Beerus Vs Gogeta and Vegito Blue Fusion Isn't Close
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
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Beerus is still the strongest, even stronger than Black Frieza and Ultra Instinct Goku. But is he stronger than Vegito Blue and Gogeta Blue? Due to a poll done on my community tab here is the vs battle you requested. But is it all as it seems?
The new arc of DBS Manga has begun, are the likes of Gohan Beast, Ultra Ego Vegeta, Orange Piccolo and Legendary Super Saiyan close to Beerus the god of destruction.
Beerus Vs Ultra Fusion?
Your Thoughts?
The Ancient GoD ONE-SHOTS him easier than he one-shots Black Frieza. Who, by the way, is ALSO capable of one-shotting a current (post 3 years of training) UI/UE Gogeta / Vegito…
Fusion is overhyped.
A 1 year non-stop meditation training for Goku and Vegeta will be infinitely better and more effective against someone like Black Frieza…
But it would probably take at least 10 years of such mental training in order for them to become strong enough to take out Black Frieza… (Individually ofcourse!)
@@JamesSmith-gp7lg that shit's angel level and you can't convince me otherwise.
Ultra Fusion easily
Gogeta or vegito would win
Ultra fusion would eat beerus like goku eats food.
“ahhh thank you for this fight vegoka, i haven’t had to use 13% of my power in eons”
Haven't used 13% of my power since the heian era head ahh
what a moving goalpoat, honestly
He's been training for millions of years, you think you'd beat something like so easily?
I swear db fans are all about but can he beat goku? @@biohazardbin
@@Mahlak_Mriuani_AnatmanNowhere was it ever stated that Beerus actually trained for “millions” of years,we know he has lived for that long and of course he logically trained a crazy amount of time but we are inclined to believe he most likely slept and ate food for 95% of that “millions”.
Beerus is as strong as the plot needs him to be
That goes for any character
Beerus is a moving goal post, the very definition of it
Let's be real, Frieza can fuse with Gogeta and it would still be less than Beerus
😂😂😂 beerus is at the top 🔝
Does anyone notice how when Vegito is stated to rival Beerus by shin, everyone says Shin is unreliable, but when he says Jiren's power is different(Not even stronger necessarily) than anyone they faced before, everyone accepts this and uses it to say suppressed Jiren is stronger than corrupted Zamasu and Vegito? Even Corrupted Zamasu in the anime is underrated. People forget he has Goku Black's Zenkais.
Except corrupted Zamasu or even just merged Zamasu never got a zenkai after his fusion. The immortality was his triumph card in the end.
Because there are contradictions between Toriyama, Toyotaro, and Toei. Toriyama did not want fusion in the arc
Beerus couldn't destroy immortal
Fusion basically screwed up power scaling. Toriyama did not want it in Zamasu arc. Vegito had to arrive and leave without contradicting Toriyama's outline
Not exactly the same, though. Ahin has never sensed beerus' full power, that's why it's unreliable. He's reliable with Jiren because he has seen the full power of all the people they fought against before.
Beerus destroys both Gogeta and Vegito blue combined.
Beerus explained how his godly technique works to Vegeta, he keeps increasing in power the more he thinks about destruction ( which he always is ) this makes any past comparisons to him useless. This is why Beerus called PSSB "a mere powerup" and that simple powerups can't reach his level ( also settles the debate on Blue Fusion vs Beerus )
Fusion was deemed useless against Moro 73 due to forced spirit fission, forced spirit fission needs to DAMAGE your opponent in order to work. Moro 73 can use forced spirit fission on Vegito/Gogeta blue therefore he can damage them. Moro 73 couldn't Damage perfected UI Goku. This implies moro arc PUI > Blue fusion.
Beerus scales above black frieza going by VJump so he ONE shots both TUI Goku and UE Vegeta both of which absolutely destroy moro arc PUI Goku.
Since the TOP arc we knew that simple powerups can't reach Beerus level this is why UI and UE are needed since they allow the user to continuously grow stronger in battle. Only when Goku and Vegeta truly master their godly techniques with no weaknesses do they become Beerus's rivals.
Beerus’s scaling has been all over the place since super began. The 7 10 15 scale from 2013 then beerus using 10% of his power vs rage vegeta. Then beerus sweating when Goku fought hit with ssbkx10. Then vegetto stated by Shin to be maybe stronger than beerus. Then Broly might be stronger than him from that statement from the movie. Jiren being above the gods of destruction as explained by vermouth. I know I’m jumping between manga and anime but like did this guy use a practically 0% of his power vs ssg goku?
cuz hes a moving goalpost unlike what Revolushane says
With each passing arc, BOG just looks more ridiculous from Beerus' pov.
@@octosluthe's not wrong and beerus isn't a moving goalpost
@@spritvio639Faxs like SSG is useless 😂
He was never all over the place. He was the strongest from the get-go. You powerscalers are the ones who keep obsessing over this and get upset when we get confirmation once again that he is the strongest.
Beerus is at the top and it’s not even close. That’s why he isn’t bothered by any of this and still just lays around eating and sleeping all day. He would 1 shot everyone still
Finally somebody who knows , and I wouldn’t say beerus is a moving or standing goal posts , for all we know beerus and whis train still . But if beerus isn’t training then the gap in power is vast due to the millions of years that beerus has existed
According to the writer himself you are wrong
@@rockmanfan5104 what the says does not matter if he can't remember half the shit he writes and power scaling is inconsistent, the actions in the story will always have the final say.
@@CeeXXL if the powerscaling is inconsistent, then the story doesn't matter because it won't make sense.
@biohazardbin Hey man, I'm not arguing what you said is facts, dragonball (besides Z) has always sounded amazing on paper, but its execution is disappointing most times. Hopefully, we get a GT reboot after super.
A video I think would be interesting is something comparing the "super hero" type characters and ranking them from weakest to strongest in either continuity. So you'd have like, Future Trunks (I can only imagine how drastically different his ranking would be between the anime and manga versions), the Pride Troopers, the Gammas, etc.
Or the same sort of idea but with saiyans in general vs a specific aesthetic of character.
I don’t think power output matters. I think Beerus is literally capable of fighting longer than everyone else, plus his immortality. Let’s look at Belmond’s and Jiren’s situation. Jiren doesn’t need God Ki to match Belmond. His energy is so refined and under control that he can take anything a God Of Destruction can put out. Mortals can land blows on Gods of destruction(Vegeta’s rage boost against Beerus and Goku after he dropped from ssg), but what matters is ki potency, technique and focus. There are many examples of mortal ki rivaling and surpassing God ki, but as far as destroyers go, Jiren was hinted to be the strongest mortal that surpassed a G.O.D.
Vegito and Gogeta could probably rival Beerus in might, but to completely surpass him, they’d have to endure an onslaught of destructive energy and have enough power to stay in the fight. When fusions hit their very limit, they defuse, much like how when a regular fighter uses 100% power and effort, they eventually decline. They would need to be in a stable form that can endure a destroyer’s power and maintain the advantage until their opponent gives up. That’s something Goku and Vegeta would have to decide before fusing.
Beerus would smoke gotta.
If you don't think that the Blue Fusion are above Beerus, I can't really see how you can say Beerus isn't a moving goal post at that point.
From everything we have of Vegito Blue, he's said to at least rival Beerus in the Goku Black arc. Gogeta was also dogwalking someone "Probably" on Beerus' level.
If those aren't true and Beerus is actually written to really be stronger at a later point....
Beerus is little strong than ssb vegito
Nope, You must be one of the hyping Vegito Blue fans out there.
Beerus wasn't moving post goal if you ever read G.O.D Tournament.
Black Frieza will also ragdoll Vegito Blue at ease. Ego Vegeta and Goku currently far stronger. They didn't even think they surpass Beerus while training them.
Beerus train Vegeta is a partial link how strong Beerus is.
Beerus is definitely a moving goal post . If vegtio ssb was equal to beerus 7 arcs ago , then at this point vegtio should be a little under an angel in terms of power.. there isn’t no way you can’t say if vegtio were to appear he would be near an angel level but probably below.
@@GuyVick No it wasn't, Vegito Blue never surpass Beerus.
It just all hype and Vegito Fan are massive and they're a lot of fan made Vegito beat Beerus. Sheesh😌☕
Vegeta and Goku far stronger as ever been but neither of the manga , Goku & Ego Vegeta didn't even dare to fight Beerus and Beerus train Ego Vegeta that's a hint how partial power of what Beerus could do. Even Vegeta perfect his Power? It doesn't do jack against Beerus, The one who already knew about it for past thousands or million of years.
Oracle fish even mentioned who never miss a prophecy that it will took several decades to just rival Beerus.
@@princekievargas220 I said at this point vegtio should surpass him, beerus is the moving goal post it’s very obvious, vegtio power is really a big deal … yall underestimate the fusion… and stop talking like vegeta and goku are just vegtio , they’re separate entities… every time goku and vegeta gets stronger.. individual because he has goku and vegeta essence as one being… the black arc was 7 arcs ago plus , goku and vegeta surpassed vegtio blue in the tournament separately.. and they’ve even got massively since that tournament.. fast foward now.. logically if vegtio were to be a factor in this black frezia arc.. you can’t say he wouldn’t be at least be under an angel.
Beerus can hakai anything in universe 7 regardless. And with black frieza being so far above goku and vegeta currently and beerus still doesn't feel a threat and calls goku weak even tho he has only gotten stronger
So i like how you mention "raw power" cause this is where things get complicated. Beerus has skills and abilities we don't even know about yet. And when Toppo says Belmod is stronger than Jiren, he explicitly says "based on combat power alone" i think the Gods of destruction are more powerful than we're giving them credit for and that Toppo just saying pure skill and not taking into account Belmod's abilities much less destruction power. This is further hinted at the start of the super Hero movie when goku talks about strong characters he says Broly, Jiren, and states "not to mention the gods of Destruction" implying that their the strongest
Absolutely Broly AND Whis are getting the same treatment as Beerus. As of right now those 3 characters are not set anywhere in the power rankings.
Lol Whis is one of the characters you’re not certain Goku will ever surpass.
idk why people ask this dumb question you can clearly see with how the plot is setup they clearly mean beerus still far surpasses them so fusion does not matter and that is not to burst anyones bubble but that is just plot armor for you boys and girls so you are just gonna have to wait till the author actually wants them to be stronger which will not be for a while because they are gonna wana milk this shit for profits.
Their going to do that so long that by the time that you're old and grey that their still saying that beerus is a quadrillion × stronger then whatever ssj rainbow sprite ultra instinct ego kaioken beast mode lehendary berserker form gogeta and vegito will get
Great video keep them coming
Beerus has millions of years of training plus Whis is in corner
They just need to train while fused. They'll eventually adapt and overcome the fusions flaws.
Great video!
Correct me if I’m not wrong but around the golden frieza arc whis says if Goku and Vegeta were to work together and combine efforts they could rival beerus.
And later on in the broly movie when whis sees base Gogeta he says “so you two can work together” basically saying if Goku and Vegeta fused to fight beerus they could beat him proving Gogeta and Vegito are stronger than Beerus in Blue
It does indeed
It would be close if:
DBS had good writing.
Beerus wasn’t retconned.
The fandom wasn’t so toxic.
The writers (now that Toriyama passed away) realized it's stupid to keep Beerus ahead Goku and Vegeta.
Ui Goku, UE Vegeta, Beast Gohan, Full power Jiren vs Beerus.
BUT each one has 100 years of training on the time chamber while Beerus reveals he secretely trained with Whis.
I hope when we see him 100% he has a unique fighting style that more acrobatic then just raw destruction power
Yall are so delusional.. I bet you thimk he beast the grand priest.
Black Frieza let Vegeta and Goku confidently live after he saw what fusion can do so he is absolutely sure to beat even fusion. Manga stated Beerus is still above Black Frieza. Hence (by logic) Beerus > Gogeta / Vegito. It is simple, everything else is head canon and Vegeta-/Goku-fanboyism. Also it would have been stated clearly if fusion was beyond Beerus. As long as it isn´t shown or stated explicitly otherwise, Beerus stays the strongest non angelic character, period.
You're assuming Frieza trained to become stronger than the fusions instead of them individually. Maybe, but there's no proof beyond speculation
@@yalexander9432 He stated in the manga having an ace up his sleeve for fusion and besides it only makes sense by mere logic due to the fact he knows what fusion is and how powerful it is. He still is absolutely confident to beat them regardless. And even ignoring that it just has been stated again for Beerus being the strongest non angelic character. He would curbstomp Gogeta.
@FelixS. It's also been stated that Vegito back in the Zamasu arc rivals Beerus twice. But thats not even what I'm talking about. It's pure speculation to suggest Frieza is stronger than Gogeta and we have no clue the ace up his sleeve. Considering Goku and Vegeta would have to increase the power by thousands of times to match a Black Frieza who > Fusions, I don't buy it. Base Vegito was already on Zamasus level
@@yalexander9432 Toriyama isn´t responsible for this anymore it is Toyotaru. Accept Beerus being a moving target, his power has been retconned several times during DBS and again it has been stated in the most recent manga chapter him still being ahead of Black Frieza. Period. It is stated and indicated in the source material.
@FelixS. Frieza is close to Beerus lmfao. And the point still stands. You need proof Frieza stronger than the Fusions beyond speculation. Actual statements indicate Fusions from Zamasu arc
This is probably the fight that is most representative of the fact Super’s scaling is up to interpretation. Interpreting one statement differently decides who wins battles often times. Personally I am in the camp of GBA Vegito Blue = Beerus and BA Gogeta Blue > Beerus.
Fusion was deemed useless against Moro 73 due to forced spirit fission, forced spirit fission needs to DAMAGE your opponent in order to work. Moro 73 can use forced spirit fission on Vegito/Gogeta blue therefore he can damage them. Moro 73 couldn't Damage perfected UI Goku. This implies moro arc PUI > Blue fusion.
@@ACertainMan The problem with that assessment is that Broly is said by Toyotaro to still be above Goku. So even PUI from the Morro arc can't be above Blue Fusion because Gogeta is clearly above Broly.
@@spritvio639 Uchida said that not Toyotaro, he only brought up Grand priest Whis and Beerus.
Toyotaro later confrimed that 3 top mortals in U7 were Granola Goku and Vegeta
Super's scaling is so wack that pitting two character against each other IN THE SAME SERIES is wildly inconsistent, especially compared with the rest of Dragon Ball. You have statements like "yeah God Goku and Beerus were going to destroy everything in the universe from clashing punches" and can see Beerus clearly sweating from it but then are told that he was only using a fraction of his power 💀. But then you have people worried about the statement more than the action, so then its inconsistent either way.
I swear this series is literally a parody of Dragon Ball.
No way blue fusions lose to beerus imo
Nah they don’t
U right they dont
Stop this fucking nonsense…
You are the most delusional person I have ever come across.. And that’s saying a lot…!
Stop this nonsense.
Nothing beats fusion. Fussion may not finish every fight but is sure has never lost a fight.
Gotenks,Kefla, Piccolo,Cell,Buu
bro never watched dragon ball Z
@@Dest. Vegito never lost a fight, he just never killed an opponent
@@YourNameDoesNotCheckoutVegito is innocent your honour he never killed anyone KEK
@@YourNameDoesNotCheckout The fusions that also lost fights: fused avo and cado, the 3 fused girls (moro arc), moro 73, angel moro and planet moro.
Beerus will win
Beerus must win against the Grand Priest too right?
@@therealpat_yep trolling)
Beerus beats fusion .. the Saiyans aren’t even close
If beerus don't use his hakai then he's nothing+ idk about manga but in the anime during the ToP belmod was recognised by whis as stronger than beerus and beerus's expressions were enough to say yes and with that in mind jiren was said to be stronger than his universe's god of destruction and Goku beated him with just ui omen or if you don't consider that than mui beated him making Goku stronger than beerus in his ui he's also stronger than a fusion with green hairs ( full power ssj that means ) idk what proof is needed to prove that Goku and Vegeta both have surpassed beerus unless and until he's not training
@@Unknown.10202THE DBS BROLY NOVEL LITERALLY CONFIRMED BEERUS IS THE STRONGEST GOD OF DESTRUCTION. You Jiren/Belmod Tards kill me with this shit lol. Whis was clearly teasing Beerus.
Here's the thing:
Beerus is going to be the ceiling that goku/vegeta will always struggle to come close to grasp his full potential as long as the author continues to and we just need to accept that
I.e unless plot is shown, 2 super powered alien space monkeys will not catch up to boney talking ancient cat
Beerus cant even hit MUI goku
@@InfiniteMind9 You may even be right but if the author of Dragon Balls makes beerus able to hit MUI Goku then he will that's all I was saying
@@InfiniteMind9He can't? He sure can
@@InfiniteMind9Damn must explain why Granolah, Gas, Frieza, Moro, all can, and Beerus still shrugging them off as if they are barely any threats to him
Vegito>beerus>gogeta
Vegito has been direcrly stated twice to be as strong as beerus pre top by both the supreme kai and a guide book and both goku and vegeta having gotten way stronger since then so a current vegito would logically scale above both pre top vegito and beerus. Gogeta has no such statements. Black frieza knew of gogeta blue yet still aloud goku and vegeta to live likely meaning black frieza is stronger than gogeta and it has been stated in a v-jump that frieza was *near* the level of god of destruction and since beerus is the strongest god of destruction that would mean beerus>black frieza and black frieza>gogeta. So in conclusion current vegito blue>beerus>black frieza>current gogeta blue.
Yea fused vegito is much better then gogeta facts
In terms of RAW power blue fusions rival Beerus RAW POWER not UE or UI usage
As much as I love Vegito Blue or Gogeta Blue, they're still not stronger than Beerus-- as of right now at least. Both Goku MUI and Vegeta UE (WHO PEOPLE THOUGHT WAS STRONGER THAN BEERUS) make up less than 10% of Beerus' power. And I'm being super generous, I'd say even LESS than 5% lol. The longer the story progresses, the more you realize that these two aren't even close to Beerus' Full Power. Also Beerus solos Perfected Blue Vegeta in the manga, who is equal to Evolution in the anime, with literally one hand so that should ring a bell.
I liked the video as soon as it started and it didn’t even show up bruh fine I’ll wait at least I got first comment GO REVO there we go now it finally went up
My headcanon is that Beerus is still secretly training, but we never see it. So everyone assumes that he doesn't. Remember, Beerus never master UI. I believe seeing Goku's development would inspire him to advance.
it's so funny how we have to rely on headcanon to make Super make sense lmfao
This was an interesting video but I got an idea for an next video topic. If Kale & Broly were to meet and have an baby together how much potential would that baby have? Will it exceed Gohan potential since the baby born from an union between Kale & Broly will be another pure bred Sayian and not an Hybrid. Plus Kale can get Broly too control his Legendary Super Sayian better since she had trouble controlling it in the past in the Tournament of Power Arc.
Probably not because it was said Half saiyans have more potential than pure ones(granted Goten and Trunks are debatable, tho they reached super saiyan before the anyone else so you could argue they have the potential if they actually trained) The question really is, is a legendary super saiyan stronger than a potential unlocked half saiyan
@@mewtwo34 half saiyans dont want to fight as much as pure saiyans do so their potential only goes up so much.
Hard work beats talent when talent doesnt work hard.
what's the song playing in the background?
moro's power is that he can drain powers from others making him stronger while making the people he fights with weaker as such his power is flutcuating so he is still a threat regardless of his own power not to mention his magic he can also survive in outher space so threat level won't be any less
This how i see it:
1) Vegetto Blue (Zamasu arc) = Full Power SSj Broly
- Both are mentioned to be around/rival beerus power specifically. Not including Hax of course. So one on one fight, Beerus would win against both low difficulty as he has Hakai that leads to existence erasure, unlimited power source via damage aka Ultra ego, sealing etc.
Also if we take it that fusion is closer to multiplication in power like the data book suggests, that would be a real huge gap in power to close even after they trained and became much stronger throughout the arcs.
This is Dragon ball so we all know power gaps and increases for individuals can get crazy so who knows. Lol but that's how i would generally see it.
And to be honest i think the granola arc messed everything up in terms of scaling as that arc was just an excuse to nerf Goku to fight someone who wasn't on Beerus level just yet. The wish was to become the strongest in the universe besides the gods which i thought was too convenient.
Goku's senses got nerfed as he didn't notice there was a clone of Granola. But when fighting moro in UI omen he easily can catch on to something like that even doing it himself against Whis.
Then his Instinctive durability just magically went away. When UI is honed to a certain extent, the body would instantly become durable. We never seen this when he fought granola or Gas. Smh
Mastering UI is a moving goal post, they keep changing what "mastering UI" means Goku will only ever master it when they are done milking.
Broly is said to probably be stronger than Beerus.
Full power SSJ Broly >= Beerus >= Final kamehama Vegito.
@@diamantemrobinson Movie only statement.
Movie is written by Akira and directly connects to the manga
@@diamantemrobinson Interview directly debunks that notion. Both the movies and the manga are SEPARATE continuities we've known this ever since super hero movie. This also falls under nitpicking what to take from the movie continuity since even the material for broly film labels PUI Goku as stronger than all the Gods of Destruction which obviously isn't the case for the manga.
Gogito is the only appropriate name for This fusion not “blue fusion”
Ahhh right, the moving goalpost vs the fusions with a fodder form.
The problem is the greater goku and vegeta get the stronger than fusion is. The Gogeta created in the Moro arc would have been exponentially stronger than he was against broly
You got to do BuuHan vs Kid buu plzzzzzzzz
If Gogeta went Ultra Instincts Kaioken Ego x 1000, he might be stronger then Beerus :) but in all reality, Id say Blue fusions win. Great video
Blue fusion? Black Frieza will rag doll that fusion.
Beside Ego Vegeta and Goku far stronger than before but get manhandle by suppressed Black Frieza.
@@princekievargas220 Black Frieza is a joke, get that "Close to a GoD" bumass outta here
I do think that vegito and gogeta would be equal anyway since they’re technically the same character, I do think so that vegito or gogeta blue would beat Beerus not to mention they have techniques like the Keio Ken blue evolution ultra, ego, etc. imagine a UI fusion that would be terrifying
Having certain aspects of u.i. and u.e. with the raw power of fusion would indeed be terrifying
You lost me at “blue” it’s very clear since the Moro arc that Blue Fusion is below UI that’s why they didn’t even entertain using it against Moro-73. Forced Spirit Fission works against Blue Fusion, meanwhile using it on UI results in the person using Forced Spirit Fission getting fucked lol.
@themightofgeburah5882 The problem with putting UI above Blue Fusion is that according to Toyotaro, Broly is above Goku. There has been some time problem between where we are now and the Broly movie, but seeing as how Broly is still at the basics, it's clear he hasn't gotten that much stronger. Gogeta would still wipe the floor with Broly, so he has to be above him.
@@spritvio639 Toyotaro said no such thing, someone who was conversing with him proposed it but Toyotaro skipped over Broly and mentioned people like Beerus, Whis and Grand Priest then in later interviews said that Goku, Vegeta, Granola and Gas are the strongest mortals IN the Universe which would include Broly but people like Frieza are excluded because he was in a different dimension. It’s not that Broly is at the basics… it’s just that he hasn’t learned to harness his newfound power without going berserk, he’s way above the Gogeta from the Broly Movie because of Zenkai boosts, Goku and Vegeta were implied to be near the “limit” in that regard but Broly has only just begun.
youre such a beerus meatrider lol
They should just say Beerus has been secretely train in all this time because it makes no sense otherwise that his power keeps getting retconned for him to be stronger than everyone, at the start he was just as powerful as goku and vegeta blue put together from rof saga while now even freaking black frieza who one shots goku ultra instinct and ultra ego vegeta, is just close to beerus. Gtfo writers...
how is this a debate
Should i remember you guys, that vegito blue at that tine Wasnt perfect blue?
Perfect blue isn't stronger than Normal Blue, perfect blue is stated to be normal blue at constant 100%.
A suppressed Beerus can beat current Vegeta and Goku together with ease.
Frieza saw Blue Gogeta, he definitely prepped for an even stronger Fusion. And given how Black Frieza is still implied to be weaker than Beruus, I doubt Blue Fusion can touch him. Maybe Vegito but it depends on the gap between Potara and FD. That Blue Vegito = Beruus statement is definitely hella outdated by now. Even Broly being relevant to him seems like nonsense given how hes still stronger than TUI and UE.
You know Broly was only a super sayan and was immensely powerful. Imagine if he were SS3 or even SSG? He'd be OP as f**k.
Broly was in Legendary Super Saiyan (or LSSJ) by the end of the movie, when he was fighting gogeta blue. And legendary super saiyan has been confirmed to be the purest, or most powerful saiyan transformation, and it offers Broly literally infinite power, so, in a nutshell, LSSJ > Any other super saiyan transformation.
@@dafunni1millionnot really, if that was the case he would have had a good fight with Gogeta instead of getting defeated very easily, Lssj did not seem that stronger than ssj, maybe it’s more like as strong as ssj2. BUT i would say that the lssj retains more on adapting which would make it the strongest transformation LONG TERM
@@thedebaters_T-S he was getting stronger as the fight goes. But everything as a limit, Ultra Ego also got stated to have no limit but still got defeat when damage accumulated
@@thedebaters_T-S LSSJ was literally destroying super saiyan gogeta before he went blue. Also, Broly’s power doesn’t turn infinite the moment he goes LSSJ, it grows as the battle goes on. If the battle went on longer, Gogeta could’ve possibly lost eventually, but the gap of power between Gogeta blue and LSSJ Broly was so big that this would’ve definitely taken a long while and Gogeta would’ve most likely defused before Broly actually caught up to his power.
@@dafunni1million I agree but broly was not destroying super saiyan gogeta 💀 he didn’t even land a hit on him
Do perfected Cell Max vs Gogeta Blue
The Blue fusions win especially if current. Vegito in the black arc rivaled Beerus. Broly is confirmed possibly higher than full power Beerus at his full power and Gogeta beat him. Moro was Goku's toughest opponent because he didn't rely on fusion and he couldn't really on pure power to defeat. As far as the strongest in the universe it's made abundantly clear that Broly can't go super saiyan or ikari as he needs rage to do so. Base Broly back in his arc was only around SSJ 3 to SSG level. So yeah his base state wouldn't make him near the strongest in the universe.
Beerus destroys both Gogeta and Vegito blue combined.
Beerus explained how his godly technique works to Vegeta, he keeps increasing in power the more he thinks about destruction ( which he always is ) this makes any past comparisons to him useless. This is why Beerus called PSSB "a mere powerup" and that simple powerups can't reach his level ( also settles the debate on Blue Fusion vs Beerus )
Fusion was deemed useless against Moro 73 due to forced spirit fission, forced spirit fission needs to DAMAGE your opponent in order to work. Moro 73 can use forced spirit fission on Vegito/Gogeta blue therefore he can damage them. Moro 73 couldn't Damage perfected UI Goku. This implies moro arc PUI > Blue fusion.
Beerus scales above black frieza going by VJump so he ONE shots both TUI Goku and UE Vegeta both of which absolutely destroy moro arc PUI Goku.
Since the TOP arc we knew that simple powerups can't reach Beerus level this is why UI and UE are needed since they allow the user to continuously grow stronger in battle. Only when Goku and Vegeta truly master their godly techniques with no weaknesses do they become Beerus's rivals.
@@ACertainMan This argument is flawed on so many levels it's ridiculous
@@diamantemrobinson name them.
I don’t recall anywhere confirming Broly to be more powerful than Beerus, closest I can find was Goku saying so, despite the fact he has quite literally never seen Beerus at 100% before, even then Beerus took 0 action in a force that’s supposedly “stronger than him” threatening the planet with his beloved food.
@@Damnalright Goku said it in the movie which is a very reliable statement. Why do so many y'all say this bs? Goku can one sense both of their power and two he literally saw Beerus go all out in the god exhibition match 🤦🏿♂️ Goku is fully aware of how powerful Beerus is just like Shin whom said Vegito's final Kamehameha rivals Beerus power.
Gogeta Blue >> Full power SSJ Broly >= Beerus >= Final Kamehameha Vegito > Black Frieza, Gohan Beast, UI Goku, UE Vegeta > Gas, Granolah, and Moro that simple.
Psh, the beerus hype train has gone too far
-the first version of beerus: BoG movie woulda gotten mopped by golden frieza, the blues, hit
-manga vegito! Is a confirmed beerus tier fighter. So he’d sit among jiren, broly, gohan
-I guess the top of the pyramid now is Ultra fusion/beerus/black frieza. Refuse to believe beerus walks thro either fighter w/o busting out some trap card outta his back pocket. He’d have to debut just better use of ultra to get the upper hand. Maybe he saccs his immortality to juggle instinct and ego in tandem to take the rightful throne.
-GOKU BLACK, was the first gatekeeper to being “beerus tier” as he was dubbed strongest mortal in his run time. 90% of relevant characters then onwards would then become fucking beerus tier
-goku B died to kaioken goku in same arc.
-goku then beats hit w/ no kaio. Hit would body goku black, beerus tier
-gohan vs goku was not a serious fight, when it was he was swiftly bodied
-17, more potential than gohan, jumping jiren is more impressive than having to jump DYSPO, he’s closer to beerus tier
-kefla, even ToP vegeta compare to the spirit bomb that awakens UI, they’d be beerus tier
-dyspo, toppo too, prob even aniraza
-gammas range from pre manga blue, to prob reaching ultra tier. Some dummies really think they could stand and bang w/ ultra sayians. Hell nah. They only could stand and bang for a better performance for the gohan hype train propaganda compared to gohan getting off his 2 pumps and swiftly put down like the fraud he is.
He’s a moving goalpost, the stronger the opponents become, so does he.
He’s like the final boss.
@@Damnalright except at least for anime he ain rlly doin much w/ it. Cuz he doesn’t smack the goofy outta, what would be blue evo over mastered blue. And vegeta has no ego to show for it. The only other guy that ain on his team is jiron, jiron is a confirmed “ya he can stand and bang” w/ beerus tier.
Every new feat from super is just “he’s GoD tier” and beerus gets priority, prob belmod and the jerry mouse one behind in rank. Aren’t there like 3,4 unis that weren’t in ToP?
No, Goku said "MIGHT" be as strong as Beerus. He did not he was. Referring to Broly.
If only akira toriyama had not actually given us a power scale that disproves everything you say
Toyotaro, this is the last year Beerus will be stronger than Goku and Vegeta, understand? We will NOT tolerate a lazy sleeping cat who never trains being more powerful than our heroes.
Goku and Vegeta train beyond their limits everyday and they more than deserve to surpass Beerus. At minimum, show Goku and Vegeta surpassing the other weak gods of destruction in power and strength.
That will at least make Beerus’ power look more believable. And bring back Perfect Cell and have him surpass Black Frieza.
Bro if beerus is that strong I feel like broly and gogeta would fused but sh*t I don’t think that would work 😂
I still think Beerus wins. Hear me out. Frieza when he first saw Gogeta in the Broly movie was shocked but also learnt that they arent just combined in power but signifcantly multiplied.
So Frieza does aome training and returns. But do you really think he would come back weaker than a fusion between Goku and Vegeta? Would make no logical sense to come back to only be beaten by a fuaion you now know about. So Frieza definitely trained to become even stronger than a fusion between the two Saiyans. So if a fusion between the saiyans is weaker than black frieza then they would in turn be weaker than Beerus.
You also have to remember that ultra insitinct and ego are like two complete opposite transformations. I doubt they will be able to use both at the same time in fusion so they will either be limited to Blue as thats the stronger transformation they both know, or Ultra Ego/instinct considering Gogeta knows instant transmission which Vegeta doesnt know so they can use techniques from just the one user
@@GuyVick Vegito fanboy completely deaf to arguments blowing out his signature slogan. Well played, kiddo (still wrong).
Beerus obliterates they likely need a ego /instinct fusion too match him the way things are going
You do realize goku and vegeta teaming up in blue would defeat him
@@GocanTHWhat are you smoking? Last chapter we literally got confirmation that TUI/UE is weaker than him. He didn't even give a shit about Black Frieza and the promotional material suggests Frieza < Beruus.
@@good8619 did you not watch Resurrection F that states if goku and vegeta teamed up on beerus, they would would win, what are you smoking
@@GocanTHWhis lied. Goku and Vegeta can’t beat him working together even as of current. Beerus >>>>> Black Frieza who’s a Oneshot + Blitz Tier above UI Goku and UE Vegeta lol.
@@themightofgeburah5882 why would he lie or need to lie, it's never stated or implied it was a lie
i don’t think just because goku is stronger than broly doesn’t mean gogita isn’t stronger than ui goku it just mean max power goku. can beat max broly just as easily as gogeta did to broly but that doesn’t mean that it goku is stronger than gogeta because gogeta was stated to not even trying and if goku is at full power goku would get destroyed thus gogeta is definitely as strong as the destroyer
Ok let’s keep this to Blue level: how would a current Blue Vegito/Gogeta(in this current new arc we are in right now)do against Beerus?
it gets slapped around cuz it's a fodder form 💀
@@biohazardbin lmao
Fun fact: Most people spell "Vegito" Even if this doesn't really work. If it's a combination of Vegeta and Kakarot, then why is there an I, and and O at the end? The more logical spelling would be Vegetto, (as shown in the subtitles) which combines Vegeta and Kakarotto. Or Vegerott, if you prefer Kakarot and not Kakarotto, but no body likes that lmao
We just think it looks cooler, despite it being inaccurate.. So what?
No problem.
@@JamesSmith-gp7lg lmao it is just Dragon ball after all. Most of these inaccuracies come from the Funimation dub, which a lot of people watch.
Well my theory is that blue fusions are relative to base beerus not full power beerus.
And granola stomps broly cause when the granola makes wish then shenron himself stated that greatest warriors aparts from gods. Which means that broly has too be taken into account
Which means gogeta blue (broly movie ) and vegito blue zamasu arc has been surpasesed and you could argue that gods are in constant state of ultra ego
Man, people get really serious when they talk about if pronouns man is stronger than anorexia cat. In my opinion I think that anorexia cat is stronger because I like him more. Which is about where the evidence stands for both arguments at this point.
10:19 yes you are, anime Goku took 6 months to beat final form frieza 😂😂
Fast creep is logical. Jiren literally was so far ahead but goku fast creeped in 60 min but yes I’m on beerus
It's broly's time would like to see him. Be black freeza on his own.
I mean, Moro just couldn’t use his full UI power against Goku, and had a Cell Max weak spot to boot after his desperate merger with Earth
Moro did use Merus powers to their full extent , as he did mention , his body was moving in a very different way , the thing is , his body was not durable enough to harness the power naturally like Goku , but Moro was equal to MUI Goku , he stated that , and I don’t think his weak spot when he merged with earth gave Goku the win , because Goku was tanking and blocking every hit even if Earth Moro had 100 arms . Goku was in a bad situation because destroying Moro’s body meant destroying the planet .
@@cinnamonpancakes54 if his body can't handle the power, then he can't genuinely control it to the fullest
and the crystal was a weak point that Whis gave Goku the okay to destroy, but was grabbed the moment he tried and was forced out of ui thereafter
@@MegaMachiOnlineGoku was grabbed because the more he made contact with Moro the more Moro got a hold of his power Moro was also draining power from everyone on the planet so his power was continuously rising it was pretty much a Semi Perfect cell moment vs SSJ2 Gohan except this time Goku had a weak spot that was Okay to damage, Goku was draining and Moro was rising until Goku got power from Uub at which point he is visibly shown overpowering Moro. Moro was able to use UI for like a brief moment until his body started falling apart.
you sound like dawko
Do you think the next Villain after Black Frieza will be even stronger than Black frieza ?
I hope that one they state that beerus started to train again after battle of gods and trained increasingly harder as goku got stronger and stronger
Why? Goku did absolutely nothing to beerus in their fight. Like if beerus was trying then Goku would be dead. Goku can't use ki blast against beerus, he'll nullify that. Goku still hasn't learned anything enough. Ironic that Beerus is millions of years old but Goku can catch him? Nah. If Goku felt he was a rival to beerus, whis and beerus would of set up a fight. Matter fact, I think beerus would just run up on Goku in that case. Who cares if beerus was shocked by not knowing Goku stacked kaioken by 20. Vegeta is just as strong as Goku and beerus was in that booty once Vegeta got to confident. They just have raw power. They are learning to tap into in and learn how to use different techniques. Techniques has been all Super has been about. Using those to overcome a powerful foe. Not just the same.. MY POWER IS HIGHER, I WIN. GOKU GOT ULTRA INSTINCT COOL. BEERUS HAS IT TOO. PLUS HUNDREDS OF OTHER TECHNIQUES. BEERUS WAS GONNA WIPE OUT MORO IN LESS THEN A MINUTE. HE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO BREAK ANY GOD OF DESTRUCTION LAWS. PLUS IF THE OTHER GODS FOUND OUT, HE THOUGHT THEY WOULD LAUGH THAT BEERUS HAD TO FIGHT A VILLAIN. HE GETTING A SOFT SPOT FOR Goku and Vegeta. And how did Goku get stronger in the Granola arc? He didn't train. He found out that he's more comfortable in a certain ultra instinct form. Which wasn't the strongest version of it right? He got destroyed the whole granola. First getting knocked out by a clone, then waking up to find out Vegeta actually got stronger. In dbz ppl had pure power and other forms and in super ppl have skills that are so unique that they can turn a battle. Some even erase you from existence.
For the sake of the argument let’s just say a current vegitto and gogeta bc a current goku and vegeta is stronger then both fusions, from what was seen in top mui goku was stronger then a blue gogeta at least with all the power he shown
Also gogeta was MUCH stronger then Broly he didn’t use full power in blue at all he really only needed super saiyan 2
Beerus wins against gogeta? Broly who is on beerus’ planet is stronger than the one in the movie, and base goku and vegeta are able to fight broly. Meaning that in their ultra forms they can defeat broly.
Goku still isn’t stronger than beerus so yea.
Gogeta Blue and Vegito Blue are easily above beerus
At some point gods of destuction arent tht strong .look at the torunament they tested the toppo god of destruction and he lost wihtout gogeta. We defonrly need to see gogeta vs beerus its needed as maybe just a sparring match
God of Destruction Toppo is anime exclusive in the anime/movie continuity PUI Goku exceeded all the Gods of Destruction and Gogeta was bullying someone superior to Gods of Destruction.
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Is Beerus is as strong as statements make him out to be, then regardless if he was holding back against Goku when they first met or not, he should have technically beaten him much easier than how the fight actually went.
Goku was getting beat up by krillin. Just because he’s stronger doesn’t mean he has to use all his power. Beerus was realistically using 1% of his power vs god goku. Dude was sitting there floating with his hands behind his back most the fight
Beerus was training goku more than fighting him
Are you this delusional like bruh beerus is still this strongest you think black freeza never saw blue fusions and he's not even scared
You crAzy if u think currrent gogeta loses to beerus
@@rae5057 you crazy to think a weaker gogeta would
Yes, current Ultra Ego / Ultra Instinct Gogeta / Vegito loses HARD against Black Frieza…
Who, in turn, guess what???! Loses HARD against Lord Beerus!
@@JamesSmith-gp7lgAlright, then we agree that Beerus is a moving goalpost.
Mastered Ultra instinct vegito would completely destroy black Frieza you crazy if think Frieza ever would stand chance against mui vegito lol
10:14 Didn't Cell technically take a year?
You dbz content creators fail to remember things from the MANGA and Anime!! When Goku fight beerus the first time when goku was ssG they said beerus was a 10 and Goku was a 7. That was SSG so ssBlue then kioken 100 with Blue 😂 then UI you telling me those upgrades wouldn’t make Goku above beerus ? Goku vs beerus they said beerus was using 70 percent of his full power! So you telling me all goku power up’s with vegeta’s you think a merged goku and vegeta at BLUE is still weaker than beerus lol. Maybe the writers forget these details which makes sense but we can always go back and watch and listen to these things! Beerus power changes daily based on story. You forget whis said to beerus when goku got uI omen and beerus was sweating and whis said he surpassed you.
Do a face reveal
Blue fusion and Beerus are equal but Jiren is stronger than all 3
Jiren ON TOP
You come on here and show how much of a Jiren stan you are always bringing him up. Get over yourself and that obsession you have of Jiren.
You are DELUDED!
Blue Fusion was surpassed by Post Yardrat SSB Vegeta!
@@GodslayerSeiyafell for the bait 😭
@@Bane2TuffAtBall Only childish little kids like you and him do this. Maybe you should do something with yourself and be productive clearly you not. Go do your homework
He literally comes on here being a Jiren cheerleader and I know exactly who he is as he does this in other places since he has no life.
I don't think its crazy to assume that a current ssj1 vegeta would smoke broly film lss broly
I would say Blue Gogeta is considerably stronger than Broly. If you watch that fight, Broly literally never hits Blue Gogeta. And the only reason I don’t think the Fusions can beat Beerus is because he has felt the power of Blue Gogeta. And at no point has he seemed to care enough to mention it. If he was actually that strong you’d think he’d want to fight him
True or even if he didn’t want to fight him knowing how lazy Beerus is atleast he would highlight his power and say have these saiyans really reached this level with their fusion etc so on so forth but he literally yawns and goes to sleep lol
Now look in battle of gods they said burrus was using 70 % of his max power now Goku God red did not really push burrus to use his 70% of his power burrus just did just because he was getting excited from the fight at the time burrus for sure was not fighting Goku siriously and when burrus said to Goku he's fighting at 70% you could tell he only said that gauge how much of Goku's max power he was using when Goku said I'm only fighting at about 80% burrus didn't power up no further really he just started fighting him more siriously ultimately defeated Goku without fr getting siriouse completely at during that fight you can tell he even went back to sleep after the win from not being tired but just being board
Gogetio could completely smash beerus it wouldn't even be closed
Yea beers power creep is gone especially if he doesn't have transformation.
the movie by goku himself
So much bs I mean we saw an entire arc where Beerus was fighting SSG Goku getting touched, even SS2 Vegets touched him and now he’s beyond everyone make it make sense😭
Same way krillin was fighting with goku. Just because they are a lot stronger doesn’t mean they have to use all of their power. Neither goku nor vegeta have ever even scratched beerus
Mui vegito would beat beerus no cap
I never thought goku and vegeta individually surpassed their fusion ssb gogeta from broly movie nor do i think granola and gas wish including broly because he cannot tap into that power at will! Also its just impossible for goku and vegeta to raise they power individually past ssb gogeta who is practically goku and vegeta power both exponentially amplified ! Its just impossible!
Also only vegito/gogeta and broly has been stated beerus level ! Not even black frieza is stated to be beerus level or is compared to beerus which also leads me to believe broly has been the strongest in the series so far him beast gohan and fusions like vegito and gogeta
Fusion was deemed useless against Moro 73 due to forced spirit fission, forced spirit fission needs to DAMAGE your opponent in order to work. Moro 73 can use forced spirit fission on Vegito/Gogeta blue therefore he can damage them. Moro 73 couldn't Damage perfected UI Goku. This implies moro arc PUI > Blue fusion.
@@ACertainMan no it does not imply anything the only thing it implies is fusion cant work due to the hax moro acquired from vegeta .
@@twontwon1827
Forced spirit fission needs to DAMAGE the opponent for it to work. Moro 73 COULDN'T damage PUI Goku.
Therefore
PUI Goku > Blue fussion.
It's like you don't read your own source material people
@@ACertainMan its like u dont comprehend having a hack to beat someone doesnt mean ur stronger thats like saying vegeta could beat ssb gogeta ! Like its not about power its about the ability/ hax to separate a fusion !
Its so simple do u not follow the material !
With that same hax vegeta did something goku couldnt . Which is weaken moro but let u tell it 😂😂😂 yall say stupid shit on here i swear
@@twontwon1827 It's like you don't comprehend the conditions of said "hack".
Gogeta blue claps beerus
Even if we highball blue fusion to the highest degree, the time limit loses them the fight regeardless
There is no time limit mitigation with gogeto you can stay in fusion as long as he wants
@@SIGMA-52 There is, it's just the movie doesn't make it seem that way. Gotenks defused faster because of Super Saiyan 3. Gogeta was also a Super Saiyan for part of the fight and didn't go blue until later. Even Vegito was in blue longer than Gogeta was. Remember, this is the same show where the entire tournament of power is 48 minutes.
@@phantomrogue7894 first vegito was in fusion less than gogeta second gogeta defused after beat broly at will not because of time third gogetio the fusion between gogeta and vegito has no time limit because he transcends not everything in D.B. he also transcends the concept of time and space
@@SIGMA-52 No I meant Vegito blue was in blue longer than Gogeta was at least in terms of what was shown. Not by much, but longer regardless. Gogeta was a Super Saiyan at first. Second Gogito is a fan concept but that is a nice theory. Makes you wonder if that fusion would get to DB Heroes levels of powerful.
@@phantomrogue7894 oh see what you saying I get ya and I agree
Goku and Vegeta in the current arc in the manga have most definitely surpassed super saiyan blue vegito that fought merged Zamusa. We have to remember this is a shonen anime getting more powerful than the previous arc is a apart of the genre.
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That’s literally impossible to
If vegito and beerus fight the same thing will happen to buuhan as ssj vegito kick he is ass for good maybe beerus will able to give some lucky hits but will not even close to touch for real fusion
Nah berrus get stronger each arc so just high ball him to watecer current transformation goku has but on vegito
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Blue Fusion was surpassed by POST YARDRAT SSB Vegeta!!!!!
@@JamesSmith-gp7lgit wasn't ever that's just bad reading on your part and I'm a Vegeta fan
@@chriscollins3225 You’re *not* a Vegeta fan. And I have done the actual research. You haven’t.
@@JamesSmith-gp7lg huh been a Vegeta fan longer than you child
You ain't do any research just sprouting non sense
I owned the actual manga for Dragon Ball and DBS
I've read the daizenshuu and I'm a proud account member of kanzenshuu
@@chriscollins3225 I am 32 years old.. Hardly a child. And no, you are NOT a Vegeta fan, otherwise you would have known about ALL THE EVIDENCE that Base Vegeta *post yardrat* is stronger than SSBE Vegeta *pre* yardrat..
I’m done with you.
Bye.
If beerus don't use his hakai then he's nothing+ idk about manga but in the anime during the ToP belmod was recognised by whis as stronger than beerus and beerus's expressions were enough to say yes and with that in mind jiren was said to be stronger than his universe's god of destruction and Goku beated him with just ui omen or if you don't consider that than mui beated him making Goku stronger than beerus in his ui he's also stronger than a fusion with green hairs ( full power ssj that means ) idk what proof is needed to prove that Goku and Vegeta both have surpassed beerus unless and until he's not training
Manga Beerus nearly came out ontop in a God of Destruction Battle Royals, with most of them targeting him (I wonder why), Belmond playing dead the entire time to come out unscathed.
Also the fact that Goku and Vegeta has still yet to beat Beerus even though they’re constantly training.
(Current manga Vegeta getting casually manhandled by Beerus)