SICK METAL TONES you have NEVER HEARD BEFORE!
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2022
- German producer Kristian Kohle (Aborted, Powerwolf, Eskimo Callboy, Hämatom, Van Canto, Emil Bulls) has returned to show you two guitar speakers you probably have never heard in a High Gain / metal context! So let's find out how both the CELESTION BLUE and the TONESPEAK MANCHESTER perform! CHUGGA, CHUGGA!
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Which speaker / blend is your favorite? Which other speakers should I test?
I use Fame cab 4x10 and I don't give a F. What another people things about
I liked both combos and I want IRs of both! 😃🤘
I dig the WGS Retro 30 and Reaper
Have you ever tried the Hesu Demon speakers?
Man V30 always works, usually is my go to speaker. If you can, Voghan speakers are nice, Eld Power classic 30 is cool too. I also like BGT Speakers and Nordik. Those are all brazilian speakers. Not sure if you'll find those easily, but if you can, totally worth to check those out.
You're doing an important job in metal right now: showing people that it's okay to experiment and that not every record has to use the same 3 (more like ONE) speaker. These sounded so good. Wasn't huge on the Tonespeak. Cannot wait to hear more non typical speakers used in metal context.
Thanks! 🤘 Stay tuned, there’ll be a lot more videos coming!
@KohleAudioKult, did you try the other speakers from tonespeak yet?
that blended Dv-77/Celestion Blue tone is fucking brutally beautiful.
I can't believe how good the Blue sounded on it's own, then blended......wow. Both blends had their own vibe and would work so well in a mix. Amazing info again Kristian -- thanks!
The Blue is the first purpose-built bespoke guitar speaker, and I really think they nailed it on the first go!
Love these videos! Thank you Kohle! I really liked the blend with the blue. Really appreciate you bringing us all these new ideas!
Man both of those combinations sound sweet! Really loved the results! You are the tone King brother! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🔥🔥
Very informative as always. Thank you brother!
Awesome video!! I liked both combinations. Hard choice there lol. And I definitely want the 4x12 shoot out!!
Love your videos, you always stand out from the crowd with your unique but still metal videos, this was very interesting. Thanks.
Thanks a lot!
Love this. Love that you add reverb and delay for the us folks that are into that stuff. Some speakers fart out bad with reverb and delay.
That's such a nice combo.
That blue has such a nice, clarity to it.
Grandma is going to have an eargasm over this one Kohle!
Awesome video!
Great comparison! Really surprising and very informative! Thanks a lot! 🤘🙃 I like the blue very much!
Stay tuned for some IRs!
You are full of surprises , cool sound!
The blue is a real sleeper. My mix at the minute is a Jensen Electric Lightning and a Seventy 80. The Seventy 80 is very similar to that Manchester, massive dust cap and scoopy so by itself its rather flat but the Jensen fills the mids out.
These tones are great. Cool to see more speakers that very few people have heard with metal. I'd love to see a 4x12 shootout too
really enjoyed the clarity of the blue and in combination it was brutal! both sets were good and ever classic it depends on the band/genre. I would pick blue combo as my tone though.
Guess it is time to go shopping - again 😅
Those speaker combinations videos of yours (especially with the less known speakers) are some of the most inspiring and most informative out there regarding finding your very own tone 👌
Great to hear that! Thanks!
I never knew how much the speakers/cab matter in your overall tone, your videos have melted my metalhead guitarist brain, thanks!!
Absolutely! The speaker defines the tone the most!
I'm only a minute or so in, but I just have to say how happy I am that you're doing this. I've been running a 1960's Vox Blueback with a Celestion Goldback since the early 90's.
I've managed to get a sound that I was very happy with both dirty and clean, I'm looking forward to this video
I went through a phase where I tried piles of old HIFI speakers from the 50s through the 80s with a few of my amps and they all surprised me. Some lacked bottom end and others could be harsh but most ALNICO speakers sounded fantastic. I blew up a pair of old gold framed "Roger Charles" ALNICO speakers because I got wrapped up in how GREAT they sounded.lol
Man this guitar sounds great! Really cool sound!
Kristian Kohle. your the true inspiration behind myself loading my 4x12 cabs in my studio with a few select choice speakers. Such as the Eminence DV-77's into a straight front 5150 cab from the early 90's, Vintage 30's into my Marshall 1960A cab and a combination of Eminence Swamp Things and Texas Heats into a Mesa clone cab.Your video's have been invaluable to me but also draining my bank account, lol!!! Keep doing what your doing brother, you ROCK!!!!
Great to hear I could inspire you! 🤘❤️
Awesome, the Blue is my favorite speaker, at least from IRs because I haven't played a real one yet. Nice to see you like it too. I would love to get my hands on your IRs hehe. Also 4x12 shootout sounds fun!
Well that just made me want to buy speakers , as always a convincing argument to experiment which is excellent love your channel Christian K🤘🤘 .
Still loving that pure DV-77, but combined with the Manchester it does cut your face up pretty gnarly!😎 I definitely wanna see that cab shootout!
Yes! I use blues and silvers IR’s in an AC-30 model (HX Stomp) as my main heavy sound. Great stuff, as always! 🤘🏻
…I use your DV-77 IR all the time too. I love double tracking with both, my Engl patch even has 60’s silvers mixed with the DV-77. Killer!
Yes! On the cab shootout! I love speakers too! And I am a drummer!
I loved the old Jensens for industrial metal.
That was a nice combo.
I ordered two Jensen Nighthawks and two Tonespeak Manchester for a 4x12 project. I really liked the sound of these speakers.
Love the DV77 IR pack. Been on it since it came out. Great shit.
Thanks! Gotta do an update sooner or later!
Really liking that Celestion Blue!
Awesome video, I like the Manchester speaker quite well!
You should try out the new Eminence Retro series speakers, would be interesting if the new budget line is any good for metal, especially as speakers are getting more and more expansive these days.
I’ll check them out!
The Vintage 30 was originally based off old Celestion Blue speakers. That's probably why it works so well for metal!
Been using Eminence for quite some time. I have their Ragin Cajuns on both my ported Happy Cabs 2x10s. I also have one of their 1x12s and ordered the 1290 last weekend. (I currently have a Texas Heat, but a little too dark for my taste) I also saw Tonespeak at NAMM and wanted to give them a shot, considering two of the founders came from Eminence. The 77 and 1290 combo sounds really good!
I always wanted to try an Alnico Blue in my amp. I KNEW it could sound great! Also, the DV and Manchester combo sounds evil! Amazing job
I agree! I forgot to use the word “brootal” for that blend!
@@KohleAudioKult did you make an IR of the blue that we can purchase?
Blue sounds great!
Wooooh. Never heard a blue like that probably because they're always in open back cabs. Amazing stuff!
Same here!
I really enjoy that you take the time to demo so many speakers for us. I've fallen down that rabbit hole and am really excited to have discovered new sounds. Having only played the Celestion V30 and G12T-75 for years, I found I really prefer what Eminence makes, but that there are loads of other cool Celestion's to choose from.
I hear Fryette cabs are using Fane speakers. Any chance you can check out some of those?
Thanks!
I have used the Fane 70 in a few videos already.
When my academy launches in October, there will also be a live recording documentary feat. that speaker in a 4x12
Actually, they are using both Fanes and Eminences: the P50E is Eminence OEM for Fryette, and for the past years, P50Es in a Fat Bottom 4x12 are my favourite setup for my own tone. I'd be interested in Kohle's opinion on that cab (it's also front-loaded btw) & speaker too. I'm also eagerly waiting for someone to capture IRs of P50Es in a FB 2x12 (if interested, make sure to express interest to Justin York, I know he used to have one about a year ago).
A plexi through an 8x12 with blues is an incredible sound. They got it right the first time.
I tried a lot vintage Rola Celestions. I particularly like the G12-80, both the 1777 and 444 cone version. They sound great with high gain, but clean they're good too.
The other guitarist from my old band has a Mills oversized 4x12 loaded with these, and it slays with his Diezel Herbert. The G12-65s are great, too.
I need a 4x12 shootout. What I really would be interested in would be to see what 4 speakers you would put in a random 4x12 cab to cover as much metal ground as possible, if you already have an oversized Mesa with v30's.
Good idea!
Have to admit, that blue speaker blew me away!! But realistically it makes sense, I've always loved the staple pickup in a 50s LP custom which is Alnico as well.
DV77 is my favorite speaker too. Ive been blending it the past year with my vm1265, and its my favorite speaker blend. The DV77 I find is tighter than a V30 and doesnt have that harshness the V30 has. I will say while the DV77 is mid focused, its also scooped where it needs to be, in the honkey low mids. Makes it just fit in a mix so well.
Absolutely! The other one is the Omega speaker, right?
@@KohleAudioKult yeah, that's the omega speaker, also made by eminence. That one is like a modern, more refined v30, and I like it blended with the dv77 because it gives it an extra bit of cut. Would highly recommend checking that out.
That tonespeak/DV77 mix was WOOO-WEEEEE
Alnico Blue is THE guitar speaker! Great to hear it at your channel!
The Anniversary G12H should be similar sounded and is significant cheaper (in case you need a few for these 4x12" ;-)) - would be GREAT if you could do a comparison if the higher cost of the Blue is worth it!
Nice vid! Eminence Private Jack sounds good for high gain and then you blend a mid focused speaker and sounds brutall
Have you tried one of the speakers Crate used to put in their combo amps in the 90's? I believe they are 80 watt speakers. I got 2 of them and they are bright, but very smooth in the highs. I'm sure you can find a Crate G80XL combo amp somewhere for like 50 bucks and the speaker is very useful!
The Silver Series speakers?
The voice of the Blue is what got me so excited for Eminence version when it came out, which also comes at a higher power handling. It's a great voice(either manufacturer) to play with really touch sensitive amps.
Which Eminence speaker do you mean?
@@KohleAudioKult The Eminence Red Fang. It has a little less chime but definitely in the ballpark
Can't watch the entire video right now but this will be amazing as all the guitar tone videos.
Btw the DV77 IRs are fantastic so nothing about arrogance imo. The linear DV77 IR is my go to IR when creating new tones!
Great to hear that! Thank you! 🤘❤️
Rock on brother! That's the message everyone new to their instrument needs to hear. Sure it's good to have inspiration from a few of your favorites, but everyone should try a bunch of diff things to find the sound that is perfect for them! Too many people try to match the tone of their idols instead of creating a whole new tone that will then inspire the next generation!
So many options people don’t even think about. Try everything keep what works 🤘🏽
Ive been using the ruby red IR's and the blue in my torpedo cab m+. My go to now is your DV-77 impulse ;) just incredible! I do a video over them in my cab m + video, but I also show them in my newer vid with the free IR shootout. Would be awesome if you checked em out :D please excuse my bad playing lol
Thanks!
Link to the videos?
@@KohleAudioKult Thank you! Sorry I am slow lol. ruclips.net/video/_VEva0FCToM/видео.html & this (: ruclips.net/video/4k7pX6Az4rc/видео.html
I looooooove the way the blue sounds
WOW - the Blue Alnico indeed is great! Knew it ;-)
The Hesu Demon and the Warehouse Reaper are a couple speakers I would love to hear in that cab.
Same.
more speakers Christian! moarr
I actually use an Alnico Cream in my Sunn Model T50C. Couldn’t be happier!
EMINENCE DV-77 + CELESTION BLUE. I have been a huge fan of the AlNiCo BLUE for since 1964. Yes... I've been playing that long. Longer! 63 years. For me Celestion G12M-25s and Blues are IT for me. But HEY! I'm an old guy with two 1964 Vox AC30TBs and two 1965 Vox AC30TBs plus a few '60s Marshalls, Hiwatts and Fenders. I use EVM-12L speakers in a 1974 1960a with the Hiwatts. I like my OX BOX as well.
Awesome video! I got some goldbacks im my Duesenberg Berlin stack, sounds awesome, nearly everything in that amp is German made and design is exquisite. Have you tried their gear before?
I have zero V30s. I have a Eminence Texas Heat (well broken in, an absolute necessity with that one), a Celestion Century Vintage (neo-dymium), a Celestion C-90 from a Boogie cab, and an Eminence Governor. Love them all.
I would like to have a V30 to put in a 2x12 cab with a G12-75T… I also like high power Celestions (Lead 80, Redback, G12K-100). The Creamback is very nice too.
Great video ! I would have been curious if you compared these combinations to the DV77/V30.
I invite you to test this old HP typed 90's ->
Peavey Sheffield 1290
used in Peavey MS412 cabinets not easy to find but cheap when advertised, and the build of the cabinet is really solid!
Wow that blue celestion sounds awesome.
The low end has nice round sounding.
Is it an amp or cabs that produce that amazing low end
Pls try cream back next
This is to much fun... 🤓 ... 🍻🤘
Have to give the Celestion alnico cream a try! Crazy sounds to be had!
OMG, Blue is 💙
I sadly haven't been watching your channel as much lately because life (not because of the content), so I may have missed the bus on this one but the image quality of this video looks great. A lot better than your older videos (that were not bad looking by any means). Did you upgrade your camera and/or lights?
Thanks man!
Yeah, I spent quite some money on decent cameras a few months ago.
Now I slowly figure out how to use them correctly, haha!
Great stuff for getting people to try things and experiment. We talk a lot about speakers, but have you thought about doing one on different cabinets for metal? Obviously there's the difference between say 2x12 or 4x12, or a 1x12, but also things like where closed or open backs can be used (or half backs).
Thanks! Yes I did, I have covered both in two videos.
@@KohleAudioKult Awesome thanks, I'll have a look through and check them out.
I was just thinking about trying the celestion blue for low tuning metal. Now I have to. I would LOVE an IR of a celestion blue in a 4x12 closed back cab. They always seem to be in open back 2x12 cabs. Keeping an eye out for the IRs.
the first combo (77 + Blue ) sounded killa
i had already like the Alnico Blue, but it sounds great in a 4x12
I like the ultimate vintage metal sound from late 70's - early80's:
Celestion G12-65 and greenback in X pattern...low mids growl! Think of "Piece of Mind". You should try.
I use a w/d/w rig with 3 1x12 cabs
1) Alnico Cream
2) Fane f70
3) WGS Veteran 30
Hello fellow Fane F70 fan. Incredible speaker.
I'm definitely fairly boring when it comes to my Zilla fatboy with a v30 and creamback haha but I've definitely tried to experiment with a metal tone mainly using my Peavey Windsor with a Boss SD1 and DS1! I fully support creativity in metal tones!
Would love a cab comparison vid.
Really like to see you trying some 10” speakers, even doing some blind tests between 12’s and 10’s to see what people prefer. Blind tests are so important to remove bias and focus on the results not the expectations or bias people may bring with them.
Not the first comment about 10“ speakers. I’ll look into it!
@@KohleAudioKult awesome. Bassists seem a little more adventurous with the speaker sizes using cabs with 10’s, 12’s or 15’s. Would be nice to see guitar players vary from using 12’s.
I use a Orange PPC410 (4X10 closed back cab) stacked under a PPC212OB (2X12 open back cab) and the blend of 10’s and 12’s is really nice to my ear. The 10’s are much more quick and responsive.
AlNiCo Silver Bells for metal in my case!!! I really want to try out Weber's silver bell AlNiCo speakers for metal tones.
I just want to prove that metal tones could have been done in the 1960s with a Maestro pedal and a JTM45.
I love the Alnico blue. I compared it to the g12h-30 and they’re voiced so close it’s insane. You want 120w 412 that sounds similar to the blue, look at the g12h-30 anniversary
I like the DV77 Manchester mix. But i do like the Blue sound by itself
Astonished by the difference in speakers! I use Bogrens Rhythm IR packs with the Neural DSP Soldano and I can really lower the gain to get a darker, clearer heavy tone for doom/black symphonic metal riffs.
It’s hard to find the perfect blend.
Soldano cabs come with celestion alinco creams and v30’s and sound awesome
Thank you for this. I've been looking in the wrong places for that punchy tone. Well...one of the wrong places lol. 🍻
To my taste the Alnico Blues don't really make sense together :/ Essentially harsh metal sounds, sound best with the blend of ceramic speakers. It's not in vain that we all love V30's and Greenbacks.
I adore the Alnico Blue but it's SO specific and has that rich high definition Alnico vintage UK sound. Works beautifully in clean to saturated clean- mid overdrive scenarios to my taste.
I know that Van Halen used to combine the alnico JBL's with ceramic speakers and it really worked for him so I guess it still is personal and dependable on what are the circumstances.
I LOVE your speakers videos. Please keep making them.
Cheers.
Nice!! Do Hesu demon and Dv77 next time 🤘
The Blue is pretty much the Brian May sound right there, sounded pretty biggins mc'large on Innuendo (assuming he used that).
He used his AC30s and the Deacey am for some parts like he used to do in the early years
I play with slanted 2 x10 inch speaker... Love 10inch speaker for high gain. And surprisingly, in the end, after trying a lot, I do not use British voiced speaker (too boxy)... :)
If you have enough distortion you can play metal on basically any cab. I think it's just a matter of taste and it's fun to experiment when trying to avoid that standard Mesa V30 sound.
Pls do 4x12 cabs shoot out.
Love this channel 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼😑 How did you delay on the fly to put the speakers in phase while playing live?
with a delay plug in that works with samples
Ahhhhh yes thank you Kohle for using unconventional speakers for metal.
I think the Celestion Ruby is the best of the Alnicos for metal. You should try all four Celestion Alnicos in a video!
Good idea!
Dv77 and blue! 🤘🏻💀🤘🏻
Yep! Do a 4x12 Extravaganza!
The Alnico Blue is one of my favorite speakers ever, but usually for cleans 😄 I don't think I've ever played a high-gain amp through an Alnico Blue.
The Vox AC30 (mainly the older models) are a powerhouse for metal. It's like your guitar tone is made of glass and cuts through a mix with almost no work
That’s fucking tone right there. The 77 and blue together is the best shit I’ve heard
I would like to hear you try the DV Mark neo speakers. Gold, Silver, Pearl and Green.
the Blue sounds great, for some reason reminds me of the speakers in my 90's Valvestate cab ? .....that is your micing of the Engle through the Blue ....makes a similar tone to My 5150 block, or Jet City JCA50 through my Valvestate cab...In the room...which is odd hahaha
Big lesson here is if a person is stuck in a mic placement rut, always positioning a ''safe'' microphone in a ''safe'' way that they are familiar with, then they are missing so so soooo much of the overall picture. Brian May is who comes to mind when I think of the Celestion Blue because his Queen recordings capture the main essence of it. However, when you listen to those Queen guitar sounds closely and imagine what was possible, ie how far they COULD have been pushed in different directions with different amps and mics and processing, it boggles the mind as to why more Blues aren't in use today. The outer 1/3 of a Celestion Blue cone is a very interesting place when you have the nerve and time to explore it.
Only started watching the channel recently, so don't know if I've missed it or not. But have you tried WGS speakers and The Hesu Demon speakers ?? The demons sound awesome. Don't know if the demon would sound good enough on its own or as a blend. That's something I'd quite like to see
I have an alnico cream which is also clean and precise asf sounding and aggressive like the blue I think combining that with a Dv77 would be crushing