It's so so wild to me that I just started FPV by running Liftoff. So when I decided to actually buy my first drone and do some more research, I'd watched Barwell before, but I couldn't believe that his yard was what I'd been flying on in Liftoff lol
What an awesome experience! Don't let the jerks in the comments make you feel like that isn't a cool experience lol. I on the other hand was super hyped to boot up liftoff when I realized his yard was there 😆
That's awesome right! I love flying bardwells yard with the FT boar micro with 1104 7500kv on 2s in liftoff. It makes the whole place feel a lot bigger. And I'm a micro guy...says my ex...
For every unanswered FPV question that I have in my head, Joshua suddenly releases an amazing video about it with clear answers as if he could read my mind...
After five years of flying, I've settled on 533, 533, and 512. No expo. Those are my race rates. If you're flying freestyle, don't use these! Thanks for all the help you've given the community JB.
I have been 100% lost in the world of rates and how to find my perfect rates. This video explained it so well!!!!! Please continue helping out people like myself
I always fly my TinyWhoop Meteor 75 in angle mode indoors because acro was just too much for me. However, after following these steps, I now fly acro indoors without even realizing I'm in acro mode! This has made such a difference. I see rates as the 'frequency' between your hands and your brain, and by adjusting the rates, you tune the correct frequency." Thanks Joshua.
I eventually settled on 'Betaflight rates' rather than 'Actual rates'. They are as follows: *Roll/Pitch/Yaw, RC rate: 1.70 *Roll/Pitch/Yaw, Rate: 0.50 *Roll/Pitch/Yaw, RC expo 0.00. (Max. Vel. (deg/s) 680) I mostly fly the Air65F and the Air75 with these Rates.✌🏼
Exact same problem! Altho i can't tune or alter my cheapy lil drone so far as i can tell, but this, (and discovering I'm better in stick mode 4,) has VASTLY improved my flights in liftoff.. Like from being so hard n frustrating I'd give up, to nice long enjoyable flights! I can't wait for my new woop (mobula 8,) and radiomaster controller (pocket,) to show up so I can tune it in and actually fly! ❤❤
@GEN - X - 三FPV三 I use the SpeedyBee App over USB on Android, i havent carried a laptop on years. But being able to land on a roof, pop open the menu and change settings without taking off the goggles is super helpful.
@@Fly_High_FPV yeah. You know I haven't needed to tune my quad in a long time and then I smashed my USB port on the flight controller. I never even thought about using the the goggles but I haven't needed it.
JB, thanks for this great info. As a new (78yo) pilot (FPV), 2 years on camera drones. I was confused by the "rates". I am slightly more familiar with them now. Still confused but at least I think I can try and sort them out a little, just as soon as I can fly in ACRO. Got an Avata on release date and been stuck with the Motion Controller. My FPV Controller 2 should arrive in a few days, what a long wait. I am planning on re-watching this video several times before it arrives. Thanks for the info
I've been going through all my quads, 1 by 1 to set the rates for that specific quad and how I fly them. My toothpicks, and 2s whoops are around 750, my 5" is around 550, cinewhoops around 350, and my 1s whoops around 800. My heavier 3" is about 600. I know it sounds dumb...but I fly each class for different things, and like a different feel for each.
I love watching this a year after it was released. Still some of the most useful information on the topic out there! I love how JB summed up exactly how I feel about yaw rates being higher because I loose too much precision on the throttle at high yaw stick deflections. Perfect!
Been flying sim for about 12hrs now, just using "recommended" rates from random google searches. Decided to give this a go, and within less than an hour, I'm already feeling infinitely more precise and smooth than in all those 12 hours. It was almost like a switch flipped. I can hit gaps with such better precision, turns are smoother, not overcorrecting/undercorrecting as much. Still by no means an expert pilot, but I'm feeling so much more confident. Your videos have been insanely helpful!
I gave this method a try in Liftoff and found the perfect rates for me. I am more comfortable flying around and I am able to hit tight gaps without any issues. I am very excited to give my new rates a try on my quad as soon as spring comes around. Thanks JB!!!
Ah... when I translated ''rates'' to ''sensitivity'' (as a gamer) it all made sense. The curves, the response, the acceleration or lack thereof etc. Gotcha. Great freaking videos man. Getting into the hobby a bit late here, but your video series are gol-den for learning a *lot* in a fairly short amount of time. Love 'em!
Great description of the compromises and transitions between fine control rates in the centre of stick range and the need for higher rates for snap moves at the extremes of stick range. Human reaction times are going to be a key part of the upper end of both of those rates for any individual. FPV flying is primarily VISUAL and visual reaction times are slightly slower than those for touch and sound. Visual reaction times have been reported in the range 190-250 milliseconds, with XY genotype faster than XX, and people who exercise tending to be faster than those who are more sedentary. (Whether that is cause, or effect is unclear.) Came to essentially the same understanding and tuning of centre and full deflection rates before I saw the video.
JB your camera is probably fitted at the front of the frame so on rolls it's spinning as fast as a centre of rotation but on Flips your camera is travelling longer like in the circle :) same if you place camera on the bike wheel and move it away from the centre.. it will take small circle move when near the centre and longer if near the edge of the wheel:) basically it's spinning the same but your camera is taking longer to do 360 :)
Another great video! BTW, you had great stuff in the "FlowState" documentary on FPV... Your analogy to FPV being like the view from speeder bikes in "Return of the Jedi" was perfect... :) That's what makes it addicting!
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how incredible a time we live in? Here's a guy with a passion for flying quadcopters and is able to actually make a living doing it. Thanks JB for your many hours of quality content. Thanks to you 'I learned something today'.
JB you can make the most difficult task become so so easy. You’re a great teacher! Thank you for all the videos. Can’t wait to get my tiny hawk 3 set up. Does the beta flight work for a mac? I don’t have a pc.
You hear thanks jb all the time. But everything I know about fpv in the last 11/2 is from watching your videos or a super chat. Fpv is hard to learn. And you put it into words that even I can understand. So THANKS again Jb for everything you do. Flushfpv!!!
for yaw I use a max rate limit in the CLI set yaw_rate_limit = (mine is 580) or whatever you want. you keep the same set up for consistency but put a cap on the limit. jas been working great for me
Finally a clear explanation of how to adjust the rates, Joshua. Thank you so much! I just started using Liftoff, while waiting to get my first FPV drone - the Avarta 2.
Somehow I always end up in your videos and understanding better the fpv world. I'm a dji drone pilot and fpv is other and difficult thing! Thanks for sharing all your knowledge, priceless!
Thanks JB! I started flying acro about three weeks ago on the avata. I watched this video yesterday, played with the rates on the DJI virtual flight app for a while last night and then set the same rates on my avata this morning and was hitting gaps and orbiting shit I wouldn’t have even tried yesterday let alone successfully completed! I still have some fine tuning to do but thank you very much. This was the most helpful video I’ve seen on RUclips and had an immediate 100% improvement in my flying abilities. Great stuff!!!
If you're an angle mode duffer like me, pitch and roll rates don't matter. Those are controlled by the Angle Strength setting in the Profiles tab; you set their expo in the CLI.
Just for reference, everybody's thumbs are different. For example, I run 230 deg/sec on roll, 300 deg/sec on pitch and 600 deg/sec on yaw with 55 % expo on all axis. This is really really low. However I can pull 14 second laps on Multigp GQ 2022. Freestyle is possible with these rates, you just have to be more commited and deliberate with the inputs.
I like to set center rate based of hovering and maneuvering around a very tight area like inside a tree canopy and then max based off timing where I could make the move eyes closed. I use 200/800/0 with yaw 100/800/0
20:40 a "Torque Curve" almost. Similar to a car or bike, how you can have a ton of small adjustment and then after a certain, or sperate points its exponentially more. Hint, hint Expo.
Thanks, Josh... This helped me realized I'm not crazy with my rates. Specially for Yaw, I like it more in the center so it's higher than Roll and Pitch.
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank!!!! you!!!! Finally, a year ago (lol) a decent explanation & example! Now I can actually wrap my head around the rates
JB mention you can make more accuracy slower stick reation at higher farther more full stick deflections in the TX under inputs >edit >expo value number of -100 . OR ANY NEGATIVE number and watch the graph .
Haha 20:20 I thought my neighbors dog was barking and I could hear it through my baby monitor while my daughter was napping 😅 Great video! When I discovered expo on both FPV and DJI, what a difference it makes to getting more cinematic footage!
Super helpful! I had no idea what these were or why id adjust them. Just copied others rates and went! I greatly appreciate finding this video tho JB! Gonna do some re-learning!
I can recommend every freestyle-acro pilot to try "Vanover rates" at least for some time;. Ex. BF preset can be used, They have 2 powerful advantages - more sensivity at the center combined with less sesivity at full deflection For me they are game changing in the sense that they enable the brain to follow and process every single part of a move. Simple example: if you roll while diving - you can tell which horizontal direction the quad is pointing at at every moment of a roll. More complex example: if you loop around a tree branch or do a Matty's flip behind a tree branch - you know the moment when to apply throttle / release the pitch Simply put those rates give you tonnes more control over a quad You remove the gaps beyond brain control from the moves. There are no more "black/red outs".
this is a great video, learning all of the aspects of controlled flight I believe it makes you a “more safe pilot” . I had to change my rates for my phantom four because in sport mode if you go to fast tweaks out the gimbal so they allow you to make profiles. I really enjoy the way my DJI inspire flies even though it’s an older drone and it’s not an FPV it’s still fun to fly, I used my rates from my DJI inspire and transfer them over to my DJI phantom four and it flew exactly the same. It’s fixed my problem with the phantom for being real twitchy. I’m more of a slow controlled cinematic type drum pilot I don’t do flips or acrobats of any kind. I just drive them at full throttle and have fun with it.
Joshua, this was one of the most helpful videos. I really just sort of set mine by guessing. This is something I am going to take some time to do. Thanks!
Kemosabe, This along with the other rate experiment you posted a few days ago have really helped me more than words can express. I've taken this seriously and found two the Kawds I've never liked, to becoming as good a the ones I've preferred the most. The same for my camera drone the Andy Shen Geyser. It's made a tremendous improvement. If people will take several hours of their time to personally tune the Kuads they like the least first, they will be surprised and certainly going to rates tuning their go-to kwads much improved.
Thank you very much for being able to explain even to me . See I have a terminal neurological disease and my bucket list is to learn free style before I become bedridden. I have MSA. Thank You for giving me the correct method of finding my rates. Austin Crawford. Just subscribed, but a huge Rotor Riot fan.
Would be nice for you to come up with some good rates / expo for a Geprc Cine Log 25 - v2 -3 Cine Log 30 - Cinebot 30 for real estate fly through. Great video helps understand some on dialing in your sticks 👍
im still waiting on parts. but you can try this out in liftoff!? i went into flight controller setting ingame in a free flight. took a map i like and flying around. adjusting "actual" in selected model. normal it saids betaflight. but you need "actual" for this. turns out. im an old softy that fly rates at around 125 to get full deflection on my stick. no wonder it's so hard to controll. i don't use full stick?! not any longer! time to use more stick!
What would be ideal is a way to create switchable rate profiles. Sharp rates and dull rates which you can switch in flight like how fighter jets have after burner that you can turn on when needed.
Great video this and the betaflight videos have helped so much. ? My question is where do I set the different rates between angle, horizon and acro modes. Thanks
I've found my rates flying Liftoff. It is a very accurate sim talking about the rates! First I tried values from 1200 to 600 degrees and then tuned the curve. It was fun to fill how sim settings correctly correspond to the actual quad behavior!
I found LO too floaty no matter what I did. Uncrashed to me has a more realistic feel not only with the quads handling/weight etc but also the environments physics.
I did some of the same testing. It was nice to use my actual TX in the sims to discover my rates, then took them to the real world for further testing. I will agree with the two commentors above, though. All the sims have their quirks. They don't quite match reality. It's going to be a while before that happens. Unless you are doing full CFD style modeling around an accurately defined complete quad it is hard to make it fly just like the real thing. Maybe one day.
@@sunsetpark_fpv When programming the physics engines for these games they have to make compromises on how everything works. They are approximating the physics of the real world with some shortcuts that gets you pretty close, but not all the way. When you do aerodynamic work you can run CFD on it, but it's very expensive hardware wise and slow. It can't work at 60 fps for example. So we are not able to accurately model all the complex things happening to the air around the props and airframe. The physics of the hard parts is easier, but they probably aren't as detailed as the real thing either. If devs are willing to keep going they could make some stunningly accurate simulators assuming the hardware horsepower is there. This is a fascinating topic explored in depth in the classic flight simulator world. X-plane and MS Flight Sim use completely different models for how the air flows over the airframes and it's amazing to read into it. You might think they could just use that technology for a quad sim, but I don't think it would translate very well and they too are using a lot of shortcuts to get to the desired result. For example, the physics simulation can run at a slower pace than the graphics rendering so that it has enough time to act, but that's not how things work in the real world obviously.
The pitch will always be slower then the roll if rates are the same on them both. Because the weight is distributed along the pitch axis not the roll axis.
@Text Me On Telegram 👉@Realbardwell omg that’s amazing. I love your content and your free gifts. Please tell me what I won and how to get it. I’m sure it’s amazing, I would think I will have to pay the postage right ?
Thank you thank you thank you for finally explaining those rates rather than just giving away rate value suggestions!! Q: Is there a way to modify Betaflight rates out on the field or do I need to take a laptop with me? mobile app maybe? ❔
JB, I learned something today! This video needs to be in a catalog for anything RC that is airborn. An Educational Tool. Coming from collective pitch helicopters, there was only "rate" and "expo" for the Aileron, Elevator, and Rudder. Then pitch and throttle curve...lol Rate was speed and expo was center stick sensitivity. The ability to manage the collective was determined by LOS and what was perceivable by one's "hand eye" coordination, lol. Usually all my smaller Blade helis needed zero "expo" and higher rates due to the slop in the swashplate. Larger Blade helicopter stuff had less slop in the swashplate, soo, maybe 10% expo and rates less the 100%. Now, if the servos, linkage and swashplates are "precise", rates can be 125% and expo at 25%. So I kinda get what is happening. But every one different. Thanks again for the video!
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It's so so wild to me that I just started FPV by running Liftoff. So when I decided to actually buy my first drone and do some more research, I'd watched Barwell before, but I couldn't believe that his yard was what I'd been flying on in Liftoff lol
been there done that...
What an awesome experience! Don't let the jerks in the comments make you feel like that isn't a cool experience lol.
I on the other hand was super hyped to boot up liftoff when I realized his yard was there 😆
@@BuffHD want a tee shirt?
That's awesome right! I love flying bardwells yard with the FT boar micro with 1104 7500kv on 2s in liftoff. It makes the whole place feel a lot bigger. And I'm a micro guy...says my ex...
Same, felt pretty weird how it’s exactly the same and so accurate
For every unanswered FPV question that I have in my head, Joshua suddenly releases an amazing video about it with clear answers as if he could read my mind...
brooo.... Its crazy I think.... Its not as simple as we think! RUclips algoss broooo😂
That's why I became patreon.
haha youtube algorithm Same happens to me
After five years of flying, I've settled on 533, 533, and 512. No expo. Those are my race rates. If you're flying freestyle, don't use these! Thanks for all the help you've given the community JB.
I have been 100% lost in the world of rates and how to find my perfect rates. This video explained it so well!!!!! Please continue helping out people like myself
Been flying for 6 years... and this video, for some reason, was still so relevant. Thanks, JB!
I always fly my TinyWhoop Meteor 75 in angle mode indoors because acro was just too much for me. However, after following these steps, I now fly acro indoors without even realizing I'm in acro mode! This has made such a difference. I see rates as the 'frequency' between your hands and your brain, and by adjusting the rates, you tune the correct frequency." Thanks Joshua.
What rates did you settle on with your whoop?
I eventually settled on 'Betaflight rates' rather than 'Actual rates'. They are as follows:
*Roll/Pitch/Yaw, RC rate: 1.70
*Roll/Pitch/Yaw, Rate: 0.50
*Roll/Pitch/Yaw, RC expo 0.00.
(Max. Vel. (deg/s) 680)
I mostly fly the Air65F and the Air75 with these Rates.✌🏼
Exact same problem!
Altho i can't tune or alter my cheapy lil drone so far as i can tell, but this, (and discovering I'm better in stick mode 4,) has VASTLY improved my flights in liftoff..
Like from being so hard n frustrating I'd give up, to nice long enjoyable flights!
I can't wait for my new woop (mobula 8,) and radiomaster controller (pocket,) to show up so I can tune it in and actually fly!
❤❤
As I still consider myself a noob I really don't know what I would do without JB thanks again for all the videos and keeping it simple for us.
Perfect timing, now that we've got DJI Rooted, BF OSD is back, now it's easy to tune rates without a laptop again 👌
I agree Dave . Heck yeah 💪🏻
Once I got my Speedy Bee Bluetooth adapter.. I never hooked my quad back up to my laptop.
Things like that are hard to part with.
@GEN - X - 三FPV三 I use the SpeedyBee App over USB on Android, i havent carried a laptop on years. But being able to land on a roof, pop open the menu and change settings without taking off the goggles is super helpful.
@@Fly_High_FPV yeah. You know I haven't needed to tune my quad in a long time and then I smashed my USB port on the flight controller.
I never even thought about using the the goggles but I haven't needed it.
Can i ask how to you open the osd menu???
JB, thanks for this great info. As a new (78yo) pilot (FPV), 2 years on camera drones. I was confused by the "rates". I am slightly more familiar with them now. Still confused but at least I think I can try and sort them out a little, just as soon as I can fly in ACRO. Got an Avata on release date and been stuck with the Motion Controller. My FPV Controller 2 should arrive in a few days, what a long wait. I am planning on re-watching this video several times before it arrives. Thanks for the info
I've been going through all my quads, 1 by 1 to set the rates for that specific quad and how I fly them. My toothpicks, and 2s whoops are around 750, my 5" is around 550, cinewhoops around 350, and my 1s whoops around 800. My heavier 3" is about 600. I know it sounds dumb...but I fly each class for different things, and like a different feel for each.
I love watching this a year after it was released. Still some of the most useful information on the topic out there! I love how JB summed up exactly how I feel about yaw rates being higher because I loose too much precision on the throttle at high yaw stick deflections. Perfect!
Haha me too!
This helped me get a MUCH better understanding of what's going on with my rates and what each one does. THANKS JB !!!
After tinkering with this hobby for more than 2 years finally understood the very basics of rates and tuning :-)
Thank you once again!
Been flying sim for about 12hrs now, just using "recommended" rates from random google searches. Decided to give this a go, and within less than an hour, I'm already feeling infinitely more precise and smooth than in all those 12 hours. It was almost like a switch flipped. I can hit gaps with such better precision, turns are smoother, not overcorrecting/undercorrecting as much. Still by no means an expert pilot, but I'm feeling so much more confident. Your videos have been insanely helpful!
I gave this method a try in Liftoff and found the perfect rates for me. I am more comfortable flying around and I am able to hit tight gaps without any issues. I am very excited to give my new rates a try on my quad as soon as spring comes around. Thanks JB!!!
Keep in mind that Liftoff is still quite far off real flying so you might have a completely different feeling.
Your tutorial videos on FPV is amazing. Being a new FPV flier I’m learning so much from watching your videos. You are a very good teacher.
Thank you JB - this has simplified enormously the effects that each of the settings has for me, very nicely explained
Ah... when I translated ''rates'' to ''sensitivity'' (as a gamer) it all made sense. The curves, the response, the acceleration or lack thereof etc. Gotcha. Great freaking videos man. Getting into the hobby a bit late here, but your video series are gol-den for learning a *lot* in a fairly short amount of time. Love 'em!
Great description of the compromises and transitions between fine control rates in the centre of stick range and the need for higher rates for snap moves at the extremes of stick range. Human reaction times are going to be a key part of the upper end of both of those rates for any individual. FPV flying is primarily VISUAL and visual reaction times are slightly slower than those for touch and sound. Visual reaction times have been reported in the range 190-250 milliseconds, with XY genotype faster than XX, and people who exercise tending to be faster than those who are more sedentary. (Whether that is cause, or effect is unclear.) Came to essentially the same understanding and tuning of centre and full deflection rates before I saw the video.
JB your camera is probably fitted at the front of the frame so on rolls it's spinning as fast as a centre of rotation but on Flips your camera is travelling longer like in the circle :)
same if you place camera on the bike wheel and move it away from the centre.. it will take small circle move when near the centre and longer if near the edge of the wheel:) basically it's spinning the same but your camera is taking longer to do 360 :)
I tried
roll/pitch
50, 900, 0.25
yaw
800, 900, 0
and I'm really kinda loving that thanks josh
Such a logical three step approach, and super clearly explained as always. I really like having yaw 25% higher (center and max) than pitch/roll.
Another great video! BTW, you had great stuff in the "FlowState" documentary on FPV... Your analogy to FPV being like the view from speeder bikes in "Return of the Jedi" was perfect... :) That's what makes it addicting!
You explain stuff so well. It's so easy to understand, and you describe it in a way that makes sense.
Agreed.
JB you've been knocking them out of the park with your uploads! Another gem! 😎
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how incredible a time we live in? Here's a guy with a passion for flying quadcopters and is able to actually make a living doing it. Thanks JB for your many hours of quality content. Thanks to you 'I learned something today'.
How dystopian
JB you can make the most difficult task become so so easy. You’re a great teacher! Thank you for all the videos. Can’t wait to get my tiny hawk 3 set up.
Does the beta flight work for a mac? I don’t have a pc.
All of this will work on a mac not to worry
You hear thanks jb all the time. But everything I know about fpv in the last 11/2 is from watching your videos or a super chat. Fpv is hard to learn. And you put it into words that even I can understand. So THANKS again Jb for everything you do.
Flushfpv!!!
for yaw I use a max rate limit in the CLI set yaw_rate_limit = (mine is 580) or whatever you want. you keep the same set up for consistency but put a cap on the limit. jas been working great for me
Thanks for the tip.
Finally a clear explanation of how to adjust the rates, Joshua. Thank you so much! I just started using Liftoff, while waiting to get my first FPV drone - the Avarta 2.
Somehow I always end up in your videos and understanding better the fpv world.
I'm a dji drone pilot and fpv is other and difficult thing!
Thanks for sharing all your knowledge, priceless!
Thanks JB! I started flying acro about three weeks ago on the avata. I watched this video yesterday, played with the rates on the DJI virtual flight app for a while last night and then set the same rates on my avata this morning and was hitting gaps and orbiting shit I wouldn’t have even tried yesterday let alone successfully completed! I still have some fine tuning to do but thank you very much. This was the most helpful video I’ve seen on RUclips and had an immediate 100% improvement in my flying abilities. Great stuff!!!
Thank you!!! Dialing in the rates, I finally got over the hump. I feel confident soaring now.
If you're an angle mode duffer like me, pitch and roll rates don't matter. Those are controlled by the Angle Strength setting in the Profiles tab; you set their expo in the CLI.
I think this is the best explanation of how rates work, and I have watched tons of videos
Finally, was really waiting for JB explanation of this
Just for reference, everybody's thumbs are different. For example, I run 230 deg/sec on roll, 300 deg/sec on pitch and 600 deg/sec on yaw with 55 % expo on all axis. This is really really low. However I can pull 14 second laps on Multigp GQ 2022. Freestyle is possible with these rates, you just have to be more commited and deliberate with the inputs.
Become a Patron! Tuition is respect. Thanks again for another enlightening class.
Perfectly explained, the practical examples really make this so easy to understand. Absolute legend you are Mr. B! ❤
I like to set center rate based of hovering and maneuvering around a very tight area like inside a tree canopy and then max based off timing where I could make the move eyes closed. I use 200/800/0 with yaw 100/800/0
20:40 a "Torque Curve" almost. Similar to a car or bike, how you can have a ton of small adjustment and then after a certain, or sperate points its exponentially more. Hint, hint Expo.
This was the piece I've been missing as a noob. Thank you Joshua!
Thanks, Josh... This helped me realized I'm not crazy with my rates. Specially for Yaw, I like it more in the center so it's higher than Roll and Pitch.
This was awesome. I finally managed to tune my micro, it flies awesome! Thank you and I bought your 5 inch using your link!!
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank!!!! you!!!! Finally, a year ago (lol) a decent explanation & example! Now I can actually wrap my head around the rates
Great video on rates JB, a lot of people skip tuning rates to their liking, will help a lot of people! ❤
JB mention you can make more accuracy slower stick reation at higher farther more full stick deflections in the TX under inputs >edit >expo value number of -100 . OR ANY NEGATIVE number and watch the graph .
Or use them as a rate profile systems security lock
Haha 20:20 I thought my neighbors dog was barking and I could hear it through my baby monitor while my daughter was napping 😅 Great video! When I discovered expo on both FPV and DJI, what a difference it makes to getting more cinematic footage!
thank you for pointing out the yaw axis rate, I'm going to try it on mine so I can stay closer to center and see how it works!
Super helpful! I had no idea what these were or why id adjust them. Just copied others rates and went! I greatly appreciate finding this video tho JB! Gonna do some re-learning!
Definitivamente hoy e aprendido algo nuevo!!! Gracias Joshua.
I can recommend every freestyle-acro pilot to try "Vanover rates" at least for some time;. Ex. BF preset can be used,
They have 2 powerful advantages - more sensivity at the center combined with less sesivity at full deflection
For me they are game changing in the sense that they enable the brain to follow and process every single part of a move.
Simple example: if you roll while diving - you can tell which horizontal direction the quad is pointing at at every moment of a roll.
More complex example: if you loop around a tree branch or do a Matty's flip behind a tree branch - you know the moment when to apply throttle / release the pitch
Simply put those rates give you tonnes more control over a quad
You remove the gaps beyond brain control from the moves. There are no more "black/red outs".
What are vanover rates
@@BodhiGeraci 400-450 as max rate
the most explanatory video I have ever watched. thank you for your effort
1200 for micros feels awesome 2-3"inch great info!
Learned this first with on road foam and carpet racing. Airtronics m-8, have 2. 72 mhz. Son and I raced in '90s. Hanover Pa. track 4wd cars
Thank you so much Joshua, I really just asked for this under your extreme rates experimental video ❤
this is a great video, learning all of the aspects of controlled flight I believe it makes you a “more safe pilot” . I had to change my rates for my phantom four because in sport mode if you go to fast tweaks out the gimbal so they allow you to make profiles. I really enjoy the way my DJI inspire flies even though it’s an older drone and it’s not an FPV it’s still fun to fly, I used my rates from my DJI inspire and transfer them over to my DJI phantom four and it flew exactly the same. It’s fixed my problem with the phantom for being real twitchy. I’m more of a slow controlled cinematic type drum pilot I don’t do flips or acrobats of any kind. I just drive them at full throttle and have fun with it.
Nice explanation Josh, could you please add your rates in the description, I'm interested to see what you like :-)
Very cool, love the simple explanation. JB delivers.
Fantastic explanation and tutorial, Joshua! Thanks! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Joshua, this was one of the most helpful videos. I really just sort of set mine by guessing. This is something I am going to take some time to do. Thanks!
Kemosabe, This along with the other rate experiment you posted a few days ago have really helped me more than words can express. I've taken this seriously and found two the Kawds I've never liked, to becoming as good a the ones I've preferred the most. The same for my camera drone the Andy Shen Geyser. It's made a tremendous improvement. If people will take several hours of their time to personally tune the Kuads they like the least first, they will be surprised and certainly going to rates tuning their go-to kwads much improved.
Awesome man thank you, I’ve been working on getting my throttle rate and mid tuned. Appreciate it man!
I’ve been waiting for this video for 5 years
I try to explain the expo to people as the time and amount of movement. Fine tuning your max rate.
Thank you very much for being able to explain even to me . See I have a terminal neurological disease and my bucket list is to learn free style before I become bedridden. I have MSA. Thank You for giving me the correct method of finding my rates. Austin Crawford. Just subscribed, but a huge Rotor Riot fan.
Would be nice for you to come up with some good rates / expo for a Geprc Cine Log 25 - v2 -3 Cine Log 30 - Cinebot 30 for real estate fly through. Great video helps understand some on dialing in your sticks 👍
Love your content did this with project blue falcon (RIP) a while back his tutorial was close to this it helped my flying tremendously
Thank you for these videos, I just started fpv and this has been some of the most valuable information to me
Thank you so much for this tutorial! That's what I needed - clear instructions.
Excellent tutorial which I will take to heart as I learn on this hand-me-down Avata I just acquired.
Awesome guide, thanks a lot for putting this together. It's been very helpful for an absolute beginner as myself.
Joshua,
You blinded me with science!
Thank you for this detailed and fun video. Im trying all this in DRL, I don't have a fpv drone. God bless 🙂🙏🏼❤️
I feel like you've been giving me this speech/tutorial since we had only F3 boards. Between you and stingy, my rates are all jacked up still 🤣🤣🤷
Thanks! I finally get it and for the forst time i think i gave my rates just right!
im still waiting on parts. but you can try this out in liftoff!? i went into flight controller setting ingame in a free flight. took a map i like and flying around. adjusting "actual" in selected model. normal it saids betaflight. but you need "actual" for this.
turns out. im an old softy that fly rates at around 125 to get full deflection on my stick. no wonder it's so hard to controll. i don't use full stick?! not any longer! time to use more stick!
Wow, how have you shown the sticks in such 3d style ?
The video I needed, Thank you so much sensei, now, going back to your Backyard on Liftoff to train !
What would be ideal is a way to create switchable rate profiles. Sharp rates and dull rates which you can switch in flight like how fighter jets have after burner that you can turn on when needed.
Can u do a video how to tune perfectly without blackbox?
3rd time watching this, goin to the park in the AM and hope to hold myself to doin this and not just ripping :) TY !
Im gonna learn actual tonight with this video how to thank you again n again joshua u make us better
Great video this and the betaflight videos have helped so much. ? My question is where do I set the different rates between angle, horizon and acro modes. Thanks
This video was super informative and helpful. Much appreciated brother.
Excellent video. Simple and clear. You did a great job.
I've found my rates flying Liftoff. It is a very accurate sim talking about the rates! First I tried values from 1200 to 600 degrees and then tuned the curve. It was fun to fill how sim settings correctly correspond to the actual quad behavior!
I found LO too floaty no matter what I did. Uncrashed to me has a more realistic feel not only with the quads handling/weight etc but also the environments physics.
@@funKdatFPV both feel very gamey to me after having tried velocidrone
I did some of the same testing. It was nice to use my actual TX in the sims to discover my rates, then took them to the real world for further testing. I will agree with the two commentors above, though. All the sims have their quirks. They don't quite match reality. It's going to be a while before that happens. Unless you are doing full CFD style modeling around an accurately defined complete quad it is hard to make it fly just like the real thing. Maybe one day.
@@mjodr What does "full CFD style modeling around an accurately defined complete quad" refer to? I am lost LOL
@@sunsetpark_fpv When programming the physics engines for these games they have to make compromises on how everything works. They are approximating the physics of the real world with some shortcuts that gets you pretty close, but not all the way. When you do aerodynamic work you can run CFD on it, but it's very expensive hardware wise and slow. It can't work at 60 fps for example. So we are not able to accurately model all the complex things happening to the air around the props and airframe. The physics of the hard parts is easier, but they probably aren't as detailed as the real thing either. If devs are willing to keep going they could make some stunningly accurate simulators assuming the hardware horsepower is there.
This is a fascinating topic explored in depth in the classic flight simulator world. X-plane and MS Flight Sim use completely different models for how the air flows over the airframes and it's amazing to read into it. You might think they could just use that technology for a quad sim, but I don't think it would translate very well and they too are using a lot of shortcuts to get to the desired result. For example, the physics simulation can run at a slower pace than the graphics rendering so that it has enough time to act, but that's not how things work in the real world obviously.
The pitch will always be slower then the roll if rates are the same on them both. Because the weight is distributed along the pitch axis not the roll axis.
Im Eric, and i learned something today. thanks Joshua
Knoxville , Tennesse fpv all the way
Should beginners be worrying about rates? Or best to just get used to flying acro first? Thanks for another great video
you should add this to the learning to fly segment. i think a lot of new flyers would find it helpful.
Thank you Joshua. Your explanations clear and educational.
This is genuinely a fantastic tutorial on getting rates set. Fantastic method and extremely well put together.
@Text Me On Telegram 👉@Realbardwell omg that’s amazing. I love your content and your free gifts. Please tell me what I won and how to get it. I’m sure it’s amazing, I would think I will have to pay the postage right ?
Amazing video. I like my max rates more of a switch then a curve
awesome video! straight to the point! sooo many thanks to you, Joshua!
Now I’m curious if you plug these rates into a different build, would it still feel good?
Thanks. MCK preset is great for me.
Thank you thank you thank you for finally explaining those rates rather than just giving away rate value suggestions!!
Q: Is there a way to modify Betaflight rates out on the field or do I need to take a laptop with me?
mobile app maybe?
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JB, I learned something today! This video needs to be in a catalog for anything RC that is airborn. An Educational Tool.
Coming from collective pitch helicopters, there was only "rate" and "expo" for the Aileron, Elevator, and Rudder. Then pitch and throttle curve...lol
Rate was speed and expo was center stick sensitivity. The ability to manage the collective was determined by LOS and what was perceivable by one's "hand eye" coordination, lol. Usually all my smaller Blade helis needed zero "expo" and higher rates due to the slop in the swashplate. Larger Blade helicopter stuff had less slop in the swashplate, soo, maybe 10% expo and rates less the 100%. Now, if the servos, linkage and swashplates are "precise", rates can be 125% and expo at 25%. So I kinda get what is happening. But every one different.
Thanks again for the video!