Who's the KING of Metal GUITAR SPEAKERS? (win an EMINENCE speaker!)
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- German Metal producer Kristian Kohle is once again on his unholy mission to find the greatest sounding guitarspeakers!
Today:
- WGS Warehouse Veteran 30
- Eminence Swamp Thang
- Eminence CV-75
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So who's the King for you? What's your favorite speaker? (both in the video and the rest of the universe)
I think the CV-75 worked nicely on the D-Moll. Maybe because the amp is a little on the darker side (at least mine is). The Swamp Thang was surprisingly good and the veteran sounded surprisingly bright.
But I'm going to be boring and say the Cemesalestion V30 still rules above all three of these
Celestion redbacks! But for this video i would say the swamp thang won
After your first video on guitar speakers I checked out the WGS Reaper and found their official IRs by Lancaster Audio. The Reaper IRs are probably the best I've ever played and I use them for everything, even clean and crunch stuff, not just metal. But I have to say, I'm really liking the Swamp Thang, the somehwat darker sound might serve me well too. Decisions, decisions...
i have to admit i still prefer the v30 as a "single" speaker. But the three combinations where you mix them are "richer" . Next time i suggest you to try out the creamback (both std and NEO versions), they are great sounding speakers to my ears.
Where da fuck is your beer?!?
I totally dig the Reaper to complent the v30 even though the Cv75 and veteran 30 were sick af too!
Awesome vid, as usual! Prost und immer gude Laune😝🤘🏽🍻
The swamp thing is so good with fuzz and for doom metal tones.
Great video and great question! Who is the King? I love them all for different applications! Both WGS and Celestion's get used every day here.
R.I.P. URM Academy. To be honest your videos were the only ones I liked over there. Best of luck with your own channel - I'm sure it'll take off in no time!
Subbed btw.
Same here, subed to URM for your vids ^^
Have URM even done anything recently?
totally agree I only subed URM to watch his videos
+1
Haven't noticed it's not URM ahah! Subbed to this channel immediately!
"For me Doom is Paradise Lost and My Dying Bride - not that Hippie Doom" - not only a great, competent tutor, but also a man of great taste. Well said, Mr. Kohle!
Thanks! Haha! I almost edited that one out!
Same for me Mr Kohle.....Old Anathema, Katatonia, Paradise Lost, My Dying bride, Celestial Season, Type O......yeah!!!!
I guess that's the first time I heard someone saying bashing Sabbath is good taste lol
@@sagespane7617 Hehe, aber nur, wenn man glaubt, es wäre gezieltes Sabbath bashing ;-)
@@shaihulud4515 Na gut, vielleicht verstehe ich auch die Anspielung nicht richtig. :) Welche Band(s) sind denn deiner Meinung nach gemeint?
This is by far my favorite page on youtube now a days, keep em' coming!
Thanks man! Spread the word!
CV-75 with the high cut, sounds so interesting! And the low end is for bassists afterall! :D
They all sound great. Really loved the CV-75
The low end on the Swamp Thang is so dope. When you mixed it with the V30 I almost put my head through a wall (in a good way). I'd be interested to hear it combined with the WGS.
My fav too!
+1
@@KohleAudioKult I've been totally a victim to the influence, and bought the Swamp Thang IRs offerred by Eminence, which to no surprise are super thin (not sure why I hoped for oomph from a "country legend" engineer), and don't offer anything of the oversized Mesa cab's low end. I really hope your IR pack (which you really must bring out, as I really need you to take my money) will include the Swamp Thang and the ST+V30 blend you showed here, as they are pretty much the best cab sound I've heard so far (as far as youtube can deliver the sound quality) .
Im selling my swamp thang
@@bramdriessens5942 oohhh how much?
Funny enough I'm not very fond of V30s by themselves, but I liked the V30 the most from this batch. That said, V30 + Swamp Thang makes for a hell of a Grindcore Tone.
I truly love the CV-75s i feel that they are so underrated. I have them loaded in my Mojotone 2x12 and I run a EVH 6L6 50 and it slays both clean and in hi gain applications. Tight punchy and articulate.
The eminence speakers seem to get overlooked often. That CV75 sounded pretty cool
I play a mix of WGS Veteran 30 and Reaper HP, these speakers compliment each other very nicely (tight lows, aggressive mids and clear crisp highs)! In your comparison I like the CV 75 the best.
Been using this combo as well for a few years and still my favorite I’ve had. I just got a Redback and trying to figure out what to pair with it. Might try a Swamp Thang
****IN MIX****
16:43 V30 MESA
17:43 WGS Veteran
16:31 Swamp Thang 16:55 +V30
17:07 CV-75 17:31 +V30
****OUT OF MIX****
18:23 MESA V30
19:23 WGV Veteran
18:11 Swamp Thang 18:35 +V30
18:47 CV-75 19:11 +V30
***GENERAL NOTES****
- All speakers are 8 ohms. 16 ohm speakers might sound a bit more scooped and fizzy.
- And.. Damn man! No Texas Heats!
****NOTES ON SOUND (Only in the mix)****
*S10 phone speaker:* really liking the Swamp Thangs or Swamp Thang/V30 MIX! The Swamp Thangs by themselves sound great. No harshness. No need to Do EQ dips in the high mids to remove snarlies.
*2014 Acura RDX with smiley face EQ and has a sub, but the sub isn't on full blast:*
Mesa V30 or CV-75 win. Swamp thing isn't clear enough up top, but if your tones are too trebley, the Swamp Thang could be your speaker. In the mix of Swamp Thang and V30, at least on this system, it would have been nicer to have the V30 louder and the Swamp Thang mixed underneath to fill out some of the V30 scoop... Or EQ the Swamp Thangs a bit on their own. There is something in the mids though that you can't get with the V30. I'm starting to think I need Swamp Thangs. Maybe in my THD 2x12 for testing and maybe in my Mesa cab later in an X-pattern. If I had An Emperor 6x12 cab, I'd probably put the Swamps as the two middle speakers and V30's for the remaining 4. Mic'ing live could be a pain though, trying to duplicate the phase relationship at every gig. Would probably sound sweet though.
Upon more listening, the CV-75 and V30 mix sound the best. The Swamp thing overpowers the V30 too much, at least in this demo, but the CV-75 works very well with the V30, adding a little extra something to the V30 sound without overdoing it. Now I need Swamp Thangs and CV-75's 😂. I wonder what those two would sound like together..
*Oontz Angle 3 Ultra Bluetooth speaker:*
Swamp Thang wins, closely followed by the V30 or CV-75. The WGS isn't bad here either. It might poke out in a mix more... I'm starting to get confused lol.
All of this can depend on placement of the speaker.
Swamp Thang and V30 mixed sound pretty good too, just adding a little bit of the Mesa's top end. The Mesa needs to be just a tiny bit louder.
The CV-75 and Mesa mix sounds pretty good too.
I'd go with the Swamp Thang or St miclxed with V30.
*2012 CRV with upgraded package:*
Alone, the V30 or Swamp Thang win. They're just different. The Swamp has more girth and has smoother highs. The Swamp Thang mixed with the V30 sounds like the way to go, but the V30 and CV-75 are pretty cool if you need more edge. The balance of either mixed pairwould just depend in the mix. WGS and CV-75 lose out on their own.
I migh check in some headphones and another car, but I'm leaning towards V30 and Swamp Thangs, with the CV-75 being a wild card. The V30 sounds pretty good everywhere, which is probably why it's so popular, but sometimes it's a little rarry sounding gere and there. The Swamp Thangs give and extra mod to low mid girth, if the V30 sounds too scooped, and the CV-75 has some high mod presence, but lower than where the v30's spike is.. And perhaps slightly less pinchy.
Will post more when listening on different speakers/headphones.
Thanks for the spotlight on Eminence ! I’ve always been a fan of their products, especially the p50e that comes in the vht cabs and the Governor. Your video made me wanna try a swamp thang - cv 75 in a 2x12. I am curious how these would sound together
Interesting speakers and nice combos you did. Personal favourite v30 with Swamp Thang! Keep on the cool videos!
Not the same mic position, trying to make every speaker sound good.
That is the mark of a true professional.
Subscribed.
Yeahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
I'm running 2 swamp thangs and 2 Texas heats in a 4×12 and they sound great and sit well when set in a band practice situation. Sounds brutal through my Mesa Boogie Road King.
Mesa V30 + CV75 is a winner. Just kind of balances out the harshness in the upper mids of the V30. With all other speakers or combinations of them I felt like I needed to notch out some 3k. V30 + Swamp Thang did a similar thing but muddied up the lows and low mids quite a bit, making the sound feel farther away and less aggressive.
The warehouse speaker surprised me! That thing sounds insane
I got 2 Reapers and 2 Retro 30's and i'm no longer looking...
I have several warehouse speakers and will probably not never purchase celestion again
I really love the way you are describing tones & sounds..it makes so much sense & so easy to connect the dots to why I like & dislike certain sounds & tones...sometimes I hear something I like or dislike but I can't put my finger on why, but you are filling those gaps for me...cheers!
The Eminence CV 75 to me sounds really pleasing.
I'd honestly say the Eminence CV-75 was the best sounding speaker out of the bunch.
agreed
It was definitely the best of all worlds wasn't it
@@AdamYoudell yes balanced yet . . . also very unique.
I love the CV-75 mixed with the V-30 in the raw mix. Thought the swamp thing in the full mix had a perfect Where The Slime Live feel to them . You have me sold on the swamp thing where you did that pushed clean tone at the end through the Diezel.
Yeah, because Swamp Thang recreates that scooped twangy Fender blues tone
In Mix
16:31 - Swamp Thang
16:43 - Vintage 30
17:07 - CV75
17:43 - Veteran 30
Solo Riff 1
18:10 - Swamp Thang
18:22 - Vintage 30
18:46 - CV75
19:22 - Veteran 30
Solo Riff 2
19:46 - CV75
19:54 - Vintage 30
20:01 - Veteran 30
20:16 - Swamp Thang
One of the most honest and detailed speaker comparison videos I get, come straight from you mate; well done again!
Great video!
I have to say that I'm not the biggest fan of the V-30. I often like the Creamback even more. And here I like the Eminence CV-75 the most. Maybe those speakers with the slightly lower mid-focus remind me of the 90s death and thrash sound, which wasn't as refined as today's.
But in this test I my favorite was the combination of both the V-30 and the CV-75.
Excellent comment!
I'm Crazy curious what the Swamp thing and the Veteran 30 would have sounded like together.
I had both in a cab I used with my Marshall and it killed for drop tunings
I've been using the Eminence Wizard for years - for me, it's the best of the Redcoats, and it pairs amazingly well with the Swamp Thang. Doesn't get a lot of love though.
20:31 really liked the song!
CV-75 sounds interesting, even without hi-cut. V30 - most balanced(mid range). The main problem of the V30 are the spikes in the highs. But speakers made to be the V30 substitute have midrange spikes and holes.
The Swamp Thang and V30 used together had the overall best tone. I like the CV-75 the best on its own though. Almost Vox-y. Would love to hear the CV-75 and the Swamp Thing together.
Agree on the V30 / ST combo!
I used the CV-75 and the Eminence Red Fang in a 2*12 cabinet with a Vox AC30, and it worked perfectly.
I have a cv75/swamp thing mixed 1960A Marshall cab and it’s pretty awesome
wow kristian is actually a really good guitarist
Wow, the CV-75 is so full of what I always lack in my V30-go-to-sound ! I was looking for a great combination and actually think that I will go for it ! BTW, I absolutely love your videos, keep going with your humble, friendly, good sense o humor and profesionalism content you're providing us with.
Greetings from French Guyana, where metal has still a long way to go
THanks a lot! And make FG more METAL please!
Greetings from Trinidad!
They all sounds great in different ways
CV-75 sound clear even with dirty in the amp. To me is the best choice. The low-mids is clear and I love it for my thrash metal band!! Celestion is maybe the Coke in guitar speakers world, but Eminence has the right tone in speakers. They really knows and understand our metal sound
That CV-75 sounded like instant Carcass to me
These are some of the best metal-oriented videos on youtube. Really glad I discovered this channel. Just a quickie observation. I'm a (very much) older than average extreme metal player and was playing in bands in the 70's. Back then, and in the 80's as well, Eminence was considered to be cheap, generic stuff that nobody wanted, and they cost far less than a Celestion. Interesting to see how far they've come. They're now considered to be at least a respected and viable alternative to Celestion. And now nearly as expensive lol.
While I did not like CV-75 alone at all, it sure sounded the best in the mix. The guitar just pops.
The V30 just sounds so familiar which makes it good. The "piercing highs" isnt really piercing per se but it really makes it present in the mix.
some of the highs to me through a sm75 mic sounded like ice cream cones or ice cicles instead of crushed ice or ice cream, mainly because of the mic and the placement required as well as monitor high end speaker quality. although in a room or on stage they sound great even the highs , although when pushed above usable gain and drives or highly stacked sounds they wash with aggressive playing and the cone gets ice picky and washes out, although with a 6 string with mild low and highs can get great mid def. and brightness because those ice pik locations help pull up the mids even when the highs are cut. although it has great highs for squelch and harmonics and solos it helps the highs stay thick and defined as well, so this was a very purpose hybrid type speaker originally a frankenstien tuned for live stage performance with volume demanding muddy amp setting players, and british sounds, the real heavy metal movement ordained by god, not the imposter hair band stuff that caught attention in place of the talk , it was about popularity by word of mouth and the fans were then intentionally mis directed not by the government, but the STATE and rich people gay fallen angel media to hair band 'metal' that was not very metal at all. and lipstick wearing. question : Did metallica wear lipstick? no , because they were part of the real 'metal' that everyone started an uproar over, as the creator themself loves real METAL. not the imposter copycat misleading artists and big money that stepped in and took it from us, now we have it, as it was not allowed on the mainstream radio before and was resisted. Like the tenacious D song states "they tried to destroy the metal". i still love to wear lipstick and kissing although i love my metal to be metal, not twink freelove mockery. Although the pushers of this temporarily stole metal's success, it was short lived, for we the people and god with us, the creator of the universe is with us, and we have the victory and now its evident since the late 90's. real metal has always been in heaven and is and always shall be. forever.
The CV 75 sounds the "Toughest" of them all, that really dense mid range really accentuates chugs and fills the guitar out in the mix. The best blend was the Swamp Thing and the V30, all that thicc low end from the Swamp Thing with that upper mid bite of the V30 gives the guitar a really full sound with out being too woofy or harsh. Would love to see you expeiment with the system that Jerry Cantrell had on Dirt, a Rockman Pocket amp for the highs, a Bogner Estacy for the Mids, and a Bogner Fish Preamp for the lows.
I use the V30+Swamp Thang combo with my Revv G20. Heaviest tone in existence
I've had cv-75s before in a 6505 112 now I have a Marshall 1960 with V30s
I'm torn between V30/ Swamp Thang, V30/Cv-75s and Swamp Thang/ Cv-75
Eminence Texas Heat and Swamp Twang were used in the cabs that Dimebag used. A *very* underrated combo/speakers imo.
Are you sure? I'm pretty certain he used jaguar speakers
@@h_exterm2779 he used the Jags during his early Randall days, but used the Tex Heat in later days if I’m not mistaken. They were sold in his Krakenstein cab for sure.
I'm paring the ST with the Wizard
I have blended Jaguars with Swamp Thangs for a friend of mines guitar tone in a demo I recorded for him.... He is a big Dime fan and uses pretty much only Randall..... Got good results.... Would bet the Jags and Swamps would sound good in a cab together
Love this channel and the speaker Demos. Can't believe I forgot to subscribe. NOT THIS TIME. KEEP IT UP!!!!
Eminence seem to do it for me the most. Great thing is now they make all their stuff in IR form.
Great comparison! Was a V30 fan forever but you're demo (and IRs!!!) of the CV-75 made me turn around. Love it, as well as the DV77!
think the V30 works best in a mix but I wouldn’t be mad at any of the others though.
18:11 swamp
18:47 cv75
18:59 v30
19:23 veteran30
Veteran 30 for the win! I have one and they’re amazing.🤘🏽
with the brunetti: swamp thang
with the d-moll: V30
personal favourite: v30 for "old school" 80s kinda stuff, K100 for more modern metal sounds.
That WGS Veteran 30 sounds really good to my ears!
Incredibly informative video, like all the content you put forth. By listening to your stuff one can really develop an ear for guitar sounds and recording, massive respect to you Herr Kollege!
i think every one of these videos illustrates a great point. what can you ADD to a V30 to shape your tone. not one of them sounds "right" on their own, but using them to blend makes a unique, and generally good tone every time. V30 is salt and pepper. it's in all food. add other seasonings to it to make things truly interesting.
Good point!
Love this video! In my experience, Eminence Governors are the best for modern hi gain: tight-big lows, brutal mids, and tames the fizzy treble from hi gain amps. Sorry for my english, cheers from Argentina!
I said it before over when you were on URM, but I'd really like to hear some A/B comparison between 8 & 16 ohm speakers. I have always thought that 16 ohm was the way to go, but it would be nice to know if there is a difference.
Oh yeah! That's on the list.
16s are a bit brighter than 8s because of increased voice coil inductance.
@@davidfuller581 on the other hand 16 ohm taps on the output transformer (assuming we talk about a tube amp) have higher inter-winding capacitance. But a general rule of thumb we do not leave dead, unused windings on the OT, so the highest available tap is preferable.
i like the 4 Ohm speakers, well that is after they are all together the ohms change. right? i forgot.
A straight mesa oversized cabinet with v30's is the industry standard for a reason: it sounds better than everything else. Great video!
for the stuff you played here with that baritone, I absolutely loved the swamp thing by itself. I think I’d love a Warehouse and Vintage 30 mix for me tho
I actually use a BIT, just a bit, of T75s in many of my cab mixes :) Now Kohle will beat me with a stick hehe
The Veteran 30 was a bit nasal sounding, but still pretty good.
Swamp Thing was my favorite, I guess.
Vintage 30 still the king for me if I am recording a single cab. I give it the R121+SM57 treatment, and I get a bit of that ‘fullness’ that way. Great video, cheers!
The Greenback is actually one of my favorite speakers. It was on Heartwork, so.... That's gotta account for something.
I like the swamp thang, governor, celestial 30, Texas all in a 412 cab. Sounds great
My take from this is that you get the best tones by combining different speakers
Great video! That Veteran 20 sounds awesome!
This was very helpful because I play through a 2x12 cab with the Chinese V-30s, and I hate the upper mids they have. I think the CV-75 is what I need.
I love these types of comparison videos, great production. Please keep it up.
If they weren't so much work, haha! I'll keep on doing them, no worries!
Vin 30 + Swamp Thang. Amazing demo!!!
Thanks man! Same here. That's a great combo!
I feel like all of the choices create great Stoner Rock / Doom Metal textures...
Love the Swampthang.
Really suprised how good the CV-75 sounded! The Combination with the V30 definitely sounded the best to my ears.
CV 75 could be very good for modern metal. At least it feels like one. It would of been nice if you can try those speakers with 7-8 string guitars. Cheers.
The SwampThang sounds most organic to me, which I like. In the direct comparison it made the V30 feel quite metallic and robotic.
I really loved the wgs v 30. Sounded nice and tight to me
Loved your videos on URM and wondered why you weren't posting anymore. Glad I found you over here, another great video, subbed!
Honestly combinations with the V30 are just amazing. Very interesting to see what you can get by combining different speakers.
Thanks! The combinations were my favs too.
glad to see you back at it with your own youtube! Thanks to your speaker comparisons, i bought a g12-k100 and put it in my katana combo, which i also closed up the back of the cabinet to make it tighten up the low end and it sounds pretty awesome, and i ended up building my own 2x12 cabinet with an Eminence Man O War and Swamp Thang ( which i discovered from other research, but glad to see it in the video here and that you enjoy it, i friggin love it!). i was definitely missing your german style sarcasm and brutal honesty. Prost, mein Freund! Ich hoffe, wir sehen uns bald in der Facebook-Gruppe Heavy Metal Amps!
Geilo! Freut mich, zu hören, dass das hier Früchte trägt! Immer schön teilen die Videos. Haben viele noch nicht gerafft, dass ich jetzt hier bin.
That CV-75 sounds way better in a mix than a lot of the others, so good
I would like to blend the veteran 30 and the CV-75. I reckon that would sound awesome
Hell yeah, more speaker demos! RUclips is sorely lacking. The Swamp Thang has a killer bottom end but it feels kinda muffled in the top end by comparison. Love the Swamp Thang + V30 combo. Fat as hell!
CV75... Maybe because I have the 16 ohm version it's a bit closer to the V30, but mine is definitely not that dark. The Warehouse has that annoying hissy fizz beam but moreso than the V30, so... pass.
Ive had a swamp thang for many years and I like it specifically because it tames the high end :o
The CV75 sound depends so much on the mic placement, it's crazy.
@@KohleAudioKult yeah, I noticed that too. It's like it beams at a different frequency than the speaker it's based on.
The Swamp Thang has something special going on, for shure. A really deep throaty sound, could be cool on some really heavy, saturated guitar parts
CV-75 is more complex , I think it is beautiful for single notes, It has melting character for solos. Also on crunch tones I think excels pretty much.
Liked just for the opening riff, now watching the rest of it. So refreshing to have guitar tone videos by a great engineer who can actually also play!
V30 + CV75 = Paradise Lost. OMFG, and then literally as I'm typing this comment you say it yourself :D
Haha! There you go!
And thanks! I only play guitar when I do videos, haha!
CV-75 sounds awesome. We need more sizzle in metal tones these days. It's supposed to sound brutal right?
Indeed! That sizzle is way above brootal though
“To me, doom is like Paradise Lost and My Dying Bride, not that hippie doom” you are a man after my own heart.
Two of my favorite bands from the 90s!
Hi there! There's any chance you could test some Jensen Speakers?
Tks in advance... AAANNNNDDDD Cheers from Brazil!
I tested the Tornado Stealth in my first video. You find it in the URM Academy playlist
You make 2020 so much cooler. Thank you!
The WGS Veteran sounds great but... The WGS Retro 30 sounds quite better! Not so clinical. That said the combination of a Veteran or a retro 30 with a reaper or a guvnor sounds great!
I had a custom 4x12” built out of my old Ikea bookshelves loaded with Retro 30’s and Governors, sounds fantastic!!
I liked all three better than the Vintage 30. My favorite was either the Veteran 30 or the CV-75.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. I honestly think the V30 sounded best against all of them. 🤷🏻♂️
Swamp King sounds dark on it's own but in the mix it's super beefy!
Of course no Weber speakers. Hand built Weber Tone Cvlt series, blow those production line speakers away.
Fr, those sound SO heavy
Speakers are way too easy to build to benefit from being "hand built." That's like celebrating hand built Oreos that cost $20 per box.
@@nimrodery -Regardless the Weber speakers sound better.
I loved the Swamp Thing! I tried to buy 8 of these for two 4x12s I made like 15 years ago! I couldn't get them into Australia back then! But this has inspired me to get at least 2 for my Mesa Cab. I use the Mesa Stiletto amp and its extremely concentrated in the high mids and presence. My theory is the darker tone will tame some of the amp natural brightness! Cheers mate.
Thanks man! And yes, V30s and STs are a great combo!
I Really enjoy Eminence red coat series speakers. I use two 2x12 cabs, 1 with Governor 1 with Man o' War speakers. They give you a different voice and really kick out some great frequencies. Well worth checking out. Would love to throw some CV-75 speakers in a cab too. Amazing video's as always. Keep up the great work Kohle!
I really like the V30 and the Swampthang together. That tone has it all.
Great combo. You find that combo in my new IR pack at Bogren Digital too.
Been listening to speaker reviews and all signs were pointing at vintage 30s, but that veteran 30 is now in the conversation.
Swamp + v30....that's amazing man! None of these sounds magnificent on its own, but the combination of swamp & v30 blew my mind.
They all sound great! I don't believe you can go wrong with any of them.
Eminence Swamp Thang and CV-75, The best ones for me, great sounding speakers
Actually WGS's direct V30 copy is the Retro 30, the Veteran 30 is their slightly tweaked take on it.
I've been thinking a 4x12 with 2 swamp thangs and 2 v30s would be a holy grail sort of setup but that cv75 is giving the v30's a run for their money in my book. Love me some fat mids.
Yeah! Great combo for sure