I purchased your swimmers cut armor this year. The difference in mobility makes a huge difference especially if I wear it for extended periods of times. Honestly, I’ve worked out in it and had zero issues with range of motion or friction burns. Great product and plan to purchase more from Spartan in the future! God bless and be safe
@@simondazoe8825 I went with the Hydra plate carrier. Year later still no issues! Added a few things to it like mag pouches/med kit/hydration bladder. 100% worth the money.
Will the Swimmers cut plates fit in normal plate carriers? The Swimmers don’t look any wider nor larger than the Shooters cut plates. And also, is it ideal to have a Swimmers cut plate in the front, and a shooters cut in the back of the carrier? That way you have more mobility in the front, but more protection in the back?
Swimmers cut is also the move for folks gearing up for a gtfo kit. Being on the move with lots of gear and a backpack full of supplies, those few extra pounds make a big difference on how your knees are feeling after walking for a while. Less calories burned and less sweating in a potentially food or water limited situation is big.
With new high velocity heavy rounds entering civilian markets, is there any way to challenge that with these steel armors? An example would be a marriage between steel core and UHMWPE, as composits to counter the weaknesses of either. Not sure how that works as I am no expert on armor design, just wondering about the future.
Great question! The NIJ is in the process of updating their standards to account for more modern rounds capable of penetrating body armor. At this point there's not much out there that can easily penetrate a level IV plate. The big question is if level III is going to morph into what is considered level III+ right now.
@@SpartanArmorSystems Thanks for the quick reply. I only questioned the UHMWPE because then you could combine with steel core and use the steel to break up the round with the other layer catching it. I just don't know what the situation there is, I only know about that style of idea because russian body armor does something similar, where weaker steel plates break up the round and it is cought in the following lighter protection. NIJ will do what NIJ will do, and I do think that rounds and the science behind them are going and going to keep getting better. My view is and I remember hearing this somewhere before "that 30-06 of today is very different performance wise than the 30-06 of years past". Looking forward to seeing what you guys do in this feild going forward.
I never can understand why most body armor does not cover all vital areas. Most of them are about four inches or more up from the waist line. That leaves a lot of open area with vital organs vulnerable to serious injuries.
The issue, particularly with hard plates, is that if you get something truly long enough for those areas, you have a hell of a problem when you sit down in a vehicle or anywhere else. That rig will just dig itself into your thighs, and that's cool for about eight seconds.
When you are shooting you are supposed to lean in which will minimize that area. So if you do get shot the are more likely to get hit will be the body armor
Basically: body armor is designed for LEOs and troops in vehicles a majority of the time rather than in actual stand-up combat. Were we outfitting folks for stand up combat engagements only, you'd probably have shoulders, neck, and abdomen protection as well.
UARM Full Armor System has attachments for your collarbones, shoulders, neck, sides, stomach, groin, and your inner/outer thighs too. You can also get their armored battle belt for additional back protection.
So what happens when one bullet hits you where you aren't protected and it slows you down more than having a normal plate would kind of pointless honestly especially 🤦♂️
Typically if someone is purchasing the swimmers cut they are more interested in the shoulder mobility. If you are concerned with the level of protective coverage a swimmers cut offers I would recommend going with the shooters cut.
I purchased your swimmers cut armor this year. The difference in mobility makes a huge difference especially if I wear it for extended periods of times. Honestly, I’ve worked out in it and had zero issues with range of motion or friction burns. Great product and plan to purchase more from Spartan in the future! God bless and be safe
Glad you like them! We appreciate your business.
which harness did you get? comfort during workouts will be a decisive factor
@@simondazoe8825 I went with the Hydra plate carrier. Year later still no issues! Added a few things to it like mag pouches/med kit/hydration bladder. 100% worth the money.
@LittleYorgee yes we do!
Will the Swimmers cut plates fit in normal plate carriers? The Swimmers don’t look any wider nor larger than the Shooters cut plates. And also, is it ideal to have a Swimmers cut plate in the front, and a shooters cut in the back of the carrier? That way you have more mobility in the front, but more protection in the back?
Yes, but you might get a little movement in the top corners but they would fit any carrier that our shooters cut plates fit.
Does it make sense to wear swimmers cut in the front and shooter cut in the back? Or is it better to match up
Our carriers are not made for the kind of set up, if you put a swimmers cut in a shooters cut carrier it runs the risk of moving.
Do you guys make sprawling catchers for this shape?
Hello Mike,
Unfortuanately, we only offer our spall containment sleeve in the shooters cut.
Swimmers cut is also the move for folks gearing up for a gtfo kit. Being on the move with lots of gear and a backpack full of supplies, those few extra pounds make a big difference on how your knees are feeling after walking for a while. Less calories burned and less sweating in a potentially food or water limited situation is big.
Definitely a good choice for staying agile and on the move!
Thank you! That’s exactly the answer I needed to hear my friend. That’s what I was looking for.
Swimmer cut level 4 coming out when¿
We do not have any plans for creating a swimmers cut style in our level 4 ceramics.
With new high velocity heavy rounds entering civilian markets, is there any way to challenge that with these steel armors? An example would be a marriage between steel core and UHMWPE, as composits to counter the weaknesses of either. Not sure how that works as I am no expert on armor design, just wondering about the future.
Great question! The NIJ is in the process of updating their standards to account for more modern rounds capable of penetrating body armor. At this point there's not much out there that can easily penetrate a level IV plate. The big question is if level III is going to morph into what is considered level III+ right now.
@@SpartanArmorSystems Thanks for the quick reply. I only questioned the UHMWPE because then you could combine with steel core and use the steel to break up the round with the other layer catching it. I just don't know what the situation there is, I only know about that style of idea because russian body armor does something similar, where weaker steel plates break up the round and it is cought in the following lighter protection. NIJ will do what NIJ will do, and I do think that rounds and the science behind them are going and going to keep getting better. My view is and I remember hearing this somewhere before "that 30-06 of today is very different performance wise than the 30-06 of years past". Looking forward to seeing what you guys do in this feild going forward.
Hey Dear Spartan Team.
Ive gotta ask, do you Ship to Germany and do you Supply Zivil Persons ?
I was on youre Website but i cant find Information For what Country you Shipping to
Sorry, unfortunately we cannot ship outside of the United States due to ITAR restrictions.
@@SpartanArmorSystems Ok anyways thanks For the Answer Guys :)
Do you have swim cut trauma pads?
Yes, you can find them here: www.spartanarmorsystems.com/swimmers-cut-trauma-pad-set-of-two-10x12/
I never can understand why most body armor does not cover all vital areas. Most of them are about four inches or more up from the waist line. That leaves a lot of open area with vital organs vulnerable to serious injuries.
The issue, particularly with hard plates, is that if you get something truly long enough for those areas, you have a hell of a problem when you sit down in a vehicle or anywhere else. That rig will just dig itself into your thighs, and that's cool for about eight seconds.
When you are shooting you are supposed to lean in which will minimize that area. So if you do get shot the are more likely to get hit will be the body armor
Basically: body armor is designed for LEOs and troops in vehicles a majority of the time rather than in actual stand-up combat. Were we outfitting folks for stand up combat engagements only, you'd probably have shoulders, neck, and abdomen protection as well.
UARM Full Armor System has attachments for your collarbones, shoulders, neck, sides, stomach, groin, and your inner/outer thighs too. You can also get their armored battle belt for additional back protection.
The drowners cut
So what happens when one bullet hits you where you aren't protected and it slows you down more than having a normal plate would kind of pointless honestly especially 🤦♂️
Typically if someone is purchasing the swimmers cut they are more interested in the shoulder mobility. If you are concerned with the level of protective coverage a swimmers cut offers I would recommend going with the shooters cut.
@@SpartanArmorSystems FairPoint 🤔
@@dankdaze42069not to bright are ya 😂
@@mrgrump2534 No I'm just using common sense You must been dropped on your head when you were born huh 🫠
@@mrgrump2534 your mom would say differently 😏...