Hatte mal vor 15 Jahren ca. eine Marshall 412 mit den Dingern. Klang im Raum mit einem 5105 ganz gut (fand ich damals) aber nur mit GANZ speziellen Einstellungen.
I’ve seen people speculate that on From Mars to Sirius by Gojira, they used a Marshall 1960 cab with G12T-75s and that album sounds larger than life as a whole. I’d like to know people’s opinions on whether they think it’s true.
I was totally cursed when I was having my first experiences with the G12T75. I was looking for my first real tube head... and because of the G12T75 I thought that all the new marshalls of that time (JCM2000s) would suck. I hated it. Found out later that every store where I went paired it with the standard 1960. Quite a few years later I tried the DSL50 through a greenback cab and that made me realise how huge the differences between speakers/cabs are! Love the DSLs now and I'm quite sure I'll get one at some point. It's standard cab is just the worst possible combination imo. :D PS: Love grandma's guest appearance!
I actually like those speakers more than the V-30. It’s fuller sounding. Just EQ your amp differently. Turn the lows down, etc. I have a very bright Marshall,, and V-30s are harsh sounding.
thats why marshall chose the 75s during that era , to tame bright mid focused amps . one of my fav tones is a gt75 2x12 with a jvm . they fit perfectly
that’s because the modern g12t-75’s are completely different than the 80’s variant, which is super sought out for. Kurt Cobain was also known for using 80’s 12T-75’s during the nevermind tour, they’re pretty great sounding speakers for live performances because they saturate really well at high volumes.
The early vented magnet G12T-75 speakers were just G12-65 speakers albeit with a kapton voice coil instead of a fiberglass voice coil. It was Celestion's approach to enhancing the G12-65 for high-gain usage. Due to that difference in voice coil, they sounded brighter and more mid-scooped than the G12-65. Rest assured, they were good-sounding speakers, and they sounded nothing like these crappy new G12T75 speakers. If you want a modern alternative to those old vented magnet G12T75 speakers get yourself the WGS ET65 speakers. They are accidental clones of the old vented magnet G12T75. What WGS tried to do with the ET65 was to make a speaker that will be an enhanced take on the G12-65. However, while doing so due to some strange coincidence they ended up doing the exact things that Celestion did while making the original vented magnet G12T75 speakers. They too just cloned the G12-65 and put a kapton voice coil in it, effectively re-creating the old vented magnet G12T75.
@@TheNocturnalEvilwhat you say rings true to alot of trial and error and dialing in an 80s thrash tone on the et65, was using the standard celestion creambacks untill I put an et65 in a katana and was blown away by the raw thrashy tight tones I could get, really screamed kill em all and slayer, now all my speakers in my cabs and setups are all wgs et 65, such a kick ass speaker for 80s metal.
i do exactly the same, my live cab has 2x75 and 2x ashdown speakers (though i plan on changing the ashdown ones to either dv-77 or v30's or something along that line) and my recording cab has 2xv30's
The irony behind the fact that Kohle used to hate T75s but his tone on them is just about better than every speaker he’s tried on this channel. Listen to how defined and firm the low strings sound-His V30 tones are never that precise and firm on the bottom Anyways, it’s fair that one may not like recording with T75s, but they sure as hell are one of the speakers for live playing. They have a really fun “play” about them because they respond very fast and have a lot of snap. they can open up the top-end on a dark, compressed amp and make sure the low end doesn’t get mushy
i mean it definitely isn't the best, but... I feel like you could turn up the treble and mids slightly on the amp, or use a multiband EQ. just to compensate idk.
I read the title... I hear you say the damn 75 destroyed your producer childhood... I remember my own beginnings...Tears are in my eyes... I start typing a comment: "I love your videos so much... You are like the anti-Glenn Fricker...", and then he appears in front of me to haunt me again... God must really fucking hate ma and he's laughing his ass off right now. BTW, I love the sounds you got out of the 75.
I ADORE G12 T-75s. They sound weird in contrast to other more “conventional” speakers, but I think they really smooth out certain amps, 5150s in particular. The 5150 in combination with the V30 has too much damn midrange and a T75 puts a kind of smiley face eq curve on it which makes it more playable IMO. They sound kind of crappy on their own, but can add a great flavor in a mix. Especially amongst a sea of V30s which fucking everyone uses.
That's the thing, we should never forget that the G12T-75 was made for overly middy amps. A more linear or scooped amp can't make it sound good so easily.
@@riangarianga They are beautiful for replacing the horn-sounding Eminence speakers in a Music Man amp. Completely change the character by taming the insane midrange profile.
I'm running an early signature 5150 through a 1960A cab with UK made stock G12T-75s. It sounds like what I would imagine the gates of heaven opening sounds like.
Agree. After Long search and countless hours testing, i went with slanted Warp7 Cabinet loaded with 4 old school and used G12T75 , for my 5150. I never came back. I love My T75's.
I've got G12T-75's in a Marshall Bi-Chorus 200 combo. I've had that amp for about 17 years. It sounds great on things I use it for and I don't have the problems you describe with low end loading because the Marshall has an open back. Those speakers shine in that amp. Worked for Prong. And Glen's bit was hilarious.
I don't know, to me the T75 in this instance actually sounds a lot more evil and ominous, like a the undead crawling out of a swamp (like you said) whereas the V30 almost has an upbeat, cheerful character. Like Dimebag is about to jump out playing a bouncy pogo dance rhythm, when the T75 is like a woeful black metal siren call from a distant icy mountain of doom. Don't get me wrong, the T75 sounds bad, but maybe in a good way?
Stock I find the t75 sounds pretty good blended with something mid forward like a v30, It extends the low and high end and darkens up the sound in a kind of pleasant way
Excellent vid. Have used the famous “75s” in most of my cabs for my 30 years of playing. Sounds great to me. Works best in open back cabs IMO. Depends a lot of what you put in front of it I guess.
Actually i really like how a G12-T75 sounds in the room and on many recording but its a pain in the ass to mic speaker. I never managed to mic one to my liking myself :D But when they are well recorded i really like them...i mean come on just think about - Mellon Collie & the Infinite Sadness for example...or Nevermore - Dead Heart in a Dead World.
I almost agree with you with the 75 being "weird" for recording. But for live, they're the BEST!!! I love the 1960 Marshall cabs for playing live. I've never heard myself so clearly on stage, until I played through these speakers. I can be pretty quiet, not annoy the soundguy, and yet still hear myself crystal clear. The first time i played through a mesa v30 cab live in a 500 capacity venue, i couldn't hear myself at all. I even got an offer for a cab with the t75s way beyond the real value of the cab in the same venue. I also really like them when i do sound in smaller rooms. Outside, i miss the bite of the brighter speakers, but inside, in a small room, i can perfectly control the amount of high end, so that the vocals stay bright, and crystal clear above the mix. The t75 is the best rehearsal room/live speaker period. Else they wouldnt've made so many of them.
This. I've been a gb and v30 guy all life, but hell, when you are in a guitar duo and play heavy music, you just can't hear yourself if the other guy plays a t75 loaded cab, especially if his amp is a bright one. V30s are great, direct, articulate and tight, but dealing with t75s is a nightmare. And don't have me talk about classic leads.
Well, the everlasting reign of terror is finally over, people are opening their minds accepting there are other speakers out there that might even sound better than the V30, or at least sound different, which is something we really need after 30+ years of V30 , let's be creative people! Plus remember cabs/speakers/IRs are 80% of your guitar tones, so let's just try to sound "fresh"! GG Khole!
I thought i was the only one who doesnt like the V30, also not a fan of the 75. I do like the Eminence Swamp thang and Celestion creamback 65. (edit) The g12evh are awesome, the only faithful repro of the classic greenback and far superior to the made in china greenbacks.
@@drew5400 it's not that I don't like V30s, they sound good in their way, but they're not the only speakers ever made, even though the last 30 years of metal recordings apparently disagree... that's the only issue I got with them, I'm just tired of hearing the same guitar tones over and over, 5150 + mesa oversized cab + 57s....I think we can do better nowadays, and Kohle here's making a point on that :)
I did as well. I think the V30s are probably good at cutting through a mix (or whatever the phrase is) but they sound super thin, brittle and harsh to my ears. (listening through a crown power amp and a nice little pair of Wharfdales. Nothing fancy but not my iphone either)
I have a Marshall 212 with the Seventy-80s and I hate them. They seem really bright and just not very defined. Do they sound better after a break in period? They’re a few months old currently.
@@MJPGuitar how many hours have you put into them? In total amount of hours, should be several days of playing to break them in. If you’ve played for not long at all, like, maybe six hours total over the span of two weeks, they’re gonna sound like that
@@MJPGuitar yeah, definitely keep breaking into it. All speakers sound like crap when first starting out, but afterwards, maybe like a couple days worth, it’ll sound awesome
You are very creative for improving that speakers tone. Right now I have to deal with using a smashed iphone to record, and I'm slowly learning every tonal flaw that it has. I'll be an amazing engineer by the time I get a mic.
75s are great. classic 80s/90s tones. scooped mid range is awesome . less mids . more gain . Florida Death Metal for ever . getting tired of these impulse response fake amp fake drum nu metal trash . everything sounds exactly the same.
@@loeffel999. Eh, only because the 75 was loaded in billions of JCM800 cabs. It’s the sound of the 80’s. Honestly I prefer the Vintage 30 over any celestion speaker, even the greenbacks. The mid punch is better.
I also hated that speaker for most of my guitar life (16 years) but now I like it! I use it in a Marshall 4x12 1960B cab: 2 V30 speakers + 2 G12T-75 speakers in X-pattern. That combination is so great!
The good tone is because the socks man. Now, seriously this video series is the only way that i have for learning all about the different speaker models. Great video! 🍻
I haven’t played these speakers in years. And my taste as surely changed since I was in a metal band playing through a Marshall 1960B loaded with g12t-75s. However, I always liked how they sounded. They seemed to remove some mids, so I always had my mids higher than most metal dudes. I also found that pulling my main crunch overdrive to just enough to hit pinch harmonics, and then cranking the volume into the sweet spot where the cab and speakers sounded like they opened up, but not quite loud enough to get muddy-the speakers worked for me. I think. And of course, that was just to my ears and in rehearsal.
@@vanespedals1023 You should easily find someone for a trade. v30 x G12T75 is a popular combo and cabs mostly come with only one type of speaker. I did this too.
Congrats, you got really great tones in the end. Seems really tough to record well. But I actually like my g12t75 for practicing (in a slightly oversized 1x12 open back) as it gives a bigger sound than other Celestions with more manageable highs at moderate volume. But when I tried to record it, it sounded really bad (probably also due to my lack of skills in recording cabs...). So for me it is a great live speaker but a difficult one to record..
For the G12-T75s they aren't like a Vintage vs Greenback which is mostly down to personal taste, G12s are a different beast and you have to tweak the amp to accommodate for it and they can sound very good when done right.
There are many many speakers and cab configurations that I personally would never buy due to lack of cash, but have a great tonal character in their own way IMO.I bought my first set of Celestions 10yrs ago. 4 G12T-75s and rebuilt my year 2000 homemade 4×12 into a hodge podge of solid maple sides and 7ply birch front/back. I've owned probably more than a dozen amps, played maybe a hundred more through it, and I have never not been able to at least dial in a tone I could live with on each and every amplifier that's pushed it's output transformers&valves through. The Lynchback, G12 EVH, and Classic Lead 80 are the only others I can say the same for. If you're after one and only one particular tone in such a focused area of frequencies, along with a similar gain structure throughout, you're always going to think the V-30 is the holy grail of guitar cabs. I'll retain my personal opinion of that speaker to myself, just keep in mind that there's one trick ponies, that (no disrespect) do their tricks about as good as it gets.. and there's guitar drivers capable of covering a broad enough part of the spectrum, they fit just fine the parameters of ever changing and evolving tastes, and tonal prefrences.
Back in the day we had a G12T-75 loaded Marshall 1960A cab in the rehearsal room that I had the bad fortune to use. For years I struggled with a good tone that could also be heard in the full mix. I just didn't understand it. Then one day at a gig, I had the opportunity to use a V30 loaded Orange PPC412 and HOLY SHIT did everything suddenly make sense to me. That was the day I learned cabs matter. I don't think I ever plugged into the Marshall cab again.
Funny how it was the other way around with me. :D I had a PPC412 with V30 that I didn't like at all. Only after I got a 1960B with G12T75 a was happy with my tone. Guess it's all a matter of taste.
@@kennethjolley Depends on the settings of the head and the TYPE of head used. I use an EVH 5150 Iconic head with a Marshall 1960A cab loaded with G12T-75'S and the rig sounds killer.
I kinda like the original sound myself, to be honest, but I can't express how great these videos are. I've learned so much from watching your speaker videos, so for this I thank you.
Question? Could you do a pickup comparison? With the new Adam Jones guitar he flipped the neck pickup. What happens when you flip pickups? Are we just stuck in a comfort zone where we have the pickups faced with the screw pieces away? I hope i am making sense
Fantastic. I assume that Andy Sneap did something similar for Nevermore's "Dead Heart in a Dead World". He said that they used a rectified with a Marshall 1960 cab with G12T-75 and two SM57 microphones.
It's kinda interesting how people right now are trying really hard to get Death's guitar tone with all the valvestate inspired gear coming out. Yet everyone still professes to hate T75s. Literally every record by Death was recorded with them. Every record by bolt thrower was recorded with them. I mean EVERY one. Every single album. I have to agree of course that V30s are much easier to record. If I was the person actually doing the recording of bands, I can see why the T75 is a nemesis of sorts.
When I was 16 my father bought me the Marshall VS100 and matching 4x12 cabs. Still have that stack to this day amongst tons of other acquired stuff. I also own an 8100 Valvestate Head and 2 Valvestate combos. The VS100 stack.......That head sounds terrible on any other cab besides the valvestate cabs however, I have used a few heads that sound beast af on those cabs. My Mesa single recto absolutely slays! So tight and focused and tames the boominess of the Mesa down. From someone who owns 2 4x12 cabs with those speakers and 2 combo's.......I absolutely contribute my signature sound to them and love them. I did an experiment and took the eminence legends out of my Vader 4x12 and put in the gt12t-75's and it is incredible with any head I put on it. The legends to me are just harsh and too barky sounding.
I kinda dig the fuzzy "chomp" of the T75. Maybe if it in a combination with a middy speaker like the G12H75 Greenback, it would be a nice thick, White Zombie-like groove metal tone.
The first thing i thought when i heard the first part was that does not sound like a g12t-75 it does not have that upper mid character especially recorded, the phase thing made it make alot of sense .
worst speaker of all time ? haha, that´s why all these metal bands use this speaker, at least live, where I have seen them use a Marshall 1960 Lead A or B: Obituary, Hatebreed, Dying fetus, Dr. Living dead, Power trip, Suicidial Angels, Terror, Tankard, Gruesome, DRI, Morgoth, ..... and Metallica are said to have used it in the studio for the recording of Master of puppets .(there are endless discussions what gear Metallica have used on their first LPs, but with the gear for Master most "experts" are quite sure) all these bands mentioned are old school thrash and Death metal bands, that is my taste of music, many bands use E or D - Standard. (Hatebreed and Dying fetus are lower). maybe you like a different metal style (lower tunings) , where other speakers are better. I know many local thrash bands, and nearly every one of them uses a Marshall 1960 A cab. (they all play in E-Standard) the slanted A cab is one the most sold 4x12 cabs in the world. (thomann says it is even the most sold) when I compare in a shop the 1960 Lead A and the 1960 AV cab, the Lead wins way ahead. the V30 has too many mids and sounds much thinner. I do not like the speaker in a B cab, there it sounds too dark, no mids, even a little bit boxy, here I agree. but in a slanted cab it has a different tone, even better mids than the V30 version. maybe you have played this speaker in a B cab, then I agree with you. maybe you use lower tunings, then even the slanted A cab might not the speaker for that sound. But for old school thrash and Death metal in E (D-) Standard, it is the right speaker.
Not all Marshalls are loaded with 75s, and not all 75s are the same. Metallica used 65s. 75s are ESPECIALLY terrible for E standard thrash, at least in my experience.
I agree. These speakers are perfect for thrash and those old school 80’s metal. You don’t even have to dial in your tone they just already have that awesome frequency dialed in already. I play drop c with darker amps and it cleans up very well with these speakers.
Early Meshuggah with their best tone was t75, Nevermore - DHIADW, Nightwish - Century Child, Exodus early 00s tone and etc. English made t75 such an awesome speaker, but chinese one... oof. Great Video, sir!
@@phantomflame0658 oh yea and famous Peter's Tagtegren tone from Hypocrisy and Abyss studio ( whole mainstream EU black metal scene since 90s till now ) is t75s afaik. To be honest by far best metal speaker.
Love your stuff Kohle! Are these IR’s part of one of your IR packs? Or can I get them somewhere as I’m watching this a couple years after it was made. Thank you.
I don’t hate this. But the amp and PU will have a minimal effect on what I’m showing in the video. I could have used any amp and any guitar. At least if you are going for a high gain guitar tone.
@@KohleAudioKult Your last sentence covered my point.. Exactly that, not every amp/speaker/pickup is made for high gain, but they can sound good in other settings. Cheers!
@@KohleAudioKult What about making a video using an EVH 5150 Iconic head thru those speakers? I have a Marshall 2011 1960A cab, and I use the Iconic head at the full 80 watts, and the sound is killer !!!
"There`s the speaker I hate the most so I did some impulses for you!" Now that`s the attitude lol On a serious note though I want that impulse! But I`m never lucky
I always loved the old G12T-75s for 80's style thrash rhythm tones, especially with a Marshall amp. But I honestly could never find a use for them when I switched back to a more bluesy rock style, and so I moved onto Vintage 30's first, before finally finding my favourite place with 70's Greenback and Blackback tones.
Do something with those Peavey Sheffield speakers. I have a 4x12 loaded with them and I can't tell if they fucking suck or not because I do plan to change them to V30s anyway. Thanks!
I thought my RUclips subscriptions had melted when my thumbnail preview was showing Glenn instead of Kohle. 😆 Looking forward to your IR pack. You already have my soul. 🔥
Hey Kristian, I love your channel and have learned a ton from you. I did have an observation on this video in particular though. I noticed when you're adjusting phase on your microphones you're basically just using a line delay? I thought that phase is a combination of frequency and time; the frequencies you pickup change based on where the microphone is placed because different wavelengths travel at different speeds, so that has to be accounted for. If you delay a signal so that some peaks are matching, other frequencies will be out of phase. As the microphone moves around the vibrations hit it at very slightly different times, and that's why half an inch can be a huge difference in tone. It's the phase relationship between the different frequencies all competing as they come out of the speaker. If you just delay the track you're not able to manipulate that. Like matching two tracks up by moving one will only make it so that the peak that you matched with the other track is perfectly in phase, everything else is still off by some margin. Now everything will always be a little off, you can't get two totally different mics completely in phase, you can't even get two of the same mic perfectly in phase, but you can get closer using your ears and actually manipulating the microphones. One of my favorite things to do here is try to target high frequencies that I find undesirable and get it to phase out just using the mic placement. Unless you're already extremely close to being where you want, I find that actually moving the mic around while listening produces far superior result to delaying a track until they line up.
I’m doing both. I’m moving mics and I’m delaying mics. It’s a combination of both techniques. And in the end it’s all about listening carefully and having a sonic vision. Not every technically “correct” combination also sounds great.
My dear God, the 75 ruined my life! I had these speakers in my 1960A for more than 10 years. until I got my other two cabs with Greenbacks and V30’s and heard the bells finally coming. I never wanna play 75’s again in my life.
Why go through all that trouble. If it don't work for you try something else. The 75s were made to go with JCM 900 amps. They sound good with those amps which have a very bright and mid focused tone....hence why the 75 sounds they way it does.
You beat me to it! They're application specific and there's a reason they came in Marshall cabs. They also sound good with those modded Marshall plexi's everybody wanted back in the day That had a pronounced barking midrange.
i got 2 from a marshall MG soild state piece of Crap amp i got for 50 bucks on ebay, the amp would quit playing as a bad break in the solder board has a fan that puts out at least 5 watts...pile of Junk, I fixed my tube fender amp back up with a JBL d131 and Never looked at a Marshall again
Dunno why but somehow I feel happy for you man :D even tho g12t75 is one of my favourite speakers (I have one which sounds a lot better than yours, I was actually really surprised how dark sounding the original tone was). And as always, great sound, what you got from that beast ;)
Me da flojera traducirlo al inglés 😅 de todas formas aquí va mi experiencia. El Fender Mustang 3 v2 que uso tiene un Celestion g12t 100. Y para nada me parece un mal speaker, yo lo uso para sonidos clean, y la dinámica que puedo obtener está bastante decente (considerando el precio del Mustang) De ninguna manera me parece el peor speaker que hay.
I wonder what kind of 75s the jcm900 cab I have has, but it never sound like that. Although the amps I played through never sounded like buzzsaw either, perhaps it's the wrong application. I found it was really easy to record with just slapping sm57 at the edge of the cone and it was a good starting point. I considered getting v30s many times because it's an industry standard since forever, but when I listened to comparisons, I always found the top end was uncomfortably bright, and the midrange of the 75 better. Perhaps v30 sits in the mix better, I'm rather amateur anyway, perhaps my gear was just a weird combination. One noticeable thing I tend to do though, with the Laney I always turn the bass almost off, so might be related to the excess bass response you mentioned. But it packs a good punch with bass rolled off, nice chuggy kick to it. My rack on the other hand might be lacking a bit in bass so the cab compensates. But when I bumped into recording and amp channels on youtube lately, I was shocked to find that it seems like everybody hates 75 and it worked for me so well that I didn't consider getting rid of it. It worked pretty well in the mix when the other guitar was through rectifier stack, and the 75s were at the end of laney vh100r. In the end, all I can say is "if it was good enough for Eddie Van Halen, it's good enough for me". For your use I absolutely agree that it's not the speaker of choice.
Nice cameo appearance by Fricker..He likes it when you tell him to go eff himself 😂 Still not convinced of the G12 T75. Always fun and informative to see the comparison + the process. Is the pencil condenser padded? I wanted to try a KM but didn’t want to take a chance damaging a rented mic with high SPLs.
Really awesome video! I would be very happy if you checked out the Celestion Neo Creamback in another speaker comparison video! Amazing speaker that´s part of the Creamback family (In theory they are high-powered Greenbacks I believe but I could be wrong :P) and it´s a Neodymium-speaker like the Century Vintage you tried before. I use it in combination with a Vintage 30 in a 2x12 with great results but I´m planning on swapping the V30 for another Neo Creamback just because I love that speaker!
I can’t really speak to micing these, I’ve only done a very minimal amount with an archon 25 which is open back with that speaker. But using an e609 and sm57 blend it sounded pretty good with minimal BS involved. Distorted or clean. For live/room sounds I was finding my 5150iii cab with the g12evh was way too dark and I was having to crank the presence on any amp to get some high end. So I took two speakers from both my 5150iii cab and 1960a cab and now both have a mix of two 75s and two EVHs each and they sound awesome. Each speaker kind of fills in the weak points of the other one, I dig it. Finding my amp controls are a lot more usable and effective now too. However overall I think the 75s take a lot better to el34 amps in general versus 6l6 amps. Using my 50w 5150iii el34 or my TSL with the 75s sounds awesome. My 6l6 amps still sound really good with the 75s but not as good as the el34 amps.
Great video! Yeah, the 75 is more dark and less clear compared to the V30. Maybe a treble/mid boost on the amp would be more fair for direct comparison, but there's no doubt that the V30 is just such a great speaker for recording! So much agree with you, but my two cents defending the 75'er is in live situations where many amps with V30's or other aggresive speakers can be too ear piercing. As a live sound engineer in small venues, the best way to achieve good guitar tone is to become friends with the guitarists, so you can turn down the treble/presence knobs on their amps. Many PA speakers are also very sensitive in the 2k-4k range with their horn tweeters, where the mic'd up 75'er will sound better than a more aggresive speaker. I personly like the Eminence V12, which is balanced, more mellow than the V30, but still alot clearer than the 75 for recording :)
I know a lot of people hate them but I’ve gotten some great tones from the T75. After trying out a lot of mics, I almost always use an e906 with the low cut and an inexpensive AKG P170 pencil condenser. Occasionally I’ll throw in a large diaphragm condenser and only “add/keep” certain frequencies 🤘🏻
You were speaking about phase tuning frequencies.... I’ve done this by placing a sonic maximizer in the FX loop of a thin sounding amp to bring out more chunk. Maybe stupid but it seems to work.
I love my 94 jcm900 cab that's loaded with 4 g12t-75's! I've always felt it never sounded quite right with a lone 57 though so its always miced up with some kind of SDC
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I can tell other differences as well, but did you account for sensitivity differences between the 75 and the V30. Seems like a louder speaker will also sound better.
By themselves I’ve never liked em much. But at the same time I don’t care much for straight V30 loaded(Mesa version anyways) either. But somethin magical happened when I mixed those two together. 🤘🤘🤘🤘
I found an easier trick with G12T75s: turn the EQ knobs on the amp to max mids and zero bass and treble as a starting point, and tweak from there. My some of the first times I played Marshalls were through those speakers, and I loved the bark I got through them, never could get that from a V30 (those are for slicing through the mix and eardrums, and only that, IMO :-D). It's not my absolute favourite speaker, but if I was given a choice of a backline, and was told either Marshall cab with 75s or V30s, I'm going for the 75s hands down. Other pros of 75s are that they are lighter (3.3kg / speaker, in a 4x12 that's 6kg less than V30s!), and 97db rating, vs 100 of V30, let's you turn the power amp closer to the sweet spot; that's how you also negate the mid scoop, the more power section is compressing the more forward mids are.
I have a 2002 Marshall 1960 cab, which I pair with a 98 Crate Red Voodoo cab with V30s. Both cabs are with UK speakers. The full stack sounds great together, the Crate is the straigth bottom cab and the Marshall is the A version on top.
use both. G12-T75 for effects and panned reverb. Or use G12-T75 during verses and V30 during choruses. Relying on 1 speaker for all sounds is not necessary. You got 2 or 4 speakers in a cab. use them. For panned double tracking try both.
I actually have a good experience with them. It's more of a live sound but I have a Peavey 5150 straight cab with two 75s (from the 90s) and two English made v30s in a x pattern. It's sounds really good in a room. I've never had just the 75s mic ed up for live or recording. Only the 30s but it really the mix of the speakers is balanced and full when right in front of you.
I have a pair of G12s in a 4x12 cab with the bottom two mounts left open. I love them! They roll the fizz and brittleness off of certain amps and give a really solid punchy sound. I don't care for V30s at all. They're so thin and fizzy sounding in most applications I have to roll off the treble and presence just so they don't pierce holes in me.
What's your G12T-75 experience? Are you cursed too?
Hatte mal vor 15 Jahren ca. eine Marshall 412 mit den Dingern. Klang im Raum mit einem 5105 ganz gut (fand ich damals) aber nur mit GANZ speziellen Einstellungen.
Trash. V30 💪💪💪🍕💳💳❤️
I’ve seen people speculate that on From Mars to Sirius by Gojira, they used a Marshall 1960 cab with G12T-75s and that album sounds larger than life as a whole. I’d like to know people’s opinions on whether they think it’s true.
I had an old JCM800 cab with old ones, it sounded pretty good.
I was totally cursed when I was having my first experiences with the G12T75. I was looking for my first real tube head... and because of the G12T75 I thought that all the new marshalls of that time (JCM2000s) would suck. I hated it. Found out later that every store where I went paired it with the standard 1960. Quite a few years later I tried the DSL50 through a greenback cab and that made me realise how huge the differences between speakers/cabs are! Love the DSLs now and I'm quite sure I'll get one at some point. It's standard cab is just the worst possible combination imo. :D
PS: Love grandma's guest appearance!
"Someone playing guitar in the swamp next door" - So, the G12T-75 being the official SHREK speaker: confirmed
The original "Swamp Thang"? Heh hehe!
I actually like those speakers more than the V-30. It’s fuller sounding.
Just EQ your amp differently. Turn the lows down, etc.
I have a very bright Marshall,, and V-30s are harsh sounding.
thats why marshall chose the 75s during that era , to tame bright mid focused amps . one of my fav tones is a gt75 2x12 with a jvm . they fit perfectly
Agreed
Agreed too
Agreed too, too
@@AlistairMaxwell77 yes, my jvm sounds amazing through the 1960 b I recently bought. My peavey 5150 sounds great through it as well
If I'm not mistaken the g12t-75 was used on some of the early metallica albums. And that's some of the most iconic guitar tones ever.
Slayer also used them a bunch
that’s because the modern g12t-75’s are completely different than the 80’s variant, which is super sought out for. Kurt Cobain was also known for using 80’s 12T-75’s during the nevermind tour, they’re pretty great sounding speakers for live performances because they saturate really well at high volumes.
From what I heard they used G12-65s.
The early vented magnet G12T-75 speakers were just G12-65 speakers albeit with a kapton voice coil instead of a fiberglass voice coil. It was Celestion's approach to enhancing the G12-65 for high-gain usage.
Due to that difference in voice coil, they sounded brighter and more mid-scooped than the G12-65. Rest assured, they were good-sounding speakers, and they sounded nothing like these crappy new G12T75 speakers.
If you want a modern alternative to those old vented magnet G12T75 speakers get yourself the WGS ET65 speakers. They are accidental clones of the old vented magnet G12T75.
What WGS tried to do with the ET65 was to make a speaker that will be an enhanced take on the G12-65. However, while doing so due to some strange coincidence they ended up doing the exact things that Celestion did while making the original vented magnet G12T75 speakers. They too just cloned the G12-65 and put a kapton voice coil in it, effectively re-creating the old vented magnet G12T75.
@@TheNocturnalEvilwhat you say rings true to alot of trial and error and dialing in an 80s thrash tone on the et65, was using the standard celestion creambacks untill I put an et65 in a katana and was blown away by the raw thrashy tight tones I could get, really screamed kill em all and slayer, now all my speakers in my cabs and setups are all wgs et 65, such a kick ass speaker for 80s metal.
I personally like the 75 a lot. You can always turn your mids/treble up on your amp. 75 for practice/pleasure V30 for recording!
i do exactly the same, my live cab has 2x75 and 2x ashdown speakers (though i plan on changing the ashdown ones to either dv-77 or v30's or something along that line) and my recording cab has 2xv30's
The irony behind the fact that Kohle used to hate T75s but his tone on them is just about better than every speaker he’s tried on this channel. Listen to how defined and firm the low strings sound-His V30 tones are never that precise and firm on the bottom
Anyways, it’s fair that one may not like recording with T75s, but they sure as hell are one of the speakers for live playing. They have a really fun “play” about them because they respond very fast and have a lot of snap. they can open up the top-end on a dark, compressed amp and make sure the low end doesn’t get mushy
The hate on T75 is internet bandwagon. Those are great speakers. They are especially good for M style amps.
The T75 4x12 I'd my 2nd favorite cab sim for high gain tones. So much sparkle and clarity
And in the next episode of "Pointless Sound Engineer Challenges", Kohle will get a usable metal sound from a Mesa Cab Clone.
I'd pay to see that..lol
Haha!
You can use custom IR in the updated cab clone ;-)
@spectresoundstudios GLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!
i mean it definitely isn't the best, but... I feel like you could turn up the treble and mids slightly on the amp, or use a multiband EQ. just to compensate idk.
That's exactly how you do it.
I read the title... I hear you say the damn 75 destroyed your producer childhood... I remember my own beginnings...Tears are in my eyes... I start typing a comment: "I love your videos so much... You are like the anti-Glenn Fricker...", and then he appears in front of me to haunt me again... God must really fucking hate ma and he's laughing his ass off right now.
BTW, I love the sounds you got out of the 75.
Haha! Sorry for that!
But it’s good to have Glenn ready in case something needs to be smashed! 🤪
I ADORE G12 T-75s. They sound weird in contrast to other more “conventional” speakers, but I think they really smooth out certain amps, 5150s in particular.
The 5150 in combination with the V30 has too much damn midrange and a T75 puts a kind of smiley face eq curve on it which makes it more playable IMO.
They sound kind of crappy on their own, but can add a great flavor in a mix. Especially amongst a sea of V30s which fucking everyone uses.
That's the thing, we should never forget that the G12T-75 was made for overly middy amps. A more linear or scooped amp can't make it sound good so easily.
@@riangarianga They are beautiful for replacing the horn-sounding Eminence speakers in a Music Man amp. Completely change the character by taming the insane midrange profile.
Probably the same reason why I like my 75s with my VH100R
I'm running an early signature 5150 through a 1960A cab with UK made stock G12T-75s. It sounds like what I would imagine the gates of heaven opening sounds like.
Agree. After Long search and countless hours testing, i went with slanted Warp7 Cabinet loaded with 4 old school and used G12T75 , for my 5150. I never came back. I love My T75's.
I've got G12T-75's in a Marshall Bi-Chorus 200 combo. I've had that amp for about 17 years. It sounds great on things I use it for and I don't have the problems you describe with low end loading because the Marshall has an open back. Those speakers shine in that amp. Worked for Prong. And Glen's bit was hilarious.
I don't know, to me the T75 in this instance actually sounds a lot more evil and ominous, like a the undead crawling out of a swamp (like you said) whereas the V30 almost has an upbeat, cheerful character. Like Dimebag is about to jump out playing a bouncy pogo dance rhythm, when the T75 is like a woeful black metal siren call from a distant icy mountain of doom.
Don't get me wrong, the T75 sounds bad, but maybe in a good way?
There's always something beautiful to find even in the most dark and ugly places.
I agree this can be the right tone, but it's very niche.
@@KohleAudioKult When I was a kid, I used to play guitar through a casette-radio with a knife stabbed speaker. That was a niche sound too.
Stock I find the t75 sounds pretty good blended with something mid forward like a v30, It extends the low and high end and darkens up the sound in a kind of pleasant way
I like the G12T-75 in a Marshall Cab combined with the Vintage 30. This isn't a bad speaker 😁👍
Never found a better speaker for rehearsing in metal band situation. I don't know maybe it's just my ears though!
It’s a better live than miked!
@@KohleAudioKult I've miked it up in gigs many times and it delivered but I guess in recording it's a different world all together.
I had a Valvestate with that speaker and it sucked...
Well, at least at my ears...
Thrash'n'beer from Portugal 🍺🤘
@@portuguesebeer5069 well everyone has different ears. I also own a 8240 combo and love it. It's up to taste as everything is eventually.
@@KOSTAS84
Yes! Nothing bad in having different oppinions!
Cheers my friend 🍺🍺
Excellent vid. Have used the famous “75s” in most of my cabs for my 30 years of playing. Sounds great to me. Works best in open back cabs IMO. Depends a lot of what you put in front of it I guess.
Actually i really like how a G12-T75 sounds in the room and on many recording but its a pain in the ass to mic speaker. I never managed to mic one to my liking myself :D
But when they are well recorded i really like them...i mean come on just think about - Mellon Collie & the Infinite Sadness for example...or Nevermore - Dead Heart in a Dead World.
I think the G12T-75 is meant to be a workhorse. Live shows and loudness.
But yeah that sticker label is pretty lame
I almost agree with you with the 75 being "weird" for recording. But for live, they're the BEST!!! I love the 1960 Marshall cabs for playing live. I've never heard myself so clearly on stage, until I played through these speakers. I can be pretty quiet, not annoy the soundguy, and yet still hear myself crystal clear. The first time i played through a mesa v30 cab live in a 500 capacity venue, i couldn't hear myself at all. I even got an offer for a cab with the t75s way beyond the real value of the cab in the same venue. I also really like them when i do sound in smaller rooms. Outside, i miss the bite of the brighter speakers, but inside, in a small room, i can perfectly control the amount of high end, so that the vocals stay bright, and crystal clear above the mix. The t75 is the best rehearsal room/live speaker period. Else they wouldnt've made so many of them.
Many people say, those speakers are great live. At least that means they have their place!
This. I've been a gb and v30 guy all life, but hell, when you are in a guitar duo and play heavy music, you just can't hear yourself if the other guy plays a t75 loaded cab, especially if his amp is a bright one. V30s are great, direct, articulate and tight, but dealing with t75s is a nightmare. And don't have me talk about classic leads.
Well, the everlasting reign of terror is finally over, people are opening their minds accepting there are other speakers out there that might even sound better than the V30, or at least sound different, which is something we really need after 30+ years of V30 , let's be creative people! Plus remember cabs/speakers/IRs are 80% of your guitar tones, so let's just try to sound "fresh"! GG Khole!
I thought i was the only one who doesnt like the V30, also not a fan of the 75. I do like the Eminence Swamp thang and Celestion creamback 65. (edit) The g12evh are awesome, the only faithful repro of the classic greenback and far superior to the made in china greenbacks.
@@drew5400 it's not that I don't like V30s, they sound good in their way, but they're not the only speakers ever made, even though the last 30 years of metal recordings apparently disagree... that's the only issue I got with them, I'm just tired of hearing the same guitar tones over and over, 5150 + mesa oversized cab + 57s....I think we can do better nowadays, and Kohle here's making a point on that :)
I hate the V30, at least as a stand alone speaker.
Celestion Classic Lead 80
I hate to say this but I prefer the original sound 😅 whatever floats your boat.
it's a mixed bag for me -- I've gotten both good and bad results on
different occasions
I did as well. I think the V30s are probably good at cutting through a mix (or whatever the phrase is) but they sound super thin, brittle and harsh to my ears. (listening through a crown power amp and a nice little pair of Wharfdales. Nothing fancy but not my iphone either)
The Celestion G12T-75 is actually one of my favorite speakers, along with the Celestion Seventy-80
I have a Marshall 212 with the Seventy-80s and I hate them. They seem really bright and just not very defined. Do they sound better after a break in period? They’re a few months old currently.
@@MJPGuitar how many hours have you put into them? In total amount of hours, should be several days of playing to break them in. If you’ve played for not long at all, like, maybe six hours total over the span of two weeks, they’re gonna sound like that
Please tell me how you get them to sound good? I have a Marshall 2x12 with the 70/80s in it and I can’t find a good tone out of them.
@@tsbdgaming69s96 in total they have maybe 3 hours into them.
@@MJPGuitar yeah, definitely keep breaking into it. All speakers sound like crap when first starting out, but afterwards, maybe like a couple days worth, it’ll sound awesome
You are very creative for improving that speakers tone.
Right now I have to deal with using a smashed iphone to record, and I'm slowly learning every tonal flaw that it has. I'll be an amazing engineer by the time I get a mic.
*sees title* Flemming Rasmussen would like to know your location.
We've already met!
The original vented white label 75s from the mid 80s ( if you can find them) are excellent. They sounded nothing like the ones from the 90s!
Yup...I was told they were just relabeled G-65's with more power handling.
@@wakjob961 would explain why the ones in my jcm800 cab sound so different from modern 1960b cabs. the date code on the speakers is from 1983.
As someone that lives in the swamp, all speakers sound like they being played through the swamp next door to my neighbors.
😂😜
75s are great. classic 80s/90s tones. scooped mid range is awesome . less mids . more gain . Florida Death Metal for ever . getting tired of these impulse response fake amp fake drum nu metal trash . everything sounds exactly the same.
Same.
This is stupid. If your tone is a fuzzed out cheese grater lowered by an octave, then what are you complaining about?
The 75 is a great speaker.
He's not even tuned that low lol
Wtf. Fanboys...
Found the angry boomer. Go play your grandpa guitars
@@toddclorox2855. Genx’r here. You dern whippersnapper.
Now get off my lawn and slow down. Lol.
@@loeffel999. Eh, only because the 75 was loaded in billions of JCM800 cabs. It’s the sound of the 80’s.
Honestly I prefer the Vintage 30 over any celestion speaker, even the greenbacks. The mid punch is better.
I also hated that speaker for most of my guitar life (16 years) but now I like it!
I use it in a Marshall 4x12 1960B cab: 2 V30 speakers + 2 G12T-75 speakers in X-pattern.
That combination is so great!
I have to try that
I like the celestion g12t75's. Just need to right amp with it ect
The good tone is because the socks man. Now, seriously this video series is the only way that i have for learning all about the different speaker models. Great video! 🍻
10:05 Holy shit there's a ghost in the back window!
I was surprised too!
That‘s Glenn Fricker waving outside to get let back in.
It’s a tree branch
I think it's the ghost of a plant swaying in the wind
I haven’t played these speakers in years. And my taste as surely changed since I was in a metal band playing through a Marshall 1960B loaded with g12t-75s. However, I always liked how they sounded. They seemed to remove some mids, so I always had my mids higher than most metal dudes. I also found that pulling my main crunch overdrive to just enough to hit pinch harmonics, and then cranking the volume into the sweet spot where the cab and speakers sounded like they opened up, but not quite loud enough to get muddy-the speakers worked for me. I think. And of course, that was just to my ears and in rehearsal.
I would die to spend just a day at your studio. Dam, I feel like I would learn so much about getting great tone and good beer XD
I have been using 1960A and 1960B all my life, yes they fuzzy sound and very glassy but I love it .
I mix 2 v30’s and 2 t75’s in a Marshall cab and dig the sound :)
I want to do the same in my Engl v30 pro 4x12 - you should get a nice dynamic pallet of tones combining those 2 speakers in X pattern
@@vanespedals1023 You should easily find someone for a trade. v30 x G12T75 is a popular combo and cabs mostly come with only one type of speaker. I did this too.
Excellent combo for metal tonz 🤘🤘
I have two WGS Veteran 30s and along with two T75s in my 1960: I love it.
Congrats, you got really great tones in the end. Seems really tough to record well. But I actually like my g12t75 for practicing (in a slightly oversized 1x12 open back) as it gives a bigger sound than other Celestions with more manageable highs at moderate volume. But when I tried to record it, it sounded really bad (probably also due to my lack of skills in recording cabs...). So for me it is a great live speaker but a difficult one to record..
For the G12-T75s they aren't like a Vintage vs Greenback which is mostly down to personal taste, G12s are a different beast and you have to tweak the amp to accommodate for it and they can sound very good when done right.
Yup.....I use an EVH 5150 Iconic head with a Marshal 1960A cab with 75's. Sounds beastly.
There are many many speakers and cab configurations that I personally would never buy due to lack of cash, but have a great tonal character in their own way IMO.I bought my first set of Celestions 10yrs ago. 4 G12T-75s and rebuilt my year 2000 homemade 4×12 into a hodge podge of solid maple sides and 7ply birch front/back. I've owned probably more than a dozen amps, played maybe a hundred more through it, and I have never not been able to at least dial in a tone I could live with on each and every amplifier that's pushed it's output transformers&valves through. The Lynchback, G12 EVH, and Classic Lead 80 are the only others I can say the same for. If you're after one and only one particular tone in such a focused area of frequencies, along with a similar gain structure throughout, you're always going to think the V-30 is the holy grail of guitar cabs. I'll retain my personal opinion of that speaker to myself, just keep in mind that there's one trick ponies, that (no disrespect) do their tricks about as good as it gets.. and there's guitar drivers capable of covering a broad enough part of the spectrum, they fit just fine the parameters of ever changing and evolving tastes, and tonal prefrences.
Back in the day we had a G12T-75 loaded Marshall 1960A cab in the rehearsal room that I had the bad fortune to use. For years I struggled with a good tone that could also be heard in the full mix. I just didn't understand it. Then one day at a gig, I had the opportunity to use a V30 loaded Orange PPC412 and HOLY SHIT did everything suddenly make sense to me. That was the day I learned cabs matter. I don't think I ever plugged into the Marshall cab again.
Funny how it was the other way around with me. :D I had a PPC412 with V30 that I didn't like at all. Only after I got a 1960B with G12T75 a was happy with my tone. Guess it's all a matter of taste.
WHat kind of music do you play?
@@EndHelicopterPilot WHat kind of music do you play?
@@kennethjolley Depends on the settings of the head and the TYPE of head used. I use an EVH 5150 Iconic head with a Marshall 1960A cab loaded with G12T-75'S and the rig sounds killer.
I kinda like the original sound myself, to be honest, but I can't express how great these videos are. I've learned so much from watching your speaker videos, so for this I thank you.
Glenn's appearance on the video made my day!
Question? Could you do a pickup comparison? With the new Adam Jones guitar he flipped the neck pickup. What happens when you flip pickups? Are we just stuck in a comfort zone where we have the pickups faced with the screw pieces away? I hope i am making sense
Are all Germans mad scientists?
Although, I quite like the 75, maybe I'm the mad one?
Fantastic. I assume that Andy Sneap did something similar for Nevermore's "Dead Heart in a Dead World". He said that they used a rectified with a Marshall 1960 cab with G12T-75 and two SM57 microphones.
I always figured this speaker would sound best using an MD-409. Maybe the e906 would sound cool?
It's kinda interesting how people right now are trying really hard to get Death's guitar tone with all the valvestate inspired gear coming out. Yet everyone still professes to hate T75s.
Literally every record by Death was recorded with them. Every record by bolt thrower was recorded with them. I mean EVERY one. Every single album.
I have to agree of course that V30s are much easier to record. If I was the person actually doing the recording of bands, I can see why the T75 is a nemesis of sorts.
When I was 16 my father bought me the Marshall VS100 and matching 4x12 cabs. Still have that stack to this day amongst tons of other acquired stuff. I also own an 8100 Valvestate Head and 2 Valvestate combos. The VS100 stack.......That head sounds terrible on any other cab besides the valvestate cabs however, I have used a few heads that sound beast af on those cabs. My Mesa single recto absolutely slays! So tight and focused and tames the boominess of the Mesa down. From someone who owns 2 4x12 cabs with those speakers and 2 combo's.......I absolutely contribute my signature sound to them and love them. I did an experiment and took the eminence legends out of my Vader 4x12 and put in the gt12t-75's and it is incredible with any head I put on it. The legends to me are just harsh and too barky sounding.
Sorry Kristian, you got it wrong. The worst celestion is the 70/80 sounds like a can full of bees
Agreed ! I'll take this over a 70/80 any day.
Damn! Really?
So, it gets worse?
Funny, I have one in my Tech 21 Trademark 60 and that thing sounds killer. I wouldn’t change it. Maybe it just suits that particular amp
@@rustyfuzz470 maybe its custom voiced?
Great video. I could watch/listen to speaker videos all day!!!
I kinda dig the fuzzy "chomp" of the T75.
Maybe if it in a combination with a middy speaker like the G12H75 Greenback, it would be a nice thick, White Zombie-like groove metal tone.
The first thing i thought when i heard the first part was that does not sound like a g12t-75 it does not have that upper mid character especially recorded, the phase thing made it make alot of sense .
worst speaker of all time ?
haha, that´s why all these metal bands use this speaker, at least live, where I have seen
them use a Marshall 1960 Lead A or B:
Obituary, Hatebreed, Dying fetus, Dr. Living dead, Power trip, Suicidial Angels, Terror,
Tankard, Gruesome, DRI, Morgoth, .....
and Metallica are said to have used it in the studio for the recording of Master of puppets .(there are endless discussions what gear Metallica have used on their first LPs, but with the gear for Master most "experts" are quite sure)
all these bands mentioned are old school thrash and Death metal bands, that is my taste of music, many bands use E or D - Standard. (Hatebreed and Dying fetus are lower).
maybe you like a different metal style (lower tunings) , where other speakers are better.
I know many local thrash bands, and nearly every one of them uses a Marshall 1960 A cab.
(they all play in E-Standard)
the slanted A cab is one the most sold 4x12 cabs in the world. (thomann says it is even the most sold)
when I compare in a shop the 1960 Lead A and the 1960 AV cab, the Lead wins way ahead.
the V30 has too many mids and sounds much thinner.
I do not like the speaker in a B cab, there it sounds too dark, no mids, even a little bit boxy, here I agree.
but in a slanted cab it has a different tone, even better mids than the V30 version.
maybe you have played this speaker in a B cab, then I agree with you.
maybe you use lower tunings, then even the slanted A cab might not the speaker for that sound.
But for old school thrash and Death metal in E (D-) Standard, it is the right speaker.
Not all Marshalls are loaded with 75s, and not all 75s are the same. Metallica used 65s. 75s are ESPECIALLY terrible for E standard thrash, at least in my experience.
Some of those bands are hardcore
I agree. These speakers are perfect for thrash and those old school 80’s metal. You don’t even have to dial in your tone they just already have that awesome frequency dialed in already. I play drop c with darker amps and it cleans up very well with these speakers.
I need to know: what does it sound like with a clean tone?
Early Meshuggah with their best tone was t75, Nevermore - DHIADW, Nightwish - Century Child, Exodus early 00s tone and etc. English made t75 such an awesome speaker, but chinese one... oof. Great Video, sir!
Also metallica i think the 75 was used on MOP and AJFA
@@gabihakler868 also statovarius/ children of bodom and a lot more.
@@ScrewDJ_McDuckyeah, i just ordered a pair of white lable 1987 t75s hope they sound good
The smashing pumpkins used them too on siamese dream and others
@@phantomflame0658 oh yea and famous Peter's Tagtegren tone from Hypocrisy and Abyss studio ( whole mainstream EU black metal scene since 90s till now ) is t75s afaik. To be honest by far best metal speaker.
Awesome video. This has become my favorite production channel! Prost!
Welcome! ❤️🍺
Funny, i hate those odd high mids of the vintage 30... sounds like "useless noisy frequency" to my ears...😅
I wonder if they sound good with both in a cab
Love your stuff Kohle! Are these IR’s part of one of your IR packs? Or can I get them somewhere as I’m watching this a couple years after it was made. Thank you.
This one never made it into any of my IR packs.
But just sign up to my email list. That’s where you find the free stuff.
G12T-75 Celestions are awesome. They are a great all around rock speaker.
What about the g12k100? You like it ? It’s an other g12 75 version with a different flavor
HAHAHAHA I CAN'T BELIVE HE ACTUALLY DID IT
I'm sure Kohle will hate this, but ANY Celestion can sound good with the right amp and pickup combo, that's the main reason they make such a variety.
I don’t hate this. But the amp and PU will have a minimal effect on what I’m showing in the video. I could have used any amp and any guitar.
At least if you are going for a high gain guitar tone.
@@KohleAudioKult Your last sentence covered my point.. Exactly that, not every amp/speaker/pickup is made for high gain, but they can sound good in other settings. Cheers!
@@KohleAudioKult What about making a video using an EVH 5150 Iconic head thru those speakers? I have a Marshall 2011 1960A cab, and I use the Iconic head at the full 80 watts, and the sound is killer !!!
"There`s the speaker I hate the most so I did some impulses for you!"
Now that`s the attitude lol
On a serious note though I want that impulse! But I`m never lucky
My favorite comment so far!
It's like this:
Once you have conquered your worst enemy, you wanna grill it and eat it with your friends.
@@KohleAudioKult glad you like it! Did I deserve to get the impulse out of turn? jk lol
@@KohleAudioKult sun zhu xD
I always loved the old G12T-75s for 80's style thrash rhythm tones, especially with a Marshall amp. But I honestly could never find a use for them when I switched back to a more bluesy rock style, and so I moved onto Vintage 30's first, before finally finding my favourite place with 70's Greenback and Blackback tones.
Do something with those Peavey Sheffield speakers. I have a 4x12 loaded with them and I can't tell if they fucking suck or not because I do plan to change them to V30s anyway. Thanks!
I can’t say about the 412 but the 112 Sheffield with my small tube Marshall they totally compliment each other
Horrible speakers in my opinion. Dark and harsh at the same time
@@okaight7248 they also feel really tight to play with compared to celestion speakers. It's crazy how much of a difference speakers can make.
I thought my RUclips subscriptions had melted when my thumbnail preview was showing Glenn instead of Kohle. 😆
Looking forward to your IR pack. You already have my soul. 🔥
I think the v30 would pair well with the T75.
They do
He had a video with that pairing, watched it today
They do they do 🤘
@@felinekaiju4517 Can you link it? Can't find it.
@@Qban220 I'll see if I can find it.
Hey Kristian, I love your channel and have learned a ton from you. I did have an observation on this video in particular though.
I noticed when you're adjusting phase on your microphones you're basically just using a line delay? I thought that phase is a combination of frequency and time; the frequencies you pickup change based on where the microphone is placed because different wavelengths travel at different speeds, so that has to be accounted for. If you delay a signal so that some peaks are matching, other frequencies will be out of phase. As the microphone moves around the vibrations hit it at very slightly different times, and that's why half an inch can be a huge difference in tone. It's the phase relationship between the different frequencies all competing as they come out of the speaker. If you just delay the track you're not able to manipulate that. Like matching two tracks up by moving one will only make it so that the peak that you matched with the other track is perfectly in phase, everything else is still off by some margin. Now everything will always be a little off, you can't get two totally different mics completely in phase, you can't even get two of the same mic perfectly in phase, but you can get closer using your ears and actually manipulating the microphones. One of my favorite things to do here is try to target high frequencies that I find undesirable and get it to phase out just using the mic placement. Unless you're already extremely close to being where you want, I find that actually moving the mic around while listening produces far superior result to delaying a track until they line up.
I’m doing both. I’m moving mics and I’m delaying mics. It’s a combination of both techniques.
And in the end it’s all about listening carefully and having a sonic vision. Not every technically “correct” combination also sounds great.
I wonder if Boss Metal Zone was designed to nail that T-75 sound. I totally get MZ vibe when i hear that speaker.
Oh yeah right. That used to be the dream-team back then in Scoopland!
@@KohleAudioKult MZ pedal is a$$ LOL
I don’t know, I did a V30 and 75 in a cross cross in my 4 x 12 and sounds pretty gnarly.
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My dear God, the 75 ruined my life! I had these speakers in my 1960A for more than 10 years. until I got my other two cabs with Greenbacks and V30’s and heard the bells finally coming. I never wanna play 75’s again in my life.
Why go through all that trouble. If it don't work for you try something else. The 75s were made to go with JCM 900 amps. They sound good with those amps which have a very bright and mid focused tone....hence why the 75 sounds they way it does.
You beat me to it! They're application specific and there's a reason they came in Marshall cabs. They also sound good with those modded Marshall plexi's everybody wanted back in the day That had a pronounced barking midrange.
i got 2 from a marshall MG soild state piece of Crap amp i got for 50 bucks on ebay, the amp would quit playing as a bad break in the solder board has a fan that puts out at least 5 watts...pile of Junk, I fixed my tube fender amp back up with a JBL d131 and Never looked at a Marshall again
Dunno why but somehow I feel happy for you man :D even tho g12t75 is one of my favourite speakers (I have one which sounds a lot better than yours, I was actually really surprised how dark sounding the original tone was). And as always, great sound, what you got from that beast ;)
Me da flojera traducirlo al inglés 😅 de todas formas aquí va mi experiencia.
El Fender Mustang 3 v2 que uso tiene un Celestion g12t 100. Y para nada me parece un mal speaker, yo lo uso para sonidos clean, y la dinámica que puedo obtener está bastante decente (considerando el precio del Mustang)
De ninguna manera me parece el peor speaker que hay.
Dude kohle this is the BEST tone I’ve heard you get to be honest..... not trolling I love how full it is
Thought the 70-80 was the worst speaker ever.
this is funny, this is great, splendid work
Please avoid Mr Fricker like the plague. This guy is so annoying. I came over here to escape his obnoxiousness.
Yes...
I wonder what kind of 75s the jcm900 cab I have has, but it never sound like that. Although the amps I played through never sounded like buzzsaw either, perhaps it's the wrong application. I found it was really easy to record with just slapping sm57 at the edge of the cone and it was a good starting point. I considered getting v30s many times because it's an industry standard since forever, but when I listened to comparisons, I always found the top end was uncomfortably bright, and the midrange of the 75 better. Perhaps v30 sits in the mix better, I'm rather amateur anyway, perhaps my gear was just a weird combination. One noticeable thing I tend to do though, with the Laney I always turn the bass almost off, so might be related to the excess bass response you mentioned. But it packs a good punch with bass rolled off, nice chuggy kick to it. My rack on the other hand might be lacking a bit in bass so the cab compensates.
But when I bumped into recording and amp channels on youtube lately, I was shocked to find that it seems like everybody hates 75 and it worked for me so well that I didn't consider getting rid of it. It worked pretty well in the mix when the other guitar was through rectifier stack, and the 75s were at the end of laney vh100r.
In the end, all I can say is "if it was good enough for Eddie Van Halen, it's good enough for me". For your use I absolutely agree that it's not the speaker of choice.
Sounds like you we’re somehow lucky! Caught the golden 75! 🤪❤️🍺
Nice cameo appearance by Fricker..He likes it when you tell him to go eff himself 😂 Still not convinced of the G12 T75. Always fun and informative to see the comparison + the process. Is the pencil condenser padded? I wanted to try a KM but didn’t want to take a chance damaging a rented mic with high SPLs.
Really awesome video!
I would be very happy if you checked out the Celestion Neo Creamback in another speaker comparison video! Amazing speaker that´s part of the Creamback family (In theory they are high-powered Greenbacks I believe but I could be wrong :P) and it´s a Neodymium-speaker like the Century Vintage you tried before. I use it in combination with a Vintage 30 in a 2x12 with great results but I´m planning on swapping the V30 for another Neo Creamback just because I love that speaker!
I can’t really speak to micing these, I’ve only done a very minimal amount with an archon 25 which is open back with that speaker. But using an e609 and sm57 blend it sounded pretty good with minimal BS involved. Distorted or clean. For live/room sounds I was finding my 5150iii cab with the g12evh was way too dark and I was having to crank the presence on any amp to get some high end. So I took two speakers from both my 5150iii cab and 1960a cab and now both have a mix of two 75s and two EVHs each and they sound awesome. Each speaker kind of fills in the weak points of the other one, I dig it. Finding my amp controls are a lot more usable and effective now too. However overall I think the 75s take a lot better to el34 amps in general versus 6l6 amps. Using my 50w 5150iii el34 or my TSL with the 75s sounds awesome. My 6l6 amps still sound really good with the 75s but not as good as the el34 amps.
Great video! Yeah, the 75 is more dark and less clear compared to the V30. Maybe a treble/mid boost on the amp would be more fair for direct comparison, but there's no doubt that the V30 is just such a great speaker for recording!
So much agree with you, but my two cents defending the 75'er is in live situations where many amps with V30's or other aggresive speakers can be too ear piercing. As a live sound engineer in small venues, the best way to achieve good guitar tone is to become friends with the guitarists, so you can turn down the treble/presence knobs on their amps. Many PA speakers are also very sensitive in the 2k-4k range with their horn tweeters, where the mic'd up 75'er will sound better than a more aggresive speaker.
I personly like the Eminence V12, which is balanced, more mellow than the V30, but still alot clearer than the 75 for recording :)
This is crazy that you dropped this video cause I've had this cab setup for years with the 75's in a mesa cab and its my favorite cab.
I know a lot of people hate them but I’ve gotten some great tones from the T75. After trying out a lot of mics, I almost always use an e906 with the low cut and an inexpensive AKG P170 pencil condenser. Occasionally I’ll throw in a large diaphragm condenser and only “add/keep” certain frequencies 🤘🏻
You were speaking about phase tuning frequencies.... I’ve done this by placing a sonic maximizer in the FX loop of a thin sounding amp to bring out more chunk. Maybe stupid but it seems to work.
I love my 94 jcm900 cab that's loaded with 4 g12t-75's! I've always felt it never sounded quite right with a lone 57 though so its always miced up with some kind of SDC
I’m thinking of combining two of these with V30s in my Marshall MX412AR. What do you think?
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Gibt es Tricks gegen geclippte Signale (bspw. Toms, etc?), ohne zu triggern?
RX8. Hab ich auch ein Video drüber gemacht. Wirkt Wunder!
I can tell other differences as well, but did you account for sensitivity differences between the 75 and the V30. Seems like a louder speaker will also sound better.
4:05 I think it sounds brilliant though. But your comments are very insightful! Love every video, man!
Always top notch content! Learning so much!
By themselves I’ve never liked em much. But at the same time I don’t care much for straight V30 loaded(Mesa version anyways) either.
But somethin magical happened when I mixed those two together. 🤘🤘🤘🤘
I found an easier trick with G12T75s: turn the EQ knobs on the amp to max mids and zero bass and treble as a starting point, and tweak from there. My some of the first times I played Marshalls were through those speakers, and I loved the bark I got through them, never could get that from a V30 (those are for slicing through the mix and eardrums, and only that, IMO :-D). It's not my absolute favourite speaker, but if I was given a choice of a backline, and was told either Marshall cab with 75s or V30s, I'm going for the 75s hands down. Other pros of 75s are that they are lighter (3.3kg / speaker, in a 4x12 that's 6kg less than V30s!), and 97db rating, vs 100 of V30, let's you turn the power amp closer to the sweet spot; that's how you also negate the mid scoop, the more power section is compressing the more forward mids are.
What pickups are you using?
a 4x12 with g12t-75 and green back would sound cool. Greenbacks for the low end, and g12t-75 for the high.
I did this to my Marshall 1960a. its amazing now. sounds a lot less "directional" and now sounds more "open/clear".
I have a 2002 Marshall 1960 cab, which I pair with a 98 Crate Red Voodoo cab with V30s. Both cabs are with UK speakers. The full stack sounds great together, the Crate is the straigth bottom cab and the Marshall is the A version on top.
use both. G12-T75 for effects and panned reverb. Or use G12-T75 during verses and V30 during choruses. Relying on 1 speaker for all sounds is not necessary. You got 2 or 4 speakers in a cab. use them. For panned double tracking try both.
I actually have a good experience with them. It's more of a live sound but I have a Peavey 5150 straight cab with two 75s (from the 90s) and two English made v30s in a x pattern. It's sounds really good in a room. I've never had just the 75s mic ed up for live or recording. Only the 30s but it really the mix of the speakers is balanced and full when right in front of you.
"Big German Weenie" I fucking lost it XD Gotta love Glenn!
I have a pair of G12s in a 4x12 cab with the bottom two mounts left open. I love them! They roll the fizz and brittleness off of certain amps and give a really solid punchy sound. I don't care for V30s at all. They're so thin and fizzy sounding in most applications I have to roll off the treble and presence just so they don't pierce holes in me.