Who's the King of METAL GUITAR CABINETS?

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  • Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
  • German Metal producer Kristian Kohle finally finds out what's more important:
    The CAB or the SPEAKER???
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  • @morbidrsa
    @morbidrsa 3 года назад +201

    Kohle: if you like this tone something is wrong with you.
    Black Metal Guitarist: slowly walks away...

    • @havokca
      @havokca 3 года назад +1

      I usually have a hard time hearing tonal differences of a distorted signal... but jumping back and forth between the first time Kohle played each cab.... yeah, the Marshall is super fizzy by comparison.

    • @Timetofly8888
      @Timetofly8888 3 года назад +1

      mate, sooo true. Some mid 90's Black metal bands, I'm sure they literally tried to make a Metal Zone pedal sound as shit as possible, which isn't hard at all if you have zero ideas how to use a semi-parametric eq while thinking "nailed it!" all at the same time!

  • @GPaulTheThrashKing
    @GPaulTheThrashKing 3 года назад +103

    Dude the 75 watt marshall speaker just nails that early meshuggah tone. It's just so perfect. Honestly, I love those speakers.

    • @patjustice1203
      @patjustice1203 3 года назад +17

      I do too man. I don't understand the hate behind them.

    • @brendonriley
      @brendonriley 3 года назад +7

      Same here. I’ve used my JCM900 Marshall 4x12 with the original GT12-75’s in since 1998 live, and it’s so, so good.
      I do, however, slightly prefer the tone of the V30 for studio application.
      Have you seen this guys 75 speaker vid where he ‘conquers’ it with mic’ing it up? It’s awesome.

    • @countk1
      @countk1 3 года назад +3

      Agree. I guess it depends with what speakers you grew up with?

    • @snapascrew
      @snapascrew 3 года назад +4

      @@brendonriley I believe that head was voiced with that cab in mind so nothing shocking there

    • @brendonriley
      @brendonriley 3 года назад

      @@snapascrew I don’t use the 900 head. I’ve used a whole bunch of heads with it, but not a JCM900 head 😉

  • @Producelikeapro
    @Producelikeapro 3 года назад +218

    Kristian always delivers the best content!! I have both cabinets!! I love my Marshall, which has original 30 watt Celestions! (before they were called Vintage, so they are actually proper Vintage! Haha)

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +36

      So there's even another one? Damn! Time for another video.

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro 3 года назад +9

      @Frank Lee thanks my friend!

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro 3 года назад +19

      @@KohleAudioKult haha yes, I was telling you about this cabinet! It was Vivian Campbell's! We created an IR of it which is amazing!

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +12

      @@Producelikeapro Looks like I need that IR!
      In case you forgot that cab in the UK, I can pick it up for you, haha!

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro 3 года назад +9

      @@KohleAudioKult hmmm...it's here, in Lalaland!

  • @tonedowne
    @tonedowne 3 года назад +102

    My experience of mixing bands live with Marshall Vs Mesa, is that Marshalls don't sound as pleasant, but are easier to sit in the mix. The extended top end of the Mesa gets in the way of everything else very easily. While the gnarly mids of the Marshall allowed me to sit the guitar back a little and still hear bucket loads of attitude.
    The cabs that really blew me away for metal were Engle. They sound massive but play nicely with the drums.

    • @jmluna86jl
      @jmluna86jl 3 года назад +8

      thats some good info man! i've been looking into a new cab

    • @impo64
      @impo64 3 года назад +8

      I pretty much agree with you dead on. Mesa cabs never worked for me in the mix and I stuck with Marshall 4x12 for years until I heard an Engl, it's like a Marshall but just a bit better.

    • @tonedowne
      @tonedowne 3 года назад +2

      @@impo64 Yeah, Engle have that extended frequency range for lower tunings, but still have the gnarly mids like a Marshall.

    • @chrismonaut
      @chrismonaut 3 года назад +5

      Engl v30 cabs sit SO WELL in a metal mix. I play mine live and for rehearsals and I think it's perfect for that. Leaves enough space in the low end, gnarly mids...

    • @Timetofly8888
      @Timetofly8888 3 года назад +3

      yeah for me over the years, i always tend to have more issues with guys and girls using Mesa cabs that want to be the bass player as well in their tone and have little idea about sculpting a tone that fits in even before the Bass player arrives by either cranking the fuck out of the low end and/or removing all the mids and turning it up louder for that "..and justice" type tone. I typically try and have a wee conversation about rolling off a little of the lows and putting a bit of the mids back in at the source so I have a better chance at gett them to fit nicely out front. Most of the time they ignore me, so my little friend Mr High Pass comes in handy and 1176 compression (which I typically hate using on heavily distorted Electric guitars as it's really not necessary, it's already compressed, that's the point! I also will swap the mic from a typical 57 to a large-diaphragm condenser like an AT4050 or similar as well, which really helps. I really don't like having to mess with guitar tones too much as really all I'm doing is trying to polish their ignorant turd where possible.

  • @enriquekikzdelapazbichain1126
    @enriquekikzdelapazbichain1126 3 года назад +19

    The marshall with the mesa speaker was actually my favorite sound from the video! Its GREAT!

  • @AndreiGrozea
    @AndreiGrozea 3 года назад +99

    JCM2000s are such underrated amps for metal.

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +17

      I just had my rebirth too!

    • @AndreiGrozea
      @AndreiGrozea 3 года назад +3

      @@barryenright2320 green channel is supposed to be some sort of a JCM800 flavour iirc. Absolte favorite amp

    • @jean-philippemorin1176
      @jean-philippemorin1176 3 года назад +1

      The more classic channel sounds really nice.

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +4

      @@barryenright2320 What's wrong with the TSL?

    • @andresilvasophisma
      @andresilvasophisma 3 года назад +5

      So are the VS 8100

  • @rhmm96
    @rhmm96 3 года назад +8

    This is easily becoming one of my favorite channels! And what about that riff, so good!

  • @martinwolters1839
    @martinwolters1839 3 года назад +5

    Subscribed to the newsletter. I loved the sound of both cabs. Probably sounds really nice when combined in a mix. Your 'Why you hate your guitar tone' video for URM Academy was really useful to me. Keep up the good work. 👍

  • @WholeLottaBulldog
    @WholeLottaBulldog 3 года назад +13

    So scientific; so German. I love it.

  • @JunkRacecars
    @JunkRacecars 3 года назад +9

    The best sounding 1960 cabs are loaded with G12M Greenbacks IMO. I also dig the G12T75's in an X pattern with V30's. You should do a video with one of those setups.

    • @in.der.welt.sein.
      @in.der.welt.sein. 3 года назад

      The g12t75's and v30s in an x pattern is what came in the mesa cab I have. Really nice combo.

  • @darrelferns8969
    @darrelferns8969 3 года назад +12

    I like the G12t-75 speakers a lot. Actually switched from long term use if V30s(normal ones not the Mesa ones). They are much different sounding and require you to dial them in much differently than V30s, but when done well I quite like them.

  • @Thanatar2
    @Thanatar2 3 года назад +7

    So in the final test, the Marshall has more bite in the top end, but the mesa sounds more well rounded. Both sound absolutely awesome though. I’d go for the mesa myself though.

  • @VTuberDestrisOfficial
    @VTuberDestrisOfficial 3 года назад +19

    The Marshall with the Boogie speaker sounded badass, I'd love to have an IR of that sound

  • @alexnasla
    @alexnasla 3 года назад +5

    Great video man! The OS Rec 4x12 is probably one of my most used cabs for sure!

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +1

      Absolutely Alex! The Mesa cab is a legend

  • @joristimmermans5058
    @joristimmermans5058 3 года назад +8

    That RIFF though.... through the mesashall cabinet, that's all kinds of old-school, like candlelight-era Opeth or at least that harmonic richness and sonic complexity.

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +2

      Thanks! Love their Candlelight albums!

  • @mrelegoboy
    @mrelegoboy 3 года назад +4

    "it sounds honky and scooped at the same time somehow" I laughed out loud!

  • @jensvide777
    @jensvide777 3 года назад +6

    I liked the Marshall cab with it's pre-loaded speakers too.

  • @geraldbolso1899
    @geraldbolso1899 3 года назад +4

    Great scheiBe Kohle! You just can't beat the recto, it delivers every single time.

  • @aforsmo
    @aforsmo 3 года назад +4

    JCM2000 with the Mesa speaker in Marshall cab was surprisingly satisfying and awesome

  • @ciddax754
    @ciddax754 3 года назад +2

    Thanks so much for this test. I never thought two 4x12 cabs sounds SO different with the same speaker.

  •  3 года назад +7

    IRs?! Gotta catch them all! :D "One never has enough IRs!"

  • @chugmonkey5033
    @chugmonkey5033 3 года назад +4

    Nice demo mate. I loved the sound of the Mesa V30 in the Marshall cab. \m/

  • @TVoltG
    @TVoltG 3 года назад +2

    Many years I have been a Mesa 412 oversize cabs from 1996. A couple years ago I bought a jcm900B cabinet from 96 and a 1960 Lead A cab from 2009. I installed two of the UK G12T75's from the B cab into the A cab, pulled the Chinese ones out and installed two V30 speakers in each with the UK G12T75's. My a/b'd them against my Mesa Cabs. From heavy metal, down tuned madness to cleans and all in between. I kept the Marshalls and after all those years I sold the Mesas. My rig was perfect with these cabs and those speakers. Everyone that listened to them back to back agreed. I do love the way the Mesa Cabs look but tonally with my rig, these Marshalls kill. I have a third cab in the mix now that is also a Marshall recovered. I run everything in a dual mono setup that is basically wet and dry. I can actually say I'm 100% satisfied and loving my tone for the last 2 years solid straight.

  • @coltonchapman
    @coltonchapman 3 года назад +5

    Definitely keen to hear what they might sound like blended together too :3

  • @andreszamudio9717
    @andreszamudio9717 3 года назад +3

    That’s a really interesting conclusion! The speaker is more important than the cabinet itself! Great video, as always! I just subscribed to the mailing list! ;) I’d love to have that IR! Greetings from Colombia!

  • @continuum288
    @continuum288 3 года назад +3

    Hey i was way stoked to check out this new vid of yours. I love hearing the difference in cab tone in controlled tests. Very comprehensive. I was also very happy that you said, " a matter of taste" at the latter stage of your vid. Because different tests will always yield a different result and hence a different flavor. Thank you!

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +4

      Thanks man! One of my my driving forces is: "my taste is not yours". I always try to understand the good and bad sides of every tone. No matter if I personally like them or not.

  • @timonbutcherman
    @timonbutcherman 3 года назад +2

    Long time wanted to make that test with same speaker in different cabs... Thank you for saving my time! ))

  • @EdenGoldstein
    @EdenGoldstein 3 года назад +2

    Honestly, there was never a mailing list I was excited to subscribe to. Well done, man. Can't wait for the courses and everything else, I want to learn!

  • @tyg.5149
    @tyg.5149 3 года назад +4

    That scooped voicing on the JCM 2000 with the Mesa V30 in the Marshall cab is perfect for that oldschool thrash sound!

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +2

      It has a certain early 90s vibe. That's how I felt about it.

    • @bestevaer1977
      @bestevaer1977 3 года назад

      Subscribed - How much impact on the sound would the interaction between the speakers have? Swapping out all 4 speakers from the Mesa to the Marshall cab would give you that answer 🙃 i love the Mesa cabs. Most of the tones i make start with Ownhammer IR’s from Mesa or an Orange ppc 412 with V30’s.

  • @bradhill935
    @bradhill935 3 года назад +3

    i brought an old JCM900 cab, threw in some WGS vet30's & Invaders in an X pattern...unreal sound...& my fav cab has always been the Mesa...looks like the quality of the Mesa V30's over the rest makes a huge difference too...excellent education once again, thanks!

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +3

      Gonna show the Vet30s in a video soon. stay tuned!

    • @bradhill935
      @bradhill935 3 года назад

      @@KohleAudioKult awesum! look forward to it

  • @MrGcaldera
    @MrGcaldera 3 года назад +2

    The more informative and honest channel in this web!!! thank you!!!

  • @Hansipp
    @Hansipp 3 года назад +2

    HOLY SHIT! I have recently been thinking about selling my 1960AV due to it sounds the way it the way it does. NEW SPEAKERS IT IS!
    Tack så mycket Kristian, din hemliga beundrare från Norge
    Hans Peter

  • @pellevastano
    @pellevastano 3 года назад +3

    Honestly, I was not expecting the UK V30 to sound that much better. Makes you wonder what's different in the manufacturing that leads to such a different result with something that's supposed to be the same speaker.

    • @silverjaw138
      @silverjaw138 4 месяца назад

      I think they are wired heavier (wattage) than they state.
      It would help explain how they have a different eq curve and they seem to take abuse better. Just my theory

  • @blacknessfallsmusic969
    @blacknessfallsmusic969 3 года назад +18

    I love the Marshall better. I am kind of tired to hear every album that comes out, sound the same year after year. It’s nice to try different things.

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +7

      Stay tuned for more "different things"

  • @JasonMelidonie
    @JasonMelidonie 3 года назад +2

    I'm pretty surprised as well, thanks for the video Köhli!

  • @Ian-qf5ny
    @Ian-qf5ny 3 года назад +2

    Damn man, you knocked this video and the riffs out of the park!!!! Really taking it to the next level... unreal video

  • @metal571
    @metal571 3 года назад +5

    Amazing video! I had always suspected those Mesa UK V30s were the king of the V30s you can buy today. This makes me feel good about when I ordered a genuine UK V30 direct from Mesa recently to replace a standard Chinese V30 in a 1x12 I have. And wow, fascinating results here too swapping the Mesa speaker into a 1960. Cheers

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +2

      Thanks man! You had the right instinct!

    • @bojangles4704
      @bojangles4704 3 года назад +1

      wait, you can order just the speaker from boogie?

    • @metal571
      @metal571 3 года назад +1

      Indeed you can order one directly using their website, which is what I did. Although now that I've read up even further, the T4335B is what you'll get now (the one I have), but the older standard T4335 is the loved one. Sigh. There are too many!! I wonder which specific variant Kristian has in his cab there

    • @marcelopm3
      @marcelopm3 Год назад

      @@metal571 2002 T4335. Watch his video with Nolly

  • @DerWaldhans
    @DerWaldhans 3 года назад +15

    Great video, but there's one thing you were kinda unclear about. Do the G12T-75 suck or not?

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +6

      Hahaaa!

    • @joristimmermans5058
      @joristimmermans5058 3 года назад +10

      It's clear that that's just a matter of taste. As in, if you like the G12T-75, you have no taste.

    • @lovecraftmusic8717
      @lovecraftmusic8717 3 года назад +2

      @@joristimmermans5058 yah, tell that to Jeff Waters who recorded almost all his album with those, until Carnival for sure. Does he have a bad tone? I find he has one of the most awesome tones ever heard. Stop living of stereotypes

    • @johnk9762
      @johnk9762 3 года назад

      Not.

    • @Nghilifa
      @Nghilifa 3 года назад +2

      @@lovecraftmusic8717 The G12T75 made in the 80s are not anything like the ones produced today. The old ones were more akin to Greenbacks on Steroids, the ones we have today are nothing like that.

  • @Gutricyde
    @Gutricyde 3 года назад +2

    Appreciate your unbiased demo's, you never disappoint sir

  • @AVITOSTEPedroTosteMendes
    @AVITOSTEPedroTosteMendes 3 года назад +2

    Man, you're an inspiration (and an expense!!! Now I'm looking online for speakers!). I humbly thank YOU!

  • @deiynshepard8098
    @deiynshepard8098 3 года назад +5

    I am shocked with how good your results are haha. Thanks for doing this Kristian!
    Could we get something like this with the Orange 4x12 vs the Mesa OS 4x12 ? Perhaps an anatomy video of the cabs?

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +2

      I just don't have an Orange cab here. I remember them to sound a little dark and boxy though.

  • @saitenkiller
    @saitenkiller 3 года назад +4

    Still waiting for that Hesu Demon Speaker to make an appearance in one of your speaker related clips. Thomann stocks Hesu stuff now, just in case... :)
    But cheers again for this one - very nicely done and finally some actual evidence regarding the whole "mesa-voiced V30" myth. Never had I expected the difference to be THAT noticeable.

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +1

      Yes! I should get in touch with Hesu.
      I still have enough untested speakers here though

  • @vaderqrt1731
    @vaderqrt1731 10 месяцев назад +1

    I liked the Marshall’s v30! And there’s nothing wrong with it!

  • @TroyPosey
    @TroyPosey 3 года назад +2

    I love the way my Blackstar Series One Pro 4x12(a) cabinet sounds with their custom-voiced Celstion Vintage 30's. It has a great sound. Lots of depth. Lots of bass. Lots of everything. I would love to see yall compare one of these to the Mesa and Marshall 1960 and other cabs with V30's in them. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

  • @polviggen
    @polviggen 3 года назад +5

    very interesting video, Already knew the mesa speakers are different after owning both cabs (mesa oversized and marshall 1960BV and AV, but not that the difference is this big. I wonder how the cheap harley benton cabs with V30's compare.

  • @Hicks505
    @Hicks505 3 года назад +3

    2:04 that was riff was awesome

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад

      Thanks! But this was just some spontaneous riffing this morning!

  • @allboutthemojo
    @allboutthemojo 3 года назад +1

    Interesting, usually it's impossible to tell sound demo differences on you tube but with this demo it was distinctly different. The mesa had more note definition, tight, punchy, not harsh at all and balanced beautifully. The difference is just wow!

  • @jacksmith4460
    @jacksmith4460 3 года назад +1

    the 2 cabs at the end actually sound like they would blend brilliantly on a double tracking or 2 panned guitars

  • @WreckoWreckovnik
    @WreckoWreckovnik 3 года назад +3

    I was suprised how Marshal cab sounds with MB speakers. I might getting one in near future :)

  • @dickieradd
    @dickieradd 2 года назад +6

    You saved me from wasting money on a 1960A. This is my 1st time seeing you. You just casually explained everything ever to me in 10 minutes with the best comparison video in RUclips history. Subscribed.

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  2 года назад +1

      You’re welcome! Spread the word! 🍺❤️

  • @kyleriddle8734
    @kyleriddle8734 3 года назад +1

    The guitar face melting at the beginning of this video is wicked!

  • @jurainspired8438
    @jurainspired8438 2 года назад +1

    Great video!
    I love marshall cabs 4-ever.
    Have 4 4x12 (1× from 1968 original, 1x 1 cab from 68 and 1970 green back, 1x 1960 lead and goid v30, 1x original 1960A) all sounds fantastic and difrent!
    Mesa sounds like mesa (point)

  • @saberreiter8569
    @saberreiter8569 3 года назад +4

    fantastisches Video, wie immer.

  • @gaukarmadhouse
    @gaukarmadhouse 3 года назад +4

    Marshall kinda has a juicy, more vocal sound. Mesa sounds more direct, roaring, and open.

  • @IOeigo
    @IOeigo 3 года назад +2

    Really well executed and entertaining tests as usual. Keep it up!

  • @ChronicHateBand
    @ChronicHateBand 3 года назад +2

    Great comparison and great tone Kohle!

  • @linadecaseleycarloss5838
    @linadecaseleycarloss5838 3 года назад +3

    I think they all have their place in a mix, depending on what you are after. I personally have always preferred the Marshall sound & never really taken to the Mesa sound. However, I do agree the 75s in the Marshall suck & am looking at changing mine out for a selection of the speakers you highlighted in your video comparing various models. Cracking video dude!!!

  • @DalleyMusic
    @DalleyMusic 3 года назад +4

    When I heard the LP scratch I thought I was gonna hear "Fast as a Shark"!!

  • @StevenMikel1
    @StevenMikel1 3 месяца назад

    The cab to cab comparison was cool and interesting. I liked both cabs equally and feel they compliment each other nicely. The Marshall is more focused and the Mesa is more open and has more low end . I could see blending them and, adjusting the balance to fit the needs or sections of a song.

  • @bucknasty69
    @bucknasty69 3 года назад +1

    Best cabinet I've ever had for metal was a Marshall Vintage Modern slant with greenbacks. Sounded absolutely righteous with my JCM800 and ESP Eclipse with EMGs. I played hardcore and metalcore with that setup and it worked great for my needs.

  • @rk28984
    @rk28984 3 года назад +3

    The speakers in the Mesa sound more like my WGS Veteran 30 than the Celestion V30 I had before. The V30s from the Marshall cab sound exactly like I remember V30s to sound like most of the time.

  • @iamhated1292
    @iamhated1292 3 года назад +8

    I thought it would be closer in the mix... to my ear it's where the Mesa really proved itself.
    Great video again and as always!
    Oh, and btw, what about differences between a straight and angled cab?
    ❤️

  • @MoneyHammer
    @MoneyHammer 3 года назад +1

    This was a huge surprise and great to learn! Thanks for making this!

  • @issacv.3035
    @issacv.3035 3 года назад +2

    I have a JCM2000 and looove it. Those riffs were freakin fantastic!

  • @luca4352
    @luca4352 3 года назад +4

    I own the Marshall Silver jubilee Cab. It has the V30's made in england, rumors say they are the exact same as in the Mesa Cabs. Now when I compare your Marshall V30's to mine, they sounds pretty different (I like mine a lot more), I think the rumors might be right. I'd really like to compare the IR of your Marshall with my Marshall Cab!
    PS: Richtig geiles Video, Experimente mit solcher Hingabe und Genauigkeit würde ich gerne mehr sehen! +1Abo

  • @Lozek
    @Lozek 3 года назад +3

    Subscribed. I would love to have heard a third option, the difference between the Standard size Mesa against the Marshall and the OS Mesa. I always find myself gravitating towards the standard size Mesa more and I think it has some of the properties that made the Marshall sound great.

  • @Brandon-RZ
    @Brandon-RZ 3 года назад +1

    Another badass tone from the king of metal mixing!

  • @vibrevtonez2421
    @vibrevtonez2421 3 года назад +2

    Great comparison and video! My only complaint is that one was a straight cab and the other was a slant which actually does has a impact in tone even when close miking.

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +1

      Yes. But believe me, that difference is 200% neglectable in this case.

  • @georgepelekoudis
    @georgepelekoudis 3 года назад +3

    Wow..the Mesa kicks the Marshall, yet when you transplanted the speakers from the Mesa it brought it to life. Have you ever mic’d up each individual speaker of a 4x12?

  • @josephmay1255
    @josephmay1255 3 года назад +7

    the marshall 19060 with t75s is the sound of every deftones record, most meshuggah records, smashing pumpkins, early machine head, and dead heart in a dead world from nevermore . have a more open mind with those speakers

    • @koffieverslaafde627
      @koffieverslaafde627 3 года назад +1

      They have their place imo, but the don’t sound ‘good’. They’re raw af though

  • @daan3192
    @daan3192 3 года назад

    My opinion just came along your channel I'm playing for 7 years now and you allready teached a lot of stuff to me about amps and cabs! Best guitar channel on RUclips!! Greetings from Rotterdam 😀🤟🏻🤟🏻

  • @naicametal
    @naicametal 3 года назад +2

    Great video Kohle! I love the song BTW

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +1

      When I just listened back, i laos thought: The riff is not bad, haha! That was done in 2 minutes.

  • @ChernobylAudio666
    @ChernobylAudio666 3 года назад +3

    Once you switched the speakers on the Marshall, I really liked it! Just a different character. Awesome video as always!

  • @stephenmoore2840
    @stephenmoore2840 3 года назад +3

    I use a JCM2000DSL 😁 and have always thought it was a great amp. Been using it for 15 years. I also have a 1960A with stock speakers. I like them but now I don't know what to think 😵

  • @ehav
    @ehav 3 года назад +2

    Nice! I miss my mesa cab! I am rocking the Fryette Fat Bottom cab these days .

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +1

      thanks! was that their ported cab?

    • @ehav
      @ehav 3 года назад

      Kohlekeller Studio the Mesa was sealed so is my Fryette

  • @kalma5003
    @kalma5003 3 года назад +1

    That Marshall with Mesa speaker sounded surprisingly good. I wasn't expecting that V30 would be made differently for different cabs. I thought that they would sound closer to each other.

  • @me128166
    @me128166 3 года назад +26

    Kohle is king

    • @JeremiahKane
      @JeremiahKane 3 года назад +2

      Always has been!

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +6

      Haha! Trying hard. Long way to go still!

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro 3 года назад +3

      He’s pretty awesome! Just don’t let him know! Might go to his head!

    • @De50lat0r
      @De50lat0r 3 года назад

      Köhlnig?

  • @stefanosella5719
    @stefanosella5719 3 года назад +4

    Kohle... My first reaction was: there's nothing wrong with Marshall original tone.... If I was in the studio with you and offered both I would probably go for that one.... A bit more bite.... Then I listened the two cabs in the mix and I by far preferred the Mesa as I thought I was more "present" where it actually matters... Am I the only one...?

  • @JulesCalella
    @JulesCalella Год назад +1

    In the mix they were so similar, even though I preferred the Marshall in that particular mix slightly more. Solo, the Boogie sounded much better.

  • @abowla7187
    @abowla7187 3 года назад +1

    I like the Mesa speakers in the Marshall cabinet. More dry and not as fizzy with some clarity.

  • @ChuckGlyder
    @ChuckGlyder 3 года назад +6

    The Mesa sounds like it has a blanket thrown over it.

  • @SpectreSoundStudios
    @SpectreSoundStudios 3 года назад +24

    Great stuff, dude! Of course, the ENGL cab is far superior to the Mesa ;) ... and so is the Laney! :p

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro 3 года назад +4

      Haha got to LOVE both the ENGL (German...Kristian?) and Laney (English...me? Ha)! I do have a soft spot (heavy?) for the Mesa!

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +6

      Haha!
      I remember the Engl cab to sound a kinda thin.
      The oversized Engl was the only one that worked for me.
      But that was more than 10 years ago, maybe I should compare it in another video!

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +3

      Haha, right! I have never tried a Laney cab. Perhaps I should do that as well.

    • @joshuamunson5841
      @joshuamunson5841 3 года назад

      I just couldn't get on board with the Laney cab. I use a Harley Benson v30s with my Laney head.

    • @fredriksvard2603
      @fredriksvard2603 3 года назад

      Lol laney

  • @GuitarsAndSynths
    @GuitarsAndSynths 3 года назад

    Amp cab and speakers are most important component for tone. I took my tiny ENGL Ironball lunchbox amp and ran it through my Orange 4x12 cab with V30 speakers and it sounds massive.

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад

      Absolutely! That’s what I have been preaching for a while already!

  • @johnathan.jerusik
    @johnathan.jerusik 3 года назад +1

    Man oh man!!! Im so happy im getting a new cab soon!!! I have a 91 or 93 Marshall 1960B Vintage cab and I love the head im playing through it but I am missing so much grunt and umph! Also made me realize I want to get a mesa cab too know lol.

  • @ManuSDP
    @ManuSDP 3 года назад +3

    The JCM2000 boosted with a Metal Zone is death metal heaven. Great video as always Kohle!

  • @SaberToothGary
    @SaberToothGary 3 года назад +3

    I think the Orange 4x12 buries both of these... Voice of the World speakers.

    • @MaestroJericho
      @MaestroJericho 3 года назад +1

      I feel like these are industry standards but there's nicer stuff. Like the Orange(US made)/Bogner/Friedman/whoever makes Victory cabs all felt nicer than Marshall or Mesa cabs. The Friedman and Bogner are both made in LA too so I don't know if it's the same builder. The grill on my Friedman head is the same as the grill on my Bogner if that means anything.

  • @jsullivan2112
    @jsullivan2112 2 года назад +1

    So in conclusion it's both the speakers and the dimensions of the Mesa cab. There was a noticeable improvement (way more body) when you moved the Mesa V30s to the Marshall cab, but it still wasn't quite there. To me that says the oversized cab fills in the blanks. Terrific video!
    As a sidenote, I think it's important to point out that Mesa were not the first ones to do the oversize cab. I have a 1982 Hiwatt cab with the same dimensions sitting behind me with the same top end clarity. A little less bass response, but that's because it has Fanes in it, which are very bright. But the balance, the body, everything is there.

  • @j-fquevillon8134
    @j-fquevillon8134 3 года назад +1

    What a great explanation and exercice! Good work on the video production too! Cheers

  • @albertovelozo2644
    @albertovelozo2644 3 года назад +3

    Marshall sounds horrible! but Idk why I like it for thrash metal hehehe

  • @stringsdiezel
    @stringsdiezel 3 года назад +1

    Depending on the amp used, the question I would ask myself at the end (final comparison) would be whether it would sound better/be easier to try to dial out some fizz on the Mesa cab, or boost up some high-mid/highs on the Marshall.
    I often find that the starting point with the least fizz is easier to get sounding good and present vs. trying to band-aid a sound with unwanted noise. Depends on all the pieces of the puzzle though.

  • @matttaylor1449
    @matttaylor1449 3 года назад +1

    Very insightful experiment. Subscribed to the email list. Looking forward to more vids from this channel too, now that you're only making vids for this one.

  • @untartelette7545
    @untartelette7545 3 года назад +1

    The speakers in the Marshall 1960BV have nothing to do with V30s, they're sold as Custom G12 Vintage and are not available elsewhere.

  • @craigpaulson3503
    @craigpaulson3503 3 года назад

    I'd be lost without your videos. Thanx!!!

  • @Rikamortis6stringer
    @Rikamortis6stringer 2 года назад +1

    CARVIN CABS are the best all around sound wise !!!
    I run dual 100w amps in stereo! On my side is a 6505+ with 2 Carvin cabs with V30s. On the other side a JVM with Egnater cab with 12T75s!!!!! SWEET SWEET SWEET!!!!

  • @therocinante3443
    @therocinante3443 3 года назад

    I was really rooting for that Marshall cab

  • @tetanusforbreakfast3500
    @tetanusforbreakfast3500 3 года назад +2

    this IR would be nice. :)
    My favorite IRs so far are Own Hammers. I kind of like that i have access to all of those millions of positions of several cabs, speakers, mic, and their positions... i am kind of a nerd like that....
    in the other hand some short cutts are always welcome to get some usable Irs immediately. OwnHammer is great in that regards, too. OH IRs come with a folder where the mix ready stuff, then there is a 'starting-point' A1 folder etc. etc.

  • @Levelity
    @Levelity Год назад

    Sleeper cheap cab is the Marshall Mode Four oversized 4x12. It has Vintage 30’s.

  • @ale.stuckner
    @ale.stuckner 3 года назад

    I just sold my sold... So far it feels awesome! Great knowledge over here, danke schön!

  • @jgmopar
    @jgmopar 3 года назад +1

    I have an old Marshall 1960 cab with Celestion g12-25 ROLA speakers I think it sounds great. The Marshall speakers sound like a digital practice amp

  • @Resartusgaming
    @Resartusgaming 3 года назад +1

    love how the marshall has almost everything the mesa doesn't. I really want to hear them blended!

    • @KohleAudioKult
      @KohleAudioKult  3 года назад +1

      You mean the 100% Marshall or the mixed one?

    • @vanespedals1023
      @vanespedals1023 3 года назад

      The interesting part is that some people swear blending the speakers in diagonally X pattern is the shit: you get the scooped sound of the g12t75 (lows and highs) and the V30 (lows and mids) and get a very balanced sound.
      But the cab is also very important, I would test both cabs with the X pattern setup and test test test :)
      Even the speakers itself can sound different (I mean the 4 in the cab itself).
      It’s crazy :)

    • @Resartusgaming
      @Resartusgaming 3 года назад

      Kohlekeller Studio I mean I like separate things of each one. the low end of Mesa (200hz down); the low mids and mids of Marshall (200-4K); upper mids and highs of the mesa (4k+) Those are my favorite of each one and it would be cool to hear them phase matched and bussed together to see how they compliment each other and fill out what each one lack on their own.