3 Myths about Magnum Cartridges

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  • Опубликовано: 7 сен 2023
  • In this video I cover three well discussed topics about magnum cartridges. But do these topics have any merit? Belted Magnums, Barrel Burners and bad recoil. Are they really that bad? Let's talk about it!
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  • @jefferywilliams7687
    @jefferywilliams7687 11 месяцев назад +4

    A couple of comments:
    1. When you resize a belted magnum make sure your die is adjusted properly. The die is cut to side the belt.
    2. Barrel erosion. I have been a 264 Win Mag fan since the 1970’s. When I worked for Bill Wiseman, I re-barreled my 264 in 1983. The rifle still has the same barrel. I push it to 65k pressure with a 120 Nosler going 3,375. I did chamber it with a longer throat to take full advantage of the long action. About 2 years ago, I notice the pressures going up and velocity falling off. I took it to him and told him I thing a need a new barrel. This is after having fired over 2,600 rounds. He picked the rifle up and looked in the muzzle, and says , yep still got rifling. Pull it out of the stock and put it in the gun vise. He then gets out a 264 win Mag reamer and a t-handle and puts it up in the chamber and gently turns it by hand about 1 round. Pull it out and shoes me impacted carbon. Gently repeats. Put the rifle back together cleaned it and shot it in the rest tunnel. Velocities returned and pressures went. He explained when you look thru a bore scope at impacted carbon with cracks that you think you are looking at the steel. However, don’t forget you ad carbon to iron to make steel. He then shown me some cross section barrels where he had pulled them off rifles and put them in a milling machine to cut in section and you can see the impact. 1st sign is powder flow back over the necks. The groves are blocked and gas has no place to go but back. A lot of myths and people think they are experts until proven wrong.
    Yes I know how to clean a rifle. Benchrest shooter and barrel maker for decades. If you know how to lap a barrel and clean it afterwords…. You know how to take care of a barrel.
    In closing. Heat is your biggest enemy. The thinner the barrel the more heat will abuse it. Therefore, you have to have more frequent cooling cycles are will damage them. Light weight # 1 contours do not respond well to heat and repeating shots. Try not to shoot them more than two to three times before you cool them.

    • @ASimao71
      @ASimao71 2 месяца назад

      The die is cut to side the belt... Are you sure? And could you elaborate about the correct setting of the FL die, please? Thanks!

    • @jefferywilliams7687
      @jefferywilliams7687 2 месяца назад +1

      Yes. Put your shell holder raise you press all the way. Screw your sizer die in until hit touches your shell holder. Set locking ring. Check recapping pin for proper length.

    • @ASimao71
      @ASimao71 2 месяца назад

      @@jefferywilliams7687 Thanks 👍

  • @sukivel
    @sukivel 11 месяцев назад +2

    I have never understood the issue with the belt in regards to reloading. I have never had a problem.

  • @richardkramer1094
    @richardkramer1094 11 месяцев назад +3

    The “barrel burn” or erosion of the throat, most commonly associated with magnums, is a result of continuous firing of cartridges through an already hot barrel. I would suggest no more than 3 shots and then let the barrel cool so it is cool to the touch. This way you can extend the life of the barrel. Speaking from experience.

    • @jefferywilliams7687
      @jefferywilliams7687 2 месяца назад

      Throat erosion is mostly a myth. Most is impacted carbon. Just got back from NRA Show in our booth I have barrel and chamber cross-sections to show where the carbon builds. Freebore significantly reduces this issue.
      Great advise on 3 shoots and the cooling cycle. Especially, on # 1 and # 2 contour barrels

  • @wheelchairhillbilly
    @wheelchairhillbilly 10 месяцев назад +1

    Yes the belt is not a problem and it looks cool.
    Like you, the primer pockets get to loose for me long before any other problem arises.
    Never had any brass failure.

  • @maxkurland6413
    @maxkurland6413 11 месяцев назад +6

    On the topic of barrel life, I remember listening to a weatherby podcast on the 6.5-300 , and they asked the question “are you concerned with the tire life on a formula 1 car?”
    I think that analogy works great, and I’m looking forward to picking up my custom deluxe mark v in 6.5-300 :)

  • @sugargoldy
    @sugargoldy 11 месяцев назад

    Good lesson thank you. I was always wondering about the belt on those magnums now I know.

  • @wayne-oo
    @wayne-oo 11 месяцев назад +3

    Good discussion, I have a mark v with a break and it shoots so much nicer than 300 win or 270 !!!

  • @GeneralObeseus
    @GeneralObeseus 11 месяцев назад +3

    Please do 7mm Weatherby Magnum vs 7mm PRC

  • @JohnLOdle
    @JohnLOdle 11 месяцев назад +1

    I have had a weatherby Mark 5 300 Weatherby since 1980. I put a muzzle break on it with just mid range loads . It has the recoil of a 243. I have reloaded the cases , multiple times with no problems. I got it for long range shooting and hunting elk.

  • @Weatherby406
    @Weatherby406 11 месяцев назад +1

    I had a browning x-bolt .308 that recoiled just as hard as my 6.5-300 and my 6.5lb 30-378 with a muzzle brake. The Weatherby muzzle brake and recoil pad is excellent on the backcountry 2.0 carbon.

  • @NomadicHacker.
    @NomadicHacker. 11 месяцев назад

    Another great video!

  • @Bullets4Bucks
    @Bullets4Bucks 11 месяцев назад +1

    Barrel life doesn't just end... for hunting most rifles will still shoot accurate enough well beyond "barrel life". Most average hunters will never shoot out a barrel to where its unusable

    • @ReloadingWeatherby
      @ReloadingWeatherby  11 месяцев назад

      Very true. It's not like after 800 rounds your half MOA rifle goes to crap and shoots 3 inch groups

    • @afader6898
      @afader6898 11 месяцев назад +2

      Agreed, my first 30-06, a savage 110, I put over 20,000 rounds through it, had maybe two inches of rifling left at the end of the barrel, the rest was smooth, still shot two inch groups at 100 yards, it now wears a shilen barrel, its still a 30-06, still have the original in my safe, burned barrel doesn't mean it's still not accurate enough for hunting

    • @bustabass9025
      @bustabass9025 11 месяцев назад +2

      Indeed!
      All this talk about high velocity magnum rifles being the dreaded barrel burner, thus avoid them like the plague is laughable at best, parroted ignorance at its worse.
      Anyone making that a reason not to buy any rifles in one of the fine selection of "fast" cartridges available today, doesn't think for themselves, and certainly aren't to be taken seriously.

  • @Tokool849
    @Tokool849 10 месяцев назад

    I think you’re spot on. I go to the range if my gun is on I shoot 4 or 5 and hopefully no more than that on the hunt. I shoot my small calibers way more.

  • @jasonthomas8535
    @jasonthomas8535 11 месяцев назад

    There is a specialized die for resizing the case on belted cartridges, that eliminates the secondary sizing mark ahead of the belt.

  • @yeetyeet8365
    @yeetyeet8365 11 месяцев назад +5

    HAIL THE 375 H AND H. AND 378 WEATHERBY. 😂SEE YOU COULD BUY A 3000 rifle but you had to go to HAWAII. MARRIAGE. 😢

  • @gunman-6646
    @gunman-6646 11 месяцев назад +1

    That's awesome, my wife wants to go to Hawaii. Also the .264 win mag has a belt. I like the belt just cause it looks cool. By the way, filmed another 6.5-300 video today.

    • @ReloadingWeatherby
      @ReloadingWeatherby  11 месяцев назад +1

      I hope you like your 6.5-300! Hawaii is great! But very expensive

    • @gunman-6646
      @gunman-6646 11 месяцев назад

      @@ReloadingWeatherby love it! I heard Hawaii is extremely expensive, one reason I don't really care to go. Eventually I will though so I won't have to listen to my wife cry about it all the time. New subject, I figure you buy a gun to shoot it, I probably won't ever shoot out my barrel on that 6.5, the kids may have to put a new barrel on it after I'm gone though. Glad you're back, I missed your videos!

  • @TheAcesShow
    @TheAcesShow 11 месяцев назад +1

    I have a mark V backcountry 2 in 6.5-300 wby mag and shoot about a box a year between sighting it in and hunting. The barrel will last me a lifetime.

  • @user-yo6fz3zi3f
    @user-yo6fz3zi3f 24 дня назад

    I look at it like this. A barrel is a wear item just like tires on a car. If you buy a lambo you go into it knowing if you push it to its limits and drive it often then tires are going to be a regular purchase for you. Same for the magnums if you shoot a lot and load to full potential then a new barrel shouldn't surprise you.

  • @tylerwiltse2541
    @tylerwiltse2541 11 месяцев назад +2

    In todays world, I would say regardless of the cartridge being a barrel burner or not. Id shoot it as often as I want. The point being that just because you shoot the barrel out doesnt mean you need a new rifle, just means you need a new barrel. So id rebarrel it and keep going. When your car tires wear out, you dont get a new car, you put new tires on and keep driving. Thats my plan anyway with my 264wm anyway. Love the cartridge, and I have no intention to chamber it in anything else once the factory barrel has gone.

    • @brettstewart8765
      @brettstewart8765 11 месяцев назад +1

      I'm going to have to check out the 264WM, looking for something a bit smaller than my 300wsm, what I've heard so far is all positive cheers Yogi 👍

  • @mausermongerkoziczkowski8104
    @mausermongerkoziczkowski8104 11 месяцев назад

    The belt is useful to fire form from 375 H&H to say 8MM Rem Mag or a variety of other combinations. In this era of shortages, a belt may be a good thing.

  • @bobmcmillen4502
    @bobmcmillen4502 11 месяцев назад +1

    I have no problems reloading my 7 rem mag.

  • @ChiquitaSpeaks
    @ChiquitaSpeaks Месяц назад

    A shame weatherby has that beautiful dual radius shoulder and doesn’t even use it for shouldering 😢 (perhaps there is something I don’t know…)

  • @user-gk2ir4ml3t
    @user-gk2ir4ml3t 5 месяцев назад

    From my experience belted cartridge cases cost more money and stand up less well.
    With reasonable comparisions.
    That wouldn't stop this Cowboy, though.
    This handloader suggests that primer pockets would open up less with all the added material at the head of the case. It is a thick web when you include the belt

  • @debi5292
    @debi5292 11 месяцев назад +1

    The belt is there for extraction of the case from break open H&H double rifles that normally could only use rimmed ammunition for their extractors to catch. Much larger cartridges also used a belted case. The Finnish Lahti 20MM anti-tank rifle, and the British Boyes 55 caliber anti-tank cartridge are both belted just like the smaller H&H round.
    If you section cases, you will find the indeed the case head of a belted mag case is much thicker than a non-belted one. So many internet jockeys who did not grow up reading Gun Digest simply are uniformed about the why and the how of belted case construction. This was a topic in those books decades ago and sectioned cases proved the point. Now we have internet jockeys who have little experience trying to explain what they do not understand.
    If Roy Weatherby was not convinced of what I am saying, do you think he would have made an entire line of belted magnum cartridges?
    Oh, but the internet makes us sooo much smarter than our forefathers and all they contributed to this subject.

    • @debi5292
      @debi5292 11 месяцев назад

      It is in fact the people who are marketers who don't want you believing the belt has a reason for being who want to sell you a new rifle in a new caliber. We have been shooting belted casings for 100 years with great success. A true handloader knows how turn the sizing die out a quarter turn to not bump the shoulder back, and neck size their brass.
      This anti belt rubbish is just marketers mudding up the water. The internet is VERY limited to what only a generation who seem to think if it is not on the net, it doesn't exist.

    • @ReloadingWeatherby
      @ReloadingWeatherby  11 месяцев назад +1

      Feel better now? Roy designed his cartridges for bolt action rifles. I assume he used the H&H cases so he could easily fire form to his Weatherby cases.

    • @debi5292
      @debi5292 11 месяцев назад

      @@ReloadingWeatherby I do.😀
      Too many 300 Magnums. Makes getting ammo more difficult for the existing rifles.

    • @debi5292
      @debi5292 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@ReloadingWeatherbyRoy Weatherby chose the belted case for I believe 2 reasons. Since it can headspace off the belt, you an fireform anything you desire in the way of shape and size relative to the belt.
      The second reason is the head of the case is 25% thicker from the wall to the primer hole than the standard 30/06 family case head as well as larger in diameter.

    • @KB-ld6ql
      @KB-ld6ql Месяц назад +1

      They are working overtime to reject the 270 win, 30-06, 7mm rem and 300 win ballistics and create new cartridges and rifles. Trouble is these and more have taken more game and won more shoot's for the quiet majority for up to a hundred years.

  • @Funting3417
    @Funting3417 11 месяцев назад

    I dont pay attention when people say it's a barrel burner cause my rifles are for hunting, and it'll take years for me to destroy that barrel. By then, I'll have several new rifles

  • @bartowpd342
    @bartowpd342 11 месяцев назад

    What model is your 300 wby. It has a threaded barrel. Every weatherby vanguard synthetic I’ve scene doesn’t have threaded barrel or barrel cuts going down it

    • @ReloadingWeatherby
      @ReloadingWeatherby  11 месяцев назад

      Vanguard Synthetic.

    • @whiteyfisk9769
      @whiteyfisk9769 11 месяцев назад

      I have a Vanguard synthetic with a threaded barrel from the factory. Its a 7mag M81 woodland camo model

    • @trbackpacks
      @trbackpacks 11 месяцев назад

      Was that a factory brake or aftermarket? I’m thinking about having a gunsmith thread my barrel and the brake choices are a bit overwhelming.

    • @whiteyfisk9769
      @whiteyfisk9769 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@trbackpacks his looked like the Weatherby Accubrake, the same one came on mine but ive never used it so i cant give any feedback there. I dont use brakes on hunting rifles. Westherby sells the Accubrake separately i believe though.

    • @ReloadingWeatherby
      @ReloadingWeatherby  11 месяцев назад +1

      @@trbackpacks I bought a Bergara brake. The Weatherby one didn't fit in my rifle

  • @hantusmostert
    @hantusmostert 11 месяцев назад

    Idea: 375 Ruger makes sense. So neck that 300PRC up to .416 shooting 400grain, better twist rate, 22 inch barrel, add suppressor like SUS-TAC MAGNUM Series Suppressors, a modular suppressor which has an integral Recoil Brake added to the front of it.

    • @dansta6316
      @dansta6316 11 месяцев назад

      So pretty much a 416 ruger ?

  • @dustindias645
    @dustindias645 11 месяцев назад

    All the cartridges that have a belt its because 40 or 50 years ago there where originally formed from the 375 h&h mag that is the parent case

  • @richardmiller4657
    @richardmiller4657 11 месяцев назад +1

    Barrels are like brakes on your car. Change them when needed.

  • @richardmiller4657
    @richardmiller4657 11 месяцев назад

    I have had my .340 Weatherby and .300 Weatherby for 30 years and still out perform all of these new calibers. I get 12 reloads from my cases and there is more reloading data on these belted mags than these new cartridges.

  • @afader6898
    @afader6898 11 месяцев назад

    Worst recoiling rifle I've ever owned or shot, was a winchester 94 angle eject in 30-30, I don't own that rifle anymore, everyone that fired it, didn't like it either, it kicked harder than a friends 458 win mag, ive fired lots of various rifles and cartridges since then and feel it's more about the rifle, shape of stock, weight, fit, than what cartridge it fires, haven't fired a magnum yet that has kicked more than that 30-30 did

  • @michealsmith4465
    @michealsmith4465 11 месяцев назад

    Have a 6.5-300 weathbery in a vanguard with a ultradyne muzzle brake can shoot it all day if I want

  • @leeprimeroessler3277
    @leeprimeroessler3277 11 месяцев назад

    Thank God you had a calculator nearby!

  • @jamespmullin21753
    @jamespmullin21753 11 месяцев назад

    GrabAGun has 165 gr 300 Weatherby on sale for $45 a box not $70 a box.

  • @bustabass9025
    @bustabass9025 11 месяцев назад

    That barrel burner business is pretty much a whole lotta nuthin', as far as I'm concerned. I have many magnum caliber Weatherby and other high velocity rifles that I have collected over the past thirty years. None are anywhere near barrel burnout. If they were, I'd simply replace the barrel and shoot them another thirty years. Lemme see...by then, I'd be 102, should I burn them out too.
    I shoot all of my rifles and handguns as much as I want, and as necessary for sighting-in, and load development. I hunt at least three different state seasons a year, for deer, pronghorn, hog, and more recently elk, and Canadian black bear. I didn't buy any of them for weekly, high volume shooting use requiring thousands of rounds fired annually, as in competition or benchrest shooting. Nor did I buy any of them to see how many playing cards I can shear in half at 100 yards!
    As far as the belt is concerned, I never really understood why so many people even make an issue of it. Many of my Weatherby and other belted cases have been reloaded and shot more times than I can even count; without incident. Upon initial inspection, before brass processing (a crucial step in my thirty-plus year handloading routine) I discard any flawed cases for any reason that might render them unsafe; belted or unbelted.
    "If you can't stand the heat, stay outta the kitchen." That not only applies to preparing Thanksgiving dinner, but also to selecting any firearms, muzzleloaders, rifles, or handguns. That's all need be said about recoil.
    In summary, to each their own. Buy what YOU want...shoot what YOU want. Leave all the magnum hand wringing taboos, unfounded anxiety, and parroted naysaying, because of something they heard or read somewhere on social media, to those unable to think for themselves...or use a calculator!

  • @MangoMike316
    @MangoMike316 11 месяцев назад +1

    😎👍👍👍😎

  • @user-iy3gb7ki1i
    @user-iy3gb7ki1i 2 месяца назад

    Mostly good information, but I’ve been hand loading Weatherby & belted magnum cartridges for 30 years never had an issue, good brass like Norma or equivalent is a factor. Secondly, a belted magnum is tougher than a conventional case, hence the extra material.

  • @howhardcanitbe4270
    @howhardcanitbe4270 11 месяцев назад

    Just my [very] limited experience here: I find it a lot more tricky to reload 7.62 x 39 mm (not belted, but heavily tapered) than .338-378 WBY (belted). Whether the belt does anything useful is an entirely different question.

    • @ReloadingWeatherby
      @ReloadingWeatherby  11 месяцев назад

      I've never reloaded 7.62X39.

    • @howhardcanitbe4270
      @howhardcanitbe4270 11 месяцев назад

      @@ReloadingWeatherby I got into guns, ammo, and hunting pretty late in life, so I'm still a novice. 7.62 x 39 isn't all that hard, but the taper is so pronounced, the last 1/8" of case is hard to get into the die. Shouldn't be a big deal, but if you're a novice, it's really easy to get the cases almost - but not quite - resized.
      It took quite a while to figure out why some of the reloads worked, but most jammed. Turned out that last tiny fraction of the case wasn't quite resized on all my brass. Now I'm really careful to ensure the press cams over. It's honestly a rookie mistake, but I got hung up on it for quite a while.

  • @jamespmullin21753
    @jamespmullin21753 11 месяцев назад

    The belt is extra brass protecting you from a cartridge base blowout. Extra brass can't hurt.

  • @exothermal.sprocket
    @exothermal.sprocket 7 месяцев назад

    Did some digging. According to Wikipedia, here's what I've found:
    .375 H&H Mag --> *.244 H&H Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> 8mm Remington Mag --> *7mm Shooting Times Westerner*
    .375 H&H Mag --> *.30 Super*
    .375 H&H Mag --> *.300 H&H Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> .30 Super Improved --> *.300 Weatherby Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> .375 H&H Mag Improved --> *8mm Remington Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> .30 Super Improved --> *.340 Weatherby Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> *.350 Griffin & Howe Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> .375 H&H Mag Improved --> 8mm Remington Mag --> *.358 Shooting Times Alaskan*
    .375 H&H Mag --> .30 Super Improved --> *.375 Weatherby Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> *.40 BSA Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> *.400 H&H Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> .375 H&H Mag Improved --> 8mm Remington Mag --> *.416 Remington Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> .458 Winchester Mag --> *.458 Lott*
    .375 H&H Mag --> *.470 Capstick*
    .375 H&H Mag --> .30 Super --> *.257 Weatherby Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> *.26 BSA Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> *.264 Winchester Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> .30 Super --> *.270 Weatherby Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> *.275 H&H Mag co-developed with .375 H&H Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> .275 H&H Mag --> *7x61mm S&H*
    .375 H&H Mag --> .264 Winchester Mag --> *7mm Remington Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> .30 Super --> *7mm Weatherby Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> *.300 Winchester Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> Standard length Weatherby cases --> *.308 Norma Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> *.458 Winchester Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> .264 Winchester Mag --> 7mm Remington Mag --> .350 Remington Mag --> *6.5mm Remington Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> .264 Winchester Mag --> 7mm Remington Mag --> *.350 Remington Mag*
    .375 H&H Mag --> .458 Winchester Mag --> *.450 Marlin*

  • @whiteyfisk9769
    @whiteyfisk9769 11 месяцев назад +3

    NO!! NO!!! BELTS ARE BAD!! THEY JUST ARE OK!!???!? HORNADAYS MARKETING TEAM SAID SO!!!

    • @KB-ld6ql
      @KB-ld6ql Месяц назад

      The old Hornady marketing promises like the ballistics printed on the box. It's braindead rocket science boys and girls lol. Check with crono and see. Spend your hard earned money on proven results not advertising hype.

    • @KB-ld6ql
      @KB-ld6ql Месяц назад

      Hey where did my comment go supporting Whitey??

    • @KB-ld6ql
      @KB-ld6ql Месяц назад

      Spend your hard earned money on proven results not marketing hype.

    • @KB-ld6ql
      @KB-ld6ql Месяц назад

      Check Hornady ballistics printed on the box with crono and let us know the rocket science results.

    • @KB-ld6ql
      @KB-ld6ql Месяц назад

      7mm Rem Mag is not leaving the top of popular list anytime soon.

  • @user-gw1ok5rp5w
    @user-gw1ok5rp5w 10 месяцев назад

    Клоун