Don't call Crye... Or these companies like Crye could make a one time chart and quit playing all these games. I myself waited 5 months to get plates after 12 weeks waiting for my JPC 1.0 carrier just to find out large plates in a large carrier was more loose than a $2 hooker. Easy enough fix with a yoga mat cut to size but still. This video was more informative than anything I have seen in the past year. Bravo.
@@EODFish That's true. Just would be nice if someone was able to get the most popular carriers and plates, then fit on camera. I think it would be a great video to cut out some of the confusion some of us have. Your video was great btw.
@@meee175 I’m glad you liked it. A video like that would be useful but to be honest, people would still only watch it after the fact. This community refuses to do their due diligence.
Large “shooters” cut is nearly the same as medium sapi as well with hesco. The also do a different cut that is their LE cut I believe. Excellent video dude!
Was getting tired of answering my friends questions like "will my xx size jpc fit xx cut xx size plate?". Now I can just send em this vid haha Keep up the great work!
Thank you so much for this video! Do you mind if I ask how tall/how much you weigh and does the small AVS plate pouch fit you? I’m 6 ft 155 and am wondering if the medium or small is better. If I can fit large swimmers in a small standard/sapi, I feel like that might not been too bad. Esp if the medium avs sapi’s are out of stock until November
@@EODFish thank you so much for the input! I’m at a bit of a crossroad here as the avs sapi medium plate bags won’t be in stock until early Nov but the medium swimmers cut is in stock. Would you wait for the sapi’s or get the swimmers cut now?
thanks for sharing‼️ my friends and relatives in Ukraine fighting for their country and their families with strongest and dangerous aggressor in the world we looking for every way to help them save lives if you can please help to develop level 3+ level 4 improvised DIY step by step method to make SAPI plates for our patriots and civilians in Ukraine easy made stand alone plate has to withstand against 7.62×39 LPS Mid Steel Core and 7.62×54R LPS Mid Steel Core rounds which Russian army troops commonly uses in general it equals 30-06 rounds but have some specifics such as a small steel penetrators inside bullets in the middle ...
Kind of a tangential question I was hoping you could give advice on. Do you think you lose much protection going down a plate size? I have about 10" nipple to nip, but would it be a big deal if I got SAPI cut smalls instead of mediums? I'm assuming the comfort doesn't change much, as long as you're not going up in plate size. I'm also a bit of a short torso, long legged guy, so I suspect that the shorter length would actually fit me a bit better.
Perfect overview for explaining fitment of armor in ESAPI-cut rigs. If I had a nickel for every L210 being sold as dudes couldn't fit them in their carriers lmao. Can't wait for more dudes to understand that some carriers fit Armor + backers
Is it normal for the avs with harness to fit a little large? I have a jpc 2.0 in medium and a avs with harness in medium and the jpc feels smaller compared to the avs with harness? I actually prefer the way the jpc feels smaller on the body. What’s the reason for this? And also is that the reason why you have a medium jpc and a small avs?
I have the small because I got it in a trade, my work AVS is a medium. I think you are just experiencing the bulk of the harness which is also why I prefer the JPC or SPC to the AVS.
Hesco 3810. Or if you're really rolling in money, Hesco U210. Or if you just want pistol/buckshot protection while being as light and thin as possible, Hesco P210.
@@EODFish That class of plate (hard polyethylene Level IIIA) is really underrated. They stop basically everything except rifle rounds with much less backface deformation that what you get with soft armor, and weigh basically nothing. A 10x12 P210 plate is like 1 pound. They almost make chest rigs obsolete. Why wear a chest rig when for a mere two extra pounds you can protect your vitals against all handgun threats, shotgun threats, explosive shrapnel, and stabs?
Civilian new to body armor here, looking for an affordable set-up. I was considering the Battle Steel IIIA+ hard plates and wondered if I would need trauma pads or if a set of IIIA+ soft armor could be used as a trauma pad. I considered level III or IV plates, but I was concerned about the weight. I appreciate any feedback. Thanks!
When you look at “affordable” plates there are just too many trade offs to weigh to make a recommendation possible. Low cost plates are either going to be super thick, super heavy, or single curve. None of those are ideal but once you pick what you can handle it gets easier to narrow down.
Do you think it would be possible to use 8x10 plates in a carrier, that’s says it hold 10x12 plates. I just ordered the carrier and my buddy told me he has two spare 8x10 plates. so I was wondering if you think they would work. thank you
Hey man sorry if it's a dumb question but I bought a jpc 2.0 maritime large and i have 10x12 shooter cut plates. On the website i saw it fits 10x12 swimmer cut plates so will my shooter cut 10x12s fit? Eventually i want to get the right plates but if im good for now that'd give me peace of mind Edit: great vids btw!
I just bought a medium crye jpc. I looked at the hesco 4400. Good combo? Good plates? Any info would be awesome. I can’t find any good info on this stuff.
I have a large sapi carrier, will large shooters cut plates be too small? If so would adding plate backers make it better? This is my first plate carrier and set of plates
Hi I have never bought body armor before and have a few questions. 1. What size Hesco plates should I get? For cut, I was thinking of getting a shooter cut because I'm assuming it is easier to shoulder a rifle more fully? My measurements- (I am on the smaller side. I am about 5ft 6 1/2 and weigh about 120lbs). Chest circumference = approximately 32in Jugular notch down to my belly button = approximately 13-14in Center of one nipple to the center of the other = approx. 7.5in 2. What size plate carrier should I get based on my plate size?
You could do a 8x10 swimmer/shooter cut (they are essentially the same) but I don’t know a carrier that fits them intentionally. I would cut your losses and get a small sapi cut plate and learn to work around it as there are way more carriers sized for them.
@@EODFish Thank you for the reply! I ordered a small crye airlite spc months ago that is sapi cut. I know my measurements say I should get a small but I still worry that I'll receive my carrier and plates and feel like they're not covering anything. Guess I'll just find out 🤷♂️. I would assume the small spc couldn't fit medium sapi?
Depending on the way the vest is configured single curve can be ultra annoying. For example, the SPC shoulder straps pull from the front of the plates and it can be pretty uncomfortable with single curve plates.
I ordered some 10x12 Swimmers. Hoplite 26225 or 26, whichever is the larger. Will these fit fine in a medium/large JPC 2.0, or should I definitely try to find the large* swimmer JPC 2.0?
Exactly the question I have been having forever. Got 2 sets of L210's and were pretty sloppy in a Crye JPC 1.0. Large L210's plates in a large carrier do not work. I ended up getting a nice yoga mat from Wal-Mart and snugged it up. Pretty frustrating, should have got SAPI instead.
@@EODFish I don’t understand why they call Mira and legacy plates shooters cut but they are shaped just like sapi cut and i read that the k zero well take sapi shooters and simmers cut
@@EODFish will Hesco 4101 6x6 side plates work in the Crye armor chassis or do you think the Hesco 4100 6x6 will work? The 4100 side plates are 0.93inches thick and the 4101 side plates are 1.19inches thick
Hey I know this is a bit off topic but I’m looking to buy my first set of plates and can’t seem to find a good answer to my question. I’m wondering what is the most comfortable between single curve or Multi-curved.. is one better for front and another for rear or do you recommend Multi-curved for front and back or is single curved front and back a safer option? I’m pretty standard slim build fwiw. Thx in advance!
@@EODFish okay good to know, thx for a straight answer. Was shocked that I couldn’t find anyone discussing that topic directly. Any familiarity with tactical scorpion gear PE plates? $200 a piece for multi curved 3+ and they weigh about 3lbs each
@@EODFish yeah seems almost too good to be true but I came across them from RUclips torture testing and they seem to hold up to the rating. I’m sure they are not formally tested by NIJ but I think they match the standard still. They have a 30 day lead time, good customer reviews, wide selection, and their customer service has already been very helpful and responsive to my email inquiries.
Hey I got a Crye Precision SPC in large, what size Hesco plates will fit best? It's killing me trying to decide if 10x12 will work or do I need bigger? Thanks.
Literally all the content no one else makes well but people need to know you make. Thanks
Thanks man, now to hopefully grow some more traction on the dissemination.
Don't call Crye... Or these companies like Crye could make a one time chart and quit playing all these games. I myself waited 5 months to get plates after 12 weeks waiting for my JPC 1.0 carrier just to find out large plates in a large carrier was more loose than a $2 hooker. Easy enough fix with a yoga mat cut to size but still. This video was more informative than anything I have seen in the past year. Bravo.
I understand your frustration but Crye does make both Sapi and Swimmer cut carriers. The research end of the issue really isn’t on them beyond that.
@@EODFish That's true. Just would be nice if someone was able to get the most popular carriers and plates, then fit on camera. I think it would be a great video to cut out some of the confusion some of us have. Your video was great btw.
@@meee175 I’m glad you liked it. A video like that would be useful but to be honest, people would still only watch it after the fact. This community refuses to do their due diligence.
@@EODFish I 100% agree.
Large “shooters” cut is nearly the same as medium sapi as well with hesco. The also do a different cut that is their LE cut I believe. Excellent video dude!
Asking the real questions
My jpc medium 2.0 swimmer cut will fit both medium esapi and large swimmers perfectly
Well that’s just goofy.
@Chris Shipp saber solutions
U think a small esapi will fit in a jpc 2.0 medium swimmer cut?
It’s like a Eodfishathon Dropin likes on all them vids bro 🤙
Hahaha. When I have time, I have time.
Heaven forbid Crye should just do the homework and find the plates that fit best in their vests
What are you talking about?
Was getting tired of answering my friends questions like "will my xx size jpc fit xx cut xx size plate?". Now I can just send em this vid haha
Keep up the great work!
Dude I gotta say you just earned yourself a subscriber.... Seriously thank you so much for making a video about this!!!! THANK YOU
Absolutely dude. I want to fill the voids out there instead of just wash, rinse, and repeat the hot topics.
Thank you so much for this video! Do you mind if I ask how tall/how much you weigh and does the small AVS plate pouch fit you? I’m 6 ft 155 and am wondering if the medium or small is better. If I can fit large swimmers in a small standard/sapi, I feel like that might not been too bad. Esp if the medium avs sapi’s are out of stock until November
You are certainly skinny enough but at 6ft I wouldn’t want the height of the small.
@@EODFish thank you so much for the input! I’m at a bit of a crossroad here as the avs sapi medium plate bags won’t be in stock until early Nov but the medium swimmers cut is in stock. Would you wait for the sapi’s or get the swimmers cut now?
thanks for sharing‼️
my friends and relatives in Ukraine fighting for their country and their families with strongest and dangerous aggressor in the world
we looking for every way to help them save lives
if you can please help to develop level 3+ level 4 improvised DIY step by step method to make SAPI plates for our patriots and civilians in Ukraine
easy made stand alone plate has to withstand against 7.62×39 LPS Mid Steel Core and 7.62×54R LPS Mid Steel Core rounds which Russian army troops commonly uses
in general it equals 30-06 rounds but have some specifics such as a small steel penetrators inside bullets in the middle ...
will my large sapi plate fit in a side pouch
With enough effort.
Question will my random plates fit in a random carrier? Thanks.
My exact thoughts. I get it almost every video.
Kind of a tangential question I was hoping you could give advice on. Do you think you lose much protection going down a plate size? I have about 10" nipple to nip, but would it be a big deal if I got SAPI cut smalls instead of mediums? I'm assuming the comfort doesn't change much, as long as you're not going up in plate size.
I'm also a bit of a short torso, long legged guy, so I suspect that the shorter length would actually fit me a bit better.
I think more exposed lung isn’t a great idea.
I'm looking into plates and carriers. will a size Medium RMA 1092 fit well with a Medium JPC 2.0? SAPI
I don’t know, I don’t have the RMAs. Compare them to ESAPI specs.
Perfect overview for explaining fitment of armor in ESAPI-cut rigs. If I had a nickel for every L210 being sold as dudes couldn't fit them in their carriers lmao. Can't wait for more dudes to understand that some carriers fit Armor + backers
I wasn’t even going to touch on backers.
@@EODFish **Justs shoves it in** lmao
Insert “take it out” screenshot
Are the large L210’s 10”x12”?
Would a medium M210 fit into a medium swimmer AVS
A large m210 will. Do they make a medium?
Is it normal for the avs with harness to fit a little large? I have a jpc 2.0 in medium and a avs with harness in medium and the jpc feels smaller compared to the avs with harness? I actually prefer the way the jpc feels smaller on the body. What’s the reason for this? And also is that the reason why you have a medium jpc and a small avs?
I have the small because I got it in a trade, my work AVS is a medium. I think you are just experiencing the bulk of the harness which is also why I prefer the JPC or SPC to the AVS.
Hey man I got an eagle industries mmac (medium swimmer cut) I keep hearing that medium sapis will fit. What do you think is the best option??
What did you use to modify the bottom of your vest? Is that an add on that someone sells?
I sent it to a seamstress that had to take it apart to fix.
Im running a large shooter cut 3810
Accidentally got a large pc and Med plate now I gotta sell it at some point
Thanks for the video! I whish you'd slide the L210 medium SAPI in the Medium jpc to see how it fit, as I will get the same setup
My L210 was swimmer cut.
So does this also apply to the swimmer AVS? Like will large (10x12) L210 hesco fit inside a small swimmer AVS?
No. A large swimmer cut plate (L210) isn’t going to fit in a small swimmer cut PC.
Just got the Medium Crye JPC 1.0 on sale, what are some good SAPI medium plates to buy...want lightweight if possible.
I’m not really the guy for that question. There are far better armor nerds out there than myself.
Hesco 3810.
Or if you're really rolling in money, Hesco U210.
Or if you just want pistol/buckshot protection while being as light and thin as possible, Hesco P210.
@@dgd947a15fl the P210s really are wild.
@@EODFish
That class of plate (hard polyethylene Level IIIA) is really underrated. They stop basically everything except rifle rounds with much less backface deformation that what you get with soft armor, and weigh basically nothing.
A 10x12 P210 plate is like 1 pound. They almost make chest rigs obsolete. Why wear a chest rig when for a mere two extra pounds you can protect your vitals against all handgun threats, shotgun threats, explosive shrapnel, and stabs?
But swimmer cut 5 lb training plates??? Anyone? Seems they don’t exist!!
Don’t waste money on training plates.
Civilian new to body armor here, looking for an affordable set-up. I was considering the Battle Steel IIIA+ hard plates and wondered if I would need trauma pads or if a set of IIIA+ soft armor could be used as a trauma pad. I considered level III or IV plates, but I was concerned about the weight. I appreciate any feedback. Thanks!
Battle Steel is Chinesium so I’d steer clear. Also, don’t worry about trauma pads unless you get in-conjunction with plates.
@@EODFish Thanks for the info! Any recommendations for affordable US made plates?
When you look at “affordable” plates there are just too many trade offs to weigh to make a recommendation possible. Low cost plates are either going to be super thick, super heavy, or single curve. None of those are ideal but once you pick what you can handle it gets easier to narrow down.
@@EODFish hesco 4401's tbh. i got 10x12's and they fit in my 150$ LBT 6094 perfectly. 7.5lb's a plate in a lvl 4 plate is pretty good for the money.
Yeah, that’s a prime example right there, everything you want but a big weight penalty. L210s agains, everything you want but single curve.
Do you think it would be possible to use 8x10 plates in a carrier, that’s says it hold 10x12 plates. I just ordered the carrier and my buddy told me he has two spare 8x10 plates. so I was wondering if you think they would work. thank you
No, it will be an awful experience.
Hey man sorry if it's a dumb question but I bought a jpc 2.0 maritime large and i have 10x12 shooter cut plates. On the website i saw it fits 10x12 swimmer cut plates so will my shooter cut 10x12s fit? Eventually i want to get the right plates but if im good for now that'd give me peace of mind
Edit: great vids btw!
I think those plates are what Crye considers a medium but let me know how it works out once you get it in.
@@EODFish will do boss
Your JPC was size medium or small? I know you said medium but want to make sure, cause another channel said the L210 10x12 will fit the small JPC
That was a small AVS in the video.
I just bought a medium crye jpc. I looked at the hesco 4400. Good combo? Good plates? Any info would be awesome. I can’t find any good info on this stuff.
I have never really looked into them so I can’t say.
Im a 172 lb. 5 foot 10. Is 11 by 14 too big? Thank you sir.
Yes but if it works for you, you get better coverage.
I have a large sapi carrier, will large shooters cut plates be too small? If so would adding plate backers make it better? This is my first plate carrier and set of plates
It will probably work well enough, just not ideal.
Hesco swimmer/shooters cut are single curve which sucks. Hoplite makes triple curve Swimmers
Then you have to weigh the pros and cons of buying from Hoplite. I chose single curve.
Could you fit a 4410 8x10 single cut in a pig brig?
8x10s are tiny so yes, they will fit but they will also swim.
@@EODFish I’m sorry I meant full cut
What will fit a medium velocity systems scarab?
Medium Sapis
What plates would best fit my JPC 2.0 Swimmer cut size SMALL?? you're the man!!
Contract plates. You need a different carrier.
I have a small crye jpc. Will a medium swimmers cut caliber armor plate fit?
It should, that said, I probably don’t have any experience with the plates you have.
Hi I have never bought body armor before and have a few questions.
1. What size Hesco plates should I get? For cut, I was thinking of getting a shooter cut because I'm assuming it is easier to shoulder a rifle more fully?
My measurements- (I am on the smaller side. I am about 5ft 6 1/2 and weigh about 120lbs).
Chest circumference = approximately 32in
Jugular notch down to my belly button = approximately 13-14in
Center of one nipple to the center of the other = approx. 7.5in
2. What size plate carrier should I get based on my plate size?
You could do a 8x10 swimmer/shooter cut (they are essentially the same) but I don’t know a carrier that fits them intentionally. I would cut your losses and get a small sapi cut plate and learn to work around it as there are way more carriers sized for them.
@@EODFish Thank you for the reply! I ordered a small crye airlite spc months ago that is sapi cut. I know my measurements say I should get a small but I still worry that I'll receive my carrier and plates and feel like they're not covering anything. Guess I'll just find out 🤷♂️. I would assume the small spc couldn't fit medium sapi?
How you like those L210’s? Single curve bother you?
Depending on the way the vest is configured single curve can be ultra annoying. For example, the SPC shoulder straps pull from the front of the plates and it can be pretty uncomfortable with single curve plates.
I ordered some 10x12 Swimmers. Hoplite 26225 or 26, whichever is the larger. Will these fit fine in a medium/large JPC 2.0, or should I definitely try to find the large* swimmer JPC 2.0?
The ideal fit should be a medium swimmer cut JPC but they will ride fine in a medium or even small sapi cut.
@@EODFish how is it I’ve scoured the internet for this answer and here is the only person actually answering my question
That’s what I’m here for man.
Helpful
Exactly the question I have been having forever. Got 2 sets of L210's and were pretty sloppy in a Crye JPC 1.0. Large L210's plates in a large carrier do not work. I ended up getting a nice yoga mat from Wal-Mart and snugged it up. Pretty frustrating, should have got SAPI instead.
Small sapi cut will fit them or medium swimmer.
Get soft armor to put under it and make it even more bullet resistant
Will a 10x12 shooters cut fit in the Agilite plate carriers
Probably but not well
@@EODFish I don’t understand why they call Mira and legacy plates shooters cut but they are shaped just like sapi cut and i read that the k zero well take sapi shooters and simmers cut
And I also noticed that the shooters cuts i been looking at are shaped wayyy my like the sapi cut
That swimmer cut large is basically just a 10x12 right
No
@@EODFishwell it's not an 11x14..soo....
@kalanipitmon7817 it fit in a small sapi pocket so it can’t basically be a 10x12
so should large sapi cut Hesco 4800s work well with a large Crye CPC and CAC?
Yes
@@EODFish will Hesco 4101 6x6 side plates work in the Crye armor chassis or do you think the Hesco 4100 6x6 will work? The 4100 side plates are 0.93inches thick and the 4101 side plates are 1.19inches thick
@@joshmorrison5142 no idea man, it depends how true to 6x6 they are.
Hey I know this is a bit off topic but I’m looking to buy my first set of plates and can’t seem to find a good answer to my question. I’m wondering what is the most comfortable between single curve or Multi-curved.. is one better for front and another for rear or do you recommend Multi-curved for front and back or is single curved front and back a safer option? I’m pretty standard slim build fwiw. Thx in advance!
The only thing in the pro column for single curve is price. If you can find a multicurve in your budget, you will be much happier.
@@EODFish okay good to know, thx for a straight answer. Was shocked that I couldn’t find anyone discussing that topic directly. Any familiarity with tactical scorpion gear PE plates? $200 a piece for multi curved 3+ and they weigh about 3lbs each
I’m not super smart on PE armor but that seems to be checking a suspicious number of boxes at that price.
@@EODFish yeah seems almost too good to be true but I came across them from RUclips torture testing and they seem to hold up to the rating. I’m sure they are not formally tested by NIJ but I think they match the standard still. They have a 30 day lead time, good customer reviews, wide selection, and their customer service has already been very helpful and responsive to my email inquiries.
would that l210 fit in a small crye SPC?
Yes
@@EODFish you da man!
Hey I got a Crye Precision SPC in large, what size Hesco plates will fit best? It's killing me trying to decide if 10x12 will work or do I need bigger? Thanks.
Swimmer cut or sapi?
@@EODFish sorry, I got the sapi cut.
You need large sapi cut plates then my dude. Really no way around it, I don’t think you will like the way 10x12 mediums will ride.
@@EODFish gotcha well the large spc won't ship until March so maybe I'll give Crye a call and change my size to medium.
@@EODFish although some large sapi Hesco 4400 might work out good. I appreciate the help! Keep up the great content.
10x12 civ sapi cut should go away
100% agree. All sapi or swimmer with an exception for blatantly proprietary.
Because they are between sizes and fit nothing well.
Would a medium JPC 2.0 fit well with the L210s? Or would you recommend sizing up to a large JPC 2.0?
Did you watch the video?
@@EODFish Lol I did. But I didn't know if you would have suggested a large JPC if I planned on using a backer.
You didn’t mention a backer until now though.
@@EODFish My bad for not being specific
I’d still get a medium swimmer for the 10x12 L210s. The more utilitarian move though would be a medium Sapi cut knowing that there may be some play.
This plate has foam on strike face and back side ?
Which plate?
@@EODFish L210
No, they are not comfy at all.
@@EODFish Yes, that's why it's so thin. Because there is no foam.
Hey EPD Fish i got a pair of Bulletproofit LLC 4401s and theyre approximately the size of Hesco swimmers. What carrier will they fit?
Which size of Hesco swimmers, they have a few different ones.
@@EODFish i believe these are equivalent to the larges. 10x12
Medium swimmer cut Crye vests.
@@EODFish ok but im broke. Any less expensive than Crye options?
@@shitwardtesticles4840 all of the SKD exclusive rigs should be sized for them also.