After EQ, I am curious if the presence on the amp was turned down a bit it would remove that excessive scratchy freq. I presume it depends on what freq the presence is at. Sounds great !!
I used to have a Pittbull UL half stack with the fatbottom 4x12. In the room it was a similar experience.. It sounded sort of fizzy and not all that impressive but as soon as you started jamming with a drummer all those weird sizzly highs disappeared behind the cymbals and you were left with this absolutely massive tone with lots of punch in the lows and and chords roared.
Excellent stuff. Always been a big P50 fan. I put a pair in my old Crate Blue DooDoo cab alongside the stock V30s that it came with and it sounded fantastic. That low mid range with the P50s is legit 🤘😎
Awesome video! P50E is my favorite speaker. I love the clarity and punch of it. I have 2 fat bottoms and a old Randall with 2 p50e and 2 dv77s- its like a brutal clear hammer with Engl Fireball 100 and modded Marshall JVM. Will be the featured tones on upcoming Omnihility album: "Colossal Tides: The Great Devouring "
It's always amazing how a low-pass filter can transform a tone, although it shouldn't be surprising given how important filters are to synths. It would be cool to get really nerdy and have a custom built cabinet that had sliding sides so you could really hone in on the optimum size and shape for testing individual speakers.
Really great how you showed the importance of EQing and especially cutting out the lows you don't need. Sounded great. Should also check out the MojoTone BV-30V. They are excellent alternative as well as the Fryette P50E. A great combo I have found is the 30V and Greyhound by them. Really great and thorough review here.
A video about how you use the ultralead module would be really cool. Love the speaker videos, they’ve given me lots of ideas for mixing speakers in my cabs.
That Fryette sounds really cool! The fizz and hiss coming out of that V30 started making my head hurt lol. I'm always looking for new stuff speaker-wise so thank you for demonstrating the P50E, brother! :D
I really dig the p50e's live too its huge with out the 6/7 k spike with the v30 (which I do love as well) but the like all things Fryette way underrated! Get your hands on a Fryette CL100! It's the dark horse in the entire line up! Super percussive harmonic as a MOFO & covers so much sonic territory! The cleans to be had on both dirty channels are out of this world! Chicken pickin' on a Tele to absolute mayhem on your baritone. I sold my vh4 due to the CL100! I would love to see your reaction the 1st time you plug into the CL100 w/Fatbottom P50E loaded cab!!
This speeker is for studio work and not for gigging, I guess. And it is amazing how you heard the opportunity in the speeker despite the first hollow sound.
It's funny, I decided to get a front-loading vertical 2x12 locally built and load it with a DV-77 on the bottom and a P-50-E on the top! I get a great tone out of this setup, and haven't needed a V30. Also have a Swamp Thang that's sitting in an open-backed 1x12 (mostly for cleans) if I wanna mess around more, but I'm quite happy with what I'm hearing. Thanks for the Fryette love!
Weber speakers deserve a video. I bought a used 4x12 avatar cab to keep at the rehearsal spot. I built a custom cab with 2 2002 vintage 30's and 2 creamback 65's and I didn't want to lug it back and forth. The avatar 4x12 was surprisingly awesome. It's loaded with 8ohm ceramic Silver Bell's with heavy doping. Weber is a company I didn't pay much attention to. Now I plan on picking up a pair of Gray Wolf's and Blue Dog's. Weber makes amazing speakers with their own distinctive voice. There's a lot of videos of people playing blues or classic rock but they tend to be overlooked when it comes to metal. I know Emperor Cabs have used a lot of Weber speakers in their cabs and those sound fantastic.
That’s right. The Webers never sounded that great in most other videos I have watched about them. That’s why I have stayed away so far. Which ones do you recommend?
It's definitely a cool speaker! Back in the day, all the guitar forums would say to get the most out of a Fryette/VHT head, you had to get a Fryette/VHT cab with these speakers. I think Unearth's album "III: In the Eyes of Fire" used these as well. I had a D120h with a 4x12 Deliverance cab and blew half of the P50e's by running the amp at 3 with the mids cranked over several months. Never quite understood how I managed that with the wattage ratings. Had to get V30's to replace it as the P50e's were unavailable at the time.
I ran my VHT Sig:X for years with a set of Mesa V30s in a Marshall 1960A cabinet. Once I got a VHT FB412, it was like a match made in heaven. Honestly, every amp I ever played thru my FB412 sounded better.
I have a a Fryette fat bottom with P50E's. The 2 pairs in mine sound quite different, with one pair sounding more hollow, and one thinner and brighter. In the room the cab sounds a bit hollow though, but i like teh character of the speaker. My plan right now is to replace 2 P50E's with DV77's and i have already tried with blending some IR's of this combo and i think it's great. So i can't wait to test it IRL, will be sharing my results in the Kohle discord of course :) Also, that picture of the Pitbull is my picture, of my Pitbull haha!
It’s a sorta well UNknown fact that the fat bottom cabinet and p50e were partially responsible for the legendary metalcore record “the end of heartache” by Killswitch engage. The setup was a 5150 into the fat bottom p50e loaded cab, and a framus dragon into a mesa traditional recto cab. Mics were an sm57 and an (original) akg c3000 blended. By the way it would be cool to see you do a video on the akg c3000 blending with an sm57, but be careful because the thing was reinvented like 3 times and just because it says akg c3000 on the name tag does not mean it’s the same mic as the late 90s/early 2000’s. Sources: my first hand convos with joel and Adam and also you can find andy sneep confirming some of these facts on his old forum. Edit: A couple of years ago I finally got ahold of a p50e loaded vht fat bottom cab and with my 5150 it sounded AWESOME. But if you’re jamming in a room with the cab you kinda have to dime both the resonance and the low end control on the 5150 (probably due to the cabinet being front loaded). And when I mic’d it up (cab was from 2005 and speakers were broken in) I did a lot of the same eq as yourself. Mine may have even been worse than your brand new speaker. Cheers and thanks for covering this topic!
I’d like to hear it in a rear loaded cab. Fryette is a genius, but to me all front loaded cabs sound like that. You can also use a 16 ohm speaker with 8’s if you set it up as a 3x12. 2 8’s in series, those in parallel with the 16. Load ends up an 8ohm.
I think you should check out the canna rex speaker from eminance. Just put it in a cab to replace a v30 and it has such a smoother high end and silkier mids. Huge but usable lows too.
8:40 I absolutely love the V30 combined with the P50. By itself, the P50 sounded too tinny to me; not enough bark in the low end. Combined with the V30 to get that saturated but controlled, high-gain sound lets them both shine.
You're right man, when you switched back to the v30, it almost sounded phasey or something! I bet with the right settings, this Fryette speaker would be GREAT for single note leads. Two 16 ohms in parallel in a 2x12 cab gives you 8 ohms. I love 2x12's for leads, mixed with 4x12's on rhythm. Cuts through nicely, and fits right in the mix, with less eq on the bottom sometimes. Is the P50 a 50 watt? It maybe also might take a little more ass behind it to get it moving like a V30, dunno. Less sensitivity. I bet cranked a little harder than the v30, it gets even a little better? I might try this Fryette speaker. Sounds real nice. Good solid mids after your handy eq work. Nice video as always, and thanks for the tip. Appreciate you man!
I use my dual rectifier with one mesa rectifier 412 stock v30 and a orange PPC412HP-8 with celestion G12K100. It sounds incredible for me. So Christian maybe you Check the g12k100 its also a 8 ohm speaker. ;-)
I recently bought an old Peavey cab it was loaded with Eminence "black dot" 12" speakers. I guess these were pretty popular in the 70's. I can't find much info on them. But they sound great. Because of your videos I've been thinking about loading the bottom half of the cab with another Eminence. I was leaning towards the DV-77's because the IR pack was great. But now I'm thinking about grabbing some of these. Also I picked up another cab in the deal. An old Peavey Butcher cab. It's loaded with Celestion GT-K85's. Brother! grab a pair if you can! These fucking rule! I play death metal and stoner/doom in low tunings. These destroy my V30's, Greenbacks and Creambacks. Who would have known higher an output rating just sounds better with heavy guitars.
Hmm I really wanted to like this speaker when I was using it. It's thick low end is awesome but it always sounded too distant and honky for my taste, no matter which mic setup I used. It needed a lot of eqing to cut through the mix. Ended using DV77 IRs instead which are much more mix friendly imo. But since I own a deliverance head, I think I'll have to give this speaker a second chance. Would love to hear how it would sound on it's own in a mix.
Can you test Celestion BN12-300S in guitar cabs in context of metal with high gain guitar and baritone tones? They're famous online for being designed as bass speakers but sounding really good with guitars due to how they're voiced. I emailed Celestion and they said you can even safely use them in open cabs using bass guitar and they won't get damaged, signed by Dr. Decibel and that they would recommend it if you want to be able to use the same cab for bass and for guitar, or if you have a baritone, an 8-string, etc. and that whether I use a ported cab, a closed/sealed cab or an open one it will just affect the tone, how much low end there is, but no matter the cab it should sound good with lead guitar tones and also withstand the excursion of a bass guitar and hence the recommendation for baritones or setups that are for both guitars and bases and so on. Form what I found online it is a bit less coloured, flatter than typical guitar speakers, but more mid bumped than typical bass speakers. Some people say that makes them a great alternative to FRFR to use a tube power amp and a cab with these instead that it will sound better but will still replicate well the nature whatever the sims are trying to simulate without changing the nature of the sound, which makes me also wonder responsive these would be to the EQ in a regular tube amp, and also how much an extra EQ in the effects loop would do to affect their sound with these speakers. But yeah most importantly I would be interested in just how good they perform with high gain and low tuned guitars/baritones in different types of cabs (closed, semi-open, open, 2x12, 4x12, etc.).
You should try the Mojotone Greyhound. I just installed it into a 112 Mojotone I have and it sounds amazing. Full sounding and well-rounded, especially in the upper mids.
I loaded them in an empty Mesa oversized 4x12" cab that I bought used. They sound perfect with the Triple Rectifier, it's almost as if they were voiced with Rectifier users in mind.
@KohleAudioKult really!? I need to check it out! Yes that are discontinued... I got some in a old Mesa 2x12, sounds great 😊 Thanks for the reply, Cheers from Switzerland
Fryette makes some unique stuff. My deliverance is a ton of fun to play. Have a couple clips on my page of it. I’ve come to find these days that I don’t like 8 ohm speakers as much as 16s. I like the more aggressive scooped sound and high end of 16s as opposed to the “warmer” 8s.
I wonder if this is a good candidate for micing up with a ribbon? Perhaps the naturally, attenuated high frequencies of the ribbon mic may complement this perfectly.
Cool! Wiill definitely steal this tricks! Tried to use this Fryette for a while, but never manage to get a cool tone. Didn't know it was the same as VHT!
Thanks! Which video is that. Whenever I watched a video about them they didn’t sound great. Could be the fault of the engineer and not the speaker though!
I can't remember now, since you've done so many speaker videos across multiple channels, but have you ever checked out the Invader from WGS? If not that one might be fun, especially if you have a fondness for Greenbacks.
I bought a used Peavey valve king 112 on eBay, the speaker is garbage I was thinking about a Jensen for it which one would you recommend for a combo amp, it's a 50 watt amp with a 1 by 12 speaker 1 6 ohm it days on the valve king garbage speaker. Love your mixes and channel.
Another nice video! I think the 50 watts hp Reaper from WGS it's another cool speaker :D Maybe it will sound good mixed with some Eminence stuff, like the CV 77. 🤘
@@KohleAudioKult I remember about it, that video sparked my interest about these speakers. A great comparison, analysis and pairing suggestion from you would be awesome. Thanks.
I'm waiting for a company to make a 3x12 cab that allows you to mix and match Ohm ratings. 2x16 Ohm + 1x8 Ohm for either 4 or 16 Ohms, or 2x8 Ohm + 1x16 Ohm = 8 Ohms, 2x8 Ohm + 1x4 Ohm = 8 Ohms, 2x4 Ohm + 8 Ohm = 4 or 16 Ohms, etc. It would also allow for mixing and matching of speakers with very different Ohm and Wattage ratings without wasting headroom, or for maximized headroom on a speaker cone you don't want to break up paired with one you do want to break up. And, if it allowed for 2+1 asymmetric stereo, you could run two solid state amps with different optimal wattage output ratings and blend them in the same cab, or intentionally have a pair of speakers for one amp tone and the other speaker for your other amp tone; I think that would be great for chainsaw blending. You could use an 4 Ohm 150 Watt Texas Heat, and then pair it in series with two 70 Watt 8 Ohm DV-77's in parallel, with a real world combined wattage handling of 280 Watts at 8 Ohms. You could likewise do the same with a 16 Ohm Man-O-War in parallel with a series pair of Private Jack and Guit-Fiddle at 8 Ohms apiece, and have an 8 Ohm max load of 200 Watts. For the example here in your video, a single 50 W, 16 Ohm speaker could easily be wired parallel to a paired series with two 25 or 30 W speakers, or two 50 Watt, 16 Ohm speakers could be wired in parallel, than that paired with a single 60, 70, or 75 Watt speaker at 8 Ohms in series. Some of these speakers have VASTLY different Wattage handling, and not everyone wants to lug around multiple cabs to gigs or recording sessions. It's easier to do math and not lug heavy ass shit around. The only thing that should be heavy and brutal is the music.
EDITED : NB : The EQ on the amp can't get surgical for fixing peaky stuff, unlike the Fabfilter EQ Kristian used in post in this vid. However it would be interesting to hear how much he can do to the recorded sound just with the amp EQ and no post EQ.
While I generally love your tones, we’ve had a few disagreements on speakers. I love the Fane F70, you hate it. You love the Jensen Electric Lightning, I don’t like it at all. Different strokes, right! This Fryette speaker sounds like the Swamp Thang IMO. Love your videos and the array of sounds! See you in the KULT, brother!
How about the Electro Voice Black Label Society EV12L Zakk Wylde Signature speakers. They are 300W and are the same cost price of two Celestion speakers in most cases. What's up with those?
Good call. I just never heard them sounding good for high gain tones anywhere. I used to have a Laboga 3x12" cab loaded with two V30s and one EV. Never used that speaker. but yeah, it's a classic. Maybe I just don't get it.
I hate that some speakers can only handle such small wattage, and you have to combine multiples of them at weird Ohm ratings to make them usable with higher wattage amps. Solid state amps can easily crank out 50, 60, 75, or 100 Watts without weighing a ton. I don't want to carry a 4x12 and a high wattage 1x12 for my tone blending rig all the time.
Hey i am have Warehouse Guitar Speakers Reaper HP50's. Can you do reviews of Reaper HP50 and do a def metal song with different mic placements. I am have seen it on your IR packs 2. And it would be awesome with and without some Superior and Easy drummer blended as well. Thanks. Or send me to make good guitar and drums destroy. ... Favorite 'medieval & metal' speakers include: Celestion NEO V-Type, Celestion V-Type, Hesu Demon, Jensen 10" Falcon 40, WGS ET90, ET65. WGS Reaper HP50. Jensen Nighthawk 75. Eminence CV75. Celestion Hempback. Celestion Lynch Back. Jensen C12K2. BGT white stripe, BGT in flames. Tone Tubby Alnico Red. Voghan Red Rose. Celestion Alnico Blue. Eminence Black Powder. Eminence DV77. Eminence V128.
Most of my speakers sound best when using lots of gain/distortion EQ'd with Bass boosted , mids scooped and the screechy highs chopped off. since V30s have more of the upper mid "best " sound of the guitar strings to start with, you have more/different EQ options. Weren't guitar speakers originally made to go through a tube amp into a clean sounding cabinet for the old '50s fender twin twangy tone? That's great for clearly cutting through a full band where a Fat guitar tone would be swallowed by the organ and other instruments and the same mid-range sound range. Heavy rock guitar and heavy metals tone is a whole other animal entirely made to rock your bones and organs- not ice pick stab you in the ear. And then there's all the deaf guitarists that have too many highs cuz they can't hear them anymore proceeding to deafen their audience with the same painful highs. Play loud and proud more gain less pain.!
It would have been interesting to EQ the speaker in a way to get it as close to the V30 as possible. You cut too much highs and upper mids for that. It's not really a comparison of two speakers, but rather an example of how you can tailor sounds with an EQ (which works very well with distorted electric guitars). With the signals as similar as possible, you would probably hear that the speaker has a nicer midrange. But the way you did it, it's guesswork. (FYI, I have been a professional recording, mixing and mastering engineer for 37 years.)
@@KohleAudioKult kann sein. Ich selber habe 5St. an 4x12" Boxen von ihm. Find die echt Klasse. Vielleicht könnte man mal Organisationen, dass du einen solchen Lautsprecher bekommst zum Testen.
They'll never admit, but how many others gears would be dusted and wasted but those that clearly seem to ignore the main board wayward?! Satisfaction, uh?! I don't know what it is. Namastè.
RAW V30 wins, EQ'd the freyette is fat and has this depth in the midrange that sounds more 3 dimensional, the v30 is probably more cutting but for slower heavier stuff (not thrash or technical death metal) I think its a winner, and given that Freyette amps seem to be more the hard rock camp than the tight metal camp, this makes sense and I am sure suits a Pitbull very well.
Wait wait wait wait. 8 ohm speakers sound darker than 16 ohm variants? Is there a video specifically on this topic? I'm calling bullshit otherwise. Love you and love your show, man but I'd like to check out some evidence!
How do you like the speaker? Before and after EQ? 🤩
Sounded really good, especially after EQing but since you managed to polish the turd that is the G12T-75, this did not come as a surprise 😂
I really liked the chunky sound after EQing! About to check out the IRs right now in the Kult.
That tight and thick, rippling rubber deep bass chug is ultimate necessity on a track. it is definitely going to be fun. Thanks for this gold.
Sounds great and your eq was quite similar to the eq I had to do on the same speaker in my fat bottom cabinet.
After EQ, I am curious if the presence on the amp was turned down a bit it would remove that excessive scratchy freq. I presume it depends on what freq the presence is at. Sounds great !!
I used to have a Pittbull UL half stack with the fatbottom 4x12. In the room it was a similar experience.. It sounded sort of fizzy and not all that impressive but as soon as you started jamming with a drummer all those weird sizzly highs disappeared behind the cymbals and you were left with this absolutely massive tone with lots of punch in the lows and and chords roared.
Oh yeah, really looking forward to hearing the Hesu Demon to make an appearance in one of these. Amazing stuff to see your analytic hearing at work.
Yeah, the demon should appear on the channel sooner or later for sure!
I didn't care for the P50Es when I had them, I really like the Fane F70s that Fryette is using now though.
Excellent stuff. Always been a big P50 fan. I put a pair in my old Crate Blue DooDoo cab alongside the stock V30s that it came with and it sounded fantastic. That low mid range with the P50s is legit 🤘😎
Awesome video! P50E is my favorite speaker. I love the clarity and punch of it. I have 2 fat bottoms and a old Randall with 2 p50e and 2 dv77s- its like a brutal clear hammer with Engl Fireball 100 and modded Marshall JVM. Will be the featured tones on upcoming Omnihility album: "Colossal Tides: The Great Devouring "
It's always amazing how a low-pass filter can transform a tone, although it shouldn't be surprising given how important filters are to synths. It would be cool to get really nerdy and have a custom built cabinet that had sliding sides so you could really hone in on the optimum size and shape for testing individual speakers.
Really great how you showed the importance of EQing and especially cutting out the lows you don't need. Sounded great. Should also check out the MojoTone BV-30V. They are excellent alternative as well as the Fryette P50E. A great combo I have found is the 30V and Greyhound by them. Really great and thorough review here.
A video about how you use the ultralead module would be really cool. Love the speaker videos, they’ve given me lots of ideas for mixing speakers in my cabs.
I’m checking out a full Fryette rig at the moment. Video coming soon!
That Fryette sounds really cool! The fizz and hiss coming out of that V30 started making my head hurt lol. I'm always looking for new stuff speaker-wise so thank you for demonstrating the P50E, brother! :D
I really dig the p50e's live too its huge with out the 6/7 k spike with the v30 (which I do love as well) but the like all things Fryette way underrated! Get your hands on a Fryette CL100! It's the dark horse in the entire line up! Super percussive harmonic as a MOFO & covers so much sonic territory! The cleans to be had on both dirty channels are out of this world! Chicken pickin' on a Tele to absolute mayhem on your baritone. I sold my vh4 due to the CL100! I would love to see your reaction the 1st time you plug into the CL100 w/Fatbottom P50E loaded cab!!
This speeker is for studio work and not for gigging, I guess.
And it is amazing how you heard the opportunity in the speeker despite the first hollow sound.
Ive got a couple VHT fattbottom cabs with these in em. Killer cabs killer speakers just don't expect them to add any "color". They're very clean
Wild amount of honk in the first example of the Fryette.
It's funny, I decided to get a front-loading vertical 2x12 locally built and load it with a DV-77 on the bottom and a P-50-E on the top! I get a great tone out of this setup, and haven't needed a V30. Also have a Swamp Thang that's sitting in an open-backed 1x12 (mostly for cleans) if I wanna mess around more, but I'm quite happy with what I'm hearing. Thanks for the Fryette love!
I’m pretty sure the DV performs just as well as the v30 in combination with the P50.
Before grabbing the EQ to make the P50E sounds "right", i suggest experimenting with mic position (which Kristian did) and mic choice.
I dig it. Just a different feel from what we're used to for high gain. Little EQ, little shaping and such, sounds great!
Weber speakers deserve a video. I bought a used 4x12 avatar cab to keep at the rehearsal spot. I built a custom cab with 2 2002 vintage 30's and 2 creamback 65's and I didn't want to lug it back and forth. The avatar 4x12 was surprisingly awesome. It's loaded with 8ohm ceramic Silver Bell's with heavy doping. Weber is a company I didn't pay much attention to. Now I plan on picking up a pair of Gray Wolf's and Blue Dog's. Weber makes amazing speakers with their own distinctive voice. There's a lot of videos of people playing blues or classic rock but they tend to be overlooked when it comes to metal. I know Emperor Cabs have used a lot of Weber speakers in their cabs and those sound fantastic.
That’s right.
The Webers never sounded that great in most other videos I have watched about them. That’s why I have stayed away so far. Which ones do you recommend?
Well done man. Great vid. Really good insight on possibilities. Happy Holidays.
Very interested in this one! Might have to pick one up
Do it! It’s fun
Try the celestion v60, perfect for marshall type sounds and also a killer complement to V30 in a mix or in a cab
It's definitely a cool speaker! Back in the day, all the guitar forums would say to get the most out of a Fryette/VHT head, you had to get a Fryette/VHT cab with these speakers. I think Unearth's album "III: In the Eyes of Fire" used these as well.
I had a D120h with a 4x12 Deliverance cab and blew half of the P50e's by running the amp at 3 with the mids cranked over several months. Never quite understood how I managed that with the wattage ratings. Had to get V30's to replace it as the P50e's were unavailable at the time.
I ran my VHT Sig:X for years with a set of Mesa V30s in a Marshall 1960A cabinet. Once I got a VHT FB412, it was like a match made in heaven. Honestly, every amp I ever played thru my FB412 sounded better.
" I think Unearth's album "III: In the Eyes of Fire" used these as well."
Fantastic tone on that album (and killer album).
I have a a Fryette fat bottom with P50E's. The 2 pairs in mine sound quite different, with one pair sounding more hollow, and one thinner and brighter. In the room the cab sounds a bit hollow though, but i like teh character of the speaker.
My plan right now is to replace 2 P50E's with DV77's and i have already tried with blending some IR's of this combo and i think it's great. So i can't wait to test it IRL, will be sharing my results in the Kohle discord of course :)
Also, that picture of the Pitbull is my picture, of my Pitbull haha!
Was thinking of throwing 2 DV77 into my Fatbottom 4x12 to pair with the P50E as well. Have you tried them together yet in your cab?
Really like P50E after EQ, also would be interesting to try it with DV-77. Thanks for the video!
That combo should work pretty well!
It’s a sorta well UNknown fact that the fat bottom cabinet and p50e were partially responsible for the legendary metalcore record “the end of heartache” by Killswitch engage. The setup was a 5150 into the fat bottom p50e loaded cab, and a framus dragon into a mesa traditional recto cab. Mics were an sm57 and an (original) akg c3000 blended. By the way it would be cool to see you do a video on the akg c3000 blending with an sm57, but be careful because the thing was reinvented like 3 times and just because it says akg c3000 on the name tag does not mean it’s the same mic as the late 90s/early 2000’s.
Sources: my first hand convos with joel and Adam and also you can find andy sneep confirming some of these facts on his old forum.
Edit: A couple of years ago I finally got ahold of a p50e loaded vht fat bottom cab and with my 5150 it sounded AWESOME. But if you’re jamming in a room with the cab you kinda have to dime both the resonance and the low end control on the 5150 (probably due to the cabinet being front loaded). And when I mic’d it up (cab was from 2005 and speakers were broken in) I did a lot of the same eq as yourself. Mine may have even been worse than your brand new speaker. Cheers and thanks for covering this topic!
@snapascrew : NB : love your YT channel man
@djabthrash thanks! 🤘❤️
@@KohleAudioKult I was talking about the commenter snapascrew YT channel haha :)
(but i dig your channel too :) )
@@djabthrashyo! Thanks!
I’d like to hear it in a rear loaded cab. Fryette is a genius, but to me all front loaded cabs sound like that.
You can also use a 16 ohm speaker with 8’s if you set it up as a 3x12. 2 8’s in series, those in parallel with the 16. Load ends up an 8ohm.
That’s right! I just wasn’t in the mood for rewiring the cab for one video.
Klingt echt super. Würde immer noch nen Celestion Rola G12-65 für nen Test vorschlagen!
Love the VHT/P50 stuff in the Two Notes Torpedo products, and i dig the tone here too.
Would have been better to hear it also in context hehe :)
I think you should check out the canna rex speaker from eminance. Just put it in a cab to replace a v30 and it has such a smoother high end and silkier mids. Huge but usable lows too.
8:40 I absolutely love the V30 combined with the P50. By itself, the P50 sounded too tinny to me; not enough bark in the low end. Combined with the V30 to get that saturated but controlled, high-gain sound lets them both shine.
For some reason it reminds me of the Chinese G12T75.
You're right man, when you switched back to the v30, it almost sounded phasey or something! I bet with the right settings, this Fryette speaker would be GREAT for single note leads. Two 16 ohms in parallel in a 2x12 cab gives you 8 ohms. I love 2x12's for leads, mixed with 4x12's on rhythm. Cuts through nicely, and fits right in the mix, with less eq on the bottom sometimes. Is the P50 a 50 watt? It maybe also might take a little more ass behind it to get it moving like a V30, dunno. Less sensitivity. I bet cranked a little harder than the v30, it gets even a little better? I might try this Fryette speaker. Sounds real nice. Good solid mids after your handy eq work. Nice video as always, and thanks for the tip. Appreciate you man!
It Dies Today used a VHT cab to get their tone on The Caitiff Choir album. I think that album has one of the most brutal tones recorded.
Once I bought a Fatbottom 412 w/P50E speakers, I never went back to a Vintage 30. SOOO much better
I use my dual rectifier with one mesa rectifier 412 stock v30 and a orange PPC412HP-8 with celestion G12K100. It sounds incredible for me. So Christian maybe you Check the g12k100 its also a 8 ohm speaker. ;-)
I recently bought an old Peavey cab it was loaded with Eminence "black dot" 12" speakers. I guess these were pretty popular in the 70's. I can't find much info on them. But they sound great. Because of your videos I've been thinking about loading the bottom half of the cab with another Eminence. I was leaning towards the DV-77's because the IR pack was great. But now I'm thinking about grabbing some of these. Also I picked up another cab in the deal. An old Peavey Butcher cab. It's loaded with Celestion GT-K85's. Brother! grab a pair if you can! These fucking rule! I play death metal and stoner/doom in low tunings. These destroy my V30's, Greenbacks and Creambacks. Who would have known higher an output rating just sounds better with heavy guitars.
Hell-yeah talking about guitar speakers anyday.
Hmm I really wanted to like this speaker when I was using it. It's thick low end is awesome but it always sounded too distant and honky for my taste, no matter which mic setup I used. It needed a lot of eqing to cut through the mix. Ended using DV77 IRs instead which are much more mix friendly imo. But since I own a deliverance head, I think I'll have to give this speaker a second chance. Would love to hear how it would sound on it's own in a mix.
Blend the two!
Can you test Celestion BN12-300S in guitar cabs in context of metal with high gain guitar and baritone tones? They're famous online for being designed as bass speakers but sounding really good with guitars due to how they're voiced. I emailed Celestion and they said you can even safely use them in open cabs using bass guitar and they won't get damaged, signed by Dr. Decibel and that they would recommend it if you want to be able to use the same cab for bass and for guitar, or if you have a baritone, an 8-string, etc. and that whether I use a ported cab, a closed/sealed cab or an open one it will just affect the tone, how much low end there is, but no matter the cab it should sound good with lead guitar tones and also withstand the excursion of a bass guitar and hence the recommendation for baritones or setups that are for both guitars and bases and so on. Form what I found online it is a bit less coloured, flatter than typical guitar speakers, but more mid bumped than typical bass speakers. Some people say that makes them a great alternative to FRFR to use a tube power amp and a cab with these instead that it will sound better but will still replicate well the nature whatever the sims are trying to simulate without changing the nature of the sound, which makes me also wonder responsive these would be to the EQ in a regular tube amp, and also how much an extra EQ in the effects loop would do to affect their sound with these speakers. But yeah most importantly I would be interested in just how good they perform with high gain and low tuned guitars/baritones in different types of cabs (closed, semi-open, open, 2x12, 4x12, etc.).
Hey Kohle, not for nothing but I would out and out buy these. I have you DV-77 pack and it looks like it would complement them really well.
Do something on my favorite, Jensen The Raptor. Been running it since it released. It is unique.
I think I even have one somewhere here in the studio
You should try the Mojotone Greyhound. I just installed it into a 112 Mojotone I have and it sounds amazing. Full sounding and well-rounded, especially in the upper mids.
Never heard of that one. I’ll have a look!
I loaded them in an empty Mesa oversized 4x12" cab that I bought used. They sound perfect with the Triple Rectifier, it's almost as if they were voiced with Rectifier users in mind.
P50e and the Fane F70 are just some of the best damn speakers. Steve Fryette knows whats up.
I live my Celestion G12 Century Vintage, hope you can try some one day :)
Great video as always!
I have showed that one in another video!
Good speaker. I think it’s discontinued though.
@KohleAudioKult really!? I need to check it out!
Yes that are discontinued...
I got some in a old Mesa 2x12, sounds great 😊
Thanks for the reply, Cheers from Switzerland
Fryette makes some unique stuff. My deliverance is a ton of fun to play. Have a couple clips on my page of it. I’ve come to find these days that I don’t like 8 ohm speakers as much as 16s. I like the more aggressive scooped sound and high end of 16s as opposed to the “warmer” 8s.
11:01 the un-EQ-ed sounds almost like a poweramp out (with no cab/mic IR) signal in comparison to the EQ-ed tone hehe
I wonder if this is a good candidate for micing up with a ribbon? Perhaps the naturally, attenuated high frequencies of the ribbon mic may complement this perfectly.
Indeed.
The VHT/P50cab with ribbon mic (R121, etc) combo is the shit in the Two Notes Torpedo products.
Love my Fryette, That P50E isn't to shabby.
Yes ! Miss the speaker video's 👍
That EQ'd P50 sounds really good
I wanna hear you try out the MojoTone Greyhound
Cool! Wiill definitely steal this tricks! Tried to use this Fryette for a while, but never manage to get a cool tone. Didn't know it was the same as VHT!
The frequencies might be slightly different though! Have a look on the analyser
Look into some Ted Weber tone cvlt series speakers, I don’t think you’ll be disappointed! There’s a video out there on that series speaker.
Thanks! Which video is that. Whenever I watched a video about them they didn’t sound great. Could be the fault of the engineer and not the speaker though!
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@@KohleAudioKult give that video a shot of you haven’t yet. I use the silver wolf. Cheers
Love to see how the Celestion BN-12 300S would stack up.
I’d love to see a video on the Celestion Redback. Not a lot of high gain videos on those
"resington" on YT has some great free IR packs made with those
I can't remember now, since you've done so many speaker videos across multiple channels, but have you ever checked out the Invader from WGS? If not that one might be fun, especially if you have a fondness for Greenbacks.
Would love to see what you think of that one. The Celestion Redback
I tried it once and didn’t like it. Can’t remember why though.
@@KohleAudioKult Thanks man. I so love your channel, its a pleasure to listen to you.
The reason I asked is because I have 2 mixed with 2 K100s and I wanted to see what your opinion was. All good. Cheers
If you need all that processing to make a speaker sound good, it is good?
I bought a used Peavey valve king 112 on eBay, the speaker is garbage I was thinking about a Jensen for it which one would you recommend for a combo amp, it's a 50 watt amp with a 1 by 12 speaker 1 6 ohm it days on the valve king garbage speaker. Love your mixes and channel.
Kohle, great video! Have you tried a Celestion Alnico Cream?
That's the only Creamback I haven't tried. I did a video on the other three through.
@@KohleAudioKult If you get a chance I think you'd like it! To me it sounds more like a V30 than the other creambacks.
I have p50s in an engl 2x12. With a 10 band in the loop, you can make them sound 10x better than a v30
Can you go deeper into when you said 8ohms are darker? Do the ohms actually matter when it comes to tone?
You’ll find the answer here:
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Another nice video! I think the 50 watts hp Reaper from WGS it's another cool speaker :D
Maybe it will sound good mixed with some Eminence stuff, like the CV 77. 🤘
I did introduce the Reaper in one of my videos. It’s been a while though
Please try the G15V-100, basically 15 inch greenbacks? I have two in a cab and they sound monstrous for metal 😁
But I need to get a 2x15 guitar cab for that 😮
@KohleAudioKult definitely worth the effort ;) I made a new baffle for an empty 412 straight cab to put my two fifteens in 😁
Please do the Jensen Tornado 65, 80 and 100 nobody talks about them but they seem a great neodymium option. Thanks
I did do a lengthy video about the Tornado Stealth 65 some years ago. I think that even was my very first speaker video ever.
@@KohleAudioKult I remember about it, that video sparked my interest about these speakers.
A great comparison, analysis and pairing suggestion from you would be awesome.
Thanks.
I'm waiting for a company to make a 3x12 cab that allows you to mix and match Ohm ratings. 2x16 Ohm + 1x8 Ohm for either 4 or 16 Ohms, or 2x8 Ohm + 1x16 Ohm = 8 Ohms, 2x8 Ohm + 1x4 Ohm = 8 Ohms, 2x4 Ohm + 8 Ohm = 4 or 16 Ohms, etc. It would also allow for mixing and matching of speakers with very different Ohm and Wattage ratings without wasting headroom, or for maximized headroom on a speaker cone you don't want to break up paired with one you do want to break up. And, if it allowed for 2+1 asymmetric stereo, you could run two solid state amps with different optimal wattage output ratings and blend them in the same cab, or intentionally have a pair of speakers for one amp tone and the other speaker for your other amp tone; I think that would be great for chainsaw blending. You could use an 4 Ohm 150 Watt Texas Heat, and then pair it in series with two 70 Watt 8 Ohm DV-77's in parallel, with a real world combined wattage handling of 280 Watts at 8 Ohms. You could likewise do the same with a 16 Ohm Man-O-War in parallel with a series pair of Private Jack and Guit-Fiddle at 8 Ohms apiece, and have an 8 Ohm max load of 200 Watts.
For the example here in your video, a single 50 W, 16 Ohm speaker could easily be wired parallel to a paired series with two 25 or 30 W speakers, or two 50 Watt, 16 Ohm speakers could be wired in parallel, than that paired with a single 60, 70, or 75 Watt speaker at 8 Ohms in series.
Some of these speakers have VASTLY different Wattage handling, and not everyone wants to lug around multiple cabs to gigs or recording sessions. It's easier to do math and not lug heavy ass shit around. The only thing that should be heavy and brutal is the music.
Curious of the in the room sound with an eq'd amp vs all the eq in post
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NB : The EQ on the amp can't get surgical for fixing peaky stuff, unlike the Fabfilter EQ Kristian used in post in this vid.
However it would be interesting to hear how much he can do to the recorded sound just with the amp EQ and no post EQ.
I would love to see if another mic can get rid of the nasty frequencies without using EQ.
hello! How many dB have this P50?
I desperately want to hear Where The Slime Lives played with the final tone, haha.
Haha! Good call.
haha
While I generally love your tones, we’ve had a few disagreements on speakers. I love the Fane F70, you hate it. You love the Jensen Electric Lightning, I don’t like it at all. Different strokes, right!
This Fryette speaker sounds like the Swamp Thang IMO.
Love your videos and the array of sounds! See you in the KULT, brother!
Oh no! I neither hate the the F70 nor do I love the EL.
Both speakers that need to be blended IMO though.
I have a cab with Swamp Thang/F70 combo, sounds fucking huge.
Yeah, that sounds like it could work very well @@Eliphas_Elric
The F70 I have sounds really bright. "Swamping it up" my be great.
@@KohleAudioKult Give the pairing a spin and see what you think. It's so thick and nasty sounding.
@@KohleAudioKultlove that response. I apologize for using absolutes 🤘🏼
Ideally, it would be reasonable to add UK's V30 T4335 Mesa OEM until 2001 to the comparison
i would recommand tchecking the WGS ET90 for metal
How about the Electro Voice Black Label Society EV12L Zakk Wylde Signature speakers. They are 300W and are the same cost price of two Celestion speakers in most cases. What's up with those?
Good call. I just never heard them sounding good for high gain tones anywhere.
I used to have a Laboga 3x12" cab loaded with two V30s and one EV. Never used that speaker.
but yeah, it's a classic. Maybe I just don't get it.
That speaker made the V30 sound like a metal zone.
Lol whatever shill
I hate that some speakers can only handle such small wattage, and you have to combine multiples of them at weird Ohm ratings to make them usable with higher wattage amps. Solid state amps can easily crank out 50, 60, 75, or 100 Watts without weighing a ton. I don't want to carry a 4x12 and a high wattage 1x12 for my tone blending rig all the time.
Hey i am have Warehouse Guitar Speakers Reaper HP50's. Can you do reviews of Reaper HP50 and do a def metal song with different mic placements. I am have seen it on your IR packs 2. And it would be awesome with and without some Superior and Easy drummer blended as well. Thanks. Or send me to make good guitar and drums destroy. ...
Favorite 'medieval & metal' speakers include: Celestion NEO V-Type, Celestion V-Type, Hesu Demon, Jensen 10" Falcon 40, WGS ET90, ET65. WGS Reaper HP50. Jensen Nighthawk 75. Eminence CV75. Celestion Hempback. Celestion Lynch Back. Jensen C12K2. BGT white stripe, BGT in flames. Tone Tubby Alnico Red. Voghan Red Rose. Celestion Alnico Blue. Eminence Black Powder. Eminence DV77. Eminence V128.
In this video i learned how to change the slope of my fab filter eq. Mind blown. Lol
Always happy to help. Check out my academy, there’s a whole lot more to learn! 😉
harley benton sell cheap good sounding front loading cabs with v30s if you want something to put these speakers in the 2x12 is great for the price
I have never checked out the HB cabs. Are they all front loaded?
Most of my speakers sound best when using lots of gain/distortion EQ'd with Bass boosted , mids scooped and the screechy highs chopped off. since V30s have more of the upper mid "best " sound of the guitar strings to start with, you have more/different EQ options. Weren't guitar speakers originally made to go through a tube amp into a clean sounding cabinet for the old '50s fender twin twangy tone? That's great for clearly cutting through a full band where a Fat guitar tone would be swallowed by the organ and other instruments and the same mid-range sound range. Heavy rock guitar and heavy metals tone is a whole other animal entirely made to rock your bones and organs- not ice pick stab you in the ear. And then there's all the deaf guitarists that have too many highs cuz they can't hear them anymore proceeding to deafen their audience with the same painful highs. Play loud and proud more gain less pain.!
"I hope they will release a new Pitbull soon".
*terrified mailman shivers*
You’re not alone! 🤘
New Ultralead likely coming in early 2024
I'd like to see more Eminence speakers of the American voicing
Which ones exactly?
Cool vid man but i believe you never have tried the best speaker by WGS; Retro 30. That's the V30 killer!
This speaker is so similar to eminence v128 (8ohm). This one should be front loaded as well.
It would have been interesting to EQ the speaker in a way to get it as close to the V30 as possible. You cut too much highs and upper mids for that. It's not really a comparison of two speakers, but rather an example of how you can tailor sounds with an EQ (which works very well with distorted electric guitars).
With the signals as similar as possible, you would probably hear that the speaker has a nicer midrange. But the way you did it, it's guesswork.
(FYI, I have been a professional recording, mixing and mastering engineer for 37 years.)
George Lynch Super Lead Speaker, please! :)
Celestine Redback please
Do metal with traditionally non-metal speakers. Maybe an Alnico Blue?
Already done!
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Aahhh my now not so secret weapon
The fact the V30 is so common is exactly what puts me off of it
the SM57 does this for me haha
@@djabthrash haha yep! That's why I've got a senheizer now, sounds wicked to
Es würde mich freuen, wenn du mal den Speaker von Rath Amp testen könntest.
aaCraaft Speaker (RA12/100), 16 Ohm
Von Rath? Ist das nicht 30 Jahre her?
@@KohleAudioKult kann sein. Ich selber habe 5St. an 4x12" Boxen von ihm. Find die echt Klasse. Vielleicht könnte man mal Organisationen, dass du einen solchen Lautsprecher bekommst zum Testen.
P50E after the EQ reminds me of untouched DV77 lol
This speaker wiped the floor with the v30.
HESU Demon !!!!!!!!!
They'll never admit, but how many others gears would be dusted and wasted but those that clearly seem to ignore the main board wayward?! Satisfaction, uh?! I don't know what it is. Namastè.
V30!
What is that on your head?
That’s my hair 😎
RAW V30 wins, EQ'd the freyette is fat and has this depth in the midrange that sounds more 3 dimensional, the v30 is probably more cutting but for slower heavier stuff (not thrash or technical death metal) I think its a winner, and given that Freyette amps seem to be more the hard rock camp than the tight metal camp, this makes sense and I am sure suits a Pitbull very well.
Shit, Kristian... You just created a freaking impulse response with the Pro-Q LMAO
Yes! Why not?
@@KohleAudioKult amazing tip for sure!! I appreciate you and your teachings! ❤️
You’re welcome!
I usually don’t EQ my IRs but there’s nothing wrong with it. An IR is basically an EQ curve.
@@KohleAudioKult 100%!
V30 need some work on hights
Wait wait wait wait. 8 ohm speakers sound darker than 16 ohm variants? Is there a video specifically on this topic? I'm calling bullshit otherwise. Love you and love your show, man but I'd like to check out some evidence!
Here you go:
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