Girl Chat: Should Flag Burning Be Illegal?
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- Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2016
- Donald Trump recently took to Twitter to call for the criminalization of burning the American Flag, and it has us thinking, is it freedom of speech? Should it be subject to punishment? "The Real" hosts share their thoughts in this Girl Chat.
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Did all of you forget that at the beginning of America there was a massacre of thousands of Native Americans? Adrienne, I am an American and I just watched people burn my flag... I am not offended nor do I care, it's their right to express their opinion and feelings.
Millions.
It's a symbol of “freedom” so if people don't feel free you can't expect them to care. Can't have the 1st amendment for some things and not for all.
yes!! its like they are saying "follow the rules"....no not like that....wut??
Dee M say that sis
Dee M that is their dumbass view. it doesn't make it fact. go to any other country and tell me how free you are. I thought so. its not illegal but it doesn't make it not disrespectful.
Michael Eaton Go go any other country? Why when we are discussing America? Who is it disrespectful to? Soldiers? The USA is supposed to grant freedom and if you see your own people being oppressed, you protest. That is all that is.
Steven Combs No one is oppressed? Freedom? Wake up or be considerate of those in this country dying everyday because they have a label on them that has yet to be removed. So much struggle in this country so don't let the rich white man they paint as an example fool you.
America seems to care more about a flag than their people sometimes...
Agreed 100%
Girl you betta PREACH!!!
right!!! the flag didn't seem to matter during Slavery and the civil rights movement
exactly
so true
This conversation was extremely one sided. You guys didn't even address why people are burning the flag in the first place. I could care less if someone outside America burned our flag because it's no secret that a lot of people look down on Americans. The reason why our own people are burning the flag is because they don't feel represented. And you say it's disrespectful, but why would politically disenfranchised people care to respect an entity that doesn't respect them?
Loriana Hines I was thinking the same thing. Fox influence showing up.
Loriana Hines You're absolutely right!
I was so disappointed that they didn't even ATTEMPT to address this.
Loriana Hines preach! 🔥 🇺🇸
Loriana Hines it's like what I said upthread, these ladies are not the most politically and socially conscious people much as I find them entertaining.
Notice how every time the panel discusses Trump, a certain somebody just remains quiet with that little suspicious smirk on her face...
Jodi Turnbull ... tamara
Danny Zuko but she isn't quiet...
Danny Zuko and whats the problem if she supports the Donald?
Evelyn Ramirez
Her supporting trump doesn't affect me. Trump becoming president also doesn't affect me. I can't say the same for you, Ramirez.
+Evelyn Ramirez Not long after Trump became president, there was a huge backlash against people of color. Lots of people became concerned about being victims of hate crimes by Trump supporters and eventually having their human rights taken away. If Tamera supports Donald, she's pretty much contributing to the potential oppression of people who look like her. Many people feel that a vote for Trump was essentially a vote for white supremacy and that "Make America great again" really means Make America White Again. As someone who owes a great deal of her career to young black women who supported her career from the beginning, for her to support someone like Trump would be a huge slap in the face to her fans.
We can address how people are "disrespecting" the flag but we aren't going to talk about the ways in which the flag disrespects the people? We love to talk about how people have died for the flag, but are we not going to talk about how people have been killed by this country for the flag too?? Why is that never emphasized in the same degree????
Blind patriotism is the devil.
And side note: If you love America, you will criticize America. That's like letting your bad ass kids continue to be bad because you love them too much to discipline them.
Jennifer Humphries *catches Holy Ghost and throws it*
Jennifer Humphries Yessss!!!!!
This needs to be written on a sacred golden plaque and held in front of the view of EVERY citizen. Beautiful! I hate that you cant criticize anything in this county without issues anymore, people have a right to their opinions. 1st Amendment rights.
Anyone who burns the flag needs to be imprisoned and or loss of citizenship. Burning the flag doesn't equate to freedom of speech you idiot. If it wasn't for this flag, you wont enjoy any freedoms. Go to the middle east or china, and try to burn their flag. It'll be the last time you see daylight.
Jennifer Humphries thank you.
It's not disrespectful. America is disgusting and I am American. It's not even the citizens, but the government and the foundation of the justice system, Constitution, and foundation of the country.
and now Trump uhhhhh Lord
Agreed.
Gabriel Lopez Sorry, government took all my money.
This show is not what it used to be. They all speak in a politically correct way. I am bored.
Haïlié Sélassié 😂😂😂😂
Haïlié Sélassié I agree but I thinks it's because they have more sponsors
exactly. why do you think Tamar was fired by the white people with power , she spoke out to upfront about trump & things that mattered. they want someone like Tamera who makes the white people feel comfortable by holding her tongue or actually agreeing with things that go against everything she "stands for"
this whole segment pissed me off
Haïlié Sélassié theyre using thier influence to try and make a change. they still have fun segments i dont see how we should punish them for talking about something real
We preach Respect the Constitution--but judge those that use their Amendment rights to protest...
How can we tell people how to protest? It's a right...ugh! Not all soldiers are patriotic either. I'm sure a few of them wouldn't mind burning that flag themselves for being forced to fight senseless wars
Leon G The criticism does not matter. Burning the American flag is not a crime. How can one individual tell another how to protest? The flag is burned sweetheart, now what?
Candy Flores Nobody is prohibiting you from going out and protesting. You can go out scream nonsense and walk till your feet hurt! The only thing there asking is for you to respect the flag.
I bet you that if a white person got up Infront of a public and burned the Mexican (or any other Latino countries) flag that you would be extremely offended. There would be an uproar and people would call them racist!
Respect is not a one-way street.
If you want respect, then you better start of by respecting others yourself.
Sheees! Talk about the"my way or the highway" mentality!
Leon G Ummmmm...I'm an avid reader and what you typed just now was not in your original comment. People can criticize all they want. The point I'm making is that people choose to protest how they want. No laws were broken. So, oh well!
Leon G You know what, I know how to end a conversation that's going nowhere because at this point, idek what you're talking about. Have a great weekend and calm down before you pop a blood vessel
I totally understand why it's disrespectful to burn the flag and I would feel the same way is someone burned my country's flag (Kenya).
However, the American flag hasn't always stood for everyone. Minorities in this country have been, and still are disrespected and treated like second class citizens. So when someone is told to be patriotic, and be grateful just for being here when they're marginalized, and discriminated against, they feel disrespected. But to jail someone for burning the flag sounds a little like fascism to me...
Halloooo,, Kenyans in the house !!!
yeeeeh kenya
sharon oguta Ayyyyyee 😋🤗✌
Anny Lemmy Ayyyyyee it's lit
hey guirl !,,,i thought i was a lone for a minute
As a DISABLED VETERAN who proudly defended this country, I am not offended by people exercising their rights as Americans. I fought for that right, not for the flag.
For some reason, we have forgotten that being offended by something is not illegal. They do not have the same meaning. I am more disgusted by the treatment of AMERICAN CITIZENS in 2016 than I am about a piece of cloth. The flag means nothing if the people saluting that flag continue to abuse their sense of "rightness" for those that don't agree. What Trump said was egregious and problematic because of two reasons: (1) He's talking about taking away a basic right to protest that is granted by the constitution; and (2) He has no knowledge of first amendment rights.
I'm not sure why people seem to ignore this fact. Americans have the right to protest. Any suppression of that right must be vehemently denied.
I'm saddened that The Real hosts have such a one-sided view of this. I would hope, we, as Americans, begin to research our beliefs and the laws of this land prior to passing judgement on things that are legal. Everyone has opinions, but most of those opinions are based on pure speculation. Read a book, ladies! Rather, read the constitution...
Thank you fir posting this, I'm getting sickened by many soldiers commenting on other videos threatening violence over flagburning
I honestly don't care if someone burns the flag, the flag is an inanimate object. I care about peoples lives more.
You fail to realize that people gave their life for that flag.
They gave their lives to this country NOT the flag.
+N M They also gave their lives for the right to burn the flag
Andrew Hopkins that would be dumb why would you give your life for a flag?
N M Thank You!
@ 0:18
Jeanie: what an embarrassment
Loni : dumbass
Adrienne: he got some nerve
Tamera: You Go Donald! 😂
France Johnson dang y'all really hate Tamera lol
She disgusts me here. Sorry
France Johnson You hit the nail on the head about Tamera!!Lol!!!!
+*France Johnson* Hilarious! Totally spot on! I love this show at times strictly for the comments!!
im screaminggggggggggggggggggggg
eh sorry but people are more offended by a burning piece of cloth than people losing their actual lives everyday due to discrimination.
stephberri Preach
stephberri Facts
literally said nothing about race
It means more to us than a piece of cloth
stephberri we’re a country of hypocrisy. We say never forget 9/11, but we don’t care about the health / wellbeing of the first-responders. We say we love our soldiers and veterans, but never really give them the best therapy and care after being in a gruesome war. We hold such a high value to the unborn, yet we keep wasting innocent lives. We brag about freedom but the minority are never truly free. The list goes on.
I think the ladies should stay away from topics like this if they're all going to have the same one-sided argument.
I'm shocked that these ladies are really acting like the flag has equally represented everyone and should be respected. I 100% disagree
I agree with you. They have the same mindset of a lot of people their age, people who think everyone is given the same rights. The show is called the real but they're all to scared to tell the truth.
Sumaya yeah cause they're older and wiser. unlike young idiots who've been brainwashed by the media and school.
Omg thanks Michael! Great input! Wow such a valid point there....smh. You're the one being brainwashed into believing everyone is given the same opportunities. But then again I'm the idiot right? Shame on me for being young and having an opinion 😂
Sumayaya how don’t you have the opportunity’s as me? Can you name a few examples for me? Probably not but I’m willing to see some examples
However is not the flag faults but the people who are sitting in power. Why burn the flag....that is disrespectful in so many levels.
Adrienne's remarks about naturalized citizens sums up pretty much all Americans.
Adrienne was so cute with that "where are you gonna deport me to? I was born here!" LOL!!!!! and that darn Jeanie Mai, you better SAY THAT!!! Jeanie always brings the points home and they really resonate with you. Very thought provoking Jeanie...love it!
If Trump is the president of the USA and if the flag represents the USA then I do not respect either of them! THAT MAN makes me ASHAMED to be an American.
YOU CANNOT see the flag that way, it sounds like one of his fits. It represents the past present & future...
Correction for my girl Adrienne: A "naturalized" citizen is someone who has been conferred with U.S. citizenship after legally residing in the U.S. for at least 5 years, studying for and passing an exam, and swearing allegiance to defend the Constitution. This is totally different from someone who is a "natural-born" American citizen.
For this show to be so diverse, this might as well be a panel of white privileged women.
Exactly. WTH 😑
Most white privileged women have money, these diverse women have lots of it which alters their mindset to be under that white women umbrella
@@bubbasvega2316 they can't help what they say lmao in reality they would have said better things but it's not their fault I can't hate lmao
Im American and I wouldnt be offended if another American burned the American flag... idk, i guess im just not that patriotic.
erica 👏👏👏 Me either!! Especially considering the history of this country and that damn flag. They never wanna talk about the real history and what that flag means to minorities. Instead they want us to put ourselves in the position of these racist pro Trump supporters that are in they feelings because we are voicing our rights. They never wanna see things from the protesters point of view instead they want us to accommodate and not offend the white people. Bullshit
Desiree Thomas girl you know they gotta front for Fox or else theyll get the boot like Tamar lmao. but yes i agree! the history of this country is exactly the reason i dont have an attachment to the flag. i think our ancestors had created their own flag at one point because thats how disconnected they felt. I mean, we were considered second class citizens up until just 50-60 years go.
erica Exactly! Lol. I don't like the show anymore. They are so fake now and don't wanna step on anyones toes and they don't wanna offend. I swesr they stay straddling that fence. Smh 😒
Desiree Thomas oh absolutely, theyre trying to keep their jobs lol but at the expense of the interest level of the show.
erica And thats why people have stopped respecting them because they wanna straddle that damn fence. Girl talk is so washed out and they try and talk it up like they really makin a difference.
How about making it illegal to have the confederate flag? worried about the wrong thing.
I mean he acts like this is some type of game where he says something and he immediately expects for that to happen since he is president , however you guys he isn't president yet... I'm sure God will give his behind a good mind-toggle !!!
Myronn Coleman 🙏🏽
Myronn Coleman let's see.
Myronn Coleman he thinks he's an 18th century king or emperor, it's not that simple
He's pulling a bait and switch. He says something inflammatory then, the media bites, and he changes his tactics and says, "oh! I never meant that! You all take me soon literal! See the liberal media is bias against me!" This man is pure trash and I wish that someone would call him to the carpet on his bullcrap before he takes us all down with him.
Well you all were wrong a year ago.. look who’s the president now..
The flag doesn't mean the military tho ...
Obey Amma LOUDER
The official Minecraft creeper RUclips channel u mad
It does means the ones who sacrifice their lives for that flag
U should go fight in battle field rathier let some1 fight 4 u....lol
Bruh. What do you think military members fight for??? That flag and the people under it is who they fight for.
Okay Tamar had her flaws especially when it came to how she treated Jeannie but guys let's be honest she was raw and unfiltered, so she brought realness to this show. Everyone is trying to be politically correct but eeh!! I think sometimes we forget that the show is on FOX channel(the enemy of our progess)...
African Child i was thinking the same....
African Child they're not trying to be poltically correct! They're saying what they believe. It's disrespectful burning a flag!!!
I'm with you
I agree to an extent. They always bring up these topics and then half-ass the discussion. Even though Tamar wasn't my favorite on the show, I can see her value during conversations like these.
Tamar was too dumb to participate in any meaningful way in serious conversations
Adrienne should not talk about politics. Jeannie is so smart
Love the comments section. It shows that there are still logical Americans who know what that flag represents and how it's not inclusive yet. Also, one could burn their country's flag and still be patriotic. These things are not mutually exclusive.
As a veteran, I am proud that our citizens can fly their flag right-side up, upside down, fly it in pride, or burn it in frustration without the fear of prosecution. When citizens peacefully protest without persecution, it proves my sacrifice was not in vein.
Exactly I’m a veteran too and anyone who thinks burning the flag should be illegal is one of the most unpatriotic people in this country
Richard R Smith right on brother. We’re living in a time where our fellow service members have forgotten their oaths. Sad times.
"That damn flag represents the same thing it meant at the beginning" Like pillaging, genocide, and slavery? The fact that there are two black people on this show and this conversation was still one sided is sad.
YEEEEEEESSSSS! All of this! To me it's not just two black women who are on this panel, it's the fact that ALL of them are minorities that are STILL marginalized TO.THIS.DAY!!!!!!! And the fact that ALL of them said you should respect the flag, what it stands for, and not burn it is really sad.
Joshua McCool lol the two black people that are paid by Fox tho.you can't expect much from them
why do ppl think that just because your black you have to have a specific mindset that other ppl that look like you share?
how are they sitting there and talking about flag burning without even discussing the reasons to it? they should cancel all future political topics with these ladies.
ironic that Jeanie said the Flag stood for the same thing it always had but she seems to have forgotten that this flag once represented a country where black people weren't considered human.
"That damn flag represents the same thing it meant in the beginning" In the beginning that flag didn't have the same representation to everyone. To some that flag represents genocide, murder, racism, slavery, pillage, the loss of cultures, and so much more. That flag was never designed to represent "others". You shouldn't try to require me or shame me into respecting a symbol that was never designed for me or anyone with otherness. The flag does not represent military it represent AMERICA. People care to much about respecting a cloth or symbol than they do for those the symbol was never designed to and still does't represent.
Hillary McIntyre omg yes!! But those airheads didn't mention that!
Donald Trump should look up Texas v. Johnson before he starts tweeting with his butterfinger bites sized orange dusty twitter fingers.
lmao! if he say whatever he wants then people should be able to do as they please this is a free country no??
"Free."
Malle F. Gudlawe wtf learn how to spell lmao
Malle F. Gudlawe lmao um u definitely need a chill pill honey relax u need me to call Dr phill?
+Stephanie Mariah Oh wow, a shitty home life must suck. Get off the interwebs and get yourself a book or a few books.
I'm sure when ever Donal is mentioned Tamera's heart starts racing
Amiemie Ya lol stop 😂
God, didn't say to pledge a flag. Sorry. I don't care for the flag because that flag still was here during slavery. End of the fucking story. For the people who are angry about it, just suck it up and move on with life. 💯💯💯
I'm up for an open and healthy conversation about this. I'm by no means patriotic nor of military personel, but I still can't fathom the comprehension of burning flags, bibles, furniture or any other items thereof for the sake of "making a point". It doesn't make any sense to me. Yes, it's not illegal nor do some individuals care about these items, but it truly is about respect. I do agree it's disrespectful to be burning objects with a lot of history tied to it. I'm honestly getting sick and tired of hearing about "free speech". It's mostly used to get away with hurting people. There are different and better ways to get your point across without resulting into such bizarre behaviors.
xAaeiynx amen.
It's more "disrespectful" to not treat your citizens with equal protection and fairness under the law as is the promise of the constitution and the nation itself.
That's why some people burn the flag.
The Flag can't be more important than the people or the things it represents and when people like you make the argument you're making, you're in essence elevating it's importance and meaning above the very real things that those people protesting by burning it are fighting for.
Let's not forget that the flag used to be (and still continues to be) a symbol to oppress and discriminate against people of the same country it purports to protect and represent.
xAaeiynx
RE : "..... I'm fully aware of why they do it, but it's still ridiculous,"
TO YOU it is.
Not to them.
You're looking at it from the perspective of someone who doesn't have to suffer or go through what they go through to make that point that way.
RE : "..... that the need to go THAT far to "make a point"."
Think of how bad your life must get for you to believe that the only way to get society to pay attention to your plight is to burn the flag.
You're judging these people from the vantage point of never having to fear going through what they do through or understand life from their perspective.
The fact that it upsets you and people like you so much to see the flag burns means that it's an effective method of achieving their purpose.
Seeing their sons and daughters murdered by cops and gun-toting vigilantes and not getting any justice isn't enough.
So what should they do?
Just keep burying their children and continue to suffer in silence and say, "Thank you Massah. Can I have some more?"
I mean, come on.
RE :"It's like burning another human being merely 'cause you're fighting for a cause because it's your belief. "
No, actually it's not, and that's a TERRIBLE analogy.
A Human being is a LIFE.
A Flag is an object.
One that is without any meaning if we don't give it so.
RE : >>>" I'm happy to treat you with you respect, but if you need to burn things to the ground, to get my attention, it's a deeper issue."
Again, if you can't consider for a moment what a person or persons have to go through to get to the point where they feel this is the only way they can get society to pay attention to their plight much less address it, then there's not much I can say in this that can convince you as you are utterly without any empathy.
RE : >>>"My perspective is it's a disgusting thing to do."
To YOU...
A person who can afford the luxury of saying so and feeling so.
RE: >>>" You're taking things that aren't your's to burn them. ""
People who usually burn flags typicaly burn their OWN flags which they've bought with their own money.
An act which the Supreme Court of the United States ruled was completely LEGAL and protected by the Constitution as a form of free speech and protest.
Cbricklyne You act as though I have zero problems. I don't see how throwing a hissy fit changes anything. That's what I see. I understand the problems, and it's OK to perform self defense, but I don't view burning anything as a self defense act. As far as IK I don't see any legitimate reasons to be burning anything, undermining anything for anything.
You're speaking to me as if I've wronged you, and you're alienating me, everything you're fighting against. It's the same 'ol same 'ol "well, you don't understand" merely 'cause I simply disagree with the way it's being handled.
Do what you need to do to survive, but I honestly think it's too much attention seeking, something I never want. I survive by going underneath the radar, not running into it.
Yes, to me, that's the whole point, and you continue to berate me about it, that I shouldn't be feeling this way because you're doing it for a reason, and you will continue to do so, no matter what I say. To me, you're still disrespecting me to which I can't be bothered with such people.
You'd rather burn objects because it's "lifeless", to me, you seem to not respect somebody's own point of view on it making it a disrespectable notion. To which I cannot stand behind. It's a wrong trying to correct a wrong and evidently, nothing good comes from it but more violence.
xAaeiynx
Let's just agree to disagree.
We're never going to see this in the same way because you're never going to understand (nor do you want to nor are you willing to) what it's like to walk in this world or live in this country as a black person or a person who doesn't look like you.
How you suddenly became the victim in all this (when there are people actually losing their children) is beyond me, but hey, I guess that's white privilege for you.
Remember Donald also said women should be punished for an abortion.
Allowing abortion doesn't mean you agree with or even have an opinion on it. I'm a man and I think I should never have an opinion on what a woman wants to do with her baby, unless i'm the father.
If you don't pay for that baby's food, if you don't plan on raising him, or pay his college tuition, then you don't have any rights to talk about somebody's decision to abort. Thats just forcing your religious beliefs on somebody you don't even know and won't even remember.
Catherine Heart Murder? Of... No its not a life yet. Thats the point, you terminate it BEFOREHAND. But let me ask you, have you ever adopted a child? Will you?
Catherine Heart My thing is, so many pro life people are quick to voice their opinion but rarely adopt. You know how many mentally ill, traumatized, etc kids are in foster homes because their parents chose to have them and not take care of them. Why keep adding on that number? Humans do a lot worse to others, and other species but you guys fuss because a woman terminates an unborn life. Possibly saving it...
+Catherine Heart Do you see the hypocrisy of your comment? You are saying that you do not "intend" to give birth, which denotes your CHOICE yet, you want to strip another woman of her choice to choose the same thing.
People like you who are against abortions don't take into account the different types and ways that people become pregnant. Not every woman is having consensual sex, some are raped. Not every woman is going to be giving birth to this "healthy" and "beautiful" baby that everyone always alludes to when it comes to counterarguments about abortion and pregnancy, sometimes a child will be condemned to struggle for the rest of their life. Likewise, not every woman is going to have a healthy pregnancy or can even handle pregnancy, there are women who aren't able to carry the child to term and therefore must terminate a pregnancy and sometimes a woman who isn't mentally stable can jeopardize the child's life in the long run if she gives birth.
Pro-lifers use such a blanketed definition of abortion without thinking about case by case analysis. There is no "one size fits all" solution for abortion. I can't tell you what's good for your body as a woman nor, can you tell me what is good for myself as a woman. If you don't like abortion, don't get one. There's no need to muddle in others affair.
The red on the flag stands for the blood of my indigenous people spilt in the claiming of this land
The blue stands for the coldness of the white mans heart
The white stands for the white supremacy that this country was founded on
- Russel Means (RIP 🙏🏽)
You hit the nail on the head Jeanie. The flag represents the same thing that it did in the beginning, which is why everyone at the table should understand why it's okay that it is being burned.
BURNING THE FLAG is a form of protest. I would never do it but you can do it as you feel necessary. You can't take away that right regardless.
If it's something that sparks change, then so be it.
I don't believe in flag burning generally, but if I were a war veteran, coming back to this country after losing my arm in war and becoming homeless and not receiving treatment for my condition, or if my unarmed family member were killed by the police and the media tried to vilify my family and the police officer is acquitted, my opinion might be different. There are so many people who are doing more time in jail for committing the same crimes as their white counterparts who may never even get to see the inside of a jail after committing the same crime. There are innocent young black and latino men in jail right now who are being targeted by law enforcement in low-income communities because they don't have the means to afford a proper attorney to represent them. Look at what's happening to indigenous communities in North Dakota who are fighting that pipeline and the people of Flint Michigan who STILL don't have clean water! And the list goes on.
These ladies are such a disappointment.
The whole flag itself is said to represent freedom.
Going back to what Jeannie said about the Vietnamese flag in regards to the old one: You can't represent the old flag because the new one is what's in place and represents their communism and you will face the consequences. You can't represent what's not in place. And I feel that's kind of similar to people burning the flag. They're burning something that isn't really there, freedom.
People are burning the American flag because they feel like they do not have the freedom that they are said to have the rights too. They're burning the misrepresentation. I don't think people really consider the veterans and the current soldiers when burning the flag because at the end of the day they are still fighting for us REGARDLESS OF who is in power and I think it's common sense to respect them (At least it should be).
This country from the day it became a nation was BUILT for the rich, the white, and the men of those two upbringings. That is why Donald Trump is offended. They're burning HIS country. Not the black's country, not the women's country, not the children's country, not the soldier's country, HIS.
I don't know TBH.
I'm surprised of their answers.
I wouldn't care who burns the flag...whether they were from here or not
Adrienne.....that's not what naturalized citizen means. Girl....you always be getting things wrong, I swear. SMH
Tamera owning the holiday look! 😍🙌
No. it's freedom of speech.
I feel like they completely neglected talking about why people are burning the flag.
Great point.
The Real need to sit with those not acknowledging this flag and see why...this is a very one sided panel.
proud war veteran here my opinion is that I represented freedom in all forms including expression. I did join for a flag. burning the flag is the greatest right and freedom a citizen could have. yes to many it's a symbol but please consider that taking that right away is like telling someone that they do not have the right to express grievances against your government that is supposed to represent and uphold the rights granted by the Constitution, the founding document of a free nation.
When Adrianne said how would you feel if someone not from this country burned the flag, it just made me think of people making the argument that if you aren't from this country you can't burn the flag but if you are you can. It's like the whole argument with the n word. Either everyone can or no one should. Both are disrespectful to certain people and while you have the right, it doesn't mean you should.
It used to frighten me to see people in other countries burning the US flag, but then I educated myself on America's policies and how they affect people in other countries. I use to think that those people were burning the US flag because of blind hatred of the States, but once you learn how America operates, then you'll understand where the anger is coming from.
The flag doesn't represent the president, it represents our country. Don't hate on our flag
absolutely should be illegal.
Yes that flag does represent the same thing it did in the beginning, "freedom for some" that's why I totally agree with burning the flag. It has never represented EVERYONE and the principles that founded this country are against us.
Jasmine 168977 yes people have died. 4 million slaves, an undetermined number of native Americans, all in the name of America. And for all the service men, I appreciate their service. However they are fighting conflicts that American greed incited. If America didn't feel the need to take other countries resources, none of those men and women would've had to die.
agreed
Maybe it's because I'm Canadian and "flag burning" isn't really as big an issue here as it seems to be in the US, or at least not so much that I've noticed, I honestly don't see it as a big deal. It's just a piece of fabric. Yes, it's disrespectful, but it shouldn't be illegal. Let people do what they want to do. Burning a piece of fabric with a country's flag is literally not hurting anyone. The most it would do is anger some people who are overly patriotic. If I saw someone burning the Canadian flag is public, I'd probably say, "..What the hell? That's pretty rude", and then I would go on about my day. But I certainly would not feel that that person would deserve to have their citizenship stripped of them or that they belong in jail. If people are angry at their country and the way they choose to express that anger is through burning the country's flag, you have to admit that's pretty harmless.
Ladies leave these topics for The view😒y'all not the ones to bring it up TAMERA
alina love why are y'all punishing her for her husbands beliefs??
alina love especially Tamera her opinions are trash on this stuff
Whitney Jones you are trash
alina love I think they good good jennie is amazing and so educated
Dear Adrienne, a naturalized citizen does not mean someone that was "naturally born in this country" it's actually the opposite. A naturalized citizen is an immigrant who has been granted citizenship. Just FYI 😘
Love you Adrienne but I think you meant to say Natural born citizen. Naturalized citizen is someone who is born outside of US soil but is made a US citizen after meeting criteria set by the Congress.
Why are people acting like protest is supposed to be respectful?
Sorry, nope. Our country was founded on the freedom to protest and the ability to question and oppose, as we see fit. Unless I say that I don't support the military, flag burning or taking a knee, etc, etc. has nothing to do with that.
burning a nation's flag is SUPER DISRESPECTFUL...
How many states are there, quick? Who won the civil war, quick? What r the three branches of government, quick? What is habeas corpus, quick? If you can answer any of these questions , I won't ridicule you for writing that bs.
anne weber interesting... pls what brought u to reply to the bs... pls leave 'Questionnaire'... RUclips is large enough for u to pitch ur comment else.. you can't shut me up... bye👋
ESTHER QUEEN na.burning an innocent black man alive is disrespectful
Preach Jeannie! With Tamar gone I love Jeannie gets to have a strong voice and always drops those nuggets of wisdom!
The irony of it all. The us army fights for our rights to be able to protect our freedom, such as the 1st amendment and to be able to burn the flag, legally. So as much as you may disagree and be offended, the 1st amendment is there to protect everyone, and all voices of expression. Burning the flag may mean something different from person A to person Z. To equate all flag burning as a sign of anger, is also an overall assumption or generalization. So if this show is about equality and diversity - shouldn't it be recognized? The main issues is not why, but a matter of when Donald Trump will execute orders for oppression and neo facism. Keep in mind he's not even in office yet, imagine the power that will be given to him on day 1.
I come here to escape politics after all this election madness and here it is again :(
Thank you ladies. I really appreciate you standing for the 1st amendment while also standing for America.
the flag represents all this freedom, but it also represents this country's history of racism, bigotry, sexism etc. the flag may stand for hope to some, but it also represents pain for others. to the people still being targeted in the name of this great nation, I'm sure watching the red white and blue burn gives them some sort of solace
AlizabelleP well they can leave and quit leaching off the prosperity and safety America provides them.
Michael Eaton where should the gays and blacks that were born in the USA and knows nothing but this country go?
Exactly!! Thank you! I say butn it up and through national anthem in the fire too😑😑🤔
Michael Eaton or they can STAY since their have that "freedom" to choose
@@MegaCadette55 but why would they STAY if there not safe?
You can't be real and politically correct. ALSO where are the different perspectives on this show? They agree on damn near everything!
Adrienne's comment was so real: Where are you sending me to and who's taking us? 😂😂😅
"I was born here! Where are you sending me?!" Lmao.
I find it funny that some people are saying that Tamera doesn't speak her mind now, well then clearly you weren't watching the show from the trial run. She never had a real opinion, always straddling the fence, even before the show, she was like this.
I love when it is just the original hosts not any guest stars Idk why
i just loved adrienne's reaction at the end...she makes me laugh! "where you gone deport me to?!"
Adrienne at the end has me laughing so hard!!!! looooool
Loni looks so pretty
Soldiers don't fight for the flag.
They fight for what the flag represents.
Take away what it represents (including the freedom to burn it or not stand when the anthem is played) and it's a meaningless piece of cloth.
Imbue into it more than it actually is and it's likewise a meaningless hollow symbol.
Cbricklyne 🙏🏾🙌🏾👏🏾
Cbricklyne Yes, that is obvious but the point they're making is that the people who are burning the flag aren't just burning "a piece of cloth." They are burning what the flag represents because they are fed up & frustrated. So even though the flag is just a flag, it was made with the intent to represent something. If you negate the symbolic representation of the flag it would simply fail to exist.
Excellent thank you @cbriklyne
I got told when I was little that if a flag touched the ground have. To burn it
I love this hairstyle on Tamera! Braids are simple and cute!
Poor Adrienne, she meant well by what she attempted to say - but got the terms Natural-born Citizen & Natrualized Citizen mixed up.
However, are we just going to ignore the fact that President-elect Trump automatically assumed the protestors burning the flag weren't Natural-born Citizens? I was more offended at his assumption - as appose to what he actually said. You can teach an elder our amendments, but unfortunately you cannot train their brains to function differently. He'll never change his racist mindset.
Jeannie's story about Vietnam gave me chills
Burning the flag should be frowned upon. These girls are completely right. Patriotic citizens!
Punishing someone for disrespecting the government in terms of freedom of speech/expression is beyond authoritarian. We should be able to burn flags, call out our government, and question our government all we want! That's a way of holding our government accountable for any screwed up things they may do. I dont care how hurt anyone's feelings get, because we hold that right within our Constitution, and we are lucky enough to do so! Whereas in some other countries that don't have freedom of speech, you'll get killed. A true patriot will take advantage of their first amendment rights.
Not condemning a single person for burning the flag.. AND I'm American.. more importantly African American.. blessed to be free yes but once upon a time my people weren't. Long story short the flag doesn't represent my people much. I wouldn't burn a flag but I'm not side eyeing people who do it either.
I can just listen to Jeannie talk all day
I wouldn't be offended if someone outside the USA burned the flag. Adrienne and Tamera please speak for yourselves.
whoever wrote the prediction in the teaser on what the hosts would say deserves an award!
Like it or not. There are people in America (born) that feels the American Flag does not represent them. There are thousands of Veterans not properly taken care of in this country. We see the commercials for this all the time. The KKK and similar groups wave the flag and the bible around as a mascot for their cause..if burning a flag should be illegal..its my opinion that hate groups waving the flag around should also be criminalized. Respect is Earned.
Oh by the way ... I know Im not the only one that wouldve love to hear what Tamar had to say. I miss her personality on this show
Okay, I adore these ladies. Just found them, and I'm in love! I love how they had a calm, respectful, but still very passionate discussion of a very touchey issue.
I think if flag burning is made illegal, the level of punishment should be similar to that of defacing public/private property (like graffiti).
I just have one question for Americans ( and I'm honestly curious ) how is your military "fighting FOR your country" when they are going abroad meddling in other countries' businesses ? Because I always here Americans say "I want to thank our military for defending our country" but I really don't understand this statement because no one is attacking America ! It's literally America that is choosing to go fight others conflicts ( and please don't say that they are bringing democracy because we all know that's just an excuse to take the wealth of other nations)
I dont think you understand how an empire works
y'all act like america is really great. don't y'all know alot of people look down at america..
Aïcha so that means u should hate it to? Foreigners don’t like America so that justifies burning your own nations flag?
Aïcha hell the entire world looks down on America.
While I do think burning a flag is extra and a bit disrespectful, I think some people make it a bigger deal than it is.
"Who's taking us?!?"
We'll take you 🇨🇦
Breaking Alabaster Bruh✊ Just yes lmao
Whatu meaan tho lost of citizenship? Where u be deporting me boy byeee
So is he gone deport Dylan Roofe oooorrr...?
These ladies thinking they're the only country that have freedom of speech 😂😂😂😂 the ignorance is real.
3:53 "That damn flag represents the same thing it meant at the very beginning". Yes Jeannie it represented; Imperialism, Slavery, Colonization, Genocide, ETC. These things were all done at the beginning and are still happening so your right on that.
Yo Jeannie is so profound! Keep her! Don't let her go anywhere! I enjoy her so much
it's just a flag be more concerned with the way minorities are treated and why people feel the need to burn it. I feel the host are too politically correct at times, rarely I miss Tamar but she would have spoken up about it.
Actually Adrienne, a naturalized citizen is someone who was NOT born in a particular country but became a citizen of that country.
"Where they gonna deport me? "😂😂lmao