Can you race with DJI FPV? Evan Turner flies the 2019 MultiGP Qualifier Course
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Can you race with the DJI FPV system? I gave it to Evan Turner (HeadsUpFPV), one of the fastest pilots in the world. His answer? Yes, you can race it. And it's, "a game changer," for live broadcasts. But that doesn't mean racing pilots will be so fast to give up analog.
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"I just saw a bug fly by and I could see his wings." - Evan Turner
That drone was thinking “finally, someone’s letting me fly!!”
Evan Turner is so impressive, not only with his super-human flying but such poise and insight! Thanks Joshua! Great video!
YEESSSSSS!!! This is the kind of thing I've been eager to see with the DJI system. There is no pilot I would rather hear from testing it than Evan. Awesome job.
Plus, did you see how gorgeous that Mid-America Throwdown gate looked in HD!?!? :)
MCK would be the true tester but he would not make it through the first turn ,, would be impossible to fly DJI at this speed I believe ruclips.net/video/KzX4Lw2FZU0/видео.html
Can you make a video about your experience running the qualifier and comment on your times etc...(guessing it may already be coming?) Glad to see you out doing some racing. Enjoyed this topic a lot. Perfect quick test that gives a lot of information.
It's a game changer. This is what was missing for those race videos. Live footage is the way to go.
Super interesting for us racing pilots. So awesome that you just happen to live nearby one of the fastest pilots on the world. Great video. Thx
Man dude, i have never seen a better pilot, RESPECT
Have you tried using aftermarket antennas on the goggles yet
Thank you so much for this. I can see the winds of change are starting to blow. It can only get better from here.
I don't know about you, but Im super stoked! HD is coming and maybe in a few years I may be able to afford it... Fatshark said they will come out with thier system soon. The tech is moving so fast, looking at my CC3D stuff to now, amazing stuff.. Cool video Joshua 👍🏻🍻👊🏻
The „yeees“ at 00:29 cracked me up
More quality content from a quality dude! Thanks Joshua!
seeing even hold something with a botgrinder sticker is blowing my mind
What i took away from this film as well.
Would love to see Evan and Thomas in a final somewhere.
Who is Botgrinder anyway? Never heard of her.
@@omgwtflmaololrotfl2368 shes a treat.
Great video, enjoyed the racing aspect, i am sure you'll get to flying with focus mode off soon, i'd be interested in seeing how that looks!! thanks for the video!!
Thank you for this video. I watched Tommy's video...and while I definately appreciate it... I was like WTF! your on the same same channel. Good to know some one else picked up on that.
kwboost I think tommy should take that video down as it’s very misleading.
@@eparg1 how? he said it was the same channel and a failsafe from someone powering up a vtx is new and interesting
kyzafpv that is nothing new or interesting if you have any knowledge of RF. Of course it would failsafe. Crossfire would do the same thing if you blasted it with a VTX transmitting on the same frequency.
But do you know that something is going on at that frequency when you're NOT using the digital system?
Also, no, Crossfire would not be affected since it would just hop to a different frequency. Like a FRSky or Spektrum radio.
That's funny because I almost commented on Tommy's video that same thing! 🤣
Great video Joshua! Thanks for sharing
We flew 25 fixed on gq and all laps where recorded in addition there was no issues, focus mode off, recording off only on goggles
Joshua enjoyed your test. Always interesting and informative my friend. Please keep them coming. Cheers and happy after flying:)
Great stuff, Josh !! so much interest in this system, as it is a first, and a quality product at that. This is a real world test with a real world race pilot. not a complete review, but still offers great insight into the systems real world operation. Thanks !
Hey Josh, just found out there’s a Kakute f7 board with plug and play compatibility with the DJI system and you can plug in up to 6S, it’s called the “Kakute f7 HDV”
Yes, there are several of these coming out and I am looking at them.
Joshua Bardwell I’m excited to be able to have a plug and play system with 6s since I’m not the most tech savvy! Thanks for all your material, you have a really good channel
Good vid josh. I know kwboost down here in Louisiana has been testing the dji setup on a racer. He seems to like it. From what I’ve seen it looks great but of course I think it’s still a bit big for a race build but that just my opinion. But it seems to work depending on the track I would think.
Evan rocked that quad man,
No doubt. Very impressive for just picking up someone else's quad, especially a heavy 6". Maybe that makes it easier, idk.
It's quite possible to have the IRC LapRF pull down a custom frequency, or use the E/F closest neighbor that would match up a little bit better. Also possible to lower the RSSI threshold to get it there... but yeah, those are all kinda minor things.
when i lose video, i flip to self level mode and punch out for half a second. if i still dont get video back in two seconds, i disarm. This has saved me several times when i go behind some trees, and this is the only reason I keep self level mode ready on a switch. Also, I only do it when it makes sense. Obviously in a bando it would be stupid to punch into the ceiling.
Wow.. finally nice to see someone push it to the limits
Comment of the day "Disarm when video lost" don't fly blind, every time someone in our group has lost video and tried flying they either lost the quad or damaged it beyond repair. That's some real good advise. Only a trained / experienced LOS pilot should attempt recovery on video loss IF the quad is within visual range in my opinion. Oh and, have you tried changing the antenna to more suited high quality 5.8 ghz antenna to see if makes any difference? Would love to see a test with two high quality omni and two high quality patches.
I fully agree with you on the last point, I'd also rather prefer a manual disarm when losing video in contrast to a fail safe. Fail safe in my mind is my backup, not to be trusted as an absolute but more of a catch me if I fail to whatever, type of scenario.
As always... great content ! Effin awesome
He is crazy fast. Amazing video
I just seen this dude live in North Carolina. The dude is insane lol
Love the DJI totally a totally game changer! Super. Blew the analog system in clarity!.
Du4 FPV why would he try that if he’s got the DJI system? DJI system has way better clarity
@@du4-fpv777 I've previously flown with HDO, RapidFire, and a Ratel. Since I got DJI, I have only flown the analog systems while my waiting on parts for my digital drone. There are others that have done long range tests. The DJI is no better, no worse. That is my experience at lesser range but more obstacles. There are spots that I would only fly my RapidFire when I was testing new antennas. I can fly those same spots with DJI, but like RapidFire, it's a place I avoid for most flying.
Clarity at 50 feet and Minecraft past the first tree is a trait of analog. Digital is the exact opposite. Stuff that is close is moving faster, so it compresses it more. But you can see powerlines from a looooong ways off.
Du4 FPV I think DJI belongs in fpv if they are making better products than everyone else, and despite what u think this DJI system is the best fpv system currently it has just as much range as analog, and this system will only get better. If DJI focuses on fpv they will make the best fpv products. I’m not saying this cus I I love DJI, as a matter of fact all my stuff right now is fatshark, but I’m just sayin DJI has way more developers than other fpv companies. Fatshark and others will catch up, but I think it won’t be for a while, and if DJI keeps focusing on fpv they will keep making even better stuff, and I don’t think this should be looked at as a bad thing it’s 2019 and we’re still using boring old analog. This is like the release of the first HD tv, or the first smart phone in the fpv world
Du4 FPV and btw I hope I ain’t sounding harsh, not tryin to get in a heated debate or anything lol
@@du4-fpv777 Glad I'll have someone to sell my HDO's to. :D I thought I wasn't going to get anything for them. Right now though, they're my backup and are adequate for indoor whoop flying. My impressions are that man-made(inside) objects look fine with analog. God-made (outdoors) objects are much better in HD. I'm giving away my Sky03's this weekend. I'm also holding on to the HDO's for the remote chance that the Fatshark HD system becomes all the rage,.. but I'm really doubting it.
And by the way, the DJI ain't delicate. I had it strapped to the bottom of my CineBee( see my videos), and ran it into one of my sheds, and then it fell quite a ways. No harm done. And I bounced my new 3 inch drone off the concrete a few times today(airmode idle caused a flyaway-ish). Bent a motor,..... sigh,... No problems with the DJI system. I'll just have to deal with jello until the new motor comes in because I'm dying to get the DJI back in the air.
With a little tweaking it will work great on 25mw. I’ll prove it in about 15 minutes. :-)
Tweaking = 700mW? 😎
Can you show us how 480p mode looks? And how it affects the latency and maybe range
El Geilo it is going to be interesting I don’t know the specifics of the international law. But could DJI add in a little DSS to make it legal at higher power like radios are. I don’t know. But no. That is what I’m talking about.
Hans Turpyn that is a good question. I haven’t even considered that.
@@SimRacer101 would be really interesting if it looks better or worse than analog and if the latency is even lower for high speed racers
Very cool having Evan test the system on a race course. 👍💖🤓
Is there a mode which tries to maintain latency while sacrificing image quality? For racing would that be better? Thanks Joshua 😎
That is the mode we are in now: Low-Latency mode. But it still lets latency slip a bit if it needs to.
@@JoshuaBardwell okay, thanks 🤓
When someone knock your VDO of but not failsafe we can fly blind for about 3-5 seconds using the force. That's a huge different between catapult crash and controlled crash. If any Jedi in you, you'll get it.
I’ve been wanting to buy an FPV kwad with the DJI system, but all the decent components are always out of stock and backordered. This hobby must be taking off! (No pun intended)
Pretty interesting tests, Joshua! 😃
I guess it's going to be fun when you have 8 pilots with this system to try to race and see what happens. 😃
MC's Creations already been done and it worked flawlessly. Also everyone was on 700mw
@@eparg1 Wow! Fantastic! 😃
Thanks for letting me know!!!
Joshua, what about doing some tests by changing the antenna's to Patch types you may get better range penetration.
use 4x LHP patch antennas at 25mw & focus mode off for racing
who here remembers Evan Turner flying Josh Bixler's Guinea Pig? He wanted to do rolling harriers with it as a kid!
These drone pilots will be the future of US military 100%!👍💪 i can see tons of uses for these young drone pilots on the battle field
If you were going to build a new freestyle quad specifically for the DJI system, would you do anything different than your usual build? Does it just easily swap right in?
If you are running higher than 4S, you need like a 2 amp 10v regulator to power the DJI unit. It takes about 9 watts. You need to make sure the frame can take it.
Joshua Bardwell got a frame you’d recommend? Thanks !
Some people reporting an analog signal "IN" latency with clearview on Dji goggles! Josh, Can you make a video confirming this. Some of us are considering to ditch our hdo's for one pair of dji goggles that can do it all. I also saw some guys have put a fatshark module rx in the dji goggle.
Hey. I really love your videos and Im planing to buy DJI HD system and build a drone. Would you be able to help me with few questions?
Hi Joshua, another great video. I know everyone is still running tests on the DJI system, but wanted to ask, how do you feel that it effects flight time? Does it drain batteries any faster or still comparable with running Analog? Also, what is the difference in weight that's added when you use the DJI system? Just curious. Keep it up man, as always, great work.
considering it gonna be way less than 5% of your used power, I don't think it'll effect flight time
Do you not have the Air Unit connected to a UART on the FC? My goggles record automatically as soon as I arm and stops on disarm. I don't think I set it up, it just did it.
I think he mentioned in a previous video that he didn't hook it up. I chastised him also. :D The tech guy not fully configuring his own stuff,.....
@@rcrdps8144 half ass review then.
Was Audio dropping and rising or it was just me when JB was speaking in starting
That's so awesome! Thanks for the video. I would like to see a DJI Mavic 2 Pro being flown by an FPV drone pilot like him. Possible to see that happening ?
That would be like asking a F1 racer to drive a golf cart and expect something great. The mavic and the quads we race with are apples and oranges. No comparison. Plus the mavic has about a 1/2 second delay in video feed. You can’t do this type of flying with it.
@@traxfpv thanks for taking your time out to share your insights! Really appreciate it.
You guys need to test that stuff on 25mw and with 8 HD quads in the air at the same time! Everything else is a little bit useless... :(
This looks so awesome, thanks for posting.
Great video Joshua
It is amazing! ----Thanks Josh!
Should redo this test on a 1700mw DJI system.
Great pilot and unbiased/constructive feedback. Why turn Focus Mode off? It's a race, not a cinedrone ;)
He wanted to see more into the corners.
@@JoshuaBardwell Thanks for the content. Videos like this make me want to jump into quad racing. Thx Josh!
Very interesting as always. I have another question though. The link between the googles and the air unit is bidirectional, so should there be a concern about the googles transmitting (at what power??), literally on your face?
Not Realy 5.8ghz isn't a harmful frequency until you reach 10 to 15w.
Just Google cellphone tower safety for maintance. There are sheets for almost any frequency
Peter Zingler is right. The goggles do transmit, but so does your cell phone. The exposure is very small due to the tiny amount of power the unit is outputting.
Rewatching this video. Could we get an update for how Dji would be with racing now?
ruclips.net/video/ZTtPycIHjnc/видео.html&ab_channel=JoshuaBardwell
so all the top pilots came to knoxville and raced? vanover and min chan and thomas bitmatta ??
Well damn that's is the Field right next to my house if I knew it was at Washington pike I would have came out a flew it.
Was it in 120fps mode?
Can you recommend a prebuilt quad for the DJI FPV system? I have purchased the system but need a quad.
GetFPV.com will have a RTF DJI soon. But it will already have DJI installed. If you bought the DJI system separate you are going to have to build your own
Looks sweet, I still say racing needs distributed, antenna on wires, four or so that sit out in the field and send multiple signals to a diversity box, that then feeds into the goggles.
Fl1 shirt but loves the JB bf
quad lololo
Now how will it fare at 25mw? 700mw is great and all, but when you're flying with other quads at 25mw, how is the interference on channels close to what fatshark is supposed to be on?
Love your videos.
I would like to hear your opinions on DJI killing people's drones for no fly zones.
Would this stop you from buying DJI in the future
The DJI FPV system we are using in this video does not have GPS capability (that we know of). DJI has no way of knowing where you are using it.
As for them enforcing no fly zones on their other drones, I wouldn't really be in a position to say, because I don't own or use any Aerial Photography style drones.
@@JoshuaBardwell
Thanks for the fast reply.
I watch all your videos..
And I will not buy any DJI camera drone just because of that.
There's a video on RUclips showing this guy dropping his drone in the drink because of DJI he was so upset
@@JoshuaBardwell
6s
On a3 inch quad hell yes..
Oh I seen you hit the bird house. Lmao.
How did the Drone Fair
CHANGE THE STOCK ANNTENAS WITH SOMETHING TOP-END IF POSSIBLE ! PLEASE , THANKS
... stupid question: can you lock the latency and have the picture degrade instead? that probably will open the race market especially if dji takes your advice and adds a 5.8 reciever ... thx to both of you :-)
this is what i'm wanting. don't know how the feed would look in practice though
@@hillrubin758 i don't race but consistency in lag ought to be more important - like when you have the quad version of an alfa romeo - 7 warning lights flashing, bend props but the predictability means it's still a super tool when being familiar..... take it easy Ruben :-) ...
You cannot lock the latency, however low-latency mode keeps latency relatively low. It does change though.
@@JoshuaBardwell ... super helpful - always a balance, and we never stop bitching anyway. love the combos you do with Evan and Vanover - we (the people) always learn more when framed from multible angles - in this case freestyle egghead vs racing mad skill (congrats, bastard). you do those particularly well dude - i suspect because you are bright enough to also learn something that day.... :-) ...... all good, no bitching ...... :-) thx Josh
I bought myself a quad (cheap tyro109) a month ago I then bought drl sim and started 1000 something the first time I raced on, Im now under 50th for most courses on drl. How do I get into racing?
i dont know if it was the same video i saw. but the digital and anlog test i saw it doesnt matter which channel someone was usin, as soon as the analog startet the dji system was unflyable ``=D ...nice video btw XD
Any time there are two transmitters in the same channel you get interference. Not sure why people are holding this up as a criticism of DJI. Put Teo analog vTX on the same channel and tell me how flyable it is.
on the same channel i dont know why anybody is complayning about that `=) but in the video i saw they tested a lot of different channels to find a constellation that works :-/ that was the only reason why i was thinking buying it now is too early for this tech....thank you very much for responding dude =D
If you see Evan how its flying his quads on this track with analog you're gonna be mindblowned for sure, 1000x faster!
He is 1000x times faster when he is flying his own quad, not my 650 gram 6" freestyle/cruiser rig.
@@JoshuaBardwell He doesn't have that big of a problem with the weight of the quads,
but this is also a thing! HE is just mindblowingly fast like with everyhing which you give to him.
0:26 I cant believe he flew DJI drone. Which one? The mavic 2? 😁
I think you have some catching up to do ;)
VonZek I think he meant a drone with the DJI fpv system on it, not a drone made by DJI
That was a joke you guys
Hiya Gesture Part Well, nice to see you on the Tube.
Funny name though....
How good was that guy testing the DJI.... I'm now looking for a low slung branch to throw my noose over.
He is literally one of the fastest pilots in the world, so don't feel bad.
Can you explain the 'crossfire control' part? Are you still using a crossfire RX and only using the DJI for video? Thank you!
Correct.
Great video . I think the variable latency would freak me out . I would accept higher latency if they could lock it . Maybe a lower quality mode with locked latency for racing would be a cool feature ?
Good i like it very much this video hay i have to stop for a couple of weeks on my project of building my 5 inch drone cause i was or still having problems with the software i got me a chip laptop cause i had a chrome book and i wasn't going no where with it so now i have the chip laptop but im having this problem with the windows 10 home its not good i have to change it to windows pro.
Nice flying for it not being his rig. Good test!
What was steal complaining about? He said he would never change to FPV... looks like it works great for free style
Pretty good video JB
That was pretty sweet
I am thought he made it fail safe even on differed t channels than other quad?
@Joshuabardwell I have two questions. Regarding the tiny Hawk s, can I fly a 2s battery in profile 1, cus 2 is very aggressive indoors? Regarding the Taranis 9d se can I change the throttle mechanism like the DJI drone setups so the drone can hold altitude when I leave the throttle, I am used to DJI drones for years and I am fed up of trying to hold altitude in low speeds. Thank you.
Emax says you absolutely must use profile 2 for 2S.
No you cannot set up the Taranis or Betaflight to hold altitude. The quad does not have the sensors or programming to do this. It's an acro/racing quad not a camera platform like DJI. You must learn to hold altitude yourself if you want to fly it.
Joshua Bardwell Thank you Joshua keep up the nice work
About the lap timer on 25mW : It didn't pick the quad because DJI transmits data in short pulses or because the antenna is left-hand polarised or else?
Because the frequency is not exactly correct.
@@JoshuaBardwell But it's like 0-3Mhz difference, while the bandwith is quite wider, especially if you want to achieve 30+Mbps for the video in DJI. (and even on analog it's hard to fly for 8 pilots with 40Mhz channel separation).
I am not sure about your answer...
Has anyone thought of adding a servo to tilt the camera and pair it with like a gyroscope mounted to the goggles so you can change the camera pitch while flying?
Any way to measure actual output power like you've done on analog VTX's?
Is it just me or does it look like the video is dropping frames during those flights? Does the original file do that? I did notice the other day that as soon as I hit record I was loosing frames like that badly and it felt like latency. Had to format the sdcard in the air unit to fix it, might be something to check. From playing with my system I haven't seen any latency change in a open field like that when it's working correctly. Although, I'm not Evan Turner, no doubt he would be able to perceive increased latency better than I would.
There were a few times when Evan said he notice a change in latency or a frame skip.
Thanks for the vid, good job,
I’m so tossed on this system coming from DJI before FPV
I feel like they don’t really know us FPV people they just noticed us was like wow soooo cooool I can make money off this and yeah I just don’t know how to act as a freestyle pilot who bought into DJI before fpv then fpv changed my life #djiimstillnotsoldfpv
When I was a noob I nocked someone out of the air at my field but I unplugged quick enough and they recovered. I have been able to do the same, and can fly with mostly static or no video long enough to get back into range. On the dji, this is impossible.
Only if you are using DJI for control. You have the option to control the quad using FrSky, FlySky, Crossfire, Spektrum, or any other traditional control link, if you so prefer. The "video" part of the DJI FPV system does not require the use of the "controller" part.
@@JoshuaBardwell that still doesn't fix the fact that when the dji goes out, it freezes for a longer period of time than you would be out of signal in analog.
Also with uart enabled the recording is automatic.
Could you do some tests with different antennas than the stock ones?
Ton Miserachs someone just did a test on that and was able to significantly improve range
DroneRacer101 go to his channel
These kids think they are racers these days with their HD video, smartvtxs and betaflight 4.0 audio nonsense. That's not real racing! Back in my day you couldn't even touch a gate because your props would explode and we didn't have any wide dynamic range neither. The screen would go pitch black if you even thought about changing lighting conditions. We liked it that way too. And the flight control software was proper too, proper vibrations so the whole quad felt like it was going to fall apart when you gave it some throttle. These racers today don't know anything. 6s pah, 3s was good enough then and it's good enough now.
Fraser Steen 😂🤣😂
Fraser Steen well back in my day computers were bigger than rooms, you don’t know anything! You get it easy, and we liked it that way.
Come on dude no one cares, tech improves. And wth u mean when you said you liked it that way. You liked crummy drones that broke down whenever they hit something? Makes no sense my dude
@Eddy Jin y so srs?
Changing stock kwad antennas improves link which improves latency. Something to keep in mind. EDIT: Patches on goggles also noticebly helped on stock Kwad antennas.
Can you connect more than one of the DJI goggles to the same drone?
You can only bind one set of pilot goggles, but other goggles can tune in, in "audience mode".
@@JoshuaBardwell thank you. I have wanted to buy the drone and a few sets of the goggles so that multiple people can watch me fly for them, but I have wondered about it. Don’t worry, I will use your affiliate links for everything I can. And I will be using your getfpv site for many of the tools and parts. (I’m starting a business.) (I’m a helicopter pilot, but recently got my 107.)
just 1 question, what was his rate
Noob question, can you buy the goggles then use it and build your own drone?
Yeah definitely.
@@JoshuaBardwell I know this one is expensive, but would other things be expensive as well given that it’s digital? (Sorry if the question is a bit off, I am really new to these :) )
But then again, as I am new I should start with cheaper parts maybe
What quad where you using?
I definitely think that it is overrated and not bug free at least yet. I know I won't be buying that system. There are many times now that I won't fly because I don't trust something on my Qwads. If I was a millionaire I probably still wouldn't get it because of the fact that it is so proprietary and doesn't work with anything else currently in the hobby. But I am excited to see what pops up as competition from our already loved companies we buy from!
Thanks for the great video and letting him put it through its paces on a track! Definitely answers people's thoughts and questions!
COME ON RAPIDFIRE HD!!!!! Dji should have brought in the leader of the hobby in video RF
Its going to be a while till everyone else can do it as good as dji, dji have millions and they have been dabbling in digital for years by the time fatshark or rapidfire can make hd dji will be on version 2 and still be better. Fatshark already delayed there release because they said it wasn't as good! I truly hope I am wrong as I use fatshark but I'm not counting on it!!
What are those grips on the transmitter
Does Focus Mode affect the frame-rate/latency situation?
Yes focus mode lowers the bit rate on the side which mean there is less data to send all the way back to the googles. Its like peripheral vision.
woow the track looks lige a super video game on a playstation 7 :-)