I’ve seen a few questions about the base model and although I haven’t test it, I’d say its more than enough for most photography work. If I were to make just one upgrade it would be a bigger hard drive Going into more detail about it on the podcast stalmanpodcast.com
What is most important in terms of upgrading in order of importance for a photographer: 16 - 32gb RAM, 2.3 - 2.4ghz processor, 4 - 8gb graphics card and 1TB - 2TB hard drive?
I just ordered mine, completely optimized except I opted for a 4TB hard drive. I'd be interested in seeing some demonstrations of Raw footage imported, converted and graded.
@@Sojourner88 32gb ram is more important - Lightroom is more ram dependent. 2.3 - 2.4ghz is not dramatic enough to see any noticeable performance difference. 8gb graphic card is irrelevant for photo editing - if you plan on doing very high end video editing like 4k with tons of effects 8gb would be better. 8k video editing would benefit from 8gb graphic memory a lot. HD space is personal preference - I wouldn't go less than 256gb and no more than 1tb for internal hd. External storage is better.
Tyler, hello! Its good to see info about sharing results. But what about real work in timeline, for example, with 4k video. Does it really affect on smoothness of the process ?
That’s the first video I have seen which I find a bit useful...especially coz of the HDR panorama test...coz as a nature photographer that is genuinely important to me...I have observed most of the good laptop reviews on YT by photographers focus on aspects related to portrait/wedding photography only..... Next time, can you also please include some quick tests on other features like ... focus stacking .... or stacking 10-15 images/layers like astrophotographers use, to reduce noise...I know, those aren’t actions that you would be using that often.. but it’ll really help other viewers like me...
This was such a fascinating and helpful review! I agree with you in that synthetic benchmarks say basically nothing. You are showing real workloads and comparing the time savings to where you were. Awesome review!
Thanks so much for this review, I’m sick of seeing the exact same benchmarking tests. The HDR Pano stitch plus PS actions was a much more worthwhile test for showing what users can actually expect. I’d love to know what’s causing the speed increases, the 8-cores or the GPU... 🤔
Great review! That's some massive improvements for a computer that wasn't even "old" to begin with! I love the real-world workflow tests! Everyone does benchmarks, which only show small improvements from one generation to the next, but this was super useful! It shows a lot of the things that benchmarks simply don't account for! Excellent job!
great video, but it was a bit disappointing you did not cover screen calibration, color accuracy and such. Apple brags about P3, but photography is more about aRGB, so I would have benefited from your thoughts on that dimension.
Must say, amazing work with the sponsorship part. Just the perfect length for it to not get all in the way and disrupt the video. However, still informative and interesting. Well done!
I have a non dedicated video card 2014 15 MBP and this is pretty much all I've been waiting for (from Apple anyway). Going to wait until the 10th gen Intels get put in for a more future proof wifi 6. That will feel more like a 5yr+ investment for me.
@@edshotsdotcodotuk 10th gen intel processors are mostly the same as the 9th gen, just slightly better clock speeds and a cheaper price to compete with AMD
I used to shoot concerts (photo's not videos) professionally from 2008 ~ 2014 as a living before I moved back into ICT consultancy. Tyler explains that the 2-4 here & there for import/export saved matters. I`m sitting here thinking " Importing in, editing and exporting out" (simplified for example) process isn't the only thing a professional photographer does. A lot of it is still communication/pre-planning/booking things etc. etc. With computers as they are in the last decade, I can write out e-mails, work on planning the next events and book accomondation if travel is required, send out invoices etc. whilst i wait for said export/import task to finish without things coming to a grinding halt (which is sadly a period in computing i've experienced 1st hand being an old geezer) An extra 2-4 here and there in my opinion shouldn't matter as a whole because i`d then spend the extra minutes on the other tasks I have whilst I wait.
THANK YOU! A real world review, not a bunch of benchmarks. it´s almost the same config i was going for, so i´m happy to have made the right choices and go ahead now and order it.
Nice video! The 16” has made me glad I held onto my old 13” instead of jumping on one of the models from earlier this year. I’m probably going to wait until next summer to pull the trigger, but the 16” looms powerful and expensive in my future. As for that perfect build? I’m personally leaning towards 32gb of ram, a 1TB ssd (should still be enough to help me avoid external drives - I don’t work with the high volumes you do), the mid-spec GPU (mainly for a bit of future proofing), and probably the base 6 core CPU. The ideal photographer’s setup will depend a lot on the individual photographer. But, I think you can at least say for a working photographer, you want your investment to last. So - upgrading RAM is a safe bet, and if possible upgrading storage beyond whatever threshold will keep you from resorting to excessive amounts of external storage.
Nice to get a photographer's point of view and test on typical software applications. Great real world test. Especially with Capture One. You don't see that often. Thank you. I'm glad you spoke about the price/workflow for having a large internal drive. Super convenient, fast and it's always with you. If people spec out what it cost to have a similar sized/speed external drive, they would see that the price isn't nearly as outrageous. 8TB is HUGE and expensive for SSD storage right now. For me, 4TB would work nicely and future-proofs quite a bit. Lastly, I totally get why Apple didn't include a card reader in the MBP: they break. I have a 2013 15" MBP that I will be upgrading next year and guess what? A spring mechanism is damaged. No big deal but still. Saves Apple from repair costs. I actually prefer no slot. For maintenance, options, simplicity and honestly, looks... Keep up the good work.
@@stalman Base i9 (apparently the upgrade isn't worth it at all), upgraded GPU, 64GB ram, kept the base storage but after watching this I think I would've been happier with the 2TB... my justification was using external drives (my current workflow) but never considered the boost I'd get working internally. Although I work with 4k footage at most and usually offload to a backup after I'm done so I'm hoping that's enough. Why does it feel like 1TB is the new 32GB of smarrphone storage...
I assume you looked up the OSX.lamepyre and how it takes screenshot of your computer and sends them to a remote server. I would make sure you have changed some of your user names and passwords! love the vids..keep them up
Hi Tyler, this video was great, thanks! I'm only into photography for now and I'm wondering if is It worth the upgrade of the base 16inch MBP model from 16GB to 32GB. When does the difference in performance come out? Would it make any remarkable improvement when editing 35MP raw files regardless the amount of photos present in a catalog? Thank you so much for any advice!
Hi Tyler, I enjoyed your video and it seems that primarily based on your video and your speed test compared to my older MacBook pro, Ive decided to order the 16" as I am a professional photographer too. However I have a question regarding any issues with smooth image scrolling in lightroom when viewing images or other issues regarding the GPU compatibility you might have come across with your setup. Im in the process of ordering the base i7 model with the 5300 4gb graphics as I have seen some issues with the 5500 8gb version online and I don't know if they have been rectified yet by Adobe, I also saw one issue with the 5500 4gb version that's why I'm opting for the i7 with the 5300 graphics as I have not come across any problems with that particular setup. As you have the machine can you give me any further info on your experience since purchase or with other issues. Much appreciated.
So from a studio POV, wouldn't it make more sense to have a dedicated desktop for using Capture One? While I love the MBP, it doesn't make sense to just us a laptop if you are going to be working out of studio all the time.
Great video! Thanks for the real life testing and for the time invested in the video! Cache files are there for your experience to feel "faster" so it doesn't need to download them again... CleanMyMac is just a placebo
Thank you for that great review Tyler! What do you think about the 64GB RAM version for photo/video editing? Is it worth to upgrade? What improvements could you expect? Thank you!
As a photographer do you recommend the higher processor and graphic card? I am trying to decide how to spec it. Thank you! I was thinking 32 RM 1TB upgrades from the base - but wondering if I should start up higher.
I recommend you get a PC with a better more powerful GPU until Apple wakes up and uses AMDs real Pro GPUs or at least gives in and uses the real high gaming GPUs as Pro chip sets.
Go for higher processor before graphics if you’re a photographer. Graphics can still help in some photo applications that are optimized for it, but the processor will be used more in most photo applications. 32GB RAM is a great idea too.
I have to work on really large images and big psd all the time, does upgrading to 64go of ram make sense or is it wasting money ? Also, do I need the 8go GC upgrade ? Thanks for this cool review !
Because I don’t want to spend ALL my money on this machine so I have to cut back somewhere and as SSD speeds have gotten ultra fast, running out of ram has had less impact because swapping data in and out of short term memory isn’t such a bottleneck anymore
I will surely go for 2 TB, but thinking of extra 32 RAM.. 64 is pricey but future proof..?? I'm going to use Adobe Premiere (4K editing), After Effects (motion graphics and some compositing), Adobe Auditon, some music DAW maybe... No 3D at all! On my PC (8700K, GTX 1060 3 GB) 32 RAM is enough at the moment, but this MacBook Pro is going to be my first MAC ever :)
@@1001spencer lightroom would only use that much in a extreme case scenario... Most photographers don't have that large of a workload regardless unless you're in commercial.
Really amazing review, one of the only reviews I’ve seen that is polished, well made, and actually addresses the real bottlenecks in professional workflows instead of just showing cinebench r20 scores. Like many people, I am a hobbiest/semi-pro, so the base model is more interesting to me. But, still a great video and a good tool for making purchase decisions.
I am a photographer and currently debating getting the 2.3ghz 8 core 32gb RAM 8gb Graphics and 1TB version of it ($4305 CAD) for the portability; I currently edit on my PC desktop, which is obviously much cheaper but it certainly lacks the portability aspect. Do you usually connect your macbook pro 16 to a bigger screen or is the 16" enough for Lightroom / Capture One & Photoshop use? especially for portrait retouching. Thanks for the video. Murat
Nice straightforward video. Can't wait for mine to come! Clearly makes a big difference in the management aspects of photography. With the huge files from cameras like a7r4, or the 100mp files from medium format, would going to 64 GB RAM confer an advantage? Like, allocate 32 GB RAM to PS and then hopefully all transformations of these multi GB files (with layers!) are in RAM?
i'm actually quite pissed off that apple soldered the ram and storage. that should have been upgradeable, who the fuck pay that much for an ssd. 1tb apple ssd cost the same as 4tb samsung 970 evo
I’m thankful you showed sidecar because I have an iPad Pro (using as I type this) and this is huge for me. While I’m only an amateur photog, I’m also a project manager and I need muh real estate!
Hey, thanks for the vídeo! Is the 16” a good choice for After Effects? I have this computer in its base model and I use it for music production, but I don't know if I should buy a different one for after effects.
I went this route back in 2018, got a 2017 iMac fully spec’d. I did it because there was a lot of value over getting the MacBook Pro at the time. So far I’m super happy I did. Granted, I can’t take it with me, but if you’re able to do your work at one location it’s a huge value. Mine has the quad core i7 and Radeon Pro 580, and they’re still pretty bonkers fast. I’m pretty sure only with the new 5600M graphics in the latest 16-inch does it beat the 580 in raw performance, so if you get a new iMac right now with the 5700 graphics option (or better yet the 5700XT) you’ll have more than enough power for years to come. iMac is just such a bulletproof machine in my experience, I love it.
Well, that's exactly the test I was looking for! Thank you so much! I'm a wedding photographer, working with Capture One on a MacBook Pro 2018 (32 GB, 2TB). I'm considering to upgrade to the 16" MacBook Pro with 64 GB, 4TB and the HBM2-based Graphic Card. Thanks again!
Hi Tyler, thanks for the review it helps a lot! It would also be great to see how the computer works when capture one is actually tethering with a camera, high volume capture I believe is what a lot of photographers including myself would love to see! Cuz that's when the computer heats up the most everyday.
This is very interesting, but to really isolate the benefits of new CPU/GPU, I would have also tested with all your catalog in an external drive as I suspect you are getting a bunch of these improvements through faster drives.
idont think the ssd will make your work easier。upgrade the ram and graphic before you upgrade your ssd，thats would be way better for photo and video editing。
Ordered a 16” to replace my 2015 (maxed out) 15”. Ordered the upgraded base and added a 4 tb ssd I work with 200k + files and need full preview rendering (Lr) which now take 10-25 sec each.. I do a little Ps running same time as Lr and use some plugins from Topaz , etc. It doesn’t seem to be a problem on the 2015. Will I be sorry I didn’t get 32 Ram
Camera Punk I had the same question... I wouldn’t mind paying for some upgrades but I’d rather not spend all the money on a totally specked out and I’m curious what would be sufficient for photography work. Most of the reviews online all are geared toward people doing heavy video editing which most people aren’t going to
You’d have no problem in Lightroom: I have a 2017 iMac with a quad core i7 that turbo boosts to 4ish GHz and it still runs great, so a 6 core i7 would be even better. You won’t need any crazy graphics options for photo, the only thing you would possibly wanna upgrade from what you listed would be RAM, to 32GB. But you can definitely get your work done with 16. All in all that sounds like a great spec!
I think the test will be closer if you have the 2018 Macbook Pro connected to power or both laptops running with battery (3:16). As is shown later in the video (6:30)
Amazing review! Almost made my choice clear. I'm debating between a MBP16 and an Asus Zenbook Pro Duo. I mostly do video work, but I do some photography every now and then.
What are you going by GPU or CPU. If it's GPU then go with the Zenbook Pro Duo. You have a more powerful GPU. Apple is ripping you off with the GPU they put in.
2019 13" Macbook Pro (base model) you could upgrade the RAM to 16gigs or 256gigs ssd. I have the base model and I edit 4K video (Fuji XH1) with it. What do you even mean with "higher quality youtube videos"? What program are you editing in? If FCPX definitely get the 2019 13" Macbook Pro, else get the 16" for the dedicated video card and faster CPU.
I'd been looking for a video about the MBP 16 for photographers. This pretty much confirms I'll be getting one. Thank you! (I've been holding out since the ol 2015 MBP so I'm way overdue)
Just a comment on the pricing. Cost of SSD has fallen in the past 12 months, I am glad Apple is at least partly acknowledging that... But still these upgrades costs are 🤦
@@JohnCasacop yeah I said Apple "partly acknowledging" that by lowering the cost a bit... But on all the line moving from 128 to 256 is still an 100£/$ update and a 2tb upgrade here is how much, 2k? You can buy an off the shelf 2tb nvme drive for a 10th of the cost... you can still put one on a 2015 MacBook Pro today, it's not a different technology
@ 0:37 64GB RAM would be included in a fully-spec 2019 16". Add that into the equation with each having their max RAM offering per each model. Thus price matched...to the dollar.
I have that same spec and it’s an absolute beast! What mac accessories do you always have with you for photo and even video. Awesome video! (Commenting for the reupload) 🤣
I can’t tell you how much I appreciate re-commenting 😁 best accessory tip I can make is try to get all your accessories native USB-C. It’s so worth the effort
Tyler Stalman even rewatched 👏🏻 anyways, I don’t really have any accessories other than a Apple usb to usb C. I need a fast sd card reader and a portable hub wouldn’t be so bad too.
Good update, but their needs to be much more done to get the macbook pro back to pro. Under Jobs it had an sd card, ports, and magsafe, and 2 thunderbolt ports, it does not need 4, that other bandwidth needs to be for other ports, not new dongle cable and adapter sales, and a heavier bag. I am still waiting for the sd card to return, as it will not add any weight. And the return of at least some of the pre 2016 ports, HDMI, 2 X USBA (the newest type 2 spec), Separate fast charging magsafe, that does not take away a usbc/tb3 port, , and the battery indicator, digital in and out through dual 3.5 mm jacks (for musicians), ethernet, and ir blaster from the 2011-2012 Macbook Pros. Only having one type of port save Apple a ton in production costs, not to mention the millions they make in required dongles, which is the whole reason usbc exists, it created a need for a whole new profitable market for cables, dongles, and adapters, that do not always work like they are supposed to. My other wish is for color accurate 4K to edit 4K video, like the imac, and every pro windows 13-17" laptop. Even at extra cost, just for that option. HDR support for HDR software and cameras we use. OLED or mini led XDR technology. While Apple screen is top notch it is still 2012 technology and ppi, a lot has changed since then. Touch...Mac OSX should have always had touch/pencil support, and the only reason it does not is the ipad sales would stop in their tracks. As an artist, editor, musician in logic with it's mixing console, video editing, we know touch can sometimes be more productive then trackpad, or mouse for getting things done right and precisely. But more than anything, is the ability to upgrade the ram and ssd later as my needs change. I think Lenovo think pad X1 does the ports and upgradeability best. At any time you can upgrade the base 16GB to 64GB, and 512GB ssd, to 2X4TB ssd retail which is less than half of apple built to order upgrade prices, and apple keeps your base ram and storage to put in another machine, with the Thinkpad, you can sell it. Another thing is repairability, Apple is known to fight independent repair at every corner, refusing to sell OEM parts, and designing the keyboard, ssd, ram, wifi, and other things that make repairing them a minimum $1500 board replacement. And for security when you sell your mac, you cannot keep the ssd, and even with encryption and secure delete, a hacker may recover some of your personal files when you sell your computer. Having said that, this upgrade is a step in the right direction, and it has class leading speakers and trackpad, a reliable keyboard, better cooling and less thermal throttling for the 8 core, which used to be slower than the 6 core on extended processing, but most of all the finally got rid of the ancient AMD 500 series gpu's, which are as slow as a NVDIA MX250. Apple must have got a great deal on them, and they were the biggest performance bottle neck, you had to upgrade $$$, to Vega 20 just to get acceptable graphics, the 5500m that apple uses has 2 more cores than it's windows courter part, and the 8GB video memory really helps, it should be comparable to a GTX 1660, but slower than a RTX 2060 with the same 8GB video ram. I would suggest 2018 and before owners look at a tb3 enclosure and radeon 5500 or so, as an alternative to buying a 16", that way they can get even better performance for cheap, when they are at their desk setup.
Snazzy Labs (I think it was him, I've seen so many reviews) said the Intel 10th gen chips will have wifi 6 built in so I guess it's worth waiting for a mid lifespan refresh in 6-9 months. The 16in is almost identical to the 2014 15in I have in terms of thickness and footprint so I can't help but wonder if they could have squeezed in an SD card slot. SD is still wildly popular and even in some cameras with XQD or CF they have an SD as the second slot. I am glad that they're making the base option pretty powerful and have returned the escape key along with the more traditional keyboard mechanism. They do appear to be listening now. With more efficient chips than ever I'd personally take a hit in battery size if it meant a more solid connection to a built-in SD slot.
In my experience handling a thousand-ish photos on import (like you would for a wedding), Lightroom uses on average 10-12GB of RAM on my iMac, so I’m glad I have 24GB. Might be helpful to have 32GB if you’re a wedding photographer.
I’ve seen a few questions about the base model and although I haven’t test it, I’d say its more than enough for most photography work. If I were to make just one upgrade it would be a bigger hard drive
Going into more detail about it on the podcast stalmanpodcast.com
What is most important in terms of upgrading in order of importance for a photographer: 16 - 32gb RAM, 2.3 - 2.4ghz processor, 4 - 8gb graphics card and 1TB - 2TB hard drive?
Excellent review and comparison, its all about saving time when it comes to editing
I just ordered mine, completely optimized except I opted for a 4TB hard drive. I'd be interested in seeing some demonstrations of Raw footage imported, converted and graded.
@@Sojourner88 32gb ram is more important - Lightroom is more ram dependent. 2.3 - 2.4ghz is not dramatic enough to see any noticeable performance difference. 8gb graphic card is irrelevant for photo editing - if you plan on doing very high end video editing like 4k with tons of effects 8gb would be better. 8k video editing would benefit from 8gb graphic memory a lot. HD space is personal preference - I wouldn't go less than 256gb and no more than 1tb for internal hd. External storage is better.
@@lucuslopez6866 Thanks for taking the time to give the advice Lucas. I really appreciate it. I'll go for the extra RAM. Have a great week!
Finally a review from a photographers perspective and not all about rendering 👍🏻 The most useful review I've yet seen... thank you Tyler!
Sorry for delay getting this online guys, hope it was worth the wait!
Tyler, hello! Its good to see info about sharing results. But what about real work in timeline, for example, with 4k video. Does it really affect on smoothness of the process ?
That’s the first video I have seen which I find a bit useful...especially coz of the HDR panorama test...coz as a nature photographer that is genuinely important to me...I have observed most of the good laptop reviews on YT by photographers focus on aspects related to portrait/wedding photography only.....
Next time, can you also please include some quick tests on other features like ... focus stacking .... or stacking 10-15 images/layers like astrophotographers use, to reduce noise...I know, those aren’t actions that you would be using that often.. but it’ll really help other viewers like me...
Edit: Sorry forgot to thank you for the video, it definitely helped me 😊👍🏽
This was such a fascinating and helpful review! I agree with you in that synthetic benchmarks say basically nothing. You are showing real workloads and comparing the time savings to where you were. Awesome review!
How do you like this compared to your ComceptD 7? I'm trying to decide between the two for video editing.
I’m primarily a Mac user so any Windows machine is on the side for me
I would love a video about the perfect configuration for a photo mackbook pro
unless there already is one I've missed
Thanks so much for this review, I’m sick of seeing the exact same benchmarking tests. The HDR Pano stitch plus PS actions was a much more worthwhile test for showing what users can actually expect. I’d love to know what’s causing the speed increases, the 8-cores or the GPU... 🤔
Great review! That's some massive improvements for a computer that wasn't even "old" to begin with! I love the real-world workflow tests! Everyone does benchmarks, which only show small improvements from one generation to the next, but this was super useful! It shows a lot of the things that benchmarks simply don't account for! Excellent job!
great video, but it was a bit disappointing you did not cover screen calibration, color accuracy and such. Apple brags about P3, but photography is more about aRGB, so I would have benefited from your thoughts on that dimension.
Must say, amazing work with the sponsorship part. Just the perfect length for it to not get all in the way and disrupt the video. However, still informative and interesting. Well done!
Pro Tip: System Preferences -> Sidecar. Disable sidebar and touch bar to use all of the iPad screen’s real estate 👍🏼
Tyler, for 480 CAD, would you rather upgrade the RAM to 32GB or upgrade the SSD to 2TB?
Will Nguyen Ram
Again, love how you just JUMP into it!! I have an older 2015 MBP so this might be the time to upgrade.
I have a non dedicated video card 2014 15 MBP and this is pretty much all I've been waiting for (from Apple anyway). Going to wait until the 10th gen Intels get put in for a more future proof wifi 6. That will feel more like a 5yr+ investment for me.
@@edshotsdotcodotuk 10th gen intel processors are mostly the same as the 9th gen, just slightly better clock speeds and a cheaper price to compete with AMD
@@joebates640 I'll still wait for those ones (more time to save up for it as well)
@@edshotsdotcodotuk For the price, future-proofing is the smart way to go.
@@edshotsdotcodotuk what are you lacking on your 2014? thats what I have now but cant see much reason to upgrade
Tyler: This is my 2018 model, with a black sticker on it...
dbrand: am i a joke to you?
I used to shoot concerts (photo's not videos) professionally from 2008 ~ 2014 as a living before I moved back into ICT consultancy. Tyler explains that the 2-4 here & there for import/export saved matters. I`m sitting here thinking " Importing in, editing and exporting out" (simplified for example) process isn't the only thing a professional photographer does. A lot of it is still communication/pre-planning/booking things etc. etc. With computers as they are in the last decade, I can write out e-mails, work on planning the next events and book accomondation if travel is required, send out invoices etc. whilst i wait for said export/import task to finish without things coming to a grinding halt (which is sadly a period in computing i've experienced 1st hand being an old geezer) An extra 2-4 here and there in my opinion shouldn't matter as a whole because i`d then spend the extra minutes on the other tasks I have whilst I wait.
Guess I can’t go to sleep for another 10 minutes
THANK YOU! A real world review, not a bunch of benchmarks. it´s almost the same config i was going for, so i´m happy to have made the right choices and go ahead now and order it.
Can you tell me where you got that black sticker for your macbook ?
Nice video! The 16” has made me glad I held onto my old 13” instead of jumping on one of the models from earlier this year. I’m probably going to wait until next summer to pull the trigger, but the 16” looms powerful and expensive in my future.
As for that perfect build? I’m personally leaning towards 32gb of ram, a 1TB ssd (should still be enough to help me avoid external drives - I don’t work with the high volumes you do), the mid-spec GPU (mainly for a bit of future proofing), and probably the base 6 core CPU.
The ideal photographer’s setup will depend a lot on the individual photographer. But, I think you can at least say for a working photographer, you want your investment to last. So - upgrading RAM is a safe bet, and if possible upgrading storage beyond whatever threshold will keep you from resorting to excessive amounts of external storage.
Nice to get a photographer's point of view and test on typical software applications. Great real world test. Especially with Capture One. You don't see that often. Thank you.
I'm glad you spoke about the price/workflow for having a large internal drive. Super convenient, fast and it's always with you. If people spec out what it cost to have a similar sized/speed external drive, they would see that the price isn't nearly as outrageous. 8TB is HUGE and expensive for SSD storage right now. For me, 4TB would work nicely and future-proofs quite a bit.
Lastly, I totally get why Apple didn't include a card reader in the MBP: they break. I have a 2013 15" MBP that I will be upgrading next year and guess what? A spring mechanism is damaged. No big deal but still. Saves Apple from repair costs. I actually prefer no slot. For maintenance, options, simplicity and honestly, looks...
Keep up the good work.
At last a photographers review rather than purely film/video use. Nice work👌🏻
So. Hyped. For. Mine. Ughhhhhhh.
It's sooo good, what's your build?
@@stalman Base i9 (apparently the upgrade isn't worth it at all), upgraded GPU, 64GB ram, kept the base storage but after watching this I think I would've been happier with the 2TB... my justification was using external drives (my current workflow) but never considered the boost I'd get working internally. Although I work with 4k footage at most and usually offload to a backup after I'm done so I'm hoping that's enough.
Why does it feel like 1TB is the new 32GB of smarrphone storage...
EXCESSORIZE ME. Huge fan.keep up the great work!
Would you feel comfortable using this as your primary computer for photo editing? Need something portable but powerful for my 50MP raw files
Tyler: * buys new mac book *
Me: **cries in poor**
I assume you looked up the OSX.lamepyre and how it takes screenshot of your computer and sends them to a remote server. I would make sure you have changed some of your user names and passwords! love the vids..keep them up
Lol the faster fcp export is perfect when you need to fix and reupload your RUclips videos 3 times.
EXACTLY! 😅 Just imagine how long I would have been waiting on the old machine
Hi Tyler, this video was great, thanks!
I'm only into photography for now and I'm wondering if is It worth the upgrade of the base 16inch MBP model from 16GB to 32GB. When does the difference in performance come out? Would it make any remarkable improvement when editing 35MP raw files regardless the amount of photos present in a catalog?
Thank you so much for any advice!
Hi Tyler, I enjoyed your video and it seems that primarily based on your video and your speed test compared to my older MacBook pro, Ive decided to order the 16" as I am a professional photographer too. However I have a question regarding any issues with smooth image scrolling in lightroom when viewing images or other issues regarding the GPU compatibility you might have come across with your setup. Im in the process of ordering the base i7 model with the 5300 4gb graphics as I have seen some issues with the 5500 8gb version online and I don't know if they have been rectified yet by Adobe, I also saw one issue with the 5500 4gb version that's why I'm opting for the i7 with the 5300 graphics as I have not come across any problems with that particular setup. As you have the machine can you give me any further info on your experience since purchase or with other issues. Much appreciated.
How hot/loud is it during these tests
So from a studio POV, wouldn't it make more sense to have a dedicated desktop for using Capture One? While I love the MBP, it doesn't make sense to just us a laptop if you are going to be working out of studio all the time.
Great video! Thanks for the real life testing and for the time invested in the video!
Cache files are there for your experience to feel "faster" so it doesn't need to download them again... CleanMyMac is just a placebo
Thank you for that great review Tyler!
What do you think about the 64GB RAM version for photo/video editing?
Is it worth to upgrade? What improvements could you expect?
Thank you!
I would only have that much for video editing. Lightroom and Photoshop won’t take advantage of all 64 Gbs of ram. I have mine with 32 on the way.
Agree, even 32 is often overkill for photography. Not many people need 64
Tyler Stalman okay, thank you for your answer! What are your thoughts on ram for video editing? :-)
As a photographer do you recommend the higher processor and graphic card? I am trying to decide how to spec it. Thank you! I was thinking 32 RM 1TB upgrades from the base - but wondering if I should start up higher.
I recommend you get a PC with a better more powerful GPU until Apple wakes up and uses AMDs real Pro GPUs or at least gives in and uses the real high gaming GPUs as Pro chip sets.
Go for higher processor before graphics if you’re a photographer. Graphics can still help in some photo applications that are optimized for it, but the processor will be used more in most photo applications. 32GB RAM is a great idea too.
I have to work on really large images and big psd all the time, does upgrading to 64go of ram make sense or is it wasting money ?
Also, do I need the 8go GC upgrade ?
Thanks for this cool review !
Was really hoping to see how fast a photo loads in lightroom when you're browsing through them one by one. I hate the wait on my 2011 MBP..
I think base model for most photographers and anyone who does a lot should get the i9 with 32gb (and the 8gb upgrade if you do video work)
Great video! Just curious as I'm buying the MBP why you didn't choose 64gb of ram over 32gb.
Because I don’t want to spend ALL my money on this machine so I have to cut back somewhere and as SSD speeds have gotten ultra fast, running out of ram has had less impact because swapping data in and out of short term memory isn’t such a bottleneck anymore
@@stalman Makes sense, I will follow suit to your config but with the slower processor. Thanks for the insight!
7:13 "I didn't expect it to happen; [the SD card slot] will never come back..."
2021 MacBook Pros: Are we a joke to you!?
I've been really torn between choosing 64GB RAM and 1TB storage or 32GB RAM and 2TB storage.
In practice you don't need anything over 16GB of RAM on a MacBook pro. But if you really need it than get the 32GB.
I will surely go for 2 TB, but thinking of extra 32 RAM..
64 is pricey but future proof..??
I'm going to use Adobe Premiere (4K editing), After Effects (motion graphics and some compositing), Adobe Auditon, some music DAW maybe... No 3D at all!
On my PC (8700K, GTX 1060 3 GB) 32 RAM is enough at the moment, but this MacBook Pro is going to be my first MAC ever :)
ezar howard Lightroom uses close to 30gb at times alone
1001spencer definitely getting 64GB when I get one
@@1001spencer lightroom would only use that much in a extreme case scenario... Most photographers don't have that large of a workload regardless unless you're in commercial.
Really amazing review, one of the only reviews I’ve seen that is polished, well made, and actually addresses the real bottlenecks in professional workflows instead of just showing cinebench r20 scores. Like many people, I am a hobbiest/semi-pro, so the base model is more interesting to me. But, still a great video and a good tool for making purchase decisions.
I am a photographer and currently debating getting the 2.3ghz 8 core 32gb RAM 8gb Graphics and 1TB version of it ($4305 CAD) for the portability;
I currently edit on my PC desktop, which is obviously much cheaper but it certainly lacks the portability aspect. Do you usually connect your macbook pro 16 to a bigger screen or is the 16" enough for Lightroom / Capture One & Photoshop use? especially for portrait retouching.
Thanks for the video.
Murat
Nice straightforward video. Can't wait for mine to come! Clearly makes a big difference in the management aspects of photography. With the huge files from cameras like a7r4, or the 100mp files from medium format, would going to 64 GB RAM confer an advantage? Like, allocate 32 GB RAM to PS and then hopefully all transformations of these multi GB files (with layers!) are in RAM?
i'm actually quite pissed off that apple soldered the ram and storage. that should have been upgradeable, who the fuck pay that much for an ssd. 1tb apple ssd cost the same as 4tb samsung 970 evo
I’m thankful you showed sidecar because I have an iPad Pro (using as I type this) and this is huge for me. While I’m only an amateur photog, I’m also a project manager and I need muh real estate!
Hey, thanks for the vídeo! Is the 16” a good choice for After Effects? I have this computer in its base model and I use it for music production, but I don't know if I should buy a different one for after effects.
Do you use an iMac for photo editing. Though totally two different computers, for longevity sake, I am considering a spec'ed out iMac.
I went this route back in 2018, got a 2017 iMac fully spec’d. I did it because there was a lot of value over getting the MacBook Pro at the time. So far I’m super happy I did. Granted, I can’t take it with me, but if you’re able to do your work at one location it’s a huge value. Mine has the quad core i7 and Radeon Pro 580, and they’re still pretty bonkers fast. I’m pretty sure only with the new 5600M graphics in the latest 16-inch does it beat the 580 in raw performance, so if you get a new iMac right now with the 5700 graphics option (or better yet the 5700XT) you’ll have more than enough power for years to come. iMac is just such a bulletproof machine in my experience, I love it.
Considering a base model, guessing that would still be a big improvement over a quad core 13" MBP?
The base of the new 16” looks really attractive, I expect it would work great even for pro photographers
Well, that's exactly the test I was looking for! Thank you so much! I'm a wedding photographer, working with Capture One on a MacBook Pro 2018 (32 GB, 2TB). I'm considering to upgrade to the 16" MacBook Pro with 64 GB, 4TB and the HBM2-based Graphic Card. Thanks again!
I also got that same warning for LamePyre. I'm pretty sure it's a false-positive, because if you look at the folder it points to, it's empty.
Always have loved your videos.
It was a short and sweet comparison. Loved it. :)
Those FCPX improvements are bonkers!
Hi Tyler, thanks for the review it helps a lot! It would also be great to see how the computer works when capture one is actually tethering with a camera, high volume capture I believe is what a lot of photographers including myself would love to see! Cuz that's when the computer heats up the most everyday.
extremely well done video Tyler. Thank You so much for such a great video going into detail as a photographer.
This is very interesting, but to really isolate the benefits of new CPU/GPU, I would have also tested with all your catalog in an external drive as I suspect you are getting a bunch of these improvements through faster drives.
idont think the ssd will make your work easier。upgrade the ram and graphic before you upgrade your ssd，thats would be way better for photo and video editing。
Ordered a 16” to replace my 2015 (maxed out) 15”. Ordered the upgraded base and added a 4 tb ssd I work with 200k + files and need full preview rendering (Lr) which now take 10-25 sec each.. I do a little Ps running same time as Lr and use some plugins from Topaz , etc. It doesn’t seem to be a problem on the 2015. Will I be sorry I didn’t get 32 Ram
Would love to see a pro/con after using it for a month or so.
You think Lightroom would be able to handle the base configuration 6core i7, 16gb ram, amd radeon 5300m and 1tb ssd ?
Camera Punk I had the same question... I wouldn’t mind paying for some upgrades but I’d rather not spend all the money on a totally specked out and I’m curious what would be sufficient for photography work. Most of the reviews online all are geared toward people doing heavy video editing which most people aren’t going to
You’d have no problem in Lightroom: I have a 2017 iMac with a quad core i7 that turbo boosts to 4ish GHz and it still runs great, so a 6 core i7 would be even better. You won’t need any crazy graphics options for photo, the only thing you would possibly wanna upgrade from what you listed would be RAM, to 32GB. But you can definitely get your work done with 16. All in all that sounds like a great spec!
How is Catalina ? Is the os running good with Lightroom and final cut?
Awesome video Tyler. It really shows the power of this new machine
Also, I watched this video in under 9 minutes, because I was watching it at 1.5X speed. Because... Speed
Thanks for the review. I was thinking about my config for Caputre One Pro and HDR Panorama. Perfect. Thanks.
is it space grey or silver?
I think the test will be closer if you have the 2018 Macbook Pro connected to power or both laptops running with battery (3:16). As is shown later in the video (6:30)
Great tests!!! Whenis this going to be available in the philippines
Amazing review! Almost made my choice clear. I'm debating between a MBP16 and an Asus Zenbook Pro Duo. I mostly do video work, but I do some photography every now and then.
What are you going by GPU or CPU. If it's GPU then go with the Zenbook Pro Duo. You have a more powerful GPU.
Apple is ripping you off with the GPU they put in.
What would be a good MacBook model (year?) for the average person wanting to make higher quality RUclips videos or short films?
2019 13" Macbook Pro (base model) you could upgrade the RAM to 16gigs or 256gigs ssd. I have the base model and I edit 4K video (Fuji XH1) with it. What do you even mean with "higher quality youtube videos"? What program are you editing in? If FCPX definitely get the 2019 13" Macbook Pro, else get the 16" for the dedicated video card and faster CPU.
I bought this and all I can say, I LOVE IT
The part about the video was recorded with Sony? Just wondering...
The minute I watched this review, I hit sub with bell. It's that good of a review. 👌🔥 Thanks
If you think that’s fast test out the 16” with the 5600M graphics card I’m blown away!
I’d love to
He is not using finder, what alternative is he using?
Stop making me want to upgrade!
sidebar, I want to pick your brain about sidecar sometime soon :)
Orrrrrr... maybe you should upgrade? And yeah I’m sidecar ready! Hit me up on twitter or Skype or ICQ or whatever
Will you buy it though ???
I’m still a little tempted to wait for one more spec bump, just because my 2018 machine is still pretty solid
Hi Tyler! Did you notice any popping sounds coming from the speakers during media playback?
I didn’t. Haven’t had it on my 2018 machine either
how is important to get the 32RAM. ? need your advice. thank you
What about ghosting display? What about lagging in Photoshop and Wacom driver? I think you didnt use Macbook pro 16 more than 5 hours.
I don’t use Wacom tablets, no photoshop lag, no ghosting display.
I'd been looking for a video about the MBP 16 for photographers. This pretty much confirms I'll be getting one. Thank you! (I've been holding out since the ol 2015 MBP so I'm way overdue)
Tyler, where did you get the black skin for your 15 inch?
Will you make A Photographer's Review on the iPhone 11? I don't recall having seeing that one in your channel yet.
Just a comment on the pricing.
Cost of SSD has fallen in the past 12 months, I am glad Apple is at least partly acknowledging that... But still these upgrades costs are 🤦
Daniele De Caprio it went down actually from the previous generations
@@JohnCasacop yeah I said Apple "partly acknowledging" that by lowering the cost a bit... But on all the line moving from 128 to 256 is still an 100£/$ update and a 2tb upgrade here is how much, 2k?
You can buy an off the shelf 2tb nvme drive for a 10th of the cost... you can still put one on a 2015 MacBook Pro today, it's not a different technology
The biggest upgrade and improvement, IMO, is the replacement of that crap butterfly keyboard with the scissor type keyboard.
@ 0:37
64GB RAM would be included in a fully-spec 2019 16". Add that into the equation with each having their max RAM offering per each model. Thus price matched...to the dollar.
can we edit 400mp hasselblad h6d-400c images on this machine
Tyler, is the 2019 MBP16 fan more quiet when running lightroom/photoshop/copying files over the 2018 MBP15?
Why didn’t you get the 64gb of ram?
Barely anyone needs that much ram. But also this was a review unit so I haven’t bought one for myself yet
I'd go for the base one, max the RAM and maybe 1/2TB of storage. Specced this way it's gonna last at least 5/6y without issues
The one upgrade I think is required is storage, but other than the that the base looks amazing
What kind of camera do you use
I have that same spec and it’s an absolute beast! What mac accessories do you always have with you for photo and even video. Awesome video! (Commenting for the reupload) 🤣
I can’t tell you how much I appreciate re-commenting 😁 best accessory tip I can make is try to get all your accessories native USB-C. It’s so worth the effort
Tyler Stalman even rewatched 👏🏻 anyways, I don’t really have any accessories other than a Apple usb to usb C. I need a fast sd card reader and a portable hub wouldn’t be so bad too.
Which iPhone 11 Pro case are you using?
Good update, but their needs to be much more done to get the macbook pro back to pro.
Under Jobs it had an sd card, ports, and magsafe, and 2 thunderbolt ports, it does not need 4, that other bandwidth needs to be for other ports, not new dongle cable and adapter sales, and a heavier bag.
I am still waiting for the sd card to return, as it will not add any weight.
And the return of at least some of the pre 2016 ports, HDMI, 2 X USBA (the newest type 2 spec), Separate fast charging magsafe, that does not take away a usbc/tb3 port, , and the battery indicator, digital in and out through dual 3.5 mm jacks (for musicians), ethernet, and ir blaster from the 2011-2012 Macbook Pros.
Only having one type of port save Apple a ton in production costs, not to mention the millions they make in required dongles, which is the whole reason usbc exists, it created a need for a whole new profitable market for cables, dongles, and adapters, that do not always work like they are supposed to.
My other wish is for color accurate 4K to edit 4K video, like the imac, and every pro windows 13-17" laptop.
Even at extra cost, just for that option.
HDR support for HDR software and cameras we use.
OLED or mini led XDR technology.
While Apple screen is top notch it is still 2012 technology and ppi, a lot has changed since then.
Touch...Mac OSX should have always had touch/pencil support, and the only reason it does not is the ipad sales would stop in their tracks.
As an artist, editor, musician in logic with it's mixing console, video editing, we know touch can sometimes be more productive then trackpad, or mouse for getting things done right and precisely.
But more than anything, is the ability to upgrade the ram and ssd later as my needs change.
I think Lenovo think pad X1 does the ports and upgradeability best.
At any time you can upgrade the base 16GB to 64GB, and 512GB ssd, to 2X4TB ssd retail which is less than half of apple built to order upgrade prices, and apple keeps your base ram and storage to put in another machine, with the Thinkpad, you can sell it.
Another thing is repairability, Apple is known to fight independent repair at every corner, refusing to sell OEM parts, and designing the keyboard, ssd, ram, wifi, and other things that make repairing them a minimum $1500 board replacement.
And for security when you sell your mac, you cannot keep the ssd, and even with encryption and secure delete, a hacker may recover some of your personal files when you sell your computer.
Having said that, this upgrade is a step in the right direction, and it has class leading speakers and trackpad, a reliable keyboard, better cooling and less thermal throttling for the 8 core, which used to be slower than the 6 core on extended processing, but most of all the finally got rid of the ancient AMD 500 series gpu's, which are as slow as a NVDIA MX250.
Apple must have got a great deal on them, and they were the biggest performance bottle neck, you had to upgrade $$$, to Vega 20 just to get acceptable graphics, the 5500m that apple uses has 2 more cores than it's windows courter part, and the 8GB video memory really helps, it should be comparable to a GTX 1660, but slower than a RTX 2060 with the same 8GB video ram.
I would suggest 2018 and before owners look at a tb3 enclosure and radeon 5500 or so, as an alternative to buying a 16", that way they can get even better performance for cheap, when they are at their desk setup.
I'm here from 2021, and you're wish for an SD card slot, HDMI port, MagSafe, and better performance has been granted!
@@cameronbosch1213 haha apple listen to most of my wants, I just can't afford it now, I should not have been so mean 🤔😉😊🙏♥️👍
Thank you for the video.
thank you for the video guys.
Hello Mr. Stalman. Thanks for the review. Are you expecting the i9 processor to be safe from thermal throttling?
What a great review!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 Thank you so much!! ☺️
Great to hear Tyler that you are getting sponsored lately in your videos!
Snazzy Labs (I think it was him, I've seen so many reviews) said the Intel 10th gen chips will have wifi 6 built in so I guess it's worth waiting for a mid lifespan refresh in 6-9 months. The 16in is almost identical to the 2014 15in I have in terms of thickness and footprint so I can't help but wonder if they could have squeezed in an SD card slot. SD is still wildly popular and even in some cameras with XQD or CF they have an SD as the second slot. I am glad that they're making the base option pretty powerful and have returned the escape key along with the more traditional keyboard mechanism. They do appear to be listening now. With more efficient chips than ever I'd personally take a hit in battery size if it meant a more solid connection to a built-in SD slot.
Just stumbled onto your channel. Subscribed. Thank you.
Make sure you use Resolve to edit on it as it is the quickest video editor
Do you think it’s enough 16gb of RAM for the new MacBook Pro 16 ?
Using LR most of the times
Wedding photographer
Catalin Vutcariov nah better to get with much more ram
In my experience handling a thousand-ish photos on import (like you would for a wedding), Lightroom uses on average 10-12GB of RAM on my iMac, so I’m glad I have 24GB. Might be helpful to have 32GB if you’re a wedding photographer.