Appreciate the measurements but in case someone else follows this thread and makes the same mistake I did, those horizontal pieces on the lower traction loss measure about 21.5 not 31. Luckily i ordered 31 and just cut them down. It can also be figured by subtracting the width of the 2-40/120's plus 10" each side. Thought this may help someone. Thanks for everything!
Great video! Very helpful. I had a hard time finding it, as the title of the video is slightly mis-spelled ("Measurments") and thus didn't show up. Just calling out in case you want to update to make this more visible to the community. Thanks again!
I found the measurements for the bottom platform but in another video for the traction loss frames you mention they are 40x120 and in this one you mention they are 40x80 which is too small to fit the TL plates that come with the kit I believe?
First of all, thank you very much for your video series!! It has motivated me to also consider a DIY solution, and all of your explanations have been very helpful. Due to limitations in my man cave, I'm wondering if it's really necessary to have such a wide stand in the back. The TL doesn't seem to utilize all of that space, right? Is it for stability reasons, or can it be narrower? How far it swings from left to right probably also depends on how far back I would mount the TL actuator. I only have 42-43 inches available. Have a nice day!:)
Thank you for proving such a detailed explanation for your rig build. My question is on the surge and traction loss platforms. Is there a specific reason why you went with 3080 and not 4040. Also did you buy European standard aluminum profile or American. Choosing 4040 European standard aluminum profile would reduce cost and weight by half. Is there a requirement for your choice. Thanks
Hey - These profiles are a mix of 40x80, 40x120 and 40x40 pieces. I did not use 3080. I bought them from framingtech.com located in newyork and they also cut them to the size I needed.
Did you attach the long 4080 profile on the upper TL frame to the 40120 shorter profile of the frame by drilling through the profile or did you use gussets? Same question for the corners of the and actuator mounts (shorter profiles in the middle) for the surge frame.
@@simul8master thanks for the quick response. noted it down. also the lengths of the top TL vertical pcs, they would be the 40x120 pcs. Thanks for your time and effort. sorry if i missed it somehow. it also may be in your assembly vid which i have not seen yet.
@10:04 you mention that the two front-to-back pieces of extrusion in the lower traction-loss frame are 40x80s - I believe that they are 40x120s (because the plate that is supplied with the kit is about 120mm wide) unless you let the plate hang over the edge. Is that right or am I missing something?
They are 40x80s. I am talking about the top frame of the TL not the bottom frame. For the bottom frame, yes they are 40x120. I will have a video soon for the TL.
Great video. I have subscribed and wait for some more content from you. I would like in the later stage add the surge but I am not much into traction loss (I mostly drive GT3s and don't have too much space in the room). Where did you get all the info needed for the build? I was looking on the internet to get some info about the surge platform but wasn't particularly successful
Not much info really anywhere. Did it myself. looked at some images provided by eracing lab and some questions to Alex from eracing lab. Planning to put all this into a pdf as well as a guide for others.
@@simul8master that would be awesome, if you would make a video about it. My main interest is: how the frame should be built, what would be the proper size of the surge frame (especially considering that there would be no Traction Loss platform, so 4 actuators would be attached to it), would there be a need of a secondary frame under the surge in case I do not do the traction loss, how to properly combine the surge frame with the actual rig - myself I use Sim-Lab GT1 Evo but I guess the principals would be fairly the same regardless if it is sim-lab like mine, trackracer like yours or some other aluminum extrusion, travel of the rig while using the surge from eracing lab (that would be quite helpful as I think I am not the only one who is using a small room where every inch (in America) and every centimeter (in Europe) counts 😅)
What are the width's on the 40x160 (2 x 40x80) pieces that you have circled at 12:52? They are the center 2 cross sections. I'm trying to get most of my extrusion pre-cut. I'm going to use US 15 series (1.5") Extrusion for mine :) Thanks for posting these!
He used 51" for the end piece. Subtract 20" for the cross pieces inset (10" on each side). Subtract (approximately - conversion from mm to in) 9.5" for the width of the two 120mm cross sections. That leaves 21.5" I believe. I'm building one based on the ASR6 which is 22" wide (instead of 19 5/8" on the TR160), so my numbers will be about 24.5"
Hi, thx for the great video. What is the function of the front 40x160 in the lower traction lost module? I understand that the first one in the middle must have this dimension in order to provide enough space in the depth to be able to additionally attach the mounting for the actuator. The front cross brace only holds the rotation fixer, which would also look more central on a 40x120 profile. Is there anything i am missing?
While you post that video, and knowing you're super-busy, can you tell me / show me how you fixed the TL actuator to the TL frames? I believe that the actuator goes on the middle horizontal frame (on the lower TL platform), but it's not clear to me how and where to fix it to.
Excellent videos. I just completed my build on a NLR F-GT ELITE chassis. It was a little more complicated than the TR chassis. Regarding your surge. How much surge are you getting? Mine is not very noticeable. EDIT: Also, there is no way I would have been able to complete this project without your videos. KUDOS!
Hi brianh7293 I also have a NLR F-GT ELITE chassis and I'm just beginning my measurements for the traction loss kit, can you share your measurements or if you have any tips or advice that you can share that would be great.
As I was designing my layout based on yours, I couldn't help but notice your front actuators are behind the Wheel Deck upright. What made you put it behind it vs in front, and what's the distance between your actuators? Was it based on your seat position to try and get the best center of gravity? thx!
The closer the actuator together the more movement you’ll get out of it. Recommendation is about 900mm front/rear actuator distance and you’ll get around 13 degrees of pitch compared to 9 degrees of pitch if they are about 1250mm apart.
@@simul8master Awesome, thanks! That's what I understood, but just wasn't sure. Based on your TL Top Frame length of 34.5" or ~800mm, I figured you had them at 750-800mm or so apart. I was just trying to gauge to build mine. I want as much pitch as possible as i'll be doing DCS and MSFS as well.
I have other videos explaining all this. The actuator does not connect to your actual rig. The actuator will connect to the surge platform. Your actual rig will then sit on the surge platform and connect to it via brackets.
@@simul8masterI am in the process of building this rig. When attaching the actuators, no measurement is given for vertical offset so that there is enough clearance from the surge and traction platforms. What offset would you recommend.
How dose the rig connect to the surge platform, I see sliders on each side, so they screw into the rig frame ? I'm not sure about the location and where everything go, if you could make a video showing how things connect that would be great. Thanks again.@@simul8master
It looks like it would be safe to decrease the length of the rear piece on the lower traction-loss frame by about 10" or so based on the 3(ish) inches of travel it can swing in either direction. Would you agree? I watched your traction-loss test video and it looks like you had 5 or 6 inches to spare on each side of that piece when the rear of the rig was at the extremes of that actuator's position. I'd like to limit that specific part of the rig's footprint if possible so I'm checking with you first before I order aluminum. I'd rather not cut any if possible.
On a related question, I am also suffering from space limitations. If these actuators' maximum displacement is 150 mm, wouldn't it be enough to have the back of the lower traction loss platform to be just 150 mm wider than the maximum width of the surge platform with the actuators? In your measurements, perhaps just adding 3" on each side of the back, for a total of 7" inches more than the front part? So, it would be 31"+7"=38" as the minimum required width on the back?
PRO TIP: If you have a business, make a business account at a local 80/20 distributor. I sent my order over for all the below cuts and based it on the retail pricing... I got 70% off.... ALL these cuts were $168, 5840mm worth and 8 cuts. lol: # of Pieces Size Length of Cut 2 40x80 1300 2 40X80 500 2 40X80 200 2 40x80 920
@@dofmaster106 holds up pretty well! Same results as power coat to be honest. If you scratch it will show :) if you take care of it, it will be just fine.
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Appreciate the measurements but in case someone else follows this thread and makes the same mistake I did, those horizontal pieces on the lower traction loss measure about 21.5 not 31. Luckily i ordered 31 and just cut them down. It can also be figured by subtracting the width of the 2-40/120's plus 10" each side. Thought this may help someone. Thanks for everything!
Thank you so much for this. I am about to get all my parts. This is so valuable.
Great video! Very helpful. I had a hard time finding it, as the title of the video is slightly mis-spelled ("Measurments") and thus didn't show up. Just calling out in case you want to update to make this more visible to the community. Thanks again!
Thanks for the feedback. Updated.
I found the measurements for the bottom platform but in another video for the traction loss frames you mention they are 40x120 and in this one you mention they are 40x80 which is too small to fit the TL plates that come with the kit I believe?
First of all, thank you very much for your video series!! It has motivated me to also consider a DIY solution, and all of your explanations have been very helpful.
Due to limitations in my man cave, I'm wondering if it's really necessary to have such a wide stand in the back. The TL doesn't seem to utilize all of that space, right? Is it for stability reasons, or can it be narrower? How far it swings from left to right probably also depends on how far back I would mount the TL actuator. I only have 42-43 inches available.
Have a nice day!:)
Very valuable!! liked and subd
Thank you for proving such a detailed explanation for your rig build. My question is on the surge and traction loss platforms. Is there a specific reason why you went with 3080 and not 4040. Also did you buy European standard aluminum profile or American. Choosing 4040 European standard aluminum profile would reduce cost and weight by half. Is there a requirement for your choice. Thanks
Hey - These profiles are a mix of 40x80, 40x120 and 40x40 pieces. I did not use 3080. I bought them from framingtech.com located in newyork and they also cut them to the size I needed.
Thank you for this! So the surge pull bar extrusion attaches to a piece of horizontal extrusion that you add to the TR160 rig?
That is correct. I’ll make another video on how it all connects as well.
looking for the video how it connects. I sent you an emails regarding building a new project but I haven't heard from you yet. Thanks@@simul8master
Did you attach the long 4080 profile on the upper TL frame to the 40120 shorter profile of the frame by drilling through the profile or did you use gussets? Same question for the corners of the and actuator mounts (shorter profiles in the middle) for the surge frame.
No holes drilled - all using gussets. Video and pictures coming up soon. Same for the surge small profiles. All using gussets.
dumb question but im diagraming this. on the bottom TL frame, what are the lengths of the 2-horizontal pieces?
All pieces are mentioned in the video(unless I missed it by mistake). These are 31 inches.
@@simul8master thanks for the quick response. noted it down. also the lengths of the top TL vertical pcs, they would be the 40x120 pcs.
Thanks for your time and effort. sorry if i missed it somehow. it also may be in your assembly vid which i have not seen yet.
@10:04 you mention that the two front-to-back pieces of extrusion in the lower traction-loss frame are 40x80s - I believe that they are 40x120s (because the plate that is supplied with the kit is about 120mm wide) unless you let the plate hang over the edge. Is that right or am I missing something?
They are 40x80s. I am talking about the top frame of the TL not the bottom frame. For the bottom frame, yes they are 40x120. I will have a video soon for the TL.
Great video. I have subscribed and wait for some more content from you. I would like in the later stage add the surge but I am not much into traction loss (I mostly drive GT3s and don't have too much space in the room). Where did you get all the info needed for the build? I was looking on the internet to get some info about the surge platform but wasn't particularly successful
Not much info really anywhere. Did it myself. looked at some images provided by eracing lab and some questions to Alex from eracing lab. Planning to put all this into a pdf as well as a guide for others.
Let me know what you need about the surge - I’ll have a video up on how to build it.
@@simul8master that would be awesome, if you would make a video about it. My main interest is: how the frame should be built, what would be the proper size of the surge frame (especially considering that there would be no Traction Loss platform, so 4 actuators would be attached to it), would there be a need of a secondary frame under the surge in case I do not do the traction loss, how to properly combine the surge frame with the actual rig - myself I use Sim-Lab GT1 Evo but I guess the principals would be fairly the same regardless if it is sim-lab like mine, trackracer like yours or some other aluminum extrusion, travel of the rig while using the surge from eracing lab (that would be quite helpful as I think I am not the only one who is using a small room where every inch (in America) and every centimeter (in Europe) counts 😅)
Check the TL test if you’re ever interested: ruclips.net/video/R6sATVxXVMs/видео.htmlsi=e2xu7q7dAhvnkilT
What are the width's on the 40x160 (2 x 40x80) pieces that you have circled at 12:52? They are the center 2 cross sections. I'm trying to get most of my extrusion pre-cut. I'm going to use US 15 series (1.5") Extrusion for mine :) Thanks for posting these!
About 24.7 or 24.75 based on my math. But someone should confirm.
He used 51" for the end piece. Subtract 20" for the cross pieces inset (10" on each side). Subtract (approximately - conversion from mm to in) 9.5" for the width of the two 120mm cross sections. That leaves 21.5" I believe. I'm building one based on the ASR6 which is 22" wide (instead of 19 5/8" on the TR160), so my numbers will be about 24.5"
These are 21 1/4
Hi, thx for the great video. What is the function of the front 40x160 in the lower traction lost module? I understand that the first one in the middle must have this dimension in order to provide enough space in the depth to be able to additionally attach the mounting for the actuator. The front cross brace only holds the rotation fixer, which would also look more central on a 40x120 profile. Is there anything i am missing?
Hey check my video on building the TL profile - It will probably address your concerns.
Thanks for the video @@simul8master. Did you actually post Part 2 for the TL platform? I don't find it.
Almost there brother - been pretty busy
Oh, Ok, thanks!
While you post that video, and knowing you're super-busy, can you tell me / show me how you fixed the TL actuator to the TL frames? I believe that the actuator goes on the middle horizontal frame (on the lower TL platform), but it's not clear to me how and where to fix it to.
Excellent videos. I just completed my build on a NLR F-GT ELITE chassis. It was a little more complicated than the TR chassis. Regarding your surge. How much surge are you getting? Mine is not very noticeable.
EDIT: Also, there is no way I would have been able to complete this project without your videos. KUDOS!
You can tweak to get more - are you using srs ? Did you enable boost?
I am using SRS and have just started tweaking in SRS. Boost is at 5 I believe. I don't see a slider for just surge which I found strange.
Hi brianh7293 I also have a NLR F-GT ELITE chassis and I'm just beginning my measurements for the traction loss kit, can you share your measurements or if you have any tips or advice that you can share that would be great.
As I was designing my layout based on yours, I couldn't help but notice your front actuators are behind the Wheel Deck upright. What made you put it behind it vs in front, and what's the distance between your actuators? Was it based on your seat position to try and get the best center of gravity? thx!
The closer the actuator together the more movement you’ll get out of it. Recommendation is about 900mm front/rear actuator distance and you’ll get around 13 degrees of pitch compared to 9 degrees of pitch if they are about 1250mm apart.
@@simul8master Awesome, thanks! That's what I understood, but just wasn't sure. Based on your TL Top Frame length of 34.5" or ~800mm, I figured you had them at 750-800mm or so apart. I was just trying to gauge to build mine. I want as much pitch as possible as i'll be doing DCS and MSFS as well.
thanx...
the one part i dont understand...how does the actuator connect to top frame? to cause it to move?
I have other videos explaining all this. The actuator does not connect to your actual rig. The actuator will connect to the surge platform. Your actual rig will then sit on the surge platform and connect to it via brackets.
@@simul8masterI am in the process of building this rig. When attaching the actuators, no measurement is given for vertical offset so that there is enough clearance from the surge and traction platforms. What offset would you recommend.
@RJCavallo hey - not sure what measurements you are referring to?
Hi, Is it possible just to add just surge to the rig without traction loss, how mnay layers would you still need underneath ? Thanks
For sure you can. You will just need to build one profile for the surge platform where your rig will sit on and connect to.
How dose the rig connect to the surge platform, I see sliders on each side, so they screw into the rig frame ? I'm not sure about the location and where everything go, if you could make a video showing how things connect that would be great. Thanks again.@@simul8master
@@evanphotography5149 will do
It looks like it would be safe to decrease the length of the rear piece on the lower traction-loss frame by about 10" or so based on the 3(ish) inches of travel it can swing in either direction. Would you agree? I watched your traction-loss test video and it looks like you had 5 or 6 inches to spare on each side of that piece when the rear of the rig was at the extremes of that actuator's position. I'd like to limit that specific part of the rig's footprint if possible so I'm checking with you first before I order aluminum. I'd rather not cut any if possible.
Yea should be safe to do so.
On a related question, I am also suffering from space limitations. If these actuators' maximum displacement is 150 mm, wouldn't it be enough to have the back of the lower traction loss platform to be just 150 mm wider than the maximum width of the surge platform with the actuators?
In your measurements, perhaps just adding 3" on each side of the back, for a total of 7" inches more than the front part? So, it would be 31"+7"=38" as the minimum required width on the back?
@jamilkeg1 this will work for sure
Thanks for the confirmation.
I built mine at 42". There is about an inch and a half extra length on each end, so I wouldn't go much shorter than 39".@@jamilkeg1
PRO TIP: If you have a business, make a business account at a local 80/20 distributor. I sent my order over for all the below cuts and based it on the retail pricing... I got 70% off.... ALL these cuts were $168, 5840mm worth and 8 cuts. lol:
# of Pieces Size Length of Cut
2 40x80 1300
2 40X80 500
2 40X80 200
2 40x80 920
That is pretty awesome! I paid a bunch of money for these profiles!
@@simul8master How's your paint job holding up? Was going to powder coat locally, but will take too long and cost too much.
@@dofmaster106 holds up pretty well! Same results as power coat to be honest. If you scratch it will show :) if you take care of it, it will be just fine.