Xantcha, Sleeper Agent - C18 Deck Tech l The Command Zone 227 l Magic: the Gathering EDH

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Комментарии • 592

  • @dantezco
    @dantezco 6 лет назад +93

    55:45 Dudes, the card says "as she enters the battlefield". Blinking makes her enter the battlefield again, so, she just goes back to him and he wastes a blink.

    • @alexkirner5266
      @alexkirner5266 6 лет назад +10

      How often do you slam your head on the table because of a rules misunderstanding like this?

    • @mugghunter66
      @mugghunter66 6 лет назад

      lol haha Yeah i caught that too as well as they made it sound like Xantchas controller cant activate the ability, along with Sire of Insanity actually states at each end step not just yours.

    • @ADVBCAT
      @ADVBCAT 6 лет назад

      Depends.. how often does a new CZ episode come out?

  • @Jon_East
    @Jon_East 6 лет назад +14

    Seriously, the dynamic between Josh and DJ is SO GOOD. DJ is an awesome additionto the Command Zone podcast. Such a genuine, nice, funny dude. And incredibly enthusiastic. Been watching a lot of Jumbo Commander deck techs - and I don't even play Magic! It's just awesome to hear DJ be excited about new tribal decks.

  • @oogaboogabe3464
    @oogaboogabe3464 6 лет назад +227

    I want to see DJ in Game Knights. Dew it.

    • @thajiid
      @thajiid 6 лет назад +7

      Gabriel Young it's definitely the Jedi way

    • @GuardianAngelEatos
      @GuardianAngelEatos 6 лет назад

      Yes! Thank you for making that reference!

    • @sgtflintlock6904
      @sgtflintlock6904 6 лет назад

      PLEASE!

    • @porkthepink
      @porkthepink 6 лет назад +3

      Should of been done last week with the new commander decks ....

    • @firestormpiccolo
      @firestormpiccolo 6 лет назад +3

      scott wicker would be way better to see some of DJs homebrew decks in action

  • @TheWiggleTuff
    @TheWiggleTuff 6 лет назад +44

    After much debate in the comments section I looked for the official ruling and as it turns out, Xanctha does return under your control when the opponent in control of her leaves the game. WOTC staff themselves answered this question. Also, she never enters under your control on to the battlefield. This is to avoid infinite Mana combos killing you as soon as you play Xantcha and before her etb ability triggers.
    Crazy stuff.

    • @Sheriff_K
      @Sheriff_K 6 лет назад

      So.. if she gets moved to your control by an opponent dying, it ISNT under your control?? I’m confused..

    • @TheWiggleTuff
      @TheWiggleTuff 6 лет назад +2

      Sheriff K Opponent 1 gets ko'd with Xantcha under their control
      Once they leave the game Xantcha goes to your side of the board under your control. Opponents can then use her ability on you

    • @flonaise
      @flonaise 6 лет назад

      Harmless Offering and Bazaar Trader can then give her to the next victim yes?

    • @BlaineTog
      @BlaineTog 6 лет назад

      Jon Flores Yes, unless your opponents kill you with her ability first. You're going to need an instant-speed sac outlet on board, to be safe.

    • @rstrange633
      @rstrange633 5 лет назад

      You're 100% right, and I've thought about this a lot. My best answer is to run a Harmless Offering (to give away when she comes back to me), Assault Suit (to put her back in rotation when she comes back to me), and Diabolic Intent so I can send her back to the command zone and get a Demonic Tutor out of it.

  • @SomeJustice19k
    @SomeJustice19k 6 лет назад +50

    I play Magic once, maybe twice, a week but I brew every day. Absolutely love these videos!

    • @johnperseo1044
      @johnperseo1044 6 лет назад +2

      Mike Justice same here I enjoy brewing bad combos or interesting synergies. Many cards can be broken in the right circumstances.

    • @jenjenhocho3188
      @jenjenhocho3188 6 лет назад +1

      That’s perfectly normal. MtG is boils down to preparation, execution and luck. Plus deck building is fun, scheming and outsmarting your opponent always is, no matter what the game.

  • @achillies43
    @achillies43 6 лет назад +17

    In the case of Roon flickering Xantcha. She enters then you get to choose to give it to someone again. It doesn't stick to you until the player controlling jet loses the game when she reverts back to owner's control

    • @darby2314
      @darby2314 6 лет назад

      Also when it is Exiled, you can could to return it to your command zone. If that were more advantageous.

    • @aaronmiller7775
      @aaronmiller7775 4 года назад

      No she don't she is exiled when her controller dies Rulings: 8/23/2019 In a multiplayer game, if Xantcha’s owner leaves the game, Xantcha leaves the game with them. If Xantcha’s controller leaves the game, Xantcha is exiled. This is a change from previous rulings due to Xantcha’s updated wording.

  • @sanderdebruyn529
    @sanderdebruyn529 6 лет назад +154

    3:50

  • @FaytVanguard
    @FaytVanguard 6 лет назад +16

    I put her in my Mathas Curses Pillow-fort Deck since she is like a curse..... also use debt of loyalty, and Nettlevine Blight..... really fun deck, high skill ceiling. Wish I saw more of it.

    • @flobemoos
      @flobemoos 6 лет назад

      Trent Vickers May I ask you if you got a list of your Marthas deck online?

    • @FaytVanguard
      @FaytVanguard 6 лет назад +1

      deckstats.net/deck-16755620-9e789e17282b47b24023e2c5cd426c29.html

    • @emdub9679
      @emdub9679 6 лет назад

      Do you have a deck list I could look at?

    • @FaytVanguard
      @FaytVanguard 6 лет назад

      ok I just posted it

  • @josephstillings3714
    @josephstillings3714 6 лет назад +11

    Wizards made a A special ruling for Xantcha,
    "In a multiplayer game, if a player leaves the game, all cards that player owns leave as well. If the player under whose control Xantcha entered the battlefield leaves the game, the effect changing control of Xantcha ends."

    • @GuardianAngelEatos
      @GuardianAngelEatos 6 лет назад +1

      Oh wow! I forgot to check the rullings for her now that she's up on Gatherer! Thank you for pointing that out Joseph! That makes a huge difference! So you can't take everyone out with infinite mana since you'll gain control of Xantcha when the player with her leaves the game.

    • @BladewingX
      @BladewingX 6 лет назад +3

      this is not a special rule for xantcha. this is just an explanation of how current rules work.

    • @GuardianAngelEatos
      @GuardianAngelEatos 6 лет назад

      Well that's half true. The first part is how it normally works. The second part is how it works specifically with Xantcha.

    • @chaddejong3942
      @chaddejong3942 6 лет назад

      Also really makes her a lot worse... if someone else has an infinite mana combo they kill whoever has Xantcha then kills you...

    • @GuardianAngelEatos
      @GuardianAngelEatos 6 лет назад

      Yeah that does make her a lot worse. I really wish that they didn't make this special rule for Xantcha so that someone with infinite mana can't kill you using your own commander! Even without infinite mana, you need a way to get rid of Xantcha once the other player is taken out so you're not the one taking the damage from Xantcha.

  • @_somerandomguyontheinternet_
    @_somerandomguyontheinternet_ 6 лет назад +88

    Rules clarification:
    “In a multiplayer game, if a player leaves the game, all cards that player owns leave as well. If the player under whose control Xantcha entered the battlefield leaves the game, the effect changing control of Xantcha ends.
    (2018-07-13)”
    Make sure you have sac outlets before you kill the guy who has it.

    • @shadowshyamin8712
      @shadowshyamin8712 6 лет назад +10

      Man That Games wait so if someone dies from xantcha you can't zone her

    • @darkmagiks3605
      @darkmagiks3605 6 лет назад +14

      You can zone her because it is a replacement effect. The player that is defeated by which ever means. Removes from play all cards they control and own from the table. Because the Commander is being "removed" you can put it back into your command zone.

    • @lestertjester4140
      @lestertjester4140 6 лет назад +4

      This is where assault suit comes in play. If you regain control of Xantcha, equip her and give it back on their turn.

    • @dewolx7411
      @dewolx7411 6 лет назад +6

      Joseph Finnemore wrong

    • @BlaineTog
      @BlaineTog 6 лет назад +28

      This is correct. Once her ETB control effect ends, her owner immediately gains control of her. No zone change happens (she never leaves the battlefield) so you don't get a chance to move her to the command zone. You need an instant-speed sac outlet on board when she reverts control or your remaining opponents can just activate her a bunch of times and kill you.
      This is honestly an enormous mistake by Josh and DJ. A lot of playgroups are going to get into arguments over this, and a lot of Xantcha players are going to feel like they made a huge mistake bringing her to the table as they die to their own commander.

  • @GunplaSpot
    @GunplaSpot 6 лет назад +8

    My built with Xantcha is discard themed. So everyone tempted to use xantcha ability and kill someone.

  • @EggyBagelface93
    @EggyBagelface93 6 лет назад +3

    It's important to note that she doesn't ETB then go to another player's field, she is cast into another player's field. This is an important distinction because of if someone has topor orb or other similar effects

    • @siosilvar
      @siosilvar 6 лет назад +2

      True! "As Xantcha ETB, give her to somebody else" is a replacement effect, not a trigger. 614.1c

  • @stephensilverstein4855
    @stephensilverstein4855 6 лет назад +1

    Dauthi Embrace (really messes with combat also gives Xantcha unblockable), Inner Demon (cast on Xantcha to make her a 7/7 flyer while giving mini boardwipe), Unnatural Hunger, War's Toll, Brand of Ill Omen, Blessing of Leeches just a few ideas.

  • @Arvensa
    @Arvensa 6 лет назад +2

    47:00 -- Xantcha causes loss of life, not damage. It won't trigger Sower of Discord. This has been a point in every video I've seen anyone make. Sower would just go infinite with itself otherwise.
    50:44 -- Xantcha's controller can still activate her ability. It will just cost them 2 life each time as a disincentive.

    • @Arvensa
      @Arvensa 6 лет назад

      Man it's a huge let-down that so many popular, solid archetypes hose Xantcha. I guess I'll build Mathas/Marchesa as the commander instead, after all.

    • @ChinoLayne9
      @ChinoLayne9 6 лет назад

      Xantcha still has to attack for 5 every turn! Sower of Discord works with that aspect of her.

  • @Camber126
    @Camber126 4 года назад

    I used this as a base to build from, tweaked a few things to play better in my group (5-8 players every week) My Xantcha sits in a solid 2nd place, as far as overall strength, in our group. Thanks for the help getting started with her

  • @JungzYT
    @JungzYT 6 лет назад +3

    I feel like bloodchiefs ascension + mindcrank combo works extremely well in this deck

  • @xuldinga77
    @xuldinga77 6 лет назад +1

    I would have pestilence and Pyrohemia as an auto include. Giving Xantcha shadow with Dauthi Embrace
    and Dauthi Trapper will be hilarious. Doubling the damage with Avatar of Slaughter and Dictate of Twin Gods will end games quickly. I love it.

  • @yoitsgunattack
    @yoitsgunattack 6 лет назад +7

    im waiting for the part josh goes" you play mana you use that mana to draw cards... what does every 2 decks need? mana ramp and card draw"

  • @PhazonOmega
    @PhazonOmega 6 лет назад +1

    Love the feel and flavor of this card, and just learned when watching this that Xantcha was already a character! Adds so much to the flavor! Odd she's Rakdos all things considered, yet not odd. I'd like to build a deck around her. :)

  • @Marshall5136
    @Marshall5136 6 лет назад

    Balduvian warlord is in our pauper cube. The worst combat headache we ran into was. When warlord and wall of frost were on one side of the board. And a vigilant prized unicorn and some other creatures on one side. It was a nightmare. Lol

  • @kennethcastella9107
    @kennethcastella9107 6 лет назад +2

    Make sure you put in an elixir of immortality. It allows you to go infinite without worrying about the number of cards in deck. Also paradox engine.

  • @ryangainey94
    @ryangainey94 6 лет назад

    The biggest problem with getting Xantcha to work is a mix of about 3 things when I've tried using her. For one: SAC EFFECTS. Any opponent with a Viscera Seer, Ashnod's Altar, etc or other sac effects, you simply can't donate Xantcha to because they will immediately remove it. Even if they're the political threat, there's no way you can hand Xantcha over to them unless you have the infinite mana to kill off someone else first, gain control of your commander again, equip to it that one equipment that prevents it being sacrificed, then donating it on board with a bazaar trader -- and that all along the way has the risks of people drawing cards and making YOU lose life in response.
    Two: Xantcha is still your commander, which means she's dealing 5 commander damage whenever she hits someone. It will only take 5 hits to make someone lose the game. This means they're attempting to block it at all costs, and they don't find the pay 3 draw a card enough of a reason to let it stick around. Instead, more than half the time I use it, everybody else politics to say " I'll get rid of Xantcha for you and you don't hit me and we can kill that other guy together". 5 damage, even without the commander damage aspect, is also 1/8 a player's starting life total anyway, and the fact that you're getting it out cheaply makes opponents want to kill you first, even if you have incentives and disincentives around to manipulate combat. They'll find it worth it.
    Three: You can never choose to have her enter under your own control for even temporary use as a blocker. If you don't draw creatures and/or someone keeps using creature removal, you're totally screwed. Sure there's ways to disincentivize, like marchesa's decree, hissing miasma, circle of flame, caltrops... But none of those are exactly the same thing as a ghostly prison or propaganda. Xantcha is red and black -- there's not very many things you can do to stop people swinging at you, and Xantcha won't block for you till you kill somebody first.
    You CAN run solutions for all these problems together, but drawing these solutions to every problem at once, even if you've got the mana... People will see you drawing a ton of cards and want to focus you first anyway.

  • @papamaples617
    @papamaples617 6 лет назад +11

    Kindred dominance. Name minion

  • @danieltaber4924
    @danieltaber4924 6 лет назад

    Xantcha works quite well in the face of Blink, actually.
    You giving her to an opponent is a replacement effect of her entering the battlefield, so you can just give her back to the Roon player.

  • @robinmarks4771
    @robinmarks4771 6 лет назад

    The Xantcha deck I just finished brewing definitely relies heavily on the infinite mana strategy, but also utilizes an arsenal of finisher spells (Exsanguinate, Torment of Hailfire, Comet Storm, Fanning the Flames, and Jaya's Immolating Inferno) into which I can dump infinite mana as a wincon in the event that Xantcha is offline. Pretty stoked to run this deck!

  • @dpetley
    @dpetley 6 лет назад

    Oracle on Nettling Imp:
    Tap: Choose target non-Wall creature the active player has controlled continuously since the beginning of the turn. That creature attacks this turn if able. Destroy it at the beginning of the next end step if it didn't attack this turn. Activate this ability only during an opponent's turn, before attackers are declared.

  • @Troommate
    @Troommate 6 лет назад +1

    Only Problem I have is the amount of Sacrifice in Commander
    Me: "Here have a Xantcha"
    BOB: "Thanks...Sacrificed"
    Me: "Great...."

  • @shayneweyker
    @shayneweyker 6 лет назад +1

    Assault Suit and Rite of the Raging Storm are nicely on theme with the general and don't care as much about sac outlets.

  • @ericbreiner6012
    @ericbreiner6012 6 лет назад

    Paradox Engine + several mana rocks: tap mana rocks for mana, activate Xantcha draw a button of cards, cast ritual, paradox engine untaps mana rocks, rinse and repeat
    So deadly... especially in the late game if its 1 v 1 and they have the advantage over you but you 're holding a few rituals in hand, could give you the millage to close out the game

  • @Espeonkilledyou
    @Espeonkilledyou 6 лет назад

    Braid of fire is big in this. Cumulative upkeep add R. So when you have Xantcha in play, you can use that mana to draw cards and drain your opponent without penalty.

  • @almightyfireduck1135
    @almightyfireduck1135 6 лет назад

    Thanks guys!!! I'll have you know I've been really looking forward to this ever since Xantcha got spoiled! Been deck teching for weeks now XD

  • @ChriSaito
    @ChriSaito 6 лет назад +6

    Wait, if Xantcha were flickered, wouldn't she still go to someone else? Isn't her effect an ETB? So she'd flicker and re-enter the battlefield and she would trigger and go to someone again.

    • @BlaineTog
      @BlaineTog 6 лет назад +4

      Yes, she would go to a different player. Also, she returns to you when her controller dies. She never changes zones so you don't get a chance to move her to the command zone. They're being really sloppy with their rules interpretations this episode.

    • @BladewingX
      @BladewingX 6 лет назад +2

      it's not an ETB. it's even better than that, it is a replacement. She isn't even under your control for one second, she immediately enters and switches sides before anybody can react.

  • @emdub9679
    @emdub9679 6 лет назад +1

    How I would put Xantcha in a deck: Use Mathas as the commander, then I have access to Tragic Arrogance (destroy every nonland except Xantcha) Old Odric(combat control) Path to exile (exile flicker creatures before they exile your stuff) Mystic Barrier (more combat control) Queen Marchesa (yaaas Queen) and Suture Priest. Xantcha is a 99 for me, not a general.
    The design is simple, Give people creatures so they can hit one another with them. If they turn on you hit them with a Crackling Doom, lessen the impact. you also have pillow fort in white which helps in the regard as well.
    Mathas is there to put counters on the problem cards or the tokens you have given them.

    • @TheWiggleTuff
      @TheWiggleTuff 6 лет назад

      Marchesa is a better commander. Mathas doesn't work to well against other commander's as if they do get destroyed they go back to commander zone instead of a dying to trigger the bounty. I tried Mathas and found Marchesa to be better as she has haste, death touch, better card draw, and token generation

    • @emdub9679
      @emdub9679 6 лет назад

      I can always switch them around

  • @jetuhajice
    @jetuhajice 6 лет назад

    I have been building a Xantcha deck that is a reverse voltron build that also uses cards like hijack to "borrow" your commander for a turn to get extra damage in a round.

  • @MunchKING
    @MunchKING 6 лет назад

    That bit about the submarine, from what I understand it was actually a huge part of Navy guys pushback against the X-Box One being always online, or requiring daily logins. Sometimes you're in a submarine and can't get good Internet connections. :D

  • @TashasHideousLaughter
    @TashasHideousLaughter 6 лет назад

    I like using Undying Evil effects to get around people sac'ing her or boardwiping. She comes back, then goes to a new opponent

  • @firemaker282
    @firemaker282 6 лет назад +1

    also flicker actually helps because xantcha says "enters the battlefield" so if they flicker and give it back to you, can just give it right back or to someone else.

  • @williamcastro4440
    @williamcastro4440 6 лет назад

    Giving and controlling regenerate on Xancha gives much more leeway! "Blessing of Leeches" is a MUST PLAY!

  • @steffenpabst3432
    @steffenpabst3432 6 лет назад

    I love that crown of doom! Totally underrated - and seeing my playgroup's faces when I play it is priceless.

  • @anthonydelfino6171
    @anthonydelfino6171 6 лет назад

    I feel like you want cards that take advantage of her a little more. So a card like War’s Toll will force everyone to tap their mana, and Xantcha is a good place to sink that extra mana, and it forces the player with Xantcha to attack with everything, leaving them open to other players to attack. I also think Rakdos Lord of Riots is a great creature here that becomes so easy to cast with a Xantcha activation.

  • @And-Ham
    @And-Ham 6 лет назад

    No Mercy also has flavor text from a sleeper agent lol 44:35

  • @arachniderchen1788
    @arachniderchen1788 6 лет назад

    Thank you for this :-D
    I really appreciate this xantcha show! hahaha!
    was playing commander with friends a week ago; one of them play the windgrace's deck right off the box.
    he played xantcha to a friend, and this friend eventually died because of the pay 3 to draw cards effect from xantcha. afraid that the "fun" will be died soon, I summon stunt double, copying xantcha before it dies. but my other friend reanimate the original xantcha on his next turn. this card is extremely fun for casual laughter!

  • @Goddessofblundr
    @Goddessofblundr 6 лет назад

    Monarch is the best mechanic in a long time. Forcing the game to move along and creating an advantage for attacking is a huge boon.

  • @djskype020202
    @djskype020202 6 лет назад

    I love the contrast that DJ brings. It's good to have someone who has a varying opinion on things. For both the host don't have the same opinion on a lot of things. I get to see other perspectives

  • @jdmoralesp
    @jdmoralesp 6 лет назад

    The most natural way for the opponents to deal with xantcha is to cut a deal with someone and attack to be blocked by a bigger creature. Besides toxic deluge I would add bedlam to avoid blocking and kaervek, the merciless to deal with big blockers

  • @jessewieman6226
    @jessewieman6226 6 лет назад

    Xantcha is going straight into my O-Kagachi assault suit deck. A lot of the cards mentioned are already in that deck. It’s group tHUG deck

  • @Ceraphis2626
    @Ceraphis2626 6 лет назад

    Good old polluted bonds and wound reflection. My buddy uses those in a drain deck with Sanguine bond, and the damage stacks quickly.

  • @ImAdiver11
    @ImAdiver11 5 лет назад

    My xantcha deck is built around commander damage. It's all huge pump enchantments, gain control until end of turn (so she swings twice each rotation), and target creature is unblockable.

  • @houstonhall1851
    @houstonhall1851 6 лет назад

    I also suggest him deathmantle. Returns your xantcha attached to deathmantle giving it +2/+2, does everything you want it to

  • @IBeScrappyDoo2
    @IBeScrappyDoo2 3 года назад

    Another great card for Xantcha is "Dauthi Embrace" it gives Xantcha (shadow).

  • @wurdofwizdumb1928
    @wurdofwizdumb1928 3 года назад

    This guy is the best host/guest this show has had. You should honestly just hire him and find room for him more.

  • @darkmagiks3605
    @darkmagiks3605 6 лет назад

    Also another kinda hilarious thing with xantcha is giving her to a player with conjurer's closet or deadeye. Which can give her back to the owner. After the blink of course

  • @kalebburbine4056
    @kalebburbine4056 6 лет назад

    Endbringer is a great target for Brudiclad token shenanigans if you want more decks it could possibly fit in.

  • @ComfyDents
    @ComfyDents 6 лет назад

    I think it could be great fun to build Xantcha as a weird voltron deck.
    I guess it will be challenging to make it work without equipments and having small control over the attacks.
    My first idea were Key to the city and auras that give evasion like Madcap Skills. Hatred and other combat tricks could be interesting.
    Horror of Horrors could be useful to save Xantcha multiple times.

  • @Goldenbelmont
    @Goldenbelmont 6 лет назад +1

    Don't rememeber if it was mentioned, Mystifying Maze exiles Xantcha and brings her back, allowing you to donate her to another player. Useful when a player is getting low and you want to hand her to another opponent

  • @AhranMaoDante
    @AhranMaoDante 6 лет назад +3

    Sower of Discord doesn't work with Xantcha's activated ability. Sower of Discord links damage between the 2 targets, not loss of life. They are different. It also doesn't work with Wound Reflection or Polluted Bonds.

    • @ZubairMojaddedi
      @ZubairMojaddedi 6 лет назад +1

      Arhen Dante no but it works with Xantcha's must attack if able damage, and that is 5 damage, which you then control the blockers of with the rakdos control elements. So it works just not with the activated ablity

  • @godtiermtg
    @godtiermtg 6 лет назад +18

    Can’t wait for the arixmethes deck tech

    • @copperfield42
      @copperfield42 6 лет назад

      yeah me too

    • @NECROLORDZ
      @NECROLORDZ 6 лет назад

      Do they do this for every new legendary?

    • @copperfield42
      @copperfield42 6 лет назад

      NECROLORDZ
      No, only a few, 3 tend to be the usual...

  • @ghostcritic8508
    @ghostcritic8508 6 лет назад

    If you love play politics at Commander I recomend Xantcha Curse decks and as Rakdos color you may choose any finisher you want.

  • @reeeep60
    @reeeep60 6 лет назад +1

    "In a multiplayer game, if a player leaves the game, all cards that player owns leave as well. If the player under whose control Xantcha entered the battlefield leaves the game, the effect changing control of Xantcha ends."
    Copy pasted from gatherer. If the player controlling xancha dies, xancha goes back to their owner

    • @reeeep60
      @reeeep60 6 лет назад

      the actual rule that applies to this is this:
      800.4a. When a player leaves the game, all objects (see rule 109) owned by that player leave the game, any effects which give that player control of any objects or players end, and all spells and abilities controlled by that player on the stack cease to exist. Then, if there are any objects still controlled by that player, those objects are exiled. This is not a state-based action. It happens as soon as the player leaves the game. If the player who left the game had priority at the time he or she left, priority passes to the next player in turn order who’s still in the game.

    • @ozrithclay6921
      @ozrithclay6921 6 лет назад

      Yeah it's a ruling that only applies to her.
      Because it's (supposedly) not an etb.
      So she doesn't land and then gets passed to someone. So I don't understand for the life of me how they gain control of her.
      A replacement effect should read "This card enters the battlefield under the control of an opponent of your choice".
      It quite literally says as it enters the battlefield someone gains control of it.
      Again, outside of it being a completely unique rule to this one card I can't for the life of me understand how it can both be a replacement effect and control of it being "gained".

    • @reeeep60
      @reeeep60 6 лет назад

      it applies to any control effect that isnt bribery, telemarin performance, or something else that does that. stuff like galina or olivia volderen would give the permemnant back to their owner

  • @Bloodaegisx
    @Bloodaegisx 6 лет назад +2

    Cmon, it was in the release notes.
    You can’t put Xantcha into the command zone after you generate infinite mana and kill the person who has her, it was basic reading, it comes back to your side of the table.

    • @reeeep60
      @reeeep60 6 лет назад

      they made the video before the card was released so the notes didn't exist at that time

    • @mrsplays9817
      @mrsplays9817 6 лет назад +2

      They could still see the rules made for what happens when someone leaves a multiplayer game. Control effects end.

  • @Sentinel851
    @Sentinel851 6 лет назад

    I'd love to see a dark voltron style deck for Xantcha, using enchantments and the like to buff her, and a lot of combat tricks to give double strike and stuff like that, so she's less likely to be removed, and playing off the commander damage death, rather than pissing off the whole table with the slow burn effects.
    if you've got the creatures out to buff "target creature gets +1/+1 and first strike" type effects, I could see this deck doing really well, particularly if you're otherwise drawing the ire of the table by having "whenever x happens, you lose y life" type effects out, and it means you've got an answer for the zerg rush decks, and if Xantcha gets destroyed too many times, you have an alternate option, of doing a horde of your own.

  • @EliyaSelhub
    @EliyaSelhub 6 лет назад

    More ways to control combat: Fumiko the Lowblood, Goblin Diplomats, Grenzo Havoc Raiser. You'll also want some permanent removal like Chaos Warp to deal with sac outlets, as well as targeted land destruction.

  • @samk8005
    @samk8005 6 лет назад

    53:30 on, Turns out, Xantcha's bad against everything. But she still seems fun :) Also, it would be hilarious having a Xantcha deck with Zedruu at the table.

  • @MehrGills
    @MehrGills 6 лет назад +12

    you can activate xantcha if u control it to pay 2 life and draw a card for 3

    • @Cromaxus
      @Cromaxus 6 лет назад

      Not just if you control it bud 😏

  • @terekhaehl1216
    @terekhaehl1216 6 лет назад

    So, I want about building her as a goblin deck, using pretty standard Goblin tribal themes, but the payoff is the ability to use Mana echoes to generate obsene Mana. The trick is once you have the two and play with a fair number of goblins playing Goblin recruiter will allow you to play every single Goblin in your deck in one turn, sometimes generating enough incidental Mana to kill an entire table

  • @Tacklepig
    @Tacklepig 6 лет назад

    I'd definitely play Spiteful Visions in this list. Not only does it punish everyone for activating Xantcha even more, it also speeds up the game immensely.
    I've had a B/R commander deck based around punishing entchantments and general disruption effects for quite a while. It's basically like a Zo-Zu the Punisher deck plus black for things like Underworld Dreams, Sudden Spoiling, Pestilence and Sire of Insanity. I had been looking for a good commander for that deck for quite a while, but I hadn't found one quite as fitting as Xantcha yet. I'll make sure everyone in my playgroup hates this :D

  • @kellylogs2642
    @kellylogs2642 6 лет назад

    Weird thing that happened to me the other day is that I sat down with the new Saheeli to do exactly this and brew my own version of a deck for her from scratch. What I came up with has, not counting lands or Saheeli herself, 27 cards in common with the precon which I found really strange as I had little to no memory of what cards were in the deck off the top of my head other than staples. But, on the other hand, it makes picking up that precon worth it so I will not complain. And, in any case, I can definitely guarantee my deck will play NOTHING like the precon.

  • @GuardianAngelEatos
    @GuardianAngelEatos 6 лет назад

    Oh man this episode! So many cards that see little to no play, great humor as always, and overall great! I couldn't help but grin for almost the entire episode! Great ideas Josh and DJ!
    Oh man! Jimmy's going to be away for a few more months?
    I'm so happy that Heartstone works so well with Xantcha because of the flavor this card has with Xantcha!
    I've never seen or heard of Balduvian Warlord or Nettling Imp! What a ridiculous ability and a confusing ability! The wording on the very old cards from back when Mtg was new always cracks me up! The wording is so bad!
    Oh wow! I didn't think of Wildfire! I've been thinking of putting in damage board wipes that don't kill Xantcha to help clear the board so she can get through while staying alive, and it synergizies with cards that card about damage like Repercussion, Treacherous Link, Sower of Discord, Neheb the Eternal, and Archfiend of Despair. What do you think of those cards in a Xantcha deck? Also what about Mana Flare, Victory Chimes, Bitter Feud, War's Toll, and enchantments that protect Xantcha like Blessing of Leeches, Molting Snakeskin, and Soul Channeling?
    I completely forgot about Psychosis Crawler! Yeah that's so good with Xantcha!

  • @shayneweyker
    @shayneweyker 6 лет назад

    May want Invasion Plans and Nihil Spellbomb. Pestillence and Pyrohemia are decent for board control and bringing down life totals too.

  • @mikemoyer8162
    @mikemoyer8162 6 лет назад

    That stupid Crown of Doom card came out of the first Planeswalker commander decks. We were playing out of box and I got stomped after Daretti's Goblin welder swapped my sol ring for it. I was salty. It was an excellent play.

  • @NicksMagicstorytime
    @NicksMagicstorytime 6 лет назад

    I love the deck, but the last bit about the problems are a big problem. Looks super fun in the right pod though. To get around some of the problems, and getting Xantcha returned to your control, have an Assault Suit ready. No more sacing her and everyone gets a chance to have her. Maybe play a few more threaten effects to take advantage of this too. Would love to see this deck played on Game Knights. Invite DJ to play it.

  • @ethansieg603
    @ethansieg603 6 лет назад

    Xantcha can absolutely draw cards for the person you give it to. The ability literally says "ANY player may activate this ability"

  • @amalaspina
    @amalaspina 6 лет назад

    My personal favorite infinite mana combo is and Island with fertile ground, horseshoe crab, and earthcraft.

    • @amalaspina
      @amalaspina 6 лет назад

      Granted it contains no black or red, but it was the engine of my legacy weapon deck back in the day, so nostalgia is a factor

  • @themantyf1116
    @themantyf1116 6 лет назад

    I love Xantcha and those are interesting strategies, I plan to use her in my Mathas deck to create more political mayhem around the table rather than having her as the commander and main strategy, however.

  • @Mr.Revaren
    @Mr.Revaren 6 лет назад

    Remider: Xantcha controller still can activate her last ability to draw cards. He/She just takes damage for it. Redeploying it wont stop someone who has advantage from drawing more, if they have life to spare.

  • @alexkirner5266
    @alexkirner5266 6 лет назад

    A note about flicker. Xhancha says “as she enters the battlefield” meaning you just get to give it away again

  • @RecklessFables
    @RecklessFables 5 лет назад

    7/13/2018 In a multiplayer game, if a player leaves the game, all cards that player owns leave as well. If the player under whose control Xantcha entered the battlefield leaves the game, the effect changing control of Xantcha ends. Because Xantcha’s replacement effect creates a continuous effect causing another player to control it, Xantcha isn’t exiled.

  • @Fyngys
    @Fyngys 6 лет назад +2

    the player with xantcha can draw cards, xantcha's ability says any player can use it, not just players other than xantcha's controller, so they can draw cards, they just have to take 2 each time

    • @Fyngys
      @Fyngys 6 лет назад

      also if someone flickers xantcha her first effect goes off again and you just get to choose someone else to give xantcha to

    • @Fyngys
      @Fyngys 6 лет назад

      i'd consider running a small curse package with some of the best curses plus curse of misfortunes to let you put some focus and pressure on decks like meren, there are actually quite a few curses in red and black that have effects that don't rely on the player being attacked to do anything, like curse of oblivion that forces them to exile cards from the graveyard at their upkeep.

    • @phelandiller4066
      @phelandiller4066 6 лет назад

      Thank you I noticed this immediately like uhh the controller is not excluded they just take damage

  • @andrewlaverghetta715
    @andrewlaverghetta715 6 лет назад +2

    I MISS JIMMY!!!!
    But I love DJ too. He’s cool.

  • @hellehundt1
    @hellehundt1 6 лет назад

    Notably Xantcha is fine against Roon, because she gets sent to a person on etb. So if someone flickers Xantcha back to you....you just get to choose her target again.

  • @Trumpetman393
    @Trumpetman393 6 лет назад

    For those who didn't hear. We know what Jimmy is up to.
    "Jimmy is getting down to business, to defeat everyone.
    Did you bring your counters? when he storms off on turn one.
    You'll be the saddest group he ever meet, but you can bet before the he's through.
    Jimmy will be the last one standing dude!!"

  • @goldenmajestic9007
    @goldenmajestic9007 5 лет назад

    Rowan Kenrith's emblem is spicy with Xantcha too.

  • @JdTheMetalhead
    @JdTheMetalhead 6 лет назад

    Cats out of the bag, Jimmy has been away cuz he landed a role in the live action Mulan movie. Congrats to him!

  • @welshmanthebestbanana3635
    @welshmanthebestbanana3635 6 лет назад

    I like the idea of using sleeper agent to turn the free for all into a 2vs by giving the person you gave xantcha to buff and those auras that buff creatures and they can't attack you. Make them your own sleep agent

  • @nickfitzpatrick5878
    @nickfitzpatrick5878 6 лет назад

    Don't forget about Kindred Dominance. She is a minion type and I don't know about yoi but most people play that many minion creature types.

  • @DonovanPresents
    @DonovanPresents 6 лет назад

    Xantcha could make a "pin the enemy" kind of deck where you MAKE a target player the most "threatening" with Akroan Horse, Curse of Opulence, and Sleeper Agent.

  • @greed0and0fear
    @greed0and0fear 6 лет назад

    It really sucks not to have Jimmy there, but really, congrats to him! Huge opportunity landing that role he got!

  • @andrewcamacho5258
    @andrewcamacho5258 6 лет назад +3

    Nice Canterbury jersey

  • @jfezz1726
    @jfezz1726 6 лет назад

    Rules mistakes in the comments are consistently misleading.
    1)When exiled by a Roon effect you may choose to put your commander in the command zone. Roons delayed triggered ability WILL pull it back out of the command zone.
    2) Xantcha does not have an ETB effect. The ability that results in her changing control is a condition of the spell resolving and is considered a replacement effect and does not place an ability on the stack. Just like a clone effect.
    3) The replacement effect is considered a continuous effect and ends if Xantchas controller dies. Reverting control back to its original caster. This is the first instance of this interaction that I've encountered.

  • @andrewhernandez1917
    @andrewhernandez1917 6 лет назад

    Call me crazy but I really like Xantcha in my Saskia build. She doesn't completely synergize with her but makes combat a priority and can finish off another player if you politic enough.

  • @RaginKavu
    @RaginKavu 6 лет назад

    Norrit! It does the same as Nettling Imp.

  • @russanthony9963
    @russanthony9963 5 лет назад

    A perfect deck for Balthor the Defiled!

  • @spencersonnier1
    @spencersonnier1 6 лет назад

    It's funny DJ mentioned Gahiji considering he sent my buddy Norman a Gahiji deck after Harvey. Lol

  • @Enterblathnir
    @Enterblathnir 6 лет назад

    Mana flare. Enable the whole table to activate Xantcha easier.

  • @samanthawarren7554
    @samanthawarren7554 6 лет назад

    OMG Congratulations Jimmy!!!! You will be the PERFECT Ling. I might actually have to give the live-action Mulan a chance, just to support!

  • @silversilhouette7236
    @silversilhouette7236 6 лет назад

    Jimmy is working on a disney movie. So cool to see that!!!

  • @SingerOfW
    @SingerOfW 6 лет назад

    Reminder that the Heartstone depicted on the card does, in fact, belong to Xantcha. No wonder they work so well together.

  • @Swisc717
    @Swisc717 6 лет назад

    Y'all joked in the intro, but I downloaded and listened to a lot of episodes of the command zone on a submarine.

  • @collinmcmican4085
    @collinmcmican4085 5 лет назад

    Ive tryed curses and its really fun and really persuasive

  • @mrselfdistrucht5565
    @mrselfdistrucht5565 6 лет назад

    I'm psyched. This is the commander I wanted to play with since it was spoiled...