We waited over a Year for this RC Car...!! Meh...
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- They've had over a Year to get this New Brushless WLToys 104002 right, but they have not! Seems like a Money Grab to me. Yes, I had fun with it in the end, but it's over $200, and has a sub standard Brushless System in it. Come on WLToys, you smashed it with the 144001, and 124017 etc..
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quick (albeit rough) way to convert KPH to MPH is drop the zero multiply by .6 so 60 kph 36 mph. quick C to F is double it and add 30. So 18 C would be 66 F. You're off by a couple of degrees and mph but it's close enough for the girls I go out with.
"I don't think I'd pay over $200 for it" that's the problem with anything from China these days. The prices have gone crazy, specially shipping. I was going to bite on a EX86110 at $300 CDN with free shipping then when I went to buy it a few days later it was $350 + $124 shipping and now they're all over $500 cdn. Now even the HG P407 in KIT form is almost $400.
Diffs are sealed (but arrive empty, need shimmed and are not very long lasting).
CV joints are very weak (weirdly thin near plastic bit)
Turnbuckle pop off from driving (not just crashing).
Carbon top decks are available and stop flex
Id suggest looking an LC racing 1/10 instead if you want a cheap 1/10 buggy.
I tried to love mine, but I just couldn't enjoy it.
@SOLO MASTER try diffrent wheels to see if they are unbalanced + check if the CV shafts are bent (might be worse with wheels on than without) + unlikley, but maybe the diffs are causing the problem and skip when there is resistance?
No doubt wltoys will take note of your honest valid opinion and review, I'm pretty confident that they will release a pro version 2 with the proven 60amp esc they used in the 1204 and a stiffer chassis,
yup, I think they pay attention fairly well.
If the motor don't need 60 amp then it's pointless .. it's just more useless weight .. going on about kv is meaningless with out motor size going on about less amp esc doesn't mean the esc isn't better .. take it to a track number instead of some stupid over grown feild and let me see u even need the maximum speed .. you won't because you won't drive well enough to get round a few corners ..
@@Bogues_88
1: You`re wrong.
2: Nobody`s taking this thing to a track.
3: Learn to spell.
LOL I love those fake engine sounds as it goes whizzing by. I do enjoy the comedy aspect of this channel.
Haha, cheers dude
@@TomleyRC request? grab a clip segment of Jeff Dunham's "Peanut" doing the zheooom sound to patch in.
@@modelnutty6503 Downloaded.... good shout! Forgot about Peanut haha
@@TomleyRC rock-on! he's got a few different ones.. inflection+duration.
leave Walter's wife's cycle out of it, we know the sound IT makes!
I like the way this guy tells it like it is & calls a scam a scam / money grab!! = SUBSCRIBED‼️
Just another whinging pom .. I know lots of em .. complain about everything but don't go back where they came from.
They need to drop the prices of these ASAP! Shame about the chassis flex and delay but put those issues aside its a decent buggy and pretty quick and more than enough for most people! Like others have Said the brushed version may be the better option with a brushless upgrade. 😎👍
Yeah, they are pushing the prices too far. And I’m sure they’ll lose some sales and customers
bought mine 2 years ago and yesterday i bought a 124007 and i love it
You say the 104001 is a bit of a letdown but honest to god my testing against an associated b74 showed it to have a TON of promise for the price. It DOES need upgrades, for sure, but as a starter chassis it can work fine and for less than the cost of a roller from the big boys.
That pointy stick and sound effects makes me chuckle 😄
😅… I have a body here for you (not mine I’m afraid)…. I’ll message you at some point 😎👌
@@TomleyRC No problem :D
Too much bendage …Small ESC…Shame about delay too.
Good honest review again Phil👍🏻👍🏻💯👊🏻👊🏻
Yeah, why they put a 45A ESC in is beyond me 🤷🏼♂️
Carbon chassis like the Rlaarlo and 80A 3s capable ESC might see me getting my wallet out😳👍🏻
@@madmatt2769 bingo. 1 mm thicker chassis plate and 3S ready with a solid 60A would be worthwhile. make a "plug-and-play" car available as a package for less. they're right there already for wholesale price on ESC+motor and steering servos, I'd rather pop a FlySky in it and play with the settings from there. not hatin just sayin (lol)
@@modelnutty6503
Totally agree more plug and play, like the 3s Arrma line.💯👍🏻
plenty of room in there for a more capable ESC, hobbywing ish more reliable…🤔
Loads of room for larger motor as well to push it along better.👌
Not hating but disappointed WLTOYS haven’t listened to users ie bendage/delay etc.😂
I was really hoping when wltoys started bringing the brushless versions out that they would of made the NECESSARY improvements to this one, I would of paid the price that there asking if they done that but I definitely wouldn't go out and pay that for how it is, other than that though a great video bud
@NOTREALLY HANKAARON yes I have lc racing also, and definitely better, buy
Definitely a big price difference compared to the 104001. Probably cheaper to upgrade the 104001 haha 😄 great video mate
That’s true. I love my 104002. But not everyone knows how to Upgrade or is just too lazy to upgrade. Hence the 104002 is a good model with a price tag which is 20€ too high. Maybe inflation and shipping shortages also affected the price.
personally i dont think so, i had loads of issues trying to convert it to brushless, (mainly because i dont have much experience with modifying rc cars). i absolutely hated the glued screws because i had to drill them out and buy new parts. but it works now so im happy.
It needs to be at least 25% Cheaper really
@@TomleyRC yes true…
Shame about the price, unless it's on a deal it's worth spending a few more quid and getting an ftx vantage 2.0
Yes. The Vantage is a good buy, and you could almost get a cheap brushless set up for it as well for the same cost
I just purchased the FTX Vantage Brushless model for £199 and it does around 40mph out the box.
@@TomleyRC Great videos!! New subscriber. Please tell me which wlToys buggy you think is best all around?
I finally got mine yesterday had the carbon fiber top braces waiting for it
That’ll help 👍 It’s a fun buggy, just could be better
Wow I forgot all about this one. It’s been ages. I can’t believe the top brace wasn’t added.
Recently got a emb-mt and have put 8 fresh batteries in it and in that time have done about 2 dozen high speed cartwheels mostly on asphalt. The only thing I've had to do is pop back in those links a few times. Bought some extra link ends in case the sockets wear out. When I go out I have zero anxiety about breaking stuff and having to wait on spares. True enjoyment.
Yeah, I am going to second your meh. I have mentioned this before a local R/C'er bought one of the WPL 14th cars and that buggy was shocking for speed and smooth operation. The flex in this one is like it's a half finished chassis missing the top brace. And no not over 200. As usual, a candid to the point review. Thanks Phil.
$259 on Amazon in the USA. $139 for the brushed. Seems a little much for the brushless.
Maybe they could start making brushless ready rollers and put a little more money into the chassis. Honestly, I would like to see more rollers out there so you can just plop in your own electronics.
bingo. offer with a decent quality standard steering servo, a decent appropriate ESC+motor combo that they can get bulk over there anyway. a "plug and play", "just add Tx/Rx" version.
if you upgrade from there you can still use motor+ESC for something else.
that is what would move them more hobby class desirable.
1:27 Phil is RC Prodigy!
(Clarkson's voice:"he's created, a first.... of its kind, one and only, someone could call this a layer chassis.... but its not,.... it's a chassis...on to of a chassis!!!... in the world!!!"
ha ha ha ha 😅😂🤣
How cool does it sound!?
(mistakes and lack of sense was on purpose) 🤣
Some of you don't know this but Tomley is secretly Captain Britain and had a superserum injected a few years ago. Normally the rc car wouldn't bend. It's just Tomley's super strength.. he's just trolling us
I am indeed Super Human 😅
Not a bad performer but definitely overpriced, my links popped off as well too easy after some jumps. I made mention to my viewers at the end of my review if they already have the brushed version, don’t bother with this one, or better yet by the cheap roller from Makerfire and add your own brushless system
This one should be tested in a carpet track in a 1/10 buggy race. Sure will performs really well.
I'm still impressed with the 1/12 v2 using the right setup and dumbo radio, i keep battling the top 8 in the friday night buggy race, racing versus Schumacher, associated and jconcepts.
Gotta love dumborc!keep racing bro🙂
With a bit of setting up yeah, probably be okay. 👍
@@TomleyRC that's what makes this hobby awesome 🙂
@@TomleyRC yupyup, carpet or packed clay track type car for sure. still agree pan should be thicker more rigid, 1 mm could do some wonders.
Even that throttle delay might be a good thing for carpet.
Bought it 2 weeks ago,it's fun and fast
Yeah, they are not bad, just could be better
Is it as fun and fast as the 144010?
I wish they do more of the 10428/12428 type trucks, I love them trophy truck looks 🤣
dont underestimate the 45A ESC! i r un a 1/9 scale(yes, i know, stupid scale) truggy on a 45A ESC on 3s, making stunts and wheelies, and it run since 3 years now without even shut down because of heat even once.
Hi tomley! The esc is the exact same esc as the 1/12, they just put wrong info on the box, if you compare the esc it’s the same, the motor size is a 3650 which is larger than the 1/12
I agree they missed an great opportunity to improve. Greats action shots at the end dude!
Great overview as always. Good honest info to help anyone looking to buy. 👍🏼
Cheers dude 👌
Buy or not to buy, this is the question:) Does this model can be controled in the air during jumps ? It flies well, but how to control the model before adding or removing gas ? THX
How about delay when you press a throtlle.
@@TomleyRC
An honest review. Always appreciated.
Such a shame that they spent all that time and money to produce a lemon. Thanks for the honest review!
I have always recommended the brushed version of these cars, they are much cheaper, the electronics work perfect and are responsive but the brushless ones are much more expensive (for crappy electronics anyways) and the throttle delay is annoying af.
I know right? I've NOT bought more than a few brushless versions for that reason.
The generic motors and random looking ESCs always worried me... and pricing them I could cheap out on a motor, get a random esc, and still come out ahead of the one that comes with the brushless versions of these cars. Bonus: I have the stock parts to put back should something explode. Yay redundancy!
@@TheActionBastard I don't have any off brand Rcs, but when it comes to motors, cheap generic brushless motors usually work fine for general bashing, but I never had luck with any unbranded esc. Tried 5,6 of them and all died within 3 packs and never worked as they should. Not too many options other than hobbywing
People don't understand the difference between sensored and sensorless brushless motors .. then think things are crappy .. you get what u pay for
@@Bogues_88 what are you talking about, all traxxas and arrma vehicles use sensorless brushless setups and they are snappy and responsive as a spark
They could have fixed the chassi flexing easy, but they didn't. It seems like they just don't care about this model so spare parts might be difficult to find once they stop manufacturing it.
Yeah, so easy to fix, but they did nothing 🤷🏼♂️
It like something you would find on eBay being sold for parts, but it's brand new.
The buggy is not so bad after all, but the price certainly doesn't help =/
I have the brushed version of that buggy. Got 2 of them for 100 each.. Modified one for track racing. Used some LC racing an xray parts. Same drive train minus brushed motor. Not bad for the money tbh.
Drives alright in a straight line.🙃Tomley. I I have a Golf GTi,I am so glad it drives round corners as well as it does in a straight line.Vrooomm.LOL.✌️
REDCAT are the same when it comes To the turnbuckles and Camberlinks they all pop on pop off I both love and hate them😂👍
Yeah, it’s good as it can save anything else breaking… but annoying popping them back on all the time!
@@TomleyRC when you’re lucky enough to find them, the steering links can be short 😂
I dig the look of the buggy, that is about it on my end, its sharp looking, mechanically it's a big nope! Nice truthful information as usual brother!
I enjoyed the video. I think you evaluated it correctly. As you know, when the turnbuckle pops off and it happens more than once to the same ball cup you might as well replace the ball cup. I thought it was unusual for the camber link to bend to that extreme on that surface. Thanks.
Yes, once it’s been off a couple of times it will keep coming off. The bent one I think popped of then got caught when it hit the ground and bent.
It makes me sad that that old one is just laying there... I'd love to fix it... It would be an amazing first rc...
I'd buy it off ya.. like that kind of work as well..
O well I guess.. hopefully u like it again soon.
WLToys had so much succes with the 144001 because the could mostly copy the LC Racing EMB, and build upon that existing and solid design. But making a good 1/10 scale is a different challenge.
they look like they just scaled it in their software. Literally just stretched parts and changed nothing else. Thicker plate? Nope that'd be effort, just make it longer. They didn't add reinforcement or anything... like "can we use the same sheets of metal we're already using for the other cars?" was what some bean counter asked the engineers. You can't take something for 1/14 or 1/12 and just... stretch it and hope to god it still works right.
@@TheActionBastard Indeed. While the original 1/14 design by LC had enough "headroom" for that scale, 1/10 is just an entirely different ball game. The forces and stress that parts are under, are much higher, due to the bigger size and extra weight involved. Plus a company like WLToys will probably use cheaper materials where they think they can get away with it. Like I've never seen a tie rod being bent that much, not even on well used vintage cars.
This is not true at all, they did not just "stretch" the 1/14 versions into this 1/10 car.
This is a design based on the x-ray b4, it's almost identical, the LC racing 10bl is also a clone of the x-ray.
The design itself is brilliant, the x-ray version is an awesome car.
@@hundredeyes4596 Ah, thx for the clarification. I mixed up some things with the 1/10 scale cars, as LC Racing's first 1/10, the truggy, was mostly a scaled up version of their excellent 1/14 buggy. So I assumed, since WLToys cloned LC's 1/14, they had done the same with this 1/10. But the 1/10 buggy series is different indeed.
I am waching this a 10 pm at night👍Second viewer
Middle of the day here 👍
yippee the hand is back lol
I still love the brushed one, I have my 1/14 scale as my basher but the 104001 is my track toy, as long as you use them for there intended purposes there great!
It all comes down to personal preference with these buggies, I think they are ok for what they’re intended for . But the prices are creeping up and it’s not the value it once was . So there are probably a lot of other better options out there depending how much you want to spend .
That is a bit pricey but seemed to run alright 👍🏻🍻
Yes, it all that bad… just expensive
I finally got the 1/12 scale buggy brushless I love it =) =)
no one has had center shafts pull out that I've heard of. it's the small things,diffs need shimming,center diff would be nice.
ive upgraded my 104001 (the brushed variant) to brushless about a few months ago and now they have come out with a brushless model. 😭it has a 4200 kv 3660 moter and a 60 amp esc capable of doing 3s. 29 tooth pinion.
They’ve not changed anything else… so you are not missing out 👍
I'm putting a surpass hobby 3650 4500kv with a 60 amp ESC in my buggy with a stock pinion and trusty old dumborc! Went through 2 ESC ,s in brushed set up early version with no fan.
@@blitzrc4713 can your esc take 3s?
Honestlly , get the brushed version , slap your own choice of electronics ( i would go for a 3660/3670 not the 3650 amd a 60-80A esc ) and you will end with ~the same cost or even cheaper ( you can sell the brushed electronis for ~30-40$ ) and have a much better buggy .
Slapping a surpass hobby motor+esc and a dumboRC radion + some servo into a brushed version would make so much more sense then getting this one. i have a 124018 converted to brusheless with a 3650 3900KV + 60A esc with a dumbo and a 3.5KG fast servo and that thing is a rocket ( 50mph on 2S and 80mph on 3S on a basher is crazy ).
Does a brushless setup "run in" and give a little bit more speed? My guess is that it was a half arsed effort to keep up with the market mostly moving to brushless but sometimes on a budget set up tried and true is the way to go.
COOL ITS INTERESTING
VIOLENT! I like the name. ☺
doesn't seem bad but is what it is too. a top center brace would have been nicer. maybe they got called out on their ESC's and they re-labelled accordingly? pretty close on box label top speed, fast enough for playing on a clay or carpet dirt track. just maybe they've been paying attention to us some?
I liked your idea sandwiching 2 pans, scuffing epoxying clamping 2 glass ones would be very solid, its low CG weight and rigidity increases makes sense. if they used stock that was 1 mm thicker it'd improve it a bunch, is also something they could do going forward and immediately with ease.
fair little review of it, its not a basher.
Hmmmmm. Lower amperage ESC for a larger higher Kv motor!? Same bendy chassis and £70 dearer than the brushed version on Banggood. Your not really selling it to me Wltoys. 😨
Best review man
I wouldn't pay that sort of money for a WL Toys, when you can get one of the Maverick trucks/buggies for the same sort of money; they're almost-certainly stronger and you don't need to wait for parts to come all the way from China/Banggood.
On 11.11 I got this for 137 bucks shipped!
Uouuu manooo esse e grandão 😍 nossa e muito rápido 😱
Considering this is a potential track car, rather then a basher, what out there presents better value?
Yeah its quite pricy 259.99 us if you order from Amazon.
Hey Tomley, looks like you're fed up with the 104001? You might consider to give it to me as I have a project to finished. I need it's whole front part. Cheers😊
Wonder if thos diffs will fit into a vrx truggy. This ones have 4 spider gears the vrx only have two .
They should’ve made a 1 mm thicker chassi or a 3650 motor in this
Ftx Vantage Brushless. Similar money.
If an RTR doesn’t come with ALLEN! Keys in the kit, it’s officially bad.
I fitted the option carbon top deck brace to my 104001, this really stiffens the chassis.
It's garbage.
Your about to have 2 broken shelf queens! Keep it on smooth flat surface & ya maybe ok. Is it even worth upgrading?
It looks like an Xray XB4!! So when the parts break, I wonder if you could substitute the Xray parts in?
Great bashing and review, Phil! 😃
But yeah... For that price I'm out. 😬
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
nice Clio,rest is naah
Thoughts on the new 104072?
It seems to be the same thing under the shell and looks like they just threw on a new shell with some trim and loads of LED lights… I’d love to hear what you think!
oh yes i wanna see this
160 pounds right now I think I might buy it
It’s good to see them making an effort at 1/10 scale. And if you need upgrade parts pretty much all LC Racing 10b5 parts will fit. Agreed that the price makes this not work it. For those turning these into speed run cars they’ll probably opt for the roller anyways.
Cheers on the review & I can’t wait to get home from bermuda to review the MT10! (Btw your shirt made it to me in time to wear it on vaca😎)
Awesome.. hope you have a good holiday (unless you are working in Bermuda) 😎👌
@@TomleyRC all play & no work lol. I did bring a few drones 😎
A small Bendy Wendy Car 😂😂 or your stronger than you know 😂😂
100% Stronger than I think 😅
@@TomleyRC Jono, your number #1 fan, sand you are a bit strapping lad 👍👍
I have the 144010 brushless and I love it. But I have doubt on this one. Better for waiting the 104019 brushless I guess?
I think Rlaarlo is better.
Yeah, the smaller scale ones are nuts! Love them
Hi Phil such a shame a good truck COULD of been so much better. Like u said all depends on price. Have great weekend SIR 🇬🇧✌🏼
Yes, they had over 12 months to refine it and make it better
You should do a Clarkson review now that would be different
Haha, yeah
I’ve the 140010 and the throttle delay ruin but luckily a cheap goolrc transmitter and reciever cured it for £25 free post
It is more comfortable to drive against the clock on the flat track than to deliberately break in jumps. Of course, if you want to repair your car all the time, then you should jump a lot.
The hyper go 1/16 is much better this one looks more fragile kinda eh
Is the 1/12 124017 better / more fun / faster?
Hey Tom, what would be the best way to stick that gsnn in the rc cars?
Does this model can be controled in the air during jumps ? It flies well, but how to control the model before adding or removing gas ? THX
How about delay when you press a throtlle.
beautiful bit rlaalro has faster the tougher brushless rc car that moment ( 1/14 though)
nice buggy,BUT why can't they give there rc's names instead of a pocket full of numbers 😦👍👍
It does actually have a naming scheme.
You would have thought they would have sorted chassis etc out considering that including yourself there are plenty of youtubers doing vids in their products 😉. Does seem overpriced somewhat compared to some of their previous cars
Yes. Cheap chassis brace and at least a 60A ESC
Wltoys has went bonkers with their pricing, no way are they worth the money they're asking. What a shame 😣
Tomley, when will you please review the WPL and RGT cars?
I can't get past the weak chassis. If they'd at least equip it with the carbon fiber chassis and at least a 60 Amp esc, I might be more interested. I've got two wltoys and while they're fun after a few upgrades, it doesn't take long to become disinterested. The metal gearing and plastic quality could be much better. From what I've seen, they mostly just try to copy other brands using cheaper materials.
Every time 🤣👉🎺
Maybe on 3s mate? 🤔 But I'm not sure It has the strength to handle 3s, who knows maybe at least for a while, after all, It took a nice beating and the chassis did not bend this time, also I been thinking that maybe the Esc on the 124016/17 Is also a 45a only, I have a 3650 4300kv waiting to go in my 124016 v2 but I wanna see first what can the 2845 4300kv can do with a "better" Esc and I use this things "" cause Its only a kk series surpass 80a not even a hobbywing, but still I wanna see how Its going to work, Its just the Esc hasnt arrived yet, back on topic, It maybe better to get the zhunter brushed and then make It brushless, that thing seems well build and I think Its only 99usd and it's also 1/10 scale and It doesnt look bad at all, maybe even better than this one on my taste, any way cheers mate hope you have a great weekend!! ✌️
Tomely would you recommend the Arrma Big Rock? is it a good all round basher, and most importantly, is it durable, because I will bash it HARD
IVE NEVER seen the chassis flex that much….! What are you doing to make your chassis flex that much??????
Hi do you know off hand if it has same motor mount as 104001 also what stock pinion does the 104002 have?Tried to finnd this info.
Hi. Do the tires fit on the Wltoys 124008 or are they too big?
Would like to try bigger tires.
Hey tomley, that wltoys are good but the quality is not that good because l have a wltoys 12428, and it breaks every time and now there is a big delay on it too. Therefore l am trying to buy a mini crawler so l have two options, buy an axial scx24 or a fms fcx24. What would you recommended?
Seem shor when that got released it was £90 on aliexpress as I was going to get one as like the 124019
That Rlarro company put out that carbon fiber 14th for 200usd brushless looks ok but 200 is too much and somebody needs to help them with the names of these company's
Hi Tomley, have been eyeing the WLT 104002 & maybe a HSP 94107 pro, you have any advise which is better to buy in terms of durability & parts availability. Is this 104002 good since it has a metal plate below the chassis that should help with the flexing? Me and a friend goes to track where most are driving 1/10 buggies, he wants to get a WL 124008, which i think might a little small compare to the rest.