Top 5 FAST WAGONS: Part 1 | ReDriven
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In our humble opinion, in the world of cars, there’s not much cooler than a fast wagon. Supercars and even sports can be a bit too shouty and look at me,
Hot hatches are awesome but a few can look a bit boy racer. We're looking at you, Civic Type R...
A fast sedan is great but a wagon is more practical and because it feels like performance SUVs are replacing fast wagons, a fast wagon is becoming more exclusive, and therefore cooler. But, what are the best fast wagons?
Let us know what you think in the comments below and don't forget to subscribe!
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Man i love wagons, i just wish more of these had manual options or were easier to find in manual
I really wanted the Subaru Levorg (WRX Wagon) But not with a CVT
Bring back the big long wagons. F suvs
Being an owner of a factory blue r36 wagon, i must say i dont regret the 6 month search for the right one,
Though it was either the r36 or the stagea. Glad i chose the r36, pay. Little more for one Well maintained and you’re set :)
Thanks for giving a shoutout to the octavia vrs! I bought one new last year and it's the ultimate dad car - the perfect blend between practicality and fun when you want it.
Our pleasure mate, just wish our friends state side were exposed to it. - AK
It's amazing how Octavia have taken the Boy Racer GTI and made such a practical car awesome looking car. Love the dad car call!
Love my 2020 Nardo Grey RS Wagon. Put a smile on my dial everytime and it's quick with a stage 1 tune too.
@@dimsoneill oh yeah? What did you get done?
Amazing video & series 👏🏾 👌
I scored an Mario 159 Sportwagon by accident (long story). Was going to flip it but it's turned out to be awesome.
So glad I found this channel. Been binge watching and luvin your work. Great stuff!
Yes!! Go the R36 Wagon! Loving mine!! Great video once again mate. Great channel.
Thanks so much Jason. - AK
Wow! I had a 3.6 passat wagon ( no R36 in America) and Its like no one knows it existed, very impressed.
I got 5.8sec 0-100 and a highly prohibitive top speed out of a stg1 tune. And most of all no one I mean no one see you coming the ultimate sleeper. Watch out for oil pump drive issues on early production models ( avoid 2006) and mine even with prestine maintenance started having costly issues at 240k km.
Had an R36 and it was a brilliant car to drive with amazing practicality as well. Only sold it because it developed a noise in the drivetrain somewhere after hitting a rock and destroying two wheels. Would buy another if I needed a 2nd car :)
You better have a VE SS wagon in part 2
Love the videos guys, keep it up
Wow, this channel is a hidden jam. Great videos.
Thanks so much! Stoked that you’re enjoying the channel
Ohhhhh the 159 it's like the eyes can look and look and still want to look more.
Yes! Yes! Yes! So looking forward to this. My pick out of these would be the r36. Looking forward the the other parts dropping!
Loving that you're loving this mate. - AK
If only there was a FG xr6t wagon. I say FG because they didn’t exist and the previous falcon wagons look shit lol.
Agreed. On the flip side, the Commodore SS sports wagon better show up in this series. Probably the best looking car they produced.
If you're looking at the Stagea consider the series 1 and 2 from the mid 90's. They use the RB25 turbo engine from the skyline with added AWD. They even have a RB26 twin turbo model. Basically a GTR station wagon.
I had a 3.0r outback with Si Drive and it was the weak point of the drive line. Three settings: intelligent = dull and reticent to shift; sport = shifts like a '00 era Commodore; sports sharp = holds gears to redline with only mild throttle inputs. Paddle shifters were pretty obedient though and it rev matched on downshifts. Nevertheless, not the gearbox for a sports car (because the outback is a sports car, especially on dirt). Get the six speed manual👍 in the liberty, not the outback...
Love the Stagea!
"It's the f#$kin what is it?" Yup...
Pretty much. Lol
Cool vid. Look forward to seeing what other wagons you have on the list!
I have a '15 Golf Sportwagon SE TSI, first new car and still love it!
The performance, economy and utility are amazing for a 27k car.
170hp/200 torque. Have gotten 39 mpg on road trip!
Mods: ClearBra and professional tint, yellow DRL/Hi Beams, amber rear turn bulbs.
The car doesn't look dated at all, inside and out.
Sportwagons rule!
Love the channel mate, and this fast wagon series couldn’t be more well timed, as my 2010 Legacy wagon (2.5) is on its last legs. It’s been awesome, just lacks overtaking pull, and some creature comforts that would be nice to have (eg heated seats). I’m looking forward to your next episode as that’ll be where my budget sits. Can’t wait to see the options you choose. I like the Audi A6 / S6 (ultimate car would of course be an RS6), maybe S4 though they’re a bit small for the dogs, and BMW 535 or 550 wagons, but the idea of an early 2010s euro scares me a bit re possible repair bills. If I had the cash I’d seriously look at new Levorg (sorry WRX wagon) if it was bigger than current Levorg. I like Octavia VRS though still don’t understand how a 2L engine can produce the same KW’s (180) as a 3L Audi A6… Anyway, keep up the awesome work 👍.
Thanks so much mate. - AK
I see you’ve used one of my photos of my old tuned by STi wagon I miss dearly
Legnum VR4’s are so underrated! Evo drive line with a twin turbo v6 😍 wicked to drive
I have a 07 liberty wagon gt. With some coilovers and swaybars, they seriously good cars
Mercedes AMG C63s!
Would be interesting to see a car like that reviewed for Australia as a used car sedan or wagon not the coupe variant as it’s not good for Aussie roads expect the highways.. haha
Keep the vids coming 🙌🏻
Mine is a top two list - it’s the Volvo 850R (T5R) - I mean, these things raced at Bathurst and BTCC! And the granddaddy Audi - the RS2 wagon.
Mate I actually owned an 850R years ago, should never have sold it. - AK
@@ReDriven awesome things! I have a P80 V70 at the moment, used to have an 850 and wish I still had it.
I like this
Love the video, was surprised given the nissan's inclusion, not to hear any mention of the mitsubishi legnum vr-4
It was a very close call between them mate. - AK
There was a rare Autech Stagea fitted with the 350z VQ35DE motor. Which if you could find 1 with a manual box would be worth having over the VQ25DET version in my opinion.
Mate, I appreciate that you mentioned the A4. I would not expect the A4 to be cheaper than VolksWagen (of any kind). More importantly the fact that you remind people that repair bills for an used Audi can drive people mad and/or broke. Here in EU, Audi is considered "premium", where-as Volks is a "average Joe's car" and as such same component would cost probably 2x for Audi, even though it can be literally SAME piece.
So close! Love my MY04 GT Liberty. Sexy white wagon!
“Not all of them, just a lot of them” heh I would like to see one of your statistics on that 😆
I would be happy with a Saab 9-3 Aero or a VFII Commodore SSV, both in wagon form, each representing thoughtful design of their time to make sure the wagon shape looks even better than their sedan counterpart.
Brilliant call. - AK
That GR Yaris in the back :)
The Alfa 159 SW is a great choice. Just make sure you get it with the 1750 I4 Turbo engine, which is much more reliable than the quite disappointing Holden-made 3.2 V6. Also drinks considerably less...
My 2001 Caldina GTT has great performance and practicality plus, it's a Toyota... so it works.
nice car. weird that i didn’t hear about that car before. but hope you enjoy driving the car
The caldina gtt is the successor to my st185 gt4; praise be
The euro cars tend to be oil burners the general consensus amongst most of us engine reconditioners is the oil ring design. Plus most of the older ones do not like any ethanol in the fuel it can gum their shitty rings up and game over.
The Alfa 158 looks sooo good... but yeah has to drive good too 😉
I had an R36 Passat Regret selling it. Best car I have ever owned!
I'd love a fast wagon. For me it's a toss up between the M35 Stagea 250t or 350 RX, and the 1JZ Crown Athlete Estate.
I've currently got a P12 Primera wagon with a QR20DE+T, but definitely want something with a bit more punch from the get go, higher tuning potential, RWD or AWD, and no CVT.
Thanks for a great series!
Just one constructive criticism: It would be nice to see/hear/have HP and Torque (Nm) figures with each car presented. By the third car, when I hear "5kw more" or "15Nm less", I already forgot to what we are comparing it too (The Nissan Stagea for example). And its nice you are including the kw figures, but BHP would be more practical, as you dont need to do head calculations from kw to HP, which most people are used to. So just having simple HP and Torque numbers for each car would make your series videos really perfect.
Otherwise, I love your series videos. Thanks for your work, and I hope this channel really blows up! (in a good way, not the Subaru 2.5l turbo way).
Really great points Andrej.
We’re working on a new graphics package at the moment and will be including HP and torque conversions anytime I mention them.
Thanks for the kind words and support too mate. - AK
Surprised pikachu face when I heard that Subaru wagon
Wagons are the coolest! I have an '05 Legacy Wagon in a manual. One day a clean Legacy GT manual will pop up....
If I win the lottery, C43 AMG Wagon in blue....
Volvo V60 t6 is worth considering as well!
Love the Stagea; just wish it looked better.
Hard to find but a VL wagon would be nice.
Oh yes!! - AK
Having been a passenger in a couple of them the Mazda MPV is a suprisingly nimble and fast car that people dismiss at a glance and it's a shame they do.
Just a thought for a couple of video ideas for yourselves if you wanted to do them are luxury car brands/models that are now seen as an everyday car and everyday car brands/models now seen as rides for the rich.
The B7 A4’s are arguably more reliable than the B8’s, but they do have their common issues as well. I’ve got the sedan, but wish I had the wagon. The 3.2 V6 is much less tunable, but is faster out of the box.
Had the pleasure of driving a Stagea. This one had the RB25 Turbo. I’m my opinion, the best family wagon that Japan could offer in the late 90s early 00’s. Glorious!
Also, I thought that the RS6 Avant (with that twin turbo V10) would get a mention?! Maybe in part 2?
Stagea is so underrated and the RS6 may have to wait to around about Part 4 with what they cost. - AK
@@ReDriven so underrated indeed! Only if we had these Japanese cars sold locally here rather than ‘grey imports’. And oh yes, that RS6. She was a pricy number.
He did explain budget parameters at the beginning. I’m pretty sure that car will be a few episodes later.
One sleeper gem you will likely miss on your list is the C55 AMG-T, granddads old merc wagon with a 367hp 5.4l v8 under the hood. Only 600ish built and quite cheap for what they are and sleeper as hell.
Brilliant choice, possibly over this. budget but what a thing. - AK
@@ReDriven Yes likely over this budget but would fit in somewhere on your lists.
The Volvo V70 has aged very well, still looks very smart today and is really hard to come by in the used market.
I may get poo poo'd but my Holden VZ LX8 is fast and cheap. A $500 tune, exhaust and intake and it rips to 100kmh in mid 5's in all weather and road surfaces. It's half the price of the equivalent SS wagon but still has the 250kw LS1. Sure the 4l60e found its neutrals at 280,000km and the bushes all fell apart but its now in excess of 300,000km, tows a race car, goes off road, takes me everywhere and it sleeps 2 in comfort also the sound of the LS makes the fuel usage almost bearable.
I completely agree - a good sportswagon is something special, and something I have long wanted ... yet still haven't gotten. I don't actually know which of your list I would choose, though leaning towards the R36, the Liberty and the Skoda.
Stagea looks like a hearse for when you're late for your own funeral.
This episode is probably your favorite, all you talk about is wagons and how you love them hahaha
Is it really that obvious! - AK
Well you did make a part 1, you just couldn’t narrow it down ha? 😂
I knew a Volvo and VW would be on the list - the VR6 is great, but the timing chains...oy vey. Thanks for the wicked videos guys!
Great list... I hope the Acura TSX SportWagon makes the Part 2 list. I'm torn between the Acura and Legacy for my winter car... thoughts?
I’d go with the legacy. I owned a 3.0r Spec B wagon with the 6 speed manual box, and I currently own an Accord CM2 wagon. My thoughts on it are that the Honda is better built and has a better driver space, and the K24 is super reliable, but the Legacy is better to drive.
Unlike this video however, with the Legacy I think the 2.0GT is better than the 3.0R. The 2.0GT is better on fuel and you can modify it. Reliability is a wash between the engines imo.
We don’t have snow here really so I can’t comment on either as a winter car.
@@zeroyon4562 thanks for the suggestion, I will keep an eye for the Subaru
Come on Adam mate, where's the Falcon BA turbo wagon as an honorable mention??? 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Bmw E90 335d Touring , Mercedes C350 AMG line estate, Audi A4 All-road TFSI Quattro, Volvo S60 T6 AWD Polestar Engineered
Mate all awesome but all well over $15K here. - AK
Toyota crown wagon on grey imports. 850 Volvo wagon. Australia vy ss wagon manual
Mitsubishi Evolution 9 wagon. Game over.
Shhhhhhh, you're spoiling the surprise! - AK
You lost me when you said that the A4 wagon was #2. I almost moved on to another video. That is a beautiful car and I want one. I own a 2013 Vw passat 3.6 premium, which is my first VW. OMG do I love this car. You hooked me back in when I you said that the R36 Passat was #1. I wish they brought that car to the states. They would have sold those on Sunday. I wanted to find out the specs on tht car vs my VR6 3.6 so I can maybe add a few things. But anyway, im looking for that 2013 A4 wagon with the DSG, a low milage grandma car. They have won me over with these.
What is the reliability for the Audi A4 Avant B9? I'm thinking about buying one soon and was hoping to know if it will be a good purchase.
We have a review planned soon mate, will let you know. - AK
I don't know if the holden station wagons went international but they should have!
You should do ZB Commodore or Colorado
Awesome ideas, we’ll get onto them. - AK
The only right answer is a Saab 9-5 aero. The fastest and most reliable car ever made.
The Volvo 850r was a bad wagon, didn't have a lot of aftermarket support there was some stuff available I think the biggest drawback in it though was the front wheel drive I don't like high horsepower front wheel drive cars.
I believe they did make it and all-wheel drive and sold it in Canada only I would love to get a hold of one of those.
Hi Curt, thanks so much for watching and commenting.
I actually owned an 850R and it was fantastic. You're 100% right, at the time there wasn't a load of aftermarket stuff out there but the few things I did made a world of difference (ECU, exhaust, intake, front diff, big brakes, full Ohlins suspension gear, great tyres, the usual stuff) and through some twisty mountain roads, easily kept pace with HSV Commodores and that period M3.
Without the diff it required patience to feed the power on but with the upgraded diff, it tore out of corners.
There's a chance that with all the extra weight of the AWD system, it might be more inclined to understeer too. Off the line, for sure the extra traction helps but once you're up and running, a well set up front wheel drive can seriously hold it's own. (Eg, current Civic Type R). - AK
I'm in the middle of trying to get rid of my XC90 to get a wagon 👐
206 2.0tsi VW Passat R-line wagon.
Audi Allroad 2.7T, especially when tweaked. (Pity about the oil leaks.)
100%, I had quite the adventure in one of these many years ago! - AK
Curious why you talked about the 3.0R and 2.5 turbo liberty when the 2.0 GT is another option, the 2.0 has way less issues compared to the 2.5
We only received the 2.5 litre variants here sorry mate. - AK
I like the 2.0 GT-B with the twin turbo, faster than the 3.0R. I know many ppl with EJ208 with 300.000 km on it, they had no issues. My 1998 B4 RSK has 200.000 km, no problem and way better handling, reliability than a Taudi A4. The HG on the 2.5 happen on the turbo version, especially the tuned one, had a 2.5 l non turbo with 300 k never had any problems.
Audi RS2 Avant, but those are hard to find, and pretty expensive. Plus, you can get any color you want, as long as it's blue.
That’s more like a collectable now, so definitely can’t be on this list given its price. But agree it’s an iconic wagon.
Yeah a fair chunk over this budget but what a thing! - AK
I know you're being international, but shame the good old Commodore Sportwagon didn't get a shout out.
as a r36 owner, i didn’t think we quite made 251kw 😂 unless thats at the crank, i thought it was 220kw
According to the VW press release its 251kW but we'll double check Angus. Thanks so much for bringing our attention to this. - AK
@@ReDriven car sales seems to agree with a few different websites on the 220kw and 350nm
The engine is longitudinal and completely different awd system in the a4
Going by the RUclips chapters it’s a Nissan Stasia
Great video but . . . Subjectively that Alfa is ugly at the front and lets face it most of the wagons look similar at the other angles. Skoda should have made it. It is the better cut price VW option IMO and nicer looking.
The Nissan front end looks very old but the squared off back end is clearly practical like a wagon should be and AWD is a good thing, certainly better than FWD.
You are right about Subaru turbos being money pits and even the Liberty with its family persona probably gets thrashed like a REX.
Looking forward to the next category.
P.S. 0-100kmh and top speed. Please research and give us figures. This is Fast Wagons.
no love for the Toyota crown, damn
Adam, is that a Yaris GR behind you?
Yep! - AK
what about toyota caldina gt4 they pretty cool
Might be coming in part 2 ;) - AK
Just waiting for the Evo wagon to make an appearance, shame that it had the auto.
Happy Blue R36 wagon owner here 😎
Central muffler delete, twin bi-modal rear mufflers turn it into a wailing banshee.
I stepped up from an '04 Subaru Outback 3.0R and loved that car, but it had nowhere near the shove in the back or the special look of the VW.
The R36 is an uber-wagon 😁. Have not met anyone that doesn't love it.
Me too, great car, the GT came with a 6 speed manual I believe. Tiny fuel tank was it's weak point.
Queue the haye comments. My 2016 Passat 206 wagon, Stage 2 tune and intercooler upgrade…makes for a perfect grandad sleeper. Not flash…but def annoys the kiddies on the open road
No BMW 330d? It would whoop or at least keep up with every car on that list, but at least better the fuel economy by double!
It might possibly make Part 2 mate ;) - AK
R36 Passat 🤫
Skoda superb?
Not a volvo v70R?
Thought the Volvo v60 was quicker than the passat
Renault megane gt220?
I owned an 07 liberty gt tuned by sti..
Standard mcintosh system is an absolute junk
Oh really? My mate (he's a sound tech and production engineer) has one and raves about the stereo. - AK
Is that a GR Yaris behind you?
Yep! - AK
I hope it's not there for repairs!!
if you lower a forester xt its a wagon and fast ahaha
B5 S4 Avant from Audi
For under $15,000??? Where? I'll buy it in a heartbeat! - AK
V60 polestar
Whaaat! No commodore V8 wagon? Haha
We're only to Part 1 mate an the good V8 Commodore wagons are all well north of $15K. - AK
@@ReDriven yeah I guess if you want to look at the last 2 generations… but should anyone pay more than 15k for one? Haha.
If GM didn’t completely screw us over and kept holden “holding on” (or demanded our government kept them alive) would the humble commonwhore be so pricey…
Should you buy a hyundai Tiburon????????
Let's find out soon! - AK
I had one of these in the 2.7 V6...I liked it when it was brand new as it was so rare and looked good at the time. Around that time the hot hatches started to rule. I think the integra was the only coupe in sub $40k market. But in Australia we definitely missed out by not getting the Genesis Coupe.
@@lavine0823 i still have mine, its my first car luv it
2.7 v6 6-speed manual LSD, magnificent
@@joelblake2382 Nice one buddy. I actually think it's a pretty cool 1st car purchase. It's got a pretty smooth V6. TBH I didn't have any issues with that car. It can be slightly thirsty when putting the foot down but everything just worked. You are probably aware that the Nth America market referred to it as a Tuscani...I ordered alot of aftermarket parts from the 🇺🇸.. But Korea has a pretty good aftermarket scene...There was also a newtiburon forum that was useful..
Please of you are talking kw/hp or whatever always type the alternatives on screen so everybody gets it without having to google
Great point mate, we'll sort that for next time. - AK
I'm getting old, I think fast wagons are cool now, 2 seater sports car? errrr nah
I like both... fast wagon as a daily and coupe for the weekends
Nissan Stagea definitely deserves to be on the list * grey import...But then the Toyota Caldina gt-4 ST246 and the Mitsubishi Legnum VR-4 Type-S 4wd deserve a mention...
Basically Celica and Evo running gear in a wagon...
What about an HSV VF LSA R8 wagon?
Way way over the budget for this Part 1 video mate. If there was one for under $15K, I would have snapped it up! - AK
You had be at "fast wagon"
Wrong Volvo. Xc70 has more balls lol
So glad my r36 is on here haha
All this talk of "state side" I fear the Commodore SS wagon isn't going to get into one of this series. Probably the best looking car Holden produced, the proportions just fit. Nothing brings the back around faster than a bit of extra weight from the wagon ;) feeds the moron in all of us.
We're only up to part 1 mate, have faith! - AK