This whole conversation is about Donald Trump. Ben is telling us why he’s voting for Donald Trump and Sam is telling us why he’s not voting for Donald Trump. No one seems to mention Kamala.
@@renaharman4962 it's because trump has so much wrong with him it's impossible to even talk about Kamala in good faith with an interlocuter who refuses to admit and address the bad things about Trump.
That’s a problem because neither of them are talking about the left intentionally torching our economy and permanently destroying the elections if they win.
True...yet only to a certain extent in my mind. Or instead let's forget my mind altogether it's in this knucklehead, my skull it's cracked...for fucks sake. Don't I sound crazzzyyy??? & instead talk about theirs. & by theirs I mean the interviewer & interviewees, I Trump & Vance & Kamala & Walz, I mean both parties & federal party commissions (so corrupted), I mean the entire electorate (Independents NOT excluded...), I mean all third party candidates (or however many there actually are...all fucked up...), I mean all three main branches of our gov't, I mean like everybody, corporations,...everybody!!!!!! Ben & also Barri defeated Sam about practically all of this mentioned above without havin to really even try. Cuz of Sam's one main losin strategy he lost immediately... >His fear & hatred for mainly one grotesque man, has sadly blinded him from his own hypocricy & the hypocrisy of the party he most aligns. & this could've just as easy happened instead to Ben. He's just as aligned to the other. Sam's turn, that's all. Honestly, this could happen to any one of us. Most of us are prone to worse than the blindness of actual blind people...they could teach us alot about we use our eyes & actually look the fuck out for one another! We've gotta get honest about ourselves. Not to condemn, but to call to account.
If high intelligence were a criteria for the presidency, the GOP would dissolve within 2 years. Reagan, Bush Jr, Trump, these were not bright people. They are decent salesman.
I like the content she shows but I think she’s terrible at moderating and interviewing. The pretentious and awkward laughs and interjections she has show a clear bias with whoever she’s interviewing.
Shapiro and Harris have consistently made the best and most reasonable cases for and against Trump in recent years. Both, here, make me realize that Kamala is simply a generic placeholder for people who dislike the former president.
A bit I agree, but that's like comparing an average granny smith apple with turd for a snack. If Kamala just continued Biden's policies it would end up with a top ten precidency of all time as Biden was the best since probably Roosevelt when it comes to politics, economy and not all the ridiculous entertainment bullshit that takes the spotlight.
@@hartyewh1Except he wasn’t a turd as president, at least up to the point of the Covid outbreak …. I didn’t vote for the guy, but the country was actually doing well, up till that point.
Biden will go down as the worse president ever. Economy? Only rich people think the economy is good because it does not affect them. The fact that he and kamala think that the American people don't know why they flooded this country with illegals but the fact that they are taking Americans tax money and placing them in hotels and then housing them and the millions of dollars they give them monthly is nit acceptable and is down right discussing and disgraceful we have homeless men and women vets who fought for this country and they ignore them and place murderers and rapist in homes. This is the worst president period.
@@BeBe-vh4ry The US has seen the best, most efficient economic recovery of any Western nation since the pandemic, and over half of living Nobel laureates in economics support Harris' policies over Trump's. This does not mean that things are perfect now, but it definitely points to who the better choice is for continued improvement.
I know right, even just the intro seemed like a very fair way to introduce the two candidates and the two debaters. They played like the worst clips from both sides, then properly introduced Ben and Sam. I agree with Ben, but this was very refreshing.
Well it’s adult discussion except when Harris is devolving into his delusion over Trump. His hatred is so strong and unreasonable that he makes himself sound like a child.
It wasn't a very interesting conversation, just Sam repeating "Donald Trump is Satan" in many different ways basically, heard it all for the last 8 years on a daily basis, it's not interesting anymore.
This woman is an amazingly good reporter. Asking nuanced questions and not relying on exaggerative tactics. Just couldn’t be more impressed with her composure and how she handled a conversation between two people with very different views. Bravo.
@@MillieMe05 Larry Fink - Irish Bari Weiss - Irish Ben Shapiro - Irish Dave Rubin - Irish Jared Kushner - Irish Alejandro Mayorkas - Irish Janet Yellen - Irish Hm, seems like the best people on both sides are Irish
She didn't used to be. Joe Rogan brought her on and destroyed her and while I don't agree with her on everything, it seems she's turned a corner and is at least trying to be honest and informed.
00:05 Debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump 02:19 Debates lack substance due to political theater. 07:00 Trump is seen as divisive figure in current politics 09:19 Comparison of views on Kamala Harris and Trump 13:04 Ben Shapiro's change of opinion on Donald Trump since 2016. 14:51 Concerns about Trump attempting a third term and the potential challenges posed by Kamala Harris. 20:35 Analysis of taking Trump and Kamala seriously but not literally 23:50 Debating Trump and Kamala's actions and beliefs 25:49 Peaceful transfer of power crucial in democracy 29:40 Discussion on potential election denialism and consequences 31:20 Potential scenarios of election outcome 34:43 Discussion on the potential threats to democracy under Trump and Kamala Harris 36:39 Trump and Harris display contrasting seriousness in their approach to world order. 40:03 Discussion on foreign policy implications and character question 41:49 Former generals describe Trump as incompetent and disconcerting 45:55 Trump suggested using military force against political enemies 47:38 Rhetoric in political campaigns is escalating, leading to polarized views and potential conflict. 50:40 Debate over Trump's administration and personnel 52:10 Disgust with Trump and left's hypocrisy, concerns about democracy and rule of law 56:07 Debate about Biden's fitness 58:09 Biden's mental condition 1:02:02 Different perspectives on Trump's truthfulness. 1:03:43 Debate on honesty and health concerns of Biden and Kamala 1:07:00 Analysis of presidential candidates within the context of institutional durability 1:08:22 Kamala Harris lacks a positive vision beyond being not Donald Trump. 1:11:59 Discussion on labeling Trump supporters and characterizing them 1:13:35 Trump's behavior and impact on voters' decisions 1:17:16 Concerns about anti-Semitic worldviews infiltrating Democratic party 1:18:45 Trump's foreign policy legacy highlights strengths in terms of unpredictability and positive outcomes. 1:22:31 Comparison of Israel policy under Trump and Harris Administration 1:24:11 Normalcy in politics is perceived differently by individuals. 1:27:22 Doubts about Kamala Harris presidency in the Middle East 1:29:16 Kamala struggles with balancing support for Israel and addressing Gaza conflict 1:33:01 Different perspectives on support for Israel and ideological differences 1:34:40 Democrats and Republicans approach political rhetoric differently 1:38:08 Trump's policy on Ukraine and the international rules-based order 1:39:57 Importance of multilateral approach in maintaining world order 1:43:25 Debate on American power abroad 1:44:59 Debate on American strength projection 1:48:32 Debate on Trump's behavior and its impact on American power projection. 1:50:10 Trump uses tariffs as leverage in trade negotiations. 1:53:32 Trump's negotiation strategy involves taking a strong position to create leverage. 1:55:00 Trump's immigration policy resembles his policy in term one 1:58:09 Recognizing past mistakes and committing to rectify them 2:00:05 Importance of acknowledging guard rails in the first Trump presidency 2:03:44 Importance of the 2020 election and the difference between the parties 2:05:26 Debate between Trump and Kamala regarding their ability to be good presidents. 2:09:07 Trump's lies and the impact on democracy 2:11:07 Impact of Trump versus Kamala on woke culture Crafted by Merlin AI.
Bari Weiss is a great moderator and puts legacy media moderators to shame. This is how a debate between two opposing sides should be moderated....great job Bari.
@@TheDivayenta Not sure what Piers you mean ?. This was the first time I watched this channel today and was impressed by the two contributors and the moderator in particular.
You don’t sound like someone who consumes “legacy media” like the New York Times or Washington Post, you sound like someone who skimmed Fox News and msnbc and reddit comments.
This is by far the best moderator of any debate I have ever seen. No bias. Asked high quality questions and knows what she is talking about. She was able to keep both sides accountable. Made this debate so much better.
This is probably the best, most articulate, most polite and thought-provoking discussion about politics that I’ve ever watched between someone with strong liberal values (Sam Harris) and someone with strong conservative values (Ben Shapiro). The host seems like she is someone that’s probably representative of an independent voter who has mixed values. Regardless of whose ideas resonate the most with you, I think this is a great example of how people that strongly disagree with each other’s political perspective should be engaging with each other. If people talked to each other about complex political topics with this amount of respect and politeness, I think the country would objectively be a better place.
I agree, and it’s all the more significant that Trump is clearly the better option for the country. Harris presents perhaps the most coherent and concise argument against Trump and for herself, yet it still falls flat against the facts supporting Trump. Ben doesn’t even need to go after Kamala here to make his point, although, at times, I personally wanted him to call out Kamala’sclear faults just as Harris tries to do with Trump. Overall Ben wins handily judges scores are 5-4 5-2 5-3 5-1. p.s. I am all 4 judges.
I think it is a dramatic reach to say that Shapiro has strong conservative views. He has completely sold out to the populist magas. These are worthless, garbage human beings, and do not have an ounce of traditional conservatism in their rhetoric or ideology.
@ ok let’s hear it. Please explain how you will be so damaged by trumps presidency, and please explain why you feel this way with some sort of reasonable evidence, otherwise for a reason beyond the rational world, you are only holding yourself down .
I'm a 30 year journalist. (This is not a photo of me btw). Bari Weiss became my hero with her NYTimes resignation letter. I still read and point people to it today. Uri Berliner runs a close second. Truth and quality storytelling, for God's sake, is what journalism is supposed to be about. Great job, Bari. Keep this stuff coming.
@@stevenhawking6096both of these debaters are extremely intelligent, and articulate, no mater which one you side with. The world of politics, especially as you get to the level of president, is so nasty, dirty, and immoral, in my opinion, that it is extremely unlikely to get truly intelligent, intellectual, and articulate people, to fill those positions.
@@stevenhawking6096 would you hold the same standard for a race-car driver and the engineer of said race-car? extrapolating a position you hold is really as simple as that; spend less time being stupid - education is free
Only in the first 30 minutes and it actually worked in Ben’s favor! Later on Ben speaks equally. Read what people say, Ben convinced more people. She did her job, each person was allowed to answer the other
Also the fact she even invited these guests and validates people’s fears - I’m team Trump but look I know so many people who are terrified of him and don’t know how to vote. It’s fair that people are on the line. And now hopefully thanks to Sam being a bit ridiculous and Ben being very convincing, more people will vote Trump. And either way that we can understand the other side better and have less division and more unity
Be careful. She is compensating for a serious critic of her awhile back. She is a New York Times Leftist who now is a moderator who needs to be pragmatic
Crown, Ben is a huge Free Press and Bari Weiss fan. She didn’t bait him. She was tough but fair on both Ben and Sam. Love Bari and Ben and respect Sam. Subscribed to the Free Press
Totally agree. Love Ben, Bari and Sam. Subscribe to The Free Press to support her and more of this refreshing real journalism, so much better than the mainstream media, which literally cancelled her for being too fair and honest. No wonder Ben, Sam and Megyn Kelly all love her and The Free Press.
I'm surprised Sam didn't push this point further, but when Ben admitted that it was good that Pence stopped Trump from overturning the 2020 election, the obvious follow up was to ask if he thought JD Vance would have held his ground as strongly. Because if not, that's a clear difference between a first and second term Trump.
It was great to see Sam and Ben appear alongside each other in public after a long long time. Hopefully this is the first of many great conversations between REASONABLE folks on either side of the conversation and that the country is getting back from the extremes that characterized discourse over the last few years.
@@abstract5249 He is a good debater looking through the world with brown colored glasses most of the time. Says the context of books wrong, anecdotal evidence, whataboutism, can't even defend himself on the most conservative UK show from the crap out of his book. Born with brains and a good environment with at least an upper middle class family. He has no clue what it is to suffer. He could be a reasonable voice for the left. He is smart. He just isn't a critical thinker. I do agree with him on some issues... same ones Sam does. Sam... I agree with everything Sam says. He goes me to see the truth about Islam.....with data that I looked up myself and was floored at what I found.
It's funny how leftists allowed 15 million illegals into the country and then once they can't cover it up anymore and get away with it....Of course we need to fix the southern border, everybody agrees with that but OMG, no you can't deport millions and millions of the illegals....that's just not humane or the American way.
No. This is not a debate if one side is a sniveling disingenuous bad faith actor like Sam. An ideologically captured person does not make a great debate, it is better to just explore his issues in a conversation the way KK and FF did. A disarming conversation where people can see how far into a rabbit hole a supposed intellectual can dig himself into. What a waste of time
But it’s not even an actual debate over Kamala v Trump. It’s a discussion where one side is a hardline Trump supporter who is willing to excuse anything Trump does and the other side where a guy recognizes all of the insane and dangerous stuff from Trump and is picking Kamala simply because she isn’t Trump. Like what the fuck are people talking about? Sam did what he always does, provided a measured approach to laying out all of the moral, psychological, and political reasons why Trump is clearly not someone we want in office. Ben Shapiro just listed out issues he has with Kamala and argued that Trump isn’t as bad as his issues with Kamala. This moved the dial for absolutely nobody because one side can say, “Ben Shapiro is like any other Trump supporting MAGA figure, excuses any and everything Trump does that is fucked up”. And the other side can say, “Sam Harris just showed his TDS for 2 hours”. The comments here and on Sam and Ben’s respective subreddits only further prove this.
These are the kind of debates we need between presidential candidates. The “debates” we see on TV don’t even come close to this quality. Very good moderation as well. This was a treat to listen to.
@@mistere9099 That, unfortunately, is Politics. Never reveal one's weaknesses and use Machiavellian Logic to accuse their opponent of what they are guilty of.
2:09:14 What Sam Harris doesn't understand, sitting on his ivory tower, is that normal people don't get to care about these things about Trump, they have to care about putting food on the table. The Trump years were better economically for the average person and that's what got him re-elected.
The recent high inflation had nothing to do with Biden or the democrats. If anything, it was less because of him. People who voted for trump based on this one metric are clearly uninformed and will soon see what their vote actually means.
Presidents don’t control the price of gas, bread, eggs and milk. Supply and demand does. People complain all the time that prices are too high but if you turn on the news the next time there’s a holiday you’ll see them reporting on the millions of people FILLING airports heading to their favorite vacation destinations. Wait, I thought people were struggling to put food on the table?
28:59 Ben says "I agree" that there would have been a "constitutional crisis" if Trump had gotten his way and Mike Pence had refused to certify the election 40:24 Ben says "I don't think Donald Trump knows his own policy on Ukraine" and says he is "wildly unpredictable" I just don't see how Ben can defend a man whom he admits nearly initiated a constitutional crisis and doesn't have a position on possibly the largest and most consequential ongoing major conflict between two nations.
@@davisjones5489 because apparently An attempted coup means nothing. You don't go to jail for attempted murder, right? Never mind the point that Trump has explicitly run with a VP who says he would have gone along with that nonsense.
@@renholderm tbf biden did not want to step down at all. He said i am staying in the race until nancy and all the others pulled support and literally bent the sitting presedent to there will. Kinda pot calling the kettle black no?
@@mentalglitch9603 someone who agrees with MSM, universities, the govt, hollywood, big tech billionaires, vaush, destiny, neocons and iran believing they're part of the resistance is the real irony.
Although I do agree with Ben, it was nice to see two adults debate political views without resorting to yelling and name calling. Great job gentleman, and Free Press 👍
In some respects, the intellectual level of the debate determines the level of shouting, abuse and emotion, particularly on the left. Hence the calm, well mannered approach by all three. Well done, refreshing!
Trump admitted to looking at naked minors on Howard Stern when he owned that teen pagent. You agree with that? That's no better than Diddy. You agree with that because Ben agreed to it by not refuting the claim. Please Answer.
One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back. -Carl Sagan
"it is easier to convince someone of a lie than it is to convince them that they've been lied to." I agree that many people are this way, but there are plenty of people who aren't, so it becomes more nuanced than that kind of sweeping statement. can you even make a statement like that if it were inherently true? I don't think so. you have to be able to see the bamboozle to even make a statement like that.
This is exactly it. Accepting the personal failure past voting for him twice is beyond most people. Better to burn down the country than play stupid and make up excuses.
@@VexylObby hello CNN watcher. can you back up your statements with evidence? name one radical thing he said. his policies are very clear. deport illegals, secure the border, bring income taxes down to 15% to start with, no tax on tips, no tax on over time, use tariffs to create more jobs in America, drill for more oil in America to strengthen the petro dollar, stop the war in the ukraine and middle east. He historically got them to sign the Abraham accords and brought peace to that region when no one else could or thought he could once already, and he can do it again. That's only part of his policies. here are Kamal's: use price caps on grocery stores(which any decent economist will tell you is disastrous), flip flops on fracking. can't answer a question with a clear plan or even a 'yes' or 'no'. she changes how she speaks based on the race of the people she's talking to. she is not the kind of person to lead if America was brought into war, which in Biden's administration new wars were started and the economy went to crap because of stimulus checks that caused inflation for the people while the politicians lined their pockets... there is so much more, but that should be enough to start with.
I don't agree with a lot of Bari's politics, but I LOVE listening to her because she is a REAL JOURNALIST who is able to have discussions with both sides and report on the news WITHOUT injecting her personal biases. Well done, Bari!
Totally agree. And she’s let each person talk- and they were both smart, even though I didn’t agree on every point. Ben convinced me to vote for Trump, he makes excellent arguments based on logic, facts, results, policy, reason…
She has forgotten how badly she was treated by the far leftists in our country. She has not learned her lesson - she is open for more hate from the Far Left Socialists. Her lifestyle has not gained respect of normal Americans.
@reeseexplains8935 she is right about what? Being biased? How can you consider yourself someone to be taken seriously if you're not willing to challenge yourself and ideas? Even if the moderator was biased in favor of me, I wouldn't think that's right. In order to find truth you make challenge your own opinions and what you think you know. The first step is the self awareness is knowing, the next is the open-mindedness and ability to be a critical thinker. "She is right" is such a low iq non response. Right about what? The point of moderatoration is so there's a closer balance of the two sides speaking. Move on child, with your child brain....
Yep, A|Pac funded media made to cater first and foremost to interests of a foreign country is definitely the media channel everyone needs in the US. Weiss was doxing anti war protesters on her twitter account yet her media outlet is called freepress....got it
No matter which side you land on - this was a civil, thoughtful debate. 2 hours of insight and perspectives from very articulate people. This is why cable news is dead. Nice work free press, Ben, and Sam.
It wasn't that interesting, tbh. Just 2 hours of Trump bashing, I have heard this crap for 8 years at this point. I had to stop the debate halfway through because I could predict everything coming out of Sams mouth, it's just "Trump is Satan" crap again and again basically. For a man who doesn't even believe in Satan I'm not sure how he managed to identify Trump with Satan so strongly.
Civil debate? I can't fathom how Trump has been proven to lie over so many things. Accused of saying and doing so many horrible things. He's obviously dumb as rocks and so clearly if FoS. Yet, people ignore ALL OF THAT and say well Kamala is worse when they literally no nothing about her. The level of delusion in this country is insane. Its like everyone is brainwashed.
@@ianrust3785Why did he say that Trump is so bad? If you just focus on the "Trump is bad" part of the argument, and tune out the "why" part of the argument, of course you're going to be bored!
I was looking for a comment like this. I stopped the video at him saying "So we all know trump is not gonna deport 12million-" The person he appointed over this literally said that families can get deported too... as a snide clap back. I bet you he has said absolutely nothing about it. Or any of his loyalists. This is why people should stop taking ben shapiro seriously. The guy is a moron.
@@JJo1792”he’s a moron for not being able to predict the future correctly” cue the hundreds of times the left made claims about what trump will do and it hasn’t happened. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with deporting criminals, they shouldn’t be here in the first place. Such a weird thing where you guys argue with your emotions about it rather than argue about the legal side of it. Until it happens, stop making predictions.
Trump conceded in 2020, Hillary to this day still publicly says trump was illegitimate and doesn’t believe he was the true president. You can’t make up your own reality, plenty of leftists online were talking about the election integrity, so cope more.
Bari Weiss you are a treasure, and your moderation of this was beyond phenomenal, your insight into how to frame and ask the questions of both sides and to even recognize your guests and their opinions and have them speak to it was so masterfully done. Thank you so much!
Sam is so unserious. Mentions the pillow guy but not Elon Musk, RFK, Vivek, Tulsi Gababrd etc etc etc What a partisan TDS hack "I miss Mit Romney" the entire machine called him a nasty bigot. So we the people finally said f*** it, full send. cope doosh And btw he is NOT a philosopher. He's actually an empty suit. Any decent actual intellectual would eviscerate him. Jordan Hall, Dr John Vervaeke, Dr Ian McGilchrist to name just a few
People saying Sam destroyed Ben, or Ben destroyed Sam are missing the point here. This video is the antidote to that political thinking. Two smart people calmly demonstrating there points through an unbiased medium, so undecided individuals can go and make up their own minds.
but sam basically conceded the issue on foreign policy, he probably watched how destiny got obliterated by ben and decided it's so badly indefensible at this point.
Sam actually accomplished something deeper and more important than “winning” a debate, he exposed Ben’s intelectual dishonesty and gaslighting tactics. Ben kept trying to spin the indefensible, then pivot, and then go into an exaggerated whataboutism like “Democrats 2016, Russiagate, Hilary” even though Ben perfectly knows that it’s a false equivalency… shame on him for using disingenuous tactics just to score some “debate points” rather than being honest with your audience and himself. But the tragedy is that half of republicans are like this: they’re not cult members but they are enablers and collaborators, and they 100% know what they’re doing!
@@emmanueluwaje4865 english might not be your first language or you have problem with reading comprehension so try reading again and maybe try adding some substance if you decide to reply again aight?
you're missing the point. debate is about forming opinions, not being spineless like you listening to words and not caring about what is being said, and only caring about civility.
So classy and respectful. The polar opposite of debates on Piers Morgan. I disagree with Sam's conclusion, but thank him for valuing honesty above winning.
Honesty? Where? He claims he'd vote for Romney over Harris if that were the race. We all know he'd be calling Romney a racist just like Biden did during the 2012 campaign.
Morgan injects egotism into every debate. Sam and Ben can speak freely to each other without having to expend mental resources on couching their opinions or not offending the other person. Piers Morgan relies to some extent on pivoting an argument into a battle of egos with his classic "how dare you say that" routine.
With all the stress of the election, watching a normal respectful debate with fair moderation, no interruptions, and respect across all parties gave me such a sense of calm. At least we know there are some intellects on both ends. Both made very valid and persuasive arguments.
Credit to the host/moderator here. I usually don’t like when the moderator interjects with any type of opinion, but she was remarkably balanced when doing so. Subscribed 👍🏻
@@eja9539no, sadly, most voters favor fame and can't pay attention for more than a few minutes at a time, which favors Trump's habit of speaking in memes and tweets.
This is one of the most refreshing debates/interviews I've seen in a long, long time. Both participants were respectful, thoughtful, and made good points, and Bari as the host was out of this world. Several times I started to construct follow-up questions or references to data in my head and she said what I was thinking out loud every time. She was completely ubiased and pushed both participants far enough to help them clarify their positions, but not so far that she became a third participant in the debate. This is the kind of journalism and reporting we need, and I hope it starts to replace all the clowns and propagandists in corporate media today.
@@sam-te1fu I don't care who she's going to vote for, I care how she conducted herself as a moderator in this debate. If you think she was biased here in her follow up questions or in some other way I'd love to see some timestamps
@@lukewilmington9807 You don't care who she's going to vote for? She's built a media presence claiming to be the voice of reason caring about Israel... yet, she's going to vote for the pro-Hamas wing of her party because she's too much of a coward to go against the tribe. The bias was obvious and ever-present throughout the 'debate'. If you couldn't pick up on it, you're part of the problem.
Literally every person is biased but I couldn’t tell you who she’s voting for as she nodded at Ben and was concerned about Kamala not answering questions and the wokeness but also concerned about Trump
lol, bari weiss is shit. she's a trump/russia collusion hoaxer. she also smeared tulsi gabbard as a russian spy if you don't remember. not a good person or journalist
@@Danverwaals chat gpt is mine, Elon Musk co-founded Open AI so I know it's got a slight right leaning, but even then it doesn't think any of Trump's policies benefit the average American, it accepts he's guilty of all the crimes, it accepts no evidence of stolen election, it accepts he r**ed a woman. And if I ask it to prove it and show me sources and evidence it can actually do it
Ben, Sam and Bari are class acts. I wish rather than resorting to mean name calling in the comments, people would be as respectful and civil as they were to each other. We need more unity in America and not so much division. I’m voting Trump and Republican thanks to Ben’s persuasion but have nothing but admiration and respect for Sam, who is good friends with Ben, and my Democrat-voting friends and family.
Sam couldn't be "close friends" with Bullshit Ben. Ben has been dumping on Sam while grifting for his puritanical libertarian base and Sam has called it out recently. They also have very fundamentally different worldviews.
You still don’t get it, Trump is the people’s choice to give a huge middle finger to the globalists elite diddy fidlers. He was the response to 8 years of Obama’s American Apology tour. Obama promised hope and change and instead gave us changeless hopelessness. Biden was forced upon us and now Commielaw. The left are so for out of touch with reality and the hypocrisy is absolutely astounding that they can’t even understand why they are the ones propelling Trump to stratospheric popularity. 16 years of shear dumpster fire politics and games. People are sick of it.
At 1.25x, Sam Harris is possibly the most fluent American speaker in the world today. Can't think of too many more who can lean on such an extensive vocabulary to illustrate his points so vividly. Add to that his comical epithets of Trump and you get something close to absolute mastery
Bro were you today years old when you finally realized that, thats how most election in a first past the post system work? Like your comment is just an indication of how low information of a voter you are
Sam had lost my respect over the last few years. He was outmatched here. He barely spoke about Kamala. It’s as if the debate prompt was “Pro Trump vs Anti Trump”. I came here for a discussion about Kamala vs Trump. It really feels like Kamala doesn’t have supporters, she has Trump haters on her side. I know from being a sports fan, the best athletes always have haters lol
It's amazing that the 2016 Inauguration Day was been completely memory holed. I saw the footage, there was people clad in black blocking people at almost every intersection of downtown DC. Where did the 'Not My President' slogan come from?
Sam Harris gotta be one of the most neutral guys i ever heard, not in the extreme right, nor the extreme left, despite he is kind of identifying himself as democrat im this debate, he is also accepting the democrat party flaws
Everyone, no matter who you support, please watch complete interviews, read laws, etc. and don't vote based 10 seconds videos on social media!! Nobody is holding social media accountable for the mess that they have created with the echo chambers on both sides.
I can understand the abuse you feel however… nobody is forced to be on social media. What you are proposing is called censorship… we have the right to say and hear all kinds of things… even outright lies. We should be smart and conscientious enough to sort through the content and reach our own conclusions. It’s called FREEDOM🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@pod8234 Not sure how you got to the conclusion that I wanted censorship but that is the complete opposite of what I meant. People can lie all they want but editing or altering statements politians make to change the message it's called fraud and is ilegal and unfortunately happens all the time in the news and social media. It happened to Mike Johnson not long ago on NBC. I want more information, not less. Google and FB can push whatever content they want but it should be known when they are doing it and when they are censoring or shadow banning others to favor one side and manipulate the voters.
I disagree on the echo chambers. The democratic side still live in the same one that has existed since the TV was invented, Republicans watch the same things they do except they also seek other sources of information. That's why I've always found it so impossible to discuss politics with them since Trump appeared.
@@masztaarcthis is entirely true. That’s why quite literally in 95% of my conversations with dems, they simply don’t know what I know about a situation, but I know what they know about a situation because it’s just the mainstream media’s lies. When I tell them new information, they always say “that’s not true”, as if they’ve never heard it. It’s because most of them read a headline they like and take it as fact and look no further, and republicans, while they do that do, generally will look into the actual information and see what both sides say about a topic.
@@masztaarcif you find republicans the problem to discuss things with you may be confused what it means if they watch msm AND other sources to increase the objectivity and wider POV AND it is for that reason democrats remain in the echo chamber of msm that has indeed been not the whole picture and remain there where it is worse than ever and so it is democrats that are almost impossible to speak with rationally without a devolution to a tv show pov like that spit out emotionally like the show “the view “ ✌🏽
Wow. Fancy--a long, measured, intelligent debate between diametrically opposed pundits without hysterics and screaming and insults. There may be hope yet. Thank you, Bari Weiss.
What makes this debate watchable is neither the host nor the two people debating interrupted each other. Take note people, even though you disagree with the person you are debating you give them the opportunity to share their views.
Thank you Bari for setting this up. These two smart gentlemen are respectful enough of the conversation to say what they think and allow the other person to speak fully and completely. Great work.
Great debate! Sam, you’re right character does matter. I’ve never forgotten Trump making fun of the disabled journalist. There is something deeply flawed and dark about this man. All I see is shadow projection. I think Mary Trump has some of the best insights from a family of origin perspective. Ben, you did an excellent job of trying to defend Trump. He’s fortunate to have you on his side. Would that he were worthy of it.
That's not true at all. I don't know what sub reddits you follow. Just because Sam Harris is voting against Trump doesn't mean there aren't people voting in favour of Harris' policy
@@andrewvo8395they're both against Trump. One has simply turned opposition into a transactional acceptance. Shapiro has bartered away his morals and principles in exchange for the most generous support of the corrupt Israeli right wing establishment. Shapiro is essentially as corrupt as Trump because he actually knows he's doing wrong.
@kevinwoods9274 eh, Bari is extremely biased, but not in a way that would effect this debate. If they were debating over the ethics of blowing up school children in Palestine, she would be harshly discriminatory against the side that argues for universal human rights.
@@justifiably_stupid4998Took the words right out of my mouth. The Gaza discussion was incredibly discouraging, if predictable. All three members of the discussion are essentially AIPAC mouthpieces
19:58 but he is supporting a person who rose money to help rioters, those who destroyed not just private property-business , cars, etc, but also federal and state buildings? How can that make sense to his argument?
@@AlysiaRosenand then says “but my calculations say…” He’s lowering the bar so low, and then raising it super high for the dem party. Can’t take him seriously with the outrageous double standard.
The FBI and MKUltra set up Jan 6 - part of the script that included Covid MIND VIRUS (after Freudian/Bernays'ian toilet paper crisis - can't WIPE YOUR PRIVATES, have a diarreah MENTAL MELTDOWN!). we have been PLAYED for CENTURIES! the flouride and GRAPHENE are WORKING!
That's not quite right, lots of people who were protesting but not breaking the law were arrested, and deserved legal representation same as everywhere else
How about Biden-Harris and their support of BLM and pro-Hamas rioters? They have literally raised money for BLM rioters. Additionally they have done NOTHING about those poor kids on university campuses getting violently attacked. Will you be consistent or only condemn if it’s 1 side?
Such a refreshing debate. No personal attacks, no going off the rails with distractions and "what abouts". You stuck to the topics and discussed. Thank you!
Kind of true. But now I also want to get Ben Shapiro to actually stop the whataboutism “both sides did it”-- no. Stop equating what both presidents and both parties do.
Remember when ben said Jan 6th was the worst thing to happen to America since 9/11? Then he had to start glazing trump again to appease his viewerbase. His facts care about his viewer's feelings.
Probably realised that was an absolutely ridiculous take, and in fact we saw far far worse with the 8 month insurrection orchestrated by the Democrats the previous year
@@RoadHater he must have forgotten the 8 months of death and destruction enabled and encouraged by the Democrats known as the “summer of love”. January the 6th was an obfuscation from that.
@@alexrhughes you have a thing for Ben don’t you? The denial comes later. Clinton was the same. Spent the next chapter of her life shaking and yelling at Russia.
@@Abcd-k6i The point that Sam made is there has never been a democrat (and probably never will) who pulls a Jan 6th. I also honestly don't see another Trump from GOP side either. Anybody who still claims Trump didn't lie about Jan 6th is merely delusional at this point. Regardless of how Ben tries to justify it, he has flat out said election was NOT stolen, period.
@ I have a thing for someone who thinks Shapiro’s stumping for the right somehow makes him more courageous or legitimate than Harris’ nuanced and non-partisan views. Only one of these men’s careers is contingent on their loyalty to a certain ideology. Imagine if Shapiro ever decided to support a democratic nominee.
@ they do not line up with his views. He is there by principle. Harris goes whichever way the wind blows. He isn’t above anyone because he isn’t religious. I take Jordan Peterson’s view before either of them and that has nothing to do with politics. You mad that he debates ideas with Sam cordially? He isn’t attacking Sam? Are you that devoted to Sam that no one can challenge his ideas?
@@adamonweb9186 Shapiro should've destroyed Sam by making him talk about how stupid and authoritarian was to put Harris as president nominee when nobody ever voted for her! For all the talk about Trump being a dictator, the democrat party is the actual dictatorship! without the will and vote of the people they decided for them and picked Kamala as a nominee! And Sam is ok with this??? Laughable...
@@dtgb7 Primaries aren't necessary and not a legal requirement to run for president. I don't remember people voting for RFK jr. According to your logic, RFK should not be running since he ran no primaries, he just popped out as an Independent (I know he eventually dropped out). But all this to ask you: should RFK jr not have been allowed to run because he had no votes? Not to mention, people can still vote for the general election which is what actually matters. You act like there is no other choice, and be honest: why do you even care who the Democratic candidate is? It's not like you wanted more option for the general election because you'd vote Trump no matter what. You talk about dictatorship from democrats while Trump literally called for the termination of the Constitution, said he would be a dictator for a day or on day 1, sent fake slate of electors so Mike Pence could count them, pressured Mike Pence to reject the certification of the vote, I could go on and on. But I'm really curious if you think its authoritarian for RFK jr to just run with no votes.
Great job Bari - Ben and Sam. This is what I came to The Free Press for! Exactly what I want to hear/see/read. For me Ben won me over - but I want/crave this type of discussion and it has been missing for quite a while in our media. Thank you Free Press/Bari
@@Mr.Braggadocio - Yeah I don't get your reaction either to be honest. I'm saying it's refreshing to see two people debate a topic on which they disagree with an aim to actually reach some kind of a consensus, whereas on MSM the aim appears to be to make people yell at eachother. If you think the former is a 'wuss' approach to debate then I think we will have to agree to disagree :)
Lots of comments claiming winners and losers of a 2+ hour debate...half hour after it's posted. People, it's ok to watch the whole thing before publicizing your preexisting opinion. 😊
44:49 what Sam does not say in this reply is most revealing. The fact that who chooses not to disagree with Clinton about the deplorables. To me I sense Sam does see them as deplorable.
He's a clown. J6 was not a peaceful transfer of power, but 2017 was? Rioters set DC aflame when Trump was inaugurated and Obama weaponized the DOJ, opened an investigation that not only hampered the transition, but went on for the majority of Trump's presidency. He's a partisan hack.
@ManicMindTrick he is speaking in the context of critical race theory and defended teaching it in the military. When he was speaking to congress, he blamed January 6th on "white rage"
This was excellent, political discourse. Including the incredibly fair and deeply probing moderating. I’m going to do some more researching of Free Press videos before I’m ready to declare this unbiased useful reporting but if they’re all like this, I’ll definitely be subscribing. Just very well done. For context, I’m definitely more in the Ben Shapiro camp as far as opinions and the way I think about these issues but total respect for Sam Harris’s perspective, logic and communication.
Did Harris just say it's okay that Biden can't debate, can't interview, can't campaign for President, but he's okay in the White House situation room during an emergency as long as he has enough time to think through the problem?
Sam believes that individuals do not make decisions - institutions do. He has faith that Biden has never made a unilateral decision in the White House.
@@justifiably_stupid4998right and this is a categorial error on Sam's part. When thibgs get really bad and a critical decision must be made, we need a single capable individual who can make the call. We need that if only for purposes of accountability. Honestly, anybody who trusts institutions at all after that one virus I won't name needs their head checked. Sam put all his chips on institutions, he lost big time and now can't afford to turn the ship of his worldview around.
@@bbainter7880 It's reality. There's a reason you have a cabinet and a legislative branch. The same is true for Trump. It's how the system is supposed to work. Presidents can issue executive orders but they're supposed to be limited in scope. However successive presidents from both parties have increased the use of executive orders in recent years, largely because Congress has been relatively deadlocked. Unless you want the president to be a king, which is quite obviously not what the founding fathers wanted (some people did want to make Washington a king but he refused and established the peaceful transfer of power), then the institutions are vital.
In reality, it is the experts within the administration who make the critical decisions that apply to their area of expertise. The president just signs off on it.
I’m beginning to think that Trump has lost Sam’s vote.
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He'll come around 😂
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Do you know what, you would not see the same from the left.
Sam is the poster boy for TDS
This whole conversation is about Donald Trump. Ben is telling us why he’s voting for Donald Trump and Sam is telling us why he’s not voting for Donald Trump. No one seems to mention Kamala.
kamala is a puppet, deep state figurehead.
Kamala is a standard politician. Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy. That's why he gets brought up more.
@@renaharman4962 no one is voting for her. They are either voting for or against Trump
@@renaharman4962 it's because trump has so much wrong with him it's impossible to even talk about Kamala in good faith with an interlocuter who refuses to admit and address the bad things about Trump.
That’s a problem because neither of them are talking about the left intentionally torching our economy and permanently destroying the elections if they win.
I feel so much better that Sam called me a "low information voter" instead of a Nazi or Fascist.
I’m sorry for your loss
You really want to be seen eh?
I just checked in with the video to make sure that I still disliked Sam Harris. And, yep, I do.
Sam is right about Trump but Kamala is much worse.
Low information IE: non brainwashed by MSNBC
So much to learn from these professionals on how to debate 👍, no name calling, shouting or speaking over each other. The world needs more of this.
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both are indispensable
That's absolutely true .
The clear respect for both is clear
It does help they are on the same side on some subjects that are closer to their hearts
Completely agree. I like to hear both sides being respectful with their disagreements. Hate the polarisation we've seen the last 20 years
True...yet only to a certain extent in my mind.
Or instead let's forget my mind altogether it's in this knucklehead, my skull it's cracked...for fucks sake. Don't I sound crazzzyyy???
& instead talk about theirs. & by theirs I mean the interviewer & interviewees, I Trump & Vance & Kamala & Walz, I mean both parties & federal party commissions (so corrupted), I mean the entire electorate (Independents NOT excluded...), I mean all third party candidates (or however many there actually are...all fucked up...), I mean all three main branches of our gov't, I mean like everybody, corporations,...everybody!!!!!!
Ben & also Barri defeated Sam about practically all of this mentioned above without havin to really even try. Cuz of Sam's one main losin strategy he lost immediately... >His fear & hatred for mainly one grotesque man, has sadly blinded him from his own hypocricy & the hypocrisy of the party he most aligns.
& this could've just as easy happened instead to Ben. He's just as aligned to the other. Sam's turn, that's all.
Honestly, this could happen to any one of us.
Most of us are prone to worse than the blindness of actual blind people...they could teach us alot about we use our eyes & actually look the fuck out for one another! We've gotta get honest about ourselves.
Not to condemn, but to call to account.
There is an irony in the fact that we’re watching 2 people who are dramatically smarter than the presidential candidates debate about the candidates.
If high intelligence were a criteria for the presidency, the GOP would dissolve within 2 years. Reagan, Bush Jr, Trump, these were not bright people. They are decent salesman.
Sam Harris is a democrat that I would have no problem voting for
Good point
Dramatically SMARTER
Been saying this forever
It is so weird. I'm needing to speed up the video by 1.5x when Sam speaks and to 0.5x when Ben speaks.
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Same!😂😂😂
Funny! In fact, a while back I set Ben's podcast to play at minus-20% speed!
Ben Shapiro's gish galloping is famous. He uses it to make his outrageous opinions sound smarter than they are.
This lady needs to moderate future presidential debates. She's elevating this conversation a lot.
You’ve also have two reasonable people speaking without interrupting one another. Makes it much easier.
True but she’s still a good moderator and even better interviewer, watch her interviews
I’m impressed with Bari Weiss too!
I like the content she shows but I think she’s terrible at moderating and interviewing. The pretentious and awkward laughs and interjections she has show a clear bias with whoever she’s interviewing.
The Democrats would never allow Bari to do this - she is a Jewess.
This is the sanest debate i have seen in my entire young life. This can happen? A conversation? Crazy.
A sane conversation where a Harvard educated lawyer claims that riots and dead cops in the Capitol is a peaceful transfer of power. So sane.
@@mishaarthur7689but is that when the transfer of power happens on Jan 6? -Ben zero standards Shapiro
@@danieldominguez6208 lol, and he was serious too lol. Ben Shapiro argues for Trump like a Lawyer who knows his client is guilty lol. It's so obvious
100% - mutually respectful, no shouting, little pulling of faces, patience... sad that this is an outlier rather than the norm for behaviour.
nothing sam said was sane
Shapiro and Harris have consistently made the best and most reasonable cases for and against Trump in recent years. Both, here, make me realize that Kamala is simply a generic placeholder for people who dislike the former president.
A bit I agree, but that's like comparing an average granny smith apple with turd for a snack.
If Kamala just continued Biden's policies it would end up with a top ten precidency of all time as Biden was the best since probably Roosevelt when it comes to politics, economy and not all the ridiculous entertainment bullshit that takes the spotlight.
@@hartyewh1You have to be trolling, theres zero chance you actually believe biden did a good job economically.
@@hartyewh1Except he wasn’t a turd as president, at least up to the point of the Covid outbreak ….
I didn’t vote for the guy, but the country was actually doing well, up till that point.
Biden will go down as the worse president ever. Economy? Only rich people think the economy is good because it does not affect them. The fact that he and kamala think that the American people don't know why they flooded this country with illegals but the fact that they are taking Americans tax money and placing them in hotels and then housing them and the millions of dollars they give them monthly is nit acceptable and is down right discussing and disgraceful we have homeless men and women vets who fought for this country and they ignore them and place murderers and rapist in homes. This is the worst president period.
@@BeBe-vh4ry The US has seen the best, most efficient economic recovery of any Western nation since the pandemic, and over half of living Nobel laureates in economics support Harris' policies over Trump's. This does not mean that things are perfect now, but it definitely points to who the better choice is for continued improvement.
What's this? Real journalism? Adult discussion? I almost forgot what it felt like.
I know right, even just the intro seemed like a very fair way to introduce the two candidates and the two debaters. They played like the worst clips from both sides, then properly introduced Ben and Sam. I agree with Ben, but this was very refreshing.
Helps that Sam and Ben are friends. At least I think they are. But yes, very refreshing
Well it’s adult discussion except when Harris is devolving into his delusion over Trump. His hatred is so strong and unreasonable that he makes himself sound like a child.
no this is not an adult discussion. this is a discussion between Sam who has intellectual integrity vs Ben full of fallacies.
It wasn't a very interesting conversation, just Sam repeating "Donald Trump is Satan" in many different ways basically, heard it all for the last 8 years on a daily basis, it's not interesting anymore.
This woman is an amazingly good reporter. Asking nuanced questions and not relying on exaggerative tactics. Just couldn’t be more impressed with her composure and how she handled a conversation between two people with very different views. Bravo.
That’s why she can’t work for MSM.
@@MillieMe05 Larry Fink - Irish
Bari Weiss - Irish
Ben Shapiro - Irish
Dave Rubin - Irish
Jared Kushner - Irish
Alejandro Mayorkas - Irish
Janet Yellen - Irish
Hm, seems like the best people on both sides are Irish
I agree. Everytime I feel like she is just another member of the mainstream media, she brings me back into thinking she is for Trump. Bravo to her 👏
The Mainstream media literally cancelled her, that’s why she started The Free Press. Bari Weiss is great
She didn't used to be. Joe Rogan brought her on and destroyed her and while I don't agree with her on everything, it seems she's turned a corner and is at least trying to be honest and informed.
00:05 Debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump
02:19 Debates lack substance due to political theater.
07:00 Trump is seen as divisive figure in current politics
09:19 Comparison of views on Kamala Harris and Trump
13:04 Ben Shapiro's change of opinion on Donald Trump since 2016.
14:51 Concerns about Trump attempting a third term and the potential challenges posed by Kamala Harris.
20:35 Analysis of taking Trump and Kamala seriously but not literally
23:50 Debating Trump and Kamala's actions and beliefs
25:49 Peaceful transfer of power crucial in democracy
29:40 Discussion on potential election denialism and consequences
31:20 Potential scenarios of election outcome
34:43 Discussion on the potential threats to democracy under Trump and Kamala Harris
36:39 Trump and Harris display contrasting seriousness in their approach to world order.
40:03 Discussion on foreign policy implications and character question
41:49 Former generals describe Trump as incompetent and disconcerting
45:55 Trump suggested using military force against political enemies
47:38 Rhetoric in political campaigns is escalating, leading to polarized views and potential conflict.
50:40 Debate over Trump's administration and personnel
52:10 Disgust with Trump and left's hypocrisy, concerns about democracy and rule of law
56:07 Debate about Biden's fitness
58:09 Biden's mental condition
1:02:02 Different perspectives on Trump's truthfulness.
1:03:43 Debate on honesty and health concerns of Biden and Kamala
1:07:00 Analysis of presidential candidates within the context of institutional durability
1:08:22 Kamala Harris lacks a positive vision beyond being not Donald Trump.
1:11:59 Discussion on labeling Trump supporters and characterizing them
1:13:35 Trump's behavior and impact on voters' decisions
1:17:16 Concerns about anti-Semitic worldviews infiltrating Democratic party
1:18:45 Trump's foreign policy legacy highlights strengths in terms of unpredictability and positive outcomes.
1:22:31 Comparison of Israel policy under Trump and Harris Administration
1:24:11 Normalcy in politics is perceived differently by individuals.
1:27:22 Doubts about Kamala Harris presidency in the Middle East
1:29:16 Kamala struggles with balancing support for Israel and addressing Gaza conflict
1:33:01 Different perspectives on support for Israel and ideological differences
1:34:40 Democrats and Republicans approach political rhetoric differently
1:38:08 Trump's policy on Ukraine and the international rules-based order
1:39:57 Importance of multilateral approach in maintaining world order
1:43:25 Debate on American power abroad
1:44:59 Debate on American strength projection
1:48:32 Debate on Trump's behavior and its impact on American power projection.
1:50:10 Trump uses tariffs as leverage in trade negotiations.
1:53:32 Trump's negotiation strategy involves taking a strong position to create leverage.
1:55:00 Trump's immigration policy resembles his policy in term one
1:58:09 Recognizing past mistakes and committing to rectify them
2:00:05 Importance of acknowledging guard rails in the first Trump presidency
2:03:44 Importance of the 2020 election and the difference between the parties
2:05:26 Debate between Trump and Kamala regarding their ability to be good presidents.
2:09:07 Trump's lies and the impact on democracy
2:11:07 Impact of Trump versus Kamala on woke culture
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Bari Weiss is a great moderator and puts legacy media moderators to shame. This is how a debate between two opposing sides should be moderated....great job Bari.
Right? Piers is such a disaster.
@@TheDivayenta Not sure what Piers you mean ?. This was the first time I watched this channel today and was impressed by the two contributors and the moderator in particular.
@@dazuk1969 I think she means Piers Morgan(not this channel), but i am not positive
Think the main reason for cordial discussion is because of the two guests. Both listen then respond. Not try to talk over each other.
You don’t sound like someone who consumes “legacy media” like the New York Times or Washington Post, you sound like someone who skimmed Fox News and msnbc and reddit comments.
This is by far the best moderator of any debate I have ever seen.
No bias. Asked high quality questions and knows what she is talking about.
She was able to keep both sides accountable.
Made this debate so much better.
I agree. It also helps both Ben and Sam are just respectful and thoughtful friends even when they disagree, and just let each other talk :)
I disagree with the no bias comment, but she's certainly an incredible moderator.
No bias?...
Question 1.
'I asked Ben how he puts aside Trump's character'
@@sillygoose9070 I'm voting for Trump and I think that's a perfectly fair question.
Literally everyone has bias but she definitely tried and was very fair
This is probably the best, most articulate, most polite and thought-provoking discussion about politics that I’ve ever watched between someone with strong liberal values (Sam Harris) and someone with strong conservative values (Ben Shapiro). The host seems like she is someone that’s probably representative of an independent voter who has mixed values. Regardless of whose ideas resonate the most with you, I think this is a great example of how people that strongly disagree with each other’s political perspective should be engaging with each other. If people talked to each other about complex political topics with this amount of respect and politeness, I think the country would objectively be a better place.
I agree, and it’s all the more significant that Trump is clearly the better option for the country. Harris presents perhaps the most coherent and concise argument against Trump and for herself, yet it still falls flat against the facts supporting Trump. Ben doesn’t even need to go after Kamala here to make his point, although, at times, I personally wanted him to call out Kamala’sclear faults just as Harris tries to do with Trump. Overall Ben wins handily judges scores are 5-4 5-2 5-3 5-1. p.s. I am all 4 judges.
It's easy to be calm when you're not the person who will be most effected by Trumps presidency.
@@reagafranros a vote for donald is a vote for putler.
I think it is a dramatic reach to say that Shapiro has strong conservative views. He has completely sold out to the populist magas. These are worthless, garbage human beings, and do not have an ounce of traditional conservatism in their rhetoric or ideology.
@ ok let’s hear it. Please explain how you will be so damaged by trumps presidency, and please explain why you feel this way with some sort of reasonable evidence, otherwise for a reason beyond the rational world, you are only holding yourself down .
I'm a 30 year journalist. (This is not a photo of me btw). Bari Weiss became my hero with her NYTimes resignation letter. I still read and point people to it today. Uri Berliner runs a close second. Truth and quality storytelling, for God's sake, is what journalism is supposed to be about. Great job, Bari. Keep this stuff coming.
turns out truth doesn't pay the bills, but the war machine does.
@@markmoran9272 I agree 100%
Remember when she called tulsi an “Assad Toady” and couldn’t define it? Or claimed Trump/Tulsi was a Russian asset? She’s 100% a grifter.
She's a X io shill
Bro why are two internet celebrities better able to articulate the merits and downsides of each candidate than the candidates themselves.
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Ben is a political commentator. It makes sense for him to be good at this.
@@plesiolord1229 as if I didn’t know that. It doesn’t make it any less pathetic that we can’t get candidates who can speak for themselves.
@@stevenhawking6096both of these debaters are extremely intelligent, and articulate, no mater which one you side with. The world of politics, especially as you get to the level of president, is so nasty, dirty, and immoral, in my opinion, that it is extremely unlikely to get truly intelligent, intellectual, and articulate people, to fill those positions.
@@stevenhawking6096 would you hold the same standard for a race-car driver and the engineer of said race-car?
extrapolating a position you hold is really as simple as that; spend less time being stupid - education is free
The moderation is top notch - not too meddling but just light handed guiding/nudging the conversation.
They are all extreme Zionists so no wonder.
The Free Press and Bari Weiss are professional to the max ❤️
As she lets Sam filibuster the entire time. Give me a break
Only in the first 30 minutes and it actually worked in Ben’s favor! Later on Ben speaks equally. Read what people say, Ben convinced more people. She did her job, each person was allowed to answer the other
Also the fact she even invited these guests and validates people’s fears - I’m team Trump but look I know so many people who are terrified of him and don’t know how to vote. It’s fair that people are on the line. And now hopefully thanks to Sam being a bit ridiculous and Ben being very convincing, more people will vote Trump. And either way that we can understand the other side better and have less division and more unity
This lady is the best moderator I have seen in a long time, letting this two guys talk. Fantastic! Congrats!
Be careful. She is compensating for a serious critic of her awhile back. She is a New York Times Leftist who now is a moderator who needs to be pragmatic
No she ain’t.She softly baits Ben. But this is not Ben’s first rodeo. He knows what’s up
@@crownedgambitI'm a Ben fan and I didn't hear any traps just some hard ball questions distributed equally.
Crown, Ben is a huge Free Press and Bari Weiss fan. She didn’t bait him. She was tough but fair on both Ben and Sam. Love Bari and Ben and respect Sam. Subscribed to the Free Press
Totally agree. Love Ben, Bari and Sam. Subscribe to The Free Press to support her and more of this refreshing real journalism, so much better than the mainstream media, which literally cancelled her for being too fair and honest. No wonder Ben, Sam and Megyn Kelly all love her and The Free Press.
I'm surprised Sam didn't push this point further, but when Ben admitted that it was good that Pence stopped Trump from overturning the 2020 election, the obvious follow up was to ask if he thought JD Vance would have held his ground as strongly. Because if not, that's a clear difference between a first and second term Trump.
A third term? If he did it on behalf of another candidate that would contradict the assumption trump only cares about himself
You can tell Ben respects this debate with Sam, writing down points, which he rarely has to do when debating! Love to see it.
And Sam tells so many lies Ben has to try to keep up.
@@sarahkrippneriszenSam Harris is incredibly famous for his anti-lying stance. But nice try.
@@sarahkrippneriszenSam is known for his integrity.
@@MonsieurCashow he did say rarely.
unless you mean he does that most of the time, or something like that
@@rmmr1168 ah yes, like when he claims trum orchestrated and insurr, or lied about countless other things without shred of any evidence?
It was great to see Sam and Ben appear alongside each other in public after a long long time. Hopefully this is the first of many great conversations between REASONABLE folks on either side of the conversation and that the country is getting back from the extremes that characterized discourse over the last few years.
Let’s be real, it probably isn’t.
Nothing reasonable about Ben Shapiro.
@@abstract5249 soy
@@abstract5249 He is a good debater looking through the world with brown colored glasses most of the time. Says the context of books wrong, anecdotal evidence, whataboutism, can't even defend himself on the most conservative UK show from the crap out of his book. Born with brains and a good environment with at least an upper middle class family. He has no clue what it is to suffer.
He could be a reasonable voice for the left. He is smart. He just isn't a critical thinker. I do agree with him on some issues... same ones Sam does.
Sam... I agree with everything Sam says. He goes me to see the truth about Islam.....with data that I looked up myself and was floored at what I found.
You will never see a more honest and intelligent debate on Fox,MSNBC,CNN, or any other network. I want to thank you 3.
do some research, bari weiss is not an honest person
3 controlled ops
@ it seem like an honest conversation:)
@@hitch-tf5rh it's propaganda by 3 Israeli war hawks
It's funny how leftists allowed 15 million illegals into the country and then once they can't cover it up anymore and get away with it....Of course we need to fix the southern border, everybody agrees with that but OMG, no you can't deport millions and millions of the illegals....that's just not humane or the American way.
This moderator just made me subscribe to the Free Press
This is how an actual debate should look like.
You don't need the last word in your sentence. Brevity is the soul of wit.
No. This is not a debate if one side is a sniveling disingenuous bad faith actor like Sam. An ideologically captured person does not make a great debate, it is better to just explore his issues in a conversation the way KK and FF did. A disarming conversation where people can see how far into a rabbit hole a supposed intellectual can dig himself into. What a waste of time
what do we have here?
Three brilliant Jewish minds.
Unfortunately Ben Shapiro has lost a little sense, to support the convicted rapist..
@@hanzo2001holy projection Batman
But it’s not even an actual debate over Kamala v Trump. It’s a discussion where one side is a hardline Trump supporter who is willing to excuse anything Trump does and the other side where a guy recognizes all of the insane and dangerous stuff from Trump and is picking Kamala simply because she isn’t Trump.
Like what the fuck are people talking about? Sam did what he always does, provided a measured approach to laying out all of the moral, psychological, and political reasons why Trump is clearly not someone we want in office. Ben Shapiro just listed out issues he has with Kamala and argued that Trump isn’t as bad as his issues with Kamala.
This moved the dial for absolutely nobody because one side can say, “Ben Shapiro is like any other Trump supporting MAGA figure, excuses any and everything Trump does that is fucked up”. And the other side can say, “Sam Harris just showed his TDS for 2 hours”.
The comments here and on Sam and Ben’s respective subreddits only further prove this.
These are the kind of debates we need between presidential candidates. The “debates” we see on TV don’t even come close to this quality. Very good moderation as well. This was a treat to listen to.
Yes, exactly. We need CSPAN or PBS to hold a "ken Burns length" discussion between the two candidates.
That’s because the presidential candidates and moderators are morons compared to these two
For real. I just want both sides to actually challenge each other and be fine with that instead of acting like the other side is invalid.
@@mistere9099 That, unfortunately, is Politics. Never reveal one's weaknesses and use Machiavellian Logic to accuse their opponent of what they are guilty of.
These are also the kind of Presidential candidates we need.
This debate should've been titled Anti Trump vs Pro Trump.
I absolutely believe that the election is the same way.
we don't have a record of Kamala as a president, we have a record for Trump, so there is more data about Trump's incompetence.
@@Kuticul There's actually almost no data about Trump's incompetence.
There is no data if you’re ideologically captured. The Jack Smith case begs to differ
@@nealorr5086just remember to go vote on January 5th like Trump said 😂
2:09:14 What Sam Harris doesn't understand, sitting on his ivory tower, is that normal people don't get to care about these things about Trump, they have to care about putting food on the table. The Trump years were better economically for the average person and that's what got him re-elected.
The recent high inflation had nothing to do with Biden or the democrats. If anything, it was less because of him. People who voted for trump based on this one metric are clearly uninformed and will soon see what their vote actually means.
Presidents don’t control the price of gas, bread, eggs and milk. Supply and demand does. People complain all the time that prices are too high but if you turn on the news the next time there’s a holiday you’ll see them reporting on the millions of people FILLING airports heading to their favorite vacation destinations. Wait, I thought people were struggling to put food on the table?
28:59 Ben says "I agree" that there would have been a "constitutional crisis" if Trump had gotten his way and Mike Pence had refused to certify the election
40:24 Ben says "I don't think Donald Trump knows his own policy on Ukraine" and says he is "wildly unpredictable"
I just don't see how Ben can defend a man whom he admits nearly initiated a constitutional crisis and doesn't have a position on possibly the largest and most consequential ongoing major conflict between two nations.
Because his income is largely based on the continued massive grift of Trump supporters.
@@davisjones5489 because apparently An attempted coup means nothing. You don't go to jail for attempted murder, right? Never mind the point that Trump has explicitly run with a VP who says he would have gone along with that nonsense.
@@renholderm tbf biden did not want to step down at all. He said i am staying in the race until nancy and all the others pulled support and literally bent the sitting presedent to there will. Kinda pot calling the kettle black no?
Because his career depends on it.
Money
I've been waiting for this conversation for four years. Thank you Bari Weiss. Rgds from Holland, Joachim
It is easier to fool someone, than to convince them that they have been fooled.
The irony of a trump supporter saying that 😂
@@mentalglitch9603 The maga cult hasn't unlocked the "self awareness" trait yet.
This is a thought ending cliche just look at evidence and make a decision for yourself
@@mentalglitch9603 someone who agrees with MSM, universities, the govt, hollywood, big tech billionaires, vaush, destiny, neocons and iran believing they're part of the resistance is the real irony.
Trying to sound smart, but also adding an unnecessary comma in the middle of your sentence
This was a great listen . Thanks guys .
Although I do agree with Ben, it was nice to see two adults debate political views without resorting to yelling and name calling. Great job gentleman, and Free Press 👍
In some respects, the intellectual level of the debate determines the level of shouting, abuse and emotion, particularly on the left. Hence the calm, well mannered approach by all three. Well done, refreshing!
Not really Sam just bloviated the whole time.
Agreed.
Trump admitted to looking at naked minors on Howard Stern when he owned that teen pagent. You agree with that? That's no better than Diddy. You agree with that because Ben agreed to it by not refuting the claim. Please Answer.
Oh god sam got dogwalked here.
One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.
-Carl Sagan
"it is easier to convince someone of a lie than it is to convince them that they've been lied to."
I agree that many people are this way, but there are plenty of people who aren't, so it becomes more nuanced than that kind of sweeping statement. can you even make a statement like that if it were inherently true? I don't think so. you have to be able to see the bamboozle to even make a statement like that.
This is exactly it. Accepting the personal failure past voting for him twice is beyond most people. Better to burn down the country than play stupid and make up excuses.
@@g3nj1you want to see bamboozle, just go to anyone of Americas Universities. You’ll be bamboozled alright
Which is why Trump can get away with saying radical statements and nothing about policy for so long.
@@VexylObby hello CNN watcher. can you back up your statements with evidence? name one radical thing he said. his policies are very clear. deport illegals, secure the border, bring income taxes down to 15% to start with, no tax on tips, no tax on over time, use tariffs to create more jobs in America, drill for more oil in America to strengthen the petro dollar, stop the war in the ukraine and middle east. He historically got them to sign the Abraham accords and brought peace to that region when no one else could or thought he could once already, and he can do it again. That's only part of his policies.
here are Kamal's: use price caps on grocery stores(which any decent economist will tell you is disastrous), flip flops on fracking. can't answer a question with a clear plan or even a 'yes' or 'no'. she changes how she speaks based on the race of the people she's talking to. she is not the kind of person to lead if America was brought into war, which in Biden's administration new wars were started and the economy went to crap because of stimulus checks that caused inflation for the people while the politicians lined their pockets...
there is so much more, but that should be enough to start with.
I don't agree with a lot of Bari's politics, but I LOVE listening to her because she is a REAL JOURNALIST who is able to have discussions with both sides and report on the news WITHOUT injecting her personal biases. Well done, Bari!
Totally agree. And she’s let each person talk- and they were both smart, even though I didn’t agree on every point. Ben convinced me to vote for Trump, he makes excellent arguments based on logic, facts, results, policy, reason…
@@alysiaduemler2221 I am in the same boat. The left pushed me to Trump….I’m completely exhausted with all the Nazi hysteria.
She has forgotten how badly she was treated by the far leftists in our country. She has not learned her lesson - she is open for more hate from the Far Left Socialists. Her lifestyle has not gained respect of normal Americans.
@@KillerBrees she’s come a long way from that first JRE that’s for sure
Agree bring 2 educated people pointing out things we have asked ourselves. He wont speak on her obviously we know why. That for me trumps it.
I love how unbiased this moderator is... nt.
She is right.
@reeseexplains8935 she is right about what? Being biased? How can you consider yourself someone to be taken seriously if you're not willing to challenge yourself and ideas? Even if the moderator was biased in favor of me, I wouldn't think that's right. In order to find truth you make challenge your own opinions and what you think you know. The first step is the self awareness is knowing, the next is the open-mindedness and ability to be a critical thinker.
"She is right" is such a low iq non response. Right about what? The point of moderatoration is so there's a closer balance of the two sides speaking. Move on child, with your child brain....
@reeseexplains8935 No, she is not.
The free press is becoming my favorite quickly
Me too. I hate main stream media
it's abunch of "leftists" and liberals who turned on the left because it was too antizionist
Yep, A|Pac funded media made to cater first and foremost to interests of a foreign country is definitely the media channel everyone needs in the US. Weiss was doxing anti war protesters on her twitter account yet her media outlet is called freepress....got it
This is just msm repackaged they speak for the billionaire class not the average Joe
Berri is what intelligent journalism looks like.
I appreciated how while watching Harris debate Shapiro, Harris said he would've preferred Harris picked Shapiro
😂
That's ethnic nepotism for you. It would be beyond the pale for him to say Harris needs to choose a Chinese VP to appeal to the China Lobby.
The politition shapiro. Not this ben shapiro @@hanmoehtet
Clever comment! Well done.
I do think she made a critical mistake in picking Walz
No matter which side you land on - this was a civil, thoughtful debate. 2 hours of insight and perspectives from very articulate people. This is why cable news is dead. Nice work free press, Ben, and Sam.
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It wasn't that interesting, tbh. Just 2 hours of Trump bashing, I have heard this crap for 8 years at this point. I had to stop the debate halfway through because I could predict everything coming out of Sams mouth, it's just "Trump is Satan" crap again and again basically. For a man who doesn't even believe in Satan I'm not sure how he managed to identify Trump with Satan so strongly.
Too bad you didn’t finish because second half was much more interesting, Sam made much better points and Ben talked a lot more and was excellent
Civil debate? I can't fathom how Trump has been proven to lie over so many things. Accused of saying and doing so many horrible things. He's obviously dumb as rocks and so clearly if FoS. Yet, people ignore ALL OF THAT and say well Kamala is worse when they literally no nothing about her. The level of delusion in this country is insane. Its like everyone is brainwashed.
@@ianrust3785Why did he say that Trump is so bad? If you just focus on the "Trump is bad" part of the argument, and tune out the "why" part of the argument, of course you're going to be bored!
I need Ben Shapiro to come back on your podcast and tell everyone that he was absolutely wrong about how a normal yet flawed political party CONCEDES
I was looking for a comment like this. I stopped the video at him saying "So we all know trump is not gonna deport 12million-"
The person he appointed over this literally said that families can get deported too... as a snide clap back. I bet you he has said absolutely nothing about it. Or any of his loyalists. This is why people should stop taking ben shapiro seriously. The guy is a moron.
Its called the Free Press not the Accountable Press. What do you expect?
@@JJo1792”he’s a moron for not being able to predict the future correctly” cue the hundreds of times the left made claims about what trump will do and it hasn’t happened. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with deporting criminals, they shouldn’t be here in the first place. Such a weird thing where you guys argue with your emotions about it rather than argue about the legal side of it. Until it happens, stop making predictions.
Trump conceded in 2020, Hillary to this day still publicly says trump was illegitimate and doesn’t believe he was the true president. You can’t make up your own reality, plenty of leftists online were talking about the election integrity, so cope more.
Bari Weiss you are a treasure, and your moderation of this was beyond phenomenal, your insight into how to frame and ask the questions of both sides and to even recognize your guests and their opinions and have them speak to it was so masterfully done. Thank you so much!
100%!!!
She really is a treasure. 😊
Are you serious he is a joke
@@jamesredler2316 Bari Weiss is a she, not a he. And definitely no joke.
@@laurameszaros9547 Uh, oh, the pronoun police have arrived.
My Pillow Guy could become Secretary of Sleep
You win the internet today! 😂😂😂
Sam is so unserious. Mentions the pillow guy but not Elon Musk, RFK, Vivek, Tulsi Gababrd etc etc etc
What a partisan TDS hack
"I miss Mit Romney" the entire machine called him a nasty bigot. So we the people finally said f*** it, full send. cope doosh
And btw he is NOT a philosopher. He's actually an empty suit. Any decent actual intellectual would eviscerate him. Jordan Hall, Dr John Vervaeke, Dr Ian McGilchrist to name just a few
Secretary of Beducation.
hahahaha
That’s a good one! Cracked me up! 😂
Yes, she is a good moderator, but I think it is a LOT easier to moderate 2 relatively respectful and intellectual debaters.
Bari asks some of the best questions. Such a good moderator
GREAT MODERATOR, POLITE , DIRECT, AND ( Did not interrupt ) 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Very impressive. She set the tone
People saying Sam destroyed Ben, or Ben destroyed Sam are missing the point here.
This video is the antidote to that political thinking. Two smart people calmly demonstrating there points through an unbiased medium, so undecided individuals can go and make up their own minds.
but sam basically conceded the issue on foreign policy, he probably watched how destiny got obliterated by ben and decided it's so badly indefensible at this point.
Sam actually accomplished something deeper and more important than “winning” a debate, he exposed Ben’s intelectual dishonesty and gaslighting tactics. Ben kept trying to spin the indefensible, then pivot, and then go into an exaggerated whataboutism like “Democrats 2016, Russiagate, Hilary” even though Ben perfectly knows that it’s a false equivalency… shame on him for using disingenuous tactics just to score some “debate points” rather than being honest with your audience and himself. But the tragedy is that half of republicans are like this: they’re not cult members but they are enablers and collaborators, and they 100% know what they’re doing!
@@JohnnyBGood-vm7rxnot really. Sam won this debate Ben was just summarizing how Trump is great and Harris bad
@@emmanueluwaje4865 english might not be your first language or you have problem with reading comprehension so try reading again and maybe try adding some substance if you decide to reply again aight?
you're missing the point. debate is about forming opinions, not being spineless like you listening to words and not caring about what is being said, and only caring about civility.
So classy and respectful. The polar opposite of debates on Piers Morgan. I disagree with Sam's conclusion, but thank him for valuing honesty above winning.
That’s down to the guests
Honesty? Where? He claims he'd vote for Romney over Harris if that were the race. We all know he'd be calling Romney a racist just like Biden did during the 2012 campaign.
Morgan injects egotism into every debate. Sam and Ben can speak freely to each other without having to expend mental resources on couching their opinions or not offending the other person. Piers Morgan relies to some extent on pivoting an argument into a battle of egos with his classic "how dare you say that" routine.
How is Kamala honest or wholesome??? Look at her policies....
They mean the actual debaters and debate not Kamala. Ben and Bari and Sam.
With all the stress of the election, watching a normal respectful debate with fair moderation, no interruptions, and respect across all parties gave me such a sense of calm. At least we know there are some intellects on both ends. Both made very valid and persuasive arguments.
Credit to the host/moderator here. I usually don’t like when the moderator interjects with any type of opinion, but she was remarkably balanced when doing so. Subscribed 👍🏻
Would rather have these two running instead.......
Thought experiment. If Ben Shapiro ran against Trump for president, do you think he could beat him?
@@eja9539no, sadly, most voters favor fame and can't pay attention for more than a few minutes at a time, which favors Trump's habit of speaking in memes and tweets.
@@eja9539are you serious?
Sam Harris? No thanks.
They are running. Their mouths, that is.
Wish politicians could have calm, measured, respectful discussions like this.
watch the joe rogan trump podcast
@@erickdavid2412hahahahahha oh my god
Yeah I wonder who ruined the chances of that happening
Yes it's almost like when you call everyone a bigot and or a fascist for 20 years, there's just not much of a chance at that
@@jeremywolf4680 Conservatives can, just watch Vance.
Timestamps breakdown & chat 👇
0:00 - Flawed Candidates Debate Dynamics --- Debates now political theater, lacking substance for voters' decisions
6:44 - Sam Harris vs. Ben Shapiro Introduction --- Harris sees Trump as divisive; Shapiro values Trump's policies
13:40 - Character Flaws and Political Choices --- Trump distorted politics, challenging traditional moral and ethical standards
20:36 - Trump's Presidency and Its Impact --- Trump's non-commitment to peaceful power transfer threatens democratic norms
27:32 - Election Integrity and Political Norms --- Trump's election denialism fuels dangerous political division and loyalty tests
34:28 - Fascism and Political Rhetoric --- Trump's demagoguery likened to fascism, threatening democratic institutions' integrity
41:24 - Trump's Cabinet's Disapproval --- 40 of 44 senior appointees criticize Trump's incompetence, loyalty demands
49:56 - Demonization in Political Rhetoric --- Trump's pathological lying overshadows Biden's alleged dishonesty and fitness concerns
58:28 - Biden's Competence Questioned --- Concerns over Biden's mental acuity and campaign performance persist
1:06:56 - Trump vs. Harris: Foreign Policy --- Trump's amateurism contrasts with Harris's perceived lack of clear vision
1:15:28 - The Future of American Politics --- Trump's unpredictability seen as strategic; Harris's potential stability questioned
1:28:08 - Democratic Party's Foreign Policy Dilemma --- Harris struggles balancing pro-Israel stance with liberal voter base
1:33:33 - Ukraine and Israel: A Shared Conflict --- Democrats prioritize Ukraine, Republicans focus on Israel, creating foreign policy divide
1:39:02 - Trump's Foreign Policy Contradictions --- Praises dictators, disparages allies, undermines multilateral global stability efforts
1:44:38 - Character and Foreign Policy Impact --- Trump's unpredictability risks global instability; Harris's potential continuity debated
1:50:34 - Trump's Economic Policies Scrutinized --- Uses tariffs as leverage, not random impositions, despite tough rhetoric
1:56:28 - Immigration Policies Under Trump --- Harris criticized for border management; Trump's deportation claims deemed unrealistic
2:02:26 - Moral Obligations in Voting --- Voting requires informed decisions; Trump's character flaws deemed dangerous
Ask questions or read bullets as you watch: thedive.ai/v/cm5gbbypx0005ene83ezt3qzm?us=yt
This is one of the most refreshing debates/interviews I've seen in a long, long time. Both participants were respectful, thoughtful, and made good points, and Bari as the host was out of this world. Several times I started to construct follow-up questions or references to data in my head and she said what I was thinking out loud every time. She was completely ubiased and pushed both participants far enough to help them clarify their positions, but not so far that she became a third participant in the debate. This is the kind of journalism and reporting we need, and I hope it starts to replace all the clowns and propagandists in corporate media today.
You think Weiss was unbiased? Lol, who do you think she's going to vote for?
Couldn't agree more. Bari did an amazing job and I love how she was not one sided and took both to task.
@@sam-te1fu I don't care who she's going to vote for, I care how she conducted herself as a moderator in this debate. If you think she was biased here in her follow up questions or in some other way I'd love to see some timestamps
@@lukewilmington9807 You don't care who she's going to vote for? She's built a media presence claiming to be the voice of reason caring about Israel... yet, she's going to vote for the pro-Hamas wing of her party because she's too much of a coward to go against the tribe. The bias was obvious and ever-present throughout the 'debate'. If you couldn't pick up on it, you're part of the problem.
Literally every person is biased but I couldn’t tell you who she’s voting for as she nodded at Ben and was concerned about Kamala not answering questions and the wokeness but also concerned about Trump
This is my new “Gold Standard” of Journalism.
lol, bari weiss is shit. she's a trump/russia collusion hoaxer. she also smeared tulsi gabbard as a russian spy if you don't remember. not a good person or journalist
Sir you are a good goy ! good shabbos goy !! what do you expect a belly rub ? a few scraps from the table ???
@@Danverwaals chat gpt is mine, Elon Musk co-founded Open AI so I know it's got a slight right leaning, but even then it doesn't think any of Trump's policies benefit the average American, it accepts he's guilty of all the crimes, it accepts no evidence of stolen election, it accepts he r**ed a woman.
And if I ask it to prove it and show me sources and evidence it can actually do it
This is so far the BEST debate I've seen through the whole election cycle. Loved watching this and great job moderating Bari.
I agree! It changed me to vote Trump, Ben was excellent. Though Sam was also good and Bari was very fair
@@TeamUSA2024-l2y Yeah, and just no yelling and dumb stuff. It felt, not fake for whatever reason.
Fantastic conversation. Thank you to all involved!
This debate format is the only one we should use. You can honestly make an informed decision after listening.
Whod you decide? (Im still undecided)
Eeeehhhh.... Mildly I guess?
@@w.bi11y How can anyone be undecided? Are you a dogmatic socialist?
@@w.bi11y Harris wants to return to "normal" by electing Trump-is-a-Nazi Harris and Weird Walz.
Nah, she was covering for Sam objectively. 40:30 ... she shut that shit down real quick
Ben, Sam and Bari are class acts. I wish rather than resorting to mean name calling in the comments, people would be as respectful and civil as they were to each other. We need more unity in America and not so much division. I’m voting Trump and Republican thanks to Ben’s persuasion but have nothing but admiration and respect for Sam, who is good friends with Ben, and my Democrat-voting friends and family.
Oh! And I subscribed to The Free Press ❤️
Sam couldn't be "close friends" with Bullshit Ben. Ben has been dumping on Sam while grifting for his puritanical libertarian base and Sam has called it out recently. They also have very fundamentally different worldviews.
You still don’t get it, Trump is the people’s choice to give a huge middle finger to the globalists elite diddy fidlers. He was the response to 8 years of Obama’s American Apology tour. Obama promised hope and change and instead gave us changeless hopelessness. Biden was forced upon us and now Commielaw. The left are so for out of touch with reality and the hypocrisy is absolutely astounding that they can’t even understand why they are the ones propelling Trump to stratospheric popularity. 16 years of shear dumpster fire politics and games. People are sick of it.
totally agree, thanks for making this observation (with class yourself!)
Fantastic comment and decision.
Way more useful than the actual presidential debate
Nonsense. I learned a lot about how much Donald Trump loves animals.
At 1.25x, Sam Harris is possibly the most fluent American speaker in the world today. Can't think of too many more who can lean on such an extensive vocabulary to illustrate his points so vividly. Add to that his comical epithets of Trump and you get something close to absolute mastery
Yes! And as a bonus he hates Trump.
Sam's not voting for Kamala Harris; he's voting against Donald Trump.
Yeah, that's what he said. And... ?
And so what? That's perfectly reasonable in this case
Bro were you today years old when you finally realized that, thats how most election in a first past the post system work? Like your comment is just an indication of how low information of a voter you are
Yeah….he said that outright in his introduction. Great observation
And for the further slide of the country into the clutches of the far left -- once the flood gates are broken, its far too late.
Ben Shapiro, Sam Harris, and Bari Weiss… three people I very much respect. Thanks FP!
What's to respect from a fool who is trying to make points on his Trump Derangement Syndrome
Sam had lost my respect over the last few years. He was outmatched here. He barely spoke about Kamala. It’s as if the debate prompt was “Pro Trump vs Anti Trump”. I came here for a discussion about Kamala vs Trump.
It really feels like Kamala doesn’t have supporters, she has Trump haters on her side. I know from being a sports fan, the best athletes always have haters lol
Exactly correct. So sad and simply pathetic. Facts vs. Emotional doilies. I'm over it.
@@jakenbake9878well said! 👏👏
Harris is just desperate to try and salvage a career in a media landscape that doesn't want him. The left is insane and he knows it.
It's amazing that the 2016 Inauguration Day was been completely memory holed. I saw the footage, there was people clad in black blocking people at almost every intersection of downtown DC. Where did the 'Not My President' slogan come from?
Exactly! I was waiting for Ben to mention the riots and destruction by the left when Trump won in 2016.
Yeah when he talked about riots over a lost election I thought it rather made Ben's point. Look I fully expect Democrats to riot again.
What point does this prove?
@ScarSonic97 that there was significant political violence that day.
Yes also BLM and pro-Hamas riots!
Sam Harris gotta be one of the most neutral guys i ever heard, not in the extreme right, nor the extreme left, despite he is kind of identifying himself as democrat im this debate, he is also accepting the democrat party flaws
bcos hes reasonable
Everyone, no matter who you support, please watch complete interviews, read laws, etc. and don't vote based 10 seconds videos on social media!! Nobody is holding social media accountable for the mess that they have created with the echo chambers on both sides.
I can understand the abuse you feel however… nobody is forced to be on social media.
What you are proposing is called censorship… we have the right to say and hear all kinds of things… even outright lies. We should be smart and conscientious enough to sort through the content and reach our own conclusions. It’s called FREEDOM🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@pod8234 Not sure how you got to the conclusion that I wanted censorship but that is the complete opposite of what I meant. People can lie all they want but editing or altering statements politians make to change the message it's called fraud and is ilegal and unfortunately happens all the time in the news and social media. It happened to Mike Johnson not long ago on NBC. I want more information, not less. Google and FB can push whatever content they want but it should be known when they are doing it and when they are censoring or shadow banning others to favor one side and manipulate the voters.
I disagree on the echo chambers. The democratic side still live in the same one that has existed since the TV was invented, Republicans watch the same things they do except they also seek other sources of information. That's why I've always found it so impossible to discuss politics with them since Trump appeared.
@@masztaarcthis is entirely true. That’s why quite literally in 95% of my conversations with dems, they simply don’t know what I know about a situation, but I know what they know about a situation because it’s just the mainstream media’s lies. When I tell them new information, they always say “that’s not true”, as if they’ve never heard it. It’s because most of them read a headline they like and take it as fact and look no further, and republicans, while they do that do, generally will look into the actual information and see what both sides say about a topic.
@@masztaarcif you find republicans the problem to discuss things with you may be confused what it means if they watch msm AND other sources to increase the objectivity and wider POV
AND it is for that reason democrats remain in the echo chamber of msm that has indeed been not the whole picture and remain there where it is worse than ever
and so it is democrats that are almost impossible to speak with rationally without a devolution to a tv show pov like that spit out emotionally like the show “the view “
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Wow. Fancy--a long, measured, intelligent debate between diametrically opposed pundits without hysterics and screaming and insults. There may be hope yet. Thank you, Bari Weiss.
There isn't...
Sam is NOT Noam Chomsky. HE is a pretend intellectual who has emerged in recent years.
shapiro is closer to sam harris than he is trump. he just pretends on tv and isn't an insane person.
What makes this debate watchable is neither the host nor the two people debating interrupted each other. Take note people, even though you disagree with the person you are debating you give them the opportunity to share their views.
Watched it after the election - and found it to be very entertaining.
Sam is obviously losing the debate.
I was WAITING FOR THIS without realizing this was a thing!!!
Thank you Bari for setting this up. These two smart gentlemen are respectful enough of the conversation to say what they think and allow the other person to speak fully and completely. Great work.
Great debate!
Sam, you’re right character does matter. I’ve never forgotten Trump making fun of the disabled journalist. There is something deeply flawed and dark about this man. All I see is shadow projection.
I think Mary Trump has some of the best insights from a family of origin perspective.
Ben, you did an excellent job of trying to defend Trump. He’s fortunate to have you on his side. Would that he were worthy of it.
What a fantastic video. They both did great job
So great to hear a debate and not a shouting match. I feel much more informed on the issues in American politics. Thanks.
Wow, great discussion and Ms. Weiss was a phenomenal guide through the murky political soup.
This debate resembles the sentiment on Reddit. There are only two voters in this election. For Trump, and not for Trump.
That's not true at all. I don't know what sub reddits you follow. Just because Sam Harris is voting against Trump doesn't mean there aren't people voting in favour of Harris' policy
@@andrewvo8395they're both against Trump. One has simply turned opposition into a transactional acceptance. Shapiro has bartered away his morals and principles in exchange for the most generous support of the corrupt Israeli right wing establishment. Shapiro is essentially as corrupt as Trump because he actually knows he's doing wrong.
@ yea I know there are a 1-2 people voting for her. You’re taking what I said too literally.
@@MostLucidplease tell me what policy? She copied trumps policy and changed every single one of her beliefs and morals…..
@@MostLucid lmao that's funny af. I agree also, harris is by far the worst person to ever run for president
This is one of the best debates I've heard in a long time. Well done.
AMAZING moderator. Really balanced and unbiased. Great job!
Yes, she's great
she literally takes a minute trying to persuade ben at 54 mins lol, terrible mod
She is Pro Harris
@kevinwoods9274 eh, Bari is extremely biased, but not in a way that would effect this debate. If they were debating over the ethics of blowing up school children in Palestine, she would be harshly discriminatory against the side that argues for universal human rights.
@@justifiably_stupid4998Took the words right out of my mouth. The Gaza discussion was incredibly discouraging, if predictable. All three members of the discussion are essentially AIPAC mouthpieces
Never heard of this channel before. Though i have heard bari's name. This is an amazing debate. I am now subscribed. Thank you.
Just don't make comments against Trump since they will be deleted...
19:58 but he is supporting a person who rose money to help rioters, those who destroyed not just private property-business , cars, etc, but also federal and state buildings? How can that make sense to his argument?
@@AlysiaRosenand then says “but my calculations say…” He’s lowering the bar so low, and then raising it super high for the dem party. Can’t take him seriously with the outrageous double standard.
The FBI and MKUltra set up Jan 6 - part of the script that included Covid MIND VIRUS (after Freudian/Bernays'ian toilet paper crisis - can't WIPE YOUR PRIVATES, have a diarreah MENTAL MELTDOWN!). we have been PLAYED for CENTURIES! the flouride and GRAPHENE are WORKING!
What about the defund the police rioters and blm rioters??
That's not quite right, lots of people who were protesting but not breaking the law were arrested, and deserved legal representation same as everywhere else
How about Biden-Harris and their support of BLM and pro-Hamas rioters? They have literally raised money for BLM rioters. Additionally they have done NOTHING about those poor kids on university campuses getting violently attacked. Will you be consistent or only condemn if it’s 1 side?
I really like the civility between these two. Every thing else aside, I like that their back and forth was respectful.
Kudos to Bari Weiss for moderating this.
Such a refreshing debate. No personal attacks, no going off the rails with distractions and "what abouts". You stuck to the topics and discussed. Thank you!
Kind of true. But now I also want to get Ben Shapiro to actually stop the whataboutism “both sides did it”-- no. Stop equating what both presidents and both parties do.
You won’t find 1 moderator better than Bari. Very fair. Smart girl
completely agree
Hahahaa. Is she still trying to cancel college professors??
Oh you poor thing, you must be fun at party's.
Oh the same girl that called tulsi gabbard an "assad toadee" please....
Woman*
Remember when ben said Jan 6th was the worst thing to happen to America since 9/11? Then he had to start glazing trump again to appease his viewerbase. His facts care about his viewer's feelings.
Probably realised that was an absolutely ridiculous take, and in fact we saw far far worse with the 8 month insurrection orchestrated by the Democrats the previous year
@@RoadHater he must have forgotten the 8 months of death and destruction enabled and encouraged by the Democrats known as the “summer of love”. January the 6th was an obfuscation from that.
I think you meant to say October 7 was 1000 times worse than Jan 6 and I agree with you.
I just watched Kamala’s concession speech. How refreshing. Where’s the election results denial you promised us, Ben?
Something something "But she didn't concede on the same day!" something something is all you'll get out of that crowd.
@@alexrhughes you have a thing for Ben don’t you? The denial comes later. Clinton was the same. Spent the next chapter of her life shaking and yelling at Russia.
@@Abcd-k6i The point that Sam made is there has never been a democrat (and probably never will) who pulls a Jan 6th. I also honestly don't see another Trump from GOP side either. Anybody who still claims Trump didn't lie about Jan 6th is merely delusional at this point. Regardless of how Ben tries to justify it, he has flat out said election was NOT stolen, period.
@ I have a thing for someone who thinks Shapiro’s stumping for the right somehow makes him more courageous or legitimate than Harris’ nuanced and non-partisan views. Only one of these men’s careers is contingent on their loyalty to a certain ideology. Imagine if Shapiro ever decided to support a democratic nominee.
@ they do not line up with his views. He is there by principle. Harris goes whichever way the wind blows. He isn’t above anyone because he isn’t religious. I take Jordan Peterson’s view before either of them and that has nothing to do with politics. You mad that he debates ideas with Sam cordially? He isn’t attacking Sam? Are you that devoted to Sam that no one can challenge his ideas?
Ben is such a polite debater! He does a great job not getting emotional and interrupting!
Brilliant debate from a brilliant channel. Well done
It was not brilliant. Sam Harris marginalized everything that effectively countered his narrative. That is not brilliant. It's a con.
Time stamps would be great!
This is one of the best, most important debates I've seen regarding the presidential election. Thank you, Free Press.
Totally agree
Yes!!!!! Bari Weiss = Awesome.
@@adamonweb9186 Shapiro should've destroyed Sam by making him talk about how stupid and authoritarian was to put Harris as president nominee when nobody ever voted for her!
For all the talk about Trump being a dictator, the democrat party is the actual dictatorship! without the will and vote of the people they decided for them and picked Kamala as a nominee!
And Sam is ok with this??? Laughable...
@@dtgb7 Primaries aren't necessary and not a legal requirement to run for president. I don't remember people voting for RFK jr. According to your logic, RFK should not be running since he ran no primaries, he just popped out as an Independent (I know he eventually dropped out). But all this to ask you: should RFK jr not have been allowed to run because he had no votes? Not to mention, people can still vote for the general election which is what actually matters. You act like there is no other choice, and be honest: why do you even care who the Democratic candidate is? It's not like you wanted more option for the general election because you'd vote Trump no matter what.
You talk about dictatorship from democrats while Trump literally called for the termination of the Constitution, said he would be a dictator for a day or on day 1, sent fake slate of electors so Mike Pence could count them, pressured Mike Pence to reject the certification of the vote, I could go on and on. But I'm really curious if you think its authoritarian for RFK jr to just run with no votes.
@ why do primaries exist??
Thank you Bari! Perfection
Great job Bari - Ben and Sam. This is what I came to The Free Press for! Exactly what I want to hear/see/read. For me Ben won me over - but I want/crave this type of discussion and it has been missing for quite a while in our media. Thank you Free Press/Bari
Don't be fooled. Just look at the surface, complete with fake ONAIR sign, and international clocks
Such a professional manner in which to debate. I respect both Ben and Sam.
It's incredible how two people can disagree so amicably on such big topics, it's something you so rarely see nowadays, and NEVER in the MSM.
I don't get this reaction. What's is yalls problem with a passionate argument? The wussifiction of people is mind-boggling
They didn’t say anything about passion. You can be passionate and not constantly interrupt and name call. That way you actually LEARN
@alysiaduemler2221 i can learn from either. Why can't you?
Ok well awesome 😎 but sometimes people yell so much at each other you can’t even hear them.
@@Mr.Braggadocio - Yeah I don't get your reaction either to be honest. I'm saying it's refreshing to see two people debate a topic on which they disagree with an aim to actually reach some kind of a consensus, whereas on MSM the aim appears to be to make people yell at eachother. If you think the former is a 'wuss' approach to debate then I think we will have to agree to disagree :)
Absolutely brilliant. Thank you guys.
WOW This is not a discussion I expected to see.
Terrific debate. Intelligent, measured and respectful. Kudos.
Lots of comments claiming winners and losers of a 2+ hour debate...half hour after it's posted. People, it's ok to watch the whole thing before publicizing your preexisting opinion. 😊
Listen to it in double time
@@ShimonLobelbut didn’t
@@ColdBrewBiker I mean the lies in the introductory article read by the moderator said everything you need to know about Sam's intentions here.
Hard to listen to Sam speak slowly, with dumbassery.
It's hard to get through Sam Harris.
44:49 what Sam does not say in this reply is most revealing. The fact that who chooses not to disagree with Clinton about the deplorables. To me I sense Sam does see them as deplorable.
@@greenbook67 I was thinking the same, he does his best here to carefully not condemn her for the comment because he CLEARLY agrees with her.
He does
He's a clown. J6 was not a peaceful transfer of power, but 2017 was? Rioters set DC aflame when Trump was inaugurated and Obama weaponized the DOJ, opened an investigation that not only hampered the transition, but went on for the majority of Trump's presidency. He's a partisan hack.
That’s the issue with liberal thinking. They do view the otherside as less morally virtuous then themselves..
That’s a zinger … I can’t read Sam’s mind.
General millie also said that "I want to understand white rage, and I'm white."
General Millie used to hide the nuclear codes from Trump. Millie is a bad person.
love how you guys hate cops and the military now because they try to cool trump down lol keep it up hahahah
What did he mean by that? What is the context?
@ManicMindTrick he is speaking in the context of critical race theory and defended teaching it in the military. When he was speaking to congress, he blamed January 6th on "white rage"
Underrated comment 👏👏👏
This was excellent, political discourse. Including the incredibly fair and deeply probing moderating. I’m going to do some more researching of Free Press videos before I’m ready to declare this unbiased useful reporting but if they’re all like this, I’ll definitely be subscribing. Just very well done.
For context, I’m definitely more in the Ben Shapiro camp as far as opinions and the way I think about these issues but total respect for Sam Harris’s perspective, logic and communication.
Did Harris just say it's okay that Biden can't debate, can't interview, can't campaign for President, but he's okay in the White House situation room during an emergency as long as he has enough time to think through the problem?
Sam believes that individuals do not make decisions - institutions do.
He has faith that Biden has never made a unilateral decision in the White House.
@@justifiably_stupid4998right and this is a categorial error on Sam's part. When thibgs get really bad and a critical decision must be made, we need a single capable individual who can make the call. We need that if only for purposes of accountability.
Honestly, anybody who trusts institutions at all after that one virus I won't name needs their head checked. Sam put all his chips on institutions, he lost big time and now can't afford to turn the ship of his worldview around.
@@bbainter7880 It's reality. There's a reason you have a cabinet and a legislative branch. The same is true for Trump. It's how the system is supposed to work. Presidents can issue executive orders but they're supposed to be limited in scope. However successive presidents from both parties have increased the use of executive orders in recent years, largely because Congress has been relatively deadlocked. Unless you want the president to be a king, which is quite obviously not what the founding fathers wanted (some people did want to make Washington a king but he refused and established the peaceful transfer of power), then the institutions are vital.
In reality, it is the experts within the administration who make the critical decisions that apply to their area of expertise. The president just signs off on it.
@@justifiably_stupid4998 problem is that he spent the entire debate insisting that this will not happen if Trump is in office