You can charge the first long gunlance shell. It's a specific move where you interrupt the dashing attack (forward and attack button) by holding the shell button. They'll stop just short of the usual distance and charge up the shot
Pure wide shell (no pokes) is a damaging and safe option for tough monsters. You can crank out steady damage independent of hitzone values. You don't need attack or crit decos. So, you can load up on defense and utility without compromising damage. It may not have sexy EFR, but it doesn't need it. Safe, reliable and consistent damage is better imo, unless you're speeding.
Quick note. If you are using Long Gunlance. Add Palico Rally to it. It is one of the few ways to increasing dps on Long, a lot of people ignore how hard the cat can hit with palico rally and jho or cursed staff that are bugged for 100% positive affinity. On other weapons you have to compare with other skills but in long is a pure damage increase.
I've been watching your videos for a while and you're absolutely right; palico rally 5, cursed staff/jho hammer, shieldspire, and demon powder makes your palico into a true powerhouse. In my experience, on a long GL it can account for about half of your overall damage in a hunt.
@@Dredgenicon Long GL is pretty far from meta, so it needs some thinking outside the box to bring it's damage up. While palicos can make monsters move in erratic ways, with the shieldspire that's literally never been a problem for me. Granted, I'll leave my cat at home with other weapons for that reason but long GL doesn't actually move all that much and with the shieldspire the cat plants in and doesn't really move either. Any time you have to pack up and move as a long GL is usually for "monster did it's charge move and decided to spam ranged attacks from the other side of the room" reasons, rather than palico-related reasons.
@@Dredgenicon That is fixed with luring the monster into corners and hallways with a flashpod. Monster moving a lot with long gunlance also is not an issue since you deal MAXDPS anywhere so you dont care where you are hitting. Of course, Long is not, and never will be meta, but palico rally greatly benefit long player.
@@jamesruth100 I wouldn't say that much, but a shield spire activation is worth from 500 to 1200 damage depending on rng and you can easily get two activations within one minute, one from the cat itself and other using the command. on a 8000 hp monster is a good chunk.
Thank you all for your patience with us fixing the numbers in the video! As always if you have anything you'd like to add or any questions don't be afraid to let us know in the comments
as far as normal shelling lances go, how does the rathian lance compare to the kt lances... iirc there's a kt lance with lvl 4 normal shelling and hidden element which means you can run elementless on it...
I get why for a meta damage build you want wide, but wide and normal can’t slap the asscheeks of flying monsters (or at least can barely depending on the monster). I prefer long just for that dummy thicc monster booty.
Tyler Cafe very true.. just noticed that. They talk numbers but then try and talk situations and it's just a fail in terms of having a proper discussion. Long shelling disregards sooo many flaws that wide/normal/swing lance have. But let's "only focus on dps".
I think part of the intended role of Long is a midpoint between Normal and Wide, since the one thing Long does better than Wide is Full Burst and it does shelling better than Normal. The problem is the same with any other hybrid- you need to have a reason to want to use both and not just bring something better at one or the other.
The real problem of Long is to not have enough raw or elemental damage to complement the shelling. What makes normal powerful is not the full burst, in fact the difference between a normal and a long burst is like a 5% less when you get capacity because long shells are much stronger and with capacity the burst becomes +1/3 stronger while capacity only makes normal full burst a +1/5 stronger. This is fine because otherwise would be no point in using normal outclassed ever on it's specialty because that 5% is worthless compared with all the other things long has over it. On old game the meta weapon used to be long gls because the higher raw and uselessness of shelling in general use.
@@godhi4515 The sad true of old mh is that there was zero reason to use shells. Shelling did scale bad, very bad into endgame and the best combo was to poke poke upswing backstep. In world is a different story because they made faster the poke shell poke shell motion where you cancel shells with pokes and pokes with shells and the shell base damage is higher thanks to the high rank modifier. Even there is hope for MR where there is a 1.5 modifier vs the 1.2 of HR. This is coming from a guy who soloed Gogmazios with only shellings and took like 49 minutes.
@@godhi4515 I'm going to tell you something interesting. The thing that will make pokeshell good and relevant in Iceborn is not Raw. It is elemental. Elemental damage synergies perfectly with pokes, pokes are bad mv but carries all the damage of elemental and also synergies with not attacking weakpoints or having to do critical hits. They are a match in heaven. Right now Kjarr Water is superior to Taroth Water in a lot of matchups with realistic builds. I compare poke shells using a factor than I call Damage Per Poke Shell or DPPS that is just the addition of the poke and the shell damage in a zone. And Kjarr has a higher DPPS on a bunch of matchups. ruclips.net/video/WDbWd1O-TGk/видео.html Also there is another thing that blow some minds. Having a shell type don't distactes the combo you should use all the time. The difference between a max dps wide gunlance build and a slap stick are just three level 1 slots and a level 2 slot. With the actual sets you got them to spades and is not a big difference on dps. So you get your optimal Posion dps build, swap the weapon to Taroth Water and swap whatever lowers the dps the most. Now in battle, use poke shell normally but when the monster goes down switch to slam sweep on the weakpoint. Once you get enough damage, slap stick overpass wide and so you can get the best of both worlds. The distance between wide and slapstick is not as wide. I use this a lot against Kulve Taroth, those horns take huge damage once broken and I teched WE and affinty booster for it in my 'optimal' farming build.
Noticed your vid was pre IB.. with the addition of wyrmstrike blast and the buff on charge shelling having less recoil, what do you think of Long Shellings?
I think there is something you need to consider in this analysis, if player eat for bombardier, the wide and long would do better, which swing lance doesn't take advantage of. Personally when i play gunlance (wide or long) I always eat for bombardier.
Welp... I've been using long 4 gunlance ever since I could craft the zora magdaros L4 gunlance (then swapped it for a L4 form kulve), and didn't knew that it was considered a meme. I was happy that I was getting sub 10 minutes hunts on tier 3 tempereds, but I suppose I could get even lower then if I could go with wide 4 then? Will have to try it out now
I like to go with the wide shelling lance because if your going to use swing lance for max dps, you should probably just use swing *any sword*. The boom is fun and satisfying.
The reason to go Wide shell is being the right choice in almost every monster. Slap sweep and aerial are best for breaking a world record but requires collaboration from the monster. You aren't going to get any of it on AT monsters, Behemoth or Lunastra. Slapstick is hard on them and aerial is staight up imposible.
Even with poor hit zone monsters, I’ll use shell poke shell poke shell poke, instead of shell*3 + poke, it remains your position and poke and shell cancels each other’s animation. The shell poke shell poke shell reload combo is not in the spreadsheet, I guess it’s very close to poke*3 shell*3 reload but still. Positioning is my biggest gripe about swinglance, when you chain trip your target, try to get the most combo uptime, you keep moving forward; plus the wide sweep, it’s very difficult to keep hitting the weak spot.
There are some threshold on how many pokes you want to throw based in how much you are hitting for. the trick for shell poke shell shell is to place yourself in a side so wide area hits the monster in the side or place yourself against a wall. If you are using shell poke shell shell I asume you are using R6 or R7 wide gunlances that have crap melee whatnever you try and the poke is meaninless
@@caoslayer Thanks for your tips. Basically, it's R7 Bomber against Lavasioth/Lunastra, the position problem is quite noticable against Lavasioth generally, and Luna if you are not using mantle tanking in front of her face.
"We're not the biggest fan of the image Gunlance has that it's a weapon you build only defensively with QOL skills and don't worry about DPS" god finally someone else fuckin says it
for swing lance kulve poison/water or the jho one, for burst pink rathian or the kulve poison i think?, for wide 4 the kulve/bazel or the kulve water, and for long use the r6 kulve rathalos one since you're just gonna be using shells you can health augment it and don't care about raw.
Two questions, did you use training pole numbers for shelling damage or high rank shelling damage? How do the numbers look if you factor in the average time you can actually attack before you have to stop to block/hop?
@@francomattioda8155 charging avoids the wyrmstake. So you can keep applying the shelling damage. Which means the only skills needed are Artillery which frees up a lot of the build for Defensive and QoL skills. Artillery Charm + Magazine Jewel. Then any other skills you want.
Finally a Gunlance Video. Very well done guys! Please include wide 4s in the meta video. It will be hard (I have like 3 pages of GL builds, as each monster requires something different for max DPS) but I have faith you guys can do it :)
Sorry we weren't very clear with the description. What we meant is you can't do the charge 4x shell combo off the bat. Regardless of whether you do 1 shell/poke > charge x3 or the rising slash cancel into charge x4, the dps is lower than simply charge x4 spam looping. The extra animation time on the rising slash cancel makes it have lower DPS than the 4x charge loop, which in context of the video makes it irrelevant for DPS comparisons. The 4x charge loop still loses to wide in DPS, so any combos from Long that are lower DPS also deal lower DPS.
@ JinJinx and Tuna [Monster Hunter Math] Sorry if I just missed it, but did you mention anywhere that gunlance shelling deals a miniscule amount of fire damage, meaning shellings does a few damage more to Vaal Hazak than say Teostra?
I've seen people using taroth's bazel gunlance using wide poke shelling style with blast for AT Nergi TA Rules. Maybe wide poke shell is good with ailment infusion? Since it has pretty quick animation. While nonshell swing style just focus on damage and affinity, like joe's gunlance build. How about making a build for each style with different purpose?
Back then Wide was the charged shot lance and Long was for pure shelling They swapped them around in World So pure shelling has always been better than charged shot basicly
Capcom has been absolutely terrified of making shelling even remotely worth building towards since the gunlance's infancy. It's literally been a joke that in certain gens it was better to never even shell at all, damage wise. It's the main reason I switched to evade lance way back in the day. If I'm going to just poke, I may as well be nimble.
Lots of flaws with them talking about dps vs actual situations. Long shelling disregards a lot of issues that the other playstyles have. Long damage is consistent no matter where you hit the monster, only changes when you reach below green sharpness, fairly safe in recovery (which normal/swing lance are terrible at), and opens up other skills because it doesn't require much. I want to see someone use swing lance on a Tigrex or Barrioth. It's got annoyingly bad recovery
I am new to this weapon but from what I've seen it exists to end a swing lance combo or a 3 shell combo. Since wyernstake blast was added, it also factors into a combo albeit a high commitment one to set it off alongside wyernfire and regular shelling. The thing that confuses me right now is the indication on when it is ready. So basically I think that wyernstake blast is the opener that uses slinger ammo, and the original wyernstake alongside wyernfire + regular shells all deal defense ignoring damage that scales with artillery.
What about using long gunlances for full bursting? Like I have the royal burst and the anja GL, and I don't have optimal gear for anything but with the best i can like artil 3 and capac boost on the full burst combo I'm able to hit decently more on the anja GL than I can the Royal burst, but don't know how they stack up with meta and taking poison into account.
wait what. don't you need to build damage on a wide gunlance? wouldn't the lack of those damage skills mean that long gun lance has more skills to use thus making it more defensive?
Long is usually superior on monsters who have aoe effects. Wide is only clearly superior on small quicker monsters(Kirin) Wide is good on Bo and Nerg. But Long trips and staggers at a MUCH higher clip. Long is the safest. You can attack from SOOO far away. I can trip lock Kushala with Long, can't with Wide. You will keep getting knocked back with Wide. Wide shelling range is too damned short. Monsters are able to get away too easily making you miss a lot of the time. Wide looks amazing on paper but in reality, they basically push with Long. The range on Long shelling is insane. Kushala can't even fly high enough that you cannot hit it with long shells. Usually dropping him out of the sky for more free dps. I don't even have to flash him with Long. In conclusion, Wide is better than long on paper but not in practice. Lastly, health Regen is insane on long shelling.
Hello. I'm sorry but there is no proof of long ever being an optimal choice either on paper, or practice. For your Kushala argument, here are 2 videos of the top gunlance player using wide gunlance to trip lock Kushala, and kill him under 2 minutes, which long could never achieve due to its low DPS: 1'54 ruclips.net/video/tsEmZlHa7BA/видео.html 1'49 ruclips.net/video/GwH9pyEgs-c/видео.html Here's his AT Kushala run, where he used Slaplance and locked him down once again: 4'49 ruclips.net/video/bXOU6hK3gEc/видео.html I highly recommend watching his videos, and also CL ( ruclips.net/channel/UCd6gpVWTPGGVZ9dcKFawItw ), he's a hammer and gunlance main, and has some very creative runs. They are the 2 best GL players and you can learn a lot from watching their runs. I hope I have cleared things up, cheers!
@@XanMH1 Wide is high risk high reward. It is in no way safer than long shelling. I have seen speed runners do amazing thing with wide. But for 99% of players, long is the safer more consistent option. To me it's a peak vs attack boost argument. It's possible to trip lock with Wide, but it's FAR easier to do with long. I killed Kushala in 3 minutes(not even my best run) and I'm far from a speed runner. There's been more than one time when I ended the fight where I started it with long shelling. Bomb to start the fight and trip him. Keep shelling the head to keep him tripped until dead. That's a lot tougher to do with Wide(for a casual).
Xan pretty much covered what we were going to say. Specifically on the kushala arguement, the reason why long triplocks more easily is ironically because its dps is so much lower. The way flinches/trips work is if while the monster is down you deal enough damage to flinch again, it resets the counter to 0 without triggering the flinch. We call this "eating the glinch/trip" Wide when played super cleanly with META build can deal enough to trigger the flinch threshhold several tkmes ovet and still chaib. But un clean play on wide leaves a lil damage left over, probs someqhere sround 50% of thw way to the next trip. Long on the otherhand, despite having the 20% flinch bonus, will deal low enough damage to not overkill the next trip and will instead trigger it after kush gets up.
How on earth can you achieve shelling level 6 when the highest base shelling level is 4? Also have you run into an issue where capacity boost doesn’t increase the shelling level on your Gunlance? Ex: Kjarr Buster Spark has Long shelling lv 4 but when I put on capacity boost it stays lv 4
Thankfully I was able to obtain a wide 4 shelling gunlance from Kulve taroth. I still think it's pretty dumb that you can't craft a wide 4 gunlance on your own. When all the other shelling types can be crafted to their max level. Bazel/Luna should've had lvl 4 wide.
Hey Jinjinx and Tuna! Thanks for your effort. Could you please make a video about sword and shield? I am wondering whether I should just go with the Jho or build elemental Sets. I lack the knowledge for the maths. Thanks!
While Swinglance is the highest damage, it's not really...fun. Yeah, it shreds enemies up bad, but it's just one combo over and over, and it's a REALLY unsafe combo. Wide feels the most like regular lance, but with big periods between pokes, feels much safer overall, and it just feels much more unique, and it's not like you're completely closed off from a slap combo.
Nice in-depth guide about feasible gunlance playstyles, and I see no practical playstyle for Wyrmstake. The devs need to take a good hard look at the spreadsheets, realize that they're shit at balancing coolness with gameplay power level, and make an actual effort to balance the numbers. I hope the new Wyrmstake Blast move is worthwhile (although it essentially made the vanilla Wyrmstake Cannon a dud move).
@@tylercafe1260 The point is to educate what is the strongest, and spread knowledge about mechanics and how they're applied and in what they translate in numbers, they're not forcing anybody to use what's best. They're not judging other people not using "meta" equipment either. Mathematically, Long is bad compared to the rest of the GL playstyle. That's a fact. I'm a Long user myself, and I know it. But I use it because I like it, not because I wrongly assume it's great. Their video is simply spreading knowledge, people do what they want of it afterwards. It's better to play what you like because you like it while knowing it may not be the best, rather use it while wrongly assuming it's better than what it is.
@@tylercafe1260 The point is WHICH ARE META AND DO THE MOST DAMAGE on a purely, factual, mathematical level. What your favorite playstyle is doesn't fucking matter.
It is totally godwaful Not only is very low damage compared with shell shell poke shell in a spreadsheet but also you face extreme recoil from the shells that makes you having to hop forward very often. A poke moves you forward and makes you stay on place, there is a bit of recoil in shell shell poke shell and none in shell poke shell poke shell. The secret is that poke shell poke takes almost as much time as shell shell and you are throwing a poke between, that can deal from 10 to 90 damage depending your build and the hitzone.
That's something they're going to not have fun with lmao especially with how they handled criticism and trolls in their last videos. SnS is all about the elemental typing for Max dps nothing too fancy just elemental peak performance. But by all means stretcch it out into a 15 min. Video.
I understand why you guys’ve been so hesitant on making these videos. Some people will never be satisfied. Instead of screaming at them like children maybe you should try and be descent and realize they can miss things. They put a shit ton of work in to make these videos and don’t need to if they don’t want to. So be fucking patient and respectful to people who are doing this for the love of a damn videogame.
I wish we had a guy like you making Gunlance videos for Rise/Sunbreak. Caoslayer has plagued the community with awful misinformation about how to play Gunlance "effectively" ((it's so fucking bad dude the guy had people saying Long Fullburst was stronger than Normal Fullburst))
Long gunlances can also make use of the fullo bursto combo which is good for pumping downed monsters with bad hitzone values full of deeps. Wide gunlances don't really have that option due to their sad little clip of 3 shells, poke shoot is all they are. If there will ever be a long 4 gunlance that also has amazing physical stats, it'll eclipse all the other lances because it could do the most damaging gunlance combo as well as full shelling. The best of both worlds.
@@charlescirio guard works by some impact thresholds that every attack have. Guard serves to reduce the impact and attacks usually with guard 1 is enough to negate all impact on most attacks but the heaviest ones where usually guard 3 also get affected, so there are a lot of situations where guard 1 is virtually equal to guard 3. Guard 5 is good for a very few monsters like jho, behemoth and kulve taroth that have common attacks where guard 3 gets pushed. In ATKT I consider guard 5 a must since trying to block the fire carpet with guard 3 gets your stammina sapped.
We just got hardcarried by a long gunlance user on AT Kushala. He had an easy time not only hitting him in the air with his Charged shells but also consistently knocking him out the sky for free big openings. Though quite a niche case I was very impressed and will try to copy his build.
TBH : Im the long long long maaan gunlance man this is so much fine video actually. the Long type are suffering much but it saved by general defensive skills, like Earplug and Guard Up (not including iron wall skills) BUT like you says it suffering more deep than hell, long time animation, need spesific skills (Focus 3), low HZV etc. wide gunlance for me it wilder, it can up right your dps into highest but also can turned it down into lowest with small mistake you do in game. why you calling it full bursto? im laughing so hard when you tried saying that thing in video.... Normal gunlance it kind of the balance of madness and tricky, if you has follow the trick you will be welcome into madness sharpness eater, if you wrong do the trick, you will be welcome into madness of correction and restarting the combo from the start again. swing gunlance are best gunlance in the terms of non shelling (because its the only one, so its become the best), i cant anything about it since im having more hard time dealing with this swing type than the wide one which is feel more natural to me to use shelling, and poke even im got many wrong moves in there, maybe i`ll try again (place basara in here), tonight to learn more about the wide shelling and match up combination to make it better, since im tried runs meme build, but having fun at same time, like i dont care monster roar because earplug 5 its easy to pickup, and just spam the charged shelling
@@Dredgenicon im rellying only with guard up for some case monster like lunastra or teostra, but other wise im hardly blocking just using EE 3 it enough space to avoid their attacks, also with earplug its making long animation "safe" enough since they will be invulnerable too while roaring xD
Soooooooo. Gunlance, shield, pokey stick, EXPLOSIONS! Use it like a club for optimal DPS with a VERY tedious and unsafe looping 2 strike combo. OR Hunt kluve beyond tedium and pray for a usable wide 4 RNG drop item. Then use it like a club anyways. FML. I hope iceborn fixed this. Onwards with the videos I guess.
I've been playing gunlance recently, it's kinda boring imo. At least wide is, that's what I've been using (taroth buster water). Just poke shell xInfinity. Very effective, very easy. Not my style though.
What did he not get right? He literally framecounted moves and explained in the video why long is bad. How can you argue against numbers? The fun little gimmick people kept bringing up was the stagger, which got debunked in this video, now what? The range? That won't make long any more relevant in the META. Or Palico rally? Same thing. Long is bad, but you're free to keep playing it if you enjoy it.
@@magnamalo7260 because monster are not training pole, Long GL can attack outside monster attack range, yes its lower deeps but long GL can do consistent damage in very safe range
@@gurta7101 Which ultimately doesn't matter as monster aggro works in a way that they always come close to you, or you can just lunge towards the monster and cancel it with a shell on wide. I'm open to be educated though, if you can show me a run where this is such a big advantage that it makes long better than wide, I'm open to change my mind. Though I doubt this range advantage would make this style any better.
@@magnamalo7260 its annoying how pure wide shelling always repositioning because monster is out of your attack range, while long shell can keep attacking, i am a fan of heavy weapon, my most used weapon are lance GL and HBG, with GL i have try every style, i know long shelling low dps but susprisingly its very comfortable and very easy to use, almost brain dead, long GL are niche weapon, fan use it not because of deeps but because its very easy and fun to use without much drawback
People coming into a math and dps calculation videos and argue about how you can/should sacrifice dps to gain whatever. Yeah you can, but that's not the point of this video.
In World, Long Gunlance is very much like Dragon Piercer and Crit Draw Great Sword. It's Mathematically inefficient. Play what you want, though. It's a game. It's meant to be fun. If you find Long GL fun, then play it.
@@JinJinxandTuna thank you for your amazing work. I will continue to use it because it's become my way of life. But thanks to you, I have started playing wide 4 as well. Which is noticably more damage, admittedly. My eyes are opened.
@@skylerdickson2939 Don't worry they hit a pole and it's totally not a bad way to judge DPS. It's not like elemental typings matter on matchups just Raw.
@@tylercafe1260 this response seems strangely facetious and sarcastic. anyway, there isnt an armory of elemental wide 4 choices friend. elementless/raw is sort of the best choice out of only a handful of blast options.
@@Xero_Remains i am used to it but it would still be great if we didnt have different shelling types and long gunlance is bad compared to other weapons and is boring
The biggest problem I've been seeing is the over use of the training pole. It's Max dps on paper but not in practicality. Long boys still upset. So 2 videos in a row getting the same information wrong. Oh boy.
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You can charge the first long gunlance shell. It's a specific move where you interrupt the dashing attack (forward and attack button) by holding the shell button. They'll stop just short of the usual distance and charge up the shot
good to know
Gunlance 2: Revenge of the Spreadsheets
"Long shelling is Memelance"
How times have changed
Yeah I'm running long vaal spy but can't find any good math based builds around it so I'm running Zorah pieces rn
Has Long shelling been buffed? I'm only just getting into gun lance.
Pure wide shell (no pokes) is a damaging and safe option for tough monsters. You can crank out steady damage independent of hitzone values.
You don't need attack or crit decos. So, you can load up on defense and utility without compromising damage.
It may not have sexy EFR, but it doesn't need it. Safe, reliable and consistent damage is better imo, unless you're speeding.
Quick note. If you are using Long Gunlance. Add Palico Rally to it. It is one of the few ways to increasing dps on Long, a lot of people ignore how hard the cat can hit with palico rally and jho or cursed staff that are bugged for 100% positive affinity.
On other weapons you have to compare with other skills but in long is a pure damage increase.
I've been watching your videos for a while and you're absolutely right; palico rally 5, cursed staff/jho hammer, shieldspire, and demon powder makes your palico into a true powerhouse. In my experience, on a long GL it can account for about half of your overall damage in a hunt.
most meta endgame players turn off their palico... because it only causes the monster to move more
@@Dredgenicon Long GL is pretty far from meta, so it needs some thinking outside the box to bring it's damage up. While palicos can make monsters move in erratic ways, with the shieldspire that's literally never been a problem for me. Granted, I'll leave my cat at home with other weapons for that reason but long GL doesn't actually move all that much and with the shieldspire the cat plants in and doesn't really move either. Any time you have to pack up and move as a long GL is usually for "monster did it's charge move and decided to spam ranged attacks from the other side of the room" reasons, rather than palico-related reasons.
@@Dredgenicon That is fixed with luring the monster into corners and hallways with a flashpod.
Monster moving a lot with long gunlance also is not an issue since you deal MAXDPS anywhere so you dont care where you are hitting.
Of course, Long is not, and never will be meta, but palico rally greatly benefit long player.
@@jamesruth100 I wouldn't say that much, but a shield spire activation is worth from 500 to 1200 damage depending on rng and you can easily get two activations within one minute, one from the cat itself and other using the command. on a 8000 hp monster is a good chunk.
Thank you all for your patience with us fixing the numbers in the video!
As always if you have anything you'd like to add or any questions don't be afraid to let us know in the comments
as far as normal shelling lances go, how does the rathian lance compare to the kt lances... iirc there's a kt lance with lvl 4 normal shelling and hidden element which means you can run elementless on it...
I get why for a meta damage build you want wide, but wide and normal can’t slap the asscheeks of flying monsters (or at least can barely depending on the monster). I prefer long just for that dummy thicc monster booty.
Jinx and Tuna focus on the paper more than the player.
@@tylercafe1260 also on the subject of GL, the blue chariot and the anja gl are nearly identical. except in rarity. its dumb :|
Tyler Cafe very true.. just noticed that. They talk numbers but then try and talk situations and it's just a fail in terms of having a proper discussion.
Long shelling disregards sooo many flaws that wide/normal/swing lance have. But let's "only focus on dps".
I think part of the intended role of Long is a midpoint between Normal and Wide, since the one thing Long does better than Wide is Full Burst and it does shelling better than Normal. The problem is the same with any other hybrid- you need to have a reason to want to use both and not just bring something better at one or the other.
The real problem of Long is to not have enough raw or elemental damage to complement the shelling.
What makes normal powerful is not the full burst, in fact the difference between a normal and a long burst is like a 5% less when you get capacity because long shells are much stronger and with capacity the burst becomes +1/3 stronger while capacity only makes normal full burst a +1/5 stronger.
This is fine because otherwise would be no point in using normal outclassed ever on it's specialty because that 5% is worthless compared with all the other things long has over it.
On old game the meta weapon used to be long gls because the higher raw and uselessness of shelling in general use.
@@godhi4515 The sad true of old mh is that there was zero reason to use shells. Shelling did scale bad, very bad into endgame and the best combo was to poke poke upswing backstep.
In world is a different story because they made faster the poke shell poke shell motion where you cancel shells with pokes and pokes with shells and the shell base damage is higher thanks to the high rank modifier.
Even there is hope for MR where there is a 1.5 modifier vs the 1.2 of HR.
This is coming from a guy who soloed Gogmazios with only shellings and took like 49 minutes.
@@godhi4515 I'm going to tell you something interesting.
The thing that will make pokeshell good and relevant in Iceborn is not Raw. It is elemental.
Elemental damage synergies perfectly with pokes, pokes are bad mv but carries all the damage of elemental and also synergies with not attacking weakpoints or having to do critical hits. They are a match in heaven.
Right now Kjarr Water is superior to Taroth Water in a lot of matchups with realistic builds.
I compare poke shells using a factor than I call Damage Per Poke Shell or DPPS that is just the addition of the poke and the shell damage in a zone. And Kjarr has a higher DPPS on a bunch of matchups.
ruclips.net/video/WDbWd1O-TGk/видео.html
Also there is another thing that blow some minds. Having a shell type don't distactes the combo you should use all the time.
The difference between a max dps wide gunlance build and a slap stick are just three level 1 slots and a level 2 slot. With the actual sets you got them to spades and is not a big difference on dps.
So you get your optimal Posion dps build, swap the weapon to Taroth Water and swap whatever lowers the dps the most.
Now in battle, use poke shell normally but when the monster goes down switch to slam sweep on the weakpoint. Once you get enough damage, slap stick overpass wide and so you can get the best of both worlds. The distance between wide and slapstick is not as wide.
I use this a lot against Kulve Taroth, those horns take huge damage once broken and I teched WE and affinty booster for it in my 'optimal' farming build.
"You could call it the art of shelling... without shelling." -Bruce Lee (Swing Lancer)
Noticed your vid was pre IB.. with the addition of wyrmstrike blast and the buff on charge shelling having less recoil, what do you think of Long Shellings?
Best part of this is I get to like the video twice ;)
if you wanna play no shell GL
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Go play Lance for a satisfying GUARDO-COUNTERTO
Imagine having a lance without the gun
But gunlance give me that visceral great sword feel
I think there is something you need to consider in this analysis, if player eat for bombardier, the wide and long would do better, which swing lance doesn't take advantage of. Personally when i play gunlance (wide or long) I always eat for bombardier.
Welp... I've been using long 4 gunlance ever since I could craft the zora magdaros L4 gunlance (then swapped it for a L4 form kulve), and didn't knew that it was considered a meme. I was happy that I was getting sub 10 minutes hunts on tier 3 tempereds, but I suppose I could get even lower then if I could go with wide 4 then? Will have to try it out now
I like to go with the wide shelling lance because if your going to use swing lance for max dps, you should probably just use swing *any sword*. The boom is fun and satisfying.
The reason to go Wide shell is being the right choice in almost every monster.
Slap sweep and aerial are best for breaking a world record but requires collaboration from the monster.
You aren't going to get any of it on AT monsters, Behemoth or Lunastra. Slapstick is hard on them and aerial is staight up imposible.
*watches at x2 speed*
Even with poor hit zone monsters, I’ll use shell poke shell poke shell poke, instead of shell*3 + poke, it remains your position and poke and shell cancels each other’s animation.
The shell poke shell poke shell reload combo is not in the spreadsheet, I guess it’s very close to poke*3 shell*3 reload but still.
Positioning is my biggest gripe about swinglance, when you chain trip your target, try to get the most combo uptime, you keep moving forward; plus the wide sweep, it’s very difficult to keep hitting the weak spot.
There are some threshold on how many pokes you want to throw based in how much you are hitting for.
the trick for shell poke shell shell is to place yourself in a side so wide area hits the monster in the side or place yourself against a wall.
If you are using shell poke shell shell I asume you are using R6 or R7 wide gunlances that have crap melee whatnever you try and the poke is meaninless
@@caoslayer Thanks for your tips.
Basically, it's R7 Bomber against Lavasioth/Lunastra, the position problem is quite noticable against Lavasioth generally, and Luna if you are not using mantle tanking in front of her face.
"We're not the biggest fan of the image Gunlance has that it's a weapon you build only defensively with QOL skills and don't worry about DPS" god finally someone else fuckin says it
thank you for all the work y’all put into the making of these videos
Please do a video that covers the mathematically best gunlances for all the different types!
i can help but with out mathematically one, since it only consider lv 4 shelling and the types one (minus with their elementals or aligment inside)
This is part of their GL series which ends with the video you just described
for swing lance kulve poison/water or the jho one, for burst pink rathian or the kulve poison i think?, for wide 4 the kulve/bazel or the kulve water, and for long use the r6 kulve rathalos one since you're just gonna be using shells you can health augment it and don't care about raw.
YOU WOULD THINK THEY WERE GOING TO DO THAT BUT NO
Two questions, did you use training pole numbers for shelling damage or high rank shelling damage? How do the numbers look if you factor in the average time you can actually attack before you have to stop to block/hop?
With Wide Shelling, I've found Shell, Shell, Charged Shell quick reload makes a nice combo that let's me make a more defensive build.
Charging the 3rd avoids the wyrmstake? or do you take a pause to stop it?
@@francomattioda8155 charging avoids the wyrmstake. So you can keep applying the shelling damage. Which means the only skills needed are Artillery which frees up a lot of the build for Defensive and QoL skills. Artillery Charm + Magazine Jewel. Then any other skills you want.
Finally a Gunlance Video. Very well done guys! Please include wide 4s in the meta video. It will be hard (I have like 3 pages of GL builds, as each monster requires something different for max DPS) but I have faith you guys can do it :)
Can you please do a new gunlance analysis with the new expansion?
@10:54 still wrong on this. your 1st shell can be charged :D
forward triangle into hold circle immediately.
Sorry we weren't very clear with the description. What we meant is you can't do the charge 4x shell combo off the bat. Regardless of whether you do 1 shell/poke > charge x3 or the rising slash cancel into charge x4, the dps is lower than simply charge x4 spam looping.
The extra animation time on the rising slash cancel makes it have lower DPS than the 4x charge loop, which in context of the video makes it irrelevant for DPS comparisons. The 4x charge loop still loses to wide in DPS, so any combos from Long that are lower DPS also deal lower DPS.
@@JinJinxandTuna yes i agree, thank you for the explanation jinx :D
@@hnoch93 Bold of you to assume I'm Jinx
@ JinJinx and Tuna [Monster Hunter Math] Sorry if I just missed it, but did you mention anywhere that gunlance shelling deals a miniscule amount of fire damage, meaning shellings does a few damage more to Vaal Hazak than say Teostra?
Yes, in our first video covering GL.
@@JinJinxandTuna As expected, thank you
Thanks for all your hard work guys. Makes my ramadan worth fasting for.
I've seen people using taroth's bazel gunlance using wide poke shelling style with blast for AT Nergi TA Rules. Maybe wide poke shell is good with ailment infusion? Since it has pretty quick animation. While nonshell swing style just focus on damage and affinity, like joe's gunlance build. How about making a build for each style with different purpose?
Yeah the Kjarr Bomber is very strong. It's the best general use wide gunlance now.
Is there updated tables for Iceborne?
A skill that let shells crit would be nice
Well we are getting the wyrmstake blast in iceborne.
they already bypass armor so probably not needed?
I remember back in MH4U how most GL players used Long shells and Wide was the least used.
Oh how times have changed.
I was thinking that
The silver rath gl
Back then Wide was the charged shot lance and Long was for pure shelling
They swapped them around in World
So pure shelling has always been better than charged shot basicly
Capcom has been absolutely terrified of making shelling even remotely worth building towards since the gunlance's infancy. It's literally been a joke that in certain gens it was better to never even shell at all, damage wise. It's the main reason I switched to evade lance way back in the day. If I'm going to just poke, I may as well be nimble.
We gonna get a meta build series?? Or nah?
Gun lance is my favorite weapon along side regular lance.
Love you guys!!!
I think they should bring back frame guard when shelling like mhp3rd or at least charge shot. It will make long shell more stronger
I just enjoy long gunlance guys.
Lots of flaws with them talking about dps vs actual situations. Long shelling disregards a lot of issues that the other playstyles have.
Long damage is consistent no matter where you hit the monster, only changes when you reach below green sharpness, fairly safe in recovery (which normal/swing lance are terrible at), and opens up other skills because it doesn't require much.
I want to see someone use swing lance on a Tigrex or Barrioth. It's got annoyingly bad recovery
Can anyone tell me why wyvernstake exists and when to use it?
I am new to this weapon but from what I've seen it exists to end a swing lance combo or a 3 shell combo. Since wyernstake blast was added, it also factors into a combo albeit a high commitment one to set it off alongside wyernfire and regular shelling. The thing that confuses me right now is the indication on when it is ready. So basically I think that wyernstake blast is the opener that uses slinger ammo, and the original wyernstake alongside wyernfire + regular shells all deal defense ignoring damage that scales with artillery.
What about using long gunlances for full bursting? Like I have the royal burst and the anja GL, and I don't have optimal gear for anything but with the best i can like artil 3 and capac boost on the full burst combo I'm able to hit decently more on the anja GL than I can the Royal burst, but don't know how they stack up with meta and taking poison into account.
Just want the meta builds now
Soooo...Does Normal Gunlance combo burst with 6 shells is good or it sucks?
(Sorry im stupid)
wait what. don't you need to build damage on a wide gunlance? wouldn't the lack of those damage skills mean that long gun lance has more skills to use thus making it more defensive?
Swing gunlance will safer with hop after side swing, when you lower damage but more safer
Long is usually superior on monsters who have aoe effects. Wide is only clearly superior on small quicker monsters(Kirin)
Wide is good on Bo and Nerg. But Long trips and staggers at a MUCH higher clip.
Long is the safest. You can attack from SOOO far away.
I can trip lock Kushala with Long, can't with Wide.
You will keep getting knocked back with Wide. Wide shelling range is too damned short.
Monsters are able to get away too easily making you miss a lot of the time.
Wide looks amazing on paper but in reality, they basically push with Long.
The range on Long shelling is insane. Kushala can't even fly high enough that you cannot hit it with long shells. Usually dropping him out of the sky for more free dps. I don't even have to flash him with Long.
In conclusion, Wide is better than long on paper but not in practice.
Lastly, health Regen is insane on long shelling.
Hello. I'm sorry but there is no proof of long ever being an optimal choice either on paper, or practice.
For your Kushala argument, here are 2 videos of the top gunlance player using wide gunlance to trip lock Kushala, and kill him under 2 minutes, which long could never achieve due to its low DPS:
1'54 ruclips.net/video/tsEmZlHa7BA/видео.html
1'49 ruclips.net/video/GwH9pyEgs-c/видео.html
Here's his AT Kushala run, where he used Slaplance and locked him down once again:
4'49 ruclips.net/video/bXOU6hK3gEc/видео.html
I highly recommend watching his videos, and also CL ( ruclips.net/channel/UCd6gpVWTPGGVZ9dcKFawItw ), he's a hammer and gunlance main, and has some very creative runs. They are the 2 best GL players and you can learn a lot from watching their runs.
I hope I have cleared things up, cheers!
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Wide is high risk high reward. It is in no way safer than long shelling.
I have seen speed runners do amazing thing with wide. But for 99% of players, long is the safer more consistent option.
To me it's a peak vs attack boost argument.
It's possible to trip lock with Wide, but it's FAR easier to do with long.
I killed Kushala in 3 minutes(not even my best run) and I'm far from a speed runner.
There's been more than one time when I ended the fight where I started it with long shelling.
Bomb to start the fight and trip him. Keep shelling the head to keep him tripped until dead.
That's a lot tougher to do with Wide(for a casual).
Yeah, long shell is a functional and safe playstyle, there's no denying that.
Xan pretty much covered what we were going to say.
Specifically on the kushala arguement, the reason why long triplocks more easily is ironically because its dps is so much lower.
The way flinches/trips work is if while the monster is down you deal enough damage to flinch again, it resets the counter to 0 without triggering the flinch. We call this "eating the glinch/trip"
Wide when played super cleanly with META build can deal enough to trigger the flinch threshhold several tkmes ovet and still chaib. But un clean play on wide leaves a lil damage left over, probs someqhere sround 50% of thw way to the next trip.
Long on the otherhand, despite having the 20% flinch bonus, will deal low enough damage to not overkill the next trip and will instead trigger it after kush gets up.
How on earth can you achieve shelling level 6 when the highest base shelling level is 4? Also have you run into an issue where capacity boost doesn’t increase the shelling level on your Gunlance? Ex: Kjarr Buster Spark has Long shelling lv 4 but when I put on capacity boost it stays lv 4
Lv4 isn't the capacity it's the lvl of damage the shells do. If you have three shells you will have 4 with capacity boost
Thankfully I was able to obtain a wide 4 shelling gunlance from Kulve taroth. I still think it's pretty dumb that you can't craft a wide 4 gunlance on your own. When all the other shelling types can be crafted to their max level.
Bazel/Luna should've had lvl 4 wide.
Hey Jinjinx and Tuna! Thanks for your effort. Could you please make a video about sword and shield? I am wondering whether I should just go with the Jho or build elemental Sets. I lack the knowledge for the maths. Thanks!
While Swinglance is the highest damage, it's not really...fun. Yeah, it shreds enemies up bad, but it's just one combo over and over, and it's a REALLY unsafe combo. Wide feels the most like regular lance, but with big periods between pokes, feels much safer overall, and it just feels much more unique, and it's not like you're completely closed off from a slap combo.
Thanx for the correction Jinx!!
He didn't tho.
Nice in-depth guide about feasible gunlance playstyles, and I see no practical playstyle for Wyrmstake. The devs need to take a good hard look at the spreadsheets, realize that they're shit at balancing coolness with gameplay power level, and make an actual effort to balance the numbers. I hope the new Wyrmstake Blast move is worthwhile (although it essentially made the vanilla Wyrmstake Cannon a dud move).
Long players still up in arms to defend their shelling type.
Not the point of the hate. Jinx and Tuna videos are good on paper but heavily ignores what people like to do. NO ONE IS GOING TO USE SWINGLANCE.
@@tylercafe1260 The point is to educate what is the strongest, and spread knowledge about mechanics and how they're applied and in what they translate in numbers, they're not forcing anybody to use what's best. They're not judging other people not using "meta" equipment either.
Mathematically, Long is bad compared to the rest of the GL playstyle. That's a fact. I'm a Long user myself, and I know it. But I use it because I like it, not because I wrongly assume it's great.
Their video is simply spreading knowledge, people do what they want of it afterwards.
It's better to play what you like because you like it while knowing it may not be the best, rather use it while wrongly assuming it's better than what it is.
@@tylercafe1260 The point is WHICH ARE META AND DO THE MOST DAMAGE on a purely, factual, mathematical level. What your favorite playstyle is doesn't fucking matter.
I use all forms of lance including swing. Because it’s FUN. ITS A VIDEOGAME
Texas Dice aggressive af for no reason
Do the 2xShell + QR is that bad? I don't see you mention about it.
It is totally godwaful
Not only is very low damage compared with shell shell poke shell in a spreadsheet but also you face extreme recoil from the shells that makes you having to hop forward very often.
A poke moves you forward and makes you stay on place, there is a bit of recoil in shell shell poke shell and none in shell poke shell poke shell.
The secret is that poke shell poke takes almost as much time as shell shell and you are throwing a poke between, that can deal from 10 to 90 damage depending your build and the hitzone.
What's with the shtoil thing?
Its a weird way to say style.
I think they thought that's what comedy was.
Sword and shield please
That's something they're going to not have fun with lmao especially with how they handled criticism and trolls in their last videos. SnS is all about the elemental typing for Max dps nothing too fancy just elemental peak performance. But by all means stretcch it out into a 15 min. Video.
I understand why you guys’ve been so hesitant on making these videos. Some people will never be satisfied. Instead of screaming at them like children maybe you should try and be descent and realize they can miss things. They put a shit ton of work in to make these videos and don’t need to if they don’t want to. So be fucking patient and respectful to people who are doing this for the love of a damn videogame.
Let people enjoy things!
Whelp, Long Shellers, you tried.
Wide Bois just de bestest bois.
I wish we had a guy like you making Gunlance videos for Rise/Sunbreak. Caoslayer has plagued the community with awful misinformation about how to play Gunlance "effectively" ((it's so fucking bad dude the guy had people saying Long Fullburst was stronger than Normal Fullburst))
I wonder if wyvern stake would be worth it if you could fast reload it.
And had a guard point lol
Long gunlances can also make use of the fullo bursto combo which is good for pumping downed monsters with bad hitzone values full of deeps.
Wide gunlances don't really have that option due to their sad little clip of 3 shells, poke shoot is all they are.
If there will ever be a long 4 gunlance that also has amazing physical stats, it'll eclipse all the other lances because it could do the most damaging gunlance combo as well as full shelling. The best of both worlds.
Great breakdown - hyper funny - keep up the great work !!!
are you guys going to upload gl dps sets
What does focus do on gunlance??
Help to quick charg chell for long gl
Niceee thanks!!
you could actually charge shell on 1st hit
*Cries in longshow gunlance* k, need to get a new gunlance
Wide still better than Long? Reality is much crueler than that for us bois.
@@Xero_Remains I'm actually making a bad joke here, and you're totally drowning it man.
5:50 .... I suddenly turn to my left
When the GUN on the GUNlance just makes it weaker.
THIS IS WHY LANCE IS KING.
Best option to maximise EFR after GL skills AND guard+3 ?
@Shasvin Puvanesvaran no stamina or knockback problem with guard 1 ?
Try to priorize Evade Extender over guard on most matchups.
The bane of wide gunlance is the lack of reach and evade extender just fixes that.
@@charlescirio guard works by some impact thresholds that every attack have. Guard serves to reduce the impact and attacks usually with guard 1 is enough to negate all impact on most attacks but the heaviest ones where usually guard 3 also get affected, so there are a lot of situations where guard 1 is virtually equal to guard 3.
Guard 5 is good for a very few monsters like jho, behemoth and kulve taroth that have common attacks where guard 3 gets pushed. In ATKT I consider guard 5 a must since trying to block the fire carpet with guard 3 gets your stammina sapped.
@@caoslayer thanks Man! Evade extender lvl2?
@@charlescirio preferably three, but whatever you have.
I like your Stoyle
extreme details but great thanks for the effort
Ah,Shit Here we go Again!
Does anyone have a good wide gl build for AT Nergi
@@Xero_Remains Thanks man AT Nergi will be back so i wanna be ready.
We just got hardcarried by a long gunlance user on AT Kushala. He had an easy time not only hitting him in the air with his Charged shells but also consistently knocking him out the sky for free big openings. Though quite a niche case I was very impressed and will try to copy his build.
Heyo it's back
FURU BARSTO
TBH : Im the long long long maaan gunlance man
this is so much fine video actually.
the Long type are suffering much but it saved by general defensive skills, like Earplug and Guard Up (not including iron wall skills)
BUT like you says it suffering more deep than hell, long time animation, need spesific skills (Focus 3), low HZV etc.
wide gunlance for me it wilder, it can up right your dps into highest but also can turned it down into lowest with small mistake you do in game.
why you calling it full bursto? im laughing so hard when you tried saying that thing in video....
Normal gunlance it kind of the balance of madness and tricky, if you has follow the trick you will be welcome into madness sharpness eater, if you wrong do the trick, you will be welcome into madness of correction and restarting the combo from the start again.
swing gunlance are best gunlance in the terms of non shelling (because its the only one, so its become the best), i cant anything about it since im having more hard time dealing with this swing type than the wide one which is feel more natural to me to use shelling, and poke even im got many wrong moves in there, maybe i`ll try again (place basara in here), tonight to learn more about the wide shelling and match up combination to make it better, since im tried runs meme build, but having fun at same time, like i dont care monster roar because earplug 5 its easy to pickup, and just spam the charged shelling
No need for earplugs when you can block. Also guard up isnt needed only a handfull require it.
Wide does everything better that long can do.
@@Dredgenicon im rellying only with guard up for some case monster like lunastra or teostra, but other wise im hardly blocking just using EE 3 it enough space to avoid their attacks, also with earplug its making long animation "safe" enough since they will be invulnerable too while roaring xD
@@himenaaa3565 you wouldnt need more safety if you just used wide instead of long
@@Dredgenicon yep, but still im having a hard time with wide maybe tonight will be learn again about wide gl
@@himenaaa3565 Happy hunting
Hold up...Cap Boost for Jho GL?
I guess he only changed the weapon to demonstrate the play stile, without changing the build
so what does nobody use atk boost for a shelling focused build? just me......huh
I like theory craft on this game, i like pro guys like you, who explain it with nice explanations, charts and pedagogy ! wp gg hf and thanks !
Soooooooo.
Gunlance, shield, pokey stick, EXPLOSIONS!
Use it like a club for optimal DPS with a VERY tedious and unsafe looping 2 strike combo.
OR
Hunt kluve beyond tedium and pray for a usable wide 4 RNG drop item. Then use it like a club anyways.
FML.
I hope iceborn fixed this.
Onwards with the videos I guess.
Charge blade pls
No builds :(
join the discord if you want the build right this moment, that way you also get access updated builds from older meta vids and future vids.
tfw meme is the new meta
wait 23 burst damage i do 61 damage ?
Depends on your shelling type
@@AeionEX lvl 7 shells
@@XicorVT wide norm or long?
@@AeionEX its the stygian weapon havent playd the game for so long now since Safi update
@@XicorVT yeah it's normal you'll have higher burst damage but Lower wrymstake and wrym fire
I've been playing gunlance recently, it's kinda boring imo. At least wide is, that's what I've been using (taroth buster water). Just poke shell xInfinity. Very effective, very easy. Not my style though.
Still didnt get long right. Oh boy.
What did he not get right? He literally framecounted moves and explained in the video why long is bad. How can you argue against numbers? The fun little gimmick people kept bringing up was the stagger, which got debunked in this video, now what? The range? That won't make long any more relevant in the META. Or Palico rally? Same thing.
Long is bad, but you're free to keep playing it if you enjoy it.
@@magnamalo7260 because monster are not training pole, Long GL can attack outside monster attack range, yes its lower deeps but long GL can do consistent damage in very safe range
@@gurta7101 Which ultimately doesn't matter as monster aggro works in a way that they always come close to you, or you can just lunge towards the monster and cancel it with a shell on wide. I'm open to be educated though, if you can show me a run where this is such a big advantage that it makes long better than wide, I'm open to change my mind. Though I doubt this range advantage would make this style any better.
@@magnamalo7260 Probably because you can start the flinch train faster.
@@magnamalo7260 its annoying how pure wide shelling always repositioning because monster is out of your attack range, while long shell can keep attacking, i am a fan of heavy weapon, my most used weapon are lance GL and HBG, with GL i have try every style, i know long shelling low dps but susprisingly its very comfortable and very easy to use, almost brain dead, long GL are niche weapon, fan use it not because of deeps but because its very easy and fun to use without much drawback
THE BOYS FINALLY DID IT
L4 forever.
I feel attacked for the way that long shell got treated in this video ):
In positive way, long GL can Behemoth's enmity easier than any other GL :D
hi
People coming into a math and dps calculation videos and argue about how you can/should sacrifice dps to gain whatever. Yeah you can, but that's not the point of this video.
Informative video. But repetitive irritating expression "fullo bursto". Stop trying to be cute.
Hey it's that bad kid! Sup pussy. You get good at MH yet?
He said it 1 time 🙄
@@BigWayneX 1 time? Lol
@@tazttyyy687 still proud of your non-tempered "speedruns"? Haha
*insert extremely distasteful comment here*
Oh you!
you cant pretend your attitude toward long gunlance wasnt derogatory. totally biased
In World, Long Gunlance is very much like Dragon Piercer and Crit Draw Great Sword. It's Mathematically inefficient. Play what you want, though. It's a game. It's meant to be fun. If you find Long GL fun, then play it.
@@JinJinxandTuna thank you for your amazing work. I will continue to use it because it's become my way of life. But thanks to you, I have started playing wide 4 as well. Which is noticably more damage, admittedly. My eyes are opened.
@@JinJinxandTuna now I need to know what's the best wide 4! The kulve R8 vs the R6??? (I think it's the elementless R8)
@@skylerdickson2939 Don't worry they hit a pole and it's totally not a bad way to judge DPS. It's not like elemental typings matter on matchups just Raw.
@@tylercafe1260 this response seems strangely facetious and sarcastic. anyway, there isnt an armory of elemental wide 4 choices friend. elementless/raw is sort of the best choice out of only a handful of blast options.
i wish gunlance didnt have different shelling types it just limits your playstyle
@@Xero_Remains without different shelling everything would be useful and long gunlance sucks
@@Xero_Remains i am used to it but it would still be great if we didnt have different shelling types and long gunlance is bad compared to other weapons and is boring
@@Xero_Remains I play long GL and agree with Jinx, it's not a good choice. If you like it, have fun with it, I still do, but mathematically it sucks.
The biggest problem I've been seeing is the over use of the training pole. It's Max dps on paper but not in practicality. Long boys still upset. So 2 videos in a row getting the same information wrong. Oh boy.
@@TheTexasDice You know what's funny is that aerial lance is technically better than anything they mentioned. So much for research xD
@@TheTexasDice Jinx and Tuna "We can make a complex armor simulator than no one asked for and forget anything against the title of our video!"