Gentlemen, I have great respect for your work. This is where I think you are completely wrong. As an average golfer myself, Phil's technique, or the basis of it, has greatly improved my game. I even tried it out with two older beginners who had just come from the basic chip course. Both were able to imitate the technique immediately and both found it much easier to use. It takes a bit of submission to the front leg, as Dave Pelz explains, then anyone who is a bit motivated for golf can get it right. Why don't you make a video with Rory again? I thought it was really good. Keep it up guys, failures are part of golf ;-). Cheers
I agree 100% using the bounce with little shaft lean needs a lot more practice than Phil’s method I’ve used Phil’s method for years and it’s reliable and safe Ignore this advice
If you look closely at Phil's method, he use a lot of bounce. Not mentioning about those crazy flop shot that use "Hinge and Hold" method. So it is wrong to presume that Phil's way is using leading edge to chip. I think most people mis-understood the "hold" as to hold angle of hinge.
Same here, watched his chipping video, applied the steps to my next round of golf and I've never chipped as well before. It was consistent, it got me on the green for a 2 putt and even nearly gave me a birdie from 20 yards away with a chip based on his lesson.
@@hampuskarrlander7492 I’ve used Phil’s technique and am hot and cold. It’s a matter of confidence for me. It works easier for me bc I used the square-to-square technique, which is really a locked hinge at impact for all shots. So w/chipping it’s natural to use the same technique. BUT I’ve tried the method in this clip recently and it works. Perhaps even better. But a lack of confidence will result in pretty much the same bad results as Phil’s method. Whatever works for you. Personally I think this technique is better for anyone just learning.
@Zerpersande I agree with you as well, this technique is better for the average player. The bad strikes are okay shots. I've tried out different techniques over the past month and I find myself using various methods for different lies, so I guess it all depends.
I didn’t copy fill but I did cut down my chipping club and putter like Phil’s. I also put oversized putting grips on both clubs. I sincerely believe the closer I got my hands to the ball the better feel I have. I shaved 10 off in a 30 day period. Went from high 80’s to high 70’s. Thanks Phil!!!!
What they describe at 1:08 is NOT how Phil teaches hinge and hold. He doesn't say hinge and then hold that wrist set (from the top of the backswing) through impact. He says hold the impact position during the follow through so the clubhead doesn't pass the hands. Phil's way helped me a ton.
Hinge and hold has been the easiest, simplest and most consistent chipping technique I’ve used, and I’ve tried a lot. I think telling people not to use it is a bit of a disservice. Perhaps help people to understand it better to get the most from it. There’s more forgiveness in the technique than you give credit for, when done correctly. Driving the club down is where the issues come from. Phil Michelson’s secretes of the short game will tell you everything you need to know.
It took my about 5 minutes to learn Phil's method. It changed my chipping. I tried your method and constantly bladed it over the green. I watched you try Phil's method and you had an incorrect ball postion, which is why you chunked it. The correct position is outside the right foot instead of in the middle.
Agree. Phils 5min, straight to the point video was super simple to follow. Believe he even said don’t chip from the middle and that time after time people will still screw it up. Guess he wasn’t wrong. Want to go low, back foot. Want to go high, front foot. 🤷🏻♂️
In Phil’s video he says to not to hold the wrist angle through impact.. the power comes from the wrist hinge going back and using soft hands to control and get a consistent feel it’s 80% wrist hinge and 20 % body. Yous are saying phill teaches this and that.. while mocking his technique even tho it’s not what he looks like or teaches.. I’ll take Phil’s advice over the two full kit wannabes that’s life rounds are just another day for Phil..
Gentlemen, the reason why you don't feel Phil's technique works is simply because you're demonstrating it incorrectly. Listen carefully to Phil's video. He says the "hold" also means "accelerate" through the shot; it does NOT mean holding the wrist angle constant throughout. If you notice, he may start with a 90 degree wrist angle in the take back, but when he finishes, the wrist angle drops to ZERO. Nevertheless, you still do need to hold the wrists back slightly to ensure the wrist angle on the follow through doesn't go past zero or "God Forbid" create a 45 degree wrist angle the other way. Agreed, the "hold" could potentially be misinterpreted (i.e. better to say "hinge, accelerate, and hold" method). In other words, with Phil's method, when you "accelerate" through the shot, the wrists will naturally break, but you still need to hold the wrists back slightly to ensure the wrist angle stops at zero. I've been golfing for two years. I've gone back and forth between the Phil technique and the technique you recommend. I've found the Phil technique is much easier to implement with better results. Why? (1) Phil's technique minimizes the need for a large take back. After all, the larger the take back, the greater the chance of an incorrect strike on the way down. (2) Phil's technique minimizes "using too much wrist" (i.e. as stated above, wrist angle never goes beyond zero). Using too much wrist increases the chances of blading the ball, which we all know, will result in a line drive to the other side of the green. In summary, the simplicity in Phil's techique allows weekend golfers to dramatically improve their chipping without needing to spend hundreds of hours practicing. By reducing the amount of take back and wrist action, allows the weekend golfer, like myself, to increase the chances of making sold contact and using the bounce correctly.
I chip and pitch using Phil's technique. It's "the same" technique I learned from my father long before Phil was ever on the Tour. I have very few problems around greens.
Literally followed Phil’s chipping clinic and it completely changed my short game for the better. Like so much better! Genuinely added like 3 different shots I never knew I could play. Works specifically well for pitch shots!
@@meandmygolf. looking at it now it definitely requires solid knowledge of where your swing low point is otherwise you easily fat it…. I didn’t mean to undermine your method. I don’t always chip like Phil, it’s all situational and the way you coach is so easy to be consistent with!
@@meandmygolf. another thing that you seemed to miss in Phi's technique is the fact that he says to use your highest lofted club. In the video, you state that you're using a 52 and he does all his chipping with a 60. I recently was practicing and wanted to try a couple of things and pulled out my 52 and tried his method, and like you pointed out, I I dug in to the ground and had a difficult time with it. Switched back to my 60, and holed the next chip. The key is the loft and that is something you failed to see in your video.
I understand everyone has their way of getting the ball in the hole. Personally I have watched and incorporated Phil’s chipping fundamentals into my approach and it’s helped me immensely. Practice, practice, practice all the methods and pick out what works for YOU.
I had not played golf for 15 years and am and old guy now. I always used Phil's method in the past. I watched this video and tried it your way. I still have the muscle memory from Phil's method in me. I would say it is not that hard to get good at. I am not the best golfer but this is the best part of my game even now getting reborn. It definitely makes shooting at different distances easier as well.
Been watching you guys for a long time now and just wanted to say thank you for everything you guys do. Broke 80 for the first time last week with a 77 and have to give credit where credit is due, you guys have helped me so much without having an in person lesson it’s wild honestly!
So I personally use a combination of both techniques based on the shot I want to hit, but I improved my short game learning Phil's method first. I think Phil's method is a little trickier to understand, but once you do I don't think it's as difficult / unforgiving as y'all are stating. The biggest key with Phil's method is that you lock the Y (meaning the arms and club), and you have to effectively rotate the Y through the ball. When done correctly it absolutely uses the bounce of the club the same way as the other method, you're just delivering the club in a different way (Phil even talks about how he uses the bounce and loves bounce to glide across the turf). It's the "effectively rotate" part that I think gets most people, and y'all even demonstrate it as what can go wrong in that most people drive the club downward into the ground. Effectively rotating means your lead shoulder is rotating up, which brings the clubhead down to the ball and flattens out the angle of attack so the bounce can come into play. A lot of people get armsy with no rotation, or if they do rotate they tend to keep their shoulders level which drives the clubhead into the ground. Another key thing y'all didn't mention is ball position, which Phil says is critical (and for his technique it is). Phil says to never play the ball in the middle, you play it very forward off the front foot, or off the backfoot. Playing the ball forward also allows the club head to rotate with bounce under the ball easier, which produces the same kind of shot the "easier" technique does. Playing it off the back foot gets tricky, but this should only be done if a low runny shot is desired as the leading edge is now very exposed to the turf and can dig. BUT, if you do the same technique and lock the Y and effectively rotate, you can brush the grass with the leading edge down and get that nice low runner shot. Also another key in your examples here is you really need to adjust you stance to the slope of the ground! In this example y'all are hitting on an upslope into the grain of the fairway, but for the demonstration of the Phil technique y'all didn't adjust your stance to be parallel to the ground (meaning shoulders shoulders level to the ground). Of course this is going to highly encourage a digging of the club face into the ground, especially with the ball off the back foot for the low runner. Anyways, yeah I understand what you're saying in that the other technique is an easier technique to teach and start with (maybe)? But the Phil technique isn't any more "difficult" to pull off once you understand how to effectively rotate.
I use the hinge and hold method for the past year or so and my chipping has never been better. I've had so many up and downs over the past while and it really seems easy if done right
I have used Phil's method since I started playing golf, and it is by far the easiest way to chip. I almost never duff chips with his method, and with the hinge and hold the shaft lean, it is not as dramatic as pictured here in the video. Phil's way is the best by far.
There are some problems with using the "bounce" of the club. Many golfers in the south eastern or south central of the US, states like South Carolina, Oklahoma, Texas, we play off of short grass. This is especially true for public golf courses in the summer that often don't water like they should. The temperature can reach 100+ degrees F/37C for June, July and August. Thus, using the bounce of the club and or adding a release of the club, Daniel Grieve teaches the 3 release method, is not suitable due to the playing conditions. I gave up trying to use the bounce of the club, not because it doesn't work, but often with how tight the lie is for the ball. There have been many times that I was 20-40 yards short of the green and in the fairway but was on hardpan or a very tight lie. I find that using the hinge and hold allows for more of an aggressive attack angle down upon the ball and removes the possibility of hitting the ground before the ball. The hinge and hold does require some degree of practice but I've experimented with about 4-5 different methods, release method, putting method, Dave Pelz method .... I find that hinge and hold works best.
@williamkerner Dan Grieve's choice of "1, 2, or 3" is absolutely 'Lie Dependant'. He never recommends a Release 3 off a Bare Hard Lie. He has a 'cut version' of Release 1 for hard or tight lies when height and spin are called for.
I’ve tried both methods and both work. Chipping is a feel so both methods require a lot of practice. Misconception about the hinge and hold is holding the hinge. Do not hold the hinge, HOLD the release so the right hand hits against the left hand. I get a lot more back spin with Phil’s method but I Do Not drag the shaft handle or get flippy or scoopy with the club head. I allow the club to release at the bottom and turn through to finish.
Great video... even though I am chipping really well from learning Phil's technique my wife on the other hand was struggling mightily trying the same technique. This simple technique above helped my wife a ton! It's definitely much more forgiving and easier to 'get'... thanks again!
I literally added the flop shot to my game and improved chipping, high and low shots, around the green from Phil's techniques and videos alone without any in-personal lessons. Adjusting to his putting method assisted me as well without any in-person lessons. Just practicing Phil's methods.
Your technique for this type of shot is my prefered method. I find that your hinge must be very soft & you MUST turn your body thru impact in the manner you describe. Best tip for me is that you keep backswing & forward swing the same speed & length. You must keep both the clubhead & body moving through impact & beyond. Would love you to do a video lesson in how to play a soft lob shot over a bunker to the flag off a very tight or hardpan lie?...probably the scariest shot in golf for me & i would think most amateur golfers.
My chipping/pitching has always been inconsistent and after watching this video combined with a little practice I figured out why. I combined elements of both techniques. After some practice, I found your method was more consistent.
I tried every chipping method but Phil’s because I just figured I wasn’t talented enough. Easiest method to learn and what an improvement on by game from the upper 80’s and low 90’s to the mid 70’s. The consistency is just great for me around the green to 65 yards out. I hated golf because of how many strokes I was losing due to chipping but no more.
Phils method is to hinge in the back then relase at the bottom but never let the club face go past the hands "the hold" making a straight line between your shoulder and club face. i have been doing this for a long time and it works great. BTW i am a 18 hcd.
If you hit the ground first and utilize the bounce, you are at the mercy of the condition of the turf and even if the turf is nice and consistent, you still have to apply the right amount of bounce for those conditions. Added unnecessary variables. On the crappy courses most of us play, you dont want any turf interaction. You have to clip the ball first.
I play exactly like Phil and I play far better than anyone I play. Same technique Tiger uses and taught by Porzak Golf, which I learned from. And I taught my wife and she is a masters around the greens using Phil’s methods.
I had randomly watched Phils, then used his technique today...hacked several times just like you showed in your example. I couldn't make it work. Thanks to the YT algo, your vid popped up just after my round. Going to try it tomorrow. I'm sure this will work much better for me. Thank guys!
I, like others have seen nothing but improvement in my short game since watching Phils video. I go back and watch it every once in a while just to refamiliarise myself with it from time to time and my game has only improved with scores going down. I went from a 15+ handicap to a 6 currently.
Phil knows how to use the bounce, has a firm wrist but does not drive the shaft forwards, I prefer the Jason Day/Steve Stricker method (less wristy), which is pretty much what you are teaching. The biggest component that was my aha moment is tempo, when we get anxious we rush the shot and drive the shaft, with all the problems you discuss. My keys are - weight left - shoulders level - good tempo, no rush but with some acceleration, let the club return to square. For flop shots open the face and feel the bounce. The other factor is the confidence you need and can only get from lots of practice. Otherwise it will only take one bladed shot and it will be white knuckles the rest of the round.
This chipping technique literally changed my game for the better. Two years ago, I went from chunking/thinning nearly every chip to getting on the green within 10 feet every time. I've also had about two dozen chip-ins as well. It will seriously completely change your short game and thought process around the green! Strike never crosses my mind now, it's all about line and pace. Amazing!
What Phil calls "hinge and hold" doesn't mean holding the hinge all the way through impact, he's holding off a complete release, meaning the club head doesn't pass his hands. He's still has some release. Go watch his video, just after impact his lead arm and the club are in a perfectly straight line, not in a backwards angle.
You guys misinterpret Phil Ms instruction. The holding he refers to is after the club has caught up with the lead arm. You hold then, not the angle with hands way ahead. His technique works very well.
For standard chips and pitches, the hinge and hold method works well for me. The problem is when your in the rough or a down or uphill lie. That’s when it gets tricky
The thing I like about Phil’s hinge and hold is it relaxes my arms when I have a tense chip shot and almost by magic it helps me get a crisp hit on ball. It does work more often than not and gives me a simple thought to follow. My only issue is I can’t help but think the hinge completely changes the loft depending how much I hinge. And I don’t like second guessing that when I’m over ball. So I guess it’s a matter of developing feel?
Just play the ball slightly further back in your stance so as to present less loft at the moment of impact. Doing so will also create more spin-and-"check" on the resulting shot onto the green. I have found I get more distance control on playing the ball further back in the stance, assuming the circumstances allow for it. Playing the chip shot from the inside of the front foot will result in the ball going higher and landing earlier but then releasing and running out quite a bit more, so this requires more precise execution of the correct "landing spot" otherwise the ball could easily run past the hole. For these kinds of shots, I almost always use my 64* wedge, and I play using a Srixon Z-Star ball, with gives good greenside spin.
I actually use a bit of both. Since I have stiff wrists I tend to use more hold with almost no hinge. I also when I start hinging get the face turned too much as well. Part of that again is me but also that I have 1 Length Wedges with Full Face grooves. More forgiveness but also longer arc. I let the setup dictate the height but definitely work to brush the ground through the swing.
The truth is Phil doesn't actually 'hold' the angle on the way down, if he did he would swing right over the top of the ball, but instead he fully releases it, it's the RELEASE that is held or you might refer to it as the impact position, it's this that is held into the follow through, surprised you guys didn't explain this tbh...love ya channel though :) Ps - even though Phil refers to his method as hinge and hold, it's more like hinge, release and then hold, that's what he actually does and there's plenty of video evidence to verify this fact. Perhaps it's this misunderstanding that is screwing people up. Pps Oh and Phil doesn't 'dip' in the downswing because he releases the club, he actually is to blame for the confusion tbh on his video, it's hinge, release and then hold, not hinge n hold.
With the hinge & hold if you want a high trajectory put the ball off your front foot bump and run off the rear foot and always have your weight on your front foot. Simplest was to chip and pitch
Per my last comment, “Gentlemen, …. you’re demonstrating it incorrectly” I’m not saying you’re wrong, instead I’m saying it’s a matter of personal preference. Let’s have a detailed comparison between the Phil method and your method or the “Non-Phil” method. BACKSWING: Phil -> Much shorter Non-Phil -> Much larger Advantage Phil -> Why? Because with a larger backswing, the more risk for a bad shot. WRIST HINGE: Phil and Non-Phil are essentially the same. Both techniques recommend some wrist hinge. DOWNSWING: Phil -> More arms. Non-Phil -> More shoulders or rotating on the spine. Advantage Non-Phil -> Why? Rotating on the spine produces a more consistent swing. USING the BOUNCE: Phil and Non-Phil both recommend using the bounce since both techniques release the wrists, push through, and try and stay on the ground as long as possible. FOLLOW THROUGH: Phil -> Hold the wrists so you don’t flip the wrists. This will prevent blading the ball, but also forces you to slightly tighten the grip. Non-Phil -> The wrists do flip through, albeit naturally. This increases the chances of blading the ball, but you don’t need to increase the grip pressure. In other words, the grip pressure is relaxed and constant throughout. Advantages and disadvantages to both. SUMMARY: It's really personal preference. Do you prefer a shorter backswing, accelerating through with the arms, and no wrist flipping? Or do you prefer the larger backwing, slower downswing by rotating the spine, and natural flipping of the wrists?
Love this however I have some concerns over losing ball spin. Also controlling distance. Any thoughts? By the way I have watched this video at least 10 times. Thanks
I like Phil's approach but was inconsistent with it. Some rounds were great, others I would blade the ball, etc. Not much middle ground. Looking forward to trying your method !!
Not gonna lie, I watched this short game clinic religiously and it caused a major shank in my full swing with short irons and wedges. Don’t know if it’s the forward press or what but this took me a while to get rid of. Couldn’t figure it out but now I’m cured and will never watch this short game video again. So yes it works for some, but not all! Still know deep down that Phil is the short game wizard so I’m sad but it is what it is.
Me and My are misinterpreting phil's chip method. phil does not "hold" the wrist break at all. He accellerates his hands forward with a loose grip while allowing the clubhead to finish the backswing. at impact it 'looks' like he is holding it, but that's just where the angles are at that moment, as there is no "hold", just the clubhead in the process of catching up with the hands. Me and My state that you have to "dip" to get to the ball if you are holding the angles. However if you watch phil, he does not dip at all. He rotates through the shot. Now, granted, if you "hold" the angle during the swing you will sometimes mess up the delivery and stick it in the ground or skull it. The trick to phils chipping method is not to hold the angles at all, but to change directions with the hands first while allowing the clubhead to finish the backswing. Loose grip is key.
Not sure what these two blokes were even thinking, but Mickelson's "hinge-and-hold" technique is more or less correct for most golfers. It teaches the basic foundation of keeping the weight forward, the hands forward, and the leading edge of the wedge down so that it can clip the ball from underneath and make crisp contact, as opposed to skulling or blading it. The issues of the amount of loft and bounce on the sole of the wedge that should be used depending on the ball's lie and course conditions, are separate considerations. One other issue that affects chipping greatly is the amount of grip pressure on the club's grip that the player exerts during the chip shot. Stronger, firmer grip pressure will result in the ball jumping out and rolling considerably farther, while lighter grip pressure will result in the ball coming out softer and rolling a shorter distance. It is obviously also much easier to get more "check" and spin on the ball when chipping from clean short fairway grass than it is from longer rough. In short game, everything requires constant analysis and calculation but correctly executing Mickelson's proven chipping technique will usually yield better results, or at the very least, better misses.
Not from our experience Tony. We have been coaching now for over 20 years and many golfers have come to us trying this method and it’s hurt their game. We aren’t saying it can’t be done. It can for very skilled golfers. For most amateur golfers though we have seen more problems as you need to be so precise as there is no margin for error. Appreciate your comment though and insight
@@meandmygolf. I would suggest it's actually vice-versa...your technique, which seems to be reminiscent of Tommy Fleetwood's style, actually requires far more skill and precision for the casual, occasional, inexperienced, or novice-level golfer to execute, as compared to Phil Mickelson's more simplified "hinge and hold" method. Also, Mickelson's technique does not require or promote dipping or knee-bending, as another previous commenter here has already chastised you for. It's up to the player making the chip shot to select the amount of knee-bend required relative to the ball's uphill or downhill lie, and then simply execute the "hinge and hold", while finishing in a "taller", more upright posture. The "tall/upright" finish is what you have also demonstrated with the Fleetwood technique, which I believe doesn't get emphasized enough in golf short-game instruction, generally. It's essentially an extension of the same commitment to the follow-through towards the target that is also required when putting. If you don't commit to the follow-through on your putt, odds are good the ball isn't going to make it to the target, and the same principle applies to chipping. I would suggest correctly teaching BOTH techniques to your students and allowing them to determine which comes easier to them. If they possess even a basic sense of hand-eye coordination and athletic ability, odds are good you will see them adopt their preferred technique rather quickly.
I have used Phil's technique for years without knowing it. It's super simple and consistent. Chipping is the strength of my game by far. The biggest problem I see using Phil's method is not opening the body to the target, which creates fats. I showed my wife this method and she is an excellent chipper of the ball. She had never held a club prior. This is more of a rotational type of movement.
I have the Callaway Phil M. grind on my wedges which flattens the base of the bounce allowing the club to slide alomg the ground. Phil has said he is hitting his shots slightly fat. His technique works but perhaps it's best to do with his grind ;-)
Get phooked phils method took strokes off my game i feel so comfy hitting it like that AND YOU GUYS LITERALLY SAID IT he works on his game thats why he is so good . If people work on their game they too.... will improve.
I use Phils hinge and hold 20-30-40 feet away. But, it breaks down close in say 10-20 away. I can't stop the ball running past the hole I know Phil shows how to do it, but like you say it need a high skill level to open that face up and hit the deck in exactly the right place, so I use your method close in to the green
For those 10-20 foot chips, just play the ball slightly further back in your stance (without opening the face) and slightly loosen your grip strength on the wedge as you execute the shot using Phil's same technique, and you will notice far better results. The ball is likely running past the hole on you because you are playing the ball too far forward in your stance and gripping the club too firmly, so the ball ends up "releasing" and running out much hotter and further than desired. Opening the face on a wedge may be required on rare occasions where you might need to fly it over a greenside bunker, but it will still usually result in the ball running out quite a bit once it hits the green, which makes hitting the correct landing spot far more critical in those situations.
Just gonna agree with the majority of comments that Phils instructional video completely transformed my short game from every swing that wasnt a full swing or a putt. Chip shots, low bump n runs, lob and flop shots, pitch shots, bunker shots, i hinge and hold every single one and im pretty damn accurate from within 100 yards using anything 45-60 degrees. His 3 foot and 6 foot circle putting drills are money too.
Guys.. I am a fan but you clearly just showed you cant do his hinge and hold. You DO NOT hold the hinge as you did in the demo. He releases the wrist from the hinge and keeps hands moving at impact to keep club head from passing the hands. You really need to pull this video as you described the hinge and hold totally wrong and that is why you struggle with it. Not bashing you bit Im shocked you dont know the shot or demo it correctly. Phil would cry if he saw you represent the shot this way. The shot should actually be called hinge, release with steep accelerated impact into ball and then hold off letting the clubhead passing the hands. I am sure other people here who do this shot right will say the same thing I just stated.
Chipped the "Phil way" before I had lessons. Was all good until I had to get over something. I saw your previous videos on chipping and thought I'd give it a go... I still can't chip 😂😂
Been trying to work more on what you've just shown here, when I was always a "hands- forward" person. Using the bounce has made it more consistent, just need to work on different chipping distance as far as height of the hands in the back swing. Practice practice practice! Lol
I sucked at chipping horrible i practices phils fpr 30 min before a round of golf and light bulb moment i was a beast at chipping now at ease chipping master
First of all you buy the Taylormade hi-toe 15 degrees bounce wide sole wedge, then you have to try to have a 15 degrees shaflean at impact or open the club more to increase the 15 degrees bounce even more. This until the club slides over the ground. That’s the theory you have to understand….
I bought Phil's short game DVD when it first came out, the putting section was very helpfull but the hinge and hold chipping method destroyed my shot consistancy around the green! I've heard Phil has said that he didn't feel he described the method as well as he would have liked but I haven't seen any actual comments from Phil?
I love your videos and they help so much. But this one I respectfully disagree. The chipping video I know you’re referring to with Phil is the best video ever done on the topic and transformed my chipping. He made is so simple to hit crisp chips both high and low.
That's awesome Brett. As we say, it can work for some people but it's rare we see that. It's great for highly skilled golfers. We have just seen many people struggle with it. Happy to hear it helps you though.
Well, Joe Mayo has explained this topic in details. He has proved that yes, if you hit the ground before the ball it will be a worse result, but it will be much easier to hit the ball clean if you hit quite a bit down on it. So Mayo is backing Phil's technique!
This is based on a misunderstanding of “hinge and hold.” Mickelson is very clear about that the bounce, not the leading edge, needs to be exposed to the ground. He does not hold an angle between club and left arm. Club is extension of left arm in followthrough in his videos.
How do you handle a ball just off the green where you are but in a little divot or tiny depression? Do you stab at it or softly employ your technique? Iowa golf courses are not perfectly manicured on the green or in the fairway, etc... It's like guerrilla warfare to golf here. What do I do? Sometimes I try to follow videos like yours or Phil's and I forget I am not on a southern course or fancy club. Thanks. p.s. I got the most out of your slo-mo at the end.
I think you are right because Phil has a lot of flexibility in his hip. If you don't have enough flexibility , using hinge and hold would be very difficult to play. Depends on your flexibility.
Wrong, Phil clearly allows the wrists to hinge back to alignment with wedge shaft. This happens through impact, which allows for finesse. Also you can rotate upper body through impact to utilise more bounce plus increase spin. I came back to this method, as we have very tight fairways and fringes. I was finding it too difficult to use Dan Grieves release 1. The bounce was causing too many thin shots. The 3 releases are brilliant, but you need a little fluff under the ball to keep the anxiety levels down.
I am the world's worst chipper. Hit it and put it better than average but lose at least 10 shots per round chipping and pitching. When I hinge my right wrist then release it from the club at impact I can at least get it on the green.
I do not like Hinge and Hold personally. I do find it interesting that Phil, himself, admits that he does not "hold" the angle. Seems to me like a misnomer. He says that in reality, he just focuses on keeping his hands accelerating, and that this alone prevents the clubhead from overtaking them. But his wrist angle is pretty neutral (arm and shaft in-line) at impact; the wrist angle has fully unloaded. In any case, I've always done better by using the bounce. It is also easier to handle different kinds of grass this way, because sticky grass as well as tight grass is pushed down, the same way, by the bounce.
All pros do it a little different lol. Practice till you find what works for. I'm always a little skeptical when I hear someone says someone's method is incorrect or let me show you an easier way😊
Surprised to see so many comments in Phil’s defense. I feel like he usually gets a lot of flack for his H&H method. What I find interesting is that you have a master tactician like Phil trying to distill his finesse down into repeatable details for an average golfer to understand which is hard. But when you look at his video, he definitely has some “release” of the club before impact. I think the “Hold” part of his method is more of “keep your hands accelerating through the follow-through”more than anything else. I’ve been practicing Phil’s method for a while and it’s changed my short game like no other. To each their own 🤷
It’s interesting that you wouldn’t show what people are doing wrong and purposely duffing it. I would have thought showing the mechanics of how the rest of the body works in sequence to this technique. You demonstrated dumping the club early and throwing the arms forward. I hinge and hold and chip very well, the feeling of lifting the left shoulder is the key as it doesn’t change the arc or low point. Funny how this could have been a video on controlling low point and then you have the option of both techniques
No fair you just stopped when showing Phills method . Hinge & hold works just fine if you dont over do forward shaft lean , dont decelerate. keep the body turning & have sufficient bounce. Not one of your better videos sorry.
You misunderstood Phil's instruction. He didn't say hold the hinge, he said hold the club in line with the arm through & after impact. Tthe hinge has already released. Frankly it's terminology, and Phil's hinge & hold is fundamnetally the same as Dan Grieve's release 1. And both work & help people if you don't hold the hinge, and use do the bounce, as both of them are doing anyway.
Your explanation of Phil’s hinge and hold is wildly inaccurate. One point in particular; Phil does not end with the club head below or behind the hands, but rather fully extended, with the shaft straight in line with the leading forearm, literally pointing at the target. Please watch Phil’s short game video before you mischaracterize it. Another obvious error is your reference to chopping down at the ball, as you demonstrate stubbing your club into the turf. Phil makes it perfectly clear that he is using the bounce, making a long flat bottom, through the turf, which he demonstrates in his video with additional animation. If you want to demonstrate the difference between older style chipping where the club descends behind the ball and then flattens, as the say, like a steep airplane landing, and the current popular style in which the shaft returns to vertical at impact, fine. Do that, like literally every golf instructor on RUclips. But please don’t set up Phil Mickelson’s hinge and hold as a straw man to demonstrate your point, because you must mischaracterize the method to make your point.
Give over phil mickelson makes the game so simple. The hinge and hold method is the most simple technique in the world. I swear by it. Hes the greatest andhis chipping 101 as well is fantastic all golfers reading this its up to you but i think phil will imprpve all yoir game
You show a picture of him in his finished position which is chest and hips open thru the ball! Too many people think hinge and hold is hinge and stop…. If you continue rotating your chest and throw the angle from a shallow position it’s fine to use some of his techniques
I dunno. I applied Phils technique in my last round I played and I've never been more consistent with my chips. All my chips around the green were automatic 1 and 2 putts. zero 3 putts. I'd say do whatever works for you.
I totally agree with them.I am a low handicap player and for a while I used the hinge and hold method.I was able to implement it but sometime I was too steep and I hit fat causing the ball to run only for few meters.The easiest method to chip for an amateur golfer is the one of Jason Day, minimum wrists hinge and very shallow swing.
Gentlemen, I have great respect for your work.
This is where I think you are completely wrong. As an average golfer myself, Phil's technique, or the basis of it, has greatly improved my game. I even tried it out with two older beginners who had just come from the basic chip course. Both were able to imitate the technique immediately and both found it much easier to use.
It takes a bit of submission to the front leg, as Dave Pelz explains, then anyone who is a bit motivated for golf can get it right.
Why don't you make a video with Rory again? I thought it was really good. Keep it up guys, failures are part of golf ;-). Cheers
I agree 100% using the bounce with little shaft lean needs a lot more practice than Phil’s method
I’ve used Phil’s method for years and it’s reliable and safe
Ignore this advice
If you look closely at Phil's method, he use a lot of bounce. Not mentioning about those crazy flop shot that use "Hinge and Hold" method. So it is wrong to presume that Phil's way is using leading edge to chip. I think most people mis-understood the "hold" as to hold angle of hinge.
Hinge and hold is the best methods out there for longer chips/pitches. You don't even need to practice, it just works.
I followed Phil’s chipping 101 and it improved my chipping massively.
Same here, watched his chipping video, applied the steps to my next round of golf and I've never chipped as well before. It was consistent, it got me on the green for a 2 putt and even nearly gave me a birdie from 20 yards away with a chip based on his lesson.
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I’ve used Phil’s technique and am hot and cold. It’s a matter of confidence for me. It works easier for me bc I used the square-to-square technique, which is really a locked hinge at impact for all shots. So w/chipping it’s natural to use the same technique.
BUT I’ve tried the method in this clip recently and it works. Perhaps even better. But a lack of confidence will result in pretty much the same bad results as Phil’s method.
Whatever works for you. Personally I think this technique is better for anyone just learning.
@Zerpersande I agree with you as well, this technique is better for the average player. The bad strikes are okay shots.
I've tried out different techniques over the past month and I find myself using various methods for different lies, so I guess it all depends.
I didn’t copy fill but I did cut down my chipping club and putter like Phil’s. I also put oversized putting grips on both clubs. I sincerely believe the closer I got my hands to the ball the better feel I have. I shaved 10 off in a 30 day period. Went from high 80’s to high 70’s. Thanks Phil!!!!
What they describe at 1:08 is NOT how Phil teaches hinge and hold. He doesn't say hinge and then hold that wrist set (from the top of the backswing) through impact. He says hold the impact position during the follow through so the clubhead doesn't pass the hands. Phil's way helped me a ton.
Before I switched to the Phil method my chipping was awful. Now it's one of the best parts of my game.
Hinge and hold has been the easiest, simplest and most consistent chipping technique I’ve used, and I’ve tried a lot. I think telling people not to use it is a bit of a disservice. Perhaps help people to understand it better to get the most from it. There’s more forgiveness in the technique than you give credit for, when done correctly. Driving the club down is where the issues come from. Phil Michelson’s secretes of the short game will tell you everything you need to know.
It took my about 5 minutes to learn Phil's method. It changed my chipping. I tried your method and constantly bladed it over the green. I watched you try Phil's method and you had an incorrect ball postion, which is why you chunked it. The correct position is outside the right foot instead of in the middle.
Best comment yep!
Agree. Phils 5min, straight to the point video was super simple to follow. Believe he even said don’t chip from the middle and that time after time people will still screw it up. Guess he wasn’t wrong.
Want to go low, back foot. Want to go high, front foot. 🤷🏻♂️
They also did not open the face at all, and Phil says to have it basically flat on the ground. Big swing and a miss on this video.
If they bothered watching phils full tutorial they would know he says ball position is never in the middle
If they bothered watching phils full tutorial they would know he says ball position is never in the middle
In Phil’s video he says to not to hold the wrist angle through impact.. the power comes from the wrist hinge going back and using soft hands to control and get a consistent feel it’s 80% wrist hinge and 20 % body. Yous are saying phill teaches this and that.. while mocking his technique even tho it’s not what he looks like or teaches.. I’ll take Phil’s advice over the two full kit wannabes that’s life rounds are just another day for Phil..
Gentlemen, the reason why you don't feel Phil's technique works is simply because you're demonstrating it incorrectly. Listen carefully to Phil's video. He says the "hold" also means "accelerate" through the shot; it does NOT mean holding the wrist angle constant throughout. If you notice, he may start with a 90 degree wrist angle in the take back, but when he finishes, the wrist angle drops to ZERO. Nevertheless, you still do need to hold the wrists back slightly to ensure the wrist angle on the follow through doesn't go past zero or "God Forbid" create a 45 degree wrist angle the other way. Agreed, the "hold" could potentially be misinterpreted (i.e. better to say "hinge, accelerate, and hold" method). In other words, with Phil's method, when you "accelerate" through the shot, the wrists will naturally break, but you still need to hold the wrists back slightly to ensure the wrist angle stops at zero.
I've been golfing for two years. I've gone back and forth between the Phil technique and the technique you recommend. I've found the Phil technique is much easier to implement with better results. Why?
(1) Phil's technique minimizes the need for a large take back. After all, the larger the take back, the greater the chance of an incorrect strike on the way down.
(2) Phil's technique minimizes "using too much wrist" (i.e. as stated above, wrist angle never goes beyond zero). Using too much wrist increases the chances of blading the ball, which we all know, will result in a line drive to the other side of the green.
In summary, the simplicity in Phil's techique allows weekend golfers to dramatically improve their chipping without needing to spend hundreds of hours practicing. By reducing the amount of take back and wrist action, allows the weekend golfer, like myself, to increase the chances of making sold contact and using the bounce correctly.
I chip and pitch using Phil's technique. It's "the same" technique I learned from my father long before Phil was ever on the Tour. I have very few problems around greens.
Literally followed Phil’s chipping clinic and it completely changed my short game for the better. Like so much better! Genuinely added like 3 different shots I never knew I could play. Works specifically well for pitch shots!
You need to rotate your hips though and not just slam your arms into the ground.
Happy to hear that too. Like we said for most golfers it's so tough but for some it might work.👍🏻
@@meandmygolf. looking at it now it definitely requires solid knowledge of where your swing low point is otherwise you easily fat it….
I didn’t mean to undermine your method. I don’t always chip like Phil, it’s all
situational and the way you coach is so easy to be consistent with!
@@meandmygolf. another thing that you seemed to miss in Phi's technique is the fact that he says to use your highest lofted club. In the video, you state that you're using a 52 and he does all his chipping with a 60. I recently was practicing and wanted to try a couple of things and pulled out my 52 and tried his method, and like you pointed out, I I dug in to the ground and had a difficult time with it. Switched back to my 60, and holed the next chip. The key is the loft and that is something you failed to see in your video.
@@meandmygolf.no, like every other shots you need to work on it to be good. Phil's method will work for everyone.
I love Phil’s tips. Improved my game by 11 strokes instantly!
I understand everyone has their way of getting the ball in the hole. Personally I have watched and incorporated Phil’s chipping fundamentals into my approach and it’s helped me immensely.
Practice, practice, practice all the methods and pick out what works for YOU.
I had not played golf for 15 years and am and old guy now. I always used Phil's method in the past. I watched this video and tried it your way. I still have the muscle memory from Phil's method in me. I would say it is not that hard to get good at. I am not the best golfer but this is the best part of my game even now getting reborn. It definitely makes shooting at different distances easier as well.
Been watching you guys for a long time now and just wanted to say thank you for everything you guys do. Broke 80 for the first time last week with a 77 and have to give credit where credit is due, you guys have helped me so much without having an in person lesson it’s wild honestly!
Thanks for the update Bob! Great to hear you broke 80! Thats a big deal👍🏻
So I personally use a combination of both techniques based on the shot I want to hit, but I improved my short game learning Phil's method first. I think Phil's method is a little trickier to understand, but once you do I don't think it's as difficult / unforgiving as y'all are stating. The biggest key with Phil's method is that you lock the Y (meaning the arms and club), and you have to effectively rotate the Y through the ball. When done correctly it absolutely uses the bounce of the club the same way as the other method, you're just delivering the club in a different way (Phil even talks about how he uses the bounce and loves bounce to glide across the turf). It's the "effectively rotate" part that I think gets most people, and y'all even demonstrate it as what can go wrong in that most people drive the club downward into the ground. Effectively rotating means your lead shoulder is rotating up, which brings the clubhead down to the ball and flattens out the angle of attack so the bounce can come into play. A lot of people get armsy with no rotation, or if they do rotate they tend to keep their shoulders level which drives the clubhead into the ground.
Another key thing y'all didn't mention is ball position, which Phil says is critical (and for his technique it is). Phil says to never play the ball in the middle, you play it very forward off the front foot, or off the backfoot. Playing the ball forward also allows the club head to rotate with bounce under the ball easier, which produces the same kind of shot the "easier" technique does. Playing it off the back foot gets tricky, but this should only be done if a low runny shot is desired as the leading edge is now very exposed to the turf and can dig. BUT, if you do the same technique and lock the Y and effectively rotate, you can brush the grass with the leading edge down and get that nice low runner shot.
Also another key in your examples here is you really need to adjust you stance to the slope of the ground! In this example y'all are hitting on an upslope into the grain of the fairway, but for the demonstration of the Phil technique y'all didn't adjust your stance to be parallel to the ground (meaning shoulders shoulders level to the ground). Of course this is going to highly encourage a digging of the club face into the ground, especially with the ball off the back foot for the low runner.
Anyways, yeah I understand what you're saying in that the other technique is an easier technique to teach and start with (maybe)? But the Phil technique isn't any more "difficult" to pull off once you understand how to effectively rotate.
Agree. Phils method is is to keep rotating so the club does not get in front the hands not to stop the swing once you get pass the low point.
What a great explanation. Thank you!
I use the hinge and hold method for the past year or so and my chipping has never been better. I've had so many up and downs over the past while and it really seems easy if done right
Really for me weight forward and controlling my low point is the key to a good strike.
I have used Phil's method since I started playing golf, and it is by far the easiest way to chip. I almost never duff chips with his method, and with the hinge and hold the shaft lean, it is not as dramatic as pictured here in the video. Phil's way is the best by far.
There are some problems with using the "bounce" of the club. Many golfers in the south eastern or south central of the US, states like South Carolina, Oklahoma, Texas, we play off of short grass. This is especially true for public golf courses in the summer that often don't water like they should. The temperature can reach 100+ degrees F/37C for June, July and August. Thus, using the bounce of the club and or adding a release of the club, Daniel Grieve teaches the 3 release method, is not suitable due to the playing conditions. I gave up trying to use the bounce of the club, not because it doesn't work, but often with how tight the lie is for the ball. There have been many times that I was 20-40 yards short of the green and in the fairway but was on hardpan or a very tight lie. I find that using the hinge and hold allows for more of an aggressive attack angle down upon the ball and removes the possibility of hitting the ground before the ball. The hinge and hold does require some degree of practice but I've experimented with about 4-5 different methods, release method, putting method, Dave Pelz method .... I find that hinge and hold works best.
@williamkerner Dan Grieve's choice of "1, 2, or 3" is absolutely 'Lie Dependant'.
He never recommends a Release 3 off a Bare Hard Lie.
He has a 'cut version' of Release 1 for hard or tight lies when height and spin are called for.
I’ve been doing Phil’s method for five years. It changed my short game drastically.
I’ve tried both methods and both work. Chipping is a feel so both methods require a lot of practice. Misconception about the hinge and hold is holding the hinge. Do not hold the hinge, HOLD the release so the right hand hits against the left hand. I get a lot more back spin with Phil’s method but I Do Not drag the shaft handle or get flippy or scoopy with the club head. I allow the club to release at the bottom and turn through to finish.
I'll listen to the multiple time major winner, thanks.
Great video... even though I am chipping really well from learning Phil's technique my wife on the other hand was struggling mightily trying the same technique. This simple technique above helped my wife a ton! It's definitely much more forgiving and easier to 'get'... thanks again!
I literally added the flop shot to my game and improved chipping, high and low shots, around the green from Phil's techniques and videos alone without any in-personal lessons. Adjusting to his putting method assisted me as well without any in-person lessons. Just practicing Phil's methods.
Your technique for this type of shot is my prefered method. I find that your hinge must be very soft & you MUST turn your body thru impact in the manner you describe. Best tip for me is that you keep backswing & forward swing the same speed & length. You must keep both the clubhead & body moving through impact & beyond.
Would love you to do a video lesson in how to play a soft lob shot over a bunker to the flag off a very tight or hardpan lie?...probably the scariest shot in golf for me & i would think most amateur golfers.
Using these ideas the improvement in my chipping and pitching was miraculous.
Can I use these ideas or something similar on full shots?
My chipping/pitching has always been inconsistent and after watching this video combined with a little practice I figured out why. I combined elements of both techniques. After some practice, I found your method was more consistent.
I tried every chipping method but Phil’s because I just figured I wasn’t talented enough. Easiest method to learn and what an improvement on by game from the upper 80’s and low 90’s to the mid 70’s. The consistency is just great for me around the green to 65 yards out. I hated golf because of how many strokes I was losing due to chipping but no more.
Phils method is to hinge in the back then relase at the bottom but never let the club face go past the hands "the hold" making a straight line between your shoulder and club face. i have been doing this for a long time and it works great. BTW i am a 18 hcd.
If you hit the ground first and utilize the bounce, you are at the mercy of the condition of the turf and even if the turf is nice and consistent, you still have to apply the right amount of bounce for those conditions. Added unnecessary variables. On the crappy courses most of us play, you dont want any turf interaction. You have to clip the ball first.
I play exactly like Phil and I play far better than anyone I play. Same technique Tiger uses and taught by Porzak Golf, which I learned from. And I taught my wife and she is a masters around the greens using Phil’s methods.
I use the hinge and hold, weight forward method. They both work
I had randomly watched Phils, then used his technique today...hacked several times just like you showed in your example. I couldn't make it work. Thanks to the YT algo, your vid popped up just after my round. Going to try it tomorrow. I'm sure this will work much better for me. Thank guys!
As with all things in golf, try it, modify it to fit your swing, then practice, practice, practice.
you have missed the point of keeping your weight forward which eliminates the duff. at least show the technique correctly.
Great observation. A little weight forward can certainly help. 👍🏻
From one Azz to a other I completely agreephil s method is good specially off Bermuda My last name is Azzopardi so the AzzDazz caught my eye
I, like others have seen nothing but improvement in my short game since watching Phils video. I go back and watch it every once in a while just to refamiliarise myself with it from time to time and my game has only improved with scores going down. I went from a 15+ handicap to a 6 currently.
Phil knows how to use the bounce, has a firm wrist but does not drive the shaft forwards, I prefer the Jason Day/Steve Stricker method (less wristy), which is pretty much what you are teaching. The biggest component that was my aha moment is tempo, when we get anxious we rush the shot and drive the shaft, with all the problems you discuss. My keys are - weight left - shoulders level - good tempo, no rush but with some acceleration, let the club return to square. For flop shots open the face and feel the bounce. The other factor is the confidence you need and can only get from lots of practice. Otherwise it will only take one bladed shot and it will be white knuckles the rest of the round.
This chipping technique literally changed my game for the better. Two years ago, I went from chunking/thinning nearly every chip to getting on the green within 10 feet every time. I've also had about two dozen chip-ins as well. It will seriously completely change your short game and thought process around the green! Strike never crosses my mind now, it's all about line and pace. Amazing!
Great to hear. Doesn't it feel good when the short game is in a good place!
I’ve been using Phil’s method for over 3 years and ever since I have my chipping is the best it’s ever been
What Phil calls "hinge and hold" doesn't mean holding the hinge all the way through impact, he's holding off a complete release, meaning the club head doesn't pass his hands. He's still has some release. Go watch his video, just after impact his lead arm and the club are in a perfectly straight line, not in a backwards angle.
You guys misinterpret Phil Ms instruction. The holding he refers to is after the club has caught up with the lead arm. You hold then, not the angle with hands way ahead. His technique works very well.
For standard chips and pitches, the hinge and hold method works well for me. The problem is when your in the rough or a down or uphill lie. That’s when it gets tricky
Releasing your hands at impact like you do at 6:45 is going to cause more problems for bad players than hinge and hold. Just my 2 cents.
The thing I like about Phil’s hinge and hold is it relaxes my arms when I have a tense chip shot and almost by magic it helps me get a crisp hit on ball. It does work more often than not and gives me a simple thought to follow. My only issue is I can’t help but think the hinge completely changes the loft depending how much I hinge. And I don’t like second guessing that when I’m over ball. So I guess it’s a matter of developing feel?
Just play the ball slightly further back in your stance so as to present less loft at the moment of impact. Doing so will also create more spin-and-"check" on the resulting shot onto the green. I have found I get more distance control on playing the ball further back in the stance, assuming the circumstances allow for it. Playing the chip shot from the inside of the front foot will result in the ball going higher and landing earlier but then releasing and running out quite a bit more, so this requires more precise execution of the correct "landing spot" otherwise the ball could easily run past the hole. For these kinds of shots, I almost always use my 64* wedge, and I play using a Srixon Z-Star ball, with gives good greenside spin.
With Phil’s technique you can open the face to use the bounce when needed, changed my chipping overnight
I actually use a bit of both. Since I have stiff wrists I tend to use more hold with almost no hinge. I also when I start hinging get the face turned too much as well. Part of that again is me but also that I have 1 Length Wedges with Full Face grooves. More forgiveness but also longer arc. I let the setup dictate the height but definitely work to brush the ground through the swing.
The truth is Phil doesn't actually 'hold' the angle on the way down, if he did he would swing right over the top of the ball, but instead he fully releases it, it's the RELEASE that is held or you might refer to it as the impact position, it's this that is held into the follow through, surprised you guys didn't explain this tbh...love ya channel though :) Ps - even though Phil refers to his method as hinge and hold, it's more like hinge, release and then hold, that's what he actually does and there's plenty of video evidence to verify this fact. Perhaps it's this misunderstanding that is screwing people up. Pps Oh and Phil doesn't 'dip' in the downswing because he releases the club, he actually is to blame for the confusion tbh on his video, it's hinge, release and then hold, not hinge n hold.
Finally someone caught on to this!!!
With the hinge & hold if you want a high trajectory put the ball off your front foot bump and run off the rear foot and always have your weight on your front foot. Simplest was to chip and pitch
Per my last comment, “Gentlemen, …. you’re demonstrating it incorrectly” I’m not saying you’re wrong, instead I’m saying it’s a matter of personal preference. Let’s have a detailed comparison between the Phil method and your method or the “Non-Phil” method.
BACKSWING:
Phil -> Much shorter
Non-Phil -> Much larger
Advantage Phil -> Why? Because with a larger backswing, the more risk for a bad shot.
WRIST HINGE:
Phil and Non-Phil are essentially the same. Both techniques recommend some wrist hinge.
DOWNSWING:
Phil -> More arms.
Non-Phil -> More shoulders or rotating on the spine.
Advantage Non-Phil -> Why? Rotating on the spine produces a more consistent swing.
USING the BOUNCE:
Phil and Non-Phil both recommend using the bounce since both techniques release the wrists, push through, and try and stay on the ground as long as possible.
FOLLOW THROUGH:
Phil -> Hold the wrists so you don’t flip the wrists. This will prevent blading the ball, but also forces you to slightly tighten the grip.
Non-Phil -> The wrists do flip through, albeit naturally. This increases the chances of blading the ball, but you don’t need to increase the grip pressure. In other words, the grip pressure is relaxed and constant throughout.
Advantages and disadvantages to both.
SUMMARY:
It's really personal preference. Do you prefer a shorter backswing, accelerating through with the arms, and no wrist flipping? Or do you prefer the larger backwing, slower downswing by rotating the spine, and natural flipping of the wrists?
Love this however I have some concerns over losing ball spin. Also controlling distance. Any thoughts? By the way I have watched this video at least 10 times. Thanks
I’ve never chipped good till I’ve watched Phil videos on chipping he’s the best nobody does it better.!!
I like Phil's approach but was inconsistent with it. Some rounds were great, others I would blade the ball, etc. Not much middle ground. Looking forward to trying your method !!
I've been focusing a lot on having a vertical shaft at set up and getting it back to vertical at contact. Haven't duffed a chip all summer.
Love it!!
Not gonna lie, I watched this short game clinic religiously and it caused a major shank in my full swing with short irons and wedges. Don’t know if it’s the forward press or what but this took me a while to get rid of. Couldn’t figure it out but now I’m cured and will never watch this short game video again.
So yes it works for some, but not all! Still know deep down that Phil is the short game wizard so I’m sad but it is what it is.
Me and My are misinterpreting phil's chip method. phil does not "hold" the wrist break at all. He accellerates his hands forward with a loose grip while allowing the clubhead to finish the backswing. at impact it 'looks' like he is holding it, but that's just where the angles are at that moment, as there is no "hold", just the clubhead in the process of catching up with the hands. Me and My state that you have to "dip" to get to the ball if you are holding the angles. However if you watch phil, he does not dip at all. He rotates through the shot. Now, granted, if you "hold" the angle during the swing you will sometimes mess up the delivery and stick it in the ground or skull it. The trick to phils chipping method is not to hold the angles at all, but to change directions with the hands first while allowing the clubhead to finish the backswing. Loose grip is key.
Not sure what these two blokes were even thinking, but Mickelson's "hinge-and-hold" technique is more or less correct for most golfers.
It teaches the basic foundation of keeping the weight forward, the hands forward, and the leading edge of the wedge down so that it can clip the ball from underneath and make crisp contact, as opposed to skulling or blading it.
The issues of the amount of loft and bounce on the sole of the wedge that should be used depending on the ball's lie and course conditions, are separate considerations.
One other issue that affects chipping greatly is the amount of grip pressure on the club's grip that the player exerts during the chip shot.
Stronger, firmer grip pressure will result in the ball jumping out and rolling considerably farther, while lighter grip pressure will result in the ball coming out softer and rolling a shorter distance.
It is obviously also much easier to get more "check" and spin on the ball when chipping from clean short fairway grass than it is from longer rough.
In short game, everything requires constant analysis and calculation but correctly executing Mickelson's proven chipping technique will usually yield better results, or at the very least, better misses.
Not from our experience Tony. We have been coaching now for over 20 years and many golfers have come to us trying this method and it’s hurt their game. We aren’t saying it can’t be done. It can for very skilled golfers. For most amateur golfers though we have seen more problems as you need to be so precise as there is no margin for error. Appreciate your comment though and insight
@@meandmygolf. I would suggest it's actually vice-versa...your technique, which seems to be reminiscent of Tommy Fleetwood's style, actually requires far more skill and precision for the casual, occasional, inexperienced, or novice-level golfer to execute, as compared to Phil Mickelson's more simplified "hinge and hold" method.
Also, Mickelson's technique does not require or promote dipping or knee-bending, as another previous commenter here has already chastised you for.
It's up to the player making the chip shot to select the amount of knee-bend required relative to the ball's uphill or downhill lie, and then simply execute the "hinge and hold", while finishing in a "taller", more upright posture.
The "tall/upright" finish is what you have also demonstrated with the Fleetwood technique, which I believe doesn't get emphasized enough in golf short-game instruction, generally.
It's essentially an extension of the same commitment to the follow-through towards the target that is also required when putting.
If you don't commit to the follow-through on your putt, odds are good the ball isn't going to make it to the target, and the same principle applies to chipping.
I would suggest correctly teaching BOTH techniques to your students and allowing them to determine which comes easier to them.
If they possess even a basic sense of hand-eye coordination and athletic ability, odds are good you will see them adopt their preferred technique rather quickly.
I have used Phil's technique for years without knowing it. It's super simple and consistent. Chipping is the strength of my game by far. The biggest problem I see using Phil's method is not opening the body to the target, which creates fats. I showed my wife this method and she is an excellent chipper of the ball. She had never held a club prior. This is more of a rotational type of movement.
I have the Callaway Phil M. grind on my wedges which flattens the base of the bounce allowing the club to slide alomg the ground. Phil has said he is hitting his shots slightly fat. His technique works but perhaps it's best to do with his grind ;-)
Get phooked phils method took strokes off my game i feel so comfy hitting it like that AND YOU GUYS LITERALLY SAID IT he works on his game thats why he is so good . If people work on their game they too.... will improve.
Phil's h and h remind me of the "flying wedge" advocated by the "golfing machine" which is an excellent method.
I use Phils hinge and hold 20-30-40 feet away. But, it breaks down close in say 10-20 away. I can't stop the ball running past the hole I know Phil shows how to do it, but like you say it need a high skill level to open that face up and hit the deck in exactly the right place, so I use your method close in to the green
For those 10-20 foot chips, just play the ball slightly further back in your stance (without opening the face) and slightly loosen your grip strength on the wedge as you execute the shot using Phil's same technique, and you will notice far better results. The ball is likely running past the hole on you because you are playing the ball too far forward in your stance and gripping the club too firmly, so the ball ends up "releasing" and running out much hotter and further than desired. Opening the face on a wedge may be required on rare occasions where you might need to fly it over a greenside bunker, but it will still usually result in the ball running out quite a bit once it hits the green, which makes hitting the correct landing spot far more critical in those situations.
Loved your voice. Let"'s think about distance. Love to see a video on controlling this.
Just gonna agree with the majority of comments that Phils instructional video completely transformed my short game from every swing that wasnt a full swing or a putt.
Chip shots, low bump n runs, lob and flop shots, pitch shots, bunker shots, i hinge and hold every single one and im pretty damn accurate from within 100 yards using anything 45-60 degrees.
His 3 foot and 6 foot circle putting drills are money too.
Guys.. I am a fan but you clearly just showed you cant do his hinge and hold. You DO NOT hold the hinge as you did in the demo. He releases the wrist from the hinge and keeps hands moving at impact to keep club head from passing the hands. You really need to pull this video as you described the hinge and hold totally wrong and that is why you struggle with it. Not bashing you bit Im shocked you dont know the shot or demo it correctly. Phil would cry if he saw you represent the shot this way. The shot should actually be called hinge, release with steep accelerated impact into ball and then hold off letting the clubhead passing the hands. I am sure other people here who do this shot right will say the same thing I just stated.
Yes. Per my two comments just above yours.
Chipped the "Phil way" before I had lessons. Was all good until I had to get over something. I saw your previous videos on chipping and thought I'd give it a go... I still can't chip 😂😂
Hinge and hold requires acceleration through the ball. This requires a lot of confidence vs. Shallow putting stroke chipping
Been trying to work more on what you've just shown here, when I was always a "hands- forward" person. Using the bounce has made it more consistent, just need to work on different chipping distance as far as height of the hands in the back swing. Practice practice practice! Lol
Great to hear you're using the bounce better. It's such a game changer when you get it.
What club are you chipping with??
This was my 52 degree wedge.
@@meandmygolf. thanks! Phil likes the 60 degree wedge I believe!
I sucked at chipping horrible i practices phils fpr 30 min before a round of golf and light bulb moment i was a beast at chipping now at ease chipping master
First of all you buy the Taylormade hi-toe 15 degrees bounce wide sole wedge, then you have to try to have a 15 degrees shaflean at impact or open the club more to increase the 15 degrees bounce even more. This until the club slides over the ground. That’s the theory you have to understand….
I bought Phil's short game DVD when it first came out, the putting section was very helpfull but the hinge and hold chipping method destroyed my shot consistancy around the green! I've heard Phil has said that he didn't feel he described the method as well as he would have liked but I haven't seen any actual comments from Phil?
Yes what he does is incredible. It's just so hard for the average golfer to execute consistently.
He was downright obnoxious about it. I.e. any other method but mine is wrong.
I love your videos and they help so much. But this one I respectfully disagree. The chipping video I know you’re referring to with Phil is the best video ever done on the topic and transformed my chipping. He made is so simple to hit crisp chips both high and low.
That's awesome Brett. As we say, it can work for some people but it's rare we see that. It's great for highly skilled golfers. We have just seen many people struggle with it. Happy to hear it helps you though.
I use Phil’s method I get it up and 90% of the time I can now spin and check the ball now
Well, Joe Mayo has explained this topic in details. He has proved that yes, if you hit the ground before the ball it will be a worse result, but it will be much easier to hit the ball clean if you hit quite a bit down on it. So Mayo is backing Phil's technique!
This is based on a misunderstanding of “hinge and hold.” Mickelson is very clear about that the bounce, not the leading edge, needs to be exposed to the ground. He does not hold an angle between club and left arm. Club is extension of left arm in followthrough in his videos.
How do you handle a ball just off the green where you are but in a little divot or tiny depression? Do you stab at it or softly employ your technique? Iowa golf courses are not perfectly manicured on the green or in the fairway, etc... It's like guerrilla warfare to golf here. What do I do? Sometimes I try to follow videos like yours or Phil's and I forget I am not on a southern course or fancy club. Thanks. p.s. I got the most out of your slo-mo at the end.
How many majors you guys win?
Great tip guys, thanks for another great video
Pleasure. Such a key topic to discuss. We all want a little room for error 👍🏻
I’ll trust the professional here PM
I think you are right because Phil has a lot of flexibility in his hip. If you don't have enough flexibility , using hinge and hold would be very difficult to play. Depends on your flexibility.
The hinge and hold is not bad. Important part is not hinge too much. It should be more like 5 minutes on the clock.
Wrong, Phil clearly allows the wrists to hinge back to alignment with wedge shaft. This happens through impact, which allows for finesse. Also you can rotate upper body through impact to utilise more bounce plus increase spin.
I came back to this method, as we have very tight fairways and fringes.
I was finding it too difficult to use Dan Grieves release 1. The bounce was causing too many thin shots.
The 3 releases are brilliant, but you need a little fluff under the ball to keep the anxiety levels down.
I am the world's worst chipper. Hit it and put it better than average but lose at least 10 shots per round chipping and pitching. When I hinge my right wrist then release it from the club at impact I can at least get it on the green.
I do not like Hinge and Hold personally. I do find it interesting that Phil, himself, admits that he does not "hold" the angle. Seems to me like a misnomer. He says that in reality, he just focuses on keeping his hands accelerating, and that this alone prevents the clubhead from overtaking them. But his wrist angle is pretty neutral (arm and shaft in-line) at impact; the wrist angle has fully unloaded.
In any case, I've always done better by using the bounce. It is also easier to handle different kinds of grass this way, because sticky grass as well as tight grass is pushed down, the same way, by the bounce.
My short game is pretty good and I love the hinge and hold, every time I try the "right way" I thin it over the green.
It's just finding what works for you. Keep doing what works.👍🏻
Excellent video
Thanks. Hope this was useful👍🏻
All pros do it a little different lol. Practice till you find what works for. I'm always a little skeptical when I hear someone says someone's method is incorrect or let me show you an easier way😊
I've been doing this for a day and I'm already 10x better at chipping than I was. Simple, repeatable, and effective. Thank you!
Surprised to see so many comments in Phil’s defense. I feel like he usually gets a lot of flack for his H&H method. What I find interesting is that you have a master tactician like Phil trying to distill his finesse down into repeatable details for an average golfer to understand which is hard. But when you look at his video, he definitely has some “release” of the club before impact. I think the “Hold” part of his method is more of “keep your hands accelerating through the follow-through”more than anything else. I’ve been practicing Phil’s method for a while and it’s changed my short game like no other. To each their own 🤷
It’s interesting that you wouldn’t show what people are doing wrong and purposely duffing it. I would have thought showing the mechanics of how the rest of the body works in sequence to this technique. You demonstrated dumping the club early and throwing the arms forward. I hinge and hold and chip very well, the feeling of lifting the left shoulder is the key as it doesn’t change the arc or low point. Funny how this could have been a video on controlling low point and then you have the option of both techniques
No fair you just stopped when showing Phills method . Hinge & hold works just fine if you dont over do forward shaft lean , dont decelerate. keep the body turning & have sufficient bounce. Not one of your better videos sorry.
You misunderstood Phil's instruction. He didn't say hold the hinge, he said hold the club in line with the arm through & after impact. Tthe hinge has already released. Frankly it's terminology, and Phil's hinge & hold is fundamnetally the same as Dan Grieve's release 1. And both work & help people if you don't hold the hinge, and use do the bounce, as both of them are doing anyway.
Your explanation of Phil’s hinge and hold is wildly inaccurate. One point in particular; Phil does not end with the club head below or behind the hands, but rather fully extended, with the shaft straight in line with the leading forearm, literally pointing at the target. Please watch Phil’s short game video before you mischaracterize it.
Another obvious error is your reference to chopping down at the ball, as you demonstrate stubbing your club into the turf.
Phil makes it perfectly clear that he is using the bounce, making a long flat bottom, through the turf, which he demonstrates in his video with additional animation.
If you want to demonstrate the difference between older style chipping where the club descends behind the ball and then flattens, as the say, like a steep airplane landing, and the current popular style in which the shaft returns to vertical at impact, fine. Do that, like literally every golf instructor on RUclips.
But please don’t set up Phil Mickelson’s hinge and hold as a straw man to demonstrate your point, because you must mischaracterize the method to make your point.
Nailed it.
Phil's method gives you the Consistency rather than just swinging around like this.
Yeah, this is one of the worst Video on this Channel. Phil's Hinge & Hold is actually really really easy and good.
Give over phil mickelson makes the game so simple. The hinge and hold method is the most simple technique in the world. I swear by it. Hes the greatest andhis chipping 101 as well is fantastic all golfers reading this its up to you but i think phil will imprpve all yoir game
Lets practice fatting the ball, cracking advice there guys.
You show a picture of him in his finished position which is chest and hips open thru the ball! Too many people think hinge and hold is hinge and stop…. If you continue rotating your chest and throw the angle from a shallow position it’s fine to use some of his techniques
Same as the Pete Cowan which is fantastic
I dunno. I applied Phils technique in my last round I played and I've never been more consistent with my chips. All my chips around the green were automatic 1 and 2 putts. zero 3 putts. I'd say do whatever works for you.
Phil advice works a lot better for me
I totally agree with them.I am a low handicap player and for a while I used the hinge and hold method.I was able to implement it but sometime I was too steep and I hit fat causing the ball to run only for few meters.The easiest method to chip for an amateur golfer is the one of Jason Day, minimum wrists hinge and very shallow swing.