I think a lot of that is due to how well the work together since goku and vegeta have a strong rivalry bond and respect one another and the power is increased.
Yeah, it confused me too, but then i kept hearing “im neither goku nor vegeta” so now i think even tho hes called a fusion, hes not actually a mix, i think hes a completely different fighter and person than both of them summoned by vegeta and goku placing the earings on each one
@@harrisontabor3335 for the sake of the video ig but it is also running on different potara rules since obviously Super rules says mortals fuse for an hour
With Vegito, they would've had one more spot available for the Torunament of Power. They could've included Yamcha and that would've made all the difference.
why not fusing everyone? then there is no actual problem at all and with gotenks permanently fused he can also be really powerful and redeem himself... i guess you could go a far stretch and make it so merged zamasu occurs if you really want to stress it so trunks and mai stay and then you fuse them with gohan and videl (after mai and trunks have a bady so you could fuse their baby with pan) and then you have a truly big family of just fusions.... not only that but the warriors coming from the family would just be.... insane.... this is stretching it far too much but whatever just imagine the raw potential of the fusions and the transformation combinations there would be.... kaio ken and evolved..... ikari and ultimate.... even if it only is the main super saiyan forms the fusions would be insane
Love how you immediately (after dealing with Buu & the after-effects) addressed the issue of Vegito's bigamy. Technically, he's powerful enough that nobody could stop him, and Chi-Chi lives in a remote enough location that Vegito *could* visit her, but that obviously doesn't take into account the feelings of the spouses. I like your solution, as it makes the most sense canonically.
A hilarious scenario I have for Chi-Chi and Bulma is how they also fuse using the potara in desperation, creating the universe's strongest wife material. Imagine the strength of her and Vegito's child. Might as well end the series there if I'm being honest.
They dont even need the Potara, just learn the Fusion Dance and have a 30 min "fun time" with Vegito If they want to stay with him longer there's still the option of asking Shenlong to merge them in a way that can be reverted later, if Bulma was willing to use the dragon balls to make herself younger she certainly would be for that Though if none of those options were available yeah they could go with the Potara
That’s what I was hoping to hear happen. Kind of sad no one ever takes that route. Pretty sure that the Potara fusion is Chima, while the dance version is Bulchi, with each one physically taking more after the person who’s name came first in the fusion name.
as weird as this may sound, i always did wonder what would happen if a fusion... yknow, especially a fusion with a time limit like Gogeta and canon Vegito
@@momogoes3329 Like Vegeta and Kakarot they wudnt wanna Fuse either I mean who fckng like join bodies u knw man if there's no point in Actuality at all
This was literally a thing in that popular fan Dragon Ball Multiverse manga with multiple universes fighting in a tournament that was around years before the tournament of power and Dragonball Super. One of the universes had a Vegito that just never chose to unfuse. He ended up just being with both Chichi and Bulma iirc. The Bra from that universe came from Vegito and was also silly strong.
Slight correction: he doesn't stay with both Chichi and Bulma, Chichi gives him up, sayong Goku's already been dead for so long that it doesn't make sense to make Bulma lose her husband. He continues to be a father to Gohan and Goten, but spends more of his time with Bulma, leading to Bra being born from Vegito's combined powers, and hence turning into the powerhouse that she ends up. I just caught up on current, so it's fresh in my mind. Also, a fantastic story for anyone who likes DBZ, especially if they like what-if scenarios.
I’d like to believe that the longer Vegito exists, the more he becomes his own being and Goku and vegeta become completely merged. So what if the potara earrings could only be used so many times before it fully merges its users? Pretty cool concept I think
There's probably some weight to that if you look at the manga. In the Goku Black arc, Fused Zamasu didn't properly separate like Vegito did. Whether it's because of Zamasu's immortality or not is unclear.
Would totally fit to him, but we know this is impossible. It is not like a body used by 2, its a whole different guy with the traits of both. Bot I would die laughing to a moment like that 😂
Everytime I see a Vegito "What If" the Dragonball Multiverse comic always comes up. The part where Vegito doesn't choose Chi Chi or Bulma was a brilliant move.
@Xene Dvalin this is a vegito that had been training for countless years. Was already Ssjb level even before he got god ki and has far more potential then almost anyone else in the series. This vegito would far beyond any fusion we have seen in the actual series and would probably already have access to ultra instinct. Jiren would stand no chance against him
@Xene Dvalin he’s quite literally the combination of goku and vegeta. Goku had a hard time achieving ui because he’s too relaxed and vegeta couldn’t because he was too on edge all the time. Did you not watch the what if or?
@Xene Dvalin I mean considering what whis said, yes the fusion should 100% be able to use ultra instinct, especially considering he has more time to train since he doesn’t have to stay with the family or do any work. Vegito having the mindset of both goku and vegeta will automatically make him the perfect student to master ultra instinct. Not that he’d even need it to defeat jiren. Again did you even watch the what if?
@Xene Dvalin did you not watch the Frieza saga in super? Whis literally says that goku is too relax whereas vegeta isn’t at all. Just because it was literally the reason why he lost against Frieza in the first place. Goku did not have the correct mindset during that arc, only that he was closer to get it in comparison to vegeta.
Many of the characters, like both Goku and Vegeta are purposely made arrogant and want to fight their opponents at full power, so the story would appear interesting…
Vegito: Can you grant literally any wish? Super Shenron: Yes Vegito: then unfuse me Super Shenron: no Edit: i'm surprised that nobody has called me out for writing "unfuse"
That’s why I liked the Potara Fusion from Shin Bodukai (PSP games) so much. Because in that story setting it was permanent, until someone used the Dragon Balls to split the Fusion.
They hadn't retconned it at that point. Still, they're the same people that made Budokai 2 and somehow Vegito just de-fused on the second to last stage of Story Mode or whatever it's called with no rhyme or reason. Considering how op they made Kid Buu in that game, why wasn't it an option to keep playing as Vegito for the last stage? Probably would've been too easy I guess.
@@hjeb1986 considering he is basically infinitely stronger than ssj3 goku and ultimate gohan, the first time going ssjg wouldve at worse probably equal or be just weaker to beerus, and considering he has the multiplied potential of both goku and vegeta in this, beerus would be no match likely
@@ToxicNoxic it's been confirmed in the manga that even with mui Beerus is still almost infinitely stronger than Goku so it's gonna take way more than a million multipliers to surpass beerus
I guess in the new clause of the Potara fusion being "truly" permanent, they can't use the dragon balls to defuse; but Kibito Kai used the dragon balls to defuse into Kibito & Supreme Kai.
But would Vegito want to defuse? I mean, Vegito is neither Goku nor Vegeta, he's a wholey third being, created by their fusion, and seems to enjoy being who he is
@@oliverholm3973 not really they have memories of being fused that seem to suggest they remember what is their influence and what is the other ones influence if I’m remembering correctly
Perhaps Kibito and Kai being non-mortal would have something to do with it. This would at least have room in the lore considering that in this version of the timeline, human fusion is permanent. Maybe the scales would flip in this way.
@@coyolord8031 spirit fission> ANYTHING IN DBS Vegeta & Goku are the only equals remember that even Gohan catching up will get left in the wind by some new ability of Goku's & Vegeta's end of z versions trust spirit fission too broken
@komodeesan yes but by definition shouldn't the super dragon balls be even more broken? I doubt vegeta could do something they couldn't, I mean they restored the universes that were previously deleted by zeno after all. Not sure why carthu went with this to be honest.
@@BionicalSoul Vegeta definitely can't surpass what the super Dragonballs can do considering they can LITERALLY grant any wish imaginable but whatever dude talking about I'll look it up but I don't see how the super Dragonballs couldn't defuse any fusion imaginable unless the fusion has REALITY abilities but Vegeta's spirit fission is specifically meant to dissipate energy which means to make energy leave one area and get absorbed into his own power which nothing could defend against unless like I said they do strong together they unawarely breaks reality
It's not even Vegito being op. I just like his personality, and with less conflict for big chunks of time, there can be a lot of character development. Enemies could just be upgraded, so they don't get steamrolled. An explanation could be that that's one of those universal laws: The stronger you get, the stronger your adversaries.
That seems to be how it works. For shaky reasons, it feels like the entire setting is constantly being rebalanced to the top fighters like multiplayer matchmaking, or more accurately the Oblivion levelling system.
@@Supahdenning Sometimes it's a shame that stories stay away from huge different concepts prolly because people might say it's an ass pull that justifies the whole power scaling. But seriously, you just have to sell it correctly and not make it too intrusive. Better than not to address the coincidental power matching at all.
@@daelaenor I think the power escalation should've been toned down on Namek, with Freeza's 530.000 already being more than enough for his full power to be overwhelming. Shooting up to 120M and needing to make SSJ a 50x multiplier is why things get silly from then on.
@@Supahdenning It wouldn't have been silly if they had illustrated it correctly. A fight between SSJB and Golden Freezer should have shaken the universe and destroyed earth just from fists alone. Fights should reach their climax in a matter of seconds since they're all faster than a human's brain can compute and the eyes can see.
I know this is a year late, but I'm never bored of Dragon Ball, as "Perfect" a Warrior Vegito may be, I'd still be interested to see at least a second part that does continue to the Granolah Arc and maybe even including SuperHero
Sidenote, not to tell you how to run your channel but if you do consider this request of sorts but are in the air about length, I'd understand if you make it a short video like this one instead of a series! I still enjoy your content with or without acknowledgement here! Please continue to make videos! 🙏
You need *good hearted* sayains. So unfortunately Paragus wouldn't qualify and they would have to somehow separate him and broly to get broly to do it.
@@Bread. that's something that bothers me a lot in dragonball.... Wtf does good-hearted mean?! If vegeta is considered good then paragus shouldn't be a problem at all. Vegeta does a lot of horrible things because he thinks it's the right way to achieve the right goal. Paragus did the same. He did a lot of awful things but because he thought it's the best for broly and not because he was pure evil. So what makes someone good hearted? The way you achieve the right goal? Then vegeta and paragus both wouldn't be considered good hearted. The right intention? Then vegeta and paragus are both not bad guys. It's a thin line and dragonball doesn't make clear how that line works which is important when you have literally attacks that only harm bad people!
A good way to make the AU more "workable" would be to have it so the 'bad air' within Majin Buu's body actually messes with the Potara like it was originally suggested to, except it has the effect of 'solidfying' the fusion with Buu's magic or something like that.
I think the wife problem is super easy to fix. Vegito's fusion is permanent, so it doesn't matter if he removes the potara earrings or not. He hands them to both wives and they fuse as well. All the children would just then be siblings and share their parents. I feel like the wives wouldn't have a fusion name, though, as it would make the legality of Capsule Corp ownership a little sticky. So they just stick with Bulma's name. This has been my AU headcanon for a long time 😅
@@shadowblade5303 Not at all. Vegeta, Goku, Chichi and Bulma are not related in any way. The goten and Gohan would stay as regular brothers, they’d just have a step brother trunks. Not like they have any attraction to each other.
Honnestly, the fanfic Dragon Ball Multiverse solved it in another way, that is quite interesting, and more legit in my opinion (I doubt Chichi and Bulma would agree to fuse just because their husbands fused): Chichi tells Bulma she can have Vegito, because since Goku has been dead for years, she's already used to not having him around. In this universe (technically it's a timeline, but they call them universes in DB Multiverse) Vegito is Bulma's husband and Bra's father, but he still often goes to visit Chichi, Gohan, Goten and Pan.
@@DevVy-WeVvy but quite realistic imagine ur identity being made up of basically 2 people identities mixed up together and to make it worse u don’t even know the 2 people LOL
Bruh, the Gohan and Frieza fight would’ve been sick. Imagine how disrespectful Gohan could be. Just as he’s about to defeat him, he reverts to Super Saiyan - the form that struck fear in Frieza’s heart all those years ago.
Is it my own feeling or does everyone thinks that this is a perfect simplification of Dragon ball Story if the fusion could have been eternal? You did a good work.
Yeah, I disagree with the wish not working. The super dragon balls are supposed to be able to grant any wish. The whole point of it is that it was limitless. Also, we've seen them bring back people and even universes that don't exist anymore before after the tournament of power. But I guess consistency takes a back seat to the plot in the anime too, so why not?
I could work if they said that with time goku and vegeta merged more and more to the point there is no goku and vegeta anymore just vegeto. I don't know if I'm explaining right but this would mean vegeto has become more than a fusion but an entirely new being meaning he can't be unfused
Wait, Before Potara was retconned, the explanation was that it was Buu's magic that split up Vegito. If they kept that, and saved Fat Buu, they could still defuse using Buu's magic.
The idea is that the fusion is permanent which means the fusion cannot be undone. In the what if itself not even super shenron could defuse them and buu is definitely not stronger than super shenron.
@@uigokublack2478 in the original, Vegito unfused when he put his barrier down while inside Buu, meaning that Buu's energy/magic unfused Vegito. /watch?v=WkWybX256as That was the established fact, the "mortals time limit' was something introduced many years after, meaning they retconned a previously established fact as just as a coincidence, the coincidence being that at the same time Vegito lowered his barrier, his "time limit" was up. I hope i was clear enough
My only issue with this interpretation of a permanent Vegito is that he wouldn't ask to be defused. Vegito and Gogeta are their own unique people, just like Gotenks is. Goku and Vegeta (and subsequently Trunks and Goten) become one unique person with their own personalities. The dominant aspects of each person fuse together to make a potara fusion. If actually permanent, Vegito would be perfectly happy being around
If Porunga can split the potara fusion of Kibito and Shin, then there is no way Super Shenron cannot split Vegito. I mean he's powerful enough to restore multiple universes in an instant.
It’s specifically stated that Super Shenron’s wish power is Omnipotent. No restrictions or limitations at all. Regardless if you want to Potara Fusion permanent, you can’t change and bend the source material because it leaves so many plot holes, makes the what if have inconsistencies and it pisses the fans of the franchise off.
@@cultistaautista The only issue here is that you'd have to state KobitoKai is still a thing. Since you'd have to retcon the split there. Not too hard to be honest.
It's called carthu dojo's logic. He assumes that super shenron can't split vegito. But still believes that if Goku Vegeta and Gohan knows about the ritual, and won't get dende to upgrade the time chamber to perfect it
Vegeto to literally every other bad guy ever: "blah blah blah, you'll go down in one punch so whatever...I've heard it all before just come at me". One punch man of DB.
Was pretty interesting. But I will say, that super shenron should have easily been able to split them. Kibuto Kai wished to be split back into Kibito and Supreme Kai, and it had worked
Both of y'all are stupid he uses information from the Manga and Anime as best as he can for his what if just because it's not canon doesn't meen he can do wild stuff that wouldn't make sense
the fact that Gohan could keep up with SSGSS or SSJB Goku in Super shows how insane his potential actually is! his Ultimate form is so damn powerful and allows Gohan to utelise MORE power then he originally has! the old kai might be an old perv, but my GOD does his technique really do something about power boosting!
I would compare Goku and Gohan to Superman and Supergirl. Goku is the main character and represents strength through will power, just like Superman. But Gohan represents POTENTIAL strength, just like Supergirl. There's the theory that she has the potential to be greater than Clark could ever hope to imagine, because she orbited the sun for years after Clark already landed. Both these examples are great pieces of writing, and I wish I saw the comparison of Strength vs Potential more often in stories!
@@noxx5157 super man does not wipe at all base goku has clearly shown better feats and actually worked for his power unlike superman who was given everything
@@dylanbyrne6160 Love how I try to make a cool comment about will power and potential, and there's always one guy who turns it into an argument of Superman vs Goku. I was comparing their CHARACTER and their roles in their respective stories. Not their power.
@@McBlazington if being too OP is stretched to the extent of being the point of the show it can work, and be really comedic and entertaining but if it’s not and there’re just too op it’s boring most of the tim
@@JToaster Yes. We have to remember that Saitama is more or less a gag charater. The point of the show was to poke fun of the insanely super powered tropes. Of course, OPM focus on Saitama have become less and less as the show progresses. Genos is doing most of the fighting villians, meanwhile Saitama is joining in pointless tournaments and hanging out with King.
@@thepsychicspoon5984 yea I agree that those shows are good because being so OP is the point, it’s not just, dang this main characters kinda op this sucks, it’s literally the point that he’s crazy op
11:00 This is kinda dumb considering super shenron could restore multiple entire universes but you're saying it couldn't restore two saiyans to a pre-fused state.
@@Bobothewin the dbs manga, kibito-kai uses the namekian dragon balls to unfuse even though it’s permanent for supreme kai, i agree that super shenron should have been able to split vegito
this is a big nerf for super shenron super dragon balls is literally made to make any imposible wish EDIT:just realised even supreme kai and kibito defused
Exactly, the super dragon balls should have allowed the defusion of Goku and Vegeta to happen regardless of the Potara earrings. It grants ANY wish but some measly earings can stop an almighty dragon 😂
@GxDLY 007 The Necrophobic dbz humans are dumb in just 20 years the kid who saved them from king Piccolo or the guys who were standing against the saiyans were that easily forgotten?
@GxDLY 007 The Necrophobic Um they literally listen to Hercule like he's god all he needs to do is calm all the people down and explain everything that fat buu isn't bad and he befriended him and that him and other warriors one of which was Goku the boy who saved them from demon king piccolo all those years ago and Vegeta the husband of Bulma Briefs manged to separate him from the evil one that absorbed him and then during the final fight he came out and helped them fight the evil one while Goku charged a technique using everyone's energy to kill buu hence why they asked for all the energy, and then the people would be calm and chill about it and they would just treat Buu like a person. And they'd also know that Goku and his friends had still been helping protect them all of them for all these years and they probably treat them as the heroes they are as well. And maybe Goku and the gang would tell their stories while of course making it seem like Hercule helped in the Cell games and Buu fight but they'd say Gohan really killed Cell and that Goku helped him from beyond the grave, but they would say Hercule was blinded or something so he thought he beat him when he didn't.
@@adrianaardila1321 As of now you'd be surprised to see another human flying without a gadget. Now imagine a voice in your head told you all that shit vegeta said, you wouldn't believe him at all.
@@davonlo9298 dude there is difference between hearing all of that in a second and FREAKING KING PICCOLO the guy literally had tormented the earth 300 years ago and when he was free his demons caused caos releasing every murderer and killing marcial artists now you're telling me that all of that stuff was easily forgotten? What about the saiyans? Did you know the destruction that nappa did was NEVER fixed? The dragon balls weren't used up to the end of namek saga where they revived anyone killed by Freezer and his man then take everyone to the earth from new namek and revive the Z fighters and the saiyans were TELEVISED how did they saw vegeta in the cell games and not recognize him as one of the aliens that turned an entire City into a cráter Either they are super dumb of have terrible abnesia
@Rellyali1987 I mean, he wasn't even that weal all in all, as he was able to, albeit briefly, fight off to seperate enemies who had base Frieza power levels
@@youngsage2207 meant in the way that he always trains in what ifs he rarely doesnt train and when he doesnt hes outclassed heavily thats what i meant fam
I always thought the reason vegito used the name ‘kakarot’ was because vegita truly believed in and loved his race and was always mildly insulted by goku getting a human name. Guku being fused with with vegita would empathize with this sentiment much more. Especially since goku has never been even remotely insulted by his birth name
If Vegito never defused, Toriyama might (finally) make someone else the main character! Edit: I know people say this a lot, but this may be the most likes I've ever had. Glad it's this one, there's at least something behind it with Toriyama's mc history..
follow twitter.com/carthusdojo EDIT: Since people seem confused, this video is about Potara being PERMANENT. That means NOTHING can undo it - that’s the point. The Namekian Dragon Balls worked for Kibito Kai in DBS, but they wouldn’t here - so he’s still KibitoKai. Idk why people want this what if to be “Vegito stays fused till he collects the Dragon Balls” but that’s not the point at all.
Well, they had one wish left before Beerus told Shenron to get lost. That wish could have been to bring them or locate another pure hearted Saiyan. They go to Universe 6 and borrow Cabba, the end. So there's a lot of possibilities there.
I think it's important to mention that Kibitokai actually split apart with the dragon balls back into Kibito and Supreme Kai, but I guess it's a bit late for that.
I think the limit to revive someone once was removed when the dragonballs were upgraded by Dende? other than that, I loved watching this what if and plan to watch a few more while I'm here!
Honestly when it comes to the personality of vegito in how he approaches his fights, I think it's more the fact the vegito just wants to display his dominance and that's why he finishes his opponents so quickly
Nah, I think the reason for ending his fights quickly is because of his Vegeta side. Maybe not during of before the Cell arc, but after that, Vegeta would think anyone who toys with his opponent instead of finishing off once they know they can win is a complete moron
@@cosmefulanito6854 That's true. He did try to end it quickly with Majin Buu instead of trying to last longer like Goku would. Also I don't think Goku would sacrifice himself in that kind of way either. Which really speaks to how brash Vegeta was in comparison. That personality was a lot more hardcore
"I can bring back erased universes but I cannot split up two people who have fused permanently" I'm thinking that permanently really means permanent as in nothing would be able to separate them
I personally think there could be an interesting conflict with him dealing with his new identity. Maybe that could balance out how overpowered he is. Perhaps not having the time to see all his kids, not having as good of a spar partner, dealing with the mixed personalities/thoughts of both. I think it could go well.
Not having a Good Spar Partner is a maybe as Beerus might still be more powerful that Vegito but that's a maybe as Vegito could have surpassed him at ultra instinct
@@SansMbvin this instance gohan should be up to snuff to be as good a sparring partner as any, if 1 year had him where he was before the ToP 5 years with vegito would be night and day
Gogeta is less decisive than vegito if you think about it. Goku saw the good in broly and wanted him to live so gogeta did the opposite and tried to kill him. Vegeta hated that frieza was alive and wanted to kill him so gogeta did the opposite and let him go. Vegito actually tried to get absorbed by buu and tried to kill zamasu. Gogeta just tortured broly for a while and decided to kill him at the end when he got bored.
@@Iron_potato40k Feels like Gogeta would have received Broly in the end, but I guess you have a point, Gogeta takes things seriously, sometimes he won't take any chances at all.
That actually makes sense. It creates a huge impact in the story, as fusion can never be undone via any means. Characters would not use it as additional power up, but more like an ultimate sacrifice.
@@Klanosek what does? Supreme kai split the peemanent fusion with fodder dragonballs so it really doesnt make any sense that the super dragonballs who granted zamasu true immortality which made it impossible for him to even be killed by a god of destruction cant do it.
@@nekoluxuria7721 The video retcons the idea that the potara fusions are permament and cannot be undone via any means, so it is understandable that the Shenron and Super Shenron wouldn't be able to do it, since the essence of both warriors no longer exist.
@@topboy3269 he would. toryiama stated in an interview that for a simple scaling if beerus was a 10, whis would be a 15 and god goku a 7. also if you really watched it you should know that the multiplier of the fusion + the blue form itself is much higher than whis could be.
Yeah this video basically Vegito beating everybody, but with cameo appearances of Ultimate Gohan curb stomping Golden Frieza. Still hoping to come back is: What if Gohan was like Goku? Anyways this was still another good one-shot, and looking forward to the next part soon. What if suggestion: What if Gohan trained with Vegeta after the Cell Games?
Wait... wouldn't Frieza's scouts inform Frieza about the merge in Resurrection F, causing Frieza to at least consider longer training, thus causing him to be more of a threat?
they will still use "they beat majin boo" as a reference, I don't think them fusing will change Frieza's training time, he'll just think vegito is as strong as goku in the original series since they both "beat majin boo"
Not really actually. Frieza only trained to surpass Buu. Cuz all the intel his scouts had was Goku beat Buu. He knew nothing of Beerus or God Ki. All Frieza would know is that Vegito is stronger than Buu. Thats it.
They probably still solo Moro, Granolah, and Gas. The only problem would be black frieza, but with ultra instict and a way higher potential they should be able to beat him. Though its hard to say sinse we dont know exactly how strong black frieza is.
I agree Vegito wouldn't go back to either chi chi or Bulma, he would be even more of a training addict. Although since Vegito doesn't go to either of them, Bra won't be born, who would be the perfect protector to replace Vegito when he's gone because her power is disgusting. Wouldn't Vegito black be unable to fuse with zamasu as well since he's already a fused being.
Who said there was a limit in fusions? I know for the fusion dance you need someone with a matching power level and someone around the same height. The potara earings i think you may be able to just put on someone else's and keep fusing not 100% sure i just don't recall their being any limit.
@@phosphophyllite6972 seeing as how vegito's daughter bra isn't a real character, but a character from Universe 16 in the multiverse series, I wouldn't be surprised if you don't know what I'm talking about. She's an absolute beast of a fighter. When she was possessed by Babidi in the multiversal tournament, she literally killed almost everyone since Vegito had been teleported away. She was a brutal beast it was amazing
They would perform the ritual twice since Vegito is still 2 characters, meaning that Goku and Vegeta individually could each play a role in the ritual, therefore allowing them to both become super saiyan god
In my opinion, a great chance was missed for the super saiyan god ritual. First, Tarble is canon if I recall correctly, so instead of using the asspulled move of saying Vegito counts as 2, you could have him remember about Tarble. But you could have when with something even more interesting: have Whis check his staff to try and find another saiyan alive, and, you guessed it, find Broly. Having Broly intervene that soon in the story could have been the basis for a lot of cool things. On a side note, for the problem of who Vegito says with (Bulma or Chichi), I quite like the solution they found in Dragon Ball Multiverse (a fanfic about a tournament with different timelines competing against each other, each timeline expect the "canon" one is a what-if). Chichi tells Vegito to go with Bulma, because as Goku's already been dead for years, she's used to not having him around.
@@vKILLZ0NEv vegeta changed. Broly is not known enough. The berserk form isn’t kind at all. And regarding the old DB broly movie he’s not kind either. Vegeta is much more warm-hearted.
@@langzeitstratege3191 DBZ Broly isn't canon. Broly as he has been portrayed in Super COUULD absolutely be considered pure hearted. Sure, we don't see very much of him but again, modern day Vegeta is an asshole. So if he counts Broly 100% counts.
Didn't you know that there are 2 pairs of earrings? After vegeta destroyed the first pair then one of the kais gave another pair of earrings so basically what I'm saying is that chi chi and bulma could fuse. It would be kind of funny if trunks and goten used the pottara though
I'd love to see a version of Dragon Ball where the fusion is permanent in every way, but have some clear downside to the fusion like either... They tire out faster or transformations don't last long. Something like that.
@@-ferno4333 honestly if he never defused its just vegeta and gokus power up times vegito fusion but i dont think it would been good due to fact goku and vegeta got near dead experiences and hard fights is why they started to train harder like you could see with vegeta after he lost to goku black and goku after he almost lost to hit and so on and they had the rivalry going on between goku and vegeta if they dont have that i doub they would have become as sttong they are as today always getting everything on silver plate doesn't always have to be the best
I fon't think it would be that hard. With the traits from vegeta he would be far more able to make gohan train by chosing the right words. And gohan could train like people do in real life, training even for a few hours each week, maybe going to the time chamber to get those few hours in a few seconds outside would be more than enough with his potential
No, both Vegeta and Goku hokd high regard for Gohan. In fact, the only person Vegeta personally apologized to was gohan, after saving his life from cell. Vegito would be proud of Gohan
6:43 I understand that they would have no clue of anything going on, but bringing Broly and Paragus into the ritual is still a possibility as well, as both are also Saiyans. Whis might could probably detect their presence with his staff before he and Beerus travel to Earth, and retrieve them after realizing they’re a Saiyan short. Bit of a stretch, but it could happen.
"I don't get why people don't understand clearly explained dragon ball mechanics" *dragon ball retconning it's own mechanics just to pass the time on a sunday*
I just love how hesitant Vegeta is to fuse, but when they're Vegito or Gogeta they're always just happy to be there
I think a lot of that is due to how well the work together since goku and vegeta have a strong rivalry bond and respect one another and the power is increased.
YOSHA
@@spadesofpaintstudios1719 thats is a power boost of vegito's but not sute for gogeta
@@Antwineantoine it’s likely the same although we know there’s differences in fusion
Yeah, it confused me too, but then i kept hearing “im neither goku nor vegeta” so now i think even tho hes called a fusion, hes not actually a mix, i think hes a completely different fighter and person than both of them summoned by vegeta and goku placing the earings on each one
Alt. Title: Vegito longplays: Entire DB timeline speedrun every %
🤣 to true
Ft gohan
Lol MINECRAFT SPEEDRUN TIME
DUDUDUDU
damn, true
Zamasu is going to be pissed seeing a mortal not only being permanently fused using the Potara but also using Godly Abilities lol
Not only that, stole his earrings too!
@@WilbertMoore "YOU DAMN MORTALS!"
@@Sword_Man_YT YOU SHALL PAY FOR STEALING GODLY DRIP 💧
@@frostwalker9877 lol
@@Sword_Man_YT lol
11:00 Restoring a whole multiverse in an instant: I sleep
A couple of earrings: Real shit
Super Shenron: ez multiversal repair
Also Super Shenron: Unfuse you? That wish is beyond my power.
that part of the video kinda irked me. supreme kai and kibito unfused using the namekian dragon balls.
@@harrisontabor3335 for the sake of the video ig but it is also running on different potara rules since obviously Super rules says mortals fuse for an hour
@@harrisontabor3335i think this is before that happened in the manga so he assumed they were permanent forever
@seduyo definitely after it happened, theyre unfused by the time universe 7v6 happened
With Vegito, they would've had one more spot available for the Torunament of Power.
They could've included Yamcha and that would've made all the difference.
Broly shows up lol
or they could've brought back cell with the dragon balls and include him in the top
@@alien9449 bardock
@@scapingdaydream dude bardo k would get clapped so fast with all these new characters he’s never seen.
Broly would be a much better choice
For the family issue of this concept I always saw vegito, chichi, and goten moving into capsule Corp and all of them living together as one big family
true ending
why not fusing everyone? then there is no actual problem at all and with gotenks permanently fused he can also be really powerful and redeem himself... i guess you could go a far stretch and make it so merged zamasu occurs if you really want to stress it so trunks and mai stay and then you fuse them with gohan and videl (after mai and trunks have a bady so you could fuse their baby with pan) and then you have a truly big family of just fusions.... not only that but the warriors coming from the family would just be.... insane.... this is stretching it far too much but whatever
just imagine the raw potential of the fusions and the transformation combinations there would be.... kaio ken and evolved..... ikari and ultimate.... even if it only is the main super saiyan forms the fusions would be insane
@@max_garcia then you start fusing the kids they all have down the line
@@max_garcia holy shit, fusion family. Thats nice. What would even happen if two fusions bang each other?
@@max_garcia Good idea, though he'd be called Trunkten instead.
Goku: Once we merged we’ll be stuck in that form..forever.
Vegeta: Imbecile!
Vegeta: You tell me that now
@@oggypilestro6343 Don't you think that's important information?!
@@-ASTROMAGIC yoshaaaaaaaa!
Pathetic 🤭
Bruh buus belly is stronger than the dragon that’s the strongest in the multiverse he literally couldn’t do something buus belly did
Love how you immediately (after dealing with Buu & the after-effects) addressed the issue of Vegito's bigamy. Technically, he's powerful enough that nobody could stop him, and Chi-Chi lives in a remote enough location that Vegito *could* visit her, but that obviously doesn't take into account the feelings of the spouses.
I like your solution, as it makes the most sense canonically.
Naw. The best way is to go full ham and cheese and have Bulma and Chichi use the potara too.
@@DanielMWJ screw it, fuse goten and trunks too, and then fuse that fusion with gohan
Given how much importance they each give to their wives, I think Vegito would quite simply choose Bulma, after some reluctance.
@@DanielMWJYour mind must be absolutely nightmarish if you aren't just kidding about that.
@@Dogan_TM Do you not understand what "going full ham and cheese" is?
A hilarious scenario I have for Chi-Chi and Bulma is how they also fuse using the potara in desperation, creating the universe's strongest wife material. Imagine the strength of her and Vegito's child. Might as well end the series there if I'm being honest.
@skee magee or Chima maybe lol
They dont even need the Potara, just learn the Fusion Dance and have a 30 min "fun time" with Vegito
If they want to stay with him longer there's still the option of asking Shenlong to merge them in a way that can be reverted later, if Bulma was willing to use the dragon balls to make herself younger she certainly would be for that
Though if none of those options were available yeah they could go with the Potara
That’s what I was hoping to hear happen. Kind of sad no one ever takes that route. Pretty sure that the Potara fusion is Chima, while the dance version is Bulchi, with each one physically taking more after the person who’s name came first in the fusion name.
as weird as this may sound, i always did wonder what would happen if a fusion... yknow, especially a fusion with a time limit like Gogeta and canon Vegito
@skee magee haa
"Which wife will Vegito choose?"
My brain immediately: Both? Both. Both. Both is good.
Yeah if Chichi refused maybe Vegito might even do something to her
@@TartagliaThe_11th_McDsEmployee Whatt NOooooooo U fool He's part Goku he would never
Yeah, I don't see why he couldn't choose both. Or have Chi chi and Bulma fuse. Problem solved.
@@momogoes3329 my brain: heh heh HEH HEH
@@momogoes3329 Like Vegeta and Kakarot they wudnt wanna Fuse either I mean who fckng like join bodies u knw man if there's no point in Actuality at all
Vegito: WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOUR FAMILY DIED AND YOU LOST YOUR JOB!? THINK GOHAN THHHIINNNKKKKK!!!!
Gohan: *pain noises*
Underrated bro
Holy fffffff
He never actually said think mark think he just said think mark
@@rebeccalogan5959 the comics he said it twice.
Dodge!!!
This was literally a thing in that popular fan Dragon Ball Multiverse manga with multiple universes fighting in a tournament that was around years before the tournament of power and Dragonball Super.
One of the universes had a Vegito that just never chose to unfuse. He ended up just being with both Chichi and Bulma iirc. The Bra from that universe came from Vegito and was also silly strong.
Oh I remember that
Pretty awesome, besides some questionable writing here and there.
Ngl vegito deciding to have both seems like a pretty toriyama way to do things
Slight correction: he doesn't stay with both Chichi and Bulma, Chichi gives him up, sayong Goku's already been dead for so long that it doesn't make sense to make Bulma lose her husband. He continues to be a father to Gohan and Goten, but spends more of his time with Bulma, leading to Bra being born from Vegito's combined powers, and hence turning into the powerhouse that she ends up.
I just caught up on current, so it's fresh in my mind. Also, a fantastic story for anyone who likes DBZ, especially if they like what-if scenarios.
"What if Vegetto never unfused?"
Action Replay x1000000
@GxDLY 007 The Necrophobic more like developer type shit
This is beautiful.
I've looked at this for 5 hours now.
@@Abdallayamin Cheat Engine
Dbz Buu's fury speedrun any% cheats on
The real question is what if they never fused
In this episode Vegito glares at every saga and wins without trying.
Ikr
lol no cap :)
Literally just breathes on them and they just get destroyed beyond repair
Except Beerus since Potara isn’t enough to close the God of Destruction’s full power gap.
@@calvinkopp1735 IMO vegito blue beats beerus
I’d like to believe that the longer Vegito exists, the more he becomes his own being and Goku and vegeta become completely merged. So what if the potara earrings could only be used so many times before it fully merges its users? Pretty cool concept I think
Like he eventually stops having 2 voices?
@@virgilhawkins5680 idk. It’s hard to imagine vegito or gogeta without their fused voice lol. It’s just fun to think about imo
What if they have to fuse but if they do they are fused permanently?
@@DavidCruz-ei4qz I'd like to introduce the fusion dance method.
There's probably some weight to that if you look at the manga. In the Goku Black arc, Fused Zamasu didn't properly separate like Vegito did. Whether it's because of Zamasu's immortality or not is unclear.
“Which wife will Vegito choose?”
Bulma and chi-chi: “FUSION DANCE”
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He would definitely have the Kai’s give him another set of Potara for his wives
Cheat and be loyal all at the same time.
Or potara
Technically speaking he wouldn't ever cheat, like never, cause hes BOTH their husband at the same time.@@sor3999
you forgot when vegito hits himself and you can hear "why are you hitting yourself kakarot"
when does this happen
@@sn4ke16 it's a joke
Would totally fit to him, but we know this is impossible. It is not like a body used by 2, its a whole different guy with the traits of both. Bot I would die laughing to a moment like that 😂
@@gordoterremotanquederaviol7289 oh i thought it was real
Thats a pretty convincing story lmao, im gonna go get hired at dragon ball place
Everytime I see a Vegito "What If" the Dragonball Multiverse comic always comes up. The part where Vegito doesn't choose Chi Chi or Bulma was a brilliant move.
sigma grindset
I liked this fan comic that had Vegito living with both but he used Instant Transmission to essentially live two lives lmao
Correct me if I'm wrong but there is many people in Russia or other countries where some people have even more than just two wives
Carthu: Things become easy, “for a *little* while.”
Also Carthu: *Explains how Vegito solos the rest of super*
bruh
@Xene Dvalin this is a vegito that had been training for countless years. Was already Ssjb level even before he got god ki and has far more potential then almost anyone else in the series. This vegito would far beyond any fusion we have seen in the actual series and would probably already have access to ultra instinct. Jiren would stand no chance against him
@Xene Dvalin he’s quite literally the combination of goku and vegeta. Goku had a hard time achieving ui because he’s too relaxed and vegeta couldn’t because he was too on edge all the time. Did you not watch the what if or?
@Xene Dvalin I mean considering what whis said, yes the fusion should 100% be able to use ultra instinct, especially considering he has more time to train since he doesn’t have to stay with the family or do any work. Vegito having the mindset of both goku and vegeta will automatically make him the perfect student to master ultra instinct. Not that he’d even need it to defeat jiren. Again did you even watch the what if?
@Xene Dvalin did you not watch the Frieza saga in super? Whis literally says that goku is too relax whereas vegeta isn’t at all. Just because it was literally the reason why he lost against Frieza in the first place. Goku did not have the correct mindset during that arc, only that he was closer to get it in comparison to vegeta.
Such a well-spoken and thorough video
"Vegito easily defeated buu before he could transform"
Anime: we dont do that here
This is why i prefer manga
@@lingardinho835 hm?
@@Arcticmonkeylvr manga sure is black and white but better, the anime shows the things without sense
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Many of the characters, like both Goku and Vegeta are purposely made arrogant and want to fight their opponents at full power, so the story would appear interesting…
Vegito: Can you grant literally any wish?
Super Shenron: Yes
Vegito: then unfuse me
Super Shenron: no
Edit: i'm surprised that nobody has called me out for writing "unfuse"
Vegito:mean
Lord Kakarot the God of Destruction: Hold my Spirit powers and Hakai!
I Died from this comment lol🤣
This comment is underrated 😂😂😂
Super Shenron: Brings back 11 Universe's
Also Super Shenron: Sorry Vegito, that's beyond my reach
That’s why I liked the Potara Fusion from Shin Bodukai (PSP games) so much.
Because in that story setting it was permanent, until someone used the Dragon Balls to split the Fusion.
Both Shin budokai were literally what if games and i loved that about them
I have a psp too! But I only have Tenkaichi Budokai Tag team 😐
@@jpoliva313 I love both games
They hadn't retconned it at that point. Still, they're the same people that made Budokai 2 and somehow Vegito just de-fused on the second to last stage of Story Mode or whatever it's called with no rhyme or reason. Considering how op they made Kid Buu in that game, why wasn't it an option to keep playing as Vegito for the last stage? Probably would've been too easy I guess.
2:25 Solution: Have Chichi and Bulma fuse
True
ive been watching these "if vegito never unfused" videos and none of them have the extent of knowledge like you, thanks
Vegito: Beats the shit out of gohan
"What if your family, and i, Died? What will happen to earth? Who will be the protector?! THINK GOHAN THINK"
I'm surprised that no one replied good mem
If vegito is defeated, unless Berus steps up they r all very screwed
@@hjeb1986 vegito would've very likely surpassed beerus early on into super, maybe in resurrection f or universe 6 tournament
@@hjeb1986 considering he is basically infinitely stronger than ssj3 goku and ultimate gohan, the first time going ssjg wouldve at worse probably equal or be just weaker to beerus, and considering he has the multiplied potential of both goku and vegeta in this, beerus would be no match likely
@@ToxicNoxic it's been confirmed in the manga that even with mui Beerus is still almost infinitely stronger than Goku so it's gonna take way more than a million multipliers to surpass beerus
I guess in the new clause of the Potara fusion being "truly" permanent, they can't use the dragon balls to defuse; but Kibito Kai used the dragon balls to defuse into Kibito & Supreme Kai.
The story works better with them stuck but yeah that was something i caught immediately x3. I would rather they just not ask for it
@Trevor Bvochora no they said that they used the earth dragon balls to defuse
But would Vegito want to defuse? I mean, Vegito is neither Goku nor Vegeta, he's a wholey third being, created by their fusion, and seems to enjoy being who he is
@@oliverholm3973 not really they have memories of being fused that seem to suggest they remember what is their influence and what is the other ones influence if I’m remembering correctly
Perhaps Kibito and Kai being non-mortal would have something to do with it. This would at least have room in the lore considering that in this version of the timeline, human fusion is permanent. Maybe the scales would flip in this way.
Do you think forced spirit fission would be able too defuse them? Because Vegeta said he could defuse permanent fusions like piccolo and nail
Then yes
i mean in this what-if not even the SUPER DRAGON BALLS could defuse them. so idk
@@coyolord8031 spirit fission> ANYTHING IN DBS Vegeta & Goku are the only equals remember that even Gohan catching up will get left in the wind by some new ability of Goku's & Vegeta's end of z versions trust spirit fission too broken
@komodeesan yes but by definition shouldn't the super dragon balls be even more broken? I doubt vegeta could do something they couldn't, I mean they restored the universes that were previously deleted by zeno after all. Not sure why carthu went with this to be honest.
@@BionicalSoul Vegeta definitely can't surpass what the super Dragonballs can do considering they can LITERALLY grant any wish imaginable but whatever dude talking about I'll look it up but I don't see how the super Dragonballs couldn't defuse any fusion imaginable unless the fusion has REALITY abilities but Vegeta's spirit fission is specifically meant to dissipate energy which means to make energy leave one area and get absorbed into his own power which nothing could defend against unless like I said they do strong together they unawarely breaks reality
It's not even Vegito being op. I just like his personality, and with less conflict for big chunks of time, there can be a lot of character development. Enemies could just be upgraded, so they don't get steamrolled. An explanation could be that that's one of those universal laws: The stronger you get, the stronger your adversaries.
That seems to be how it works. For shaky reasons, it feels like the entire setting is constantly being rebalanced to the top fighters like multiplayer matchmaking, or more accurately the Oblivion levelling system.
@@Supahdenning Sometimes it's a shame that stories stay away from huge different concepts prolly because people might say it's an ass pull that justifies the whole power scaling. But seriously, you just have to sell it correctly and not make it too intrusive. Better than not to address the coincidental power matching at all.
@@daelaenor I think the power escalation should've been toned down on Namek, with Freeza's 530.000 already being more than enough for his full power to be overwhelming. Shooting up to 120M and needing to make SSJ a 50x multiplier is why things get silly from then on.
@@Supahdenning It wouldn't have been silly if they had illustrated it correctly. A fight between SSJB and Golden Freezer should have shaken the universe and destroyed earth just from fists alone. Fights should reach their climax in a matter of seconds since they're all faster than a human's brain can compute and the eyes can see.
Something like in JoJo: stand users attract other stand users.
I know this is a year late, but I'm never bored of Dragon Ball, as "Perfect" a Warrior Vegito may be, I'd still be interested to see at least a second part that does continue to the Granolah Arc and maybe even including SuperHero
Sidenote, not to tell you how to run your channel but if you do consider this request of sorts but are in the air about length, I'd understand if you make it a short video like this one instead of a series! I still enjoy your content with or without acknowledgement here! Please continue to make videos! 🙏
I love Your politeness
@@Eric6761 Thats not polite thats pussy footing
Song name at 7:00?
@@S_Apologist its called erika.
Can we just address how good of a story teller this guy is I mean God damn
Ikr
Wow almost as if its his job
@@Marshallreall 😂
Don’t forget smugstick
Sheesh!
I appreciate how you sit at a desk for hours just to entertain us. your my favorite youtuber. I love you.
Vegito is a laundromat and his enemies are clothes, because he just WASHES everybody.
I wonder how good he would do against jiren
@@jashuapeterkin9432 he would clear the floor with him
@@roeital5504 actually they would be "even".
@@christopherford39 at ssb?
@@TheSwaggMiner no I mean he wouldn't be able to match Vegito that's why even was put like this:"even" instead of even
What if Whis told Vegito that there where two saiyans in a planet called Vampa (When the ritual was short of saiyans)
You need *good hearted* sayains. So unfortunately Paragus wouldn't qualify and they would have to somehow separate him and broly to get broly to do it.
@@Bread. just use Broly, they only need one more saiyan to replace Goku / Vegeta
@@kiddo7765 ... okay. That's why my comment says you have to separate paragus and broly in order to get broly to do the ritual.
I mean, there’s also Tarble:
@@Bread. that's something that bothers me a lot in dragonball.... Wtf does good-hearted mean?! If vegeta is considered good then paragus shouldn't be a problem at all. Vegeta does a lot of horrible things because he thinks it's the right way to achieve the right goal. Paragus did the same. He did a lot of awful things but because he thought it's the best for broly and not because he was pure evil. So what makes someone good hearted? The way you achieve the right goal? Then vegeta and paragus both wouldn't be considered good hearted. The right intention? Then vegeta and paragus are both not bad guys.
It's a thin line and dragonball doesn't make clear how that line works which is important when you have literally attacks that only harm bad people!
A good way to make the AU more "workable" would be to have it so the 'bad air' within Majin Buu's body actually messes with the Potara like it was originally suggested to, except it has the effect of 'solidfying' the fusion with Buu's magic or something like that.
2:30 the coward's answer. Vegito certainly has enough stamina for two wives.
Definitely
I think the wife problem is super easy to fix. Vegito's fusion is permanent, so it doesn't matter if he removes the potara earrings or not. He hands them to both wives and they fuse as well. All the children would just then be siblings and share their parents. I feel like the wives wouldn't have a fusion name, though, as it would make the legality of Capsule Corp ownership a little sticky. So they just stick with Bulma's name. This has been my AU headcanon for a long time 😅
This sounds like it's from alabama
@@shadowblade5303 You're not wrong 😅
@@shadowblade5303 Not at all. Vegeta, Goku, Chichi and Bulma are not related in any way. The goten and Gohan would stay as regular brothers, they’d just have a step brother trunks. Not like they have any attraction to each other.
Honnestly, the fanfic Dragon Ball Multiverse solved it in another way, that is quite interesting, and more legit in my opinion (I doubt Chichi and Bulma would agree to fuse just because their husbands fused): Chichi tells Bulma she can have Vegito, because since Goku has been dead for years, she's already used to not having him around. In this universe (technically it's a timeline, but they call them universes in DB Multiverse) Vegito is Bulma's husband and Bra's father, but he still often goes to visit Chichi, Gohan, Goten and Pan.
@@xegin1572 bruh just let vegito have them both as wives lmao
I could imagine vegito becoming paranoid and not knowing who he is and developing split personality disorder
That seems kinda dark
@@DevVy-WeVvy but quite realistic imagine ur identity being made up of basically 2 people identities mixed up together and to make it worse u don’t even know the 2 people LOL
@@darkbigster6062 guess that's why he wanted to split up xd, so he doesn't have to deal with that mess of a problem-
I don't see that happening imo
@@darkbigster6062 Ah yes, JoJolion.
Bruh, the Gohan and Frieza fight would’ve been sick.
Imagine how disrespectful Gohan could be. Just as he’s about to defeat him, he reverts to Super Saiyan - the form that struck fear in Frieza’s heart all those years ago.
As sick as that would be, gohan wouldn’t do that because his arrogance has been cleansed by vegito during some of their training sessions
Is it my own feeling or does everyone thinks that this is a perfect simplification of Dragon ball Story if the fusion could have been eternal? You did a good work.
Yeah, I disagree with the wish not working. The super dragon balls are supposed to be able to grant any wish. The whole point of it is that it was limitless. Also, we've seen them bring back people and even universes that don't exist anymore before after the tournament of power. But I guess consistency takes a back seat to the plot in the anime too, so why not?
I could work if they said that with time goku and vegeta merged more and more to the point there is no goku and vegeta anymore just vegeto. I don't know if I'm explaining right but this would mean vegeto has become more than a fusion but an entirely new being meaning he can't be unfused
Yeah, in the manga shin and kibito could unfuse even with the namekian dragon balls
Yeah but he needs content lol
Well, I thought super dragon balls don’t grant selfish wishes tho?
yeah
Wait, Before Potara was retconned, the explanation was that it was Buu's magic that split up Vegito. If they kept that, and saved Fat Buu, they could still defuse using Buu's magic.
The idea is that the fusion is permanent which means the fusion cannot be undone. In the what if itself not even super shenron could defuse them and buu is definitely not stronger than super shenron.
Plus the potara was never retconned as no explanation was given to the defusion pror to super.
Wait if this works does that mean
Boo > Super shenron
What ifs we dont do that here
@@uigokublack2478 in the original, Vegito unfused when he put his barrier down while inside Buu, meaning that Buu's energy/magic unfused Vegito. /watch?v=WkWybX256as
That was the established fact, the "mortals time limit' was something introduced many years after, meaning they retconned a previously established fact as just as a coincidence, the coincidence being that at the same time Vegito lowered his barrier, his "time limit" was up.
I hope i was clear enough
My only issue with this interpretation of a permanent Vegito is that he wouldn't ask to be defused. Vegito and Gogeta are their own unique people, just like Gotenks is. Goku and Vegeta (and subsequently Trunks and Goten) become one unique person with their own personalities. The dominant aspects of each person fuse together to make a potara fusion. If actually permanent, Vegito would be perfectly happy being around
Unless he cares about both his families enough to sacrifice himself to give his families their husbands and fathers back.
@@junoknobloch3830 that’s crazy lol
He knows goku and vegeta hate fusion and he knows it’s the right thing to do for his/their family so he’ll obviously do it
0:13 I think it was also explained at the time by the Magic of Buu defusing them.
And that's still the reason.
What if vegito never defused?
simple answer:
dbs becomes one punch man.
One punching Broly? I think not
But way stronge than one punch boi
Facts
@@divine1631 thinks yes
@@divine1631 i guess your username makes sense now
If Porunga can split the potara fusion of Kibito and Shin, then there is no way Super Shenron cannot split Vegito. I mean he's powerful enough to restore multiple universes in an instant.
It’s specifically stated that Super Shenron’s wish power is Omnipotent. No restrictions or limitations at all. Regardless if you want to Potara Fusion permanent, you can’t change and bend the source material because it leaves so many plot holes, makes the what if have inconsistencies and it pisses the fans of the franchise off.
Technically yes, but it's a what-if with a fixed rule so it has to ignore that aspect.
@@cultistaautista The only issue here is that you'd have to state KobitoKai is still a thing. Since you'd have to retcon the split there. Not too hard to be honest.
It's called carthu dojo's logic. He assumes that super shenron can't split vegito. But still believes that if Goku Vegeta and Gohan knows about the ritual, and won't get dende to upgrade the time chamber to perfect it
Yes that’s true but it could depend on how powerful they are
youre such an underrated youtuber, by far youre one of the best, I hope you get the recognition you deserve! Such an amazing video as always man!
Thank you so much!!
@@CarthusDojo My boy. 😂
@@CarthusDojo *What If Vegeto just stayed a Candy ? That's a serious "What If" ?*
*Would you illustrate that ?*
I love this video. Very nice story writing.
Vegeto to literally every other bad guy ever:
"blah blah blah, you'll go down in one punch so whatever...I've heard it all before just come at me".
One punch man of DB.
Was pretty interesting. But I will say, that super shenron should have easily been able to split them. Kibuto Kai wished to be split back into Kibito and Supreme Kai, and it had worked
It's almost as if it's a non canon what if
It's almost as if it's for the what if
Both of y'all are stupid he uses information from the Manga and Anime as best as he can for his what if just because it's not canon doesn't meen he can do wild stuff that wouldn't make sense
@@User_Here414 when did I say he can't do wild stuff that wouldn't make sense?
@@maazuponvelocity You didn't say much at all. In fact what you said at first was even dumber
the fact that Gohan could keep up with SSGSS or SSJB Goku in Super shows how insane his potential actually is! his Ultimate form is so damn powerful and allows Gohan to utelise MORE power then he originally has! the old kai might be an old perv, but my GOD does his technique really do something about power boosting!
I would compare Goku and Gohan to Superman and Supergirl. Goku is the main character and represents strength through will power, just like Superman. But Gohan represents POTENTIAL strength, just like Supergirl. There's the theory that she has the potential to be greater than Clark could ever hope to imagine, because she orbited the sun for years after Clark already landed. Both these examples are great pieces of writing, and I wish I saw the comparison of Strength vs Potential more often in stories!
@@ValthorEldr sorry but goku cant be compared to superman, superman obsorbed the power of a black hole so yeah no superman easily wipes
@@noxx5157 super man does not wipe at all base goku has clearly shown better feats and actually worked for his power unlike superman who was given everything
@@dylanbyrne6160 Love how I try to make a cool comment about will power and potential, and there's always one guy who turns it into an argument of Superman vs Goku. I was comparing their CHARACTER and their roles in their respective stories. Not their power.
@@noxx5157 He wasn't taliking about who would win
0:15 and now it's cuz buus special gas
yep
the time limit still exists
The moment you recognize that being OP create boring content, it's the moment you truly growth as a story creator
OPM, Mob Psycho and The Disastrous Life of Saiki K would like a word.
@@McBlazington if being too OP is stretched to the extent of being the point of the show it can work, and be really comedic and entertaining but if it’s not and there’re just too op it’s boring most of the tim
@@JToaster it's why SAO sucks but SAO abridged is good.
@@JToaster Yes. We have to remember that Saitama is more or less a gag charater. The point of the show was to poke fun of the insanely super powered tropes.
Of course, OPM focus on Saitama have become less and less as the show progresses.
Genos is doing most of the fighting villians, meanwhile Saitama is joining in pointless tournaments and hanging out with King.
@@thepsychicspoon5984 yea I agree that those shows are good because being so OP is the point, it’s not just, dang this main characters kinda op this sucks, it’s literally the point that he’s crazy op
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I love how elder Kia just wobbles across the screen
bruh the irony of zamasu stealing vegito's body as a punishment for his "sins"
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11:00 This is kinda dumb considering super shenron could restore multiple entire universes but you're saying it couldn't restore two saiyans to a pre-fused state.
because the whole point of this what if is that it's permanent
@@Bobothewin the dbs manga, kibito-kai uses the namekian dragon balls to unfuse even though it’s permanent for supreme kai, i agree that super shenron should have been able to split vegito
This is amazing, I love how you went into depth about every little detail, even the inconsequential ones.
this is a big nerf for super shenron super dragon balls is literally made to make any imposible wish
EDIT:just realised even supreme kai and kibito defused
Ik right like how did they go ssj god then?
Exactly, the super dragon balls should have allowed the defusion of Goku and Vegeta to happen regardless of the Potara earrings. It grants ANY wish but some measly earings can stop an almighty dragon 😂
It was for the sake of the vedio bro......
Yeah, but still, it SHOULD of had worked.
Narratively could've been cooler for them to split, then face off a vegito black, where zamasu forced them to fuse in his timeline before switching
One Idea I've never seen explored:
What if the wish to erase the memories of Majin Buu from Earth's population didn't happen?
@GxDLY 007 The Necrophobic hercule will calm the people and saying he befriend buu
@GxDLY 007 The Necrophobic dbz humans are dumb in just 20 years the kid who saved them from king Piccolo or the guys who were standing against the saiyans were that easily forgotten?
@GxDLY 007 The Necrophobic Um they literally listen to Hercule like he's god all he needs to do is calm all the people down and explain everything that fat buu isn't bad and he befriended him and that him and other warriors one of which was Goku the boy who saved them from demon king piccolo all those years ago and Vegeta the husband of Bulma Briefs manged to separate him from the evil one that absorbed him and then during the final fight he came out and helped them fight the evil one while Goku charged a technique using everyone's energy to kill buu hence why they asked for all the energy, and then the people would be calm and chill about it and they would just treat Buu like a person.
And they'd also know that Goku and his friends had still been helping protect them all of them for all these years and they probably treat them as the heroes they are as well.
And maybe Goku and the gang would tell their stories while of course making it seem like Hercule helped in the Cell games and Buu fight but they'd say Gohan really killed Cell and that Goku helped him from beyond the grave, but they would say Hercule was blinded or something so he thought he beat him when he didn't.
@@adrianaardila1321 As of now you'd be surprised to see another human flying without a gadget. Now imagine a voice in your head told you all that shit vegeta said, you wouldn't believe him at all.
@@davonlo9298 dude there is difference between hearing all of that in a second and FREAKING KING PICCOLO the guy literally had tormented the earth 300 years ago and when he was free his demons caused caos releasing every murderer and killing marcial artists now you're telling me that all of that stuff was easily forgotten? What about the saiyans? Did you know the destruction that nappa did was NEVER fixed? The dragon balls weren't used up to the end of namek saga where they revived anyone killed by Freezer and his man then take everyone to the earth from new namek and revive the Z fighters and the saiyans were TELEVISED how did they saw vegeta in the cell games and not recognize him as one of the aliens that turned an entire City into a cráter
Either they are super dumb of have terrible abnesia
Love it keep it up ( very interesting)
ultra ego combined with ultra instinct would be insane with kaioken if his merged body could handle it
Yep. It'd probably give Whis, Grand Priest, and Zeno's guards a run for their money.
@@UnwantedGhost1 he would probably be near zenos guards, not anywhere near grand priest tho
Whis and Beerus getting bodied fa sho
@@aterrariastarcell5952 well zenos guards should be above all the angels so, i would say vegito would be whis level
@@UnwantedGhost1 Yeah… hell no. Maybe Zeno’s guards, but Whis and GP is stretching it a bunch.
6:52 the fact that they could just call vegeta´s brother still piss me off 😂😂 that poor guy was forgotten
Didn't he die when frieza blew up the planet?
@@jonnythonmccrapballs3112 nope. Tarble was banished before it's destruction due to his weakness
@Rellyali1987 I mean, he wasn't even that weal all in all, as he was able to, albeit briefly, fight off to seperate enemies who had base Frieza power levels
@@bonkazonk4020 'weak' in saiyan context meaning 'soft'
@@dreamcream3738 I suppose, but, and correct me if I'm wrong, I recall him being physically weak, though again I have bad memory
also i love how gohan isnt lazy in every what if
So going after your dream is lazy? Man never wanted to fight.
Gohan looks at videl and pan : then smiles and says " If i could go back i wouldn't change a thing "
Why not fuse bulma and chichi.
@@youngsage2207 meant in the way that he always trains in what ifs he rarely doesnt train and when he doesnt hes outclassed heavily thats what i meant fam
@@youngsage2207 you know I want to like this but the way he acts when he fights is like is that what someone who doesn't want to fight acts
This is pretty Interesting man!
I always thought the reason vegito used the name ‘kakarot’ was because vegita truly believed in and loved his race and was always mildly insulted by goku getting a human name.
Guku being fused with with vegita would empathize with this sentiment much more. Especially since goku has never been even remotely insulted by his birth name
What’s guku lol
@@Contemplatingspider Goku
@@stonksagent9040 no because the guy who commented said guku
@@Contemplatingspider vegita
He makes broly call him kakarot. So he definitely has pride in his saiyan name
If Vegito never defused, Toriyama might (finally) make someone else the main character!
Edit: I know people say this a lot, but this may be the most likes I've ever had. Glad it's this one, there's at least something behind it with Toriyama's mc history..
likely gohan
Like... Vegito
@Meng Hao Like gojo
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EDIT: Since people seem confused, this video is about Potara being PERMANENT. That means NOTHING can undo it - that’s the point. The Namekian Dragon Balls worked for Kibito Kai in DBS, but they wouldn’t here - so he’s still KibitoKai. Idk why people want this what if to be “Vegito stays fused till he collects the Dragon Balls” but that’s not the point at all.
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Please do a part 2
Bulma and Chi Chi would just find a way to fuse, lol.
I predict that they will either have Tarble or Broly as the 6th pure hearted saiyan in the SSJG ritual
Tarble is in another part of the galaxy unknown to Vegeta but Whis or Kakkarot would teleport to there and get either two.
Well, they had one wish left before Beerus told Shenron to get lost. That wish could have been to bring them or locate another pure hearted Saiyan. They go to Universe 6 and borrow Cabba, the end. So there's a lot of possibilities there.
I think it's important to mention that Kibitokai actually split apart with the dragon balls back into Kibito and Supreme Kai, but I guess it's a bit late for that.
Man, your series have literally became my favorites. Keep making these what if for Dragon Ball!
I think the limit to revive someone once was removed when the dragonballs were upgraded by Dende? other than that, I loved watching this what if and plan to watch a few more while I'm here!
Nope. The upgrade was to 3 wishes, but if wishing more than one back, 2 wishes would be used.
Honestly when it comes to the personality of vegito in how he approaches his fights, I think it's more the fact the vegito just wants to display his dominance and that's why he finishes his opponents so quickly
Nah, I think the reason for ending his fights quickly is because of his Vegeta side. Maybe not during of before the Cell arc, but after that, Vegeta would think anyone who toys with his opponent instead of finishing off once they know they can win is a complete moron
@@cosmefulanito6854 That's true. He did try to end it quickly with Majin Buu instead of trying to last longer like Goku would. Also I don't think Goku would sacrifice himself in that kind of way either. Which really speaks to how brash Vegeta was in comparison. That personality was a lot more hardcore
11:00. Lol what? "I can bring back erased universes, but I cannot split up two people". XD
Yeah man seriously
"I can bring back erased universes but I cannot split up two people who have fused permanently" I'm thinking that permanently really means permanent as in nothing would be able to separate them
@@ZIONE103 I guess a fusion is enough to stop a supposedly omnipotent dragon.
@@ZIONE103 while the fusion is "permanent", the super dragon can do "any" wish. So it is kind of a paradox.
@@ZIONE103 the supreme Kai literally unfused with inferior dragon balls.
Would be neat if chi-chi and bulma fused as well. The ultima wife, Bu-chi!
That's what I've thought for so long
Add a t at the end of chi and its bull chit
I’ve already seen the vid on yk what website
Chima!
Her chi is incredible
It would be Chima because Chichi is the more dominant one
bro i love your what if's they are sooooo good
I personally think there could be an interesting conflict with him dealing with his new identity. Maybe that could balance out how overpowered he is.
Perhaps not having the time to see all his kids, not having as good of a spar partner, dealing with the mixed personalities/thoughts of both.
I think it could go well.
Interesting opinion, but I think as Vegeto is "neither Goku nor Vegeta," it wouldn't really matter to him.
He has instant transmission he can see all of his kids anytime
Not having a Good Spar Partner is a maybe as Beerus might still be more powerful that Vegito but that's a maybe as Vegito could have surpassed him at ultra instinct
There should be no mixed up thoughts. Vegito is a *complete* new character/fighter
@@SansMbvin this instance gohan should be up to snuff to be as good a sparring partner as any, if 1 year had him where he was before the ToP 5 years with vegito would be night and day
I'm really curious as to what if Gogeta's Fusion somehow got stuck and didn't defuse, with Gogeta's personality, how would the Story have gone then?
well.. Gogeta wasnt cannon til the broly movie. So it almost changes nothing except for moro being defeated in their first fight.
@@SaiyanMotion Hypothetical
Gogeta is less decisive than vegito if you think about it. Goku saw the good in broly and wanted him to live so gogeta did the opposite and tried to kill him.
Vegeta hated that frieza was alive and wanted to kill him so gogeta did the opposite and let him go.
Vegito actually tried to get absorbed by buu and tried to kill zamasu.
Gogeta just tortured broly for a while and decided to kill him at the end when he got bored.
@@Iron_potato40k Feels like Gogeta would have received Broly in the end, but I guess you have a point, Gogeta takes things seriously, sometimes he won't take any chances at all.
@@Midnight_Master-1 thats not my point hes serious but hes confused
The super dragon balls can restore multiple universes from nothing but can't split a fused person? That does not make sense lol good vid though
I mean its his what if he can do that it doesnt make sense but he can do it
I would take the side that says whis lied because hed rather have vegito be a successor due to how much potential vegoto has. Its not below him either
That actually makes sense. It creates a huge impact in the story, as fusion can never be undone via any means. Characters would not use it as additional power up, but more like an ultimate sacrifice.
@@Klanosek what does? Supreme kai split the peemanent fusion with fodder dragonballs so it really doesnt make any sense that the super dragonballs who granted zamasu true immortality which made it impossible for him to even be killed by a god of destruction cant do it.
@@nekoluxuria7721 The video retcons the idea that the potara fusions are permament and cannot be undone via any means, so it is understandable that the Shenron and Super Shenron wouldn't be able to do it, since the essence of both warriors no longer exist.
this video is GREAT NGL
vegito just soloing the entire series god damn
Lord Kakarot the God of Destruction: Hold my Spirit Fission and Hakai!
@@calvinkopp1735 if toriyama would follow his own power scaling vegito blue would one shot beerus and would be stronger than whis.
@@supervegito7902 not stronger than Whis, don't be silly
@@topboy3269 he would. toryiama stated in an interview that for a simple scaling if beerus was a 10, whis would be a 15 and god goku a 7. also if you really watched it you should know that the multiplier of the fusion + the blue form itself is much higher than whis could be.
@@supervegito7902 that nigga is very confusing. My bad dude
Yeah this video basically Vegito beating everybody, but with cameo appearances of Ultimate Gohan curb stomping Golden Frieza. Still hoping to come back is: What if Gohan was like Goku? Anyways this was still another good one-shot, and looking forward to the next part soon.
What if suggestion:
What if Gohan trained with Vegeta after the Cell Games?
Wait... wouldn't Frieza's scouts inform Frieza about the merge in Resurrection F, causing Frieza to at least consider longer training, thus causing him to be more of a threat?
Wouldn’t really matter since Gohan’s been keeping up with Vegito and evolving his Ultimate power for 5 years.
they will still use "they beat majin boo" as a reference, I don't think them fusing will change Frieza's training time, he'll just think vegito is as strong as goku in the original series since they both "beat majin boo"
@@calvinkopp1735Gohan ain't keeping up with that fusion 😂
Not really actually. Frieza only trained to surpass Buu. Cuz all the intel his scouts had was Goku beat Buu. He knew nothing of Beerus or God Ki. All Frieza would know is that Vegito is stronger than Buu. Thats it.
Freeza just needs to do 5 more push ups 🤦♂️
Beast Gohan in this version would still not be enough to surpass Vegetto. He's basically insurmountable.
I’d honestly love to see you make another video that starts where this story ends.
Thoroughly enjoyed it.
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They probably still solo Moro, Granolah, and Gas.
The only problem would be black frieza, but with ultra instict and a way higher potential they should be able to beat him. Though its hard to say sinse we dont know exactly how strong black frieza is.
same
@@mrfamer3752 probably frieza would train more to suprass ultra instinct vegito
I agree Vegito wouldn't go back to either chi chi or Bulma, he would be even more of a training addict. Although since Vegito doesn't go to either of them, Bra won't be born, who would be the perfect protector to replace Vegito when he's gone because her power is disgusting. Wouldn't Vegito black be unable to fuse with zamasu as well since he's already a fused being.
Who said there was a limit in fusions? I know for the fusion dance you need someone with a matching power level and someone around the same height. The potara earings i think you may be able to just put on someone else's and keep fusing not 100% sure i just don't recall their being any limit.
@@BootyClaimer the only time Ive seen fusions fusing together was in that shitty game on the DS I think which is definitely not canon
@@RealSteveStevenson Bra's power is disgusting? Where are you getting this from?
@@phosphophyllite6972 seeing as how vegito's daughter bra isn't a real character, but a character from Universe 16 in the multiverse series, I wouldn't be surprised if you don't know what I'm talking about. She's an absolute beast of a fighter. When she was possessed by Babidi in the multiversal tournament, she literally killed almost everyone since Vegito had been teleported away. She was a brutal beast it was amazing
@@RealSteveStevenson Why even bring fanfiction to this? The video uses the canon material, it just doesn't make sense.
I love how this video has like 50 likes 0 dislikes and its not even live
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Eww gross who dislike this?
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They would perform the ritual twice since Vegito is still 2 characters, meaning that Goku and Vegeta individually could each play a role in the ritual, therefore allowing them to both become super saiyan god
In my opinion, a great chance was missed for the super saiyan god ritual. First, Tarble is canon if I recall correctly, so instead of using the asspulled move of saying Vegito counts as 2, you could have him remember about Tarble. But you could have when with something even more interesting: have Whis check his staff to try and find another saiyan alive, and, you guessed it, find Broly. Having Broly intervene that soon in the story could have been the basis for a lot of cool things.
On a side note, for the problem of who Vegito says with (Bulma or Chichi), I quite like the solution they found in Dragon Ball Multiverse (a fanfic about a tournament with different timelines competing against each other, each timeline expect the "canon" one is a what-if). Chichi tells Vegito to go with Bulma, because as Goku's already been dead for years, she's used to not having him around.
It needs warm hearted saiyans. Brody couldn’t help there as the berserker he is.
@@langzeitstratege3191 If Vegita is pure of heart then Broly is lol. And honestly, this is SO much better than the nonsense in the video.
@@vKILLZ0NEv vegeta changed. Broly is not known enough. The berserk form isn’t kind at all. And regarding the old DB broly movie he’s not kind either. Vegeta is much more warm-hearted.
@@langzeitstratege3191 DBZ Broly isn't canon. Broly as he has been portrayed in Super COUULD absolutely be considered pure hearted. Sure, we don't see very much of him but again, modern day Vegeta is an asshole. So if he counts Broly 100% counts.
Could just use potara on Bulma and chi chi.
Then trunks and goten if you need to
Great job man. You are great at story telling. Please continue to make these as long and interesting as possible!
Didn't you know that there are 2 pairs of earrings? After vegeta destroyed the first pair then one of the kais gave another pair of earrings so basically what I'm saying is that chi chi and bulma could fuse. It would be kind of funny if trunks and goten used the pottara though
y'know i was thinking of the same thing except with the dance
Chima would destroy vegito by her combined and multiplied nagging alone lmao
That or they could do the dance, maybe even ask Shenlong to do the job
Many ways to get the waifu, though I understand why Carthu didnt go for that
Rather awesome if they merge via Potara.
@@ale-xsantos1078 the fusion dance isn't permanent here
I'd love to see a version of Dragon Ball where the fusion is permanent in every way, but have some clear downside to the fusion like either... They tire out faster or transformations don't last long. Something like that.
Let's remember that Goku in SSG (when he first used it) WAS as strong as Vegito in SSJ2 in Buu Saga.
@Ver Kuix uuh i don't really know about that since i don't know if vegito could manage to become 50 times stronger
actually more than 50 times stronger
Vegito did just go ssj not ssj2
@@VintasticGaming Yes but we ain't talking if he did. We are talking about strength
@@-ferno4333 honestly if he never defused its just vegeta and gokus power up times vegito fusion but i dont think it would been good due to fact goku and vegeta got near dead experiences and hard fights is why they started to train harder like you could see with vegeta after he lost to goku black and goku after he almost lost to hit and so on and they had the rivalry going on between goku and vegeta if they dont have that i doub they would have become as sttong they are as today always getting everything on silver plate doesn't always have to be the best
Vegito convincing Gohan to train cosistently is a huge assumption.
I fon't think it would be that hard. With the traits from vegeta he would be far more able to make gohan train by chosing the right words. And gohan could train like people do in real life, training even for a few hours each week, maybe going to the time chamber to get those few hours in a few seconds outside would be more than enough with his potential
Yeah tbh Gohan seems like the kind of guy to only workout on weekends
Given what happened in the recent Dragon Ball super hero movie, it's not actually that far-fetched.
@@virgilhawkins5680 what happens to Gohan 2 years after that movie when Uub arrives homie. he stops training. again.
I wonder how things would change with Gotenks? Would Vegeto see his merger as more of a true son and try to nurture his potential more than Gohan's?
No, both Vegeta and Goku hokd high regard for Gohan. In fact, the only person Vegeta personally apologized to was gohan, after saving his life from cell.
Vegito would be proud of Gohan
@@Doriedejai that moment was priceless, must be the first time we really see vegita turning good, caring for his child and being sorry for his mistake
No because goten and trunks use fusion, not potara, so gogeta would be the father.
2:14 simple just fuse them and boom no choice required
They will infuse at some point tho
@@JummyJumy yeah but the in this what if potara fusion is permanent
@@N0TTHATSCOTTISHGUY it’s for vegetable and Goku, that’s the thig
@@JummyJumy yes but it would not make any sense why it would only work for Goku and vegeta it should work with all mortals
@@N0TTHATSCOTTISHGUY it only said vegito tho
Plot twist. ChiChi moves into Capsule Corp. & they share him 😂😂
Vegito x bul-chi
Nah imagine if bulma and chi-chi somehow both get a potara earring and fuse forever.
This is just like what if gohan never stopped training
6:43 I understand that they would have no clue of anything going on, but bringing Broly and Paragus into the ritual is still a possibility as well, as both are also Saiyans. Whis might could probably detect their presence with his staff before he and Beerus travel to Earth, and retrieve them after realizing they’re a Saiyan short. Bit of a stretch, but it could happen.
aswell paragus probably wouldnt have grudge on vegito since he can just not tell them their real identify and just keep calling himself vegito lol
What about tarble?
@@thegodofsaiyans535 tarbles dead
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How is tarble Dead? Where was that ever stated?
@@thegodofsaiyans535 They don’t know what they’re talking about, Tarble isn’t dead.
"I don't get why people don't understand clearly explained dragon ball mechanics"
*dragon ball retconning it's own mechanics just to pass the time on a sunday*