DJI FPV 50 Mbps mode blew my mind (vs. 25 Mbps -- more range?)
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DJI FPV's July 2020 firmware update added a new 50 Mbps mode that blew my freaking mind. This is the closest to truly HD FPV video I've ever seen. Let's compare 50 Mbps to 25 Mbps and see how the image quality compares. and let's see how the range and interference compares between 25 Mbps and 50 Mbps.
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i was out fpv rock crawling and my friend had just updated her goggles and let me look in them, i was blown away with how clear everything was. still not a fan of the company but the goggles are crazy clear.
BOTGRINDER FPV just curious.. did you have a bad experience with the dji company ?
@@proz71ful19 nothing i want to get into on bardwells comment section, ive explained in my live streams and videos why.
BOTGRINDER FPV ahh right right. The live stream. Should have known
sadly, i think you are right. not a dji fan, but they set a standard. I keep wondering why company like eachine havent cloned this technology.....
Proz71 Ful I personally have never had a good experience with DJI - (professional user). Makes me very skeptical about their fpv system.
I'm truly thankful for DJI. I remember back in 2017 I bought the best FatShark setup available and I was so turned off by the analog signal that I dropped the hobby. I'd rather not fly than fly analog. I gave FPV another try and bought the DJI system a couple of months ago and it made all the difference. Without DJI I wouldn't be in this hobby.
Omg I have been out of the fpv game for about 4 years there was no hd video transmission when I stopped. This is absolutely incredible, total game changer!!!
15:40 that’s what became my new favorite thing when I got DJI, exploring the tops of the trees, picking through branches with a Squirt, trying to find little holes. So fun.
I coudnt agree more!
Now I am exploring, not just flying! 👊🏻
I frigging love my dji goggles v2 iv had them for 4 days now and I am still amazed every time I use them
WORTH THE MONEY 💰
I was blown away by this firmware update. I could count the hairs on my dogs ass when I flew by her.
Lmao!
Best comment ....and truth
You shouldn't fly that near your dog!
how many?
@@rhadiem A plethora
I just got back from flying the DJI system for the first time, and all I can say is this - Holy Sh*t, it's flippn' incredible!!! Wow!!
Just to think, 8 years ago I was flying with KK2 flight controllers and analog FPV connected to a crappy board camera, still got my FS dominator V2 goggles and FrSky Taranis Plus, but my analog system has upgraded somewhat, diversity and smart audio with lua scripts running my Taranis for easy configuration of my FC. 🙂
In an industry that continually puts out new, marginally updated gear at full price DJI has really impressed me since I bought into the system. Every couple of months we get another update that in RC-gear standards is HUGE and gives you another “this is awesome” moment.
Aww shucks. You showed my video! :) There's been another flight by another guy that went 8 miles and the video cut out abruptly. So it looks like we have almost exactly twice the range as before. I'm not sure this is a direct result of going to 50 Mbit. It might just be a coincidence. As you mentioned there's a latency at 4 miles that was not overcome with the old firmware. That may be due to the window (in microseconds) that the system waits for valid data packets. After that it just gives up. I think that the window duration was increased to twice what it was before giving twice the time for the packets to arrive. Remember, this is microseconds. So you still can have latency in the 20 to 30 millisecond range, even at 8 miles, up until it stops accepting packets that are too late.
Now we all stay to the last second... And he has to be more creativ every day... ;)
If they were smart(er) then they could add some variance into that timeout for valid packets so that the system and user can see a rapid drop off in quality before total loss.
Did you get to 8km using the dji remote? I can't go more than a mile and some change..
@@lecsu131 I used Taranis + Crossfire.
@@twinturbostang did you ever test the dji remote range?
Another great video. Thanks Joshua! I personally fly Low Latency mode because it feels much smoother to me. I know "high quality" mode is still supposed to be 60fps, but I do not believe it. Maybe it is 60fps in the best case but it definitely does not hold that rate. To me, "high quality" mode feels more like 30fps or maybe it keeps flipping between 30fps and 60fps. My background is in video game development, and now I do virtual reality research. I know what 60fps looks like, and "high quality" mode isn't it. I love "low latency" mode though. It is smooth and consistent as long as I have clear LOS for the signal. If you have the time and interest, then I think it would be very interesting to see a test to determine the true frame-rate of the two modes. You might have to record the screen using a different camera to see how long each frame is actually displayed in the goggles.
Mr ShutterBug Interesting insight!
Flying through bushes and seeing ghost branches or loose armature in concrete garbage is exactly what I wanted. Can't resist anymore, will buy this. A little problem though - my 5" frames have no space even for Vista unit :) Update: Installed Vista unit on my 3" GT-349. Indeed it is something unbelievable in comparing with low resolution analog picture. Some stuttering and pixelation in rare occasions, but overall experience is amazing. No flashing and noise lines anymore.
Thank you for this info, I have a gt369 and wondered if the vista unit could be used, do you know of any info on how to install the vista unit please?
@@tecnikturbo Vista is thinner and lighter than DJI Air Unit. I found that with adding a bit of elbow grease is it is possible to mount it into GT-349. From what is known about GT-369, I believe that mounting Vista on it goes in same way. Camera mount width and screw holes are the same too. In fact it is possible to mount even stock DJI Air Unit camera cube - it is much smaller IRL than it looks :) Use one screw at each side for it. Some notes:
- Two ways how to mount Vista VTX on frame. 1) Use M2 40mm screws. May be hard to found. Or 2) repurpose original FC cover/VTX mount. Cut analog VTX screw mounts off. And tie Vista to this cover with kapton tape (this tape is not elastic and is heat resistant). In assembled form top cover will fix Vista in place. I mounted it exactly like that.
- Use 12 cm camera cable. 8 cm cable is too long at same side and too short from opposite side. And 14 cm cable is way too long. It is good for 5"+ quads with VTX at back of frame.
Vista demo from my GT-349. Set viewing quality to 1440p. Jerking occasionally happen due to network lag - video in googles and original recording had no lag at all.
ruclips.net/video/Efe3TgsI97w/видео.html
The end of the videos always get me😂😂
Lol same 🤣😂
I wish he grabbed some food to make it look like he didn’t just look in the fridge to find the camera.. it would be more realistic😉
18:10 😂😂
Its soooo cool what DJI did :) :)
Now they need to do a 100Mbps mode with only 1 channel :D :D
I’m so pumped I bought in during that Father’s Day sale. My goggles will be here Thursday 😍
Congrats welcome to da club man, the dji fpv official facebook group is full of great dudes n info
Flo-Rida FPV awesome I didn’t know snot that group thanks!
@@dougmckay2387 yeah buddy i been there since sept, its aweome, just search before ya post ...it done been asked ;)
..WOW FPV has dramatically changed since I stopped flying years ago, this just convinced me to spend a ridiculous amount of money on the goggles plus that new TBS radio plus a new 4 inch, absolutely stunning image quality I can’t believe that’s what you’re seeing in the goggles, insane, going to be worth every penny
I'm with you on no focus mode, I fly HQ and no focus only. I'm loving this update, DJI keeps adding so many cool features. With this 50Mbps update halving the channels down to 3 plus public makes me want a 100Mbps mode with only one channel for us solo flyers.
Second
I love not flying analog after all these years and the switch was difficult, but their commitment so far to working (mostly) with the FPV scene really surprised me. I never liked DJIs Apple like business practices (yeah I’m an Apple user too) but their polishing of their products is pretty damn good and their after purchase support has really made me rethink my original opinions. Plus flying in HD is just awesome. Analog mod and you can still fly your micros. This update is just more proof of their support to keep optimizing the system. Honestly they could have been like, “well they bought it we got their money so whatever they can live with the issues”, but there not. I think it’s great, not perfect, no product is, but digital low latency on a consumer level is very new.
Sweet update!!, I just received my DJI HD Goggles and 2 Air Units from China. Mine needed a firmware upgrade right out of the box, nice to see them make a great system even better. Now I have to get out in my shop and put this system on a fixed wing... Thanks for keeping us up-to-date..
Bandwidth actually behaves the opposite of what you expect.
If you have a signal at that is using X watts of power, and that signal is using 20 kHz of bandwidth, it will go further (can be heard easier by it's receiver) than a signal using X watts of power using 80 kHz of bandwidth.
However, the 80 kHz signal can carry more data at a higher rate, hence better video quality.
Similarly, in the hobby of Ham Radio, a voice transmission (SSB) uses about 3 kHz of bandwidth. A Morse code transmission only uses about 0.15 kHz of bandwidth.
At the same power output, the Morse code signal will travel MUCH MUCH further than the voice signal with the drawback of carrying much less information.
Dude my voice stopped maturing at the age of 12 too, welcome to the club bro
It's such a fantastic update, you should really download it even if you don't have any DJI goggles...
Fantastic flying, Joshua! 😃
Yeah, it seems even better! Who thought it would be even possible??? 😮
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Wow JB your flying has improved so much since you've been doing the 4 packs per day and thank you because I've learnt so much from you over many many years. I quickly changed to DJI when it was first released over 9 months ago and I'm so glad I did. I kept my FatShark HD2's for 2.4G long range but surprisingly I've not used them ever since I made the change. I've converted all my RC models to DJI, such as quads, fixed wings, a helli and my favorite 6 meter scale glider. The only thing I can wish for from DJI is sound.
Just wanted to say thanks for the vids, my Father’s Day gift to me finally arrived here in the sandbox, and now I’m watching this vid on the update that Dji pushed. This keeps getting better. Thanks again J
Im impressed too but im getting a bit cold hanging out in you're fridge, but im not hungry. Recommend some nice Australian craft beer😀🍻
Great review LText: Text JB.
The range limit 'cliff' is caused by error correction. Once the errors exceed a 'valid data' limit the only way it can recover is to get a clean error free signal to start the process over.
Error correction makes the long range possible, but it's the achilles heel of digital systems, they can't construct something from too much nothing... for long anyway.
i get the feeling you were impressed
This is actually comparable to some hd cameras we used in past, like Runcam 2.
Runcam 2 can have image close to this ?!
If is even close I ll upgrade the stock camera to ldark et115 .
@@stelic9515 RC2 has higher resolution but in a lot of ways this is actually nicer than RC2.. exposure control above anything is just far superior with DJI.
I used to use focus in auto mode in 25Mbps mode, low latency, but I found with 50Mbps the image became a little stuttery. Subtle, but definitely there. I confirmed this with two air units on different quads. Focus off it was still there, however focus on the stutter is gone. The quality of the de-focussed edges of the screen is much better than before.
DJI just feels like Toyota/Lexus Hybrids, some people love them, some people love to hate them, but at the end of the day it's always improving, being purchased and creates something amazing for the future.
I agree! That's whats good about DJI. Their first launch might not be perfect, but the firmware updates makes up for it. All the same with FPV and other DJI products.
That 7.25 miles flight was on 50mbs mode. I haven't tried to test the range in 25mbs mode past the 4.2 mile limit yet. We have pretty much determined the new max is 8.2miles. It does the same as before where the signal just stops no matter what your Mbps was prior to hitting that range.
So double the bitrate double the range. Interesting.
@11:40 you tell about a hard limit. In the radar technology we use the time between the sending signal and received echo divided by 2 to measure the time the signal has travelled. Calculate that with te speed of light and you have the distance. Now If your goggle sending a signal and your air unit receive that signal, put a timestamp on and sending a signal back with that time stamp. They can calculate your distance without GPS. And set distance limit which is tested as a "safe range" . Gladly they removed or put the limit futher away.
The limit relates to the timeout of the acknowledgement window. If a data packet is not acknowledged within a certain time, it is retransmitted. If the latency of the link exceeds that time, data cannot be acknowledged and the link fails.
About 2 weeks ago I bought a DJI FPV system and it's supposed to arrive tomorrow, pretty cool that I'm never going to see 25 mb mode. Commin in hot straight to 50 baby!
@18:09 I am your Crossfire Tx from the DJI LQ OSD Video!!!
Keep up the great work. This is all Greek to me, but I’m learning the language. My greatest struggle is still trying to program my dxe with a kill switch. Managed to make it not turn on. Your vids have helped me prior to get my mojo 230 to fly using beta flight.
I know I need to upgrade my controller and will make my life easier but cash is a problem for now. Thanks man
Once upon a time I had the same issue with a vortex 150 mini and the Dxe. Ditch the DXe and your life will be so much easier. You can probably get $50 for it on Ebay and buy a jumper tx16!!
Love seeing you go after lines I've never seen tried before at Bardwell Manor.
Count the number of times JB says "impressed", go...
Someone on RCG with a proper spectrum analyzer showed that the DJI channels are not a rounded lump that bleeds all the way to the edge of the band. They are actually a pretty sharply edged vertical pillar with little lumps on either side in the lower part of the band, but very clean on the upper end. Yes the 50Mbit channels are about double width, and will step on closest adjacent analog channels, but not as bad as the analog analyzers suggest. pics here. www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=44976421&postcount=7433
All those long range flights were done in 50Mbit HQ mode. Nobody has tested 25Mbit for max range yet.
And they didn't remove the range limit. Latest tests indicate that it was doubled, then it cuts out same as it did before.
One other thing in this update that wasn't documented. The DVR recording bitrate was also more than doubled and it's entirely variable. Before the update, DVR would max out around 22Mbit/s. After the update it averages around 38-44Mbit/s for high detail, high motion and I've seen peaks as high as 65Mbit/s. This is true whether the goggles are in 50Mbit or 25Mbit transmission mode.
Thanks for pointing out those images - that's really interesting.
I hope Bardwell sees this. Not only does this show the bandwith in better detail, he was also trying to figure out why the 50Mbps mode wasn't getting as much range and these screenshots show that too, the 25mbps mode is putting out more power than the 50mbps mode. It's because, for a single transmitter, it won't be able to put out as much transmit power at a higher bandwith as it can at lower bandwidth.
If you watch a occusync DJI camera drone on a spectrum analyzer as you switch it between 20mbps and 10mbps modes you'll see the same jump in power going to 10mbps. You can also see this if you leave it on automatic mode, it will switch to 10mbps mode as you fly it farther away and back to 20mbps when you fly close to yourself.
@@TimBass My own tests don't back up the assertion that 50Mbit mode is using less power. Also his range didn't increase, but it didn't decrease either. Video quality was about the same flying down that road out of LOS, which you'd expect if you double the bitrate, *and* double the bandwidth.
@@daemn42 well those spectrum analyzer screenshots show that it is definitely transmitting less power. But maybe as far as range goes, maybe there are other reasons it's not translating to less range.
@@TimBass Many things could account for that. Different power settings, heating up and dropping to low power mode, or not a consistent distance between tx antennas and the receiving antenna on the analyzer. I wouldn't read too much into it. On my Rf Explorer, the peak power looks the same between 25Mbit and 50Mbit. It just doesn't show the nice clean shoulders.
I think more bandwitch equals more noise, thats what's messing up the increased range @ higher bitrate? I fly analog and then when i switch over to DJI, The image quality still blows my mind. Nice vid BW!!
50 MBPS = DJI scraggle killer mode 👍
Interesting that all the enjoyment you get out of close proximity to the branches is something I love with stereoscopic analogue FPV. Sadly no 3D option for me to try digitally. I do have the DJI HD system but miss the depth.
Oh yea!! My Bardwell Xilo budget build kit just arrived!!! Can’t wait to be done with work so I can go home and start building!!!
I'm impressed by how flyable even the lower bitrates look. We've all flown through absolute shit on analog and, as long as the latency didn't get too bad, 1mb was cartoony but safely flyable.
Literally anything in digital looks better than analogue. DJI could be in a comma with one lung and partially brain dead and still do a better job.
Great review JB, only a couple quick flights for me with 50mbs, but it’s def an improvement!!!
I agree, it certainly is mind boggling! I’m loving my dji set-up just way too much! The technology has come a long ways from the analog days 👌👍
And it will only keep getting better.
If you are getting a sdcard too slow error you need to check the actual speed of your card. If you thought battery manufacturers exaggerate about C rates the sdcard makers passed them at warp 8 years ago. That’s even before you get to counterfeits and rebadging 4th shift cards. Download a program like sdspeed (OS X) or h2testw (win) and run all your cards thru them. When buying just ignore any speed numbers, or at best halve them and buy from a place you can easily return them. You can’t even rely on anything, the counterfeiters have gotten so good the only way is to test them. Even big box stores get duped, you have no chance by looking at them or price. You can pay a premium and still get a fake.
At 50mbps it’s even more critical, you are really reaching for ultra hi end cards to consistently match that speed. And they will degrade over time so what was fine 6 months ago may not be fine now. DJI can’t make a firmware that will fix a shitty sdcard. Sandisk, Samsung, Lexar or Kingston, the names mean nothing. You won’t know until you get it home and test it.
Remember that RUclips's compression algorithms take away from the image quality of your original vid so the quality we see on here is not nearly as good as your original upload but I am impressed!
That's why I told you to view in 1440p
Well I can tell you, it's not so much bit rate as far as range goes. As far as the rf signal between the radios is concerned, if you double the bandwidth, you half the power density & vice versa if you halve the bandwidth, you double the power density. In Amateur radio it's the same as running analog fm narrow/ wide. 12.5k versus 6.25k. Less data can pass through the more narrow signal, but it's also much less likely to suffer any signal fade "in range" around trees leaves and what not thanks to increased signal density, yet with wide band you can see more data, the twigs you are flying around, yet more prone to signal picketfencing, polarity shifts & whatnot. There's always a trade off, in pretty much everything. Love the fly!
Hey Joshua. For a few years now I've been hoping someone would make an ePTZ FPV system. I remember seeing one after a lot of searching but I can't remember what it was now. Essentially you have an ultra wide camera with no physical pan and tilt mechanism. The full camera feed is broadcast down to the headset and the head tracking system pans the feed in software. I can't believe this still isn't a thing so I'm starting to be vocal in the hope that some manufacturer will pick up the idea and run with it. Not such a requirement with racing drones because you can effectively do all the panning and tilting with your main controls, but for a plane or a car it's a different matter. Reduced weight, complexity, size and lag. So many good reasons for this to happen!
needed for fpv rc cars for sure.
Nice place you have there. Thanks for showing us around.
This update is truly amazing. I instantly felt more connected to the quad as the latency is now 22-30ms.
Damn, have you become one great pilot! I was freaking out like ten times watching this!
but you did the range test only on high quality. I would like to see how far it gets on low latency.
Me too! Please post your results. :-)
@@twinturbostang In my experience with low latency, it was not much better. I'll be sticking to the 25mb for the mid range flying. The penetration pixelation is worse on 50mb. This update wasn't great for the type of flying I do. Which is down low in and out of tree canopy at mid range. If it's park flying style it'll be helpful I guess.
@@DT-gun Interesting. Most people have very positive reactions to the 50 MBit upgrade. Try the 50 Mbit High Quality mode and see if you like it. Latency is just slightly higher, but image is quite a bit better I think. I tested through trees and stuff and most of the time was getting higher overall bitrate.
WOOOw We learned something today. Thanks Joshua
I can’t wait to switch over. I’m due. I’m flying v1 dominators with a wildfire module. I believe I will be shocked
I swear jb has a Bob Ross feel when flying lmao....."oh no I didn't like that let's try this"😁 I freakin love this guy!!!!!! I absolutely love watching him and not just watching but LEARNING!!!!!! NOBODY ON RUclips has a better intro telling you whats about to go down better than JB.....YOUR GONNA LEARN SOMETHING!!!!! LMMFAO🤣.....JB YOU ARE MY FRIEND TIL THE END BROTHER YOU HAVE MADE ME A NERD THAT IS LEARNING TO BECOME A NERD IF THATS POSSIBLE LOL......I LOVE HEARING ABOUT BIT POINTS AND BITS PER SECOND ALL THAT LATENCY CRAP I JUST LOVE IT!!!!! I HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH FROM JB THAT I ALREADY AM GETTING READY TO GET ME SOME DJI GOGGS..........THAT IS THE LOOK I WANNA SEE WHEN RIPPING 🙏GOD BLESS YOU LITTLE BALD MAN WITH ALL THE KNOWLEDGE FROM MACE WINDU LOL.....YOU ARE AWESOME JOSH I LOVE YA MAN IM GOING TO GET MY GOGGS VERY SOOM AND THATS WHAT I WANNA SEE 🤘the thing is I want an flywoo vampire with dji goggles......what transmitter should I get j?????
There also seems to be a lot more clarity flying at night. Maybe a comparison vid on that?
That's wild dude. How can anyone even argue it.
15:40 Really good timing we got the DAL foling prop and Floppy Proppys at the same time as this update :D
Urge to explore tree canopy? Same here, guess, that was the first I did :).
We need to specialize in quad retrieval techniques. Maybe do a video with tips on that?
LOVE the bit at the end- this should be a new feature of your videos- as if you've found a viewer in various parts of your house haha!
I'm impressed with the grass
It should be noted that those 2 long range flights, I believe, were accomplished with lightweight RC Planes with robust batteries to enable them to return home from such a long distance and not with RC Quads. Just in case, someone decides to try it with a quad.
Wrong, the 6.2 mile was with a quad..
@@EnglishTurbines ahh, yes, crossfire+massive battery pack. geared up LD.
Ha! The tree thing, that's exactly what happened to me yesterday, I took it out into the woods on 50mbps mode and realized I could run around through tiny tree gaps, so that's what I did and smacked into one pretty hard lol. I rarely crash these days so it was kind of a downer, but the vid quality was amazing =D
the antenna angle changes the delay notably cool
Remember that the more data you add on an RF link, the lower the effective power, for the same output power.
Looks amazing! Can’t wait to get mine on Thursday.
A long range mode would be cool.
The greater bandwidth and detail level will make those of us looking at the DJI system as a digital downlink for Film, TV, and Live Stream production a lot more confident in using this hardware over other digital links, but I feel RUclips's recompression is not doing any favours to the footage.
I'd love to see DJI implement HEVC, for double the image quality at the same bandwidth and bitrates.
A link to unedited samples would be fabulous.
Great video. One criticism I have is that I would like to have seen you push through the signal 'dark spot' (just past your property) to see if the unobstructed range increased. This would bring the test more into line with the original DJI range tests you did and would provide a clearer picture. This niggle aside, great stuff as per usual.
I just didn't feel safe given the image quality. Once I started to feel stutters I bailed.
New features and restrictions and lock downs every day. It's amazing. Next dji update you must submit a DNA sample to even get the key to open the package. Then you must pay DNA storage fees yearly otherwise it will remote short your drone to destroy it. Amazing tech
Hello, unfortunately the AUDIENCE mode doesn´t work with 50MBit. Also if you Bind one Goggle, switch to 50MBit bind the 2nd Goggle switch to 25Mbit, you can´t join with the 1st because it´s still in 50MBit. Maybe Joshua has enough power to convince DJI to make 50MBit audience possible? :)
But the youtube would still compress the video tho, it would be great if you could upload the raw file into a google drive (with a share link) so that we can see the real footage of the non-compressed video!
(cuz youtube compression still sucks lol)
I find 1440 to be pretty representative
@@JoshuaBardwell I find 1440 to be unavailable.
@@damfastfpv8016 it's there now, maybe just refresh?
@@akcarruthers5464 got it!
Is there a setting somewhere on YT that caps the available resolution? It's still only showing me 1080.
5:45 I think you meant to say Mobius :D Mobula is the brushless whoop hehe ;)
Hey. 2X Bandwidth needs 2X power. The only way to get more range would be to concentrate all the power in a narrower lower bandwidth channel. * However, that is a simplistic truth because DJI seems to dynamically adjusts the link modulation (and video compression to match). So it is questionable if doing the opposite, adding a 12Mbps (forced narrow channel) would help extend range at near minimum bitrates ~1.5Mbps. If it's possible, maybe someday DJI will add a long-range failsafe "safe"-er? mode. LOL
just bought a betafpv 115hx and a pair of box goggles before jumping in the deep end with the whole dji setup and curious to if it was really going to be a game changer this lmk keep up the great videos
Thank you for another good experience in FPV
That 50Mbps is seriously legit, but am I weird to say I'm more interested in that Scamp camper trailer, those things are awesome.
nice DJI update! but for me the lack of the audio live feed is the blocking point to move on DJI, do you know when
DJI plan to add audio feed ?
great video iv just bought the bumble bee with FPV just leaning the ropes now !!!!
He's definitely convinced me to go with DGI as my first set of goggles pretty excited about this love the 13.3 km range. But on shorter ranges video quality is superb.
This video is over 2 years old. Don't get me wrong, this is still a good system.... I use it and love it... but when this was made, you had two options: poor quality (but cheap) analog FPV, or expensive (but nice looking) DJI. Now, you can still use analog, but there are 3 digital systems (HD Zero, Walksnail, DJI FPV) out right now with another DJI system coming soon (the new goggles are already out, but the vtx has been delayed). So don't use this old video as your only source of info.
If you like DJIs system in this video, you should at least consider Walksnail's system. They have a number of similarities with DJI's system. And after some firmware updates, they improved from their initial (buggy) release.
@@joshuas2716 thank you for that. Luckily I haven't purchased yet I'm still in the research stage and two it doesn't help when you're starting from scratch. I have to check out all options before I buy. But if you could help cut the red tape and give me the top three digital and the top three analog. Cuz I know I'd like to buy a digital and an analog. I have been a part of the RC community for about 20 years on the retail salesman end. This is the first time I'm going all out into "The hobby". No more cheap. tired of doing that. Always buying these cheap kits, and the cheap drone kits, where it's got to connect to your phone to do the video feed. My plan is not stopping at drones. I'm also including cars, helicopters and planes.
I finally tried dji and wow I kept thinking why did I wait so long to make the switch absolutely breathtaking
That part showing how it eats 7 channels though... Poor guys arround trying to fly when one DJI flyer comes to count the grass leafs...
Great update, thank you!
I've had the DJI system sitting in it's box at home for a month or so now after I drunk bought it. Really need to scrape some cash together for a new quad after watching this!
Did you seriously drunk buy online? NICE!
@@rebelaqua823 Yeah, and then my wife found me asleep in front of the laptop with my wallet open.
@@kitbuilt3845 lmao, plenty of good cheap frames air unit fits in man, even more if ya can 3d print stuff, i used to fly rmrc strix screeches before i went apex n badger HDs,
@@flo-ridafpv5713 Yeah I have a 3d printer. I was looking at an Apex as my local shop has them but I think I'll cheap out a bit and go for a Titan DC5 HD from Iflight and then just deck it out with their motors and electronics too. Just need to get back in the good books with the Mrs before I spend any more money!
Well, your primal insticts were good! 😂 Did you at least get it on the Fathers Day sale? I know some fine folks that are kicking themselves that they didn’t get it! 🤦🏻♂️ Geprc has some awesome bnf quads like Mark 4, CineGO or Rocket, all fantastic reliable quads!
I'm still learning about DJI's system... So, we were watching the goggle video (FPV feed), but what happens to the feed in the DJI Air units DVR? I know it does 1080p/60fps, did it change at all with this update? 🤔
Thanks! and nice video! 👍
wondering the same.. i am betting it does not change the air unit dvr quality, only goggles
Nothing. The air unit recording is exactly the same as it was before. 1080p@60fps at about 40Mbit/s.
The DVR recording bitrate more than doubled though (whether 50Mbit transmission mode is enabled or not), which is part of the reason why JB's recordings look so good on YT at 1440p resolution.
So only a year and little bit more there was a race for TVL count, larger sensors and better optics in analog FPV cameras. Now it is possible to have long range HD quality picture, if you wish to pay a used car price for required gear and you are effectively locked in one vendor ecosystem. No transmitter of choice anymore and no smaller quad than 5" due to control module size :)
People are putting DJI into as small as 2" quads for what it's worth.
@@JoshuaBardwell Yes, seems interesting to have HD picture in googles from something like 75mm Mobula 7 or Emax Tinyhavwk indoor version. Still not convinced which camera/controller is light enough to support that.
@@JoshuaBardwell Finally got DJI googles and Vista Polaris set. Will try to install that on 3" GT R349. Let see how good it is. Did you cleaned that backyard trail? You would include it in your FPV gear tests. By the way that trail was the moment when I decided to try the red pill :)
Big thanks to u, and you always answer my questions :D
Jeez Joshua, you are never going to leave the house now.
You can actually fly from inside lol
Dude, you got a Scamper! Those are awesome, need to get one.
Must be nice to be able to afford the DJI equipment to enjoy this. Looks really good though.
just convince everyone else to buy it from your affiliate link :)
A comparable quality analog setup (goggles, camera, VTX, etc.) is actually MORE expensive than the DJI setup. Mr. Steele did a recent video about that...
@@franknicholas5399 this is true if you go all out.,.. and you're taking cost advice from a guy who sells a $900 quad...
honestly, if I were starting today, I would go DJ I just for all of the other plug-and-play possibilities. It's just so much easier to start out digital than to convert and you know you'll have a longer life span with all of the auxiliary pieces.
True that! I have spent more time taking it down from trees than flying this firmware 🤩😂😂😂🔥
Impressive I don't own DJI Goggles but videos like this make me think more about getting a per. And I always wanted to know how to repair an ESC quick (Just call it a peace of Garbage & it works again)
Well damn it Joshua Bardwell. Now you have me sold on DJI. STOP making it easy for me to spend so much money on new stuff to fly with.
98% of most watch in 1080p so not much different! Great vid! Thanks
dude...do you mow that lawn? amazing!!!!!!! DJI is a bandwidth hog eh? Do you know, are these 40MHz channels? or 80? is there a way to force higher or lower frequencies? how is latency at that range? Thank you Joshua
Penetration will not be changed much but clear line of sight is doubled range. User f.wing has achieved over 13KM at 700mW.
The protocol-imposed range limit is doubled when in 50 Mbps mode, but I'm not convinced that the km-per-dB has gotten better. Just that you don't hit the artificial wall at 6 km any more.
@@JoshuaBardwell I really want to understand how the limiter works given it does not have any way to measure the distance other than the radio. It takes light 21.6r nanoseconds to travel 6.5 kilometers at 299792458 meters per second. So I'm guessing there is a 43ns/44ns round trip limit on firmware v01.00.05.00 and below and a 86ns/88ns on v01.00.06.00 and above. I can't think of a technical reason why such a limit would be imposed so hopefully it will be further derestricted in future either with official or 3rd party firmware updates. Yes I believe 3rd party updates will come and someone out there has been tinkering and reverse engineering. If DJI continue to refuse to add features like live audio this will further drive the need for 3rd party modification.
God damn... I really need to get this DJI system.