Mind blowing comment. I think I had a Randall from 2007/2009 or so with V30's. I hated it with my 5150. It was overly harsh sounding. I always wanted a more clearer, chimey but still high gain sound. Great tone you dialed in here man!
Any legit reason for the misleading title? I'm missing the part where Celestion ENDED the Vintage 30. You do a very thorough demonstration which has value and that might make me subscribe to see your other content....but the 'bait and switch' titles so many channels use to boost views is a deal breaker for me. If you're going for a sensational clickbait title, why hold back? Why not 'Celestion's new MONKEY SKIN cone material'?
Wow what a difference! If I've heard this without the labels, I would've thought these were completely different models. Also I didn't even realize how bad the 2006 V30 sounds, until you compared it to 2022 V30. 2022 V30 just sounds so much better. Thanks for the video, greetings from Lithuania.
@@SpectreSoundStudios Hey Glenn, can we get a comparison of these new ones vs the original 90’s versions? Would make for another amazing video. Thanks!
@@SpectreSoundStudios I think what you guys mean is more like... Thanks for not being f'ups anymore and going back to normal! Took you rejects long enough! 😂 Can you imagine how many people have been unhappy with their tone thinking they've been doing something wrong with their mic placement and having the wrong gear all this time? Buying expensive preamps, mics, and multiple cabs and just sucking? Personally I went in a journey that has made me buy over 10 freaking cabs until I figured it out. Thanks Celestion, for making my life a money pit nightmare with crap tone, because you guys made some manufacturing changes to save a few cents and then told everyone they were the same.. Lies!
That is quite the improvement. I'm interested in seeing the dust cap on your 2006 V30 being removed (and possibly replaced with the new one) for comparison. That would let us know if it is indeed the dust cap causing those terrible tones.
The Creamback Ms are about the only new speaker from them I've heard that I like as much as the vintage Greenbacks. They don't have that sweet top end breakup thing going on that Pulsonic Greenbacks have, but they sound amazing. For modern metal they rule. I'd like to slap a pair of these V30s in the cab with them. I was hesitant because I actually have six UK V30s, but I don't like those at all as they're too dark, but I also hate the spike in the ear sound of what we've gotten the last ten years out of the V30. This is really encouraging. I'd previously had a Rivera cab from the 90s with the most amazing V30s I've ever heard. Unfortunately my guitarist ruined them and I had to have them reconed, and they never sounded the same. These 2022s sound like what I remember. Damn!
@@SpectreSoundStudios That is great! I bought some Greenbacks ca. 2008, and they have never sounded right to me. Comparing them to the EVH Greenbacks might be fun.
I have an orange 20rt. It's got the "voice of the world" speaker. Which is a celestion with a slightly larger mag for natural gain . Made on the same line in the same factory. Even the clean has a little sauce on it
Hell yeah! I honestly hated the V30's due to it's upper- mids sounding like a taser. It seems that they finally found the solution so I'm happy to give them another shot. Thank Glenn!
Got me a v30 a few months ago and paired it up with a dv77 in my evh 2x12 and it's awesome sounding. Really digging both speakers individually and together. Appreciate the vid brother man.
I’m sure there’s more changes inside. There’s a lot of weird physics to go into voicing a speaker. I’m just glad it sounds like they got it right this time.
@@SpectreSoundStudios not a lot of stuff it’s a pretty basic actuator. I spent a lot of time in the audiophile world testing and listening to all manner of drivers and whilst I’m not sure what all goes into “voiceing” a driver but I know this every detail makes a difference. When you make a stew you have plenty of room for a few ingredients to be sub par but when you make something like hollandaise sauce with just butter, eggs, lemon juice and salt (I add cayenne) you wanna have top quality ingredients assembled with care or the sauce breaks and your left with a gritty oily slime that has the mouth feel of eating the sound of a ( insert your least favorite Driver here). I’m still leaning towards buying some neo creambacks for my next project.
@@Fergieguitar YES especially those bass players! My Sunn 412 loaded with G12T-75s was toured with as a bass cab for many years before I bought it. I’m quite sure that’s one of the reasons I liked how it sounded compared to the other cabs they had in the shop.
@@PooNinja I have an old Peavey Butcher 4x12 with those in. That's supposed to be a bass cab as well. It's a fair bit bigger than other guitar cabinets, so it might be for bass guitar after all. And yes, it does sound pretty good.
Last month I bought a V30 for my solid state Fender Amp. The original generic speaker sounded too bright and I did not like it. I followed your advice and I spent my money on a great speaker. There were only a couple speakers available in my country. I thought about a Greenback or a Creamback because I usually play rock, pop or blues but they did not have them. Finally I bought the Vintage 30... Wow!!! Dude, it sounds amazing!!! Great mids and bass and the bad top end is gone. Great for playing live, I bring just two guitars, a couple of pedals and the small Fender with the V30. It sounds glorious. Thanks Glenn!!!
I have a mix of stock eminence legend v12s mixed with vintage 30s in my Soldano 4x12. They actually pair really well at taming the spikiness, I didn’t even realise they made them differently over the years until I saw your video, very informative 👌🏻
Glen "IM SO SICK OF V30S! EVERYONE HAS BEEN USING V30S FOREVER! NOBODY CAN THINK FOR THEMSELVES!" Also Glen "So Celestion sent me one of their new V30s and it sound great!"
Yes, it's almost like the SOUND OF THE SPEAKER actually CHANGED!!! Sorry that wasn't glaringly obvious. Next time I'll spell it out in finger paints so you can follow along more easily.
I’m blown away, a V30 I actually enjoy. Every time you switched to the 2006 I screamed “RESONANCE” internally. I was relieved with the 2022. Thanks so much for the work on this video and for pushing for a positive change Glenn, this opens up some upgrade options for sure. Great to feel like customers are heard.
so now all we need is SMG IRs for this speaker :D also jesus christ i was expecting some difference i definitely wasn't expecting it to be night and day, that's nuts
I know I'm in the "what the hell is wrong with that guy?" minority here... But I NEVER liked V30s. They always sounded great on everyone else's records, same with the Mesa Recto heads, but I just hated the ones I've owned. I always preferred the 1960 cabs loaded with Gt-75's. Everyone thinks I'm an idiot whenever I say this, and every impulse response I've found of the 75's is AWFUL, but man those cabs... muah! I just found them to be much warmer and overall midrange focused, and that helped them sit in a mix more cozily I.M.O. You fucking rock G!!
i’ve always hated V30 cabs until a few months ago I bought a bogner and was really impressed that I didn’t change the speakers out immediately, knowing that it’s been changed definitely makes sense
That new speaker sounds killer. I have a 2002 mesa cab withwhat’s supposed to be the “golden era” of v30 and it’s noticeably darker and fatter than any newer v30 loaded cabs I’ve ever used. The new 2022 v30 just based on your demo clips sounds a lot like my old 2002 recto cab. Less shrill highs and more of a full fat tone. I’m really impressed and glad to see celestion getting their shit together.
I never would have thought that something as little as the type of dust cap would make such a huge difference on the same model speaker. And who knows, maybe they did something different with the voice coil wire as well. Either way, it sounds huge. Thanks Glenn for once again driving home the point, that the speaker is the most important part of our guitar tone.
When it comes to speakers, the doping is important, the surround and cone is important. The spider is important. The magnet is important. But the voice coil is key! It looks and sounds like they have redone the voice coil. Glad to see Celestion listened to the many many people complaining about the sound of their V30’s coming from China. Sound pretty damn good. But, I’m more of a greenback guy so for me, the G12 EVH is king! I’ll bet the new V30 would mix well with the G12 EVH!
Glenn, hi! Its been 8 month and this IR is proved to be my go to IR, it sounds just like what I imagine metal guitar should sound like, I've tried hundreds of other IRs but none of them are even close.
Holy balls Glenn! Once you showed the comparisons in a mix at the end here I couldn't believe JUST how bad the 06's are vs the 22's! If I didn't know better I'd have sworn there was some eq fuckery going on there. Having watched your content for some time now I knew there'd be a significant difference, but I wasn't expecting THAT much difference. Just unreal! Kudos to Celestion for finally getting it right (again)! Thanks for this man. Just like your playing, your vids just keep getting better & better.
Hi Glen, great video! I never understood why folks raved about the V30, this is why! The new one sounds great - also looks like they changed the model number from T3903 to T3903A - makes it easier to identify.
And that's most likely thanks to the dust Nolly got off the V30 topic with him nerding out on it. It's insane how much Nolly influenced the metal scene: Darkglass & Bass tones, Dingwall, now after every metal producer and guitarist listened to his preach about the difference in V30s, it got enough traction for Celestion to make a change. Absolute insano style alpha.
tbf the ding glass dark wall is quite a breath of fresh air compared to the scoop machine aka sansamp but as the saying goes "if a man found something that worked for him, everyone will also try to find it"
@@alrecks619 It was, for sure. Now everyone uses Darkglass/Parallax and Dingwalls and i got bored by it. Looks like in terms of bass we can only have one thing at the same time.
Man your right hand technique is astronomically improved even compared to videos only some weeks ago. This is really inspiring. Besides that it's a really cool video topic; thank you for the work and research so I don't have to do it. 🙂 Cheers and keep up the good work!
I think this is the first time I have actually liked the sound of a Vintage 30. There's definitely a big difference in sound, especially in the mix! I really liked the A/B comparison. It was like night and day. Also would you be able to do a studio tour sometime? Seeing the cab room actually got me very interested in how you have it all set up.
I controversially say that the new V30 sounds killer all around, lead or rhythm and the old V30 could potentially be nice for just lead tones since they do have that "icepick" sound. That's just me, I noticed that in the comparison when he hit those leads towards the end. Might be something to consider!
I get you. It's usually good to have a different tone for the lead to help it cut through the rhythm guitars anyway. But holy FUCK did the 2006 not sound good for rhythm...
The thing is, though, you don't need an icepick cab to cut through the mix. You can always just aim the mic straight ahead and use one mic. If you have a pretty sounding tone, also, you can add EQ without worrying about introducing nastiness; nasty sounding speakers limit your ability to perform EQ.
The 2022 sounded so much better overall especially for rhythms, but surprisingly I thought the leads actually sounded pretty cool through the 2006 v30. 2006 might still be useful for recording solos that stick out of a mix a little more.
I can tell you , as an owner of a NEW vintage 30 , things have improved. I absolutely love this speaker. Did the upgrade a few months ago with one of the 2022 models and it rips.
i think that the newer vintage 30s have that "4k" which JoeySturgis and Co. have been joking about for quite a while, also the fact that it doesn't really as grinding as the older vintage 30s because of the scoop.
Bought my first set of V30's (212) in 1993. They were fantastic for Blues and Classic Rock. They started getting tired by 2005. I chased the speaker dragon for a while, relented and bought a new pair in 2010 and was not happy. Downsized to 112 and used an Eminence Red Coat, worked well for me.
7:388:15 new international V30 vs the complaint speaker 12:1313:15 Back to back in a mix comparison! 14:50 if you also notice the ridges are ever so slightly more pronounced on the material of the main cone
Whoa Glenn!! Apart from the terrific sound, there was some serious vicious picking going on! Me as a dedicated rhythm guitarist I'm very impressed by your picking hand action lately. Also this is how you can figure a good tone. With actual chords and licks, not with senseless fiddly biddly. Now please pair the new V30 with a Greenback.Greetings from Germany P.S.: how dare you testing a brand new speaker?! They're supposed to be broken in for 209654h. /Sarcasm
I would have said the same thing about speaker break in but I bought a new amp for the first time in 20 yrs and it definitely didn't sound like it did when I tested it until about two weeks later. It definitely smoothed out a bit.
@@Stpddmbfckit should be a discussion. I’ve never seen any tests done that show any difference before and after. The only one I can find shows no difference after burn-in, and the differences between the “burnt-in” speaker and the control stayed the same. Everyone’s got a story about how their new speakers sounded like shit but slowly got better and now they love them, but until I see any actual shred of evidence I’m chalking that up to people just getting familiarized with how those speakers sound. I thought my studio monitors sounded dull and muddy when I got them and I couldn’t mix particularly well on them, but after about 20-30 hours using them I think they sound great and my mixes have improved dramatically. The thing is, the speakers were used when I got them and already well-worn.
I think it’s a carryover from players who have live rigs vs. studio players. A mid focused 30 is what you need to push a crowd in the face, and I’d take a MUSTAINE 1960DM cab loaded with 30’s all day on stage… Yet, i agree, when tracking my guitars, a 30 impulse is my last choice. 😮
I find that a few V30 impulses sound great but most have that harshness, and I could never figure out how IR's with the same cab, speakers and mics could sound so totally different - it makes sense now that the few great ones were likely done with pre-2006 speakers and the rest done with post-2006.
Wow! The difference is not subtle. But since Glenn seems to have recorded it straight out of the box.....man I wonder how good it would sound after its been broken in after a while. Holy Moly!
Interesting how we all have our own "benchmarks" for what we consider to be the best metal rhythm sound. Mine's As Daylight Dies from Killswitch Engage. Love that sound. The tones from My Curse are just spectacular.
For me, it was Shadows are Security by As I Lay Dying -- that's what inspired me to buy a used Peavey 5150 with the OG cab with the Sheffield 1200 speakers that I'm looking to replace with this V30!!
Wow, when switching back to the 2006 version it sounded like turning off a notch EQ used to dip out annoying resonances. Also: great performances on the demo song!
I have a 90's V30 sitting in a closet that I plan to put into an Egnater Rebel 1×12 cab. I also used to have one from sometime after 2010 that I put into a Marsball 2x12 cab with the 90's one. When I sold the cab, I put back one of the Seventy Eighty speakers it came with and then kept the 90's speaker. I always assumed the difference in the speakers was due to the 90's one being more broken in. My other cab has 2x10 in the top and another 90's v30 in the bottom. This is the most amazing cab I have ever owned. The 10's are some sort of Eminence speaker. The pairing with the V30 makes for a very thick and detailed sound.
I'm not a V30 fan I love me the old school cork surround creamback 65's used on Ride The Lightning them creambacks sound so great especially in a Marshall cab and a Jose modded Marshall JMP.
Most of us call a voice coil cover the dust cap. Yes, think of it like a dome midrange fairly well glued to the voice coil, it radiates the mid and high frequencies just like a dome midrange. If it is hard and not well damped it will break up harshly with wide peaks and dips in the response, well damped and it can provide a smooth response.
Holy fucking shit when you put in the old one back I was astonished how huge the difference is! And that's before the new speakers are even broken in! Imagine in a few months how they sound broken in finally, love to see it.
Bro, nobody is talking about that demo performance, those riffs and solos were absolutely amazing!! Please tell me if it was composed for this demo or is it a fragment of any song, loved it!!! Keep pushing the awesome work
I was getting that fizziness on my old Vintage 30 - I wondered what all the fuss was about compared to the creambacks, etc. The new one, though. That is a nice sound. I hear that fizziness and want to run away! I get that it cuts through the mix, just not in a good way. So glad to see the new and improved.
Hi Glen, Mate great work & great humour 👍 I am in Sydney Australia and picked up my new V30 with manufacturing code MG 10. December 2021, it has the fine wire mesh in the cone, like your one in the video. Think I can rest assured I have the new speaker like the one you demoed? Thanks for being our voice on this stuff mate. 👍
I’m building a 1x12 speaker cab this morning, and the 1-year-old v30 I have that was made in china is very nicely made and sounds killer. It was wrapped like yours too.
I got this reply from Thomann now: Dear Customer, thanks for the inquiry! There are no chnages on the Vintage 30 speakers.. see reply from celestion: " There is an ill-informed video out on RUclips, which at the end says how wonderful the ‘New’ Vintage 30’s are. He thinks there has been a recent change to the dustcap. There are no changes to the design or the components of the Vintage 30. The dustcap has been the same for years. There are a few speakers still out there from 15 or so years ago that sound different from what people might expect. But thanks to ever tighter quality control that no longer happens, the video simply illustrates that if you buy a new one, it’s going to sound great, and exactly the way it should sound." So what are we suppose to believe? It clearly sound better in your video
maybe his 2006 is so old/used that it sounds like shit? it is strange indeed. I look at the V30 I have. 2003 Uk, 2005 Uk, 2006 Uk, 2020 Chinese and saw absolutely no change in dust cap. I found indeed strange that they change something in 2022 and make no announce about that???
If this is completely true it explains a lot and has cost me money. I've been veering away from the v30s for the last 20 years. And this seems to be the reason why. I went on to many other speakers.being old I played through many of V30 and just could not figure out what was going on with my ears.then I thought it was just me or memories of better times.All crap..but I'm going to give these new ones a try... So this is a fairly educated comment....thanks for your video
The difference in tone isn’t the dust cap materials. It’s paper pulp the cones are made of. Have you seen many trees in mainland China? Exactly! Those speaker 🔈 cones are probably being made from recycled paper, old fortune cookies papers and pulverized chop sticks. You recone them with quality made in the USA parts….the tone will return!
It looks like the ribs in the new speaker are a little bit deeper and more pronounced. Maybe they are using a new press. Glen, ever tried the Alnico Gold's? They're probably my absolute favorite.
I’ve got a Randall 2x12 & 15 cab. I’ve always heard this harsh upper mid range that I can’t seem to dial out…It’s looking like those cabs have V30s from the 2005-8 era. I’m going to bite the bullet and buy some new V30s! What a difference those new Celestions made!
There's actually several kinds of v30's, even being made today. You've got your regular v30's which eventually moved production to China. Then the Marshall vintage 30, which is supposedly true to the very earliest v30 iterations, still and always was UK made. Then you've got the Mesas, custom made for Boogie to their own specs and slightly different sound, UK made.
Great video Glen! I just got a Harley Benton 2x12 vintage. I've pulled it apart to rebuild/improve the cabinet. After watching this I had to go and check the speakers.... I was very happy to see it came with the 2022 "H" designation and clear coil covers. The HB 2x12 is such a bargain anyway. But now it seems even better.
I know you have been talking about moving away from from the stock V30 tone and recently did a video with mojo tone speakers and my custom cab maker has a really unorthodox pairing. In my 2x12 he put Mojotone Vintage (V30 knock off) and a Mojotone Anthem ("Fender style" knock off). The combo is pretty cool, the frequency response of each speaker is so different that they fill out each other so well. I also just like the idea of mixing "American" voiced speakers with "British" voiced speakers to get a well rounded tone. Its a cool idea to get away from the straight V30 tone.
I've written to celestion on more than one occasion about how their V30's don't sound like they used to, asking what changed... and I've gotten nothing but shit from them, with them telling me there is no difference, that they've always made them the same way, and that they sound the same as they always have... Celestion has always been ridiculously frustrating to deal with on anything I've ever contacted them for over the years, and their response about the V30's was frustrating to no end when anyone familiar with the V30 can hear they changed and started sounding muffled as hell somewhere in that 14-16 year-ago area... So, thanks for confirming the early V30's that Celestion made their reputation on did, in fact, sound better, had more clarity, more bite, more tightness in the bottom end, etc. ...and thanks for the update that their new V30 3903A version sounds close to what the original ones did again, along with the demo, so we could hear it. Maybe I can finally get a V30 that sounds the way it's supposed to in my amps again... of course, the trick is going to be finding someone who's actually got the new versions... and dealing with the price increase.
By god the side to side difference. The mids in the 2006 are almost completely overshadowed by the very buzzsaw-esque high end. The 2022s are absolutely stellar. The mids are cutting through instead of the treble and the sound is massive
I stopped using vintage 30's a long time ago like 94, as the cones rubbed inside the coil guide. Sounded like scraping when mic'ed. I tried 4 new out of the box and ran 48 hour break in at 25 watts with various frequency ramps. 2 of them didn't improve. I gave them to someone who didn't mind the sound. Hopefully these will be super improved and bring back the brand line.
It's always nice when a company pulls it together to return a product that has gone astray back to its former glory. The new V30's definitely have a smoother driven sound.
The 2006 is what our V30's actually sounded like.
The 2022 is what we thought our V30's sounded like.
Ha!!! Totally agree with you.
Nailed it!
No wonder why my friends V30 sounds way too harsh compared to my new ENGL cab. Good to see mine has that transparent cap.
Mind blowing comment. I think I had a Randall from 2007/2009 or so with V30's. I hated it with my 5150. It was overly harsh sounding. I always wanted a more clearer, chimey but still high gain sound. Great tone you dialed in here man!
Heh sounds about right, but at the end of the day....
They got the V30 they wanted I guess. 🤟
Any legit reason for the misleading title? I'm missing the part where Celestion ENDED the Vintage 30. You do a very thorough demonstration which has value and that might make me subscribe to see your other content....but the 'bait and switch' titles so many channels use to boost views is a deal breaker for me. If you're going for a sensational clickbait title, why hold back? Why not 'Celestion's new MONKEY SKIN cone material'?
Your ending was funny. Keep it up
Lol, this is what youtube is now. A bunch of clowns counting the views and subs to see if they make 10 cents more this week LOL.
Clickbait
Can't wait until the vintage 30 is an unknown again and people are like "Hey, have you guys heard these before?"
Omg yes
But... why? Does it matter?
Use what sounds good to you, not because of its obscurity, popularity or some other crap based on other peoples opinions.
Yeah right by that point everyone will either be a pop singer or playing through a laptop
You're talking about guitar players. Guitar players are relentlessly unchanging. They will never let v30s be forgotten
@@cdawg-switchhitter2473 LMAO
Great video mate 🤘🏻absolutely love your brutal honesty
Insane how you plugged it in, and the sound that came out was so very familiar to me.
What a huge difference in sound. Thanks for sharing this Glenn.
Wow what a difference! If I've heard this without the labels, I would've thought these were completely different models. Also I didn't even realize how bad the 2006 V30 sounds, until you compared it to 2022 V30. 2022 V30 just sounds so much better. Thanks for the video, greetings from Lithuania.
It's not a subtle change, that's for sure!
labas
The difference is incredible. That first tone was instantly fantastic
Sadly itll be a while before the cabs in store have the better sounding v30
It'll be even better with 6 months of heavy gigging.
The new one makes the mix sound like early 2000s/late 90s. Good job, Celestion!
Agreed, Celestion did a fantastic job with it!
@@SpectreSoundStudios Hey Glenn, can we get a comparison of these new ones vs the original 90’s versions? Would make for another amazing video. Thanks!
@@SpectreSoundStudios I think what you guys mean is more like... Thanks for not being f'ups anymore and going back to normal! Took you rejects long enough! 😂
Can you imagine how many people have been unhappy with their tone thinking they've been doing something wrong with their mic placement and having the wrong gear all this time? Buying expensive preamps, mics, and multiple cabs and just sucking? Personally I went in a journey that has made me buy over 10 freaking cabs until I figured it out.
Thanks Celestion, for making my life a money pit nightmare with crap tone, because you guys made some manufacturing changes to save a few cents and then told everyone they were the same.. Lies!
@@Kevin.Kelly. I would absolutely love to see the 2022 against the 2001-2003 V30s as well as the 90s ones too!
No....
That is quite the improvement. I'm interested in seeing the dust cap on your 2006 V30 being removed (and possibly replaced with the new one) for comparison. That would let us know if it is indeed the dust cap causing those terrible tones.
I was thinking the same thing!
This also raises the question: did Celestion step up their game with any other models?
Yes, the Creamback's 45 and 65.
The new EVH is fantastic!
The Creamback Ms are about the only new speaker from them I've heard that I like as much as the vintage Greenbacks. They don't have that sweet top end breakup thing going on that Pulsonic Greenbacks have, but they sound amazing. For modern metal they rule. I'd like to slap a pair of these V30s in the cab with them. I was hesitant because I actually have six UK V30s, but I don't like those at all as they're too dark, but I also hate the spike in the ear sound of what we've gotten the last ten years out of the V30. This is really encouraging. I'd previously had a Rivera cab from the 90s with the most amazing V30s I've ever heard. Unfortunately my guitarist ruined them and I had to have them reconed, and they never sounded the same. These 2022s sound like what I remember. Damn!
@@SpectreSoundStudios That is great! I bought some Greenbacks ca. 2008, and they have never sounded right to me. Comparing them to the EVH Greenbacks might be fun.
I have an orange 20rt. It's got the "voice of the world" speaker. Which is a celestion with a slightly larger mag for natural gain . Made on the same line in the same factory.
Even the clean has a little sauce on it
Really nice sounding blend, I'm impressed. Good job, Glen.
lol Blend?
Hell yeah! I honestly hated the V30's due to it's upper- mids sounding like a taser. It seems that they finally found the solution so I'm happy to give them another shot. Thank Glenn!
Got me a v30 a few months ago and paired it up with a dv77 in my evh 2x12 and it's awesome sounding. Really digging both speakers individually and together. Appreciate the vid brother man.
I’m sure there’s more changes inside. There’s a lot of weird physics to go into voicing a speaker. I’m just glad it sounds like they got it right this time.
Hmmm.. well, we did a visit to the UK factory & that's the thing... there's not a lot going on inside.
And give it time to break in.... interesting it's that good right out the box!
@@SpectreSoundStudios not a lot of stuff it’s a pretty basic actuator. I spent a lot of time in the audiophile world testing and listening to all manner of drivers and whilst I’m not sure what all goes into “voiceing” a driver but I know this every detail makes a difference. When you make a stew you have plenty of room for a few ingredients to be sub par but when you make something like hollandaise sauce with just butter, eggs, lemon juice and salt (I add cayenne) you wanna have top quality ingredients assembled with care or the sauce breaks and your left with a gritty oily slime that has the mouth feel of eating the sound of a ( insert your least favorite Driver here).
I’m still leaning towards buying some neo creambacks for my next project.
@@Fergieguitar YES especially those bass players!
My Sunn 412 loaded with G12T-75s was toured with as a bass cab for many years before I bought it. I’m quite sure that’s one of the reasons I liked how it sounded compared to the other cabs they had in the shop.
@@PooNinja I have an old Peavey Butcher 4x12 with those in. That's supposed to be a bass cab as well. It's a fair bit bigger than other guitar cabinets, so it might be for bass guitar after all. And yes, it does sound pretty good.
Last month I bought a V30 for my solid state Fender Amp.
The original generic speaker sounded too bright and I did not like it.
I followed your advice and I spent my money on a great speaker.
There were only a couple speakers available in my country. I thought about a Greenback or a Creamback because I usually play rock, pop or blues but they did not have them.
Finally I bought the Vintage 30... Wow!!!
Dude, it sounds amazing!!! Great mids and bass and the bad top end is gone. Great for playing live, I bring just two guitars, a couple of pedals and the small Fender with the V30. It sounds glorious. Thanks Glenn!!!
The v30 really is old, but it still kicks ass. Kinda like an old war vet
Yeah or that ole hooker at the truck stop suckin em like pro that started out at the strip joint
Wow, I thought I'd be straining my ears to hear the difference but it's huge. These 2022s are amazing, grabbed that IR, thanks so much.
I have a mix of stock eminence legend v12s mixed with vintage 30s in my Soldano 4x12. They actually pair really well at taming the spikiness, I didn’t even realise they made them differently over the years until I saw your video, very informative 👌🏻
Glen "IM SO SICK OF V30S! EVERYONE HAS BEEN USING V30S FOREVER! NOBODY CAN THINK FOR THEMSELVES!"
Also Glen "So Celestion sent me one of their new V30s and it sound great!"
Yes, it's almost like the SOUND OF THE SPEAKER actually CHANGED!!! Sorry that wasn't glaringly obvious. Next time I'll spell it out in finger paints so you can follow along more easily.
@@SpectreSoundStudios Hey! I don't even own a bass!
Bro is jealous as hell you got a free v30 lmfao
@@russianvideovlogguy well yeah, I would love to get give free gear. Wouldn't you?
@@SpectreSoundStudios Hahaha Love that comeback ...LMAO !!!!
For the 2006 V30, Line 6 Spider's "Fried Assholes" preset comes to mind.
Yessir
I’m blown away, a V30 I actually enjoy.
Every time you switched to the 2006 I screamed “RESONANCE” internally. I was relieved with the 2022.
Thanks so much for the work on this video and for pushing for a positive change Glenn, this opens up some upgrade options for sure. Great to feel like customers are heard.
Damn i feel like the diffrence in the mix is even bigger. It just makes it sound so massive and fits perfectly with the rest of the instruments
so now all we need is SMG IRs for this speaker :D
also jesus christ i was expecting some difference i definitely wasn't expecting it to be night and day, that's nuts
In before Glenn's playing gets him a copyright strike... The perils of getting better.
lol!
@@SpectreSoundStudios also come back after putting some hours on the new driver and it's broken in
Love when Glenn talks about bands like carcass and alestorm which I love haha. Good stuff as usual man love this video format
Glad you enjoyed!
I know I'm in the "what the hell is wrong with that guy?" minority here... But I NEVER liked V30s. They always sounded great on everyone else's records, same with the Mesa Recto heads, but I just hated the ones I've owned. I always preferred the 1960 cabs loaded with Gt-75's. Everyone thinks I'm an idiot whenever I say this, and every impulse response I've found of the 75's is AWFUL, but man those cabs... muah! I just found them to be much warmer and overall midrange focused, and that helped them sit in a mix more cozily I.M.O.
You fucking rock G!!
TOTALLY agree with you! G12T-75's all day every day!
WOW, massive improvement! Great job Celestion! Great video (as usual) Glenn!
I got rid of my V30s and went to Warehouse Guitar speakers because of that horrible spikiness and couldn't be happier.
i’ve always hated V30 cabs until a few months ago I bought a bogner and was really impressed that I didn’t change the speakers out immediately, knowing that it’s been changed definitely makes sense
That new speaker sounds killer. I have a 2002 mesa cab withwhat’s supposed to be the “golden era” of v30 and it’s noticeably darker and fatter than any newer v30 loaded cabs I’ve ever used. The new 2022 v30 just based on your demo clips sounds a lot like my old 2002 recto cab. Less shrill highs and more of a full fat tone. I’m really impressed and glad to see celestion getting their shit together.
I am fortunate to have a recto cab from 2003. Speakers sounds incredible that they have been pretty much been broken for almost 20 years.
I never would have thought that something as little as the type of dust cap would make such a huge difference on the same model speaker. And who knows, maybe they did something different with the voice coil wire as well. Either way, it sounds huge. Thanks Glenn for once again driving home the point, that the speaker is the most important part of our guitar tone.
Sim away from dust cap sometimes on a track and see
A terrible sounding amp will still be a terrible sounding amp regardless of the speaker
I couldn’t believe how massive the improvement was - absolutely staggering
When it comes to speakers, the doping is important, the surround and cone is important. The spider is important. The magnet is important. But the voice coil is key! It looks and sounds like they have redone the voice coil. Glad to see Celestion listened to the many many people complaining about the sound of their V30’s coming from China. Sound pretty damn good. But, I’m more of a greenback guy so for me, the G12 EVH is king! I’ll bet the new V30 would mix well with the G12 EVH!
These are the videos ive been missing! thank you!
Thank you Celestion for making Vintage30’s great again 😂
“Always cut away from yourself” bonus safety tip!!!!!!!! Thanks Glen (seriously, not sarcastically)
Such a massive difference. The V 30 sound to me has always been too harsh. Maybe not anymore. Thank you🤘🏻🤘🏻
Glenn, hi! Its been 8 month and this IR is proved to be my go to IR, it sounds just like what I imagine metal guitar should sound like, I've tried hundreds of other IRs but none of them are even close.
Holy balls Glenn! Once you showed the comparisons in a mix at the end here I couldn't believe JUST how bad the 06's are vs the 22's! If I didn't know better I'd have sworn there was some eq fuckery going on there. Having watched your content for some time now I knew there'd be a significant difference, but I wasn't expecting THAT much difference. Just unreal! Kudos to Celestion for finally getting it right (again)!
Thanks for this man. Just like your playing, your vids just keep getting better & better.
Hi Glen, great video! I never understood why folks raved about the V30, this is why! The new one sounds great - also looks like they changed the model number from T3903 to T3903A - makes it easier to identify.
And that's most likely thanks to the dust Nolly got off the V30 topic with him nerding out on it.
It's insane how much Nolly influenced the metal scene: Darkglass & Bass tones, Dingwall, now after every metal producer and guitarist listened to his preach about the difference in V30s, it got enough traction for Celestion to make a change. Absolute insano style alpha.
Insaneo style!!!!!
tbf the ding glass dark wall is quite a breath of fresh air compared to the scoop machine aka sansamp but as the saying goes "if a man found something that worked for him, everyone will also try to find it"
@@jaroswave Stop trying to make insaneo style a thing Joel!
@@alrecks619 It was, for sure. Now everyone uses Darkglass/Parallax and Dingwalls and i got bored by it. Looks like in terms of bass we can only have one thing at the same time.
Man your right hand technique is astronomically improved even compared to videos only some weeks ago. This is really inspiring. Besides that it's a really cool video topic; thank you for the work and research so I don't have to do it. 🙂 Cheers and keep up the good work!
I think this is the first time I have actually liked the sound of a Vintage 30. There's definitely a big difference in sound, especially in the mix! I really liked the A/B comparison. It was like night and day.
Also would you be able to do a studio tour sometime? Seeing the cab room actually got me very interested in how you have it all set up.
I love your style of electric eye and those new vintage 30s do sound sick
I controversially say that the new V30 sounds killer all around, lead or rhythm and the old V30 could potentially be nice for just lead tones since they do have that "icepick" sound. That's just me, I noticed that in the comparison when he hit those leads towards the end. Might be something to consider!
I use my Line 6 cab with V30s when I want that Randy Rhoads “Icepick” Altec tone.
I get you. It's usually good to have a different tone for the lead to help it cut through the rhythm guitars anyway. But holy FUCK did the 2006 not sound good for rhythm...
The thing is, though, you don't need an icepick cab to cut through the mix. You can always just aim the mic straight ahead and use one mic. If you have a pretty sounding tone, also, you can add EQ without worrying about introducing nastiness; nasty sounding speakers limit your ability to perform EQ.
no controversial. Glenn is just a dork.
Most definitely a huge improvement! Thanks for the video and IR!
The 2022 sounded so much better overall especially for rhythms, but surprisingly I thought the leads actually sounded pretty cool through the 2006 v30. 2006 might still be useful for recording solos that stick out of a mix a little more.
I can tell you , as an owner of a NEW vintage 30 , things have improved. I absolutely love this speaker. Did the upgrade a few months ago with one of the 2022 models and it rips.
i think that the newer vintage 30s have that "4k" which JoeySturgis and Co. have been joking about for quite a while, also the fact that it doesn't really as grinding as the older vintage 30s because of the scoop.
Bought my first set of V30's (212) in 1993. They were fantastic for Blues and Classic Rock. They started getting tired by 2005. I chased the speaker dragon for a while, relented and bought a new pair in 2010 and was not happy. Downsized to 112 and used an Eminence Red Coat, worked well for me.
7:38 8:15 new international V30 vs the complaint speaker 12:13 13:15
Back to back in a mix comparison! 14:50
if you also notice the ridges are ever so slightly more pronounced on the material of the main cone
yes, noticed the ridges as well. if im thinking right it should allow it to vibrate wider? causing a little more low end?
Seriously. THAT is an awesome tone! Great job 👍🏼👍🏼
Whoa Glenn!! Apart from the terrific sound, there was some serious vicious picking going on! Me as a dedicated rhythm guitarist I'm very impressed by your picking hand action lately. Also this is how you can figure a good tone. With actual chords and licks, not with senseless fiddly biddly. Now please pair the new V30 with a Greenback.Greetings from Germany
P.S.: how dare you testing a brand new speaker?! They're supposed to be broken in for 209654h. /Sarcasm
I would have said the same thing about speaker break in but I bought a new amp for the first time in 20 yrs and it definitely didn't sound like it did when I tested it until about two weeks later. It definitely smoothed out a bit.
No need for sarcasm, breaking the speakers in makes a very noticable difference. Thats not even a discussion actually.
@@Stpddmbfckit should be a discussion. I’ve never seen any tests done that show any difference before and after. The only one I can find shows no difference after burn-in, and the differences between the “burnt-in” speaker and the control stayed the same.
Everyone’s got a story about how their new speakers sounded like shit but slowly got better and now they love them, but until I see any actual shred of evidence I’m chalking that up to people just getting familiarized with how those speakers sound.
I thought my studio monitors sounded dull and muddy when I got them and I couldn’t mix particularly well on them, but after about 20-30 hours using them I think they sound great and my mixes have improved dramatically. The thing is, the speakers were used when I got them and already well-worn.
That information is worth a fortune! Thank you!
I think it’s a carryover from players who have live rigs vs. studio players. A mid focused 30 is what you need to push a crowd in the face, and I’d take a MUSTAINE 1960DM cab loaded with 30’s all day on stage… Yet, i agree, when tracking my guitars, a 30 impulse is my last choice. 😮
I find that a few V30 impulses sound great but most have that harshness, and I could never figure out how IR's with the same cab, speakers and mics could sound so totally different - it makes sense now that the few great ones were likely done with pre-2006 speakers and the rest done with post-2006.
FREE hand picked speaker = Great Review, NOT Surprised
Funny, people told me I was stupid for not liking the cheap Chinese version that Celestion was making. They said they were identical. Heh.
Wow! The difference is not subtle. But since Glenn seems to have recorded it straight out of the box.....man I wonder how good it would sound after its been broken in after a while. Holy Moly!
Interesting how we all have our own "benchmarks" for what we consider to be the best metal rhythm sound. Mine's As Daylight Dies from Killswitch Engage. Love that sound. The tones from My Curse are just spectacular.
yeah i like that sound too, kse tones mostly rule. i also like the tone on parkway drives Horizons
For me, it was Shadows are Security by As I Lay Dying -- that's what inspired me to buy a used Peavey 5150 with the OG cab with the Sheffield 1200 speakers that I'm looking to replace with this V30!!
Thanks for the free IR! :)
Wow, when switching back to the 2006 version it sounded like turning off a notch EQ used to dip out annoying resonances.
Also: great performances on the demo song!
I have a 90's V30 sitting in a closet that I plan to put into an Egnater Rebel 1×12 cab.
I also used to have one from sometime after 2010 that I put into a Marsball 2x12 cab with the 90's one. When I sold the cab, I put back one of the Seventy Eighty speakers it came with and then kept the 90's speaker.
I always assumed the difference in the speakers was due to the 90's one being more broken in.
My other cab has 2x10 in the top and another 90's v30 in the bottom. This is the most amazing cab I have ever owned. The 10's are some sort of Eminence speaker. The pairing with the V30 makes for a very thick and detailed sound.
Wow, the 2022 definitely cuts through the mix a lot better than the 2006. Seems to add just enough to the mids. Nice demonstration Glen.
I'm not a V30 fan I love me the old school cork surround creamback 65's used on Ride The Lightning them creambacks sound so great especially in a Marshall cab and a Jose modded Marshall JMP.
Clayman & CoB's Hate Crew were the elusive tones for me lol. They're really iconic! This new V30 speaker probably makes it way more achievable live!
Most of us call a voice coil cover the dust cap. Yes, think of it like a dome midrange fairly well glued to the voice coil, it radiates the mid and high frequencies just like a dome midrange. If it is hard and not well damped it will break up harshly with wide peaks and dips in the response, well damped and it can provide a smooth response.
Holy fucking shit when you put in the old one back I was astonished how huge the difference is! And that's before the new speakers are even broken in! Imagine in a few months how they sound broken in finally, love to see it.
My pair of 2x12 cabs have 30 year old EV12Ls on bottom and 25 year old Vintage 30s on top.
Sound is fantastic 👌
Bro, nobody is talking about that demo performance, those riffs and solos were absolutely amazing!! Please tell me if it was composed for this demo or is it a fragment of any song, loved it!!! Keep pushing the awesome work
Part of it was electric eye by judas priest
Thank you that is now my main IR! Sounds great.
Thanks for putting in the elbow grease on this one we all can't make it to the factory so thanks for this one
I was getting that fizziness on my old Vintage 30 - I wondered what all the fuss was about compared to the creambacks, etc. The new one, though. That is a nice sound. I hear that fizziness and want to run away! I get that it cuts through the mix, just not in a good way. So glad to see the new and improved.
Hi Glen,
Mate great work & great humour 👍
I am in Sydney Australia and picked up my new V30 with manufacturing code MG 10. December 2021, it has the fine wire mesh in the cone, like your one in the video. Think I can rest assured I have the new speaker like the one you demoed?
Thanks for being our voice on this stuff mate. 👍
Thank you! for being the Sage of modern guitar tones!🎸🎼🖖
I’m building a 1x12 speaker cab this morning, and the 1-year-old v30 I have that was made in china is very nicely made and sounds killer. It was wrapped like yours too.
Glenn, you look thinner, and healthier than ever! Good on you brother! Fire.
I got this reply from Thomann now:
Dear Customer,
thanks for the inquiry!
There are no chnages on the Vintage 30 speakers.. see reply from celestion:
" There is an ill-informed video out on RUclips, which at the end says how wonderful the ‘New’ Vintage 30’s are. He thinks there has been a recent change to the dustcap.
There are no changes to the design or the components of the Vintage 30. The dustcap has been the same for years. There are a few speakers still out there from 15 or so years ago that sound different from what people might expect. But thanks to ever tighter quality control that no longer happens, the video simply illustrates that if you buy a new one, it’s going to sound great, and exactly the way it should sound."
So what are we suppose to believe? It clearly sound better in your video
maybe his 2006 is so old/used that it sounds like shit? it is strange indeed. I look at the V30 I have. 2003 Uk, 2005 Uk, 2006 Uk, 2020 Chinese and saw absolutely no change in dust cap. I found indeed strange that they change something in 2022 and make no announce about that???
If this is completely true it explains a lot and has cost me money. I've been veering away from the v30s for the last 20 years. And this seems to be the reason why. I went on to many other speakers.being old I played through many of V30 and just could not figure out what was going on with my ears.then I thought it was just me or memories of better times.All crap..but I'm going to give these new ones a try... So this is a fairly educated comment....thanks for your video
Awesome T-Shirt.. Billions and Billions. RIP Carl !
The difference in tone isn’t the dust cap materials. It’s paper pulp the cones are made of. Have you seen many trees in mainland China? Exactly! Those speaker 🔈 cones are probably being made from recycled paper, old fortune cookies papers and pulverized chop sticks. You recone them with quality made in the USA parts….the tone will return!
It looks like the ribs in the new speaker are a little bit deeper and more pronounced. Maybe they are using a new press. Glen, ever tried the Alnico Gold's? They're probably my absolute favorite.
damn when i started to watch your channel i was the tonewood is important kind of guy but now i see the world in a whole different way
I’ve got a Randall 2x12 & 15 cab. I’ve always heard this harsh upper mid range that I can’t seem to dial out…It’s looking like those cabs have V30s from the 2005-8 era. I’m going to bite the bullet and buy some new V30s!
What a difference those new Celestions made!
There's actually several kinds of v30's, even being made today. You've got your regular v30's which eventually moved production to China. Then the Marshall vintage 30, which is supposedly true to the very earliest v30 iterations, still and always was UK made. Then you've got the Mesas, custom made for Boogie to their own specs and slightly different sound, UK made.
And here I am preferring my 10" Jensen MOD speakers.......Anyway glad to see you are happy with those new speakers.
The difference in the mix is pretty incredible!
I bought a Mesa Fillmore 2x12 on Reverb that said it had the Mesa C90's. When I got it, discovered Mesa UK made Vintage 30's in it. They sound great!
It's great that the company actually listened to people like Glen, people who know what they're talking about, and made the changes.
Great video Glen!
I just got a Harley Benton 2x12 vintage. I've pulled it apart to rebuild/improve the cabinet. After watching this I had to go and check the speakers....
I was very happy to see it came with the 2022 "H" designation and clear coil covers.
The HB 2x12 is such a bargain anyway. But now it seems even better.
I know you have been talking about moving away from from the stock V30 tone and recently did a video with mojo tone speakers and my custom cab maker has a really unorthodox pairing. In my 2x12 he put Mojotone Vintage (V30 knock off) and a Mojotone Anthem ("Fender style" knock off). The combo is pretty cool, the frequency response of each speaker is so different that they fill out each other so well. I also just like the idea of mixing "American" voiced speakers with "British" voiced speakers to get a well rounded tone. Its a cool idea to get away from the straight V30 tone.
I've recently fell in love with the celestion redback, in a 2x12 mesa cab with my 50 watt stealth.
I've written to celestion on more than one occasion about how their V30's don't sound like they used to, asking what changed... and I've gotten nothing but shit from them, with them telling me there is no difference, that they've always made them the same way, and that they sound the same as they always have... Celestion has always been ridiculously frustrating to deal with on anything I've ever contacted them for over the years, and their response about the V30's was frustrating to no end when anyone familiar with the V30 can hear they changed and started sounding muffled as hell somewhere in that 14-16 year-ago area...
So, thanks for confirming the early V30's that Celestion made their reputation on did, in fact, sound better, had more clarity, more bite, more tightness in the bottom end, etc.
...and thanks for the update that their new V30 3903A version sounds close to what the original ones did again, along with the demo, so we could hear it.
Maybe I can finally get a V30 that sounds the way it's supposed to in my amps again... of course, the trick is going to be finding someone who's actually got the new versions... and dealing with the price increase.
Your right it doesn't have that upper frequency that pokes out, the ones sound more open but relaxed and pleasant.
I just love Your "Hail Sagan" t-shirt. Carl Sagan is one of (if not the most) influential human being for me. Cheers!
Pretty solid improvement to my ears.
By god the side to side difference. The mids in the 2006 are almost completely overshadowed by the very buzzsaw-esque high end. The 2022s are absolutely stellar. The mids are cutting through instead of the treble and the sound is massive
I just made an IR of the tone available. Check the description for the link!
I stopped using vintage 30's a long time ago like 94, as the cones rubbed inside the coil guide. Sounded like scraping when mic'ed. I tried 4 new out of the box and ran 48 hour break in at 25 watts with various frequency ramps. 2 of them didn't improve. I gave them to someone who didn't mind the sound. Hopefully these will be super improved and bring back the brand line.
It's always nice when a company pulls it together to return a product that has gone astray back to its former glory. The new V30's definitely have a smoother driven sound.