the iPhone 15 has a SERIOUS problem
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2023
- the iPhone 15 has a SERIOUS problem
The iPhone 15 just launched, and there's already a HUGE issue
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Wtf 😂😂 the ending is hilarious
NEVER 👏 SKIP 👏 AN 👏 FPT 👏 ENDING
@@FrontPageTech I never missed your show and your ending, this is coming from a Android user. I love your show and keep up the good work. Ps I do have a iPhone also, I love tech and don't care about being loyal to one brand. But it's true what your saying the normals don't care about specs like we do, they just care about a good and reliable phone.
This guy makes a lot of non sense to looks like intelligent. 150$ phone have 120hz/90hz example Xioami and Infinix and a fk1ng 800$ phone doesn't have it? U dvmb f4t4zz
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I just bought my iPhone 15 Pro Max!!
You are 100% correct on this. The influence of the tech community is huge when it comes to this and everyone doesn’t know about specs they just want a phone that works well.
You're right bro❤
IMO while he can be technically correct, it's still not a good take. Apple could've easily given non-pro models at least 90hz screens but ship them with 60hz by default, so all the grannies of the world could still enjoy their jittery 60hz and slightly better battery life, while people who care about fluidity (which i've always assumed are all the people with functioning eyes, but apparently not) at least had a middle ground option (90hz is not as good as 120hz in a vacuum, but it's still leagues better than 60, and due to how aggressive apple's implementation of adaptive refresh rate is, steady 90 wouldn't even be much worse overall) - a win-win for everyone (except apple). But of course they (apple) wouldn't do it, they are saving every dollar they can while simultaneously trying to upsell you on pros.
But the worst part is the more people defend them on this, the longer they can get away with underselling you, a consumer. It's always weird for me to see how people defend billion-trillion dollar corporations who screw them over (not only apple, but for some reason it happens the most with apple).
@@aadaaadasda9979irony is if Fandriods question just apple of it's breadcrumb behaviour then everyone would also support the argument but most L thing is android wannabe fans that have nothing else in life gets fixated to making non stop comments on normal people that buy a electronic product who never care for spec nerdy picky things as long device works.
It's almost gone to a level that Android Os device users stomp to a level that they care more about apple than their own handheld device. But when people make fun as brokeDriod or look at own phone first, then takes it as a insult to their wallet capacity. It's like in high school drama.
@@aadaaadasda9979bruh, people who care actually buy the pro. I have used 120hz and I honestly don’t really care about that in a phone right now (only care when it’s a pc monitor) Most people in iOS are there for the functionality of the of the ecosystem and that is enough. I know it sucks that you can’t convince people to care about something you seem so passionate about but that’s life🤷🏽♂️
apple sells the brand not the model.
Here's the thing though, charging a phone $800 (even more in Europe where I live in) that lacks a feature that you can find in $250 phones is simply not fair. If it was $600 then sure, you could say "well they have to cut some corners to get to that price and still offer an incredible chip, a great camera yada yada yada" . And I think if 120 Hz screens were more widespread within the average user market then I think more people would see the difference against 60 Hz.
If we go by this "average user won't care" narrative then surely we can say that the average user won't be able to tell the difference between the A17 and the A13 chips, just like they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between iPhone 15's camera and iPhone 11's camera, which means they don't need the latest and the greatest chip, or the best camera, or the best battery and so on. By this logic Apple would release the iPhone 3GS every year just with slightly updated internals and Samsung would still sell the Galaxy S2. And I would still be using a flip phone.
Yeah it's crazy that my $650 phone has waaay more features, better cameras, of course more freedom and customization because android. And ofc it has 120hz (AND higher ppi!)
I'll admit apple silicon is pretty damn good and exceeds anything found in an android phone to some extent, but the amount you sacrifice for that, both in features and high price, just isn't worth it.
This was really well done, this and the MKBHD video were great. The more lighthearted leak videos are fun to watch, but Jon's talent really shows with these more serious videos.
Thanks Jon, someone needed to say this. We in the tech community are sometimes so passionate about the specs and every new details that we forget that a lot of it doesn’t matter to the average consumer. I’ve experienced that first hand with my family, time and time again I would push the better phone because of things like the refresh rate. When all that explaining would do was confused them even more. There is a reason why the 15 exists and why Apple is so headstrong on 60hz on it.
You nailed it Jon. -- It's surprising, how did we get to a place where you're one of the few ACTUAL tech journalists around. You have credibility. Good work.
I disagree, it takes business and marketing knowledge to know what Jon mentions in this video. Tech guys probably don’t know the marketing aspect of Apple phones.
It’s as simple as Apple doesn’t care and makes more money doing it this way. Marketing blablabla nope, just when Apple cares about it then they’ll let it be known. But since they only talk to and for themselves, most features don’t matter and sell off the name
@@GH0STST4RSCR34Mthose ppl aren’t journalists and neither is Jon lol. They’re all just content creators my guy.
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@@che9357I disagree 😅
I really like when you have these videos in which you speak directly to the audience! These kind of wakeup calls are really good stuff, very well done Jon!
Sometimes Jon you really stick the landing. This video, my friend, is a freaking 10! Amazing and accurate analysis of a lot of the tech reviews we have seen this last week. And of course, we are all excited because we are waiting for our iPhones to arrive so we seek out videos to watch. Well said.
I absolutely love this. You’re 100% right. My girl didn’t even know what the 120hz meant. I got her the iPhone 15 Pro and the 15 Pro Max for myself. I had to literally hold her 13 next to her 15 Pro to show her the difference..: and guess what? She was happier about how excited I was about it than she cared about it for herself. Literally nobody cares: and for the ones that DO care, the Pro phone is for you.
lol, that's nice of you though
Same here, I helped my parents get the 13 base model last year. All they cared about was:
Does it do the smartphone thing (text, call, mobile games, video streaming)?
It it better than whatever iPhone they have now?
Does it last? (they keep each iPhone about 4 to 5 years)
The answer to each question was an obvious "yes", and my parents were super excited about their new phones.
Couldn’t say it better myself, it’s important to me but not to my wife. Actually I had almost the same situation with my wife as you described it 😭😂
cool parent
A lot of people don’t care about a lot of features that people in tech communities talk, neither they know about it ,a lot of my friends and families members don’t care about tech ,they only care about few things like what is the battery life like ,or the camera or if the phone will last but that’s about it .
Lately I feel that your non-leak videos are your best. Very insightful and thought provoking. Great stuff Jon.
You can literally buy a phone for $200+ that has 120hz...
So basically you're asking people to support shitty practices like getting last years chipsets for the same or even more amount of money than last year, or lower resolution screens for the same amount. "Because most people can't tell the difference" is the reason why companies need to be called out and why those uninformed customers need to know what they're overpaying for. Not a hard concept to grasp :D
For an avg consumer, iPhone 15 is iPhone 14 pro without third camera, at a very less price (at least in India). It’s definitely gonna be a hit.
Rightly said. And on top of that, I think when we compare the history of base iPhones, the iPhone 15 is truly a significant upgrade.
Except for 120hz
I phone 15 base model is cheapest in his segment if it comes to 65000
Is this how apple employees sell it to the customers?
@@azmavethtayanes1913I would never buy it, but I guess if the average consumer only makes calls, texts and occasionally shoots videos it doesn't matter
I don't agree with this at all. You could make the same argument about almost any feature added to phones in the past couple years, particularly the camera related ones. Just because customers don't recognize the difference immediately in the store, doesn't mean they won't grow to appreciate it down the road. It's about creating a better experience for the consumer, which they will appreciate in its totality even if they can't name the various technologies at play.
For comparison, it wouldn't be okay for LG to sell a brand new upper-midrange TV in 2023 without HDR, even though the average consumer doesn't know exactly what HDR is or how to recognize it. Most modern content still looks better on an HDR display, and it looks better to everyone - not in terms of a side to side comparison with a non-HDR version, but in terms of the impact a scene has on the viewer as it plays. It's a similar thing with screen refresh rate.
That just leaves the "Apple exists in a vacuum" argument, but again, that could apply to almost any feature. Why criticize the iPhone for not having fast charging when Apple isn't competing with faster charging phones? If anything, it should be the tech press's job to let consumers know what they're missing. Not to convert them to Android, but to hold Apple's feet to the fire, to force them to compete. Competition is better for everyone.
Exactly, why upgrade anything if the average consumer “doesn’t care”
The serious problem is that fan boys and fan girls put up with Apples crap.
One of the best genuine reviews I’ve ever read on here. So true. I’ve said before most RUclipsrs just zone in on the pro models forgetting the others. They’re living in a fantasy world thinking everyone can afford the pros
I agree to Jonn, for average people don't know what 60Hz is
Same, that’s why average people use iMessage instead of a real messages App 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
I'm glad you made this video. Tech content creators get trapped in their bubble and certainly cannot relate to most "everyday" consumers most of the time. Just this week, my mom asked me what was different between her 13 pro vs the new 15 pro, and I even with the changes I mentioned, she kind of had this "so what, why do I care about these changes" look about her. She really didn't even need the 13 pro she has now to be honest. Just reminds me that while I get really excited about new tech, most of the people around me couldn't care less about the incremental changes that Apple brings about with each release.
this is exactly where the whole "its just the same phone as last year" thing comes from, its because people literally dont care they just know its gonna be faster, a better camera, and a new software update with new features. The software update is the most exciting out of them and that says a lot.
You keep impressing me more with every video you make…. I love the honest critics and how you put your community in check. Best quote out of this video is “it is not your job to educate it is your job to translate” 🔥🔥🔥
THE ENDING 😂👏🏼 But seriously Jon, this might be the most relatable video you've made! Important points made very well, this is why I love this channel 🫶🏼 120Hz on the non pro models would make them very close to the pros
It’s “real talk with Jern.” Love it! Thank you for sharing this take. I agree with it. While there will be those who get the pro only for the Pro moniker, or because their cell provider was running a promotion, I know friends/family who couldn’t tell me what model they have. Mainly because their major concern is “does it do what I need it to do?” I follow the Apple News, but I’m also rocking a SE gen2, because at the time I got it, the flagship didn’t have enough going on for the price FOR ME. I’ve now eventually come around to being interested in possibly upgrading with the 15.
I have no idea how I feel about the sensible version of Jon Prosser.
i Just bought an iphone 15 plus after having an iphone 13 pro max. Tried to return it straight away, not even knowing about the 60 hz issue. It was so choppy compared to the 13. you can defiantly tell.
Bro you're right.
I can easily see the difference between the 60Hz & 120Hz like its quite noticeable. But when i showed it to my dad side by side ( even though he's a phone guy according to his generation) he didn't know what's the difference. I told him to see both the phones simultaneously, but still he couldn't find the refresh rates differnce😮
you wont spot it side by side, normal people will only notice going from high to low. I played games at 30 fps until I could play them at 60. 30 fps games are noticeably a worse experience. my laptop and phone both do 120 fps. i watch 60 fps youtube videos at 2x speed to watch them in 120 fps. now 60 fps is noticeably a worse experience (eg laptop battery
@@jonathanodude6660 120 hz is nice to have but the difference isn't as big as it is on a desktop. It is just a small feature that Apple should include at that price point.
Love it when you are serious Jern. This is the content that are the real gems. I only notice 120 hz on my iPad when handwriting. Almost never anywhere else
Same with 120hz on my Mac, it's nice when you compare side to side but any other day, it's literally just a battery drainage when it's on and maybe some eye candy when you actually notice it.
After switching to 120hz I got accustomed to it within minutes. It became the new normal.
When I picked up a 60hz phone again about a year later I legitimately thought it was broken. It took me a second to realize it was the 60hz refresh rate. The difference is huge in my view, but mainly when going backwards
120hz feels good but I agree, it’s only really noticeable side by side you forget about it day to day
Same
@@BC08 100% true
These ‘heart to heart” videos are amazing! Such a huge contrast to your regular content (which is great in itself - love the humor). Every time one of these drops it’s so refreshing to see!
Your understanding and honesty really earns respect from your viewers and me. Bravo!
You are right on the money. I love tech but I can't even see the difference from 60-120. My wife and family don't even know what that means. The general public doesn't even know what refresh rate is
I went from the s22 ultra to a base 15 and I can’t tell the difference either. Maybe that’s a good thing.
Thanks for this. I always remind people that absolutely zero people ever complained about iPhone screens not being smooth until two years ago and now it’s “I HAVE to have 120hz! 60hz is horrible! It’s unusable!”
i actually only gave apple a chance bc the iphone 13 pm had 120 hz. that was the only reason. but that’s just me.
First thing I did on my 13 pro was turn off 120hz. Complete and utter waste of battery.
Me to those people: Your phone doesn't even have 240hz? Wow, how do you even use it?
I've complained... to an extent... because I can't do shit to change the fact that my Xs was capped at 60 Hz. Maybe it's because I've used 144 Hz PC monitors for years, and my iPad has a 120Hz display... but I always thought that the scrolling and swiping across the home screen should be smoother. Getting the 15 Pro over the 15 was a no brainer for me solely due to the higher refresh rate... and I fucking love the higher refresh rate display. Night and day user experience.
thats because iphones didnt have it before then. android phones had it like 5 years before apple esp on higher end phones. now on the android side you can get a 120 hz screen for half the price of an iphone.
Couldn’t agree more. I told my friends to get the 13 Pro (When those phones first released) and said that to get them only because the base 13 had 60hz and it sucked.
We went to the store and when I held them side by side and scrolled through the web. The first initial reaction from them was “what are you talking about, I don’t see anything.” 10 minutes of trying to convince they still looked dumbfounded about wtf pro-motion meant.
Two of them ended up buying a base 13. The other got an iPhone 12 a month later.
i have 13 pro , too , for person who never saw the 120hz before they can't see the difference cuz our eyes are so used to 60hz screens. but now i can instantly see those jittery 60 hz scrolls on other phones. most people are not geeky as we think they are and this just encourage apple to make a fool out of their customers and delay basic features like AOD, USB-C, 5x Zoom, for almost 3 years.
I have the 13 and the animations are so smooth. But it's still needed at 90hz for the 15 or 16
@@NKHSPdumb 🐑 avoid iphone at any costs
60hz is very noticeable if you use a 120hz for a good amount of time. My iPhone 12pro gives me a headache it is so choppy when scrolling… then I use my S23 and it’s buttery smooth.
Ironically, this sort of communication dissonance is what we are taught to fight against at Apple. Is it self serving? Yeah, but it’s also counterintuitive in terms of upselling. Apple stores prioritize customer satisfaction, so they really pushed learning about people, and what things actually mattered to them.
That said some of my favorite conversations were when I actually got to compare other brands to iPhone/Mac. There were times when I would recommend a PC or Android, and help the customer spec it out on an iMac in store. It wasn’t a secret.
I remember being told by one of my managers that Apple isn’t for everyone, and it’s ok to land on that conclusion. If that’s the case, help them to the extent you can. They’ll leave happy that they came in, they’ll have some trust in the brand and “our people”, and they’ll come back to see YOU.
100% this. There’s a reason why the Apple stores are always so packed. Yes, a lot of it has to do with how much people gravitate towards Apple’s products, but another aspect is the people working there. If Apple had terrible customer service, there wouldn’t be a demand for brick and mortar stores, and everything would be sold online. But the people working at Apple are passionate about the products and want to share their knowledge with others.
Here's the thing. It's more about the difference between 120Hz and 60Hz. Once you feel the high refresh rate, you can't go back to a lower one without noticing the sluggishness. I completely agree that the target audience of the regular iPhones don't really care about 60Hz or 120Hz, and to Apple as a business, if that cuts costs, it works just as well. Though I'd say it's Pro - customer to include 90Hz or 120Hz to the base iPhone so the the non-tech-savvy ones can feel the joy that we experience from scrolling as well. It's worth noting that it's the Pro iPhone that sells the most according to your data. Overall, well-made and credible content from Jern as usual.
I agree. I use 120+Hz for my phones and PC monitors. Switching back to 60Hz feels so stutter-ish it even feels a bit uncomfortable. So for some users, refresh rate is still an important aspect for a valid reason. But yeah, no need to get so mad at one single spec. And also, if you expect a phone company to put all the state-of-the-art hardware in their Pro line-up you probably shouldn't buy from Apple
Yep they will notice the difference and probably hate it. That's the problem. Then you realize the solution is that after about 1- 2 weeks they quite literally will never notice or care about this problem ever again, and if it's that big a deal just *BUY A DIFFERENT PHONE*.
Jern is 100% correct. As a techie I chase the latest specs and benchmarks and assumed that the entire world cared as well. Then I spent a day at an Apple Store just hanging out and listening to consumers talking. They cared about color, size, weight, price, whether it's in stock. I listened while one customer asked about the difference between an Intel MacBook and M1. After learning the benefits of Apple silicon the customer shrugged and bought the Intel MacBook because the M1 wasn't in stock until tomorrow and they didn't want to waste time driving back to the store. Not only do customers not care about Geekbench they couldn't even care less about the CPU at all. They don't ask about wifi specs, USB speeds, SSD performance, and certainly not screen refresh rates. It's one thing mention specs but entirely different when you frame it as a scandal to try to get clicks. In addition to the noise about 60hz we also had "USB gate" where the iPhone 15 USB speed was intentionally crippled even though A16 doesn't support USB 3.0.
It's because who use apple are the same people who took that shot. There all cattle and going to get slowly punished. It's just Linux repackaged. People think Apple is smart but there not. If Steve Job was alive Holy I miss the wars. Everything is flat today no new wars to fight over its like every tech company push out the same thing slightly different. What's funny why do people care about color? Then put a case over it... 😂 Braindead people I say.... if your a techie today it doesn't mean nothing but you like over price garbage that they push.
I agree 100%. I’m guilty of it too. I’m just a guy who enjoys the tech. I try to explain to my wife, but she’ll have none of it. “Just get me an iPhone with plenty of space for pics." Another example; I took my iPhone 14 PM back from my son and handed him my 13 because he was not listening to me for some teenage reason or another. Didn’t phase him. He was actually happy to have a smaller phone. Guess that punishment didn’t work!😂
damn your son is lucky to have an iPhone 13 either way
@@DowneyMaxfr like I had to buy my own phone. I had a shitty huawei lol
I was not expecting you of all people to get this deep. Respect
Remember Tim Cook was always a salesperson since day 1.😅
Thanks so much for talking about this. Coming from the 11 I've been pretty set on getting the 15 Plus as my new phone and have obviously been doing my research on all of the specs and watching reviews. The topic of the 60Hz vs 120Hz came up in a video and they were basically saying an iPhone in this day and age without 120Hz is "criminal" and that had me questioning the choice to get the 15 if I wanna keep it for as long as possible. Then after watching more videos and actually thinking about it, I have NEVER given even a passing thought to the refresh rate of my phone's screen, and don't think it would even cross my mind in the future. It's then that I realised it's a pretty baseless criticism for regular people like me, and that I'll get the 15 Plus anyway
I have a 13pro and I never notice the refresh rate.
I honestly don’t care about it anyway.
Yeah, I have watched videos with speed tests of all phone models and there is a second difference at most from my XS Max and I would not even notice that second or care about it. In fact, in some things, like loading a game, that second is when I take a sip of my drink.
@yaboimax It really is criminal, basic tech withheld for marketing protocols, they could make as variable refresh rate to minimise extra battery drain, but one could lower the display brightness to do the same, having the option is the nice point. To be honest it doesn't bother me, but I would rather have a smoother scroll.
I have an XR & 11, imo for regular folks who upgrade every few years it doesn’t matter if it’s 60 hz. The overall upgrade from 10/11 will be awesome. TVM Jon. Best wishes from Adelaide; South Australia🇦🇺💐
I dig the evolution of your channel. I think the changes you mentioned you were going to lean into in the podcast for the coming season works and needed more of in the tech space.
Excellent way of putting it, Jon. Before watching I even told my mom that she should probably get the regular 15 Plus over the Pro Max. I said really the only difference is titanium and promotion. I showed her promotion and she said she wouldn't care. I personally can't do without 90+Hz, once I have smooth display, always want smooth display. But someone like my mom doesn't care.
"I personally can't do without 90+Hz, once I have smooth display, always want smooth display."
Wtf are doing on your phone where 90+hz makes a difference?!??
@@TurboXray swiping my Home Screen and scrolling apps/web pages. All of that looks much smoother on a high refresh screen. Not everything over 60Hz has to be so for gaming.
@@lieutent2654Which is probably the most ridiculous thing ever. Since when ever did scrolling a webpage at 120hz become a priority? or even a desire. And now a requirement? People have literally lost their ever loving minds haha
My main device for the past 6 months has been the iPhone 13 Pro. I still use my old iPhone XS daily on WiFi at home. While it always feels strange going back to 60hz, It never once felt off when my iPhone XS was my primary phone. In fact, I preferred using my iPhone XS for gaming even though I also had an android phone with 120hz. The experience felt smoother and better on iPhone. The average consumer doesn’t know or care about 120hz displays.
Here’s the thing, Apple doesn’t care and most of their customers who actually buy the phone couldn’t care less.
Love that you can step back and look at tech like a real person with tech knowledge rather than a Tech-Guy. I appreciate that.
Perfect Jon, you hit the nail on the head. This was a great piece.
And you know what? I do care about 120 Hz, I even care about 144, 165 and 240 Hz. On my Gaming Monitor, where I can feel the difference.
But on my phone? No. Because even I, as an IT engineer, don't use my phone like a pro. I do normal people stuff. Cell and WiFi reception, battery, cameras, storage, software updates, build quality, colour accuracy, screen brightness, even the USB-C transfer speed... almost everything else comes before refresh rate for me. A high refresh rate is the last thing I do care about.
And I, like almost everyone else, am used to looking at 60 Hz monitors. My Laptop monitor? 60 Hz. My non-gaming desktop monitors? 60 Hz. My TV? 60 Hz. If you are using a 120 Hz phone or more right now and think you can't life without: Force the refresh rate down to 60 Hz (if possible) and let it sit there for a week. I'll bet you won't be able to tell the difference anymore after one week, unless you turn it up again or have a direct comparison.
Jon as always on top of things! Thanks man for smashing all those „social media tech analysts“ into oblivion. Fantastic Video 🎉❤
Users switching from a phone with a standard 60Hz refresh rate to 120Hz will immediately notice the difference. Vertically scrolling in apps like Twitter and Instagram will be noticeably faster and smoother, while animations will also appear more seamless.
Same
Thing is, you forgot about it after 1 week. Even worse, if you get used to it, it became meaningless. This is why I’m purposely use 60hz on everything so that I can enjoy 4k120 OLED gaming to the max.
No one is saying that 120 isn’t better than 60 but 95% of people will NOT care. If you do care get the pro that’s it. If you want the 15 to have all the same specs as the Pro then there will be ONLY two phones. Tons of people want a cheaper phone, this is how you get a cheaper phone.
@@jasona.2044 listen here Jason, you’re absolutely categorically correct.
Yep they will notice the difference and probably hate it. That's the problem. Then you realize the solution is that after about 1- 2 weeks they quite literally will never notice or care about this problem ever again, and if it's that big a deal just *BUY A DIFFERENT PHONE*.
this is one of the reasons why you're one of my favorite tech reviewers here on youtube... you always make sense...
I got an email yesterday that my iPhone 15 PM’s shipped with a tracking number, but there’s no details when I track it yet. I’m hoping they show up tomorrow or at the least a delivery date!
Just wondering, which new 15 is the best user experience?
I have a 12 Pro Max and am looking forward to picking up my 15 Pro Max sometime this week, but have used my wife’s 13 Pro Max and while I can feel the difference, I have no problems with 60Hz. It’s served me well for the past whenever iPhones got 60Hz screens and I probably would have been fine with it going forward. If the non-Pro models don’t get higher refresh rates in the near future, I’m not gonna die on that hill.
I will very much die for a Pro mini, though.
good luck with the 2-hour battery life of a pro mini. 😅 check mrwhosetheboss’s latest iphone battery comparison, the iphone 15 pro’s battery life is ass compared to the regular one.
@@TheYearOfJerome You’re not wrong, but while I appreciate the max/plus form factor, I’m willing to trade battery life for something I can hold in my hand. Apple’s already training us to wear a battery on our waist for the Vision Pro, right?
This just proves that the people who judge Prosser solely on his comedy skits are not grasping the point. John has his finger on the dial. This proves he is incredibly well spoken and exhibits a grounded perspective of global markets. Honestly reminds me of Stephen Colbert or something. Highkey intuitive and clearly knowledgeable.
All was great until the Colbert drop, must have a Motorola.
Couldn’t agree with you more.
Probably the best video I’ve seen from this channel. Awesome down-to-earth mindset that has a lot of carry over to every day life. Also appreciate your natural comedic twist on it. 🤙🏻
Great video… spot on! The many teenagers out there wanting and begging their parents for the newest iPhone upgrade don’t know and probably don’t care what 60Hz is. I know my teenage daughters don’t. All they care about is ooooooo new shiny pretty colored phone 😂 and let’s be honest it’s the more budget friendly option specially when you can get them for freezies with a trade in at your cell phone carrier.
Jon, you're absolutely right. This video has elevated you, in my eyes, to becoming The techtuber who actually understands people. Now I understand why your videos are never dull and dry.
I discovered you accidentally, your humor grabbed me from the first video so I've been watching since, but this video was truly great for so many other reasons. Thank you!
Right on the money as always Jon! Loved the phrase you have to understand people before tech! You can imagine that is exactly what they say inside Apple and it’s why they have built what they have and shows you understand them as a company way more than a lot of other tech RUclipsrs out there! Keep making these videos! ❤️
If they choose to not give the base model the premium features then take away the premium price tag, that's understanding people. Everyone wants a cheaper phone
You are right. That's why when Samsung promoted the flip, they changed strategies. They focused on being hip and the ability of the screen to fold (which no iphone can, so far). Who cares about the refresh rates, the megapixels?! Most people just want something that works and works well for them. Most newer high end phones are similar when it comes to how things work. So they stay with whatever that has worked for them, unless there is a super compelling reason to switch, for example, folding screen. I do know that some people switched because of the flip.
Who cares? Yeh when you cant have something its " nonsense"
Why the iphone has more pixels than HD if it doesnt care?
I just got my 15 pro today coming from iPhone 11. So this is my first 120hz phone. It definitely feels good and love the smoothness. But I lived with 60hz for ages and was perfectly fine, and if you’re not looking for it I don’t even notice half the time. It’s the same thing with video game community as well obsessing over frame rate. If it is only 30fps that’s bad, even if it’s a game that has no need for higher frames. Essentially, us techies are prudes about certain things lol. But not always a bad thing. I think it does push companies to really make a good product. And everyone has their hobby or interest that they care more about than others. Ridiculing others for not being as interested in what you like though is ridiculous. Happy 15 launch day folks!
I’m also a iPhone 11 user and I’m waiting for my 15 pro to arrive, would you say it was worth the upgrade?
refresh rate on a phone is kinda meaningless when comparing to PC gaming, where you can get an actual advantage when playing an FPS for example.
120 hz on a phone is just a luxury, it doesnt affect anything, its just makes the experience more smooth, the average person wont even tell the difference
Now that your eyes see it you could never go back and want to use another 60hz display ever again
No not true. Even when playing a game on a 120 hz screen, I intentionally opt for 30 fps so that I can get more gaming time on a battery charge.
I agree except for the gaming part a 120 plus fps on gaming pc/console vs 60 or lower is definitely noticeable
Honestly, this took courage to say and was spot on. You have 100% earned my respect.
A RUclipsr that actually speaks sense 100% agree most people don’t even notice the differences with refresh rate
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Agreed ,
The 60 hz thing is a load of nonsense, I have a 14 pm 120 hz and 12 pm 60 hz , and if the 12 pro max is next to me , I’m just as happy to pick it up and use it and for 99.9 % of use I can barely even tell the difference.
It’s just a non issue.
I’m far more annoyed I don’t get a Bloody charger in the box , I no longer have a 3.5 mm headphone jack , yes many of us still use those!
Are you kidding? I tested the 14 and the 14 pro side by side, and the difference was huge. It was very straining for the eyes to read text while scrolling with only 60 hz, and it was crisp with the 14 Pro. So it’s not only that the scrolling is much smoother, but the text stays more readable while scrolling. Much more readable.
@@erikwestre7970but is that a deal breaker to someone who doesn’t have it no they would not notice or care
So because YOU don't notice the difference means it's fine? lol ok
@erikwestre7970 Of course 120 and 60hz can be differentiated easily. It's just that for some 60hz isn't that bad.
@@xyz-ml9ffit means that most people don’t care even if you show them the difference,that’s not the main priority of most people when it comes to buy a phone ,60hz is good enough for most people as their eyes will adjust to that ,hence why the base iPhones models always sell a lot because most people don’t care about the pro features that iPhone get .
the difference between 60 and 120 is hard enough to notice that virtually every one on youtube who claims otherwise shows them side by side in slow motion. as someone who uses a laptop with 120 and iPhone with 60, i never felt like the screen refresh rate was too slow or anything. and i should notice, since i play a few rhythm games. rather, the phone screen feels just as responsive. sometimes even more so (probably because of the smaller screen size)
dude 60hz vs 120hz is actually a very noticeable and significant difference...
…to you
Loved this, and it really needed to be said! It has the vibe of Morpheus (Jern) asking Neo (All nerds) “You think that’s air you’re breathing?” 😂
Refresh rate is really the only meaningful way to make these phones “feel” different these days in a side by side comparison, and most people (that aren’t us) won’t care enough about it to spend the extra cash.
This is probably the best video you have done. It was very down to earth and spoke to how the viewers that you serve deserve honesty and directness. The idea of “never cry wolf” came to mind when viewing this. Thanks for this heart felt and honest video post.
You smoking the same crack as Jon?! 🤣
Samsung did finally admit in a report that they believe Apple had the right strategy the whole time.
About what? 120hz?
Fantastic video. I 100% agree. I do this everyday day with the people I work with who aren’t techies like myself. Keep up the great work.
I have been saying this for years, but most techies like (of which I am a techie) brush it off. They demonize apples and glorify Android forgetting they are putting a phone against a software with many phones. To top it all off, they can’t seem to think both phones have merits and downfalls, every critique no matter how little must be a fatal wound for Apple. It’s nuts.
I'm sorry but this logic is really bad. Of course 120hz is not a deal breaker and the average user won't care about it, but if I watch a tech reviewer I want him to tell me that I'm paying a premium and not getting the best technology available. It definitely is the job of a reviewer to educate his audience about the product he is reviewing so you can have an informed decision about what you are buying. By your logic it would be useless to review the new iphone cause the market says it's so good you should just go out and buy it..
Nuh uh it’s about how reviewers make it such a big deal when really it’s just an spec more
This is the greatest video I watched from you so far, by a lot. Thank you for saying these things out loud.
These breaks from comedy bring something fresh to this channel! It’s like our cool friend who makes us laugh but then you realise this friend has feelings. 😅
this video is so true, sad, honest, and deserving. alot of regulars or non tech americans do feel and think like what jon just said. thank you jon for being so serious and truthful. keep up the great work man, love you and sam contents.
Now you, sir, are exactly right. The average person doesn't care one bit about 60, 90 vs 120 hz. So people out there get a phone and what works for you. Some you tubers will try to tell you what their preferences are. So be careful
You havr never made a market study to know what the average users wants
You only say that so apple doesnt look bad
The problem is that 120hz eats a hole lot of battery. I have the s23 ultra and i like the 60hz because i want the battery to last a longer
Absolute facts, my non-technical friends can’t even tell the difference between 60/120Hz
Great video. I’d also like to point out that the lower spec screen is actually a feature for some people because the screen is much cheaper to replace if it breaks than the Samsung or Pixel screens. Even for the iPhone 14, from the repair shop I work at, the Apple screen is about $250 and third party screens are about $180 for OLED and $140 for LED. Meanwhile, the baseline S23 screen (Which breaks much easier due to the rounded edges) is $350-$400 depending on the color of the phone since Samsung can never restock their parts.
This was a deeply moving video and a reason why I enjoy watching this channel. Thank you for all you do and I already know you will keep doing great work. I’ll be showing this to my friends.
Love these types of videos from you, and love the ending of this one😂
Totally agree. In fact, been using 13promax for almost 2yrs now, and always kept it on battery saving mode so i dont really use that promotion thing haha
The base iPhone 15 has the 14 pro chip. 75 hrz would have been ok.
*It’s either these two arguments to defend or “bash” Apple for having 60Hz iPhones:*
60Hz is unacceptable!
The average consumer doesn’t care!
I thought I cared until I actually had it, and it was noticable and cool, but I always ended up turning it off to save battery (on a galaxy s22 anyway). There were times though I thought it was on and still loved my phone only to find out later on that it wasn't even on lol
tbh honest the real serious problem with iphone 15 is not the 60 hz display
but with the iphone 15 pro max how it breaks so easily, that is a serious issue
Moved past “it’s only 60Hz” to “when I hammer it for an hour with a max-usage benchmark test, it gets hot”.
How much did Apple pay you?
Nothing. He's spitting facts. Me, the average user, didnt notice about the 60hz untill someone told me and put their phone side to side to mine.
As a hybrid tech nerd/regular person, I agree. I’ve only had iPhones the last decade. Currently holding onto my iPhone 12 mini for dear life. I know about the specs and watch the reviews. I’ve never had a 120hz screen. Not a problem. Even the usb c thing was stupid. I travel with my iPhone, AirPods, apple watch and chrome cast. Usb c was not something I was dying to have. For why?? I’m glad you get it ❤️
I agree 100. I went from a 13pro max to base model 15. Phone is lighter, more comfortable for me. Majority of times i do not tell difference between 120 hz and 60 hz. IPhone 15 is solid and good enough for me
You're just the type of customer apple is looking for.
I don't know what to feel about this video. Sure, people don't care or are ignorant of refresh rates of displays. Apple is taking advantage of exactly this. If this isn't exploiting the unaware, idk what is. Tech influencers like you & many others should actually be making people aware of this exploitation. It isn't about being a tech nerd or something. Apple users seem to completely turn a blind eye for whatever it does and defend it as if their lives depended on it. The intention of this comment is not to throw shade at Apple or it's users, but to attempt to open their eyes to what injustice is happening. iOS is awesome, but don't turn a blind eye to the wrongdoings.
But never mind, after watching this video, I'm pretty sure this comment will get lost in the crowd.
100% on point. I’m a regular consumer who really loves tech. Still rocking an iPhone 12 mini. I’ve been in store and used the 120hz displays. On the phones and the laptops. The vast majority of regular users would never notice the difference.
yeah, i'm on 13 mini........ small compact and cute device
They absolutely will. But they don't care if they only have 60hz.
The point is not that the "aVeRaGe CoNzUmer" doesn't care or doesn't notice, the point is that for the price this phone is, it should just have this feature by default and the people who pay for it deserve it regardless of if they use it or not. It's not a Pro feature or an advanced user feature, if it can exist on a $200 Android then it can exist on an $800 iPhone.
I had Android from gingerbread to oreo and bought a new phone every year ending with the og Pixel XL. The software crapped out 13 months in. Google wouldn't replace it so I went looking for a new phone. Nothing stood out but the iPhone X. 7 yrs later I still have it. Don't regret the switch. Ironically this is the first tech video I've watched in yrs. No need to worry about the next best thing when I'm good with what I have. Thank you Jon
Wether someone will notice the feature or not it should be in the phone due to how expensive it is and the fact that mid range android phones can ship with a 90-120hz panel. Apple clearly loves 120hz or they wouldn't have named it "Pro Motion"
Apple really giving it a fancy name when in reality it is just refresh rate
Way to make his point
@@mjsabie8517 I'm not fanboying here I own a Samsung phone and an iPad. + MacBook. Have had many iPhones in the past but I'm just being honest I do feel that for the price of the iPhone limiting stuff like frame rates in 2023 is a bit mad when they are so far ahead they don't need to do that. The new pro iPhone looks decent but I'm more looking forward to what Apple can do with a foldable.
Careful, you may wake some sheep.
100% Agree Jon. I am the only person among my family, friends and co-workers that has a Pro iPhone, and 95% of them own iPhones. I have to explain what a 120hz refresh rate is to them and why it’s important. THEY DO NOT CARE. It is literally the last thing on their mind when they’re buying a phone. For people like myself and many other tech enthusiasts, it’s important and we love having it and that’s why we have the Pro models, we have an option for it. Now do I think it seems ridiculous to have a $800 and $900 starting price for phones that don’t have a high refresh rate? Kind of. Does it negate all of the great things the base model has this year? Absolutely not. Average consumers focus on, the look and feel of the device, the user interface, the screen, the cameras, and the battery life. In fact one thing average consumers seem pissed about is the removal of the lightning port and replacing it with USB C, and that’s something we as a tech community have been begging to happen, so that alone shows you the disconnect. My sister-in-law went on a rant about them removing lightning for USB C and I had to explain why they did it and why it needed to happen. For them it’s an annoyance, especially for those who will have a mixture of lightning and USB C devices now, but it will work itself out in the end.
Billions of smartphone users over the past decade have never had an issue with 60Hz refresh. Suddenly, in the last couple of years, it's a problem???
I'm not an Android fanboy, I own both Android and Apple phones/products, but I find it amusing how 120hz was seen as a gimmick and unnecessary by Apple fanboys when Android first had it, but when Apple finally implemented it on their phones, now it's such a big deal for Apple users to make a fuss about it for situations like this. Funny how quickly people flip-flop and change their tune like that.
You nailed it with this video. Respect to the Samsung fans, but you couldn’t pay me to use one, been there tried that. I love the simplicity of iOS, and the seamless integration of all my, and my families and friends devices on the Apple ecosystem.
iOS is not simpler or easier to use. You're just more familiar and comfortable with it.
For the record, I've only owned Samsung smartphones, my first one being the fascinate which came out in 2010. Switched from the S10+ to the 23 Ultra this year, and the experience with the Ultra so far has been great overall. But in this world I think if you subscribe to a certain viewpoint or ideology, the best way to test it is to challenge your views and see how the other side lives. You either galvanize your point of view, or you change it. That being said, I would like to think that I'm not so much of a Samsung fanboy that if someone was willing to let me use the new 15 pro max for 30 days i would take them up on that offer. My sister switched to IOS from android several years ago and she has never looked back. I would be interested in seeing how the two are similar and how they are different. But I certainly don't have enough cash lying around to buy 2 premium flagship phones in the same year.
@@emadahmed7145 Wrong. I wouldn’t say it was if I didn’t actually know. I had to use android for work for a couple years. It was a nightmare.
Just love it when jern gets serious and puts people in their place.
Thank you ! 😅
With your mindset it makes you wonder why bother with any technical advances at all.....
I don't make a hbit of commenting Jon, but this style of talking head to camera, clean journalism, works so well for you and shows the real talent. I get that the laughs pays the bills, but this was great.
You are damn on point. Normal people don’t care about that 60hz display. Its the silly tech community who wants the views and attention blow this up and make a news out of it. I had non pro for years with 60hz and now own 120hz iPhone 14 Pro and please difference is not that big at all. So now for tech people and Apple haters I am a dumb 😅 😆
How many normal people have you talked to? Your dog maybe?