The Cab IR's from this video can be found here - 👾 𝗗𝗜𝗦𝗖𝗢𝗥𝗗 discord.gg/NcFq2Fz Watch me modifiy the Marshall 1960a lead cab here - ruclips.net/video/nHa3RrzvcFo/видео.html
Nicely done man! That Bogner cab sounded so killer, my favorite tone for sure. The V30 / G12T-75 in an X-pattern is probably my favorite overall setup in general. The speakers complement each other very and result in a huge sound.
Boys, replace the V30 with the VHT Chromeback. It’s a hard speaker to find, but it’s something special. That VHT is basically a V30, but it’s a bit more of a full tone. With the G12t-75, it’s crushing.
I used a mesa 412 with v30s for 8 years. I just recently got a ksr 412 cab loaded with v30s and gk100s in an X pattern. It made a huge difference in my tone and i couldn't be happier.
The v30 is a good speakee, but realisticaly, many others are too. It really depends on your own ears and preference. Peavey Sheffields are awesome speakers , geear all around, but it really just depends on your own personal hopes, desires and expectations from the speakers, which are most likely based more on out side opinions than actual performance.
With ohms the main difference is loudness if you compared 4ohms to 16ohms at the same volume level the 4ohms would be slightly louder so most people think it sounds better because it's louder. But 16ohms is supposed to have less interference so for recording 16ohms should be more detailed, but the difference is so small it's really hard to tell
For me, It's all about where you want the guitar to "sit" in a group setting, what sounds good alone sometimes doesn't sound good with other instruments playing. That being said Peavey cabs have always worked out for me regardless of the cab/ amp combination. Great video, personally I would love to see some other amp/ cab videos like this, maybe with a backing track so we all get a better idea of how it would sound in a mix. 🤘🏾
Thanks dude! Yes, that’s why I included IRs of the way I had it mic’d. Hopefully that allows people to try it with their own setups and in their mixes to see how it works for them!
I support and approve the idea of a video series. As a person who has heard a lot of CAB, I will say that the number one for me among all CAB is Vht Fatbottom with P50E speakers. Pay attention to this Cab. I also advise such CAB as: Genz Benz GB 412 G Flex 4x12 or 2x12 Version - low -frequency monster Marshall Mode 4 (Celestion G12 -K100) - an attempt to make a competitor Mesa Oversize Cab, one of the best cab Bogner 4x12 (Vintage 30 and G12T-75) differs from Ubercab by sound Zilla Super Fatboy (G12K100 + V30) - heavy Industrial Sound Hesu Modern M412 (Hesu Demon) Soldano 4x12 (Eminence Legend V12) - dense sound Krank (Texas Heat Speaker) - even denser sound Randall RG100 CAB (Jaguar Res-80 Speaker) - pantera, dense sound Diezel 4x12 (Celestion G12-K100 & V30) Mesa Standard 4x12 (Black Shadow speaker) And on my other channel there are many videos with a demonstration of the sound of cabinet pulses. I plan to make demo versions of more than 200 packages. It can be a hint in the choice. ruclips.net/video/LkT48cY4s90/видео.htmlsi=Q3znal1j7DRKAMHh
Very cool video! Thank you for taking the time to make this. Yes! A series of this would be awesome! I have used this same set up with 5150/Mesa for recording for years. However I use 5150/6505+Marshall MF280 cabs (V30s) live. They seem to cut through on stage better than the same setup with the Mesa.
After owning some cabs, I learned that 🎤 skills matter a lot more than hardware. With the right microphone skill you can make a crappy setup sound like a pro rig
Love it. I used to always record my 5150 with 2 SM57s thru a simple peavey cab with Sheffields and it would always just work. Mic placement is always fun. I really think it depends on how you play. For a riffy guy, the mesa is killer. Ive always loved my peavey cabs but the clarity and heaviness of that Bogner....damn. love this video
This was absolutely awesome man ! I wished my beloved Orange cab was in there ! I feel the same way you do , I've tried so many different marshall cabinets and I never liked any of them.
Speakers matter a lot. The thing that complicates things is - so does your room. And where you place your sensors - also known as ears. Or mic of course. Add psychoacoustics to mix, and humans - and you get... a fun friday evening reading comments!
The Krank stein is a amp you deffo Need to do a cab video for I had the 50 watt version was so fizzy no matter what I did but I didn’t have other cabs to try at the time
I use my 6505 with a Peavey labeled 4x12 straight cab with the 5150 labeled slant cab on the top rap for the full stack. In comparison to my dual rectifier which I use with the mesa oversized cab, I can say for a fact that the Sheffield speakers those 5150/6505 heads came with really hold their own. You can definitely hear how Eddie was dialed in to the sound of amp he wanted. Point being, I think the OG Peavey cabs with Sheffield speakers are the best combo for the amp. They deliver the low end, clarity in the mids and evenly balanced.
Dang dude, I really loved the bogner t75/v30 and the Marshall t75/v30. Makes me want to get a 2x12 with those two speakers. The Sheffields are cool too. I wasn’t crazy about the 57 on those speakers but the other mic was really cool
in my experience the orange ppc 4x12 is a perfect match but its also almost untransportable! i "downgraded" to 2x orange ppc112 and couldn`t be happier with it! all with vintage 30 speakers! the strong midrange helps the 5150 to cut better through a mix, the marshall with gt-75 speakers is the worst since it has almost no mids cheers 🎸🎸
Yeah it’s such a pain to move them without a dolly. They do have a little more shrill IME when close mic’ing them compared to a Mesa cab. Also if you take the Mesa cab off it’s casters, it does seem to have the bass interaction that the orange has, just not nearly as much.
The orange cab carries the standard production V30 speakers. The mesa cab carries special ordered mesa only V30 speakers. The mesa V30 is less spiky than standard V30. As per Glenn Fricker, the most recent V30 sounds closer to the holy grail standard V30 from early 2000s era.
@@JohnWiku thats just bogus and a long debunked myth. there are several podcasts with mesa and celestion engineers about that topic. mesa uses 8 ohm v30 speakers, almost all other manufacturers like orange are using 16ohm, that makes a noticable difference in the sound. cheers 🍻
my fav in this order 1st. mesa, 2nd. Bog, 3rd. Peav, 4th. Marsh. I pref the Mesa by a large margin here because it just sounds more in your face! \m/ I play the same set up a 5150 letter block with a Mesa 90's cab! \m/
I’ve got a siggy 5150 combo from ‘96. Found a matching cab someone created by chopping the top off of a different 5150 combo. Fixed it up and recovered it. Now I’ve got a matching half stack.
slant face/oversize mesa with v30s and g12/gk100s in x pattern just beats all others imo. Something special about the slanted Mesas and a set of different speakers to choose from
Thank you for sharing your IR's with us and thank you for making all these comparisons. IF I may though......... I personally wouldn't aim to have the mic placement the same on every speaker (I understand why you did it though) I'd rather try the mic in different positions for that particular speaker because the typical "edge of the dust cap" might not sound as good on something other than a V30 and might make a G12 anniversary sound horrible( for example.... I have no basis in fact on that particular speaker and mic combo) where another mic position might capture its qualities that best.
The 5150 straight & slants are killer work horses and road true used mine for about 20 yrs, with 5150 signature block now running Vader cab with 6505 pretty beefy also the JSX cabs pretty good with 5150
I’m gonna need to listen to this on my studio monitors. On my phone the “mixed” signal sounds 180° out of phase. Regardless I’m getting a terrible representation of what’s going on because I’m listening on my phone. I usually have at least good quality headphones on but not today.
Should try and get ahold of a vht/fryette fat bottom cab but the one loaded with the eminence P50e speakers. That’s one of the best sounding cabs I’ve heard.
I used to use one live wayyyy back in like 2003. I don’t remember it being super mind blowing or anything, but I do remember it being a lot better than my Xxx cab
@@TaylorDanley yea I remember it being that way too but it stood out when I started running 7 and 8 string guitars through it. It didn’t far out like the other cabs I was trying out
I had a Marshall-esque 120W tube amp (Koch Powertone) that did really come to live with a 90s 2x12 closed back recto cab. The cab compensated with the muddier tones, scooping / tightening a bit. I once considered exchanging it with a friend for a Bogner 2x12 but the Bogner was just grainy, boomy, unfocused, so I kept the recto cab. I also once paired the amp with a Koch 4x12 with V30s and that was in retrospect maybe a better pairing than the recto, but I sold it nonetheless. Then I got a Peavey RockMaster preamp, killer preamp but tighter by nature and it just became to thin with the recto cab. Paired that with a Marshall 2x12 JVM open back cab and that was a much better combination. TLDR: I do really feel that matching an amp with a cab is a serious avenue to explore for tone chasers.
I wish you could test different types of enclosures like ported vs sealed. In theory an infinite baffle should record perfectly because you would have no opposing frequencies
Pretty sure you could get each of these vabs sound badass with the sm57 by slightly adjusting the mic position. And then comparing rhe cabs (with a fitting mic placement for each) would be the ultimate test.
Out of the bunch the Bogner and the Mesa OS stand out the most. The Bogner has the edge over the Mesa in my opinion, it has a well rounded sound over all in comparison to the other cabs.
What about a 2x12? I’ve been wondering about the Invective 2x12 for my 6505+ because I A) just want something that takes less room and B) I’m not in a band atm but like playing through that head at home. Really want an effective alternative to a giant 4x12.
Hate to break 69 comments (nice), but glad to see you have a video on this! I also hear the Virtuoso is now in C Standard, should give some good variety along with the Grimoire and other Jacksons! One speaker combo I've wanted to try is an X-pattern of Greenbacks and Hempbacks, I like how smooth Greenbacks can be and I found out about Hempbacks a while back, which seem really interesting
Wow, I thought I was going crazy. I have the same Marshall 1960a cab and it sounds extremely quiet when I'm jamming with the rest of my band. I have my Peavey Triple X cranked well over half way just to keep up. Both are older and bought used so some volume loss is expected, but I wonder what it would sound like if I plugged my amp into a newer Mesa or Bogner cab...
I just watched a band I'm very familiar with play 1 amp into a mesa cab and a 1960 cab. The 1960 was quieter and overall just thin/lame sounding in comparison.
5150 + marshall cab = Machine Head early tone 5150 + mesa cab = Chimaira "the impossibility of reason" tone TS + 5150 + mesa cab w 57 = 2000's metalcore Love both flavours. Pretty sure it also sounds insane with Engl cabs, Orange cabs, etc...
My Marshall Mode Four Cabinets are great cabs. One loaded with G12K-100 Celestions, and one loaded with MF Vintage 30 Celestions. They're getting difficult to come by these days. I also like the Fortin Hexdrive with my Bock Letter 5150's.
I just bought a Soldano cab with V30's stock and that cab sounds absolutely phenomenal... but ive noticed the amount of videos and reviews on the Soldano cab you can count on one hand... any reason why no one talks about Soldano cabs??
@@27retrodaze Hmm...I don't know, maybe the Mesa and Marshall cabs are seen as the standards used everywhere.I don't doubt the Soldano's are great cabs, as good if not better.
You need to try the Marshall MF cabs they are oversized with V30s in the slant cab and have K100's in the straight cab. I have one with the v30 and wgs reaper HP in an X pattern
the Bogner and Mesa single SM57 tones sounded the same to me. The Marshall SM57 stood out but it was a different speaker. The Triple X sounded similar to the Marshall but with a more Greenback like scoop. The 1960 def sounded the best to me, followed by the Triple X. When recording at home those are basically my go to cabs for the left and right. They play really well together.
Also I'm still telling ya.... you gotta try Texas heats.... mixed with legends at some point. It's become my go to, next experiment is mixing Texas heat with dv77(dv77 plus legends are great too)
I have a block letter and with the same pickups and amp settings these IR's don't sound nearly as good. I wonder where my signal chain is going wrong. I wonder if I need new tubes or if this head was modded.
I've heard Sheffield's sound good and I've heard them sound like crap....so it's up to the room ,mic,and EQ settings ... more partial to the oversized closed back with v30's, or open back with fane 75s . Hell the old Peavey pa12's sound awesome with sludgy tones too..
12:12 It's "kind of" pointless to compare (or at least judge, as in "this cab is worse because it's too (insert bad word) compared to the other cab") cabs with the same mic positions, just because in real life (with real mics or virtual mics that can be moved) we would adjust mic positions anyway to refine the recorded tone. If cab A sounds too thin and fizzy with the SM57 dead center but cab B sounds perfect with the same mic/mic placement/same room/etc, then maybe cab A would sound just perfect if you move the SM57 slightly off axis or something. It was my mistake when doing virtual miking with the Two Notes (Torpedo / Wall Of Sound / CAB...) stuff early on : i would get an awesome sound with a Engl cab and SM57 in a specific position, and then would just switch the cab model to say a Mesa OS (but keep the same mic model/mic position) and suddenly i would dislike the Mesa Cab, when actually it would sound awesome if i had just bothered to tweak the mic position (especially the horizontal axis) just a little. Now i really mess with mic positions before "judging" a cab/mic combination and comparing it to another cab. EDIT : however i understand that for practical reasons it's easier to just leave mics in the same position and then just swap cabs :) EDIT 2 : however #2 : IN THE ROOM (which you cannot really capture or experience with a RUclips Video, but can get close by using room mics or binaural mics placed far away from the cab), it's a different story, since you hear more of the entire cab sound, and not just a capture of the cab by a mic that's placed in a very specific position that has a drastic impact on the tone
The Peavey cabinet had so much high end, it was grating. Not in a good way at all. The Marshall and the Bogner did well, very serviceable. The Mesa sounded the best to my ears.
The Cab IR's from this video can be found here - 👾 𝗗𝗜𝗦𝗖𝗢𝗥𝗗 discord.gg/NcFq2Fz
Watch me modifiy the Marshall 1960a lead cab here - ruclips.net/video/nHa3RrzvcFo/видео.html
Nicely done man! That Bogner cab sounded so killer, my favorite tone for sure. The V30 / G12T-75 in an X-pattern is probably my favorite overall setup in general. The speakers complement each other very and result in a huge sound.
I agree, they sort of comb filter out each others harshness to my ear. Bogner cab may be the new fave. Hard to top the Mesa though!
Boys, replace the V30 with the VHT Chromeback. It’s a hard speaker to find, but it’s something special. That VHT is basically a V30, but it’s a bit more of a full tone. With the G12t-75, it’s crushing.
@@toneconsultant Sounds interesting. I have been tempted to pick up a few Eminence CV-75s to try with V30s in an X.
V30 + DV77 in X pattern!!?
I’m obsessed with this channel lately and will be the reason I impulse buy a Jackson
I’m glad you’re obsessed with the channel, but sorry I’m making you want to impulse buy a Jackson 😂 hopefully that’s a good thing
I used a mesa 412 with v30s for 8 years. I just recently got a ksr 412 cab loaded with v30s and gk100s in an X pattern. It made a huge difference in my tone and i couldn't be happier.
You also have to factor in the speaker. Most cabs use V30s. Changing out the speaker will also make a huge difference.
The v30 is a good speakee, but realisticaly, many others are too. It really depends on your own ears and preference. Peavey Sheffields are awesome speakers , geear all around, but it really just depends on your own personal hopes, desires and expectations from the speakers, which are most likely based more on out side opinions than actual performance.
You also have to factor OEM speakers. A Mesa v30 will sound different to a marshall v30
Yes for a cabinet series! Using same amp and microphone and then just swotching cabs!
With ohms the main difference is loudness if you compared 4ohms to 16ohms at the same volume level the 4ohms would be slightly louder so most people think it sounds better because it's louder. But 16ohms is supposed to have less interference so for recording 16ohms should be more detailed, but the difference is so small it's really hard to tell
For me, It's all about where you want the guitar to "sit" in a group setting, what sounds good alone sometimes doesn't sound good with other instruments playing.
That being said Peavey cabs have always worked out for me regardless of the cab/ amp combination. Great video, personally I would love to see some other amp/ cab videos like this, maybe with a backing track so we all get a better idea of how it would sound in a mix. 🤘🏾
Thanks dude! Yes, that’s why I included IRs of the way I had it mic’d. Hopefully that allows people to try it with their own setups and in their mixes to see how it works for them!
Great video!! I have a 5150ii and play it through an Engl XXL. An absolute beast of a combo
Engl cabs are the best imo. Mesas sound warmer, yes, but not as in your face as an Engl cab.
Triple X surprisingly good. Also surprise my favorite in this test!
I would love more of these sort of videos, it's kind of difficult to know which one is the best.
I support and approve the idea of a video series. As a person who has heard a lot of CAB, I will say that the number one for me among all CAB is Vht Fatbottom with P50E speakers. Pay attention to this Cab.
I also advise such CAB as:
Genz Benz GB 412 G Flex 4x12 or 2x12 Version - low -frequency monster
Marshall Mode 4 (Celestion G12 -K100) - an attempt to make a competitor Mesa Oversize Cab, one of the best cab
Bogner 4x12 (Vintage 30 and G12T-75) differs from Ubercab by sound
Zilla Super Fatboy (G12K100 + V30) - heavy Industrial Sound
Hesu Modern M412 (Hesu Demon)
Soldano 4x12 (Eminence Legend V12) - dense sound
Krank (Texas Heat Speaker) - even denser sound
Randall RG100 CAB (Jaguar Res-80 Speaker) - pantera, dense sound
Diezel 4x12 (Celestion G12-K100 & V30)
Mesa Standard 4x12 (Black Shadow speaker)
And on my other channel there are many videos with a demonstration of the sound of cabinet pulses. I plan to make demo versions of more than 200 packages. It can be a hint in the choice.
ruclips.net/video/LkT48cY4s90/видео.htmlsi=Q3znal1j7DRKAMHh
Very cool video! Thank you for taking the time to make this. Yes! A series of this would be awesome! I have used this same set up with 5150/Mesa for recording for years. However I use 5150/6505+Marshall MF280 cabs (V30s) live. They seem to cut through on stage better than the same setup with the Mesa.
After owning some cabs, I learned that 🎤 skills matter a lot more than hardware. With the right microphone skill you can make a crappy setup sound like a pro rig
Love it. I used to always record my 5150 with 2 SM57s thru a simple peavey cab with Sheffields and it would always just work. Mic placement is always fun. I really think it depends on how you play. For a riffy guy, the mesa is killer. Ive always loved my peavey cabs but the clarity and heaviness of that Bogner....damn. love this video
This was absolutely awesome man ! I wished my beloved Orange cab was in there ! I feel the same way you do , I've tried so many different marshall cabinets and I never liked any of them.
I think they just don't vibe with the way I dial in my amps.
Speakers matter a lot. The thing that complicates things is - so does your room. And where you place your sensors - also known as ears. Or mic of course.
Add psychoacoustics to mix, and humans - and you get... a fun friday evening reading comments!
Definitely make this a series.
The Krank stein is a amp you deffo
Need to do a cab video for I had the 50 watt version was so fizzy no matter what I did but I didn’t have other cabs to try at the time
I use my 6505 with a Peavey labeled 4x12 straight cab with the 5150 labeled slant cab on the top rap for the full stack. In comparison to my dual rectifier which I use with the mesa oversized cab, I can say for a fact that the Sheffield speakers those 5150/6505 heads came with really hold their own. You can definitely hear how Eddie was dialed in to the sound of amp he wanted. Point being, I think the OG Peavey cabs with Sheffield speakers are the best combo for the amp. They deliver the low end, clarity in the mids and evenly balanced.
I agree, EVH helped design these speakers, and EVH brought them the old Marshall cab to copy. Too funny how people don’t want to trust EVH
Dang dude, I really loved the bogner t75/v30 and the Marshall t75/v30. Makes me want to get a 2x12 with those two speakers. The Sheffields are cool too. I wasn’t crazy about the 57 on those speakers but the other mic was really cool
The Bogner sounded so good. Thanks for the IRs!
You bet!
This is awesome, I am sure that Glenn Flicker will love this video
We'll see, I mean he really did pioneer a lot of the trying to be as scientific as possible type shootouts.
Cab comparisons are great 🔥
You should try this with a Vader Cabinet - they’re loaded with Eminence Legends and are GLORIOUS. 🤘🏼
Nice series concept.
Please do more of these.
👍
Thanks a lot man.This video help a lot
For me personally, a Oversized mesa 4x12 cab or a 4x12 orange cab wirh V30s. The orange gives it a lot of resonance and low mids which i love
I would really like to see Taylor's take on horizontal 2x12's such as the Engl 212VHB and the Mesa Rectifier 2x12.
in my experience the orange ppc 4x12 is a perfect match but its also almost untransportable! i "downgraded" to 2x orange ppc112 and couldn`t be happier with it! all with vintage 30 speakers! the strong midrange helps the 5150 to cut better through a mix, the marshall with gt-75 speakers is the worst since it has almost no mids cheers 🎸🎸
Yeah it’s such a pain to move them without a dolly. They do have a little more shrill IME when close mic’ing them compared to a Mesa cab. Also if you take the Mesa cab off it’s casters, it does seem to have the bass interaction that the orange has, just not nearly as much.
The orange cab carries the standard production V30 speakers.
The mesa cab carries special ordered mesa only V30 speakers.
The mesa V30 is less spiky than standard V30.
As per Glenn Fricker, the most recent V30 sounds closer to the holy grail standard V30 from early 2000s era.
@@JohnWiku thats just bogus and a long debunked myth. there are several podcasts with mesa and celestion engineers about that topic. mesa uses 8 ohm v30 speakers, almost all other manufacturers like orange are using 16ohm, that makes a noticable difference in the sound. cheers 🍻
Yeah, I think this would be a great series for your other amps. Cool video.
Thanks!
Mesa oversize + Sm57 for me all day everyday. Such nice and forward sound that cuts throw the mix
🙌The mesa and bogner were in my opinion the best. But i prefer the mesa/5150. Keep doing a series like this. Its awesome 🤟🏻
If you make this a series, can you try out the powerball mk1 with a few different cabs?
I really love Marshall cabs for everything! But Mesa Boogie is really nice too!
Peavey triple x cab spunded monstrous
Best part about running a quad cortex live is being able to mix and match on the fly!
my fav in this order 1st. mesa, 2nd. Bog, 3rd. Peav, 4th. Marsh. I pref the Mesa by a large margin here because it just sounds more in your face! \m/ I play the same set up a 5150 letter block with a Mesa 90's cab! \m/
Cool series! Always great content Taylor 🤘🏼
I’ve got a siggy 5150 combo from ‘96. Found a matching cab someone created by chopping the top off of a different 5150 combo. Fixed it up and recovered it. Now I’ve got a matching half stack.
slant face/oversize mesa with v30s and g12/gk100s in x pattern just beats all others imo. Something special about the slanted Mesas and a set of different speakers to choose from
the amount of times I went back to 13:25 to listen to the hand flop sound is not something I'm proud of.
Thank you for sharing your IR's with us and thank you for making all these comparisons. IF I may though......... I personally wouldn't aim to have the mic placement the same on every speaker (I understand why you did it though) I'd rather try the mic in different positions for that particular speaker because the typical "edge of the dust cap" might not sound as good on something other than a V30 and might make a G12 anniversary sound horrible( for example.... I have no basis in fact on that particular speaker and mic combo) where another mic position might capture its qualities that best.
the Coffee Audio 2x12 works best with 5150 /6506 in my opinion ^^
The 5150 straight & slants are killer work horses and road true used mine for about 20 yrs, with 5150 signature block now running Vader cab with 6505 pretty beefy also the JSX cabs pretty good with 5150
The build quality is great!
sure are mine are basically just collecting dust lol also have jsx cab, triple cab, 6505 & valvgeking cabs@@TaylorDanley
I’m gonna need to listen to this on my studio monitors. On my phone the “mixed” signal sounds 180° out of phase. Regardless I’m getting a terrible representation of what’s going on because I’m listening on my phone. I usually have at least good quality headphones on but not today.
How dare you 🤣 jk
@@TaylorDanley only barely actually. I almost didn’t watch the video because I was on my phone lol. Maybe I take this stuff a tad bit too seriously
There's a reason why a 5150+V30 loaded cab+SM57 is the de facto metal STANDARD!!!
Sounds thunderous!!!
The Mesa and Bogner sounded best IMO. Love these types of videos!
I like the Bogner the best. I’ve owned one now for many years now and use it every day.
It’s awesome
Should try and get ahold of a vht/fryette fat bottom cab but the one loaded with the eminence P50e speakers. That’s one of the best sounding cabs I’ve heard.
I used to use one live wayyyy back in like 2003. I don’t remember it being super mind blowing or anything, but I do remember it being a lot better than my Xxx cab
@@TaylorDanley yea I remember it being that way too but it stood out when I started running 7 and 8 string guitars through it. It didn’t far out like the other cabs I was trying out
The line 6 cab loaded with celestion v30s is awesome
It would be cool to try the Fryette Fane loaded cab!
I for one am super interested in this. I run a Peavey JSX head and am searching for the right cab/speaker combination for it
I had a Marshall-esque 120W tube amp (Koch Powertone) that did really come to live with a 90s 2x12 closed back recto cab. The cab compensated with the muddier tones, scooping / tightening a bit. I once considered exchanging it with a friend for a Bogner 2x12 but the Bogner was just grainy, boomy, unfocused, so I kept the recto cab. I also once paired the amp with a Koch 4x12 with V30s and that was in retrospect maybe a better pairing than the recto, but I sold it nonetheless. Then I got a Peavey RockMaster preamp, killer preamp but tighter by nature and it just became to thin with the recto cab. Paired that with a Marshall 2x12 JVM open back cab and that was a much better combination.
TLDR: I do really feel that matching an amp with a cab is a serious avenue to explore for tone chasers.
You get a like for the t-shirt mr. Danley ;) (and for the excellent video subject)
I like the mixed version of each cab, with mesa and bogner being the best. By the way, how are you liking that new Virtuoso Jackson? Looks sweet!!
The Mesa oversized cab is still KING!
I wish you could test different types of enclosures like ported vs sealed.
In theory an infinite baffle should record perfectly because you would have no opposing frequencies
I mean that’s not outside the real of possibility
Pretty sure you could get each of these vabs sound badass with the sm57 by slightly adjusting the mic position.
And then comparing rhe cabs (with a fitting mic placement for each) would be the ultimate test.
Out of the bunch the Bogner and the Mesa OS stand out the most. The Bogner has the edge over the Mesa in my opinion, it has a well rounded sound over all in comparison to the other cabs.
I have both Mesa and ENGL 2x12's. I have an ENGL Fireball 25 and Ironball 20 heads. They sound a bit different even though they both have V-30's.
I prefer the sound of the Mesa but that Engl sounds great too, just different flavor.
Man, that Bogner just hits differently
Sounds like it has all the frequencies in the right place. With both mics mixed it sounded the punchiest!
Bogner cab and PV 5150 is a perfect match in the Hotone Ampero a well. Sounds amazing in real life tho.
Please do this as a series
T75s are just so damn fun tbh
Which ever you like the sound of. Simple :)
What about a 2x12? I’ve been wondering about the Invective 2x12 for my 6505+ because I
A) just want something that takes less room and
B) I’m not in a band atm but like playing through that head at home. Really want an effective alternative to a giant 4x12.
Hate to break 69 comments (nice), but glad to see you have a video on this! I also hear the Virtuoso is now in C Standard, should give some good variety along with the Grimoire and other Jacksons!
One speaker combo I've wanted to try is an X-pattern of Greenbacks and Hempbacks, I like how smooth Greenbacks can be and I found out about Hempbacks a while back, which seem really interesting
Yeah, I almost want to put it back in E standard because it just feels like that's what it's made for, but I do like it in C for sure!
Wow, I thought I was going crazy. I have the same Marshall 1960a cab and it sounds extremely quiet when I'm jamming with the rest of my band. I have my Peavey Triple X cranked well over half way just to keep up. Both are older and bought used so some volume loss is expected, but I wonder what it would sound like if I plugged my amp into a newer Mesa or Bogner cab...
Check the hardware and make sure the speakers are in there tight, makes a huge difference
I just watched a band I'm very familiar with play 1 amp into a mesa cab and a 1960 cab. The 1960 was quieter and overall just thin/lame sounding in comparison.
Definitely the Mesa for me
It would be cool to compare the frequency response of each and figure out actual hertz measurements to the words people use to describe these sounds.
5150 + marshall cab = Machine Head early tone
5150 + mesa cab = Chimaira "the impossibility of reason" tone
TS + 5150 + mesa cab w 57 = 2000's metalcore
Love both flavours.
Pretty sure it also sounds insane with Engl cabs, Orange cabs, etc...
My Marshall Mode Four Cabinets are great cabs. One loaded with G12K-100 Celestions, and one loaded with MF Vintage 30 Celestions. They're getting difficult to come by these days. I also like the Fortin Hexdrive with my Bock Letter 5150's.
I used to have a MF280 A canb I got for $200. It was stolen 3 years ago. Been a nightmare trying to find one at a sane price.
I've never tried a Mesa Boogie Oversized. Only the traditional.
I have had both and much prefer the traditional. The oversize I found way too boomy.
Try a Marshall 4x12 cab with 4x Greenbacks. Sounds insane with really high gain. For an example check out the new Cannibal Corpse CD Chaos Horrific.
Oh that's what's on there? Great guitar tone.
Engl Pro is a sick cab too, too bad I can't afford it.
I just bought a Soldano cab with V30's stock and that cab sounds absolutely phenomenal... but ive noticed the amount of videos and reviews on the Soldano cab you can count on one hand... any reason why no one talks about Soldano cabs??
Probably because there are many less expensive other cabs available with the same speakers that are also more common.
@@pinkyellowblue007 it was the same price as a Mesa of the same size and same speakers...
@@27retrodaze Hmm...I don't know, maybe the Mesa and Marshall cabs are seen as the standards used everywhere.I don't doubt the Soldano's are great cabs, as good if not better.
You need to try the Marshall MF cabs they are oversized with V30s in the slant cab and have K100's in the straight cab. I have one with the v30 and wgs reaper HP in an X pattern
The Peavey actually souded best and mesa boogie...but for real both are great
For my ear, Mesa cab still the best.
I use a line 6 cab with v30s. In 16 ohm
Easy answer. Combine it with an old slanted Engl V30. Best cab ever made.
Ever tried the 5150 with a Line6 Spider 4x12? If so, what do you think?
Pretty much any speaker that is dark. The amp is pretty bright but sounds killer thought darker cabinets/speakers.
Here’s how I answer the question. Cross g12h75 and v30 in same 4x12. Get the best of both worlds. Pick which one you want to mic.
2 custom built 2x12 Avatar cabs is what I'd go with. Eminence Governor/DV-77
the Bogner and Mesa single SM57 tones sounded the same to me. The Marshall SM57 stood out but it was a different speaker. The Triple X sounded similar to the Marshall but with a more Greenback like scoop.
The 1960 def sounded the best to me, followed by the Triple X.
When recording at home those are basically my go to cabs for the left and right. They play really well together.
Also I'm still telling ya.... you gotta try Texas heats.... mixed with legends at some point. It's become my go to, next experiment is mixing Texas heat with dv77(dv77 plus legends are great too)
Cabs and then speakers, oh man so many options!
@@TaylorDanley you can find Texas heats very cheap on reverb, I'll get you to try them one day 😆
Just can't beat that Mesa man... not by a long shot IMO.
At The Gates, nice
08:27 sounds like Bolt Thrower
I have a block letter and with the same pickups and amp settings these IR's don't sound nearly as good. I wonder where my signal chain is going wrong. I wonder if I need new tubes or if this head was modded.
Too bad you didn't have another SM57 so you could record three speakers at a time on those X speaker configs.
Mesa cabs and 5150's are like two peas in a pod
I've heard Sheffield's sound good and I've heard them sound like crap....so it's up to the room ,mic,and EQ settings ... more partial to the oversized closed back with v30's, or open back with fane 75s . Hell the old Peavey pa12's sound awesome with sludgy tones too..
Put green back and cream backs in it 8 ohm. You will think differently about the 5150 cab
12:12 It's "kind of" pointless to compare (or at least judge, as in "this cab is worse because it's too (insert bad word) compared to the other cab") cabs with the same mic positions, just because in real life (with real mics or virtual mics that can be moved) we would adjust mic positions anyway to refine the recorded tone.
If cab A sounds too thin and fizzy with the SM57 dead center but cab B sounds perfect with the same mic/mic placement/same room/etc, then maybe cab A would sound just perfect if you move the SM57 slightly off axis or something.
It was my mistake when doing virtual miking with the Two Notes (Torpedo / Wall Of Sound / CAB...) stuff early on : i would get an awesome sound with a Engl cab and SM57 in a specific position, and then would just switch the cab model to say a Mesa OS (but keep the same mic model/mic position) and suddenly i would dislike the Mesa Cab, when actually it would sound awesome if i had just bothered to tweak the mic position (especially the horizontal axis) just a little.
Now i really mess with mic positions before "judging" a cab/mic combination and comparing it to another cab.
EDIT : however i understand that for practical reasons it's easier to just leave mics in the same position and then just swap cabs :)
EDIT 2 : however #2 : IN THE ROOM (which you cannot really capture or experience with a RUclips Video, but can get close by using room mics or binaural mics placed far away from the cab), it's a different story, since you hear more of the entire cab sound, and not just a capture of the cab by a mic that's placed in a very specific position that has a drastic impact on the tone
Ask Rob Arnold. He oughta know.
The green backs the amp engineers originally designed it to be played with.
The Peavey cabinet had so much high end, it was grating. Not in a good way at all.
The Marshall and the Bogner did well, very serviceable.
The Mesa sounded the best to my ears.
Yeah it's hard to sit next too for long.