Back in 1978 I decided I wanted a Weatherby mark 5. I had to decide between a .270 Weatherby or a .300 Weatherby, because I love .270s. I chose a .300 Weatherby and have never regretted it. The back of the old 1970s ammo boxes had this printed on the bottom. "This is the most versatile cartridge in existence." They were not kidding..
@@ReloadingWeatherby exact...i own a Sauer 80 in 300 wby with smooth bolt retractable pin in Bohler Steel. (Best steel ) really great caliber. I use it for 300meters shooting in alternate with my 30/378 Mk V fiber ! After 460 , 378 and 30/378 300 wby is number four of best wby calibers.
I collect Mark V Deluxe rifles. They all shoot great and are beautiful. My favorite is the 340, but if I had to choose just one it would be the 7mm Weatherby. Amazing performance with 160 grain Nosler Partition. Just a tick slower than 28 Nosler with 70% less recoil.
I was expecting to be making all kinds of pshhht noises during this video. I actually agree with most of this list. Well thought out and well explained.
Eventhough it's yet to be released,I like the new 338.Matching the Win Mag is not a bad thing,and it has a rebated rim instead of a belt.The bigger 338s give a bigger thump on both ends,therefore making them a little harder to shoot.I wouldn't want want one in a flyweight rifle,but in a standard 8ish lb.rifle it's fine.The Win Mag has demonstrated over the years,that there is very little it won't do inside normal hunting ranges.Im not a fan of long range and ultra long range shooting at animals,so the new 338 would actually be my choice in that caliber.
Great info! IMHO I'd probably switch 1 & 2 but I'm biased towards the 257! I don't have the 300 Wby, but I do have the 30-378... it's my elk thumper! I'm really interested in the 378 Wby, doesn't seem to get much love, but it's a real cannon and underrated IMO.... anyway keep the videos coming 💪🏻 Be Blessed from Texas
My 378 has a # 3 contour and no break. It can be a challenge to zero off a bench. It generates about 78 ft lbs of recoil that comes at you fast. However, when shooting off hand and off sticks it is manageable. I have shot several 1 hole groups at 100 yards (3 shots). It’s a good round Nilgai and African animals. Just shy of 6,000 ft lbs of energy and as flat shooting as a 300 Win Mag. Shoot tough bullets.
Look hard at the 338-378 over the 378. Not near as much recoil, and hits plenty hard with the 225 Barnes. I took a New Mexico bull 6x6 at 630 yards with mine all the way across the canyon on the other side. Took almost 3 hours to get to him after dark. Was dead as could be. Love my Wby's.
Just thought Id throw my two cents in. Loved the video as always. I own about 14 Weatherbys right now in various calibers. I dont have the .416 .460 .224 .338-.378 .30-378. Id pick my .300 Weatherby and my .257 Weatherby as #1 and #2 Hope my .270 Weatherby and 7mms dont see this. Those two calibers cover everything I hunt. Id love to hunt Africa someday but realistically the cost prohibits this unless I get lucky on the lottery tonight. Damn $335 million buys a lot of hunting trips huh guys? Let Elon and Jeff fly to Mars,good luck with that gimme Africa, New Zealand,Norway and Alaska. Good stuff as always.
not 460 !!!!!! its my First wby .(same day than my 378 ) 460 is not replaceable by another round.. .its spirit of weatherby...... (perso i have not 416 wby but remington and rigby do the job)..i prefere my mark V 460 (11,5) than my 12mm doping version 475 A&M or my 500 A-S
I think the .240 popularity problem was due to it being only chambered in the mark 5 for 40 years. I know a good many folks that have them now that they offer it in the vanguard. A sporting goods store about a mile from home is a direct weatherby dealer and sells a lot of them now. I have a accuguard in stainless and it is a awesome !! It's a lighting killer very accurate and light recoil.
I have 5 Weatherby rifles in WBY cartridges and one MkV in 416RM. I am a huge fan of WBY rifles and I agree with your listing. If you want to shoot flat and hit hard WBY is the way to go. I hope to be able to collect the rest of the calibers in MKV's before they throw dirt on me. I just like to shoot them and load for them. It would be hard to pick a favorite but I really like my .378 which contrary to rumors about WBY rifles shoots sub 1" groups.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Yep it is welded on and makes a huge difference. Reduces to about what a 300 WM is with 200 grain loads. With the brake its a sub MOA rifle without it good luck.
Oh no, it was going so well till you got to the 338 rpm. Lol. I’m actually pretty excited about that cartridge. It does some pretty good numbers when paired with the 230 grain eld-x bullet. I think it’s going to be a hell of a mid long range hunting caliber. Something like 700 yards and under. The retained energy is awesome. If in a 8 lb. Rifle, the recoil should be comfortable and with the design it should be a cartridge that a rifle could probably hold 5 rounds of it. Good job on the list and I enjoyed the video.
I have used a 300 weatherby extensively and it is an amazing hunting cartridge. I currently use a 340 weatherby and I have a hard time leaving this rifle in the gun cabinet, loaded with 210gr TTSX at 3200fps it is amazing.
It makes it interesting that you bring up the subject of barrel twists. Most slow twists were made for the mid range hunting projectiles of their time. Their construction didn't necessitate faster twists. Additionally, slower twists are an enhancement to speed which was Roy Weatherby's aim aside from very good brass and very strong actions these twists achieved speed and stability for the cup and core projectiles of their time which are shorter than several of the newer ones; in particular the monolithic ones and the extra long for caliber bullets used in long distance target shooting which are recent. In Europe, twists are quite often slower than in the U.S. The primary reason is due to the general use of mid range cup and core factory off the shelf ammunition as opposed to reloaded ammunition. The more recent off the shelf ammunition match their claimed speed contrary to the older ones, making reloading unecessary if one is after a high quality, fast and efficient hunting bullets. Everything has improved including rifles' qality compared to those in years past. In the U.S. where there are proportionately many more reloaders as well as the increasing use of faster twists adapted to monolithic projectiles, copper being less dense than lead creating longer bullets, it's understandable that commercial twists have evolved in the same direction to serve these more recent requirements. This of course doesn't exclude the fact that when longer, heavy for caliber bullets were used, even as far back as a century ago by the military, twists were generally faster for these particular rifles.
Todos los calibres Weatherby Magnum son muy buenos, y todos tienen un recoil significativo, yo he disparado el 300 Weatherby y se siente muy violento el recoil..!! Y todos los calibres son excelentes para la cacería, aunque los cartuchos son muy caros..!! Excelente documental y muy buena explicación.!! Excelente vídeo..!! Saludos
I have and hunt with a .240,.257and 6.5-300wby mags. All three are very flat shooting and extremely hard hitting for caliber cartridges. Do they kill better then a lot of more modern cartridges ? Maybe not but they are definitely fun to hunt with and can reach out a fair distance if need be.
My favorites have always been the 257 and the 30-378. And I really really wish they would bring back the 224 Wby with a 26" barrel. I always wanted to make hand loads for that
Great list! I agreed on over 75%. Roy was trying to pass the 220 Swift with the .224 WM, but the performance just wasn’t there. The 22-250 is a far less expensive and better loading. The older West German Sauer Varmint masters are very collectable!
378 weatherby is King. Shoots like a 308 with a muzzle break. 10 mm was too much back then now it’s all the rage. Like Bell bottoms of the past all of these have a rich history. A lot of people have praise for it. The most beautiful cartridge ever is the 416 Rigby. He looked at me like I owed him money. Just hold one.
Would move that 6.5 Wby RPM up. I am liking what it's doing for me as I develop a load for Wyoming mule deer this fall. Drew deer and elk tags for Wyoming and a Colorado elk tag. Gonna be scrambling to fill all those tags in a two week period.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Yep, I think it occupies just the right medium between the 6.5 PRC and the 6.5-300. It's going to be great for Western deer and antelope hunts, and late Midwestern whitetail corn and bean fields.
The only thing this cartridge offers is a lighter rifle. Ballistics are identical to the 264 win mag. Looks pretty cool though. I’d love to have one in a light weight Mark V.
Agreed! The 6.5 RPM is my perfect Wyoming cartridge. Live and hunt in NW Wyoming and its awesome in the wind and high angle shots. It's plenty for a clean harvest on elk. I'd take a moose with the right bullet in the 6.5 RPM. Hope the load development goes well. Its pretty easy to get a good one with H1000.
I own both the to 1:04 p two, the 257 mag. and the 300 mag. They both have been bedded, action and trigger work and a brake on the 300. I will say they are two great rifles that will do about anything you could ask of the two respective calibers. The 257 will shoot 1/4" groups with 120 gr. Partitions. The 300 will consistently shoot 3/4" groups or a little better if I do my part again using partitions. Both of these calibers are flat shooting and hard hitting. Speed definitely kills faster and I believe more humanly. I would like to own or at least shoot the 270 Weatherby magnum and the 257-300, always thought they would do a fine job. I never had them because I have a 7mm STW and it does everything the 270 mag will do and I already have the 257 mag so I guess that's why I don't have the 257-300. Darn! I've always been a big fan of Weatherby rifles and enjoyed the reviews and opinions very much. Thanks for putting it out there.
The reason you pick the 416 weatherby over the 460 weatherby is partly because of the notorious hard recoil of the 460 and also because the 416 seem to in alot of cases penetrator better than the 460 and 458s especially when your talking about the weatherby whichis insanely fast for a 416.
I knew from the start of the video the 300 weatherby was going to be first. It is to versatile, and with enough controllable power to take most animals on the planet. The only problem i can see with it is the price of ammo and availability compared to other rifles in its class.
7mm Wby mag. It will take most game in NA cleanly. The only other cartridge you might want for NA game (brown & polar bears & AK or Yukon moose) is a 338-378 Wby mag. All big game species handled with two cartridges. Get a 223 or a 22-250 if you insist on higher velo for varmints.
@@ReloadingWeatherby I wouldn't know. I live in the Rockies. Hawkeye is my handle because of my shooting (nickname given by my peers, not self-dubbed) not my home state. I enjoy your videos and comment from time to time.
I love your choice of the 300 Wby mag as # 1 , I agree. But have killed 3 bull elk with my made in Germany Mark 5 deluxe in 270 Wby mag. When you see what happens in a neck shot at 150 yards you can't help but be impressed how hard it hits with a 150 gr nosler partition.I only bought my mk5 deluxe stainless 300 mag for a planned hunt to Alaska. My 270 was going as a backup.
As long as you place your bullets 270 WM will do. Would much rather have a 300, 340 WM though. They will handle all angles shots a lot better cuz be honest, HOW MANY GIANT ONCE IN A LIFETIME BULLS EVER GIVE YOU THE BROADSIDE POSE. One time my brother went out on a guided elk hunt back in 80 and he took his 300WM . They saw a Monster Bull across a canyon at 600 yards. The guide wanted him to try it but to his credit he said no way. That's too far and I never practised that far ,besides he would be shooting into a heavy wind. They let him go but found a big spike later that day at around 75 yards. He put 2 180 gr nosler partitions behind the shoulder and the elk barely flinched , he was gonna shoot again and the elk collapsed. He could,nt believe it and the guide replied YEAH I SEE IT ALL THE TIME, ALWAYS BRING ENOUGH GUN. He said one time a guy came out with a 25_06 rem and the guide told FORGET IT , you go get at least a 7mm mag and up or you ain't going. THE GUY REFUSED AND THE GUIDE REFUNDED HIS MONEY cuz he sat in camp for 14 days refusing to listen to a PRO.
The .224 was a curious design decision, to be sure. People expected Weatherby cartridges to be The Fastest, and the .224 didn't beat the .22-250, much less the 220 Swift. It's odd that the .220 Rocket wasn't selected, but perhaps they were concerned about barrel life. Instead, they chose less performance in brass that couldn't be formed from anything else, which didn't help matters much. The .240 is a decent round, but the .257 is a whole lot more than decent. Why buy a .240 when the .257 is so much better?
@@ReloadingWeatherby Thank you sir. I would opt for the 257 and 460, which I believe cover every hunter’s need. The 257 for varmint to small game and the mighty 460 for medium game to blue whales. It would be great to have a detailed review of the 460 by you
I think the 270 Weatherby with those 160gr Nosler Partitions is just about perfect for mainland US. I’d I didn’t already have a 300 wsm I think that’s what I’d have in a custom barrel with a 1/7 twist. It’s the best cartridge not in your top 5 ;)
I would love my next rifle to be a 6.5-300 or the 300. I’ve only had my 257 for 2 years but I’m itching for another weatherby. If I ever go on a Africa hunt I’ll probably just use it as an excuse for a new gun and go with the 460.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Commenting on the large number of 6.5s nowadays, that's all. I'm pleased with myself since I analyzed ballistics back then and chose a 264 before they caught on. Right now I'm watching the video about the 270 WM Mark V, and am smiling since my uncle owned one of those, including the Redfield on top, circa 1977.
I have a 257 WBY accumark mark v in my safe, my 100 gr soft point load chronograph’s at 3840 fps. My 75 gr v max load hits 3980. I shot several crows with this load and I’v never seen such utter vaporisation of a creatures.. Birds blown in half matter sprayed all over the tree branches, mist of red and white after hits. I have a 220swift AI and that is a spectacular killer of birds but it’s not in the same league as the 257 wby with 75 gr bullets.😳👍
I also agree with the 300 WBY as number one, simply awesome.The 257 is fun to shoot a great caliber. I will note that I don't jump up and down when I think about a 6mm.I own three 243 s and never hunted with them.I did let a friend use one and I put a drive on for him and he shot a big doe. I must say the gun performed great and the 100-grain core lockt was impressive. So I thought why not try a 240. I found some brass and loaded with Reloader 22 and had a great day at the range. Lets see how they perform on deer, it really was a fun gun to shoot. Next time in might move higher on the list, Just saying.
Since around 2002 I have been using my 240 wby. Every deer I that I shot behind the shoulder, would drop within 15 yards. I swear by it and my 22-250 for white tail.
257weatherby is a caliber I want to shoot. I was looking at 25-06 Ackley with a decent freebore so I can run those 135 Berger's.but barrel burn is a concern so I think I'm going to stick to my 270AI or convert to 280AI
@@ReloadingWeatherby thanks boss. I did find something that I want to clarify and it soon caught up with me is I ended up getting dangerous pressures by loading that hot. Not so much that I blew up the gun or myself but I did have to take it to the gunsmith and have the barrel removed to get a case extracted so I wouldn't say I'm quite getting the numbers of a 270 weatherby but I bet I can get within 50 to 100 ft per second and I was running them on a 24 inch barrel with a break not a 26 in which I believe most weathervs are measured on if I'm not mistaken
I will say although I'm not a double radius shoulder per se that the cartridges that are actually improved do tend in many scenarios to resemble the weather be voltieri shoulder
l own quasi All Wby..... FOR ME .. JUST 22/250 rem is greatest than his WBY twin with enormous margin..(price/quality).... for other seriously.. my 3 favorite weathwrbies are my 3 favorites rifles calibers....460 WEATHERBY....378 WEATHERBY......30/378 WEATHERBY. ...THIS TRIO IS JUST MAGIC....others sleeps in a one of my strongbox......
Interesting. I wish you’d explain that high velocity bullets do not have linear external ballastics. That is, it’s one thing to look at numbers and another thing to look at the hole it creates on a living target. I have had both .270 Win and .270 Weatherby Mag, and the difference ballistically speaking is not linearly related to the 300% more damage seen in the Weatherby wound. High velocity bullets tend to splatter in a way, or cause a chaotic turbulence as they pass into an animal, tearing it with more than just it’s payload/bullet. It’s almost as if it takes part of the environment with the bullet.
It is hard to displace a 22-250. Back in the day writers ruined and killed off high velocity cartridges like the 220 Swift and 264 Winchester Magnum. They all scared the public to death over throat erosion. Cleaning and cooling cycles had not been established and impacted carbon and chamber stretching was not discovered until years later. Overbore seems to be the normal now. In a hunting cartridge you have little to worry about. Varmint gun on a prairie dog town or target range changes everything.
All are out of date, and that's a big issue today. People want high BC and accuracy for long range if needed. The belts have been proven to be a waste. Weatherby needs to upgrade all of these and the twist rates.
All? Hardly. 240 Weatherby comes with a 1in7.5 twist. Smokes the 6mm Creedmoor 257 Weatherby is extremely underrated. I can shoot a 100 gr bullet at 3800 FPS 6.5 WBY RPM has a better design than the 6.5 PRC. 6.5-300 WBY is a speed demon with a fast twist. 300 WBY is extremely relevant. I'm pushing a 225 gr ELD-M at 3100 FPS 30-378 WBY is the fastest 30 caliber. Beats the 300 Weatherby by 200 FPS. 338 WBY RPM is extremely efficient and well designed. 338-378 WBY is the fastest factory 338 cartridge.
For the most part I agree with your rankings. I sometimes wonder however if you truly understand the philosophy behind some of Weatherby’s thought. You keep saying everyone wants to shoot heavy, High BC bullets and that is not true. Sure it’s a trend and it’s a horrible one at that. IMO it is promoting unethical behavior in hunting. I digress, what you also need to know is there is still a huge number of hunters that want speed. Speed equals flat shooting at normal (and ethical) hunting distances. 100Gr in the .257, 150gr in the .300, 185 GR in the .340, 127 GR in 6.5-300 are some examples of “laser” performance. I am currently working on a load to get 3550 out of a 130gr bullet in my 7mmRoy. This requires less thought while in the field. Gives you much more reach for your POI circle. Don’t have to have monster weight scopes and huge barrels and pack a shooting bench on your back to go hunting. I also believe you need to broaden your research parameters. The RPM is faster then the PRC than the 25fps that you showed. The RPM will run right close to the .264 Win Mag. One thing you got to remember with reloading manuals. The competition. Nosler always way under rates the Weatherby as that’s their main competition with the Nosler rounds. The PRC is a Hornady loading so they don’t want the RPM to outshine it. This is why us handloaders can easily outperform the manuals without even really pushing it.
I really do agree with you. It was a generalization about everyone wanting to shoot high b.c bullets. I just loaded up my 270 Win with 130 gr Partitions. I've noticed the reloading books are off with the Weatherby cartridges. My 300 is consistently 100 FPS faster than the books.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Barrel twist has nothing to do with the catridge's performance ranking. Get a barrel with an appropriate twist for the bullet weights that you want to shoot.
@@MrMooseSlayer Obviously, because the belt defines the design. With modern components belted cartridges are now considered obsolete in terms of design.
And the .30-378 is kind of an anticlimactic let down: burn nearly 50 percent more powder than the plain old .300 wby for only 210 fps benefit, at least as factory loaded.
In a modern rifle you can get a 416 Rigby up to 2600 fps with a 400 grain bullet. I have been playing with a 300 Weatherby for 40 years. Mine is a German MKV Deluxe with a 24 inch barrel. Put it in a synthetic stock. It is a little over 6 pounds. I think recoil is mild.
I think Weatherby can up their game by increasing twist rate of their gun barrels for heavier higher BC/SD bullets . An example would be a the 378 magnum loaded with a heavier than normal 300 gr. bullet. Like a 375 gr bullet . The heavier bullet will have greater SD for greater penitration and less stress on bullet construction due to lower velocity. The bullet would maintain it's velocity better especially if it is streamlined for higher BC. Roy Weatherby' believe d in high velocity and he made his line of Cartridges with large powder capacity. He made it tuff for bullet makers of the day to build bullets that would hold together. Many PHs in Africa did not care for Weatherbys as much because of it. With plain cup and core you had to go with heavier bullet weight to prevent blow ups and over expansion of bullets. A 375 grain Nosler partitions loaded in a 378 Weatherby magnum would be awesome. Maybe a 400 grain bullet.
I've met exactly one PH who was anti-Weatherby. After the first week he had completely changed his mind. Where are all these other PHs that hate Weatherby rifle/cartridges?
@@jk-kr8jt I got years on ya. Im talking about the days when Weatherby was still new and British cartridges and rifles were the mainstay of the time. Cup and core bullets designed for 375 H&H and 30-06 velocity was not up to the task at Weatherby magnum velocity on thick skin game. Roy Weatherby' is most responsible for starting the magnum crazy back in the day. I remember when the 257 and 300 Weatherby was the top of their class . Remington and Winchester was always behind Weatherby in velocity. When I was a kid Weatherby was the velocity King.
@@jaybailleaux630 hello Jay, all very valid points. Yes, Roy pretty much started the high-velocity era. Or at least he sure capitalized on it. Even keeping the belt when it was unnecessary. Roy was a marketer and showman and really build Weatherby, Inc. in that mold. You are correct sir in some respects that the bullets of the 1940s and 1950s were not up to the demands of high-velocity. In the 1980s I was often unpleased not being able to recover a perfect mushroom from game. Those bullets seemed to break the shoulder and grenade the lungs and heart. But one shot kills and little if any follow up, what was I unpleased with? In the 90s I switch to Nosler Partition bullets (actually a cup and core with a mantel in the middle), because they worked so well in my 375. Great bullets but I'm not sure game dropped as quickly as before. Some PHs, guides, gun guru's, "experts", will still drone on about bullets being to fast and slower bullets work better because they spend more time in the animal. If that's not convoluted logic I don't know what is. I would imagine that at one time plenty of hunter, in the race to gain velocity, chose light for caliber bullets. Instead of using 180s in a 300, they'd go with 120s or 150s. Pre mono-metal those wouldn't be good choices at high-velocity. Too, most then, and today, don't seem to understand external ballistics. To your point on higher BC bullets, might not be the faster muzzle velocity, but will retain it's velocity better. But I'm like a lot of hunters, set in my ways, so I'll stick with 180s in the 300, 250s in the 340, 300s in the 375, 400s in the 416 and 500s in the 458. Nothing wrong with higher BC bullets, provided they're designed and built for game not targets. So I'm convinced that Weatherby's got a bit of a bad rap in the early days based on too light of bullets, poor bullet design and bad shooting brought about by recoil, inexperience and bad marksmanship. But I don't know of a guide or PH who will not hunt with a man who carries a Weatherby. They might worry he's a man with more money than experience, but they'll still do their job. All the best to you.
@@jk-kr8jt Am a fan of high velocity. Learn what high velocity could do back in 1972. Cut my teeth on the 22-250. One of my favorite rifles today is a custom 220 swift. Roy was ahead of his time. He knew basic physics . Double the velocity you get 4 time the energy. Double the bullet weight you only get 2 times energy. Read the writings of Elmer Kieth. His view and experience of his time was inconsistency of high velocity bullets on heavy game. Spectacular kills or shallow wounds from bullet blow ups. I'm not a big game hunter but have disected many white tail deer shot with a great variety of cartridges. Don't take much to kill a fairly hit deer but can understand Elmer''s experience and point of view on cartridges and bullets on big game in his hay day.
@@jaybailleaux630 Jay, was Roy ahead of the times or did he create the time of HV ? I'm glad you brought up Keith. As a young kid I read Keith and O'Connor. Different approaches to what I considered the same "problem", putting big game on the ground. Keith, big bullets. O'Connor HV. Who was right? My young mind determined Roy was. Why not have the best of both, heavy bullets at HV ? Worked back then and it works even better today. Plus I just dig the racey lines and walnut of a Mark V rifle and it's diamond pistol grip. Glad you brought up doubling the velocity v doubling the bullet weight. As a youngster, probably 7 or 8, I used to study ballistic tables. That when I realized exactly what an increase in muzzle velocity could do. I created tables showing/demonstrating this. It was until much later that I realized I had backed my way into physics and the formula for kinetic energy. The time I could have saved if I knew K= 1/2mV². But I'd have missed the fun. So guns do have a purpose in school 🙂. Keep well and keep the barrel of that Swift nice and warm. Cheers, Jeff
Most hunters don't give a crap about your long high bc bullets for risky long range shots on live game animals. Modernized? Everyone wants to be a 2,000 yard sniper? A 257 and 300 Weatherby covers North America, a 340 and 460 covers Africa and India.
Interesting video. However I bet if you had 10 people rank them you’d get 10 different responses. Mine would be very similar to yours but I do disagree with your placement of the 7mm Weatherby. When this cartridge was introduced it would’ve been awesome. But by today’s standards it’s mediocre at best. The STW and RUM blow it out of the water and I know that it’s not quite comparing apples to apples but the 7.21 Firebird is so far ahead it’s night and day different. But you weren’t comparing things evenly when you stated it’s 200 fps faster than the 7mm Remington Magnum either. Because it most certainly is not. You are comparing basically a hotrodded hand loaded cartridge (the Weatherby) to a mundane factory loaded one (the Remington). I don’t know any serious hand loaders who can’t improve the Remington’s ballistics to easily within 50 or 100 fps of the Weatherby all things being even. The 7mm Weatherby is a very good cartridge and definitely deserves more credit but it has lagged too far behind and if Weatherby were to come up with a more competitive one it’d probably be a 7mm-378 and if it followed suit with the 30-378 vs 7.82 Warbird then it would still be behind but would at least be closer to the velocity lead.
Thanks for commenting! I was using data from the Hornady reloading book. 7mm Rem at 2900 FPS with 175 and 7mm Weatherby at 3100 FPS. Now obviously each rifle is going to shoot differently. You could have a faster shooting Rem mag and a slow shooting Weatherby. If I used factory ammo in my comparison the difference would be even bigger. Weatherby would shoot a 150gr at 3300 FPS and Rem mag would be at 3050 FPS.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Yes there can definitely be big differences between rifles. But one thing most people don’t take into account from Handloading books is that usually figure a 26 inch barrel for the Weatherby and a 24 inch barrel for the Remington again not comparing apples to apples. About 25 years ago I owned two 7mm rifles one chambered for the Weatherby and the other for the Remington. I am an avid hand loader and I could never get more than 75 ft./s more from the Weatherby. I ended up selling both of them and bought at STW which is what I consider a real 7mm!
I can tell you have been listening to Joseph von Benedikt too much. Him and now you are the only people I have EVER heard that can’t manage to pronounce “7MM” as 7 millimeter instead 7 em em.
All this modernized talk.... just because it's modern doesn't make it better. You don't need as high of a b.c bullet when you're kicking them out of the muzzle 300fps faster than the next guy.. .257wby ftw imo for hunting in north America.
With regards to the price of Weatherby Ammo, you pay for what you get. Price the Federal Premium with a 180 grain Swift Scirocco II in 300 Win Mag & it is similar in cost. I will also recommend when you look at Weatherby Cartridges use a Norma Reloading manual and Weatherby/Norma Brass. The case volume is different Also, some of the new powders have not been updated that will give extra velocity to some of the Weatherby Cartridges. Examples. RL 26. 300 Wby Mag with a 180 Partition is 3,283 with a SD of 9. This is out of a 24” barrel. 257 Wby with a 115 Partition at 3,490 out of 24” barrel. 340 with a 225 Barnes TTSX @3,135 with a 26 in barrel. I would like to give you feedback on the 7mm Weatherby. In the past 2 years I have acquired 2. One with a 24 “ barrel and one with a 26” barrel. Shooting Weatherby Factory 175 grain bullets They are just shy of 3,100 FPS! I have shot 3 shots into 3/4” groups at 250 yards out of a Factory Mark V Deluxe. It has no real advantage until it hits a 170. Then it comes to life. It holds 81.5 to 82 grains. Velocities will pass the 7mm Ultra Mag and the STW. I own 9 different Weatherby Magnum Cartridges. I think in order to rank them, it depends on what you want to hunt. Here is what I like. 1. 300 Weatherby Magnum. 2. 257 Weatherby Magnum. 3. 270 Weatherby Magnum. 4. 7mm Weatherby Magnum 5. 378 Weatherby Magnum. Flat as a 300 Win Mag. 6. 340 Weatherby Magnum. 7. 6.5X300 Weatherby Magnum. 8. 416 Weatherby Magnum. Some game laws prohibit sub 40 Cal for dangerous game 9. 240 Weatherby Magnum. Much prefer a 25-06. 460 Weatherby Magnum. Recoil is massive. Follow thru is long and recovery for 2nd shot on charging game is slow. Designed for PH in mind.
Thanks for sharing! Especially about the 7mm Weatherby. I am getting faster velocities with my 300 Weatherby. I can get 3315 FPS with a 175 gr and 3150 FPS with a 200 gr.
If I could have but 1 weatherby it would be the flat shooting 340. For elk moose and bear its ideal. I have no use for the 7mm cuz I have a 7mm.rem mag which is the weatherby,s twin and a 25/06 which is basically a magnum less 257 weatherby.
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Back in 1978 I decided I wanted a Weatherby mark 5.
I had to decide between a .270 Weatherby or a .300 Weatherby, because I love .270s.
I chose a .300 Weatherby and have never regretted it.
The back of the old 1970s ammo boxes had this printed on the bottom.
"This is the most versatile cartridge in existence."
They were not kidding..
Yep 300 Weatherby is so good!
@@ReloadingWeatherby exact...i own a Sauer 80 in 300 wby with smooth bolt retractable pin in Bohler Steel. (Best steel ) really great caliber. I use it for 300meters shooting in alternate with my 30/378 Mk V fiber ! After 460 , 378 and 30/378 300 wby is number four of best wby calibers.
I collect Mark V Deluxe rifles. They all shoot great and are beautiful. My favorite is the 340, but if I had to choose just one it would be the 7mm Weatherby. Amazing performance with 160 grain Nosler Partition. Just a tick slower than 28 Nosler with 70% less recoil.
It's a good one!
I have to agree with everything you said I too for over 40 years have collected Weatherby Mark 5 rifles.
70% less? Mathematically impossible.
@@sakostwwy1903 I hope they meant 7% less.
@@sakostwwy1903 28 Nosler has almost the same recoil as 375 H&H. Look it up. 7mm Weatherby is just a light kiss.
I was expecting to be making all kinds of pshhht noises during this video. I actually agree with most of this list. Well thought out and well explained.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Eventhough it's yet to be released,I like the new 338.Matching the Win Mag is not a bad thing,and it has a rebated rim instead of a belt.The bigger 338s give a bigger thump on both ends,therefore making them a little harder to shoot.I wouldn't want want one in a flyweight rifle,but in a standard 8ish lb.rifle it's fine.The Win Mag has demonstrated over the years,that there is very little it won't do inside normal hunting ranges.Im not a fan of long range and ultra long range shooting at animals,so the new 338 would actually be my choice in that caliber.
I pretty much agree with everything except I think the 270 Wby should have been in the top 5 as a more practical cartridge for most hunting.
I agree the 270 Weatherby is my favorite cartridge.
Great info! IMHO I'd probably switch 1 & 2 but I'm biased towards the 257! I don't have the 300 Wby, but I do have the 30-378... it's my elk thumper! I'm really interested in the 378 Wby, doesn't seem to get much love, but it's a real cannon and underrated IMO.... anyway keep the videos coming 💪🏻
Be Blessed from Texas
That's fair! Once I get my 257 Weatherby I might change its place.
It's underrated (the 378) because it's too much of a good thing however it's one of my favorites. I've had three of them.
My 378 has a # 3 contour and no break. It can be a challenge to zero off a bench. It generates about 78 ft lbs of recoil that comes at you fast. However, when shooting off hand and off sticks it is manageable. I have shot several 1 hole groups at 100 yards (3 shots). It’s a good round Nilgai and African animals. Just shy of 6,000 ft lbs of energy and as flat shooting as a 300 Win Mag. Shoot tough bullets.
Look hard at the 338-378 over the 378. Not near as much recoil, and hits plenty hard with the 225 Barnes. I took a New Mexico bull 6x6 at 630 yards with mine all the way across the canyon on the other side. Took almost 3 hours to get to him after dark. Was dead as could be. Love my Wby's.
Just thought Id throw my two cents in.
Loved the video as always.
I own about 14 Weatherbys right now in various calibers.
I dont have the .416 .460 .224 .338-.378 .30-378.
Id pick my .300 Weatherby and my .257 Weatherby as #1 and #2
Hope my .270 Weatherby and 7mms dont see this.
Those two calibers cover everything I hunt.
Id love to hunt Africa someday but realistically the cost prohibits this unless I get lucky on the lottery tonight.
Damn $335 million buys a lot of hunting trips huh guys?
Let Elon and Jeff fly to Mars,good luck with that gimme Africa, New Zealand,Norway and Alaska.
Good stuff as always.
not 460 !!!!!! its my First wby .(same day than my 378 ) 460 is not replaceable by another round..
.its spirit of weatherby...... (perso i have not 416 wby but remington and rigby do the job)..i prefere my mark V 460 (11,5) than my 12mm doping version 475 A&M or my 500 A-S
I think the .240 popularity problem was due to it being only chambered in the mark 5 for 40 years. I know a good many folks that have them now that they offer it in the vanguard. A sporting goods store about a mile from home is a direct weatherby dealer and sells a lot of them now. I have a accuguard in stainless and it is a awesome !! It's a lighting killer very accurate and light recoil.
It's a good one
Agreed. 240 Mark V Ultralight is magnificent .
240weatherby vanguard shoots great harvest game even without high Bc bullets .
My list.
1.) 257 WBY
2.) 338-378 WBY
2.) 30-378 WBY
4.) 460 WBY
5.) 378 WBY
6.) 300 WBY
7.) 270 WBY
8.) 340 WBY
9.) 240 WBY
10.) 7mm WBY
11.) 6.5-300 WBY
12.) 338 RPM
13.) 6.5 RPM
14.) 375 WBY
15.) 224 WBY
I really like the idea of 2 Weatherby Wildcats
1.) 358-378 WBY ... Would like too see 225gr & 250gr 0.358" bullets going at near light speeds lol.
2.) 500 A-Square... Basically the 378 WBY case necked too 50 cal.
I never shoot 30-378 and 338-378. Please tell me why you put 338-378 above 30-378. Is 338-378 better than 30-378?
I have 5 Weatherby rifles in WBY cartridges and one MkV in 416RM. I am a huge fan of WBY rifles and I agree with your listing. If you want to shoot flat and hit hard WBY is the way to go. I hope to be able to collect the rest of the calibers in MKV's before they throw dirt on me. I just like to shoot them and load for them. It would be hard to pick a favorite but I really like my .378 which contrary to rumors about WBY rifles shoots sub 1" groups.
Thanks for sharing! You have a brake for that 378 WBY?
@@ReloadingWeatherby Yep it is welded on and makes a huge difference. Reduces to about what a 300 WM is with 200 grain loads. With the brake its a sub MOA rifle without it good luck.
Oh no, it was going so well till you got to the 338 rpm. Lol. I’m actually pretty excited about that cartridge. It does some pretty good numbers when paired with the 230 grain eld-x bullet. I think it’s going to be a hell of a mid long range hunting caliber. Something like 700 yards and under. The retained energy is awesome. If in a 8 lb. Rifle, the recoil should be comfortable and with the design it should be a cartridge that a rifle could probably hold 5 rounds of it. Good job on the list and I enjoyed the video.
Thanks for watching and commenting
I have used a 300 weatherby extensively and it is an amazing hunting cartridge. I currently use a 340 weatherby and I have a hard time leaving this rifle in the gun cabinet, loaded with 210gr TTSX at 3200fps it is amazing.
Very nice
I just bought a Mark V Deluxe in 340 WBY.
I hunt with a guy that uses the 257WBY exclusively for elk. I’ve seen more one shot drops with that. Than any other caliber.
I just bought a 257 Weatherby, and can't wait to use it for hunting!
That’s one cartridge I definitely want. I’d like to find one made in Germany.
Great video 👍👍
Thank you!
How is the .257 not logical when it’s the best whitetail rifle on the planet?
It’s just his opinion, and there like armpits everyone has them and they all stink, so don’t stress about the small stuff
If I had to guess I would say it’s because the .25 isn’t very ballistically sound compared to others.
@@mitchc3569 have you seen the new offerings?
just love my 300 have it 43years 3 barrelchanges later still perform perfect
I have a friend who had a 300 weatherby.
He had taken a lot of black bears and moose. He called it a Killing Machine!
That was not fun to shoot. Lol
It makes it interesting that you bring up the subject of barrel twists. Most slow twists were made for the mid range hunting projectiles of their time. Their construction didn't necessitate faster twists. Additionally, slower twists are an enhancement to speed which was Roy Weatherby's aim aside from very good brass and very strong actions these twists achieved speed and stability for the cup and core projectiles of their time which are shorter than several of the newer ones; in particular the monolithic ones and the extra long for caliber bullets used in long distance target shooting which are recent. In Europe, twists are quite often slower than in the U.S. The primary reason is due to the general use of mid range cup and core factory off the shelf ammunition as opposed to reloaded ammunition. The more recent off the shelf ammunition match their claimed speed contrary to the older ones, making reloading unecessary if one is after a high quality, fast and efficient hunting bullets. Everything has improved including rifles' qality compared to those in years past. In the U.S. where there are proportionately many more reloaders as well as the increasing use of faster twists adapted to monolithic projectiles, copper being less dense than lead creating longer bullets, it's understandable that commercial twists have evolved in the same direction to serve these more recent requirements. This of course doesn't exclude the fact that when longer, heavy for caliber bullets were used, even as far back as a century ago by the military, twists were generally faster for these particular rifles.
Thanks for sharing
How is the barrel life on the 7mm wby? I’m a big 7mm rem mag fan and that 7mm wby has my eye as possibly being my next rifle.
Pretty good for a magnum. You should get it!
I like the 300, but man it’s brutal to shot repeatedly, to me. I’ll stick to my .270 WMag, but maybe get a 300 if I ever go for brownies.
Just get a muzzle brake.
Toughen up Nancy
Thanks, that was a thoughtful video.
Thanks for watching
340, 240, 257, 300, 6.5-300, those would be my top 5, an updated 240 with faster twist barrels shooting 105-115grs would be pretty awesome.
Weatherby has now updated the 240... it comes with a 1in7.5 twist
@@ReloadingWeatherby I wonder what it could push a 105? and bigger? 115?
outstanding info
Thank you
Todos los calibres Weatherby Magnum son muy buenos, y todos tienen un recoil significativo, yo he disparado el 300 Weatherby y se siente muy violento el recoil..!! Y todos los calibres son excelentes para la cacería, aunque los cartuchos son muy caros..!! Excelente documental y muy buena explicación.!! Excelente vídeo..!! Saludos
I have and hunt with a .240,.257and 6.5-300wby mags. All three are very flat shooting and extremely hard hitting for caliber cartridges. Do they kill better then a lot of more modern cartridges ? Maybe not but they are definitely fun to hunt with and can reach out a fair distance if need be.
Nice! I just bought a 257 Weatherby
My favorites have always been the 257 and the 30-378. And I really really wish they would bring back the 224 Wby with a 26" barrel. I always wanted to make hand loads for that
Nice job
Thanks!
Great list! I agreed on over 75%. Roy was trying to pass the 220 Swift with the .224 WM, but the performance just wasn’t there. The 22-250 is a far less expensive and better loading. The older West German Sauer Varmint masters are very collectable!
Thanks for commenting!
A cool as hell cartridge no less.
I also collect mark v and earlier "Roy " guns. Let my throw out a fun roy gun, the 220 rocket.
Yep spot on, good video. 👍
Thanks!
378 weatherby is King. Shoots like a 308 with a muzzle break. 10 mm was too much back then now it’s all the rage. Like Bell bottoms of the past all of these have a rich history. A lot of people have praise for it. The most beautiful cartridge ever is the 416 Rigby. He looked at me like I owed him money. Just hold one.
338RPM will be a very nice thing. 338 WIn Mag in a 06 bolt face. The 6.5 RPM
should be necked down to 6mm to replace the 240.
Would move that 6.5 Wby RPM up. I am liking what it's doing for me as I develop a load for Wyoming mule deer this fall. Drew deer and elk tags for Wyoming and a Colorado elk tag. Gonna be scrambling to fill all those tags in a two week period.
I knew you would want it higher.
@@ReloadingWeatherby
Yep, I think it occupies just the right medium between the 6.5 PRC and the
6.5-300. It's going to be great for Western deer and antelope hunts, and late Midwestern whitetail corn and bean fields.
The only thing this cartridge offers is a lighter rifle. Ballistics are identical to the 264 win mag. Looks pretty cool though. I’d love to have one in a light weight Mark V.
Agreed! The 6.5 RPM is my perfect Wyoming cartridge. Live and hunt in NW Wyoming and its awesome in the wind and high angle shots. It's plenty for a clean harvest on elk. I'd take a moose with the right bullet in the 6.5 RPM. Hope the load development goes well. Its pretty easy to get a good one with H1000.
@@tylerdooley4783
Well, there you go. I'm with you Ty! 👍🏿
I own both the to 1:04 p two, the 257 mag. and the 300 mag. They both have been bedded, action and trigger work and a brake on the 300.
I will say they are two great rifles that will do about anything you could ask of the two respective calibers. The 257 will shoot 1/4" groups with 120 gr. Partitions. The 300 will consistently shoot 3/4" groups or a little better if I do my part again using partitions. Both of these calibers are flat shooting and hard hitting. Speed definitely kills faster and I believe more humanly.
I would like to own or at least shoot the 270 Weatherby magnum and the 257-300, always thought they would do a fine job. I never had them because I have a 7mm STW and it does everything the 270 mag will do and I already have the 257 mag so I guess that's why I don't have the 257-300. Darn!
I've always been a big fan of Weatherby rifles and enjoyed the reviews and opinions very much. Thanks for putting it out there.
The reason you pick the 416 weatherby over the 460 weatherby is partly because of the notorious hard recoil of the 460 and also because the 416 seem to in alot of cases penetrator better than the 460 and 458s especially when your talking about the weatherby whichis insanely fast for a 416.
.257 for the win I think... made the top 8 at least... hopefully other people Revere the cartridge the way I do
I knew from the start of the video the 300 weatherby was going to be first. It is to versatile, and with enough controllable power to take most animals on the planet. The only problem i can see with it is the price of ammo and availability compared to other rifles in its class.
Ammo is expensive, but so is the 300 RUM and 30 Nosler. If you can find Norma ammo it is relatively cheap, and good. I see it for around $50.
That's why I reload.
7mm Wby mag. It will take most game in NA cleanly. The only other cartridge you might want for NA game (brown & polar bears & AK or Yukon moose) is a 338-378 Wby mag. All big game species handled with two cartridges. Get a 223 or a 22-250 if you insist on higher velo for varmints.
Thanks for commenting. Iowa going to be good this year?
@@ReloadingWeatherby I wouldn't know. I live in the Rockies. Hawkeye is my handle because of my shooting (nickname given by my peers, not self-dubbed) not my home state. I enjoy your videos and comment from time to time.
Agreed. 7mm Weatherby and 378 Weatherby for me.
I think you nailed the top 5
Thanks
I love your choice of the 300 Wby mag as # 1 , I agree. But have killed 3 bull elk with my made in Germany Mark 5 deluxe in 270 Wby mag. When you see what happens in a neck shot at 150 yards you can't help but be impressed how hard it hits with a 150 gr nosler partition.I only bought my mk5 deluxe stainless 300 mag for a planned hunt to Alaska. My 270 was going as a backup.
I'm going to go to Alaska next year... going to take my 300 Weatherby as well
As long as you place your bullets 270 WM will do. Would much rather have a 300, 340 WM though. They will handle all angles shots a lot better cuz be honest, HOW MANY GIANT ONCE IN A LIFETIME BULLS EVER GIVE YOU THE BROADSIDE POSE. One time my brother went out on a guided elk hunt back in 80 and he took his 300WM . They saw a Monster Bull across a canyon at 600 yards. The guide wanted him to try it but to his credit he said no way. That's too far and I never practised that far ,besides he would be shooting into a heavy wind. They let him go but found a big spike later that day at around 75 yards. He put 2 180 gr nosler partitions behind the shoulder and the elk barely flinched , he was gonna shoot again and the elk collapsed. He could,nt believe it and the guide replied YEAH I SEE IT ALL THE TIME, ALWAYS BRING ENOUGH GUN. He said one time a guy came out with a 25_06 rem and the guide told FORGET IT , you go get at least a 7mm mag and up or you ain't going. THE GUY REFUSED AND THE GUIDE REFUNDED HIS MONEY cuz he sat in camp for 14 days refusing to listen to a PRO.
@@twolak1972Roy Weatherby said it and proved it "velocity kills"
@@davidsignor7931 To a point. All the speed in the world with a INFERIOR bullet is useless.
@@twolak1972exactly why I stopped hunting with Hornady billets.
.257WBY is probably one of the top 5 whitetail cartridges there is. Doesn’t recoil bad at all and straight takes the lights out on em
Looking forward to getting a 257 Weatherby
The .224 was a curious design decision, to be sure. People expected Weatherby cartridges to be The Fastest, and the .224 didn't beat the .22-250, much less the 220 Swift. It's odd that the .220 Rocket wasn't selected, but perhaps they were concerned about barrel life. Instead, they chose less performance in brass that couldn't be formed from anything else, which didn't help matters much.
The .240 is a decent round, but the .257 is a whole lot more than decent. Why buy a .240 when the .257 is so much better?
Inadequate twist rate is the rifle makers fault! Weatherby, get with the program and modernize!
What all you need to start handloading ? I like alot of the weatherby cartridges and the 27 nosler but factory ammo is way to much.
A good amount of stuff. But I can reload my 300 Weatherby for around $2.20 a bullet. Factory ammo is around $5.40
The 300was the best of the lot I have seen it used with 220frain solids on hippo it worked well I've used it for 900yd shot on Kansas whitetails
I understand why you put the .224 last, but I still always wanted one in a Mark V Deluxe or an Accumark
i guessed right for the top 3 . prediction next 257 rpm my new dream
Great video sir. Would love to know the purpose of the .338 378 Wby Mag. What game is it used for ? Or is it a sniper round? Thank you
Definitely would be great as a long distance target shooter. But it's mostly used for hunting. I would say it's a great Alaskan cartridge
@@ReloadingWeatherby Thank you sir.
I would opt for the 257 and 460, which I believe cover every hunter’s need. The 257 for varmint to small game and the mighty 460 for medium game to blue whales.
It would be great to have a detailed review of the 460 by you
@@cliffordgomes4397 I will have to do it
@@ReloadingWeatherby Please sir. I'll stay tuned.
It’s an improved version of Elmer Keith’s 338X378. It was his favorite elk cartridge.
I think the 270 Weatherby with those 160gr Nosler Partitions is just about perfect for mainland US. I’d I didn’t already have a 300 wsm I think that’s what I’d have in a custom barrel with a 1/7 twist. It’s the best cartridge not in your top 5 ;)
Thanks for commenting Wesley
You forgot the 220 Weatherby Rocket. No production ammo, but did have rifles chambered for it.
I would love my next rifle to be a 6.5-300 or the 300. I’ve only had my 257 for 2 years but I’m itching for another weatherby. If I ever go on a Africa hunt I’ll probably just use it as an excuse for a new gun and go with the 460.
Can't go wrong with either one. I love the 300 Weatherby for the versatility.
I was a 264/6.5 fan back in the last century before they became popular. Never did I think I'd hear the words at 7:30
What did I say that surprised you?
@@ReloadingWeatherby Commenting on the large number of 6.5s nowadays, that's all. I'm pleased with myself since I analyzed ballistics back then and chose a 264 before they caught on. Right now I'm watching the video about the 270 WM Mark V, and am smiling since my uncle owned one of those, including the Redfield on top, circa 1977.
I have a 257 WBY accumark mark v in my safe, my 100 gr soft point load chronograph’s at 3840 fps.
My 75 gr v max load hits 3980.
I shot several crows with this load and I’v never seen such utter vaporisation of a creatures..
Birds blown in half matter sprayed all over the tree branches, mist of red and white after hits. I have a 220swift AI
and that is a spectacular killer of birds but it’s not in the same league as the 257 wby with 75 gr bullets.😳👍
I just bought a 257 Weatherby. Can't wait to shoot it.
I also agree with the 300 WBY as number one, simply awesome.The 257 is fun to shoot a great caliber. I will note that I don't jump up and down when I think about a 6mm.I own three 243 s and never hunted with them.I did let a friend use one and I put a drive on for him and he shot a big doe. I must say the gun performed great and the 100-grain core lockt was impressive. So I thought why not try a 240. I found some brass and loaded with Reloader 22 and had a great day at the range. Lets see how they perform on deer, it really was a fun gun to shoot. Next time in might move higher on the list, Just saying.
I bet the 240 Weatherby is awesome!
Since around 2002 I have been using my 240 wby. Every deer I that I shot behind the shoulder, would drop within 15 yards. I swear by it and my 22-250 for white tail.
Well I was considering a 257 Wea mag but know I’m leaning toward a 6.5-300.
Good job.
Thanks for watching!
They headspace from the belt. I assure you it's needed.
GREAT REASONING, I AGREE BASED ON MANY, MANY, DID I SAY MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE FROM MYSELF AND EXPERIENCED OTHER HUNTERS.
Thanks for commenting!
257weatherby is a caliber I want to shoot. I was looking at 25-06 Ackley with a decent freebore so I can run those 135 Berger's.but barrel burn is a concern so I think I'm going to stick to my 270AI or convert to 280AI
I saw your video on the 270AI... impressive numbers. Basically 270 Weatherby numbers
@@ReloadingWeatherby thanks boss. I did find something that I want to clarify and it soon caught up with me is I ended up getting dangerous pressures by loading that hot. Not so much that I blew up the gun or myself but I did have to take it to the gunsmith and have the barrel removed to get a case extracted so I wouldn't say I'm quite getting the numbers of a 270 weatherby but I bet I can get within 50 to 100 ft per second and I was running them on a 24 inch barrel with a break not a 26 in which I believe most weathervs are measured on if I'm not mistaken
I will say although I'm not a double radius shoulder per se that the cartridges that are actually improved do tend in many scenarios to resemble the weather be voltieri shoulder
Need update this video and rank them again while efficiency in consideration. Look up the killing power vs recoil ratings.
l own quasi All Wby..... FOR ME .. JUST 22/250 rem is greatest than his WBY twin with enormous margin..(price/quality)....
for other seriously.. my 3 favorite weathwrbies are my 3 favorites rifles calibers....460 WEATHERBY....378 WEATHERBY......30/378 WEATHERBY.
...THIS TRIO IS JUST MAGIC....others sleeps in a one of my strongbox......
Interesting. I wish you’d explain that high velocity bullets do not have linear external ballastics. That is, it’s one thing to look at numbers and another thing to look at the hole it creates on a living target. I have had both .270 Win and .270 Weatherby Mag, and the difference ballistically speaking is not linearly related to the 300% more damage seen in the Weatherby wound. High velocity bullets tend to splatter in a way, or cause a chaotic turbulence as they pass into an animal, tearing it with more than just it’s payload/bullet. It’s almost as if it takes part of the environment with the bullet.
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If I had to pick three WB cartridges they would be 300 WB, 7MM WB and a 6.5 WB. One could obviously cover a lot of ground with these.
Good picks
I knew you would rank the 300 top lol
I don't think it's even my favorite Weatherby cartridge. I just think it's the all around best one.
What about the little 220 rocket?
Is that a wildcat Weatherby cartridge? Weatherby officially only has 16 cartridges
@@ReloadingWeatherby 😜😜 Your the Weatherby man! 😜😝😜😝💪🏼🤟🏽💪🏼 You tell me!! 😜🤘🏼👍🏼🇺🇸♥️🙏♥️
@@cw2a 😔😔 It was Roy's first cartridge.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Now ya are learnin' !! ♥️🙏♥️🙏♥️
It is hard to displace a 22-250. Back in the day writers ruined and killed off high velocity cartridges like the 220 Swift and 264 Winchester Magnum. They all scared the public to death over throat erosion. Cleaning and cooling cycles had not been established and impacted carbon and chamber stretching was not discovered until years later. Overbore seems to be the normal now. In a hunting cartridge you have little to worry about. Varmint gun on a prairie dog town or target range changes everything.
The 240 weatherby comes in a 7.5 inch twist in the new weatherby 307 action!
Really? That's a radical change
All are out of date, and that's a big issue today.
People want high BC and accuracy for long range if needed.
The belts have been proven to be a waste. Weatherby needs to upgrade all of these and the twist rates.
All? Hardly.
240 Weatherby comes with a 1in7.5 twist. Smokes the 6mm Creedmoor
257 Weatherby is extremely underrated. I can shoot a 100 gr bullet at 3800 FPS
6.5 WBY RPM has a better design than the 6.5 PRC.
6.5-300 WBY is a speed demon with a fast twist.
300 WBY is extremely relevant. I'm pushing a 225 gr ELD-M at 3100 FPS
30-378 WBY is the fastest 30 caliber. Beats the 300 Weatherby by 200 FPS.
338 WBY RPM is extremely efficient and well designed.
338-378 WBY is the fastest factory 338 cartridge.
For the most part I agree with your rankings. I sometimes wonder however if you truly understand the philosophy behind some of Weatherby’s thought. You keep saying everyone wants to shoot heavy, High BC bullets and that is not true. Sure it’s a trend and it’s a horrible one at that. IMO it is promoting unethical behavior in hunting. I digress, what you also need to know is there is still a huge number of hunters that want speed. Speed equals flat shooting at normal (and ethical) hunting distances. 100Gr in the .257, 150gr in the .300, 185 GR in the .340, 127 GR in 6.5-300 are some examples of “laser” performance. I am currently working on a load to get 3550 out of a 130gr bullet in my 7mmRoy. This requires less thought while in the field. Gives you much more reach for your POI circle. Don’t have to have monster weight scopes and huge barrels and pack a shooting bench on your back to go hunting. I also believe you need to broaden your research parameters. The RPM is faster then the PRC than the 25fps that you showed. The RPM will run right close to the .264 Win Mag. One thing you got to remember with reloading manuals. The competition. Nosler always way under rates the Weatherby as that’s their main competition with the Nosler rounds. The PRC is a Hornady loading so they don’t want the RPM to outshine it. This is why us handloaders can easily outperform the manuals without even really pushing it.
I really do agree with you. It was a generalization about everyone wanting to shoot high b.c bullets. I just loaded up my 270 Win with 130 gr Partitions. I've noticed the reloading books are off with the Weatherby cartridges. My 300 is consistently 100 FPS faster than the books.
@@ReloadingWeatherby don’t get me wrong though bud, great video.
Can't fire 375H&H in a 378 Weatherby but in a 375 Weatherby, it can be fired and, fire formed.
love my 6.5x300
Fast twist a 240 Weatherby barrel and high b.c bullet problem solved.
What does barrel twist have to do with the ranking?
I warned you it was just my personal opinion. I would like to see Weatherby modernize this cartridge
@@ReloadingWeatherby Barrel twist has nothing to do with the catridge's performance ranking.
Get a barrel with an appropriate twist for the bullet weights that you want to shoot.
@@jimklemens5018 Well... it does for me. By the way Weatherby now has a few rifles with a 1in9 twist with the 7mm Weatherby now.
This is a very good video about the Weatherbys; I predicted, and would have ranked them, the same way.
Thanks for watching!
How are folks liking the 6.5-300?
Don't have one, but it seems people really like it.
340 Weatherby is definitely under estimated. .. it would be nice to get a heavy varmint barrel...
I love the 340 Weatherby
Damn the .257 was so close
The 224 needs the belt because that’s what it headspaces from :)
I don't think that's what he meant.
@@MalachiWhite-tw7hl You're leaving me in suspense... Please explain
He meant that in cartridge design the belt is not necessary.
@@MalachiWhite-tw7hl I suppose in general it isn't with the advent of rimless cartridges. However, for belted cartidges the belt has to be there.
@@MrMooseSlayer Obviously, because the belt defines the design. With modern components belted cartridges are now considered obsolete in terms of design.
Yeah there’s nothing more all around capable at all distances on as many different game species as a fast 30 cal.
And the .30-378 is kind of an anticlimactic let down: burn nearly 50 percent more powder than the plain old .300 wby for only 210 fps benefit, at least as factory loaded.
6.5 rpm should've been around #6 or 7
The 416 Weatherby is too much of a good thing brutal recoil I would rather step up to the 460 if I'm taking that much punishment
In a modern rifle you can get a 416 Rigby up to 2600 fps with a 400 grain bullet. I have been playing with a 300 Weatherby for 40 years. Mine is a German MKV Deluxe with a 24 inch barrel. Put it in a synthetic stock. It is a little over 6 pounds. I think recoil is mild.
There’s no “worse”. All are impressive.
Thanks for watching
They were all winners, there just isn’t enough smart, rich people to buy them .
The Lazzaroni cartridge line are pretty fast.
Yes they are
@@ReloadingWeatherby I have a 7.82 warbird and a 338 Titan. Both customs
Faster than Weatherbys.
@@MalachiWhite-tw7hl and more accurate
@@vernonlarson7016 Are they?
30-378 is a fool's cartridge that gets a little bit more velocity than the 300 but ammo costs twice as much.Only a fool buys such a bad deal.
I prefer the 300 for sure
cartridges don,t have twist rates the barrel
Well duh... The problem is the rifles and barrels that are chambered in 7mm Weatherby have a 1in10 twist
I think Weatherby can up their game by increasing twist rate of their gun barrels for heavier higher BC/SD bullets . An example would be a the 378 magnum loaded with a heavier than normal 300 gr. bullet. Like a 375 gr bullet . The heavier bullet will have greater SD for greater penitration and less stress on bullet construction due to lower velocity. The bullet would maintain it's velocity better especially if it is streamlined for higher BC.
Roy Weatherby' believe d in high velocity and he made his line of Cartridges with large powder capacity. He made it tuff for bullet makers of the day to build bullets that would hold together. Many PHs in Africa did not care for Weatherbys as much because of it. With plain cup and core you had to go with heavier bullet weight to prevent blow ups and over expansion of bullets. A 375 grain Nosler partitions loaded in a 378 Weatherby magnum would be awesome. Maybe a 400 grain bullet.
I've met exactly one PH who was anti-Weatherby. After the first week he had completely changed his mind. Where are all these other PHs that hate Weatherby rifle/cartridges?
@@jk-kr8jt I got years on ya. Im talking about the days when Weatherby was still new and British cartridges and rifles were the mainstay of the time. Cup and core bullets designed for 375 H&H and 30-06 velocity was not up to the task at Weatherby magnum velocity on thick skin game. Roy Weatherby' is most responsible for starting the magnum crazy back in the day. I remember when the 257 and 300 Weatherby was the top of their class . Remington and Winchester was always behind Weatherby in velocity. When I was a kid Weatherby was the velocity King.
@@jaybailleaux630 hello Jay, all very valid points. Yes, Roy pretty much started the high-velocity era. Or at least he sure capitalized on it. Even keeping the belt when it was unnecessary. Roy was a marketer and showman and really build Weatherby, Inc. in that mold.
You are correct sir in some respects that the bullets of the 1940s and 1950s were not up to the demands of high-velocity. In the 1980s I was often unpleased not being able to recover a perfect mushroom from game. Those bullets seemed to break the shoulder and grenade the lungs and heart. But one shot kills and little if any follow up, what was I unpleased with? In the 90s I switch to Nosler Partition bullets (actually a cup and core with a mantel in the middle), because they worked so well in my 375. Great bullets but I'm not sure game dropped as quickly as before.
Some PHs, guides, gun guru's, "experts", will still drone on about bullets being to fast and slower bullets work better because they spend more time in the animal. If that's not convoluted logic I don't know what is. I would imagine that at one time plenty of hunter, in the race to gain velocity, chose light for caliber bullets. Instead of using 180s in a 300, they'd go with 120s or 150s. Pre mono-metal those wouldn't be good choices at high-velocity. Too, most then, and today, don't seem to understand external ballistics. To your point on higher BC bullets, might not be the faster muzzle velocity, but will retain it's velocity better. But I'm like a lot of hunters, set in my ways, so I'll stick with 180s in the 300, 250s in the 340, 300s in the 375, 400s in the 416 and 500s in the 458. Nothing wrong with higher BC bullets, provided they're designed and built for game not targets.
So I'm convinced that Weatherby's got a bit of a bad rap in the early days based on too light of bullets, poor bullet design and bad shooting brought about by recoil, inexperience and bad marksmanship. But I don't know of a guide or PH who will not hunt with a man who carries a Weatherby. They might worry he's a man with more money than experience, but they'll still do their job. All the best to you.
@@jk-kr8jt Am a fan of high velocity. Learn what high velocity could do back in 1972. Cut my teeth on the 22-250. One of my favorite rifles today is a custom 220 swift. Roy was ahead of his time. He knew basic physics . Double the velocity you get 4 time the energy. Double the bullet weight you only get 2 times energy.
Read the writings of Elmer Kieth. His view and experience of his time was inconsistency of high velocity bullets on heavy game. Spectacular kills or shallow wounds from bullet blow ups. I'm not a big game hunter but have disected many white tail deer shot with a great variety of cartridges. Don't take much to kill a fairly hit deer but can understand Elmer''s experience and point of view on cartridges and bullets on big game in his hay day.
@@jaybailleaux630 Jay, was Roy ahead of the times or did he create the time of HV ?
I'm glad you brought up Keith. As a young kid I read Keith and O'Connor. Different approaches to what I considered the same "problem", putting big game on the ground. Keith, big bullets. O'Connor HV. Who was right? My young mind determined Roy was. Why not have the best of both, heavy bullets at HV ? Worked back then and it works even better today. Plus I just dig the racey lines and walnut of a Mark V rifle and it's diamond pistol grip.
Glad you brought up doubling the velocity v doubling the bullet weight. As a youngster, probably 7 or 8, I used to study ballistic tables. That when I realized exactly what an increase in muzzle velocity could do. I created tables showing/demonstrating this. It was until much later that I realized I had backed my way into physics and the formula for kinetic energy. The time I could have saved if I knew K= 1/2mV². But I'd have missed the fun. So guns do have a purpose in school 🙂.
Keep well and keep the barrel of that Swift nice and warm.
Cheers, Jeff
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Most hunters don't give a crap about your long high bc bullets for risky long range shots on live game animals. Modernized? Everyone wants to be a 2,000 yard sniper? A 257 and 300 Weatherby covers North America, a 340 and 460 covers Africa and India.
I don't care about high b.c. target like bullets. I hunt with the Accubond bullet and the Partition.
Interesting video. However I bet if you had 10 people rank them you’d get 10 different responses. Mine would be very similar to yours but I do disagree with your placement of the 7mm Weatherby. When this cartridge was introduced it would’ve been awesome. But by today’s standards it’s mediocre at best. The STW and RUM blow it out of the water and I know that it’s not quite comparing apples to apples but the 7.21 Firebird is so far ahead it’s night and day different. But you weren’t comparing things evenly when you stated it’s 200 fps faster than the 7mm Remington Magnum either. Because it most certainly is not. You are comparing basically a hotrodded hand loaded cartridge (the Weatherby) to a mundane factory loaded one (the Remington). I don’t know any serious hand loaders who can’t improve the Remington’s ballistics to easily within 50 or 100 fps of the Weatherby all things being even. The 7mm Weatherby is a very good cartridge and definitely deserves more credit but it has lagged too far behind and if Weatherby were to come up with a more competitive one it’d probably be a 7mm-378 and if it followed suit with the 30-378 vs 7.82 Warbird then it would still be behind but would at least be closer to the velocity lead.
Thanks for commenting! I was using data from the Hornady reloading book. 7mm Rem at 2900 FPS with 175 and 7mm Weatherby at 3100 FPS. Now obviously each rifle is going to shoot differently. You could have a faster shooting Rem mag and a slow shooting Weatherby. If I used factory ammo in my comparison the difference would be even bigger. Weatherby would shoot a 150gr at 3300 FPS and Rem mag would be at 3050 FPS.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Yes there can definitely be big differences between rifles. But one thing most people don’t take into account from Handloading books is that usually figure a 26 inch barrel for the Weatherby and a 24 inch barrel for the Remington again not comparing apples to apples. About 25 years ago I owned two 7mm rifles one chambered for the Weatherby and the other for the Remington. I am an avid hand loader and I could never get more than 75 ft./s more from the Weatherby. I ended up selling both of them and bought at STW which is what I consider a real 7mm!
I can tell you have been listening to Joseph von Benedikt too much. Him and now you are the only people I have EVER heard that can’t manage to pronounce “7MM” as 7 millimeter instead 7 em em.
Odd complaint.... I say millimeter all the time. Just watch the first 15 seconds of this ruclips.net/video/9hLY5bOCx9Y/видео.html
I own every caliber in Weatherby how many do you own you are wrong
How am I wrong when the video is solely based on opinion? I'm curious since you own all of the Weatherby cartridges... how would you rank them?
Are the figure's wrong?
All this modernized talk.... just because it's modern doesn't make it better. You don't need as high of a b.c bullet when you're kicking them out of the muzzle 300fps faster than the next guy.. .257wby ftw imo for hunting in north America.
I'm getting my 257 Weatherby soon
@@ReloadingWeatherby sweet. You'll love it.
With regards to the price of Weatherby Ammo, you pay for what you get. Price the Federal Premium with a 180 grain Swift Scirocco II in 300 Win Mag & it is similar in cost.
I will also recommend when you look at Weatherby Cartridges use a Norma
Reloading manual and Weatherby/Norma Brass. The case volume is different Also, some of the new powders have not been updated that will give extra velocity to some of the Weatherby Cartridges. Examples. RL 26. 300 Wby Mag with a 180 Partition is 3,283 with a SD of 9. This is out of a 24” barrel. 257 Wby with a 115 Partition at 3,490 out of 24” barrel. 340 with a 225 Barnes TTSX @3,135 with a 26 in barrel.
I would like to give you feedback on the 7mm Weatherby. In the past 2 years I have acquired 2. One with a 24 “ barrel and one with a 26” barrel. Shooting Weatherby Factory 175 grain bullets They are just shy of 3,100 FPS! I have shot 3 shots into 3/4” groups at 250 yards out of a Factory Mark V Deluxe. It has no real advantage until it hits a 170. Then it comes to life. It holds 81.5 to 82 grains. Velocities will pass the 7mm Ultra Mag and the STW.
I own 9 different Weatherby Magnum Cartridges. I think in order to rank them, it depends on what you want to hunt. Here is what I like.
1. 300 Weatherby Magnum.
2. 257 Weatherby Magnum.
3. 270 Weatherby Magnum.
4. 7mm Weatherby Magnum
5. 378 Weatherby Magnum. Flat as a 300 Win Mag.
6. 340 Weatherby Magnum.
7. 6.5X300 Weatherby Magnum.
8. 416 Weatherby Magnum. Some game laws prohibit sub 40 Cal for dangerous game
9. 240 Weatherby Magnum. Much prefer a 25-06.
460 Weatherby Magnum. Recoil is massive. Follow thru is long and recovery for 2nd shot on charging game is slow. Designed for PH in mind.
Thanks for sharing! Especially about the 7mm Weatherby. I am getting faster velocities with my 300 Weatherby. I can get 3315 FPS with a 175 gr and 3150 FPS with a 200 gr.
What barrel length?
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If I could have but 1 weatherby it would be the flat shooting 340. For elk moose and bear its ideal. I have no use for the 7mm cuz I have a 7mm.rem mag which is the weatherby,s twin and a 25/06 which is basically a magnum less 257 weatherby.
Love the 340 Weatherby
Every one of Weatherby cartridges are good, You don’t know Jack shit
I was simply ranking them. Sorry I hurt your feelings