@Senna_Grillo 12 It's his fault too but in these situations I more blame the coaches, trainers, GM, medical,...It's their job to take him out of the game. Similar to RGIII when he was in Washington. If I could give a % it would be 60-40 Team/Player blame.
True, but keep in mind, this was Skip’s show and he went out a got Shannon as his counterpart. Shannon has mentioned several times how appreciative he is to Skip for given him this role. That said, Shannon is right a lot more often than skip, other than in his view of LaBron relative to MJ.
Skip will forever blame Odell. Its interesting how he wasn't a problem for Stafford, though. Odell had a legitimate shot of being Super Bowl MVP before getting injured. Stafford and the offense struggled once Odell went out by turning it over twice and having several three and outs.
They're willing to go all in for someone that may not even be able to play. That says all you need to know. No argument whatsoever. Idk why Skip is dying on this hill for Baker lol
@@JordanRA Browns were a terrible football team this year. I'm a Browns fan. I watched every snap. Run the film vs the Chargers, and tell me we loss cuz of Baker. Run the film vs the Chiefs, when you have guys like Chubb fumbling and Schwartz dropping 3rd and 9 passes. Run the tape vs the Steelers at home, you got Jarvis fumbling, Jarvis dropping and odell quitting midway in the air, trying to catch a catchable ball. LOL. The ones that think baker is sooo bad, ya'll are just casuals really. We were a terrible team this year and baker got framed. Ya'll should compare Baker's QBR to his team's defensive rankings, tell me who ranked higher every year, then try and tell me that the Browns were just a quarterback away from winning the Super Bowl LOL. All ya'll are clowns just like our front office for doing this trade. We're no closer to a super bowl than we were with Baker, and if Deshaun doesn't win us one, then we'll be the biggest losers of this all.
Shannon: "He publicly humiliated them with his play" 💀💀😂😂 This is the weirdest, most awful hill to die on Skip. Baker is bad, let's just be honest with ourselves.
@@S51121 I'll concede that, but in terms of like, all the rest of the starting QBs maybe minus Danny Dimes or Darnold, I think he's down there. Maybe on a certain team he could be good enough but he really needs to shore up the wild throws/plays. Reminds me a lot of Carson Wentz actually 😂
@@JordanRA hes probably top 20 he had a down year but if you really look around the league theres alot of questionable qbs and atleast hes had success before , the problem is right now the top like 5-10 guys are pretty far from the rest of the pack , seattle, saints, giants, lions, texans, jets, pathers, bears, falcons, washington, miami, colts, and too a lesser extent jags , ten and sf look at the starting qbs for all of those teams and you could make an argument for baker over them imo, im not saying hes better then them all but im just saying hes forsure in that pack and if he can bounce back i wouldnt be suprised too see him do very well, look at goff his first year under mcvay totally changed his career. Skip is overboard but alot of people think bakers trash and thats just not true
He didn't "light it up" in Pittsburgh, Steelers turned ball over 5 times. Baker had decent stats with 3tds but one was a screen to Clubb he took to the house. I think browns def scored too.
This is how he functions. See how he slurped manziel, how he only mentions tebows rookie games or his 8-8 year that was miraculous. If you have skip in your corner, you have someone who will love you hard lol
This is by far the worst hill he has ever been willing to die on 😂. I don't understand how there's any argument here. The Browns wanted a guy with 22 civil law suits against him over Baker 🤦♂️
Wait a minute: Skip doesn't care about "what you've done or not done" but every chance he gets, he mentions Mayfield's 11-game run from a couple of years ago. Dude is all over the place.
“I don’t care how many you’ve won or haven’t won” but then goes on to say but “what I do care about is how many times you haven’t delivered in the playoffs”🤣🤣 skip is sum else man
Baker is a classic example of a player thinking he’s better than what he actually is. If you have that mindset in professional sports you best have the talent to back it up or your career can be drastically changed
I love how Skip just glosses over the fact that Josh Allen was in Bakers draft class. Baker is just an average QB yet Skip defends him just because he has praised and hyped him ever since he came into the league
Too prideful I guess. Just admit he's average and move on Skip, this isn't a hill worth dying on lol. Josh Allen is so incredibly better than Baker too. At least Shannon brought it up, but Skip just kinda passed it off 😂
Nah he dodged that better than a boxer. He mentioned Lamar getting drafted. Then Shannon says Allen and Skip says “Im talking about the QBs that went after Baker”…….WHAT! Allen did go after Baker 😂😂😂 Skip is a TERRIBLE debater, the funny thing is legitimately thinks he wins EVERY debate. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
It was the combination of Joe Burrow and OBJ's success that were the final straw for Baker with the Browns. Management saw that and internally said he's not the guy. In the NFL, you cannot draw too much negativity towards yourself and then don't ball. Injury or not; you on the field. Baker is being publicly humbled and to a man; we all kind of go thru that in life but not in public settings.
@@davidorwig1547 Joe Burrow had an ACL injury, which is unplayable for a mobile QB. Your comparison is not a good one. Baker is not that good of a QB; more trouble then he is worth.
@@swizzmbaye so he is so good he will make it back to the superbowl next year huh ,well we will see what NFL defenses have to say about that won't we anytime qb has a great season they come after him we will see if they take him out again, even the great Tom Brady got his knee ruined for a season!!!
Very True…The system is being put to use and adequately I might say to the seemingly dislike of many folks! Definitely the owner of the Texans and his next neighbor who happens to be the one bringing these charges against Deshawn Watson! Any chance of some kind of cahoot going on with members of the Old Fashion Good Ole Boys Club again right before our eyes?
Skip's doesn't seem to realize that his opinion, and who he "wants" simply doesn't matter and is irrelevant to any discussion. He also seems to not understand that teams do not pursue upgrades at all positions all the time - no , they pursue upgrades when they are NOT happy with a position. The Browns were not happy with Mayfield PERIOD !!!!
“I don’t care what you’ve done, or not done. I just know Aaron Rodgers hasn’t…” How does Shannon not call him out for literally contradicting himself from one sentence to the next. It wasn’t a slip of the tongue.
During that 8-3 run, IIRC the Browns won 2 games against teams with winning record, went 3-3 overall that season against winning teams. Career wise he's 7-19 against teams that ended with winning records.
Skip stays contradicting himself. He is blatantly scared that Mayfield might be a bust. He went from “Baker will change life/he is a franchise QB” to “I just said he was better than Sam Darnold”. 😂😂😂
I guess the Browns didn’t want to roll the dice on a quarterback coming off shoulder surgery amongst other ailments. I never understood why he kept going out there or why management didn’t hold him out with all the injuries….(if they truly thought of him as a franchise QB)? He was horrible in most of the games and the one game he sat out they won without him. It would have been interesting to see him have a healthy season to see if he would have continued his success.
I’m a Browns fan, and in all honesty, that Vikings game, the Ravens game when the defense got 4 INTS, the Packers game and watching the playoff games this past season (especially the wildcard and divisional rounds) showed and proved that even with a healthy Baker, they wouldn’t be able to win in the postseason, let alone the SuperBowl. But the NFL is a business, and teams are always looking to upgrade several positions every year. And the Browns got a ultra rare opportunity to grab and finally solidified the QB position (and yes I know, they passed up on numerous QB’s that turned out very good or HOF lvl).
Here's the thing watson is not going to be the quarterback he used to be, you all are going to regret this move, and I'm laughing at yall, because I'm a bills fan
@@clintholt563 yeah but, he's still a young player developing, he's not a veteran, he's been through a lot mentally, physical attributes will be ok, but I promise you, you're going to see a bunch of inaccurate throws, he's going to be like a Lamar Jackson type, who runs first throws second
@@drewcraig4167 he’s never been a Lamar Jackson type lol dude is extremely accurate his last season he played he led the league in completion percentage at 70 percent and it wasn’t all short passes either as he threw for 8.5 yards per attempt
My little sister could of won that game in Pittsburgh after how terrible they started it’s like they wanted to see how hard they could make it on themselves and went all in
Skips used Odell narratives to try and hype Baker. And now he’s using Watson to try and ease Baker. Skip will use anything to support his argument in an attempt to win.
I mean it’s not just the 11 games he had a great rookie year and broke the rookie touchdown record (at the time) and he started week 3 or 4. Not saying baker is GREAT but he’s definitely not BAD. Having a new offensive coordinater and head coach every year doesn’t help either
Skip in his rant about how he was right about OB's not being "the man" that shannon liked, he forgot to mention how he also predicted that Patrick Mahomes could turn out to be the best QB in his draft class.
@@JayGotJuice216 Eh after the first two drives the defense played well Offense couldn't do anything the entire game though, against a defense that the Bucs torched
Shannon's not wrong in Baker performing poorly last season, but neither is Skip on Baker's injury hindering his playmaker ability. I had no doubt prior to Baker getting injured that he was gonna take the next step at the beginning of the 2021 season. It's a damn shame this is how it's gonna end for him in Cleveland. This is the type of guy that deserves a parade for what he's done for a city, unlike Stafford in Detroit (who BTW STILL has Lions fans support *despite* quitting on the team 🤦🏾♂️)
Skip ... CONTENT and EXCITEMENT are two different things. Being CONTENT on Baker Mayfield being there and being EXCITED that Deshaun is coming are vastly different.
Baker overplayed his hand thinking he had enough popularity to disregard the fans. A scary thought is if my Panthers get Baker when we could've got Watson.
@@magdabrownis265 have you seen their career stats? And Josh Allen has greatly improved his accuracy while being faster, bigger with a stronger Arm than Baker. That's close to 10x. Sad that the Browns wanted Watson
I’ve never seen skip stick by someone like this other than Tebow; of course Tom but atleast Tom earned it. He just can’t except that Baker isn’t good; people don’t realize how stacked Cleveland’s roster really was the last 3 years. With a top 10’qb they could have been a contender
He chose the Browns because they have a good offensive line they have a great run game they have a good coach dead loyal fans and they paid him the most
I think the Browns did a terrible thing in letting Baker play with a MAJOR injury. They might have just ruined his career by doing so. They knew it so they got desperate to replace him before they got held accountable for it.
7:27 I saw Lamar coming & *I SAW* an opportunity for Dave Gettleman to trade *BACK INTO* the 1st round to get him via New England. It's a shame he saved that move for a cornerback the following draft. SMH. Could've had Saquon AND Lamar. 💯
I've heard skip talk about those 11 games and the 40 throws his rookie year so damn much that when I'm 90 and maybe have dementia or alzhiemers all I'm gonna be consciencly muttering the only thing I have remembered out of the entirety of my whole life will be " when O'Dell got injured at my bengals stadium baker Mayfield went on a tear, and went 8-3 in a 11 game stretch and was ranked 4th among qbs in that stretch, and his rookie year! My God skip just stop bro he's at the back of the pack! I'm a die hard bengal fan and I'm telling ya I'd love to see that guy stay in Cleveland! The league knows he was know real threat
How did a guy who wanted an extension over play his hand? The Browns investigation went on for 5 months into Deshaun Watson. Baker only asked for a trade recently. Baker was played more than you know. Is Baker worth $30 million probably not. But the Browns were looking to trade Baker long before he asked for a trade.
Idk why skip kept trying to bring up that no team was willing to go all in for deshaun watson in this topic. If anything that hurts his argument that Baker is a quality qb. You don't go all-in for a qb if you already got a good qb.
Shannon is far too biased against Baker. If Baker would have led Cleveland to a SuperBowl victory last season Shannon would still be saying that Baker will never win a SuperBowl. Watson is one career ending injury away from making Cleveland look like the biggest bunch of fools to ever run an NFL franchise.
Why does Skip continuously do this lol there were PLENTY of people who thought Baker was better than Rosen and Darnold. Dude was the reigning Heisman trophy winner.
This argument is very pointless tstl. First you might not even see Deshaun for another 2 years maybe, or a year and a half at the least. What are they going to do with Mayfield? They better hold on to Mayfield because who else is going to play if this kid don't play for the first year and a half? Who's going to come to Cleveland and fill that gap for a year and a half? This might be good for entertainment, but the reality of this argument is not based on much. Cleveland is in a big time mess here. All anyone can see right now is Deshaun getting paid, on or off the field.
Not defending any of the Quarterbacks they are talking about here, just find it interesting that Baker and Lamarr (last year) got so much negative attention for not winning a playoff game, meanwhile Carson Wentz the number #2 overall pick in 2016 only gets talked about when he's on a winning team
If brown are willing to deal with watson legal and pr issues instead of keeping baker it really makes you think because if baker played elite or even top 15 deshaun never comes into the conversation so it's his fault for not doing his work
I’ve never seen a show talk about a free agent as much as they talk about Baker Mayfield. Literally everyday they find some way to talk about him. Skip Bayless is also just delusional & have a man crush on Baker😂😂😂
2 damning stats for Baker: Browns are 0-25 when trailing by 8+ points at any point in the game Baker leads the league in interceptions since he's been drafted End of discussion, says all you need to know
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"He publicly humiliated them with his play" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Senna_Grillo 12 I don't think Baker talked too much about his injury, he just SUCKED this season and it was not just his labrum.
@Senna_Grillo 12 It's his fault too but in these situations I more blame the coaches, trainers, GM, medical,...It's their job to take him out of the game. Similar to RGIII when he was in Washington. If I could give a % it would be 60-40 Team/Player blame.
I was at my desk & dam near screamed 😂😂😂😂😂
That's funny. Before Baker no one talked about the Browns at all. They were terrible before Baker and they'll be sorry without him.
Im over here crying looking at these old videos. Unc the goat😂😂😂
Baker over played his hand by forcing them to move "Odell", Then he couldn't produce any wins... Odell winning a "SUPER BOWL!" Was the last straw!
Wait why was super bowl in parentheses
Odell didn’t win anything. That’s like saying Byron Leftwitch won a super bowl in 2010. Sure, technically he did, but he had nothing to do with it.
@@polumathes9729 lol he literally scored a TD that they needed.
@@abbycaron2198 literally lol 😆 I don't think that person watched the game.
@@abbycaron2198 He was killing in Tampa too
The patience Shannon shows daily while dealing with skip should applauded
I say that every show lol
True, but keep in mind, this was Skip’s show and he went out a got Shannon as his counterpart. Shannon has mentioned several times how appreciative he is to Skip for given him this role. That said, Shannon is right a lot more often than skip, other than in his view of LaBron relative to MJ.
👏 👏 👏 👏
Give him Will’s Oscar.
Big facts
Skip will forever blame Odell. Its interesting how he wasn't a problem for Stafford, though. Odell had a legitimate shot of being Super Bowl MVP before getting injured. Stafford and the offense struggled once Odell went out by turning it over twice and having several three and outs.
Skip definitely tried to to push the narrative that Odell was the problem when Stafford started throwing more INT when Odell got there
Cooper Kupp getting doubled all day that’s what frees up beckham
But odell was the problem bc he didn’t wanted to be in Cleveland 😂😂 and that’s a simple fact …who wants to be in Cleveland anyways
Skip is going to blame Baker if Odell goes Tampa.
@@Janny890 nah skip be happy to have 2 qbs he likes on the same team beside baker can used that to keep learning and let his injuries heal properly
If deshaun has 22 civil suits against him and the browns still take him over baker what does that say about baker 🤔 skip has no argument here
They're willing to go all in for someone that may not even be able to play. That says all you need to know. No argument whatsoever. Idk why Skip is dying on this hill for Baker lol
@@JordanRA Browns were a terrible football team this year. I'm a Browns fan. I watched every snap. Run the film vs the Chargers, and tell me we loss cuz of Baker. Run the film vs the Chiefs, when you have guys like Chubb fumbling and Schwartz dropping 3rd and 9 passes. Run the tape vs the Steelers at home, you got Jarvis fumbling, Jarvis dropping and odell quitting midway in the air, trying to catch a catchable ball. LOL. The ones that think baker is sooo bad, ya'll are just casuals really. We were a terrible team this year and baker got framed. Ya'll should compare Baker's QBR to his team's defensive rankings, tell me who ranked higher every year, then try and tell me that the Browns were just a quarterback away from winning the Super Bowl LOL. All ya'll are clowns just like our front office for doing this trade. We're no closer to a super bowl than we were with Baker, and if Deshaun doesn't win us one, then we'll be the biggest losers of this all.
@@tjbaby0 None of those guys making mistakes were number one overall picks
Facts 👌
Says more about the lack of morals of the Browns tbh.
Skip is hurting right now 😂
Crying on the inside. Skip soul hurt
He's mortally wounded 👍
Shannon: "He publicly humiliated them with his play" 💀💀😂😂
This is the weirdest, most awful hill to die on Skip. Baker is bad, let's just be honest with ourselves.
The thing is Baker can totally be a starter. It's just Skip be saying he can be as good as Deshaun or top 10..
I think Baker could be a game manager QB for a good team. But Skip thinking he’s like the next coming of Steve Young or something is beyond me
@@S51121 I'll concede that, but in terms of like, all the rest of the starting QBs maybe minus Danny Dimes or Darnold, I think he's down there. Maybe on a certain team he could be good enough but he really needs to shore up the wild throws/plays. Reminds me a lot of Carson Wentz actually 😂
Skip is just a homer. Remember how long he was on the Jay cutler bandwagon for no other reason than he was from vanderbilt?
@@JordanRA hes probably top 20 he had a down year but if you really look around the league theres alot of questionable qbs and atleast hes had success before , the problem is right now the top like 5-10 guys are pretty far from the rest of the pack , seattle, saints, giants, lions, texans, jets, pathers, bears, falcons, washington, miami, colts, and too a lesser extent jags , ten and sf look at the starting qbs for all of those teams and you could make an argument for baker over them imo, im not saying hes better then them all but im just saying hes forsure in that pack and if he can bounce back i wouldnt be suprised too see him do very well, look at goff his first year under mcvay totally changed his career. Skip is overboard but alot of people think bakers trash and thats just not true
He didn't "light it up" in Pittsburgh, Steelers turned ball over 5 times. Baker had decent stats with 3tds but one was a screen to Clubb he took to the house. I think browns def scored too.
Yea. Steelers handed them the game in the first quarter. 28-0 after they turned it over 3 times i believe all in their own territory
But he was the qb that helped him win
Chubber Lane
@@jameshollister8294 the browns would’ve won with you at qb that day
@@zachkim4 facts
The amount of times I've seen Shannon catch Skip lying its crazy smh.
It’s def crazy how this clown is trying to lie about nfl contracts in front of a former nfl player 😂😂😂
I just want someone to believe in me like Skip believes in Baker… Because he makes all the excuses for that overrated bum
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
lol
Skip is gonna mention that 8-3 run EVERY single time 😭😭
And always brings up some random pro football focus stat too.
And ""Big Time Throws "
This is how he functions. See how he slurped manziel, how he only mentions tebows rookie games or his 8-8 year that was miraculous. If you have skip in your corner, you have someone who will love you hard lol
Tim Tebow in Denver all over again 🙄 cherry picking one good run, erasing all the awfulness around it and bring up the ONE good run for years on end.
6 MONTHS LATER.......HE STILL DUZ, IZ THIS GOOFBALL IZ EMBARRASSING AND BUTTHURT😩
Shannon should've hit skip with that "Sam Darnold has a job" line again 🤣
That one hurt Skip last week 🤣
He should've. My god that joint was funny.
Skip is a clown on his take 😂
This is by far the worst hill he has ever been willing to die on 😂. I don't understand how there's any argument here. The Browns wanted a guy with 22 civil law suits against him over Baker 🤦♂️
Baker is Manziel 2.0 without the off field problems
No he's mark Sanchez
Dang...Not Manziel 2
0😆
I wouldn't call him manziel, Baker at least lasted more than a season
He does have off field issues look at his arrests
Manziel had a record of 3-11 as a starter. Anybody that says Mayfield and Manziel are on the same level thinks with emotion instead of reason.
Just like Baker needs to update his resume, Skip needs to do the same🤷🏾♂️
“40 big time throws””last 11 games of 2020”
He never has any new arguments about Baker and always makes it about Deshawn Watson.
Wait a minute: Skip doesn't care about "what you've done or not done" but every chance he gets, he mentions Mayfield's 11-game run from a couple of years ago. Dude is all over the place.
“I don’t care how many you’ve won or haven’t won” but then goes on to say but “what I do care about is how many times you haven’t delivered in the playoffs”🤣🤣 skip is sum else man
Ong 😂
"What have you done for me lately"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shannon: "You can't overplay a royal flush"
Unc needs to do a standup he too funny
That was a brilliant saying. I hadn’t heard that before.
That's real talk 👍
When a Baker video comes out you know it’s gonna be a good day.
I disagree, when a baker video comes out I'm like oh great same conversation I've heard 5 times a day for weeks
L profile picture bandwagoner -Salty Texan fan just let me vent man 😒
@@Vessikilla don't watch, please don't watch
@@eugenebelcher3 I watched like 4 minutes. Is that alright with you???
Not for skip though
Baker is a classic example of a player thinking he’s better than what he actually is. If you have that mindset in professional sports you best have the talent to back it up or your career can be drastically changed
Exactly!
He believes that bc yall gassed him up in college, pre & post draft, first 11 games 🥱! Like Shannon said 2 YEARS AGO just accept Baker is average!
he played his hand well. he wanted out and now he’s out. baker can start over and earn his way again.
Right place and right time, just enough talent and charisma to get there, but at the highest level he's average at best.
Thank You!!!! These people in Cleveland got cotton in their ears! And they need glasses to see.
Uhhh 11 games, Odell centric, big time throws in his rookie season, beating an overrated Steelers teams... Did I miss something?
Knock on wood for Odell
U missed his big time throws that pff rated lmao 🤣
You forgot the “ you know it & I know it” 😂😂😂😂🤣
Lol Pff Ranked Him The 4th best quarterback throughout that stretch 😂😂😂
whatever you missed, he will repeat tomorrow
I love how Skip just glosses over the fact that Josh Allen was in Bakers draft class. Baker is just an average QB yet Skip defends him just because he has praised and hyped him ever since he came into the league
Too prideful I guess. Just admit he's average and move on Skip, this isn't a hill worth dying on lol. Josh Allen is so incredibly better than Baker too. At least Shannon brought it up, but Skip just kinda passed it off 😂
Nah he dodged that better than a boxer. He mentioned Lamar getting drafted. Then Shannon says Allen and Skip says “Im talking about the QBs that went after Baker”…….WHAT! Allen did go after Baker 😂😂😂 Skip is a TERRIBLE debater, the funny thing is legitimately thinks he wins EVERY debate. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
He hyped him before he was in the league as he does all OU players.
It was the combination of Joe Burrow and OBJ's success that were the final straw for Baker with the Browns. Management saw that and internally said he's not the guy. In the NFL, you cannot draw too much negativity towards yourself and then don't ball. Injury or not; you on the field. Baker is being publicly humbled and to a man; we all kind of go thru that in life but not in public settings.
Bingo!
The biggest mistake baker made was going all out for Cleveland he should have set out and got healed up like Joe burrow did !
@@davidorwig1547 Joe Burrow had an ACL injury, which is unplayable for a mobile QB. Your comparison is not a good one. Baker is not that good of a QB; more trouble then he is worth.
@@swizzmbaye so he is so good he will make it back to the superbowl next year huh ,well we will see what NFL defenses have to say about that won't we anytime qb has a great season they come after him we will see if they take him out again, even the great Tom Brady got his knee ruined for a season!!!
I'm glad Shannon brought up the fact that 2 Grand Jury's found no evidence. Everyone else sounds disappointed that he isn't guilty
Very True…The system is being put to use and adequately I might say to the seemingly dislike of many folks! Definitely the owner of the Texans and his next neighbor who happens to be the one bringing these charges against Deshawn Watson! Any chance of some kind of cahoot going on with members of the Old Fashion Good Ole Boys Club again right before our eyes?
MARY KAY IS NOT THE ULTIMATE SOURCE. Browns fans have been trying to get rid of her for years because her information is wrong and often so biased
Skip's doesn't seem to realize that his opinion, and who he "wants" simply doesn't matter and is irrelevant to any discussion. He also seems to not understand that teams do not pursue upgrades at all positions all the time - no , they pursue upgrades when they are NOT happy with a position. The Browns were not happy with Mayfield PERIOD !!!!
They were willing to go all in on a guy with 22 civil lawsuits against him, what does that say about Baker 😬💀
Skip is gona take that eleven games to the grave with him 🤣🤣🤣
lol. And those 40 big time throws.
On God 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
When Skip's keeping bringing that Shannon chose Sam Darnold over Baker, we know he lost arguments
“I don’t care what you’ve done, or not done. I just know Aaron Rodgers hasn’t…” How does Shannon not call him out for literally contradicting himself from one sentence to the next. It wasn’t a slip of the tongue.
During that 8-3 run, IIRC the Browns won 2 games against teams with winning record, went 3-3 overall that season against winning teams. Career wise he's 7-19 against teams that ended with winning records.
Skip stays contradicting himself. He is blatantly scared that Mayfield might be a bust. He went from “Baker will change life/he is a franchise QB” to “I just said he was better than Sam Darnold”. 😂😂😂
Lol n don’t forget him repeating “He’s better than Josh Allen” all through the season lmao
@@alexisandrose5435 i totally forgot that 😂😂
When he got hurt he should have shut down but he played through it I think that's what hurt him more than anything
if i have to hear skip mention baker’s outlier of a rookie year one more time without shannon pushing back…
It got me at 18:00 when Shannon talks about the fur coat & the host she couldnt help but laugh & it was that laugh that "got" me!!!
He didn’t overplay his hand.. the team paid 230 million for a better QB. There wasnt a way baker could’ve played this that would’ve been “correct”
I guess the Browns didn’t want to roll the dice on a quarterback coming off shoulder surgery amongst other ailments. I never understood why he kept going out there or why management didn’t hold him out with all the injuries….(if they truly thought of him as a franchise QB)? He was horrible in most of the games and the one game he sat out they won without him. It would have been interesting to see him have a healthy season to see if he would have continued his success.
At this point its go be baker for 4 pair of wide receiver gloves 2 gatorade bottles and a assistant punter coach🤣🤣
Skip at the start: "We are early in the game, free agency Just Started!!"
Skip at the end: "We are late in the game"
I'm starting to be concerned about Skip because he really can't be serious..... Is he????
Shannon: What about the other 51 games?"
Skip: "He made 40 big throws his rookie year"
I am so tired of hearing about these 11 games 🤣🤣 Come on Skip do better.
“Odell problem” OBJ was injured for the majority of his tenure in Cleveland
Skip always says the same thing😂😂😂🤣 over n over for every discussion
I’m a Browns fan, and in all honesty, that Vikings game, the Ravens game when the defense got 4 INTS, the Packers game and watching the playoff games this past season (especially the wildcard and divisional rounds) showed and proved that even with a healthy Baker, they wouldn’t be able to win in the postseason, let alone the SuperBowl. But the NFL is a business, and teams are always looking to upgrade several positions every year. And the Browns got a ultra rare opportunity to grab and finally solidified the QB position (and yes I know, they passed up on numerous QB’s that turned out very good or HOF lvl).
Here's the thing watson is not going to be the quarterback he used to be, you all are going to regret this move, and I'm laughing at yall, because I'm a bills fan
@@drewcraig4167 lol wow under what ideology does one believe Watson’s on field play is gonna drop from what his whole career has shown?? Come on man 😂
@@clintholt563 yeah but, he's still a young player developing, he's not a veteran, he's been through a lot mentally, physical attributes will be ok, but I promise you, you're going to see a bunch of inaccurate throws, he's going to be like a Lamar Jackson type, who runs first throws second
@@drewcraig4167 he had 3 straight probowl seasons prior to missing last year. His career qbr is 104.7 only behind Aaron Rodgers. He’s established
@@drewcraig4167 he’s never been a Lamar Jackson type lol dude is extremely accurate his last season he played he led the league in completion percentage at 70 percent and it wasn’t all short passes either as he threw for 8.5 yards per attempt
Anyone else get the Undisputed Bingo?
- Baker's rookie season
- Baker's 11 game stretch
- (free space)
- Odell problem
- Aaron Rodgers
My little sister could of won that game in Pittsburgh after how terrible they started it’s like they wanted to see how hard they could make it on themselves and went all in
28-3?
Refusing Mr. Haslam (owner) apology was the straw that broke the camels back.
Skip: over the 11 game stretch he went 8-3 and blah blah blah.
Shannon: BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 51 GAMES!?
😂🤣😂
Leave it to Skip Bayless to disrespect the great Joe Thomas.
Skippy will say ANYTHING to prop up Baker Mayfield
Full guarantees when it comes to salary is extremely risky man.
Skips used Odell narratives to try and hype Baker. And now he’s using Watson to try and ease Baker. Skip will use anything to support his argument in an attempt to win.
THANK YOU SHANNON! You're the only sports host who phrase the cases against DW that way!
Skip really think people care about 11 games that much?
I mean it’s not just the 11 games he had a great rookie year and broke the rookie touchdown record (at the time) and he started week 3 or 4. Not saying baker is GREAT but he’s definitely not BAD. Having a new offensive coordinater and head coach every year doesn’t help either
@@christophersanchez3511 lmao okay skip bayless, I see you out here on another alt burner
If skip was a lawyer, he’d lose every case
The disrespect of Baker Mayfield is disgusting.
Skip in his rant about how he was right about OB's not being "the man" that shannon liked, he forgot to mention how he also predicted that Patrick Mahomes could turn out to be the best QB in his draft class.
Shay shay: You can’t overplay a royal flush! Shannon will always be undefeated !
After Baker couldn't beat the chiefs with a backup QB in the playoffs the browns knew he wasn't the answer
Defense was just as responsible for that loss
@@JayGotJuice216 Stop!
@@ManofSteel216OC oh I’m not a Baker fan at all. I’m just spittin facts bro.
@@JayGotJuice216 Eh after the first two drives the defense played well
Offense couldn't do anything the entire game though, against a defense that the Bucs torched
I'm a browns fan .and I liked baker ...but skip keeps recycling the same facts🤣🤣
Shannon's not wrong in Baker performing poorly last season, but neither is Skip on Baker's injury hindering his playmaker ability. I had no doubt prior to Baker getting injured that he was gonna take the next step at the beginning of the 2021 season.
It's a damn shame this is how it's gonna end for him in Cleveland. This is the type of guy that deserves a parade for what he's done for a city, unlike Stafford in Detroit (who BTW STILL has Lions fans support *despite* quitting on the team 🤦🏾♂️)
The subject is about Baker not about Murray, Watson or Dak! Skip loves White. Brady & Baker. Period!!
Skip ... CONTENT and EXCITEMENT are two different things. Being CONTENT on Baker Mayfield being there and being EXCITED that Deshaun is coming are vastly different.
Baker overplayed his hand thinking he had enough popularity to disregard the fans. A scary thought is if my Panthers get Baker when we could've got Watson.
Panthers will always suck
as a browns fan i don’t want baker to start and i dont want to get rid of him. i feel like baker could really lock in if hes behind a tom brady.
Josh Allen is 10x better than Baker in Talent AND STATS!!! Why does skip ignore that every time talking about the draft...
Better but I think 10x is a little delusional
@@magdabrownis265 have you seen their career stats? And Josh Allen has greatly improved his accuracy while being faster, bigger with a stronger Arm than Baker. That's close to 10x. Sad that the Browns wanted Watson
I’ve never seen skip stick by someone like this other than Tebow; of course Tom but atleast Tom earned it. He just can’t except that Baker isn’t good; people don’t realize how stacked Cleveland’s roster really was the last 3 years. With a top 10’qb they could have been a contender
He chose the Browns because they have a good offensive line they have a great run game they have a good coach dead loyal fans and they paid him the most
I think the Browns did a terrible thing in letting Baker play with a MAJOR injury. They might have just ruined his career by doing so. They knew it so they got desperate to replace him before they got held accountable for it.
7:27 I saw Lamar coming & *I SAW* an opportunity for Dave Gettleman to trade *BACK INTO* the 1st round to get him via New England.
It's a shame he saved that move for a cornerback the following draft. SMH.
Could've had Saquon AND Lamar. 💯
And kudos to the Browns for not wasting all these amazing players careers waiting around for Baker to get it together
I've heard skip talk about those 11 games and the 40 throws his rookie year so damn much that when I'm 90 and maybe have dementia or alzhiemers all I'm gonna be consciencly muttering the only thing I have remembered out of the entirety of my whole life will be " when O'Dell got injured at my bengals stadium baker Mayfield went on a tear, and went 8-3 in a 11 game stretch and was ranked 4th among qbs in that stretch, and his rookie year! My God skip just stop bro he's at the back of the pack! I'm a die hard bengal fan and I'm telling ya I'd love to see that guy stay in Cleveland! The league knows he was know real threat
I wish Baker the best, but GO BROWNS with Deshawn!
How did a guy who wanted an extension over play his hand? The Browns investigation went on for 5 months into Deshaun Watson. Baker only asked for a trade recently. Baker was played more than you know. Is Baker worth $30 million probably not. But the Browns were looking to trade Baker long before he asked for a trade.
Idk why skip kept trying to bring up that no team was willing to go all in for deshaun watson in this topic. If anything that hurts his argument that Baker is a quality qb. You don't go all-in for a qb if you already got a good qb.
lol. 11 games and 40 big time throws. Skip is dying on that hill.
Shannon is far too biased against Baker. If Baker would have led Cleveland to a SuperBowl victory last season Shannon would still be saying that Baker will never win a SuperBowl. Watson is one career ending injury away from making Cleveland look like the biggest bunch of fools to ever run an NFL franchise.
Baker still thinking him drafted 1st pick means he can’t be under valued… smh 🤦🏿♂️!
Skip has no argument lol
Skip said and I quote I don’t care what you’ve done or haven’t done BUT I KNOW WHAT Aaron RODGERS hasn’t done 😂😂😂
This is a perfect example of the "talking heads" carrying water for the NFL teams, not the players who play!
On the old madden Joe Thomas was my best lineman. Made sure the QB doesn't get touch
Why does Skip continuously do this lol there were PLENTY of people who thought Baker was better than Rosen and Darnold. Dude was the reigning Heisman trophy winner.
Neither of these fools even listened to what Joe Thomas said before saying they disagreed, as they both didn't even address what he was saying at all.
It must hurt skip that nobody wants Baker until his contract goes down first
Skips Daily Notes: BAKER 8-3 11 game Skid 20 picks 3 ints 1 Playoff win 51 TOTAL GAMES i DO NOT CARE ABOUT
I’ve only heard the use of the Big Time Throws by Skip. Nobody else ever uses that
It's the browns. Pittsburgh is actually happy.
This argument is very pointless tstl. First you might not even see Deshaun for another 2 years maybe, or a year and a half at the least. What are they going to do with Mayfield? They better hold on to Mayfield because who else is going to play if this kid don't play for the first year and a half? Who's going to come to Cleveland and fill that gap for a year and a half? This might be good for entertainment, but the reality of this argument is not based on much. Cleveland is in a big time mess here. All anyone can see right now is Deshaun getting paid, on or off the field.
You can't overplay a royal flush 💯
Not defending any of the Quarterbacks they are talking about here, just find it interesting that Baker and Lamarr (last year) got so much negative attention for not winning a playoff game, meanwhile Carson Wentz the number #2 overall pick in 2016 only gets talked about when he's on a winning team
Baker thought he was gonna be the Ochocinco of Cleveland lol
Shannon “we’ll he publicly humiliated them with his play” Classic!!!
If brown are willing to deal with watson legal and pr issues instead of keeping baker it really makes you think because if baker played elite or even top 15 deshaun never comes into the conversation so it's his fault for not doing his work
I’ve never seen a show talk about a free agent as much as they talk about Baker Mayfield. Literally everyday they find some way to talk about him. Skip Bayless is also just delusional & have a man crush on Baker😂😂😂
bc of Skip
You know it’s because of skip. Shannon stated his belief on him
DEAR GOD WOULD SOMEONE AT UNDISPUTED STOP SHANNON FROM SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS.... IT DOESN'T BOLSTER YOUR ARGUMENT... BUT ALL CAPS DOES.
I hate how skip says baker was fantastic his rookie year but did he win rookie of the year?
2 damning stats for Baker:
Browns are 0-25 when trailing by 8+ points at any point in the game
Baker leads the league in interceptions since he's been drafted
End of discussion, says all you need to know
The Browns were the best team available and willing to offer him the most money. It was a no brainer for Watson.
I think if Payton is still coaching the Saints, Watson is there.
Baker didn't win that playoff game by himself its a team effort it doesn't matter who the qb is its who plays the best game as a team not one player