I turned BF rates to max and learned something profound
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00:00:00 - Let's take "rates" to the limits!
00:01:10 - Real quick: what are rates?
00:01:45 - I'll be using linear rates (no expo or curve)
00:02:33 - Easy: 300 degrees per second
00:04:03 - Weird: 100 degrees per second
00:06:21 - THE MINIMUM: 10 degrees per second
00:09:31 - I can do this: 900 dps (linear no expo!)
00:11:36 - THE MAXIMUM: 2000 degrees per second
00:13:05 - The profound thing I learned
00:13:54 - The power of expo curve!
00:18:34 - Conclusion
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What i learned from this video is that rates of 100 is good for learning how to fly. And rates of 2000 is good for learning how to build quads :)
😂👌
@@lixxfpv the perfect comment does't exi- wait! this one right here
True😂🤣
😂🤣🙃'build, fly, crash and repeat' hahaha briljant thought M8 ¶ ; - )
good one
I like how this experimentation takes the mystery and fear out of tweaking the settings. - I used to be afraid to touch anything once I was content with my settings. This was just good ol' fun!
yeah, newbie here. recently I try to set up 4 to 6 difference profile at 6 position switch. never try never know.
Same Phil.
This literally is the most informative tutorial on the impact of rates. Totally awesome. I'm going to revisit my rates.
This is what makes this a unique hobby. Years and years into it, a RUclips channel based around it, this guy's entire life is fpv including his income. The last 30 seconds of the video he had the most genuine joyous laugh. What other hobby can do this this far in? I'll wait
Not many, if any, can compare to fpv. The range of emotions alone keeps me in it. You'll have the most joyful, intense, relaxing, frustrating, blissful, angry, nervous and awe inspiring wallet busting time of your life with fpv, with all those emotions hitting at the same time. Wouldn't trade it for anything. 😁
3D RC helicopters.
@@SCFPV That's what all my buddies airplane guys said about their hobby, same thing my other friends the helicopter guys said too lmao.
Ehhh... have you ever owned/worked on any classic cars? 🤣 You'll get the entire range of your emotional spectrum in the first week I promise
@@overdosed51 Nick you hit the nail on the head. Classic resto is one of my longest hobby (job?). 30+years now. While I have said some bad words in FPV, nothing brings out the best in a person like a broken bolt in a impossible area. Lmao
Honestly I think I learned more about rates with this fun video, than with one of your bench videos (no offense at all) love to see more of this style. When you see the extremes of something it helps to understand what the fine tuning can do. Great video
For real. I don't even fpv. "Just" camera drones. And learned a ton about setting up those mode switches for different use cases in cinematography applications.
i love all of your content but the videos when your out in the field making adjustments to the quad are my absolute favorite. This was such a good video!!!!!
You should totally set up some races where all the best flyers race at the lowest rates lol. It would be interesting to see the different lines they take
This experience/experiment needs to be a "must watch" for newbies like my self. I understand scaling of throttle and expo! My helicopter experience has taught me much, but this is awesomeness!
I know you did this video just for fun but I actually learned more about rates than any other video has ever explained it
JB this was a really great video. Good test of the left and right rates, and you answered something I always wondered about but never did! Keep it up!
Loved this video, was genuinely fun to just sit down and watch! Appreciate the testing!
Awesome video Josh. I cant wait to try this!!!
I’ve just gotten into FPV and absolutely love your videos, especially your Learn to Fly an FPV Drone! Thank you Joshua!
This was a really fun video. Thank for sharing :)
Love how much you love doing this!
As usual in your videos I learn something !!!!!!!! Thank you for for the time and great video. You talked about rates in many of your videos, but this one is definitely the final cut.
That was the funnest thing I've seen on RUclips this year. Well done and great work buddy
Awesome idea and video!
I really like your content man. Thank you
max rates! max fun!
This is surprisingly fascinating. I have never thought about testing the extremes 😂
This was a brilliant video showing what rates and expo do 😁👍🤙
That was really cool, I laughed a lot here. Your reactions were very real and fun, I loved it!!!!
Loved it bro that was awesome 😎
i did the same thing before in Liftoff with the max/min rates out of boredom and for laughs. but this is great to see in real life, i was always curious how accurate it would be..and its pretty accurate to the sim. thanks for taking the risks 🙃
bwahaha, i was dyeing when you dropped the rates super low! great F*%king video Bardwell!
I subbed man! You seem like a very cool, nice, humble guy! Look forward to watching more of your videos. I actually plan to buy a DJI FPV drone at the end of the month! Very much looking forward to it.
Wow this made rates and expo sooooo much less complicated! Thank you JB!
Great explanations of rates, Thumbs up
The beginning of the video made me remember the first time I tried to fly (in LiftOff, of course, you always need to start in a simulator). I just crashed, and again, and again, and again... And I just couldn't stop laughing! 😂
Thanks, Joshua!!!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Loved the video a very learning experience
I think I've watched this video 10 times in the last month! Love ya JB
Thank you for teaching me about rates
Joel
Good vid, lots of chuckles had
You know, Joshua, it's going to be interesting a month from now... To see how this experience changed your rates!
Thanks Josh..I have had a blast changing from one rate to another....Its actually made my quad even more fun to mess with. Now I must charge ALL my batteries up...fun stuff
This was a fun video. Much appreciated.
Good stuff,
enjoyed watching you learn :)
I’m flying FPV for customers and this was the exact lesson I needed. Flying indoors cinematic this is excellent information.
Hi Josh Great video on your BF rates. I just have never played with my rates, but I need to start learning how. I just fly with what the quad came with. The Mother-in-law house is looking great. LOL Thanks again for the video and information.
This is definitely one of the best Bardwell videos I have seen, and I have seen a lot! And I definitely learned something from it!
Great Video!
This is exactly what I did 6 years ago in the freerider sim to figure out which rates I wanted. I ended up settling around 1100deg/sec and never looked back!
Great video!! Not only was it entertaining but it gave me a great tip. I just finished my first 6" build, it's main use will be a chase quad, we have a small midget class track nearby, but I also film local downhill long board skaters a couple times a year at competitions and for fun. Was trying to decide what rates would be good to use, but after seeing this, I won't be afraid to tune it down way lower than I would have before. I mean there's turns in down hill skating, but it's not like an F1 track, it's pretty straight with casual curves. Thanks again!
Bear in mind, the faster the quad is going, the faster you need to be able to turn, if only to suddenly slow down or swerve to avoid a crash. I'd always want to give myself maybe 500 dps at full stick for emergencies even if center stick was much lower.
Hey Josh, even an ole gizzer like myself can learn about rates when You demonstrate them in a video like this one. Don’t let this compliment mess with the rates in Your head, but,,,,,man Your Good! Lol Blessings Joshua,,,Rudy 👍👋🇨🇦
Definitely Learned Something today 🙌👍
Best video I ve watched for a long time.
this video really shows off your skill.
I have given different rates a go and crash out a lot.
I'm just super impressed that you were even able to straighten the quad back out with the high rates lmao🤣 I would've been rolling left and right all the way to the ground 😂
“I don’t like linear curves at all”~Joshua Bardwell 2022😂
Dziękujemy.
For years I've flown rates that aren't too far off your 300/2000 experiment, mine are 300/1440 and it is totally possible to nail 360° snap rolls/flips with a little practice. Very low rates are a valid choice if you don't intend to ever go upside down ("Mavic mode") but you would have to combine this with throttle expo (or Lidar support) to help with height control for smooth footage.
Haha i run stock 670 on everything and it flips and rolls just fine right off the ground. To fast of rates id think wouldnt look to nice on camera.
Awesome video! Fun and experimental. I'll try and play with the rates to get my hglrc Veyron 30 cinewhoop fly better hopefully 👍
I need to see 2000 degrees per second LOS!! 😵💫😂
Kemosabe, you know, I learned some interesting changes to incorporate in my dual camera Andy Shen Geyser Camera drone. Turning my rates much lower than I thought anyone would sensibly go actually made some inside building shots far better than my mini whoops for indoor use. Yea, I learned something here big time.
And this video has taught me more about rates than any other video
This was cool!
Joshua, awesome as always! This is really good for beginners, to know how to dial in the rates on their first drone and also on a simulator. I really don't know why the simulators don't have a beginner set up after angle mode. Also having a mix with the yaw and roll. Then slowly reduce the mix when the beginners get more proficient. Getting time on the sticks is so important. I'm just learning to fly drones. But I've been flying DC planes for many years and you don't put a beginner in a 3d flier. Just doesn't work.
this is the best test ever with lots of fun
The laughs at the end 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 just pure joy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's why I pay internet! Man your laught was so nice and happy 😁. Nice vid mate really funny to see... I don't even fell the time passing by.
Nice experiment...👍🏻
The Low rates created a super cinematic effect on the video, smooth transitions are pleasing to the eye, could be useful technique for CineWhoop pilots to consider.
I gotta try this very interesting outcomes. 🤔
I ♥ low rates and low (0) expo... and yes for cinematic filming! ¶ ; - ) great video JB!
Impressed at how little bounce back you got at 2000 deg/sec. Maybe this is a valid tuning step? Would be interesting to see the logs.
9:30 Only works with calm conditions. If there’s some wind you need a certain amount of control.
This video saved me tons of testing and better understanding of those rates. What is your rc smoothing, 30, 100?
haha loved the new challenge of slow rates. they should make a slow race for drones like ive seen with motorcycles.
Each day I learn a little bit more about this hobby
Watching Joshua Bardwell laughing made my day :)
😂😂Good one JB 👊🏻👊🏻
Haha I can’t stop laughing. I mistakenly set mine and got myself triple barrel roll in less than half a quarter second. I really enjoy seeing JB experiencing it. 😂
Basically Skitzo's old rates at the end haha!
god i love it i cant quit watching
Nice experiment!
Do you have a video where you build and fly those wood obstacles in the meadow?
There is a discussion in a live stream about him getting some dude to build it out of old fence wood. There is a video showing him flying them, you'll have to search through... its in the last 6 months
Great video Joshua! Glad to see you got some goats. What breed? We have French alpines
I experienced this when setting up a new whoop. Somehow the settings got messed up and set the rates to 2000 degrees linear. I didn't realize it and took off and immediately did a faceplant into the ground. I actually flew it around for a bit but it was downright scary!
And today, sbang was born.
I keep way less expo for racing close to linear. For cinematic tons of expo and for freestyle right in the middle. It would be interesting to see. your thoughts on crazy high pitch and yaw but much slower yaw and vise versa.
@JB How did you get those 3D sticks to show up on the screen? That is awesome, maybe make a quick video on it? 🙂
I see that disc wok on the wall! got any bardwell family recipes?
Youre like the VSauce of FPV lol! Thanks for the info!
Defiantly learned something. Very good video of how rates control the quad without me just banging some numbers in and crashing.
Tak!
I've ran a quad with expo and maxed to 2000degrees/s. Double rolls a few feet off the ground and sketchy. Theoretically if you are typically at 900/1000 and move to 2000 and keep your same timing on tricks they will all be double. Yaws spins flips and rolls look crazy 🤪
Ok that was awesome
I'm so glad I discovered this hobby at a time in my life where I can afford to keep breaking stuff...
(I'm finally flying 100% in acro and feeling comfortable flying proximity anywhere there aren't moving people)
I'm super stoked at my current ability, but I've destroyed SO MUCH STUFF to get here!
I actually have several "cringe" moments that even now scare the shit out of me!
The worst of the worst was when I created my own parallel charging setup for 3x 1500mah 4s batteries...
Thank God they caught fire right away instead of 10 min later when I was planning on going upstairs 😅
Helps me understand
Quality content 😂👍 so fun to watch… ^^ so 2000deg/s looks a bit like Mr. steeles Style of flying 😂
I feel like I’m the only person that flies rates like mine. I fly 50 center, 500 max, .5 expo. Super controlled and slow adjustment near the center but I can still throw a flip or roll in less than a second. Works well for me, I primarily just skim fields at high speeds and then get height to flip and roll and then dive down again.
Hey Joshua,
Can you maybe make a video on „how to find your custom rates?“
I use a low rates mode on an AUX channel to land precisely
Any chance of a tutorial? That sounds like a great idea.
@@TheVeganarchism These are my rates and switches setup.
Acro Mode:
Rate |S. Rate |Expo |Deg/s
Roll 0.50 |0.71 |0.20 |345
Pitch 0.60 |0.71 |0.20 |414
Yaw 1.30 |0.32 |0.15 |382
Landing Mode:
Rate |S. Rate |Expo |Deg/s
Roll 0.6 |0.5 |0.6 |240
Pitch 0.6 |0.5 |0.6 |240
Yaw 0.6 |0.5 |0.6 |240
Throttle limit (scale): 60%
Throttle middle point: 0.7
Throttle expo: 0.5
Air mode: off
The Yaw on the landing mode is the same as pitch and roll, but it feels much more reduced than the others compared to our usual Acro mode rates. That is meant to provide more control and stability, and it's better to line up the quad with the place you want to land while still in acro mode, before activating this landing mode.
Also notice that there is a 60% throttle scale, also to provide more precision and altitude control, so you have to quickly move the throttle up a little bit as you activate this mode. You also have to tune the throttle MID point to match the throttle needed to hover, as this is different in every quad.
Turning Air Mode off on Landing mode is so that it won't bounce off the surface you're landing on. This way you can just reduce the throttle to land, instead of having to disarm before you touch down like we do on Acro mode.
It takes a bit of practice to get used to it, but not much. You can see some examples of me landing on my car roof at the end of my GEPRC Phantom videos on my youtube account.
(There is a Bardwell video explaining how to set up different rates profiles on AUX switches)
@@gus8378 Thank you so much!
I guess we all learn a little differently. I understood rates because it's obvious. I probably watched 10 videos on expo and couldn't seem to grasp it. This video which is not based around expo at all explained to me in a way that made sense for a non-rocket scientist type like myself. Jb, helping noobs through osmosis
Same here. I had an Aha moment at the expo part. Good stuff.
Elbow rates in 22 like its a new thing
What a great thumbnail 👌
Sure, interesting, educational, learned something new, but the JB laughter though, priceless.
Thank you for this tutorial on beta flight. I am just learning this but now understand rates. Lol you got me laughing
Watching this while setting up a wing on my Tango 2 and thinking maybe a mix for max deflection left and right roll using the momentary buttons F & E
wonder what maxair420 rates are? thing that make me think hmmm.... thanks for playing, Joshua
As Max would say, "rates suck!" Lol
@@SunriseWaterMedia 🤣 i's just bein' punny, you's just bein funny