Pierce is quite a lot of fun for many monsters, even if there are better ammo types and matchups. I recommend trying it since it isn't a huge hindrance unless you're doing a speed run or something. I may be biased since my favorite builds tend to be memes anyway.
Play what you think is fun! I(Jinx) like to run wyvern ammo only meme runs or wyvernheart only capture runs for the lulz. These kinds of analysis aren't meant to tell you which ammo to play, its just to give a factual explanation of the relative strength of each ammo type.
Don't worry, my comment isn't to imply that the video is saying to only play good ammo types or that pierce is good in spite of the math proving otherwise, it's more for the people that take this sort of thing too seriously. There were already a few people in the comments that gave that impression, so I thought I'd add my two cents.
Part of me often feels that light and heavy bowgun should be thought of as subclasses of the same weapon, seeing as while they pull from the same ammo resource different ammo types are suited to different weapons. I also think that a lot of the time the discussion around ammo types gets distorted by the max dps/min TTK side of things, when really it should be about the viability of each ammo type- does the ammo do its job? For example, when Jinx brought up slicing I knew he was going to say it doesn't do enough damage to be a primary damage type, but what matters with slicing is does it do sufficient slicing damage to be a toolbox option for slicing part breaks, which it does. Of course when it comes to viability of damage-type ammo, there's always going to be the question of "what counts as viable to you?" For example, I consider pierce ammo to be an entirely viable ammo type for the monsters it works against, mostly Xeno, Odo and Bazel, because it provides me with good safety during a hunt as a main ammo type when supplemented with the various other ammo types I use. Someone else might define sub-5 minutes to be viable, and their pool of choices is naturally going to be much smaller than someone who defines viable as sub-30, or someone who defines it as sub-15 with no faints.
Hello! For anyone new watching this after all this time, although the video was accurate in its time, that is no longer the case. Sticky does a lot of damage on its own, (but clusters and wyvern ammo still bump sticky HBGs DPS high) Pierce and normal have kicked up in damage Ironically spread is still good, but it's hard to have openings unless you're doing a scripted heroics run. Less openings = less DPS Elemental in HBG is still kinda bad. Sad. Slicing is still not good If you're looking for more accurate builds and damage guides for HBG, I recommend watching Lord Viettner. He makes good guides for modern MH:WI patches. Hope this helps anyone
Any chance you guys can do a video covering the effects of CC ammo (paralysis, sleep, etc)? I'm particulary interested in the effects of exhaust ammo and whether or not it's worth using at all in a hunt.
I use slicing on kirin and don't have any trouble killing him before running out of ammo, that's with sleep bombing once or twice and LBG instead of HBG though. The mobility makes dodging his lightning a breeze and slicing ignores his "I'm angry so you can't hit me" bullshit. Plus even if ammo gets tight for whatever reason, there's two slashberry spots right where he sleeps, it's like the game wants you to use it on him.
I'm confused why Sticky isn't considered as a legit option? I play DD + Artillery3 + Sticky3 and think i deal top notch dmg (besides cluster which you shouldn't use in MP). It ignores weakspots and since the impact dmg is negligible you can fire from as far away as you still hit
I came to ask the same thing. It's definitely one of TheGameconomist's recommended ammo types, especially for ease-of-use. ruclips.net/video/ECc7KPvP8eA/видео.htmlm27s
I think pierce is decent enough really. Consider the range too. Unlike spread and clust that u need to come closer to monster/stun or trap them, u could shoot more pierce even the monster is distant.
Selfish question, but can we get a video when you break down your math, like with the frame measurements? As a person who sucks at math, watching someone crunch the numbers is really interesting, almost like watching a paint session.
I do a lot of my chill hunting with the KT support lbg now, rf normal 2 on that does a surprising amount of damage and you can ignore almost all of a monsters shenanigans with it.
Pierce should do the same damage as spread on the averaged sized T2 monster. It's more difficult to line up shots that go down the full length of the monster than it is to spam spread shot the face.
This would be true if the monster had the exact same weakpoint HZV through their entire length. Unfortunately, monsters are not designed this way. Realistically, you get maybe 2-4 ticks on the weakpoint and then the rest go through tanky Hit zones. These hitzones tend to have around 1/3 the HZV so they take about 1/3 the damage and don't get WEX applied to them. On top of that, a good portion of your ticks land in the Damage Mod Deadzone, so they don't get that 20-40% damage bonus. Every pellet of Spread gets that damage bonus and lands on the ideal weakpoint. Assuming you do get a full length shot, these mechanics make each pierce shot still deal less damage than spread. Also Pierce has a tick limit, somewhere around 10-15, where afterwards the later ticks deal 1 damage regardless of how close to max crit distance you are. Realistically, pierce just doesn't interact well with the damage mods mechanics and HZV distribution on monsters in the game. Which is why its so weak compared to spread, even on matchups like ATXeno.
Oh snap, I'm sorry I made you type out the whole explanation. I meant I wanted them to change pierce to reward the same damage to average sized T2 monsters as spread. Since it's more difficult to line up full length body shots than shoot just one weak point with spread. And it would make sense (in a intuitive sort of way, so I'm not talking about mechanics just what I want for the game) to have pierce do more damage against a giant sized monster since it goes super deep into it.
@@MrNamenamenamename it would make sense for giant monsters to have a high hit zone on the center of the model , something that only pierce or stabs attacks can reach. it would balance out things that hit only on the surface with others that go trough it. you can even make it cannon by saying its a vital organ like the monster heart or something
Wish they made recovery shots and the demon/armor shots better. Those things do so little for all the hassle of aiming at your comrades with a slow bullet.
Yes pierce shots are really powerful in classic monster hunter. Normal 2 was the next best thing afterwards, but depending on the monster normal 2 easily passed pierce 1. I miss crouch fire...
Would elemental be viable, when in the early game against monster with a 3-star weakness against said elemnt, or would it just be faster to Pick whatever hbg I can get which can use spreadshot?
Also, try this type. I used minds eye on HBG build with normal shots. Then far range mod x2. I get 126 per shot of normal 3 in the log in training grounds. I guess it is to trigger the mods for normal 3.
Wyvern Ammo does enough DMG to kill all non elder-dragon monster (you may need to use the special ammo on some monsters). And even if you did not enough dmg, just tp back to base and refill or use cluster lvl 2/3. I use Teostras Flames to farm every monster (except behemoth and KT) and finish the quest often under 5 min. Its just to easy to stun lock some of the monsters :D
The Mathalos Discord( discord.gg/AFDe7yM ) has comprehensive build guides for pretty much everything. Aside from that try this imgur.com/a/mg5s1BV . Should be the first one using Dark Devourer. Console has a different build.
I play CC Magda II online. Very fun. Sure, I don't really deal much damage to monster with it (aside from rare occasions when I can safely CB wings of downed monster without tripping anyone), but hey, he barely can move thanks to me
Honestly I've always thought that Capcom in the past have nerfed ammo and weapons just TOO much. Like I understand why slicing had to be nerfed, but it really didn't have to be THAT nerfed imo. Spread is a little too op imo, but clusters I feel that with it's skill ceiling, is fair to work with.
Most of what makes cluster powerful is the secondary stuff permitting it to be powerful, namely the many, many ways to immobilise a monster, rather than the ammo itself. I feel like if slicing was given an internal partbreaker mechanic when hitting slicing zones it'd be firmly back in the list of things to bring to a hunt for toolbox use, but it was never intended to be a main DPS ammo type. Nerfs are always difficult to talk about when there's so many levels of skill and so many styles of play, it's hard to talk about all the possible effects really.
Great vid Jinx! I really hate the "balance" of this game. I mean in others MH you can use everything with no problem, but here, if you dont go META you suck... :C Charge blade, Great Sword, Bowguns... too many options but just a few works.
Monster Hunter newbie here; can somebody tell me what ammo rounds benefit from KO's "Knockout King" skill? I managed to get that and the attack skill activated with my current armor, so I'd like to use it till I can make more optimal sets
Are you guys going to do a video on the kjarr elemental Switch Axes? Are they good enough to get a video, maybe even a short one? Id test it myself but I havent acquired any of them yet.
@@jkteddy77 Elemental SA is dead. To outdamage raw variants you have to stack phial explosions, which in itself is pretty hard and also impossible on solo play. The best SA atm is the jho SA because of its high asf raw and its dragon ele. While you still build around it as a raw SA, it comes on top of others because every monster is a bit weak to dragon so the damage is higher. Para SA is fun, but not as good as jho. Maybe it's better in a couple encounters like odo though.
@@jkteddy77 The paralysis works wonders in most cases, but it still doesn't equate to more dmg. It might suit your playstyle more and works better that way, but the jho SA is still the best SA around. And the choices with current meta sets, namily Drachen and ATT makes it pretty easy to 100% affinity and it's also not deco heavy at all.
@@electrotv5023 I think they are talking about taroth water switch axe, its not awakened element allows it to use elementless. Its suppose to be one of the pre kjarr runner ups to the jho SA.
JustCozItsMe I am completely aware. Even so, it does not beat jho SA or ruin SA aim any matchup except for teostra, in which we use free element to awaken the water element (the one matchup we use it on, and we don’t even use the standard elementless)
Slicing was nerfed both because it was too strong at something that wasn't its job, and also because each slice can stagger your teammates, so if someone's in there with no Flinch Free they can get stunned multiple times in quick succession. AKA in this case: if it's doing something else's job and taking away other peoples' fun, nerf it :P
AGrumpyPanda I tough for e sec you might have a point until I saw your second sentence, than I realized someone without a clue talking nonsense that he/she saw in some other video. 😂
by dying a lot of times just to get familiarized with monster movements so you can dodge effectively. rolling/evading while holding an HBG increases the range of your evasion. using flashbugs when the monster is flying. bazelguese is my favorite here. stun locking /KOing monsters, i run level 2 KO skill + impact mantle on spread3 nergi HBG. kushala daora is my favorite victim.
IIRC normal 3 is a 32 motion value and rapid normal 2 is 20+10+10 so if you were to hit all 3 shots it would be more damage per shot. Not sure about DPS that might depend on clip size and reload/recoil
The only thing I learned from this video is that I suck at MHW lol. Of course my main 2 weapons are Charge Blade for the sword & board or face breaking axe (I hear this is an extremely low DPS wep, but I play solo), and HBG (with shield as first mod). Gonna keep using Pierce 2 for the longer range attacks as my main ammo, with Slicing to F them in the A. I like slicing tails b/c it's funny when the monsters swipe their nub at you. Too bad Slicing ammo sucks so much at actually breaking/slicing parts that I can go the whole hunt and not have anything break/sliced off the monster. (I'm nowhere near having any of the top weapons though, I just hunted the spikey thing in the graveyard zone)
Good video, subbing for more math I won't understand. But I'll go for a recoil mod maybe as 2nd slot (I've just gotten that far) now that I know what it actually does.
If you want to max your damage output and are good at not getting hit, it's useless. If you're going for safety against a high threat mon (something like tempered Jho or Behemoth) then it can be pretty good. You rarely want to take more than 1 though.
@@Dredgenicon IIRC, shield mods and guard don't stack. That's why you go with guard 5 and 1 mod, not guard 4 and 1 mod. So why would you use guard 2 when the popular consensus with guard is either 1, 3, or 5 or none at all?
@@belldrop7365 because guard 1 isnt enough for monsters like atx to take 2-3 hits and a row and guard 2 is. jinx it himself recommended this to me when atx first released. i never said it stacked, same aplies to acient leshen guard 2 is just enough guard 1 isnt
you can get investigations from the Ressource center (basically extra quests/missions) in which you farm one or more monsters and get more rewards than usually. It's also easier to get rare rewards like Gems.
Hey man, I love your work and all that, but some of us use,like,you know, displays that are more than fifty times larger than a cellphone, and stuff... TONE DOWN THAT FONT SIZE MAN!!
Join the discord and ask a build optimiser, but tldr is Kt head a/b-lunachest b-xeno y x3 for all other parts, awakening charm. Slot in 7 attack decos 3-4 agitator and 1 peak deco
I have to get back into MHW. I haven't been able to play since the first Kulve siege. I have a build for every ammo type except wyvern and dragon. Dragon ammo is so show that it's comical.
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Man you bring light on every topic you touch in your videos. For me all your info are my MHW mantra... I live with your calcs
Pierce is quite a lot of fun for many monsters, even if there are better ammo types and matchups. I recommend trying it since it isn't a huge hindrance unless you're doing a speed run or something. I may be biased since my favorite builds tend to be memes anyway.
Fun =/= math.
Don't mind though, I'm also one of those idiots that bring piercing on every AT Elder run couple of times.
Play what you think is fun! I(Jinx) like to run wyvern ammo only meme runs or wyvernheart only capture runs for the lulz.
These kinds of analysis aren't meant to tell you which ammo to play, its just to give a factual explanation of the relative strength of each ammo type.
Don't worry, my comment isn't to imply that the video is saying to only play good ammo types or that pierce is good in spite of the math proving otherwise, it's more for the people that take this sort of thing too seriously. There were already a few people in the comments that gave that impression, so I thought I'd add my two cents.
Part of me often feels that light and heavy bowgun should be thought of as subclasses of the same weapon, seeing as while they pull from the same ammo resource different ammo types are suited to different weapons. I also think that a lot of the time the discussion around ammo types gets distorted by the max dps/min TTK side of things, when really it should be about the viability of each ammo type- does the ammo do its job? For example, when Jinx brought up slicing I knew he was going to say it doesn't do enough damage to be a primary damage type, but what matters with slicing is does it do sufficient slicing damage to be a toolbox option for slicing part breaks, which it does.
Of course when it comes to viability of damage-type ammo, there's always going to be the question of "what counts as viable to you?" For example, I consider pierce ammo to be an entirely viable ammo type for the monsters it works against, mostly Xeno, Odo and Bazel, because it provides me with good safety during a hunt as a main ammo type when supplemented with the various other ammo types I use. Someone else might define sub-5 minutes to be viable, and their pool of choices is naturally going to be much smaller than someone who defines viable as sub-30, or someone who defines it as sub-15 with no faints.
Hello! For anyone new watching this after all this time, although the video was accurate in its time, that is no longer the case.
Sticky does a lot of damage on its own, (but clusters and wyvern ammo still bump sticky HBGs DPS high)
Pierce and normal have kicked up in damage
Ironically spread is still good, but it's hard to have openings unless you're doing a scripted heroics run. Less openings = less DPS
Elemental in HBG is still kinda bad. Sad.
Slicing is still not good
If you're looking for more accurate builds and damage guides for HBG, I recommend watching Lord Viettner. He makes good guides for modern MH:WI patches.
Hope this helps anyone
Thanks for the info, it cleared up alot. Also love the community, everyone there are nice and awesome
Squad guy here xD thanks for the videos, the future of this channel is bright and I hope you will shine as you deserve
Any chance you guys can do a video covering the effects of CC ammo (paralysis, sleep, etc)? I'm particulary interested in the effects of exhaust ammo and whether or not it's worth using at all in a hunt.
Artillery lv 3 if you want wyvern ammo
Indeed!
and Sticky ammo
Thanks for clarifying dragon ammo. Wasn’t sure what the cap was.
I'll be waiting for the LBG one :D
I use slicing on kirin and don't have any trouble killing him before running out of ammo, that's with sleep bombing once or twice and LBG instead of HBG though. The mobility makes dodging his lightning a breeze and slicing ignores his "I'm angry so you can't hit me" bullshit. Plus even if ammo gets tight for whatever reason, there's two slashberry spots right where he sleeps, it's like the game wants you to use it on him.
Dude! Try a Slicing+Sticky build! They are totally OP against Kirin.
And you have more ammo xd
Insect Glaive! Bug Stick! Je suis monte! You get the point. I’m hoping that video is still coming
True gae bolg 100% afinitty white sharpness vs any monster with a weakpoint in the wings(at xeno, at lunastra) is just ridiculous lmao
Leone Abbacchio yeah I prefer the Luna styx more but it’s a gae is good too.
I'm confused why Sticky isn't considered as a legit option? I play DD + Artillery3 + Sticky3 and think i deal top notch dmg (besides cluster which you shouldn't use in MP). It ignores weakspots and since the impact dmg is negligible you can fire from as far away as you still hit
I came to ask the same thing. It's definitely one of TheGameconomist's recommended ammo types, especially for ease-of-use.
ruclips.net/video/ECc7KPvP8eA/видео.htmlm27s
The thing i like about slice/stick ammo
It baypass elder aura and didn't care about range
I think pierce is decent enough really. Consider the range too. Unlike spread and clust that u need to come closer to monster/stun or trap them, u could shoot more pierce even the monster is distant.
I have found LBG Pierce ammo seems to be really good down the length of Bazelgeuse and going through Diablos wings.
Selfish question, but can we get a video when you break down your math, like with the frame measurements? As a person who sucks at math, watching someone crunch the numbers is really interesting, almost like watching a paint session.
I(Jinx) have considered doing such a video in the future, thanks for the feedback!
Lol, this is the character background episode for jinx
I do a lot of my chill hunting with the KT support lbg now, rf normal 2 on that does a surprising amount of damage and you can ignore almost all of a monsters shenanigans with it.
You should totally make math videos for older MH games.
Pierce should do the same damage as spread on the averaged sized T2 monster. It's more difficult to line up shots that go down the full length of the monster than it is to spam spread shot the face.
This would be true if the monster had the exact same weakpoint HZV through their entire length. Unfortunately, monsters are not designed this way.
Realistically, you get maybe 2-4 ticks on the weakpoint and then the rest go through tanky Hit zones. These hitzones tend to have around 1/3 the HZV so they take about 1/3 the damage and don't get WEX applied to them. On top of that, a good portion of your ticks land in the Damage Mod Deadzone, so they don't get that 20-40% damage bonus. Every pellet of Spread gets that damage bonus and lands on the ideal weakpoint.
Assuming you do get a full length shot, these mechanics make each pierce shot still deal less damage than spread. Also Pierce has a tick limit, somewhere around 10-15, where afterwards the later ticks deal 1 damage regardless of how close to max crit distance you are.
Realistically, pierce just doesn't interact well with the damage mods mechanics and HZV distribution on monsters in the game. Which is why its so weak compared to spread, even on matchups like ATXeno.
Oh snap, I'm sorry I made you type out the whole explanation.
I meant I wanted them to change pierce to reward the same damage to average sized T2 monsters as spread.
Since it's more difficult to line up full length body shots than shoot just one weak point with spread.
And it would make sense (in a intuitive sort of way, so I'm not talking about mechanics just what I want for the game) to have pierce do more damage against a giant sized monster since it goes super deep into it.
@@MrNamenamenamename it would make sense for giant monsters to have a high hit zone on the center of the model , something that only pierce or stabs attacks can reach. it would balance out things that hit only on the surface with others that go trough it. you can even make it cannon by saying its a vital organ like the monster heart or something
I was trying solo behe this morning... TRYING
Thanks! ❤️ This will help
Is it just me or is the ammo selection especially for light bowgun kind of anemic in this game especially compared to MHGU
Wish they made recovery shots and the demon/armor shots better. Those things do so little for all the hassle of aiming at your comrades with a slow bullet.
I liked the internal ammo feature in MHGU.
Yes pierce shots are really powerful in classic monster hunter. Normal 2 was the next best thing afterwards, but depending on the monster normal 2 easily passed pierce 1.
I miss crouch fire...
even with playing this game less, the quality of videos are always high
And here i liked pierce ammos...
Speedrun:
Mathematically talking.
Dragon n°1 (if weak to)
Pierce n°2 (greater total)
Spread n°3 (lower total than pierce)
Hi Jinx and Tuna. This is a very informative video. Well done. Can you tell me if Dragon Mantle would increase dragon ammo damage?
Awesome video!
Fantastic, Thank you.
I just got glutton so I *had* to watch this xD
10:25 does using a close range and far range mod together work?
I learnt that I shouldn't ever use 3 dragon attack for dragon ammo..... luckily I have never had room in a build for 1 dragon attack yet :D
I still want to make a high dps normal 3 build for my HBG, I want to shot a rifle, not a shotgun.
vampirelordx1 I use the Luna/xeno gun with normal 3. Love that gun
Would elemental be viable, when in the early game against monster with a 3-star weakness against said elemnt, or would it just be faster to Pick whatever hbg I can get which can use spreadshot?
Also, try this type. I used minds eye on HBG build with normal shots. Then far range mod x2. I get 126 per shot of normal 3 in the log in training grounds. I guess it is to trigger the mods for normal 3.
Wyvern Ammo does enough DMG to kill all non elder-dragon monster (you may need to use the special ammo on some monsters). And even if you did not enough dmg, just tp back to base and refill or use cluster lvl 2/3.
I use Teostras Flames to farm every monster (except behemoth and KT) and finish the quest often under 5 min. Its just to easy to stun lock some of the monsters :D
I plan to start trying cluster since I just got my 4th attack.
Any idea on a good cluster build?
any good cluster build?
If you guys want some end game good builds you can join the discord and ask around. FYI the best cluster build needs 7 attack decos.
The Mathalos Discord( discord.gg/AFDe7yM ) has comprehensive build guides for pretty much everything. Aside from that try this imgur.com/a/mg5s1BV . Should be the first one using Dark Devourer. Console has a different build.
Seems I still have a ways to go. I might have been thinking about the HB 3 Cluster. Apologies.
Bow is so strong but not broken. Then the only usuable HBG glutton is broken coz it can match up to a bow(who supposedly HIGH SKILL weapon).
honorbound12 im sarcasticly roasting people complaining about how spread is supposed to be OP. I dont know how it is OP.
honorbound12 so u mean to say bow and power coating is OP as fuck too? Since you dish more dps and you have the mobility at the same time?
I play CC Magda II online. Very fun. Sure, I don't really deal much damage to monster with it (aside from rare occasions when I can safely CB wings of downed monster without tripping anyone), but hey, he barely can move thanks to me
Yea boi, ultimate math weapon
Honestly I've always thought that Capcom in the past have nerfed ammo and weapons just TOO much. Like I understand why slicing had to be nerfed, but it really didn't have to be THAT nerfed imo. Spread is a little too op imo, but clusters I feel that with it's skill ceiling, is fair to work with.
Most of what makes cluster powerful is the secondary stuff permitting it to be powerful, namely the many, many ways to immobilise a monster, rather than the ammo itself. I feel like if slicing was given an internal partbreaker mechanic when hitting slicing zones it'd be firmly back in the list of things to bring to a hunt for toolbox use, but it was never intended to be a main DPS ammo type. Nerfs are always difficult to talk about when there's so many levels of skill and so many styles of play, it's hard to talk about all the possible effects really.
Great vid Jinx!
I really hate the "balance" of this game. I mean in others MH you can use everything with no problem, but here, if you dont go META you suck... :C
Charge blade, Great Sword, Bowguns... too many options but just a few works.
That whole pierce mechanic was a mistake.
How are you supposed to balance something with that kind of variation?
Monster Hunter newbie here; can somebody tell me what ammo rounds benefit from KO's "Knockout King" skill? I managed to get that and the attack skill activated with my current armor, so I'd like to use it till I can make more optimal sets
Are you guys going to do a video on the kjarr elemental Switch Axes? Are they good enough to get a video, maybe even a short one? Id test it myself but I havent acquired any of them yet.
@@jkteddy77 Elemental SA is dead. To outdamage raw variants you have to stack phial explosions, which in itself is pretty hard and also impossible on solo play. The best SA atm is the jho SA because of its high asf raw and its dragon ele. While you still build around it as a raw SA, it comes on top of others because every monster is a bit weak to dragon so the damage is higher. Para SA is fun, but not as good as jho. Maybe it's better in a couple encounters like odo though.
@@jkteddy77 The paralysis works wonders in most cases, but it still doesn't equate to more dmg. It might suit your playstyle more and works better that way, but the jho SA is still the best SA around. And the choices with current meta sets, namily Drachen and ATT makes it pretty easy to 100% affinity and it's also not deco heavy at all.
@@jkteddy77 the fuck are you on about? Jho gets 100% affinity. Water SA is prettu shit because there are no matchups except for teo that it is used.
@@electrotv5023 I think they are talking about taroth water switch axe, its not awakened element allows it to use elementless. Its suppose to be one of the pre kjarr runner ups to the jho SA.
JustCozItsMe I am completely aware. Even so, it does not beat jho SA or ruin SA aim any matchup except for teostra, in which we use free element to awaken the water element (the one matchup we use it on, and we don’t even use the standard elementless)
... are you guys using a mod to make the names of the attacks to appear with the damage numbers when they hit?
What I learned is if it makes fun nerf it...
Slicing was nerfed both because it was too strong at something that wasn't its job, and also because each slice can stagger your teammates, so if someone's in there with no Flinch Free they can get stunned multiple times in quick succession. AKA in this case: if it's doing something else's job and taking away other peoples' fun, nerf it :P
AGrumpyPanda I tough for e sec you might have a point until I saw your second sentence, than I realized someone without a clue talking nonsense that he/she saw in some other video. 😂
How do people HBG without the shield??? I main the weapon and I pretty much require it.
Positioning. If you know how to read a monster with HBG you'll be tossing them in to combos enough to where you don't need it. I don't use it
by dying a lot of times just to get familiarized with monster movements so you can dodge effectively. rolling/evading while holding an HBG increases the range of your evasion.
using flashbugs when the monster is flying. bazelguese is my favorite here.
stun locking /KOing monsters, i run level 2 KO skill + impact mantle on spread3 nergi HBG. kushala daora is my favorite victim.
Is spread better than cluster now?
i know you covered normal 3 but how much different is rapid fire normal 2 is it less or more then normal 3?
IIRC normal 3 is a 32 motion value and rapid normal 2 is 20+10+10 so if you were to hit all 3 shots it would be more damage per shot. Not sure about DPS that might depend on clip size and reload/recoil
I wonder what build would take dragon attack 2 as supplemental damage..
The only thing I learned from this video is that I suck at MHW lol.
Of course my main 2 weapons are Charge Blade for the sword & board or face breaking axe (I hear this is an extremely low DPS wep, but I play solo), and HBG (with shield as first mod).
Gonna keep using Pierce 2 for the longer range attacks as my main ammo, with Slicing to F them in the A. I like slicing tails b/c it's funny when the monsters swipe their nub at you.
Too bad Slicing ammo sucks so much at actually breaking/slicing parts that I can go the whole hunt and not have anything break/sliced off the monster.
(I'm nowhere near having any of the top weapons though, I just hunted the spikey thing in the graveyard zone)
Good video, subbing for more math I won't understand. But I'll go for a recoil mod maybe as 2nd slot (I've just gotten that far) now that I know what it actually does.
What skills affect wyvernsnipe damage?
Melee bowgun master race
Nice video :)
This is why I can't be bothered to use hbg.
How about the shield mod? How strong is it?
If you want to max your damage output and are good at not getting hit, it's useless. If you're going for safety against a high threat mon (something like tempered Jho or Behemoth) then it can be pretty good. You rarely want to take more than 1 though.
your answer lacks math
1 shield mod + guard 2 is good enough for most monsters(atx for example uses that setup)
Behemoth you want atleast guard 5 with 1 shield mod
@@Dredgenicon IIRC, shield mods and guard don't stack. That's why you go with guard 5 and 1 mod, not guard 4 and 1 mod. So why would you use guard 2 when the popular consensus with guard is either 1, 3, or 5 or none at all?
@@belldrop7365 because guard 1 isnt enough for monsters like atx to take 2-3 hits and a row and guard 2 is. jinx it himself recommended this to me when atx first released. i never said it stacked, same aplies to acient leshen guard 2 is just enough guard 1 isnt
(11:45) Hello, noob here, what kind of investigations do you mean?
you can get investigations from the Ressource center (basically extra quests/missions) in which you farm one or more monsters and get more rewards than usually. It's also easier to get rare rewards like Gems.
I wish if you will cover gears of war 5 in the future once it’s released ..
Too bad, Pierce Shot officially dead in 5th Generation MH.
MOAR? o_0
What about muh modded Congalala Ammo?
No sticky ammo math???
Please, do the same for LBG :3
any good cluster builds endgame i mean
I want vid for lbg ammo pls
I wish I understood even half of what you're saying
Hey man, I love your work and all that, but some of us use,like,you know, displays that are more than fifty times larger than a cellphone, and stuff... TONE DOWN THAT FONT SIZE MAN!!
Plz builds xD
next? Devil may cry 5, please
is this a re-upload? feels like i've seen this before
Its not, hes just re using backgroundfootage. Since he stopped playing mhw
Can someone recommend an endgame cluster bomb build?
Join the discord and ask a build optimiser, but tldr is
Kt head a/b-lunachest b-xeno y x3 for all other parts, awakening charm.
Slot in 7 attack decos 3-4 agitator and 1 peak deco
I have to get back into MHW. I haven't been able to play since the first Kulve siege. I have a build for every ammo type except wyvern and dragon. Dragon ammo is so show that it's comical.
lcok
NUT
Pierce is the only good one change my mind
Try to kill a teostra in 3 minutes with pierce. Now try it with spread.
that scratchy voice kills me ...
you talk so slow I thought was watching in x0.75 speed
Talk about bloat. You guys bloviate what Vampirecosmonaut and I could make in one or two forum posts into an 18 minute video. *slow clap*