Mr. Randy, I know of several bullets you endorse because I've watched your videos, and enjoy them. I think you should make a video of specific bullets you recommend for various game vs a few you don't recommend to help out the wildlife and the people.... thanks for your videos and time.
I have been watching your videos now for a few weeks now. I want you to know that I appreciate them, I like the truth. I like your thoughts and observations as well as your experience. Thank you.
Randy, you are doing a very noble deed by waving the flag of concern in regard to the current hunting situation. We have become polluted with arrogance and egoism as a hunting community and a country as a whole. It is getting very ugly and we will soon pay a price. I fear that people such as your self voicing their concerns will largely fall apon deaf ears. There is a campaign to end big game hunting in several of the western and northern states, I know this for a fact. Our careless actions will only seal our fate further. In my opinion part of the wolf and grizzly bear agenda is to establish more predators to balance the game herds thereby making the transition away from big game hunting smoother. Making ourselves look like careless, inhumane, jackasses is just putting pavement on the path to loosing our hunting rights. Thanks Randy it’s refreshing to hear from good men like yourself.
I know what hes talking about, i have actually bit into a piece of jacket using hornady a max , it did just come apart. Shot placement means a lot too.
Thanks Randy . My uncle told me 20 plus years ago that Nosler Partition is the only bullet you will ever need . The only Hunting ammo that touches my Rifles . Is Nosler , Barnes , And GMX . I use a 18" Match Grade AR10 chambered in 308 . 165g Partition or 168g LR Accubond are the most accurate for Hunting ammo. I know at the last elk camp I was at . Almost half the younger hunters had the ELDX chambered in 6.5CM. One thing Hornady has always been good at is Marketing. I've really only used the Hornady GMX In 5.56N and 6.8SPC. I've never used it in my 308. Yes Hunting is taking a decline . It's very scary . I know where I live deer are way over normal population. There's been 8 people killed in car accidents caused by hitting deer during the RUT . I just wish I had more time and money to hunt more . As of right now I've planned a Hog hunting trip in Texas and Elk trip in Colorado for next year.
Nosler Partition the oldest still the best! Man the shock a rifle delivers is deadly. I went from slug gun to .243 win. on whitetails and the rifle round makes a pulse across the fur you can see, quick clean kills. Speed and good bullets placed well is deadly!
Hey Randy thanks for the video on bullets. I'm switching to Barnes this year after watching your videos. I'll be testing the 120 and 140 gr TTSX 7mm in the 280. I always learn something from these videos. On those new deer regulations, i know how you feel. In the county i hunt here in Texas our wildlife dept enforced antler regulations on whitetail. We can shoot a buck with one unbranched antler (spike) and one that is wider than the ears. We were bummed out at first too. We have hunted this place since the 60s and only killed small bucks in the 100" range and rarely at that. I think we are 8 years under the new antler regulations now and we kill bucks in the 130" and up to 160s" with multiple bucks on our hit list each year. The bucks are getting to grow up. I know it sucks now because no meat in the freezer but in a couple years yall will be killing the biggest and heaviest bucks ever. Keep the videos coming.
Yes . Partitions, Accubond , and TSX IMO are the Best . For Longer Ranges the TTSX is the best IMO . I've been super impressed with these bulleta. For Hoggs I absolutely love the GMX . I think The TSX hits the Hardest out of any of them
I agree 100% Most of all, we owe it to the animals we hunt a quick clean kill using the right bullets and caliber. These bullet manufacturers best take heed to this fact because they are creating a lot of wounded animals left to suffer, all for a quick buck.
Hi Randy I really appreciate your videos! They have been truly educating to my sons and many folks in my Barbershop. My son has a question, what do you think of the federal fusion bullets? He has a 30-06 and is considering these fusion bonded bullets for a future elk hunt. Keep up the good work and sharing your ancient wisdom!
I never thought about the difference in bullets until I started watching your videos. I have been using Nosler accubond and what they use to call a solid base back in the day. For some unknown reason I have never tried their partitions. Guess I better order some. Thanks for another great video Randy!
Randy, I really respect your views on just about everything you speak about. I think there are a lot of hunters who show poor judgement at what they shoot and how far they attempt their shots. However, if you guys don't get rid of some of those damn Canadian wolves that they brought into that area illegally and cut back on some of the grizzlies you aren't going to have anything left to hunt and then you will have a lot of pissed off people and it will be almost too late.
MMPS Hell no I wouldnt shoot a elk with a 44 mag at 50 yards. Maybe 5 feet ! Ive lost big hogs with my 44. A 44 is not as bad as Dirty harry said. I might shoot a elk with a 454 at 50 yards if it was perfect ! And NO FUQIN WAY Id shoot a 6.5 at a elk at over 350 yards. Let me ask you this ?why is it okay for people to shoot elk at 800 yards with a 6.5 Creedmoor yet they say don't shoot an elk at over 200 yards with a 7 mm08. Because as far as I'm concerned have killed game with both and the 7mm08 performs better than the Creedmoor in every way on big hogs. And Im sure you can use a lrx and get just as good B.C.s out the 7mm08. The Creedmoor has just got a lot of hot air behind it! Ive shot deer with the 6.5 cm, the 6.5x55 Swd and the 260 rem. I just dont see what the fuss is about. Its no more killing power than a 243 win with a ttsx in it. The biggest difference in the Creedmoor and every other rifle caliber is the Creedmoor is having a buttload of advertisement and promotion done on it!
I've done gave up on using boat tailed bullets for hunting any game animal I intend to eat. The bad thing about them is they tend to swap ends resulting in a ton of ruined venison. Better to stick with the partitions and the flatbase Spitzer from Sierra pro Hunter bullets. My 257 Weatherby groups that 117 grain Sierra pro Hunter into a group at 100 yards into groups you'd have to see to believe. It shoots the 120 partition bullets into half inch groups also using the exact same recipe, but hits one inch lower at 100 yards. Since I don't hunt anything but deer with this old gun, it really doesn't matter which one that is used, as I always keep my shots inside of 350 yards.
As usual Randy, you are dead on. Real field situations often forbid classic broadside, windless day shots. If it takes a hard quartering shoulder shot to fill a tag I sure want a strongly constructed bullet to accomplish that end. God Bless! Randy B. NC
Thanks for your post sir. Recently our wildlife officials in Saskatchewan have deemed the puny little .204 Ruger as an adequate big game cartridge but have banned almost all of the so called pistol cartridges for hunting even for deer with the exception of the 44 magnum. I wish these so called experts had your wisdom. My old 44-40 rifle used within it's limitations for close shots in the forest was an adequate deer rifle but I can't legally hunt with it anymore. I tested all the banned cartridges or loaded to their equivalent and compared them to the .204 Ruger. They all had deeper penetration and better performance in simulated hunting tests than the .204 Ruger. The 40 grain .204 Ruger bullet absolutely disintegrated with only about 1 inch of penetration in my test material (pressed processed meat) . When I slowed the load down to match .223 velocity it still completely fragmented but got slightly deeper penetration (about 2 inches ) into the meat test material. Every other load I tested including the .22 lr made an entrance and an exit hole and would no doubt have made into the vital lungs/organs of a deer.
Finally ran into the gunsmith /machinist who worked on a few of my rifles years ago. He was laughing about the 6.5 Creedmoor and people buying into the hype for hunting. Target absolutely. But he was of the opinion that the new calibers are flooding the market and stuff 5 years old you are hard pressed to find ammo already. Never had my 300 Weatherby, 338 Win Mag or my 270 let me down. Just my opinion
Well said.You don't have to look far to see the miss use of 6.5 creedmore on Elk, Eastmans just posted a youtube video of a guy shooting an Elk with a 140 grain ELD-X. The poor Bull did not even flinch after the shot, so he shot it again!! We have a responsibility to do all we can to harvest big game ethically. I understand that not everyone is well versed on ballistics. But once you know what is right you should pass that knowledge on to other hunters.
JOHN SIMONELLI Go watch randy newbergs vid of his preferred elk cartridges, took him 3 shots to anchor an elk using a 308 win..no one bats an eye.. Soon as there is a Creedmoor involved everyone loses their minds🙄🤦♂️
@@Vinceyboy103 I was only responding to what they said at the beginning of their video, Also I agree with you that a .308 is not enough for a Bull Elk. I am no expert by any stretch of any imagination, My personal favorite Elk cartridge is a .338 Win Mag topped with a 225 grain TTSX or a Partition.
Sometimes the truth is a blunt whack to the head, great video! I'm betting a few of the biggest ammo companies just got a case of severe heartburn and rumor has it that Randy was just placed on next year's naughty list by Hornady!
@@TheRealGunsmith You too, really appreciate your straight to the point, no BS, explanations. Thanks for your efforts in making these videos, I always finish them by saying, "Amen!"
@@easttexan2933 he did a video on bullet construction where he'd sectioned bullets and had recovered bullets from game. He mentioned Nosler partition, accubond, and also the barnes tsx I believe as great bullets. The title of the video is bullet technology.
Randy, I have watched many of your videos , and I respect you and your opinion greatly. You remind me of my father. but I think it is important to remember that people are watching your videos from all over the country. For example in Iowa and Minnesota we are hunting whitetail deer that are about a hundred 160 to 180 lb. From a distance of 45 to 85 yards. From a tree stand along a deer trail.... that is a lot different then hunting an elk or a moose or a bighorn sheep at 250 yards. around here we need a bullet to expand quickly and not to fly another half a mile and hit a house or the 10 other deer standing behind the first one... you live in an amazing area and have the privilege of seeing large game and large fields whereas many times around the Midwest we're looking at thin-skinned animals inside of 85 yards. I have personally seen a 150 grain SST go clear through 3 deer with one shot. It hit the first deer and went in like a pencil and out the size of a dime went into the second deer the size of a dime and out like a quarter then dropped the third gear where it stood because by then the entrance was huge. but even the very first deer and the intended shot was a perfect lung shot through the ribs. that deer ran 60 yd and fell. I was not the one who pulled that trigger but I was there to help clean all three deer and I thought to myself either 150 grain is too big or that bullet just did not expand the way that it should
I swear the younger generation thinks every bullet, rifle, cartridge designer of yesteryear was an idiot and never thought of some of the junk which is NOW being "designed". From goofy and unnecessary wildcat cartridges which do NOTHING better than 100+ year old rounds to the thin skinned, lightly constructed aerodynamic pellets they shoot. As if Nosler just all of the sudden came up with the partition on their first try. No matter what you're shooting at...I really don't think that ANY of these super fancy, expensive, plastic tipped bullets can either meet and certainly not exceed the TERMINAL performance of the old Partition.
Hi Randy , Paul from Australia again , thank's for your great video again , about to do some loading with 190 gr Accubond LR in the 300 win mag for sambar deer ! Your thorts ? on that projectile please. Cheers mate ,love your wisdom .
I'm glad my dad was somewhat right and always told me Nosler Partitions and TSX were the best hunting game . I use a 308 Win for Hunting . I've only shot 3 elk . One was at 157 yards using 168g TTSX . The elk went no more than 30 yards. The second one I shot was at 262(farthestshot) yards using 165g Partition . Elk went maybe 15 yards . The most recent was I shot at 204 yards using 165g Partition and took 2 steps and fell over . I've only shot 1 bull elk and that was the one at 157 yards . I use a Match Grade SS 18" AR10 Setup. That's why when it comes to game I keep it under 300 yards. That's my limit for game . Shooting paper I can go out too 750 yards . I can shoot sub moa out to 300 yards . I've never used a Bolt gun for hunting . I've always used a Match Grade Semi Auto . My dad always told me be 1 gun hunter for all your hunting needs . So that's why I chose a 308 . Elk is the biggest sized game i shoot . I can use it for my Known Distance Shooting Competitions out to 880 yards and use for game up to elk size with limitations. . I've heard you say in other videos that you need 1800 pounds of energy to kill elk sized game . Looking at my ballistics for my 308WIN at the distances I've killed I believe it's right at 16 or 1700
I agree with Randy about the Hornady ELDX bullets. I shot an cow elk at 125 yards twice in the shoulder with a 300 Win 200 grain. Both of the bullets didn't penetrate through the shoulder ended up finding the bullets and weighing them one was only 29 percent and the other 34 percent of the original weight. I will not use them again went back to Barnes and Nosler.
I used to try a lot of different bullets but after some problems with the early nobler ballistic tips I've been more careful.i really do like an exit hole.lately we've been shooting big hogs and bullets for deer dont always work on hogs.
randy, this happened in eastern idaho in the 1990s. We went from a two deer per person area to a draw only (unlimited ) 4 point or larger bucks with a one week season
Mik luds ,,,I will wager there are lots of wolves , skip the deer permit and hunt those (illegal )northern BC wolves , rifle , trap , wolf snare , & I hear that blood pop cycle work good , they are made with 4 stainless steel cutting edges placed like + in the center of frozen blood .with the pop cycle stick frozen into the ice to keep it erect. . Always wear robber gloves & boots , boil traps and snares in local evergreen foliage. Happy hunting !
My father had me to drag fresh killed animal through the forest , letting out a little gut every couple hundred yds then onto the lake , 150 yds out so we could come out on a point of land and have good shooting , with the prevalent wind in our face
What bullet diameter is in your view King regarding terminal ballistics? To make it easy, think about bullet diameters loaded with the same type of hunting bullet Placed in a 30-06 case? All of the calibers driven close to max velocities, with the same on game shot placement. Which bullet diameter wins and why?
I have used Barnes TSX exclusively for almost a decade, the farthest anything has gone was 20 yards, most have dropped in their tracks. This is what I imagine a conversation with Parker Ackley would have been like.
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From The Real Gunsmith's Wife; One of the top bullets he recommends and uses in load work ups...as long as the barrel likes it with proper other components. He mentions them in other videos.
how about suggesting good bullets ammo to use, stuff that is affordable for say deer 200-400 maybe 500. The farthest ive ever had to go to fill my tag was about 280 yards, in wide open eastern oregon. I have simply never needed to shoot farther.
Yo, as far as I am concerned, there are really only a few bullets that I truly trust. No 1. Winchester Ballistic tip. 150 gr. For my .308. Started out mid sixties, the old silver-tip. Soft aluminum point. Works very well these bullets. Punch through, hold together, kills instantly. Bullet no. 2 , Speers Nitrex 150gr. Grand slam. Both these in factory loads. I also reload with same bullets. With excellent results. One shot, one kill. To me, there are really no others. But, But , that’s just my opinion! P S. don’t get caught up in all the sales gimmicks, no it all salesman across the counter! Happy Hunting, Mugger Joe.
the Hornady ELD match bullets are so thin that reloading them you need the proper bullet seater or the regular seater will ring and dent the bullet. Cut them open and the core falls out. Only for target use and very light critters. I use Speer HotCor with flat base. Never had an issue with these for hunting. I use the ELD's for paper only. Cutting open a bullet lengthwise is a good idea, a picture just does not do it.
Well sir, the problem I have is people shooting big game at 800- 1000 plus yards. The biggest culprits are the 6.5 Creedmoor crowd, no bullet or conventional hunting cartridge was designed to do that. A 22 long rifle will kill, it has killed man and beast, but no moron would shoot at a deer/ elk at 200 yards with a 22 LR but will shoot at a deer/ elk at 1000 yards plus with a 6.5 Creedmoor.
Michael Neely....yes they are if one hand loads for the 7x57. Ammo that is commercially available for the 7x57 are very anemic. Just like the 6.5x55 Swede. It's the liability issue with older receivers on old military firearms in those calibers. I have been shooting the 6.5x55 for nearly 20 years and at 2650fps it performs beautifully. I don't need 28-2900fps to kill a whitetail or hogs here in Texas.
This past rifle season on whitetails , I did try the Hornady ELD-x precision hunter 162gr. 7mm Rem mag. It killed the deer just fine 200 yard field shot on our farm but it made a mess. It's true you do have core separation there were pieces of lead core in the meat and I did recover the jacket. No core!! I won't be using them anymore especially for black bear and elk. I bought some 139 gr Accubonds for deer and 175gr partitions for bear. I'll use the eldx for woodchucks and ringing steal. I have worked up some accurate loads. I think it's time to raise hell to Hornady. I think they acader to PRS guys who compete. PRS requirements differ vastly from what hunters need. They use advertisement to bring new guys into the sport which is fine however they need to specifically market those whiz bang low drag bullets to competition shooters and not hunters. Don't be me and fall for their crap. I suggest as a new hunter listen to guys like Randy who have been around a long time. They will tell you how it is, what works and what doesn't. Do your homework research. I suggest if you can't find good factory ammo in your area I suggest start learning how to reload. That's the best way to get the most out of your rifle!
Ditto on the Accubonds and Partitions. Most of the hunting I do with the 7 mag I shoot Accubonds but I'm pretty sure that even a 175 grn interlock would drop a deer with no problem.
I realize that it was sarcasm, but could you talk more about the .22 Hornet and it's pros as a big fan of the cartridge I'd really like it not to go into obscurity, or at least any more than it all ready has.
When I lived in alaska for 37 years, no matter what I was hunting, Deer, Caribou, Sheep, I had to carry a load that would be effective on Bears, because they were everywhere...
Randy, I just came across your channel and could not agree with you more. I am curious though, of the factory rifles out there, which one would you recommend someone buying in a $1500 budget and why?
I've used Nosler balistic tips for several years, that I load myself for a .270 cal. mod. 70 Winchester and have had excellent results. A big whitetail buck in full rut goes down within 20 yards if I do my job right, proper shot placement.
I’m a witness to the hornady eld-x bullet I shot a deer at 60 yards and ran about 50 yards took an hour to find him because of no exit wound , when I proceed the deer there was no bullet to be found But little pieces
I can’t argue with your knowledge, but personal experience suggests that game determines bullet selection as much or more than bullet design. Probably not explaining myself correctly so I will give an example. A 52gr A-max out of a 22-250 will flatten a roo quicker than any 150-180gr 308 round reguardless of bullet selection.
true,, i used the 110 hornady eld-x bullets in a 25-06 this past season,, shot several head of big game,,,,at the 250-300 yard range,,bad performance,, bullets blew up on contact,took several rounds to kill each animal,, might as well been using a 22-250 with a 50 grain hollow point,,these bullets are advertised as for use on big game,,,,no more for me,,,,,,
Heavier skinned game requires heavier bullets/larger calibers.....lighter skinned only requires smaller caliber/lighter thinner jacketed bullets. Also depending on the range the shot is taken. Pick your game/bullet construction accordingly. Basic rule of thumb is 1K Ft.lbs to hunt with. Problem is sometimes range can vary unless you know for sure the course of normal travel of certain game. I sectioned Hornady interlocks too.... the lighter weights smaller calibers have a weak interlock ring.... larger caliber ones have a larger ring. However.... some smaller caliber heavier weight bullets have a perfectly substantial locking ring, so it depends..........
I haven't shot an elk twice since changing to Berger bullets, I've never seen an elk hold it's feet more than a few yards hit with a Berger bullets, how long was your bull alive from this year? How many shots?
What are your thoughts on choosing thin-jacketed bullets, like a Nosler Ballistic Tip, if the velocity is kept to 2,700 fps or lower and the shot distance is kept between 50 and 200 yards?
I truly believe what you say. But on the other hand, my son killed a 6 point bull elk with one shot with a 6.5 CM using 143 eld-x. I think it definitely was shot placement.
For those of you who have heard of Jack O'Connor, famous hunter and writer here is his pet load for his mod. 70 Winchester .270 cal. Powder: IMR 4350 57.5 grains 130 grain partition bullet (brand unk.) Velocity 3150 fps. Loaded for Whitetail Deer.. Caution this is considered a hot load..
The energy dump does a lot of damage inside. It blows the soft tissue up. Makes mash out of it. The deer I’ve shot with my 25-06 using 100gr Ballistic tip I’ve seen the shockwave go over a deers body. It’s like a small tidal wave goin over their bodies.
I hunt in the east where a long shot is 250 yds. I have never used a hollow point bullet. Don't believe in them. But what do you think about core-lokts. Used them for decades but the lead seems to have become more brittle--same with Winchester soft points. Right now, I am using fusions and partitions. What's your take, also, on federal's fusion?
Halfway through the video, what do you think about the Berger bullets? I would assume you think the same about these. I love Match bullets for exactly that matches. I usually hunt with Barnes bullets and Nosler, or Hornady hunting bullets like the SST or Interlock.
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Randy, What are your thoughts on using 140 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips on mule deer and antelope when shot from a 280 Remington at between 2900 and 2950 fps at distances less than 400 yards?
Larry Witte look through his videos, he has a great break down and samples of what’s good and what’s not. A proper hunting bullet depends on what’s hunted. Bullets that explode and fragment are great for coyotes and varmits and bullets that retain weight and have controlled expansion, thicker jackets, and bonded type cores are what’s desirable for large game.
Larry Witte Use the Barnes TTSX or the Hornady GMX or the Nosler E-tip. If you need lead try the bonded stuff like interbond or Accubond or the speer grand slam or hot core is great cheap bullets. Another good tuff bullet is the HPBT gameking not the Sbt.. But like the Real Gunsmith says anything over 3,000 fps use a Mono type bullet. Its like this a 80gr Barnes TTSX in 6mm/243 will drive through a 180 lb buck from brisket to butt. And smash everything in between. Folks say they cost too much, but they are worth it...
Hey Randy was wondering if I could an opinion, I use 140 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips out of my 7mm Rem Mag for whitetails. I was wondering if the 140 grain Accubonds would be better suited.
I disagree with you on the Hornady ELD-X. I took a Mule Deer buck at 163 yards this year with the Hornady 143 grain ELD-X. One shot and he went 30 feet and tipped over dead. The entrance hole was about an inch and the exit hole was about 3 inches. Nothing but good results from the ELD-X for me. That being said I agree with you on the Berger bullets for I have lost a cow elk to a Berger bullet. I would also like to see you test these bullets you talk about through some ballistics gel. It’s hard to believe what you are talking about with out physical proof.
I've shot 4 elk with a 200gr eld-x .30 calibur with a muzzle velocity of 2950 two where at 250yds and the other two at 350. I found every jacket just under the hide on the offside with little to no core left. They worked good for deer and antelope but in my opinion they are horrible elk bullets. Yes they all died but all took 2 or more rounds and where broadside shots. I'm going to try barnes this next year if they'll shoot good for my gun if not it's back to accubonds
We harvested 2 rocky cows this year, both with 200 eldx 300wm...no passthrough and one recovered bullet. Both taken at 50 yards. No thanks, more eldx for you.
Montana law allows any caliber as long as it is center fire. If someone is dumb enough to use a 22 caliber round on moose, elk, etc should lose their hunting privileges.
very intelligent man! ive watched every one of your videos and couldn't agree more with your out look on energy, bullet construction, and the marketing gimmicks that are being played today....if more people hunted by these standards in not only this video but all of your others there would be a lot more successful hunters and a lot less wounded or unrecovered game
Hi Randy.......I would like to know What type of Bullet to use in My .308 for Larger White Tails or Black Bear . I Currently have (Remington)180 Core Lokts and W-W 200 Gr. "Silvertips" to use. Would the Speed Hot Cor Spitzer be Good choice or a Woodleigh Weldcorre , or Possibly a Swift Scirocco?
@@TheRealGunsmith Okay Thank You Sir! I recently saw that MidwayUsa will soon have The Barnes Original Bullet in A .30 Cal. 190 Gr. Flat Point. Would this also be a Good Choice for Deer, Bear and Elk? What's your Opinion?
Hi Randy.......I have a Remington 700 Classic in. 35 Whelen and want to Hunt Bear, Elk and Moose . I have been Using the 250 Gr. RN (in Factory loads) So far . What Bullet weight and shape would you recommend for the Game I mentioned ? I once Used Federal's load with the 225 Gr. Trophy Bounded Bear Claw .on a White Tailed ( Buck) deer , it did the job however it was a bit too much for Deer and I think I'll keep the rest of the Box of Cartridges for bigger Animals! Are there any other types of Bullets that best suited for Big game.?
@@TheRealGunsmith Happy New Year and Thanks for your response. I would normally use the 220 Gr. FNSP "Hot Cor" or the Hornady 200 RN and I m usually hunting in brushy areas or where the deer conveniently are found when I see them.
Good video my broyher was just talking with me yesterday about how how poor the plastic tipped bullets are on deer,we kill Deer to eat them and all these plastic tipped bullets destroy alot of good meat.I love the HORNADY 150 grain spire point loaded for 30-06.even the 100 grain Federal blue box ammo that Wal-Mart sells kills Deer like lighting and won't destroy alot of meat ,when I first started loading ammo I thought the Boat tail soft point was the best hunting bullet for my 30-06 for Deer and after seeing how quickly the flat bqse 250 grain lead tipped HORNADT bullets put a Buck down compared to the thin skinned Boat tails I stopped loading the Boat tails the Nosler partition is one of the best hunting bullets out there for hand loaders,its a little more costly ,but they are worth it.
how about suggesting good bullets ammo to use, stuff that is affordable for say deer 200-400 maybe 500. The farthest ive ever had to go to fill my tag was about 280 yards, in wide open eastern oregon. I have simply never needed to shoot farther. 308 has been my go to, they drop where they stood.
i usually use hornady .312 #3130 in my scoped mosin, they do good on deer. hornady #3033 do well in a 308. Has anyone ever shot game and it looked like it shaved the hair in a perfect circle? I had a deer , it looked like it blew up in my scope, hair was perfect circle around shaved? The game wardon told me you dragged that deer so long it took the hide off, i said it was the bullet.
I think more of the wounding is due in part to bad shots or not hitting vitals. You put a hole in a lung or heart and it will go down no matter what bullet. I think it's people making shots that don't hit vitals is what is wounding so many animals. But that's just me
That's not true. You need passthrough, 2 holes bleed better than one. Also, hes talking about bullets that are strong enough to hold together and reach the vitals. Too many of these old legacy rounds and new age match crap dont do that effectively and efficiently. Their success is considerably lower
I guess dropping a couple hundred whitetail in no more than 10 yards, with a single 168gr Ballistic Silvertip each means...... They are only good for paper? I don't think so
I mean I like most of your videos but I think people should concentrate more on bullet construction than ballistic coefficients. Which I think you're trying to say but some people may take it as 'good BC = bad for hunting' and 'bad BC = good for hunting' which isn't necessarily true
BD Lit Yeah bud but take say a 223 and load it up with Btips and see how many deer you loose. Think about it a 168gr 30 cal is deer death. But a Elk is Much larger.
@@southerntriplej8061 yes very true on both counts. I found some of his old videos about bullets last night so now I'm all caught up. As a matter of fact I very much agree with his views. I would never consider hunting deer with a Ballistic Tip out of my 223,... Or a 300 win mag to be honest. Push one designed for hunting too fast and they react like a varmint bullet.
Very accurate, not a good game bullet choice when there ware so many others to pick. Nosler Accu-bond and Partitions particularly. Thanks for watching and good shooting.
Talking about using the wrong bullets, this year in Canada the regulations changed so that you can use any caliber bigger in diameter than .17 with an empty case longer than 32mm, excluding some handgun calibers. I wonder how many people went moose hunting with a .204 and how many wounded animals there were this year compared with other years.
Canada is a big place, every province/territory has its own regulations for hunting they are not country wide. I hunt deer/moose with two different groups and most of us own .204 rugers for coyotes and none of us use them for moose or deer. The smallest caliber anyone uses is 7mm-08. I know lots of hunters and none would spend the time or money applying for tags and taking time off to risk shooting a moose with a . 204. Just because you can doesn’t mean you will.
Chris Garman yo, good point Chris. Iam in mid northern Saskatchewan, been hearing lots of stories about these small caliber, new laws. It’s a bad joke with serious consequences on our wounded , left alone to die animals. ( that got away). Who ever made theses laws & people that past them , should go looking for a new line of work! If they don’t leave voluntarily, they should be fired!! Mugger Joe.
I look at it this way, if your not a sniper then stay within 250 yds. Just make a good clean kill, not a clown trying to juggle in wind, drop, barometric pressure and all that good stuff. Be smart and listen to Randy. I live in northern Minnesota and I have not shot a buck in over 5 years because I want a good clean shot. I love hunting but I also like watching wildlife. Like this afternoon when the snow let up a little. Opened up my front door to shovel my drive, where 3 deer in my front yard and was just talking to them. They were coming closer till my pups wanted to see them, then they just walked into the woods. There not stupid, they know danger. When they see you all the time and let them do there thing, they won't run. Every hunter should be out there with wildlife and learn from them.
Here's alot of the problem- Hornady and Berger do not make guns nor do they hunt anything outside of paper. This kind of crap didnt happen when the founder Hornady ran the show- but then his kid waited and waited for the reins to be handed to him and look what happened- I agree with you entirely. The old Inter-lok bullet is gone, which was a good bullet for whitetails and mulies...today's Inter-lok is a joke for hunting- fine for plinking and paper, but its not a hunting bullet. And Berger? LOL Berger is was and will always be a joke in my book of standards for hunting.
How are the newer InterLock bullets different from the older ones? Just curious because I was considering InterLock bullets for my new 308. Thank you for your time.
Mr. Randy, I know of several bullets you endorse because I've watched your videos, and enjoy them. I think you should make a video of specific bullets you recommend for various game vs a few you don't recommend to help out the wildlife and the people.... thanks for your videos and time.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Happy New Year.
@@TheRealGunsmith I second this recommendation. In that video I would also like to learn of how you section a bullet. Thanks
I know it is kinda randomly asking but do anyone know a good place to stream new tv shows online?
@Major Kai I dunno try Flixportal. you can find it thru google :P -noah
@Noah Wilder thank you, I went there and it seems like they got a lot of movies there =) Appreciate it!!
Good video Randy you are 100 % correct on bullet choice and people trying to shoot game way further away than they should be.
I just picked up some nosler partitions for my 30-06 to try out
I have been watching your videos now for a few weeks now. I want you to know that I appreciate them, I like the truth. I like your thoughts and observations as well as your experience. Thank you.
Sorry for getting off-topic here, the lighting in this one is just perfect. The depth of the shot the colors are absolutely top-notch.
Tsx, accubonds, and trophy bonded bullets are and have always been my go to's
Sir, thank you for sharing your knowledge. The information you shared are very much appreciated.
Randy, you are doing a very noble deed by waving the flag of concern in regard to the current hunting situation. We have become polluted with arrogance and egoism as a hunting community and a country as a whole. It is getting very ugly and we will soon pay a price. I fear that people such as your self voicing their concerns will largely fall apon deaf ears. There is a campaign to end big game hunting in several of the western and northern states, I know this for a fact. Our careless actions will only seal our fate further. In my opinion part of the wolf and grizzly bear agenda is to establish more predators to balance the game herds thereby making the transition away from big game hunting smoother. Making ourselves look like careless, inhumane, jackasses is just putting pavement on the path to loosing our hunting rights. Thanks Randy it’s refreshing to hear from good men like yourself.
amen
Excellent message Randy. Thank you for speaking out on these issues that affect our wildlife. God bless.
God bless you and yours, also.
Thanks for watching and Happy New Year!!
I know what hes talking about, i have actually bit into a piece of jacket using hornady a max , it did just come apart. Shot placement means a lot too.
I could not agree more. I use eld-x for long range target shooting but would never hunt with it. I've had good luck with Lehigh bullets for game.
Thanks Randy . My uncle told me 20 plus years ago that Nosler Partition is the only bullet you will ever need .
The only Hunting ammo that touches my Rifles . Is Nosler , Barnes , And GMX .
I use a 18" Match Grade AR10 chambered in 308 .
165g Partition or 168g LR Accubond are the most accurate for Hunting ammo.
I know at the last elk camp I was at . Almost half the younger hunters had the ELDX chambered in 6.5CM. One thing Hornady has always been good at is Marketing. I've really only used the Hornady GMX In 5.56N and 6.8SPC. I've never used it in my 308.
Yes Hunting is taking a decline . It's very scary . I know where I live deer are way over normal population. There's been 8 people killed in car accidents caused by hitting deer during the RUT .
I just wish I had more time and money to hunt more . As of right now I've planned a Hog hunting trip in Texas and Elk trip in Colorado for next year.
Nosler Partition the oldest still the best! Man the shock a rifle delivers is deadly. I went from slug gun to .243 win. on whitetails and the rifle round makes a pulse across the fur you can see, quick clean kills. Speed and good bullets placed well is deadly!
Hey Randy thanks for the video on bullets. I'm switching to Barnes this year after watching your videos. I'll be testing the 120 and 140 gr TTSX 7mm in the 280. I always learn something from these videos. On those new deer regulations, i know how you feel. In the county i hunt here in Texas our wildlife dept enforced antler regulations on whitetail. We can shoot a buck with one unbranched antler (spike) and one that is wider than the ears. We were bummed out at first too. We have hunted this place since the 60s and only killed small bucks in the 100" range and rarely at that. I think we are 8 years under the new antler regulations now and we kill bucks in the 130" and up to 160s" with multiple bucks on our hit list each year. The bucks are getting to grow up. I know it sucks now because no meat in the freezer but in a couple years yall will be killing the biggest and heaviest bucks ever. Keep the videos coming.
Partitions or Barnes copper good to go!
Yes . Partitions, Accubond , and TSX IMO are the Best . For Longer Ranges the TTSX is the best IMO . I've been super impressed with these bulleta. For Hoggs I absolutely love the GMX . I think The TSX hits the Hardest out of any of them
I agree 100% Most of all, we owe it to the animals we hunt a quick clean kill using the right
bullets and caliber. These bullet manufacturers best take heed to this fact because they are creating a lot of wounded animals left to suffer, all for a quick buck.
As long as we buy the bullets they don't cair about the game. They have made there stockholders money and that's the bottom line.
Hi Randy I really appreciate your videos! They have been truly educating to my sons and many folks in my Barbershop. My son has a question, what do you think of the federal fusion bullets? He has a 30-06 and is considering these fusion bonded bullets for a future elk hunt. Keep up the good work and sharing your ancient wisdom!
Use 180 Nosler partitions or 180 Trophy Bonded Tipped bullets.
Thanks for sharing and thanks for watching!
I never thought about the difference in bullets until I started watching your videos. I have been using Nosler accubond and what they use to call a solid base back in the day. For some unknown reason I have never tried their partitions. Guess I better order some.
Thanks for another great video Randy!
Nossler accubonds, partitions or Federal trophy bonded tip are what I prefer for hunting.
I've said the samething about the ELD-X, Berger's and not real fond of the SST bullets either. Give me a good bonded or copper bullet and I'm set.
Randy, I really respect your views on just about everything you speak about. I think there are a lot of hunters who show poor judgement at what they shoot and how far they attempt their shots. However, if you guys don't get rid of some of those damn Canadian wolves that they brought into that area illegally and cut back on some of the grizzlies you aren't going to have anything left to hunt and then you will have a lot of pissed off people and it will be almost too late.
Excellent video!!!! A lot of people drink the advertising cool aid!!!! 6.5 creedmore can kill a bull elk at a 1000yds with a 130gr pill. LOL
Didn't you know, those guys are making headshots at 1000, so it's perfectly fine, lol.
You can most likely kill it, but not ethically at all
@@tiputipu777 That is very true, the 6.5 CM is not a long range big game rifle.
MMPS
Hell no I wouldnt shoot a elk with a 44 mag at 50 yards. Maybe 5 feet !
Ive lost big hogs with my 44. A 44 is not as bad as Dirty harry said.
I might shoot a elk with a 454 at 50 yards if it was perfect !
And NO FUQIN WAY Id shoot a 6.5 at a elk at over 350 yards.
Let me ask you this ?why is it okay for people to shoot elk at 800 yards with a 6.5 Creedmoor yet they say don't shoot an elk at over 200 yards with a 7 mm08.
Because as far as I'm concerned have killed game with both and the 7mm08 performs better than the Creedmoor in every way on big hogs. And Im sure you can use a lrx and get just as good B.C.s out the 7mm08.
The Creedmoor has just got a lot of hot air behind it! Ive shot deer with the 6.5 cm, the 6.5x55 Swd and the 260 rem. I just dont see what the fuss is about. Its no more killing power than a 243 win with a ttsx in it.
The biggest difference in the Creedmoor and every other rifle caliber is the Creedmoor is having a buttload of advertisement and promotion done on it!
That’s why I make my own copper tubing core bonded jacketed 338 bullets any weight or BC I like. They rock !!
I've done gave up on using boat tailed bullets for hunting any game animal I intend to eat. The bad thing about them is they tend to swap ends resulting in a ton of ruined venison. Better to stick with the partitions and the flatbase Spitzer from Sierra pro Hunter bullets.
My 257 Weatherby groups that 117 grain Sierra pro Hunter into a group at 100 yards into groups you'd have to see to believe. It shoots the 120 partition bullets into half inch groups also using the exact same recipe, but hits one inch lower at 100 yards.
Since I don't hunt anything but deer with this old gun, it really doesn't matter which one that is used, as I always keep my shots inside of 350 yards.
As usual Randy, you are dead on. Real field situations often forbid classic broadside, windless day shots. If it takes a hard quartering shoulder shot to fill a tag I sure want a strongly constructed bullet to accomplish that end. God Bless! Randy B. NC
Thanks for your post sir. Recently our wildlife officials in Saskatchewan have deemed the puny little .204 Ruger as an adequate big game cartridge but have banned almost all of the so called pistol cartridges for hunting even for deer with the exception of the 44 magnum. I wish these so called experts had your wisdom. My old 44-40 rifle used within it's limitations for close shots in the forest was an adequate deer rifle but I can't legally hunt with it anymore. I tested all the banned cartridges or loaded to their equivalent and compared them to the .204 Ruger. They all had deeper penetration and better performance in simulated hunting tests than the .204 Ruger. The 40 grain .204 Ruger bullet absolutely disintegrated with only about 1 inch of penetration in my test material (pressed processed meat) . When I slowed the load down to match .223 velocity it still completely fragmented but got slightly deeper penetration (about 2 inches ) into the meat test material. Every other load I tested including the .22 lr made an entrance and an exit hole and would no doubt have made into the vital lungs/organs of a deer.
Finally ran into the gunsmith /machinist who worked on a few of my rifles years ago. He was laughing about the 6.5 Creedmoor and people buying into the hype for hunting. Target absolutely. But he was of the opinion that the new calibers are flooding the market and stuff 5 years old you are hard pressed to find ammo already. Never had my 300 Weatherby, 338 Win Mag or my 270 let me down. Just my opinion
Well said.You don't have to look far to see the miss use of 6.5 creedmore on Elk, Eastmans just posted a youtube video of a guy shooting an Elk with a 140 grain ELD-X. The poor Bull did not even flinch after the shot, so he shot it again!! We have a responsibility to do all we can to harvest big game ethically. I understand that not everyone is well versed on ballistics. But once you know what is right you should pass that knowledge on to other hunters.
Thanks. I haven't seen that. Probably won't. I had to give up watching those d***ed shows/videos, it raises the blood pressure!
JOHN SIMONELLI
Go watch randy newbergs vid of his preferred elk cartridges, took him 3 shots to anchor an elk using a 308 win..no one bats an eye..
Soon as there is a Creedmoor involved everyone loses their minds🙄🤦♂️
@@Vinceyboy103 I was only responding to what they said at the beginning of their video, Also I agree with you that a .308 is not enough for a Bull Elk. I am no expert by any stretch of any imagination, My personal favorite Elk cartridge is a .338 Win Mag topped with a 225 grain TTSX or a Partition.
Sometimes the truth is a blunt whack to the head, great video!
I'm betting a few of the biggest ammo companies just got a case of severe heartburn and rumor has it that Randy was just placed on next year's naughty list by Hornady!
Paul there isn't a Laughing Loudly icon to click or we would! Thanks and Happy New Year!!
@@TheRealGunsmith You too, really appreciate your straight to the point, no BS, explanations. Thanks for your efforts in making these videos, I always finish them by saying, "Amen!"
I would like to see your 3 or 4 favorite bullets thanks
So would I!
Check out his previous video: ruclips.net/video/pBDm41duCTo/видео.html. Nosler Partition, Accubond, Barnes Triple Shock are chief among the favorites.
All I want to know is the Nosler Accubond in your list of good bullets for whitetails?
In the other video he has it says his choice of bullets
@@easttexan2933 he did a video on bullet construction where he'd sectioned bullets and had recovered bullets from game. He mentioned Nosler partition, accubond, and also the barnes tsx I believe as great bullets. The title of the video is bullet technology.
Randy, I have watched many of your videos , and I respect you and your opinion greatly. You remind me of my father. but I think it is important to remember that people are watching your videos from all over the country. For example in Iowa and Minnesota we are hunting whitetail deer that are about a hundred 160 to 180 lb. From a distance of 45 to 85 yards. From a tree stand along a deer trail.... that is a lot different then hunting an elk or a moose or a bighorn sheep at 250 yards. around here we need a bullet to expand quickly and not to fly another half a mile and hit a house or the 10 other deer standing behind the first one... you live in an amazing area and have the privilege of seeing large game and large fields whereas many times around the Midwest we're looking at thin-skinned animals inside of 85 yards.
I have personally seen a 150 grain SST go clear through 3 deer with one shot.
It hit the first deer and went in like a pencil and out the size of a dime went into the second deer the size of a dime and out like a quarter then dropped the third gear where it stood because by then the entrance was huge. but even the very first deer and the intended shot
was a perfect lung shot through the ribs.
that deer ran 60 yd and fell.
I was not the one who pulled that trigger but I was there to help clean all three deer and I thought to myself either 150 grain is too big or that bullet just did not expand the way that it should
I swear the younger generation thinks every bullet, rifle, cartridge designer of yesteryear was an idiot and never thought of some of the junk which is NOW being "designed". From goofy and unnecessary wildcat cartridges which do NOTHING better than 100+ year old rounds to the thin skinned, lightly constructed aerodynamic pellets they shoot. As if Nosler just all of the sudden came up with the partition on their first try. No matter what you're shooting at...I really don't think that ANY of these super fancy, expensive, plastic tipped bullets can either meet and certainly not exceed the TERMINAL performance of the old Partition.
Hi Randy , Paul from Australia again , thank's for your great video again , about to do some loading with 190 gr Accubond LR in the 300 win mag for sambar deer ! Your thorts ? on that projectile please. Cheers mate ,love your wisdom .
Very good choices.
I use IMR 7828 or H1000 powder.
Happy New Year!
Cheers Randy , thank you sir.@@TheRealGunsmith
I'm glad my dad was somewhat right and always told me Nosler Partitions and TSX were the best hunting game .
I use a 308 Win for Hunting . I've only shot 3 elk . One was at 157 yards using 168g TTSX . The elk went no more than 30 yards. The second one I shot was at 262(farthestshot) yards using 165g Partition . Elk went maybe 15 yards . The most recent was I shot at 204 yards using 165g Partition and took 2 steps and fell over .
I've only shot 1 bull elk and that was the one at 157 yards .
I use a Match Grade SS 18" AR10 Setup. That's why when it comes to game I keep it under 300 yards. That's my limit for game . Shooting paper I can go out too 750 yards .
I can shoot sub moa out to 300 yards .
I've never used a Bolt gun for hunting . I've always used a Match Grade Semi Auto .
My dad always told me be 1 gun hunter for all your hunting needs . So that's why I chose a 308 . Elk is the biggest sized game i shoot .
I can use it for my Known Distance Shooting Competitions out to 880 yards and use for game up to elk size with limitations. .
I've heard you say in other videos that you need 1800 pounds of energy to kill elk sized game . Looking at my ballistics for my 308WIN at the distances I've killed I believe it's right at 16 or 1700
I agree with Randy about the Hornady ELDX bullets. I shot an cow elk at 125 yards twice in the shoulder with a 300 Win 200 grain. Both of the bullets didn't penetrate through the shoulder ended up finding the bullets and weighing them one was only 29 percent and the other 34 percent of the original weight. I will not use them again went back to Barnes and Nosler.
I used to try a lot of different bullets but after some problems with the early nobler ballistic tips I've been more careful.i really do like an exit hole.lately we've been shooting big hogs and bullets for deer dont always work on hogs.
Amen ! I'm 1000% with you On this one Randy ! Very Well stated. Thank you.
Match grade bullets are for paper and maybe prairie dogs.
As all your videos Randy, excellent advice! Your life-time of knowledge is extremely valuable! God bless you sir. Good hunting.
Thank you! God bless you and yours!
randy, this happened in eastern idaho in the 1990s. We went from a two deer per person area to a draw only (unlimited ) 4 point or larger bucks with a one week season
Mik luds ,,,I will wager there are lots of wolves , skip the deer permit and hunt those (illegal )northern BC wolves , rifle , trap , wolf snare , & I hear that blood pop cycle work good , they are made with 4 stainless steel cutting edges placed like + in the center of frozen blood .with the pop cycle stick frozen into the ice to keep it erect. . Always wear robber gloves & boots , boil traps and snares in local evergreen foliage. Happy hunting !
My father had me to drag fresh killed animal through the forest , letting out a little gut every couple hundred yds then onto the lake , 150 yds out so we could come out on a point of land and have good shooting , with the prevalent wind in our face
you are great in the advice department , my hat is off to you , jack occonnor is my second favorite now !! he could learn a thing or two from you!
What bullet diameter is in your view King regarding terminal ballistics? To make it easy, think about bullet diameters loaded with the same type of hunting bullet Placed in a 30-06 case? All of the calibers driven close to max velocities, with the same on game shot placement.
Which bullet diameter wins and why?
Great video Randy. For me it's bonded bullets all the way on big critters.
I have used Barnes TSX exclusively for almost a decade, the farthest anything has gone was 20 yards, most have dropped in their tracks. This is what I imagine a conversation with Parker Ackley would have been like.
From Cathy The Real Gunsmith's Wife: Aaahhhhh Shucks! He grinned.
Thanks for watching. We truly appreciate it and your comment!
Have a blessed New Year!
There you go again Randy, making friends with all the high profile experts! Give 'em hell buddy.
If there was an LOL button we would click it! Thanks!
Happy New Year!
Randy, what’s your opinion on Nosler Accubond bullets?
From The Real Gunsmith's Wife; One of the top bullets he recommends and uses in load work ups...as long as the barrel likes it with proper other components. He mentions them in other videos.
Im a sucker who bought some
eld-x bullets (havent used Them yet).
Im now considering it for foxes and varmint use.
Like the V-max.
Miles Neville I also wouldn't risk a well earned hunt with them either, use what is time tested and be confident!
Thank you Mr Randy for your amazing knowledge and insight
Any bonded soft point or tsx bullet is all you ever need. Gel tests are widely available, check what to expect before you buy.
how about suggesting good bullets ammo to use, stuff that is affordable for say deer 200-400 maybe 500. The farthest ive ever had to go to fill my tag was about 280 yards, in wide open eastern oregon. I have simply never needed to shoot farther.
Yo, as far as I am concerned, there are really only a few bullets that I truly trust. No 1. Winchester Ballistic tip. 150 gr. For my .308. Started out mid sixties, the old silver-tip. Soft aluminum point. Works very well these bullets. Punch through, hold together, kills instantly. Bullet no. 2 , Speers Nitrex 150gr. Grand slam. Both these in factory loads. I also reload with same bullets. With excellent results. One shot, one kill. To me, there are really no others. But, But , that’s just my opinion! P S. don’t get caught up in all the sales gimmicks, no it all salesman across the counter! Happy Hunting, Mugger Joe.
The right bullet for the game works every time. I use Berger for deer from 50 to 385 yards. None have run more than 10 feet. Swift for hogs DRT.
I use Barnes TTSX. Nosler Acubond and Hornady v-max in three different calibers with good results.
Yes!!! Very well done!
the Hornady ELD match bullets are so thin that reloading them you need the proper bullet seater or the regular seater will ring and dent the bullet. Cut them open and the core falls out. Only for target use and very light critters. I use Speer HotCor with flat base. Never had an issue with these for hunting. I use the ELD's for paper only. Cutting open a bullet lengthwise is a good idea, a picture just does not do it.
Well sir, the problem I have is people shooting big game at 800- 1000 plus yards. The biggest culprits are the 6.5 Creedmoor crowd, no bullet or conventional hunting cartridge was designed to do that. A 22 long rifle will kill, it has killed man and beast, but no moron would shoot at a deer/ elk at 200 yards with a 22 LR but will shoot at a deer/ elk at 1000 yards plus with a 6.5 Creedmoor.
MontanaMountainMen….I would never shoot at a deer/elk at 1000 yds. Why not you ask? I would think the kyotes would eat it before I could get to it lol
@@easttexan2933 Well a lot of nimrods do shoot at them at 1000 yards sadly, wonder how many are lost.
@MontanaMountainMen loved your review of the Remington 700 Classic in 7x57. Arguably one of the best cartridges ever made for anything.
@@easttexan2933 Why thank you very much.
Michael Neely....yes they are if one hand loads for the 7x57. Ammo that is commercially available for the 7x57 are very anemic. Just like the 6.5x55 Swede. It's the liability issue with older receivers on old military firearms in those calibers. I have been shooting the 6.5x55 for nearly 20 years and at 2650fps it performs beautifully. I don't need 28-2900fps to kill a whitetail or hogs here in Texas.
I agree with you sir.
This past rifle season on whitetails , I did try the Hornady ELD-x precision hunter 162gr. 7mm Rem mag. It killed the deer just fine 200 yard field shot on our farm but it made a mess. It's true you do have core separation there were pieces of lead core in the meat and I did recover the jacket. No core!! I won't be using them anymore especially for black bear and elk. I bought some 139 gr Accubonds for deer and 175gr partitions for bear. I'll use the eldx for woodchucks and ringing steal. I have worked up some accurate loads. I think it's time to raise hell to Hornady. I think they acader to PRS guys who compete. PRS requirements differ vastly from what hunters need. They use advertisement to bring new guys into the sport which is fine however they need to specifically market those whiz bang low drag bullets to competition shooters and not hunters. Don't be me and fall for their crap. I suggest as a new hunter listen to guys like Randy who have been around a long time. They will tell you how it is, what works and what doesn't. Do your homework research. I suggest if you can't find good factory ammo in your area I suggest start learning how to reload. That's the best way to get the most out of your rifle!
Ditto on the Accubonds and Partitions. Most of the hunting I do with the 7 mag I shoot Accubonds but I'm pretty sure that even a 175 grn interlock would drop a deer with no problem.
I realize that it was sarcasm, but could you talk more about the .22 Hornet and it's pros as a big fan of the cartridge I'd really like it not to go into obscurity, or at least any more than it all ready has.
When I lived in alaska for 37 years, no matter what I was hunting, Deer, Caribou, Sheep, I had to carry a load that would be effective on Bears, because they were everywhere...
Randy, I just came across your channel and could not agree with you more. I am curious though, of the factory rifles out there, which one would you recommend someone buying in a $1500 budget and why?
Sako, known for accuracy, the best triggers of any rifle and they work extremely well as they are well made.
Thanks for watching!
Randy, a few folks commenting here, myself included, regard the Nosler Accubond a good bullet. Would you agree? Max in Texas
I've used Nosler balistic tips for several years, that I load myself for a .270 cal.
mod. 70 Winchester and have had excellent results. A big whitetail buck in full rut goes down within 20 yards if I do my job right, proper shot placement.
Yes.
Happy New Year!
thank you sir.
I’m a witness to the hornady eld-x bullet
I shot a deer at 60 yards and ran about 50 yards took an hour to find him because of no exit wound , when I proceed the deer there was no bullet to be found
But little pieces
I can’t argue with your knowledge, but personal experience suggests that game determines bullet selection as much or more than bullet design. Probably not explaining myself correctly so I will give an example. A 52gr A-max out of a 22-250 will flatten a roo quicker than any 150-180gr 308 round reguardless of bullet selection.
Hey randy the videos are awesome I’ve seen ab all of them.but I was wondering which 140 gr 7mm rem mag bullet you would recommend for wt deer?
true,, i used the 110 hornady eld-x bullets in a 25-06 this past season,, shot several head of big game,,,,at the 250-300 yard range,,bad performance,, bullets blew up on contact,took several rounds to kill each animal,, might as well been using a 22-250 with a 50 grain hollow point,,these bullets are advertised as for use on big game,,,,no more for me,,,,,,
Heavier skinned game requires heavier bullets/larger calibers.....lighter skinned only requires smaller caliber/lighter thinner jacketed bullets. Also depending on the range the shot is taken. Pick your game/bullet construction accordingly. Basic rule of thumb is 1K Ft.lbs to hunt with. Problem is sometimes range can vary unless you know for sure the course of normal travel of certain game. I sectioned Hornady interlocks too.... the lighter weights smaller calibers have a weak interlock ring.... larger caliber ones have a larger ring. However.... some smaller caliber heavier weight bullets have a perfectly substantial locking ring, so it depends..........
I haven't shot an elk twice since changing to Berger bullets, I've never seen an elk hold it's feet more than a few yards hit with a Berger bullets, how long was your bull alive from this year? How many shots?
What are your thoughts on choosing thin-jacketed bullets, like a Nosler Ballistic Tip, if the velocity is kept to 2,700 fps or lower and the shot distance is kept between 50 and 200 yards?
That's just fine for that yardage.
I truly believe what you say. But on the other hand, my son killed a 6 point bull elk with one shot with a 6.5 CM using 143 eld-x. I think it definitely was shot placement.
For those of you who have heard of Jack O'Connor, famous hunter and writer here is his
pet load for his mod. 70 Winchester .270 cal. Powder: IMR 4350 57.5 grains
130 grain partition bullet (brand unk.) Velocity 3150 fps. Loaded for Whitetail Deer.. Caution this is considered a hot load..
The energy dump does a lot of damage inside. It blows the soft tissue up. Makes mash out of it. The deer I’ve shot with my 25-06 using 100gr Ballistic tip I’ve seen the shockwave go over a deers body. It’s like a small tidal wave goin over their bodies.
I hunt in the east where a long shot is 250 yds. I have never used a hollow point bullet. Don't believe in them. But what do you think about core-lokts. Used them for decades but the lead seems to have become more brittle--same with Winchester soft points. Right now, I am using fusions and partitions. What's your take, also, on federal's fusion?
Core lokts are good, as well as partitions. For your use the Fusion my be fine.
Thanks for watching. May you and yours stay well and safe.
@@TheRealGunsmith Thank you for answering.
Halfway through the video, what do you think about the Berger bullets? I would assume you think the same about these. I love Match bullets for exactly that matches. I usually hunt with Barnes bullets and Nosler, or Hornady hunting bullets like the SST or Interlock.
From Cathy, The Real Gunsmith's Wife: THANKS, you nailed it for Durbin Family. We took time off for the Christmas holiday and are inundated with comments.
We can never reply to them all as a general rule, and as not with the detail you did, just not enough time.
I can tell you have been paying attention, for sure.
Thanks again. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Berger are target bullets. Do you want to wound game or kill it?
Randy, What are your thoughts on using 140 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips on mule deer and antelope when shot from a 280 Remington at between 2900 and 2950 fps at distances less than 400 yards?
Poor bullets, use a 140 Nosler Accu-bond or 140 Nosler.
Happy New Year!
Please tell us and show us proper hunting bullets
Larry Witte look through his videos, he has a great break down and samples of what’s good and what’s not.
A proper hunting bullet depends on what’s hunted. Bullets that explode and fragment are great for coyotes and varmits and bullets that retain weight and have controlled expansion, thicker jackets, and bonded type cores are what’s desirable for large game.
@@cedarhillkennels3252 get lapua naturalis for big game
Larry Witte
Use the Barnes TTSX or the Hornady GMX or the Nosler E-tip.
If you need lead try the bonded stuff like interbond or Accubond or the speer grand slam or hot core is great cheap bullets. Another good tuff bullet is the HPBT gameking not the Sbt.. But like the Real Gunsmith says anything over 3,000 fps use a Mono type bullet.
Its like this a 80gr Barnes TTSX in 6mm/243 will drive through a 180 lb buck from brisket to butt. And smash everything in between.
Folks say they cost too much, but they are worth it...
@@southerntriplej8061 thanks for the info I got a 270 Winchester and a 3030 Marlin
Have you tried solid copper bullets like the Barns TSX ?
Hey Randy was wondering if I could an opinion, I use 140 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips out of my 7mm Rem Mag for whitetails. I was wondering if the 140 grain Accubonds would be better suited.
Yes, they would.
Thanks for watching and good hunting!
I disagree with you on the Hornady ELD-X. I took a Mule Deer buck at 163 yards this year with the Hornady 143 grain ELD-X. One shot and he went 30 feet and tipped over dead. The entrance hole was about an inch and the exit hole was about 3 inches. Nothing but good results from the ELD-X for me. That being said I agree with you on the Berger bullets for I have lost a cow elk to a Berger bullet. I would also like to see you test these bullets you talk about through some ballistics gel. It’s hard to believe what you are talking about with out physical proof.
I've shot 4 elk with a 200gr eld-x .30 calibur with a muzzle velocity of 2950 two where at 250yds and the other two at 350. I found every jacket just under the hide on the offside with little to no core left. They worked good for deer and antelope but in my opinion they are horrible elk bullets. Yes they all died but all took 2 or more rounds and where broadside shots. I'm going to try barnes this next year if they'll shoot good for my gun if not it's back to accubonds
We harvested 2 rocky cows this year, both with 200 eldx 300wm...no passthrough and one recovered bullet. Both taken at 50 yards. No thanks, more eldx for you.
what bullet do you suggest for deer from a .260 rem
Hornady 129 gr Interlock SP or Nosler 125 Partition.
Happy New Year!
Montana law allows any caliber as long as it is center fire. If someone is dumb enough to use a 22 caliber round on moose, elk, etc should lose their hunting privileges.
I agree with everything you said. Thanks for posting. A lot of these bullets are target bullets. Nothing more.
very intelligent man! ive watched every one of your videos and couldn't agree more with your out look on energy, bullet construction, and the marketing gimmicks that are being played today....if more people hunted by these standards in not only this video but all of your others there would be a lot more successful hunters and a lot less wounded or unrecovered game
Hi Randy.......I would like to know What type of Bullet to use in My
.308 for Larger White Tails or Black Bear . I Currently have (Remington)180 Core Lokts and W-W 200 Gr. "Silvertips" to use. Would the Speed Hot Cor Spitzer be Good choice or a Woodleigh Weldcorre , or Possibly a Swift Scirocco?
You’re using a good bullet for white tail. Your choices will be good with the right weight and of course placement for black bear.
@@TheRealGunsmith Okay Thank You Sir! I recently saw that MidwayUsa will soon have The Barnes Original Bullet in A .30 Cal. 190 Gr. Flat Point. Would this also be a Good Choice for Deer, Bear and Elk? What's your Opinion?
Hi Randy.......I have a Remington 700 Classic in. 35 Whelen and want to Hunt Bear, Elk and Moose . I have been Using the 250 Gr. RN (in Factory loads) So far . What Bullet weight and shape would you recommend for the Game I mentioned ? I once Used Federal's load with the 225 Gr. Trophy Bounded Bear Claw .on a White Tailed ( Buck) deer , it did the job however it was a bit too much for Deer and I think I'll keep the rest of the Box of Cartridges for bigger Animals! Are there any other types of Bullets that best suited for Big game.?
The 225 Trophy bonded Bear Claw is excellent, a lighter constructed, say Hornady 200 gr SP would be better suited for deer.
Happy New Year!
@@TheRealGunsmith Happy New Year and Thanks for your response. I would normally use the 220 Gr. FNSP "Hot Cor" or the Hornady 200 RN and I m usually hunting in brushy areas or where the deer conveniently are found when I see them.
I’d like to hear your thoughts on the 6.5x55 Swedish I got one from my grandfather
Good rifle.
Good video my broyher was just talking with me yesterday about how how poor the plastic tipped bullets are on deer,we kill Deer to eat them and all these plastic tipped bullets destroy alot of good meat.I love the HORNADY 150 grain spire point loaded for 30-06.even the 100 grain Federal blue box ammo that Wal-Mart sells kills Deer like lighting and won't destroy alot of meat ,when I first started loading ammo I thought the Boat tail soft point was the best hunting bullet for my 30-06 for Deer and after seeing how quickly the flat bqse 250 grain lead tipped HORNADT bullets put a Buck down compared to the thin skinned Boat tails I stopped loading the Boat tails the Nosler partition is one of the best hunting bullets out there for hand loaders,its a little more costly ,but they are worth it.
you are THE deal.
Recommendations on high quality 30-30 ammo?
White box
Could you define thick/thin jackets .
Thin jackets, .030 or so: They have no ability to hold together and are not game bullets.
Thanks for watching and may you and yours be safe and well.
how about suggesting good bullets ammo to use, stuff that is affordable for say deer 200-400 maybe 500. The farthest ive ever had to go to fill my tag was about 280 yards, in wide open eastern oregon. I have simply never needed to shoot farther. 308 has been my go to, they drop where they stood.
i usually use hornady .312 #3130 in my scoped mosin, they do good on deer. hornady #3033 do well in a 308. Has anyone ever shot game and it looked like it shaved the hair in a perfect circle? I had a deer , it looked like it blew up in my scope, hair was perfect circle around shaved? The game wardon told me you dragged that deer so long it took the hide off, i said it was the bullet.
You're the best gun man and teacher on you tube bar none!
hornady interlock at least decent ? for elk 500 under ?
Hornady interlocks are a good bullet. Thanks for watching!
I think more of the wounding is due in part to bad shots or not hitting vitals. You put a hole in a lung or heart and it will go down no matter what bullet. I think it's people making shots that don't hit vitals is what is wounding so many animals. But that's just me
That's not true. You need passthrough, 2 holes bleed better than one. Also, hes talking about bullets that are strong enough to hold together and reach the vitals. Too many of these old legacy rounds and new age match crap dont do that effectively and efficiently. Their success is considerably lower
I guess dropping a couple hundred whitetail in no more than 10 yards, with a single 168gr Ballistic Silvertip each means...... They are only good for paper? I don't think so
I mean I like most of your videos but I think people should concentrate more on bullet construction than ballistic coefficients. Which I think you're trying to say but some people may take it as 'good BC = bad for hunting' and 'bad BC = good for hunting' which isn't necessarily true
BD Lit
Yeah bud but take say a 223 and load it up with Btips and see how many deer you loose. Think about it a 168gr 30 cal is deer death. But a Elk is Much larger.
@@southerntriplej8061 yes very true on both counts. I found some of his old videos about bullets last night so now I'm all caught up. As a matter of fact I very much agree with his views. I would never consider hunting deer with a Ballistic Tip out of my 223,... Or a 300 win mag to be honest. Push one designed for hunting too fast and they react like a varmint bullet.
Do you know anything about Woodleigh bullets
Yes, they are very fine bullets.
What do you think of the nosler ballistic tip with the tapered jacket?
They work very well in my 270 win on deer under 200 yards in my experience
Very accurate, not a good game bullet choice when there ware so many others to pick. Nosler Accu-bond and Partitions particularly.
Thanks for watching and good shooting.
The Real Gunsmith thank you for the reply sir!
Talking about using the wrong bullets, this year in Canada the regulations changed so that you can use any caliber bigger in diameter than .17 with an empty case longer than 32mm, excluding some handgun calibers. I wonder how many people went moose hunting with a .204 and how many wounded animals there were this year compared with other years.
Canada is a big place, every province/territory has its own regulations for hunting they are not country wide. I hunt deer/moose with two different groups and most of us own .204 rugers for coyotes and none of us use them for moose or deer. The smallest caliber anyone uses is 7mm-08. I know lots of hunters and none would spend the time or money applying for tags and taking time off to risk shooting a moose with a . 204. Just because you can doesn’t mean you will.
@@boozytheclown800 Most people do their best to be ethical, unfortunately there are some who don't.
@@Chris_Garman that is very true. Some people will never understand there is no one cartridge for everything.
Chris Garman yo, good point Chris. Iam in mid northern Saskatchewan, been hearing lots of stories about these small caliber, new laws. It’s a bad joke with serious consequences on our wounded , left alone to die animals. ( that got away). Who ever made theses laws & people that past them , should go looking for a new line of work! If they don’t leave voluntarily, they should be fired!! Mugger Joe.
In Missouri it use to be .25 cal or 20 ga. for the min ,now its ANY centerfire rifle cal. even 410 slugs
I look at it this way, if your not a sniper then stay within 250 yds. Just make a good clean kill, not a clown trying to juggle in wind, drop, barometric pressure and all that good stuff. Be smart and listen to Randy. I live in northern Minnesota and I have not shot a buck in over 5 years because I want a good clean shot. I love hunting but I also like watching wildlife. Like this afternoon when the snow let up a little. Opened up my front door to shovel my drive, where 3 deer in my front yard and was just talking to them. They were coming closer till my pups wanted to see them, then they just walked into the woods. There not stupid, they know danger. When they see you all the time and let them do there thing, they won't run. Every hunter should be out there with wildlife and learn from them.
Commercialization of the resource is the primary reason for The delima,ultimately greed drives all involved
Here's alot of the problem- Hornady and Berger do not make guns nor do they hunt anything outside of paper. This kind of crap didnt happen when the founder Hornady ran the show- but then his kid waited and waited for the reins to be handed to him and look what happened- I agree with you entirely. The old Inter-lok bullet is gone, which was a good bullet for whitetails and mulies...today's Inter-lok is a joke for hunting- fine for plinking and paper, but its not a hunting bullet. And Berger? LOL Berger is was and will always be a joke in my book of standards for hunting.
How are the newer InterLock bullets different from the older ones? Just curious because I was considering InterLock bullets for my new 308. Thank you for your time.