Fix Your Broken Tactic
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- Опубликовано: 12 апр 2023
- I have had a fun time playing Football Manager 2023 -- but my goodness I have shifted through tactics left and right to try to counter what the AI is always adapting to. The 5-at-the-back systems that the AI seems to love on this FM were running riot, and the attacking ability of the 4-4-2 was very difficult to contain.
This video is the result of A LOT of tinkering to be able to counter the threats these tactics pose. We found ways to handle all of them in an effective way, for any tactic, and it should do enough to help you build your own Football Manager tactics to handle the new AI this year no matter how good those alleged wonderkids you signed actually are.
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Zealand if you're keen on making more videos elaborating the instructions like how lowering the tempo to decrease turnover, it really helps to understand how and why certain instructions will affect the gameplay.
Yeah I need a video like this
Thank you Zealand for fixing my broken tactic but can you fix my broken marriage?
Just give your husband some flowers
Quit fm
Bit late to the party, but have you tried loaning some new players in?
@@glennb6020nice
Would love to see you try Herbert Chapman's late 1920s WM formation (3-2-2-3) that Man City amongst others seem to be bringing back in to fashion.
It was totally OP in FMs a few years ago. (my last played fm was 2020)
It still is. Not the formation but that 3223 box midfield. Made my recreations of Arteta's double box middle and peps 3241 box. The xg for both are insane but the peps so far is better.
I really enjoy recreating historic tactics to be viable in modern FM
3421 with CWB(a)s is pretty decent in FM23. forms a 3-2-5 in possession to overload the opposition backline and offers good rest defence against most formations if you pick your DM roles well
@@welshsonic6879 I was raised on fm13 xs there's no CWB
Appreciate the positional analysis per role, as it relates to passing out from the back - creating a tactical breakdown that has real world value. Nice work!
The visualizations for different roles are fantastic. More of that please!
What a video!! Great tactical analyses👏🏾🔥
I need more of those instructional videos to assess how to make a system better. Sometimes I feel like I'm not able to even spot weaknesses and also said gaps on the field and/or interpret them in the right way.
Right now I'm on a loosing streak and I'm giving away my my run for the promotion. That's really disappointing.
Was having an absolute stinker at the start of the season, as you said, teams were playing 442 and consistently the DLF would hold up play with one winger and the other striker both running at the second CB. Tried a few things but wasn’t finding any results, recently decided to just remove the “step up more” option for my defence and now I’m keeping clean sheets every game
Okay, but remember when you yelled at chat for suggesting your DM had no passing options and you were like, “Look at all the space over the top!” That DM was set as a Half-back on defend and your tactic was set to shorter passing.
Wow this opened my eyes to the game. I always looked for such explainations like this @ the end of the video. Would be so great if you make a whole video of this type. for me its much easier to react. Thanks mate!
Love this and much love from Taunton 😁
This came just at the right time. Just lost 5-0 to Aston Villa (who were relegated to the Championship) in a friendly playing my best XI against their under 21s. Am supposed to be finishing mid table in Serie A. Time to click Gegenpress and pray.
Thank you, was really struggling with teams beating me with lofted inverted crosses and through balls, I think I am sort of in control rn with a few reactive adjustments.
Thank you zealand, for giving me the tools to be a better FM player. For years i've just been f-ing around, sometimes succesfully, more often not. Then i discovered your channel and it helped me understand the game so much better to the point that i now actually feel like i know what i'm doing :D So, once again, thank you!!!
nice to see you still do videos on Football Manager
this is probably the best fm video ive ever seen
Arccam (with guides on FM Scout) here to comment that 0:26 had me rolling on the floor Laughing and that if I saw that on the opposing line up. I'd press Play and go do something else because I don't believe there is anything I can do to figure out the opposing tactic.
Edit: Agree with everything in the video!
I play with Spanish side Hercules Alicante now in my second season and since I took over we played 40 games. In those 40 games we only conceded 13 goals won 32 games, got 7 draws and lost 2. I play a 4-3-3 possession based style. Last season that was with 1 CB def and one BPD def, 2 wb on support. Midfield is with a HB a mezalla and an advanced playmaker. One inverted Winger one Winger on attack and a complete forwarder (sometimes when my second striker comes in we get a Target Forward on attack). Now this new season we play with 2 CD's on defend because the BPD is sold to Zaragoza. We play with a mid block do not stress to overlap on the wings (but they do it anyways. Depending on the strength of the opponent we ask to regroup (against stronger teams) or press (against weaker teams). Goalkeeper is a sweeper keeper on support and has the task to play short but I do it with kicks instead of rolling out, this makes sure he does not play short balls when the opponent is pressing high, than he kicks or throws it to the wingbacks. I also always look towards players with a relative proper score in vision.
IWB can be a good outlet and extra man in midfield if you are playing out against a good pressing side
That real life blunder at the end stole a genuine laugh from me, even though I had seen it before lol
yo Z. the 4-4-2 is my nemesis in my Kaizer Chiefs save but I've realized that when I switch from a 4-3-3 to a 4-2-3-1 whenever I play a team with a 4-4-2. and so far it's working, but thank you for the video
Love this content. The channel "Evidence Based Football Manager" does a lot of great statistical analysis on the impact of different aspects of FM, could be worth investigating and seeing what else could be learned.
Thank you so much for leading me to this channel. Just watched the latest video on recovery sessions and I love the channel already!
I recently got stuck in my Groningen save. this video is actually coming at exactly the right moment for thx for the help.
You're likely stuck due to a poor recruitment strategy and financial illiteracy.
don’t even have fm and have never played but i still watch these vids lmao
Woah the info dump on this one video. One thing that made me absolutely pissed is players who made mistakes from where it starts don't necessarily get penalized with lower rating during the match, becaue often penalized rating will go to the final defender / goal keeper. If my midfielder pressed/tackled incorrectly, the runner will be free to cross to another player, chance created etc etc. Watching 'where did it start'' will definitely help.
Would be cool if you did one for breaking down a 5-back defense. Can never seem to get through these other than sheer luck
As someone that likes playing 5atb, most goals I concede are from overloads in the channels with a cutback pass. So, in other words, a 433 with Mezzalas and IW/IFs, or a 4231 with overlapping WBs drawing my line out, or just blasting over the top (if they're playing a high line, this is pass into space).
@@thatissomeBS ah thank you, this makes sense in theory. I suppose in these scenarios I’ll have to evolve from my beloved cm(At) and switch to a mezzala. Probably doesn’t help that I’m trying to upend the Scottish league and my below tier players suffer from an unshakable case of infinite stupidity and horrendous ball control
@@442tactics Look for the outlets to start with too. If they're playing 3412/5212 that opens up the FBs/flanks to distribute to; if they're running a 343/523 you might want to distribute to CBs or bypass the three and go straight to playmaker, especially if you have something of the like in DM.
Mentality: Attacking or very Attacking
Forwards that drop deep pull them out of position (complete forward, deep lying forward, false 9, even pressing forward - support), make sure you got runs from deep to exploit it.
Two videos in one day holyyy
This is an amazing video
@2:13 Accidental Missed Apex had me in stiches. Trumpets: Actually, it was the tread on Grahams tires that lost him the grip of the surface that produced the mistake, you see he flatspotted them kicking an advertising hoarding in the 28th minute.
I find when playing a 433 DM you could use the DM as a DLP and ask the CB to go wider in possession that works in beating a 4231 with a 4 man press as well. The pro I find in this is that the DLP still assist the defense and also the midfield as a passing option further up the field and able to counter press effectively. I call that role an advance HB 😂
What may help achieve proper spacing is having you Fullbacks on support or attack or even using Wingbacks
I've played 5-3-2 in this game since the 80's haha. It is the best tactic by far, 5-3-2 with fullbacks not wing backs but attacking fullbacks and the 3 midfielders in a straight line in midfield, non of this fancy nonsense!
Also I have every single player specialise in positions they play, yes it takes time but it is also worth doing. Do NOT just put players in positions you have set in your formation. This way by having 3 midfielders (this I also do with my 2 forwards) Each plays as the best for their stats in each of the 3 midfield positions so those 3 positions maybe a deep lying playmaler and 2 box-box but it changes by each player so AI can't counter. So no need to lose formation familiarity but you can sub on an attacking midfielder for a deep lying playmaker, a pressing forward for a poacher etcetera etcetera without changing formation and having the detrement of losing familiarity. It really works
I also rotate constantly so the AI can NEVER know what i'm going to do, Yes my formation is the same ( I have three 5-3-2 formations trained, normal,attack,defence) This system takes a while to implement and has to be tweaked (giving new player their personal roles) every time you get a new first teamer.
Good vid. Couldn’t find an iron for your shirt?! 😂
more of this please.
Hello Zealand, awesome video as always. Not sure if it is because I’m still playing FM22 but I don’t find a 4-4-2 that hard to play against. The way I found to do it is to press really high and man mark the four defenders plus the central midfielders. The result is that by pressing really high the other team always goes for long balls and it also helps me win dead balls and second balls. Not sure if man marking in FM23 is still effective but, anyways, great video!
I just now found out about the position for the GK...goodness gracious
I'm playing 3 tactics that essentially are all the same. Tactics A is a 4-3-3 and tactics B is the same formation but with the defensive midfielder playing as the centre back in a back 3 and the full backs playing on the wing back position. Tactics C is the same like the 4-3-3 but the CM-A is playing as a AM-A so he starts from a higher position and it's easier to exploit the spaces between defenders in a back 3. I can transform tactics C too by simply pulling the defensive midfielder back and the full backs forward.
Team instructions are just there to fine tune your tactics depending on your team and your opponent. Way more important is to find out how to cover spaces and how to exploit spaces. And this has to be done with formations and player roles. It dosn't matter what you want your players to do in open spaces if you don't get them in open spaces in the first place.
Yeah I think the claims of the ai improvement are grossly exaggerated.
The 442 has given me more wrinkles during this FM than Z’s shirt
How can u make this game just look simple ahah
Love u zeeland❤
I think my problem is all of this advice is very situational and, though I understand why you apply these solutions, I can never figure this stuff out on my own when playing.
Hey Zealand can you make a video to get rid of Deadwood (players) and a video how to sign wonderkids on a low budget/lower league club? Would really appreciate it.
Zealand is a genius
Actually every midfield role drops depending on the opposition defensive line. I played against Liverpool and odegaard who was my engaunche was dropping to receive the ball from my DM because the Liverpool line was high, so it probably did look like he was going to defensive. Also, I think player intelligence works for this too. I've had my mezzala on ATK enzo le fee, drop to receive the ball from defenders and he has get further forward ppm. This one pissed me off to no end actually. I think there are more factors responsible like the overall shape and role combinations but player intelligence does shine in FM 23. Also, box midfield, is deadly on FM 23 as it is IRL. Tested with my Arteta 433 recreation and my Pep 3241 tactics. They offer passing options against and midfield. Beat liverpool comfortably 3-2 should've been more and the second goal they got was an own goal from Gabriel. Stupid Gabriel.
wdym by box midfield, as in having a box of 4 in the midfield to pass to? Also, how does that work in a 4 3 3 and a 3 4 2 1
@@swiftz75 yes. Box shaped midfield. Two players in the half spaces and two midfielder. In a 433 you can do it the way Xavi does. Make one winger an IWB on support with sit narrow and roam from position. Shift the DM to the opposite side of that winger. Turn one midfielder to CM on ATK or Mezzala on ATK and the other midfielder on role or duty that restricts their movement forward. Or same shape but leave the left winger on winger on su, DM to the opposite side, left back on IWB ATK and the two midfielders on ATK duties. You'd get a box shape. Did I say 3421? If I did, I meant to say 3241. It's still possible with the 3421 though.
if you wanna counter 4-4-2, which is still arguably the most broken tactic. You can use two widebacks and three ball playing central defenders , two defensive midfielders, two offensive cams, and one striker. Basically, a 5-2-2-1
when i play i cant see enything really changing when i use other tactics it looks random
does Zelands "Peacock" of 7/3 formation still work?
You are so good at what you do Zealand, never change
Against a 4-4-2,is there any way to make the goal keeper the third man when using 2CB’s in FMH??
And what to do when you have 20 easy chances for your striker to finish yet he cant put the ball in once despite having 17 finishing
I have a question for my save why when I start with a club like Liverpool is the budget only 5 million pounds
Where did you find that Bonaire shirt?
I use Gegenpress with a 5-2-1-2 with Hellas Verona
As someone who’s from Bonaire, I’m absolutely baffled you’re wearing a shirt from our little island😳
Beautiful island! He visited there recently … loved the diving and the donkeys 😊
Sean Mcgurk the ginger jesus
A man called Ogwuru scoring against QPR in injury time to make it 3-2 is kinda insane
Chat gpt told me to do this though
Tactic Name: Total Dominance
Formation: 4-3-3
Style of Play: Possession-based, High Pressing
Team Instructions:
Mentality: Control
Team Shape: Fluid
Width: Wide
Tempo: Quick
Defensive Line: Slightly Higher
Line of Engagement: Higher
Pressing Intensity: Extremely Urgent
Player Roles and Instructions:
Goalkeeper (GK): Sweeper Keeper (Support) - Distribute to Center Backs, Take Short Kicks.
Right Back (RB): Full Back (Attack) - Close Down More, Cross Aim Far Post.
Left Back (LB): Full Back (Attack) - Close Down More, Cross Aim Far Post.
Center Back (CB) - Defend (x2): Close Down Less, Mark Tighter.
Defensive Midfielder (DM): Anchor Man (Defend) - Stay Back, Close Down More, Tackle Harder.
Central Midfielder (CM) - Support (x2): Get Further Forward, Close Down More.
Right Wing (RW): Inside Forward (Attack) - Roam From Position, Close Down More, Shoot More Often.
Left Wing (LW): Inside Forward (Attack) - Roam From Position, Close Down More, Shoot More Often.
Attacking Midfielder (AMC): Advanced Playmaker (Attack) - Roam From Position, Close Down More.
Striker (ST): Deep-Lying Forward (Support) - Move Into Channels, Close Down More, Shoot Less Often.
Team Instructions:
Build-Up Play:
Play out of Defense
Shorter Passing
Be More Expressive
Play Through the Middle
Attacking:
Work Ball into Box
Overlap Left
Overlap Right
Look for Overlap
Transition:
Counter-Press
Counter
Defensive:
Higher Defensive Line
Use Offside Trap
Get Stuck In
Set Pieces:
Mixed Attacking
Mark Tall Players
Stay on Feet
Key Attributes for Players:
Goalkeeper: Good Handling, Communication, and Reflexes.
Full Backs: High Stamina, Crossing, and Tackling.
Center Backs: Positioning, Marking, and Heading.
Defensive Midfielder: High Work Rate, Tackling, and Anticipation.
Central Midfielders: Passing, Vision, and Work Rate.
Wingers: Dribbling, Pace, and Finishing.
Attacking Midfielder: Creativity, Passing, and Off The Ball.
Striker: Movement, Teamwork, and Composure.
General Tips:
Encourage players to maintain possession and build patiently from the back.
Utilize the full width of the pitch to stretch the opposition's defense.
Instruct midfielders to support the attack and provide passing options.
High pressing and aggressive tackling should disrupt opponents' build-up play.
Encourage wingers and attacking midfielder to take on defenders and create chances.
The deep-lying forward acts as a link between midfield and attack, creating space for wingers to exploit.
Train your team to improve tactical familiarity and player attributes relevant to the tactic.
Remember, football tactics can vary depending on the team's strengths, weaknesses, and the opposition faced. Adjustments may be required based on your team's specific circumstances. Experimentation and adaptation are key to achieving success in
I play 4-2-3-1 with a False Striker since FM 19 and the Ia hasn’t figured out how to stop it
Yeah the ai formations are all terrible. Easy to make loads of different tactics in seconds that will beat them even when they have much better players.
Please send this to Roger Schmidt, the Benfica manager
Nice shirt try a aruba shirt too!!
you should do a video about the cheap fm fake “soccer manager”
Won't be surprised if he sings the Loan song for the entire video without actually talking about the tactic icl
YOU HAVE OGWURU IN YOUR TEAM? he took me from the championship to the premier league once before
Bald Zealand looks like jonny williams
i dominate the ball but my team have stopped creating chances
Zealand they have added microtransactions to the ps5 version
Suggest sharing this video with famous FM streamer Zealand so he can ditch his broken 451 that has stopped him getting promoted from the championship for the last 3 years 😂! Get onboard the Double segundo volantes you know it makes sense. Much love.
No way you were playing against a Frank Dsadjout-Boulaye Dia striker pairing
That's full on Serie A relegation zone ball
What shirt is future zealand wearing?
Insta like after the youtube boxing roast
Ogwuru scored vs qpr for 3 2,and his name kinda sounds like aguero lol
1:57 not really, every team except PSG and Lille has like 0.3xG. The problem is that I consistently have the same, sometimes I have 0 shots at half time. I don't mean 0 shots on target, I mean literally no attempts
Crossing? Doesn't work. Counter attack? Doesn't work. High press? Doesn't work. Slow build up? Doesn't work. 5-2-3? Doesn't work. 4-3-3? Doesn't work. 4-2-3-1? -19 clear cut chances
Ugh, how the hell in less than a year did i go from:
- yakuza 7
- FF7 Crisis Core
- fire Emblem engage
- final fantasy Theatrhythm
- more vampire survivor
- Forza Horizons 5
- Resident Evil 4
- Neon White (and i mean, spend 15+ hours on it)
- some tekken 7 (those tekken 8 trailers have been spectacular)
To now playing football manager -.-
I dont even watch soccer... I play tennis and watch basketball.
Ive most definitely spent over 40 hours in FM23 only to hate the K League to then switch to the bottom of the scottish ladder ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I also have problems with long balls. Any suggestions?
Delete the game and wait for next version. SI don't care
Make your defence sit narrower to prevent the opposition going through your defence. Or use 3 center backs
In 6:01 If you get highlights from turnovers, why would you change it? Depending on how you have your highlights set of course. Doesn’t highlights show things that specifically work well?
Depends on what kind of highlights you set to watch
Upping the tempo is for on the ball stuff. You'll still get the turnovers but your players will react to getting the ball and get up the pitch more quickly
@@alexslater8583 but if I’m getting highlights I’m also getting chances
@@DennisSFors but u could get more
One of the few things I don’t like about FM is how powerful and viable the 4-4-2 is. It’s a pretty bad formation irl, easily countered by most teams. That’s the reason no top tier team has used it in the last two decades. But in FM it’s not only viable, it’s annoyingly good.
Simeone took Athletico Madrid to the Champions League final twice playing 4-4-2. Hell the Argentina team that just won the world cup played in a 4-4-2.
@@lewisrowden3544 At. Madrid is not really 442 I would say. Cause usually they become 433 on attack as Koke/Saul/Llorente move to central miedfield and Carasco/Gaitan/Lemar stay wide. Same scenario with Argentina, on attack they tend to be 433 as Messi drop as number 10. But both of the team use 442 as defending tactic so it's true they use 442 but not really or truly old style 442.
@@lewisrowden3544 and another note is when Carletto took Madrid Winning UCL, he used 4312 as formation sheet but in reality it becomes 424 or 442 as Di Maria/Isco/Bale move to wide area.
@@bimapriambada1098 You're arguing semantics- players at any level don't stand statically still in neat lines in a 4-4-2 when attacking. Players move and find spaces in the pitch. I reiterate my point. When they got to the Champions League final in 2014 Simeone's Atletico played with 2 orthodox strikers: Diego Costa and David villa, and four defenders and four midfielders behind. The same as Argentina did with Messi and Alvarez against Croatia in the semi. Yes, Messi playmakes, but whether you call it 4-4-1(Messi as Trequartista in FM terms) -1 or a 4-4-2 (Messi as DLF(s) or False 9 in FM terms) doesn't really matter. Teams at the highest level still find success with 2 forwards and two solid banks of four behind.
Also, if you're interested check out the tifo video from a couple of months ago on the subject. Their point in it is that fundamentally formations relate how teams line up defensively, and a 4-4-2 is always going to be an effective out of possession shape.
@@lewisrowden3544 One thing is that a lot of teams use a 4-4-2 in low pressing scenarios , like Man City, another is that it's the main formation they use throughout a season or even a match. But saying both Simeone's Atleti and Scaloni's Argentina play mainly 4-4-2 is a big reach. Both managers are very pragmatic and change formations often to counter the opposition, so they have used a 4-4-2, but a 4-3-3, a 4-3-2-1, a 4-2-3-1 and a 5-3-2 as well. And that analysis also doesn't consider how much they change offensively , you can't tell me that Di marìa is gonna sit on the same line as Mac Allister offensively or that both are gonna play in the same width.
Can you fix Chelsea
Did chat GPT write this?
help there's a bald guy behind me right now
I play a 442 diamond.
Alternatively: Replay the game until it goes your way!
@Broder Truck It's been a long time since I played (FM2010) but I used to limit myself to 2 replays when I was learning the game. It was interesting to see how differently games could play out with no tactical changes made. Later on when I knew the game better I'd fly through a season in just a few sessions and replaying would've just interrupted my flow! I was more interested in progressing rather than individual results.
Theres no fixing that hair line
Go Hokies!!
What I love about FM is that the number 1 reason for why you suck is because you're too lazy to read and look up what different things do.
Guys, please recommend me a new affiliate club for my Arsenal save (2024) pls.
Also, love you Z
Step 1: Ask chatGTP
How about the players actually played the game instead of faking it, they fake success as well as problems. Why do they constantly just hit the goal posts instead of having those extra centimeters on their side and furthermore why is the other team always scoring if your team decides to just fall apart for whatever minor reasons SI can come up with.
I just come from a game where one promising player got destroyed since "i failed to play him in the right position", nope i didn´t but try to argue with the game about it, impossible.
Well, thats easy for you to say lol.
Its funny how the guy who cant get promoted to the PL is trying to teach us how to overcome tactical issues....
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I’m having some trouble understanding the appeal of this game
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@2:54
I feel bad to use this 4-1-3-2 formation now 😂
First use in the previous fm, it complicated to go back to classic formation after that 🫡
just go 4-2-3-1 gegenpress and youre fine