Man, this is my dreamboat and I'm so happy you're posting these videos! I can live vicariously through you, without having to spend a million dollars on a boat just yet. Please keep these videos coming and congrats on the completely badass vessel.
Really like these videos. It’s the reality of sailing in difficult conditions ! It’s a really cool ship. And she seems to be handeling the weather conditions thrown at her very well! Hats of to the crew ! Hope you have fair winds going forward!
awesome show so far. i subscribed! what a beautiful boat! you are very lucky to have her. gives me somethign to dream about for the next few years until i am able to get my own baby.
I find this funny that you tought this was a nightmare. I grew up in these waters and sail in scandinavia and the north sea allot. And me and my friends who have been growing up here we love sailing in these conditions. Its like going in the more advanced slopes in the alpes. How ever, I love the HR44C and love that you share! I have a N380 so a heavy Orust boat but i dream of gearing up to your league! :) All the best!
Thank you! I really fell in love with your sailing grounds. The weather is legit up there so hats off to you. I was crapping myself thinking I was going to be the first to ever crash their new Rassy on the rocks. In the end we were obviously fine and laughed about it.
Thank you so much for posting this video! I watch a lot of similar videos and have a few open ocean trips under my belt so making these comments from a mixture of admittedly little by comparison experience and my readings: 1. would an inner forestay with a small jib on a roller help? I watched Sailing Beaver and that boat was sailed from Norway to NZ, a Benetau 40, and they said the # 1 improvement they did to the boat to prepare for the trip was the inner forestay. Also I almost bought a 42’ Jeanneau DS (I realize there is no comparison) and in my research I came across a guy from Turkey who added one (inner forestay) to his Jeanneau 42 with the sail on a roller and he said in higher winds the difference was phenomenal … in his words: “my wife’s favourite sail”. Roll up the large foresail, unroll the smaller inner sail and everything changed. 2. I did sail from Shetland to Faroe and back to Scotland on a HR 46 and on that boat the dingy was upside down on the foredeck. They had a lifting harness set up and we could have it in the water and engine on in maybe 10 minutes. In 40 kts of wind the dingy must have been a factor. If you get caught in that kind of wind but with larger waves the dingy may pose a threat to the boat back there. Thats my comment from the cheap seats. Very interested in what others have say.
These are great comments!! The dinghy off the back certainly could have affected the balance a bit. It’s an ultralight…so only about 70 lbs, but add the 100lb moter and the Davits, who knows. We were thinking it needed more weight in front but never thought of relocating the dink. I do have a removable inner forestay and wished on several occasions that I had had it pre-rigged with my storm jib ready on the foredeck. It certainly may have helped. I will try one or both of these ideas! Thank you 😊
@@sailinghaldis … apologies, one more thing. The HR 46 I sailed on also had railings at the mast, port and starboard, U shaped. I know you have roller furling so you won’t be at the mast as much as we were for reefing but if you are at the mast while sailing they sure increased the safety exponentially. We also stood on them as lookouts when coming into ports with lots of small fishing marks in the waters. Enjoy your boat, it looks amazing! Dream boat for sure. I am sure you will get to know each other really well over the years.
Rather gnarly sailing conditions I would say. Well, HR DOES make it boats "more modern" each generation. Wider stern straight bow: that doesn't help when sailing close hauled into significant waves.
100% correct. They need to sell boats. I just don’t know why so many manufacturers jumped on the Frers bandwagon with this style. It looks good but God forbid you have to beat upwind. On this trip, I witnessed a French family in an older HR 40 leave harbour and beat up wind for hours from Ibiza toward Barcelona. It certainly wasn’t a pleasant ride but you could see that older V hull bouncing and cutting through the waves like a butter knife. Maybe there was slamming, but certainly not as much as we endured.
@@sailinghaldis That is funny: I do own a HR40 (#44), and years ago we had to sail close hauled for one and a half day towards the Netherlands from Norway I think in wind force 6.. We had to, in order to be avoid wind force 10. It wasn't fun and I asked myself during the trip: do I really like sailing? but it was doable. Even the stern of the older HR40 is quite wide to my taste. I love the shape of the HR39. On the other hand, I am not a gentleman, as they don't sail up to the wind I am told LOL!
I wouldn't be concerned about the slamming. It comes with the territory of sailing into short, steep waves. This was a delivery passage, hence the need to sail to something of a schedule rather than waiting for more favourable wind and wave conditions. I heard the slamming noises in the video and thought nothing of them. I compared them with what we experienced in our former Garcia (now there's a flat bottom!) while rounding Land's End. We had to tack our way around that difficult feature, upwind, in near-gale to gale conditions. Force 7 to Force 8, in the pitch dark of a moonless night. It seriously felt like the boat was getting airborne over the Atlantic swells that were rolling in. We would wait for the most godawful slamming, crashing noises, with tons of green water coming over the bow and smacking into the windows. Fortunately, this was only on port tack, so we had some reprieve with each change of direction. After rounding we had a beam reach in impressive seas all the way to Cherbourg, which made the preceding upwind stuff worth it. Gentlemen don't sail to wind, they say. Except when they need to, preferably in good boats like yours. Thanks for this video Thomas. I learnt a new word. 'Epilating'.
Thank you so much for that thoughtful response. I have seen videos of the ocean racers and they were slamming terribly. I don’t plan on going to weather like that too often but it’s good to know she could handle it. I really appreciate your experienced perspective.
Love the content love the honesty, i read thru the comments to see if this question has been posted but i didn't find it... So here it goes: Whith so many options on the used market for less money more space and especially more Confort, why oh why would you ever buy this boat when you clearly know these modern "form stability driven" hulls are like this, I dont mean to offend I just don't understand it...😅 Cheers
I appreciate the compliment and the comment. You ask a great question that I may have to make a video to answer fully. I saved and purchased what was in my mind, the best new boat possible with the best stability curves and B/D ratio. I placed the deposit over two years ago, when I was much less experienced and knowledgeable. As much as I would have loved an older HR 48 MKII, I had to buy new and I trusted the HR reputation. My mission has always been offshore sailing. I was however, ignorant to the effect of the new hull shape on upwind performance in heavy, short period seas. This has been the only surprise but the pros who sailed with me felt it could have been much worse compared to other new hull forms. After sailing 3200NM this summer, I still believe the HR44, is the best hybrid of the new hull shapes with a reasonable blend between old and new. Its construction quality, comfort, styling, the fittings, the rig, and something I didn’t consider, the warranty service, are impeccable. If you’re wondering, I would absolutely buy the HR44 again.
@@sailinghaldis I get it, if you had to buy new, you didn't have much to choose from, besides the kraken that is, lol A video would be nice, sharing the knowledge, to help others make a decision should be any sailors priority, not showing bikinis. cheers mate 💪
Please please tell us that you are going around the world in this beautiful dream sailboat! You can lie if you have to, but we would love to see a circumnavigation in something like this!
Watching your movie I think you are pushing her a little to hard. Not that the boat can't take it but I'm thinking on your crew. Heeling to much doesn't provide more speed, only discomfort to the crew. Try with some less sail area when the windspeed is increasing. Both main and foresail, to get a good balance in the boat. I think you will find it a lot more comfortable. Have a a nice trip, I'll follow you on RUclips!
I agree. We were pushing her hard. Eventually, we did furl the main a touch and she leveled out nicely. Unfortunately, the wind didn’t allow us to sail the whole way down so we motored, motor sailed or sailed. Probably 1/3 each for the trip. It was an upwind slog! Thank you for following. 😊
It is a surprice it slams so badly in that weather. They need it to be fast and due to that the hull is flat. The older models are anything but flat and have a deep hull that cuts the water. Baltic waves are extra bad because the whole sea is shallow due to that waves are steep and not far from each other.
Yeh… weather makes or breaks an experience in the great outdoors. I have led Seakayaking tours and expeditions in the Baltic, the west coast of Norway and the UK, the very first point in my welcome chat is “Prudence is the better part of valour” I guess you’re glad you went with the “hardtop” 👌🏻
Agree completely. The first squall really caught us by surprise. I’m just so glad we got tied up before the next round. Otherwise it was just a struggle to make southerly progress.
That is such a nice sailboat! I was tempted to say that you are so lucky, but the truth is, you no doubt earned it and luck had nothing to do with it. One point... when it slammed and mad that bang noise, I thought that Hallberg's didn't do that? Is there a new hull shape that is doing that vs the older sailboats or did they all - new design and old design - slam when in heavy waves? To a non sailor it does sound brutal but I seem to hear it on all the popular sailboats ie Delos, the Vancouver 42 etc. I don't recall hearing that on Cloudy Bay sailing (HR 54) but they rarely sailed in storms. Would love to see a side by side comparison of all sailboats in storms.
I can tell you for sure that all sailboats can slam. I was on an island packet 40 in heavy seas-slammed. A Kauffman 47-slammed. But the flatter hull of the new HR made the slamming much more frequent, especially when motoring into an upwind swell,. Thank you for the comment!!
All modern boats slam > floor space down below , Beneteau etc really bad , Unless you go for a deep V older yacht BUT then you arnt doing 8 to 10 knots to windward . Nice boat
I’m very surprised at the way the HR 44 handles the conditions - the deck is very wet, it’s pounding into the waves, and slamming hard. It looks like it’s not balanced very well, maybe you should review how she’s loaded?
The “very scary passage” going out from Ellös towards Lysekil that is talked about in the video is a place I have sailed (not motored) past so many times in my 24ft sailboat. With winds form SSE as was evident in the wind there is NO chance of being blown onto the rocks if you know how to handle a boat. With a westerly strong wind and rough waves it would be much harder but no problem for such a big boat.
Yeah , you really can't stop the slamming going up wind with a hull shape that is flat forward of the keel . Makes them fast in light air but not comfortable in any seas forward of the beam . Also the plumb bow makes for a wet ride. How was the helm ? Neutral? or did you have any weather helm at 20 degrees of heal .
Yes, we tried all sorts of tricks. Motoring with mainsail off the wind helped a little bit. It really all depended on the period of the waves. Sometimes the boat will just oscillate and on the third or fourth rise it would come slamming down and reset only to do it again. There was slight Weather helm but not a terrible amount. I felt like we had the boat healed a little bit too much… as usual, furling the main ship did not affect our speed too much.
I agree. I do not get the obsession to speed in these type of boats. I would take the 0,2 - 0,4 knots away from the speed to have a deeper hull in front of the keel. The comfort and feeling improves a lot when the boat goes like a train. Well it is more expensive to make...
A friend of mine bought a boat very similar to yours. Jenneau 44 , twin rudders , fin keel . He sailed to Antigua from Canada . Said the boat had to micro managed to sail her flat , it was a tough trip , he was very tired . He sold it there and bought a Hylas 49 . Sparkman Steven’s design . He’s been sailing that offshore for the last 5 years . Says it’s a much better blue water boat . I have a Bristol 45.5 and it is great in big seas . Never slams . But these boats have slack bilges . I think they moved away from them due to cost of laying up this shape of hull . My keel is also integral to the hull . Same as the hylas 49 .
The boats you mentioned are excellent. I’m not sure why they got away from a proper hull design. I believe they had it dialed in with the prior generation.
@@sailinghaldis Allright :D You mean Baltic sea. When we say Baltic we mean Baltic States (countries). I was hoping to see you here :D Hopefully next time or as i understand You guys are sailing to Mallorca, maybe we meet down there :D
Everyone here knows about the conditions, traffic , climate, currents , waves, and you didn't expect any of that, and then it gets your least wanted sailing ground. Knowing all that and how to handle that is just adventure and fun for us. And the your aiming for Mallorca, the most overcrowded , expensive and windless spot in the med??? BOY!!!!!
Boy, are you right about windless med! Either too much or too little wind. We have been shoe stringing along the coast of France for the last couple weeks. Lots of motoring. Fortunately Brittney was life-changing and wonderful. Biscay was fair, so was Portugal and the beginning part of the med…Thanks for the comment!
We did, but the weather in Northern Europe was terrible all of June. There was a permanent low that sat rotating on the North Sea. When that one moved another would replace it. All of these systems presented us with headwinds. It was a matter of finding a window and hitting the go button! Then shelter. Then go. The North Sea was quite bad at times. It eventually gets better, but not until after we sheltered in Hamble for three days.
That hardtop saves you from the weather. typical of HR. To enjoy upwind sailing you need a bigger boat or catamaran, Due to HR quality, you can at least be sure that it will handle bluewater sailing in a good way. Other brands looking like small flats inside don't have that luxury. All new boats look the same with fat ass, flat bottom and twin rudders. Good for downwind, not for upwind. I think the older HR models with longer keel and protected single rudder are more seaworthy but not as fast. My personal favorite is the Kraken brand.
Yes, I looked at Kraken and Amel as well. I felt most comfortable with HR. It’s paying off as their post-purchase support is impeccable. Wish the fore foot of the hull had a little more cut!!
Great video, thanks for posting! As I live on the swedish westcoast we are used to sailing in a lot of wind meters from islands, the really narrow parts you really have to know what you are doing and can often fit just one boat at the time. Surprised that you were drifting towards the lighthouse, thougt this boat should just golike it didnt care. Do you think this boat is a bit underpowered with 75hp?
That’s a great point…the mast is 70 ft and with the hardtop and rigging, it’s a lot of windage. Maybe underpowered for this situation. This far, I’ve been satisfied with the balance between speed and fuel consumption (4L/hr at 6kts). I envy the Swedish waters. Truly breathtaking.
Thats a great consumption! You should sail here some day, when th weaher is better. 😂 You should have gone to Fiskebäckskil instead, just south och Lysekil. Lysekil is a terrible harbour when its windy, I suffered when I saw the boat rocking at berth. A tip is to buy more flexible lines, best thing I’ve done.
Thank you! That is great advice. I was worried about the stiffness of the lines. It was something I watched for hours when we were stuck on the dock. They were pulling so hard. I have two flexible lines, I need to get more.
Not on this one. The Genoa is inboard and very low cut so it will drape over the lines unless sheeted in tight. The boat is main dependent and the Genoa is 110% I believe. I would urge readers to not opt for the self tacking option. The code sail is of course outside the lines to the blocks at the rear of the boat.(see previous video).
@@sailinghaldis if you don’t have kids on the boat you might want to look into removing one or two stanchions at the bow and have the life lines angle down earlier which would give a clear area for the Genoa. It would bother me to look at that and it will wear the sail creating a very early failure point by constantly rubbing. Nice boat, must be exciting to pack up and sail away on a brand new build!!!!
@@sailinghaldis you would lose sail area so I would not do that but it’s an option for sure. Yours is self tacking, so you can’t increase to 135 or 150 to make up for the lost area.
Mine is not self tacking. But the sail area issue could present a problem. I was told that Magnus likes the look of the low-cut sail. Same thing with the large steering wheel. The problems I have with this sail is it draped over the life line and you don’t have visibility on the leeward side.
It really did! The battery died. But I think the video showed enough. The wind lasted another 10-15 minutes after we cleared the narrow gap. There was poor visibility so I used the instruments for navigation. Beyond the gap there was more room except for one shallow area. It’s interesting to see on Navionics or even google earth. Search for Ellös.
Man, this is my dreamboat and I'm so happy you're posting these videos! I can live vicariously through you, without having to spend a million dollars on a boat just yet. Please keep these videos coming and congrats on the completely badass vessel.
Dude! Awesome comment! Thank you so much. 😊
Nice to see Johan helped you with the cracked toe rail. He is a long time friend an probably one of the most careful and skilled craftsman at HR!
He was a wonderful man! I really appreciated his expertise
Oh man I like your honesty here.
Thank you! 😊
Really like these videos. It’s the reality of sailing in difficult conditions ! It’s a really cool ship. And she seems to be handeling the weather conditions thrown at her very well! Hats of to the crew ! Hope you have fair winds going forward!
Thank you so much for the kind comment! I will keep them coming. The next is the North Sea passage, channel crossing and shelter in Hamble UK.
awesome show so far. i subscribed! what a beautiful boat! you are very lucky to have her. gives me somethign to dream about for the next few years until i am able to get my own baby.
@@anthonyfrattalone9937 Thank you! It’s a big commitment, I saved for years and the preparation was extensive, but absolutely work the wait.
wow, what a way to take delivery, that was bananas. thanks so much for sharing
Thank you! It’s been a great experience
Incredible content, looking forward to more! Stunning boat by the way, could not have chosen a better wharf to build you a depreciating asset :)
Thank you! 😊 you’re right, definitely not real estate but money is only worth its weight in joy!
Thank you for the experience. Will follow along. Be safe.
Thank you! 😊
I find this funny that you tought this was a nightmare. I grew up in these waters and sail in scandinavia and the north sea allot. And me and my friends who have been growing up here we love sailing in these conditions. Its like going in the more advanced slopes in the alpes. How ever, I love the HR44C and love that you share! I have a N380 so a heavy Orust boat but i dream of gearing up to your league! :) All the best!
Thank you! I really fell in love with your sailing grounds. The weather is legit up there so hats off to you. I was crapping myself thinking I was going to be the first to ever crash their new Rassy on the rocks. In the end we were obviously fine and laughed about it.
Slam or roll. Pick your poison. Great stuff. Keep these coming.
Slam or roll!! 100% accurate!
Thanks for posting, great seeing this adventure!
Thank you for watching!
Thank you so much for posting this video! I watch a lot of similar videos and have a few open ocean trips under my belt so making these comments from a mixture of admittedly little by comparison experience and my readings: 1. would an inner forestay with a small jib on a roller help? I watched Sailing Beaver and that boat was sailed from Norway to NZ, a Benetau 40, and they said the # 1 improvement they did to the boat to prepare for the trip was the inner forestay. Also I almost bought a 42’ Jeanneau DS (I realize there is no comparison) and in my research I came across a guy from Turkey who added one (inner forestay) to his Jeanneau 42 with the sail on a roller and he said in higher winds the difference was phenomenal … in his words: “my wife’s favourite sail”. Roll up the large foresail, unroll the smaller inner sail and everything changed. 2. I did sail from Shetland to Faroe and back to Scotland on a HR 46 and on that boat the dingy was upside down on the foredeck. They had a lifting harness set up and we could have it in the water and engine on in maybe 10 minutes. In 40 kts of wind the dingy must have been a factor. If you get caught in that kind of wind but with larger waves the dingy may pose a threat to the boat back there. Thats my comment from the cheap seats. Very interested in what others have say.
These are great comments!! The dinghy off the back certainly could have affected the balance a bit. It’s an ultralight…so only about 70 lbs, but add the 100lb moter and the Davits, who knows. We were thinking it needed more weight in front but never thought of relocating the dink. I do have a removable inner forestay and wished on several occasions that I had had it pre-rigged with my storm jib ready on the foredeck. It certainly may have helped. I will try one or both of these ideas! Thank you 😊
@@sailinghaldis … apologies, one more thing. The HR 46 I sailed on also had railings at the mast, port and starboard, U shaped. I know you have roller furling so you won’t be at the mast as much as we were for reefing but if you are at the mast while sailing they sure increased the safety exponentially. We also stood on them as lookouts when coming into ports with lots of small fishing marks in the waters. Enjoy your boat, it looks amazing! Dream boat for sure. I am sure you will get to know each other really well over the years.
The effect of the wind on the dingy, not the weight of the dingy. 40kts of wind.
Rather gnarly sailing conditions I would say. Well, HR DOES make it boats "more modern" each generation. Wider stern straight bow: that doesn't help when sailing close hauled into significant waves.
100% correct. They need to sell boats. I just don’t know why so many manufacturers jumped on the Frers bandwagon with this style. It looks good but God forbid you have to beat upwind. On this trip, I witnessed a French family in an older HR 40 leave harbour and beat up wind for hours from Ibiza toward Barcelona. It certainly wasn’t a pleasant ride but you could see that older V hull bouncing and cutting through the waves like a butter knife. Maybe there was slamming, but certainly not as much as we endured.
@@sailinghaldis That is funny: I do own a HR40 (#44), and years ago we had to sail close hauled for one and a half day towards the Netherlands from Norway I think in wind force 6.. We had to, in order to be avoid wind force 10. It wasn't fun and I asked myself during the trip: do I really like sailing? but it was doable. Even the stern of the older HR40 is quite wide to my taste. I love the shape of the HR39. On the other hand, I am not a gentleman, as they don't sail up to the wind I am told LOL!
@@airgead5391 FYI hull # 48 just popped up for sale
I wouldn't be concerned about the slamming. It comes with the territory of sailing into short, steep waves. This was a delivery passage, hence the need to sail to something of a schedule rather than waiting for more favourable wind and wave conditions. I heard the slamming noises in the video and thought nothing of them. I compared them with what we experienced in our former Garcia (now there's a flat bottom!) while rounding Land's End. We had to tack our way around that difficult feature, upwind, in near-gale to gale conditions. Force 7 to Force 8, in the pitch dark of a moonless night. It seriously felt like the boat was getting airborne over the Atlantic swells that were rolling in. We would wait for the most godawful slamming, crashing noises, with tons of green water coming over the bow and smacking into the windows. Fortunately, this was only on port tack, so we had some reprieve with each change of direction. After rounding we had a beam reach in impressive seas all the way to Cherbourg, which made the preceding upwind stuff worth it. Gentlemen don't sail to wind, they say. Except when they need to, preferably in good boats like yours. Thanks for this video Thomas. I learnt a new word. 'Epilating'.
Thank you so much for that thoughtful response. I have seen videos of the ocean racers and they were slamming terribly. I don’t plan on going to weather like that too often but it’s good to know she could handle it. I really appreciate your experienced perspective.
Love the content love the honesty, i read thru the comments to see if this question has been posted but i didn't find it... So here it goes:
Whith so many options on the used market for less money more space and especially more Confort, why oh why would you ever buy this boat when you clearly know these modern "form stability driven" hulls are like this, I dont mean to offend I just don't understand it...😅 Cheers
I appreciate the compliment and the comment. You ask a great question that I may have to make a video to answer fully. I saved and purchased what was in my mind, the best new boat possible with the best stability curves and B/D ratio. I placed the deposit over two years ago, when I was much less experienced and knowledgeable. As much as I would have loved an older HR 48 MKII, I had to buy new and I trusted the HR reputation. My mission has always been offshore sailing. I was however, ignorant to the effect of the new hull shape on upwind performance in heavy, short period seas. This has been the only surprise but the pros who sailed with me felt it could have been much worse compared to other new hull forms.
After sailing 3200NM this summer, I still believe the HR44, is the best hybrid of the new hull shapes with a reasonable blend between old and new. Its construction quality, comfort, styling, the fittings, the rig, and something I didn’t consider, the warranty service, are impeccable. If you’re wondering, I would absolutely buy the HR44 again.
@@sailinghaldis I get it, if you had to buy new, you didn't have much to choose from, besides the kraken that is, lol
A video would be nice, sharing the knowledge, to help others make a decision should be any sailors priority, not showing bikinis. cheers mate 💪
Please please tell us that you are going around the world in this beautiful dream sailboat! You can lie if you have to, but we would love to see a circumnavigation in something like this!
I hope!
It is just a walk in the park, welcome to Denmark :-)
Haha! Thank you!!
Should be happy the boat proved herself 🎉
She’s stiff and solid and took one hell of a beating.
Fantastic, thanks for sharing.
Thank you!! 😊
Great job skipper! 🎉🎉🎉
Thank you sir!!
Watching your movie I think you are pushing her a little to hard. Not that the boat can't take it but I'm thinking on your crew. Heeling to much doesn't provide more speed, only discomfort to the crew. Try with some less sail area when the windspeed is increasing. Both main and foresail, to get a good balance in the boat. I think you will find it a lot more comfortable.
Have a a nice trip, I'll follow you on RUclips!
I agree. We were pushing her hard. Eventually, we did furl the main a touch and she leveled out nicely. Unfortunately, the wind didn’t allow us to sail the whole way down so we motored, motor sailed or sailed. Probably 1/3 each for the trip. It was an upwind slog! Thank you for following. 😊
It is a surprice it slams so badly in that weather. They need it to be fast and due to that the hull is flat. The older models are anything but flat and have a deep hull that cuts the water. Baltic waves are extra bad because the whole sea is shallow due to that waves are steep and not far from each other.
You’re right. This hull does cut like the older generation boats.
@@sailinghaldis baltic waves are bad. Close and steep. Will be better when there is more water under the keel.
Yeh… weather makes or breaks an experience in the great outdoors.
I have led Seakayaking tours and expeditions in the Baltic, the west coast of Norway and the UK, the very first point in my welcome chat is “Prudence is the better part of valour”
I guess you’re glad you went with the “hardtop” 👌🏻
Agree completely. The first squall really caught us by surprise. I’m just so glad we got tied up before the next round. Otherwise it was just a struggle to make southerly progress.
all the new hull shapes slam hard upwind, but thats what you get with the full beam delta shaped hulls. they are not seakindly upwind at all.
I agree! Thanks for watching.
Nice summer sail in Sweden. Lol.
Haha! Right! I thought it would be so chill after that fabulous weekend…
@@sailinghaldis I'm looking forward to the next part of the journey. Cheers.
That is such a nice sailboat! I was tempted to say that you are so lucky, but the truth is, you no doubt earned it and luck had nothing to do with it. One point... when it slammed and mad that bang noise, I thought that Hallberg's didn't do that? Is there a new hull shape that is doing that vs the older sailboats or did they all - new design and old design - slam when in heavy waves? To a non sailor it does sound brutal but I seem to hear it on all the popular sailboats ie Delos, the Vancouver 42 etc. I don't recall hearing that on Cloudy Bay sailing (HR 54) but they rarely sailed in storms. Would love to see a side by side comparison of all sailboats in storms.
I can tell you for sure that all sailboats can slam. I was on an island packet 40 in heavy seas-slammed. A Kauffman 47-slammed. But the flatter hull of the new HR made the slamming much more frequent, especially when motoring into an upwind swell,. Thank you for the comment!!
Very cool!!
Thank you old friend!! 😊
@@sailinghaldis Keep up the good work Tom!
All modern boats slam > floor space down below , Beneteau etc really bad , Unless you go for a deep V older yacht BUT then you arnt doing 8 to 10 knots to windward . Nice boat
Thank you! That seems to be the consensus.
I’m very surprised at the way the HR 44 handles the conditions - the deck is very wet, it’s pounding into the waves, and slamming hard. It looks like it’s not balanced very well, maybe you should review how she’s loaded?
We thought about that but all we had forward was chain and a guy who couldn’t sleep. I filled the water tanks with no significant improvements
@@sailinghaldis that’s a concern - might be a design issue 😱
Man..get this beauty and move to Greece..
On my way! Next year toward Croatia then Greece and Turkey.
Interesting, similar microburst and weather I had in Mälaren. My 26ft sailboat handled it okay but I was quite scared during the whole event.
Yes. It was frightening. It came on so fast
The “very scary passage” going out from Ellös towards Lysekil that is talked about in the video is a place I have sailed (not motored) past so many times in my 24ft sailboat. With winds form SSE as was evident in the wind there is NO chance of being blown onto the rocks if you know how to handle a boat. With a westerly strong wind and rough waves it would be much harder but no problem for such a big boat.
It certainly was scary for us! In the end, the boat handled it quite well
Yeah , you really can't stop the slamming going up wind with a hull shape that is flat forward of the keel . Makes them fast in light air but not comfortable in any seas forward of the beam . Also the plumb bow makes for a wet ride. How was the helm ? Neutral? or did you have any weather helm at 20 degrees of heal .
Yes, we tried all sorts of tricks. Motoring with mainsail off the wind helped a little bit. It really all depended on the period of the waves. Sometimes the boat will just oscillate and on the third or fourth rise it would come slamming down and reset only to do it again. There was slight Weather helm but not a terrible amount. I felt like we had the boat healed a little bit too much… as usual, furling the main ship did not affect our speed too much.
I agree. I do not get the obsession to speed in these type of boats. I would take the 0,2 - 0,4 knots away from the speed to have a deeper hull in front of the keel. The comfort and feeling improves a lot when the boat goes like a train. Well it is more expensive to make...
A friend of mine bought a boat very similar to yours. Jenneau 44 , twin rudders , fin keel . He sailed to Antigua from Canada . Said the boat had to micro managed to sail her flat , it was a tough trip , he was very tired . He sold it there and bought a Hylas 49 . Sparkman Steven’s design . He’s been sailing that offshore for the last 5 years . Says it’s a much better blue water boat . I have a Bristol 45.5 and it is great in big seas . Never slams . But these boats have slack bilges . I think they moved away from them due to cost of laying up this shape of hull . My keel is also integral to the hull . Same as the hylas 49 .
The boats you mentioned are excellent. I’m not sure why they got away from a proper hull design. I believe they had it dialed in with the prior generation.
My thoughts exactly.
Sailing to windward, especially in rowdy conditions is for racing.. Less so for cruising..
Very true!
Where was the nightmare mate? Tad Swedish weather is nothing that disturb a HR yacht...🙂
Thank you! 😊
Nice boat, cool channel but what do you mean about Baltic?
Thank you. 😊 I’m not sure what you’re asking though. We sailed briefly in the Baltic before entering the Kiel canal .
@@sailinghaldis Allright :D You mean Baltic sea. When we say Baltic we mean Baltic States (countries). I was hoping to see you here :D Hopefully next time or as i understand You guys are sailing to Mallorca, maybe we meet down there :D
Maybe next summer!
Looked like it took the 42knot beat to windward in its stride
She’s still sailing ⛵️
Does this boat have a bolt on keel and a bolt on bulb?
It’s has deep bilge slanted aft with a solid lead formed keel bolted on with 9 huge bolts.
Everyone here knows about the conditions, traffic , climate, currents , waves, and you didn't expect any of that, and then it gets your least wanted sailing ground. Knowing all that and how to handle that is just adventure and fun for us. And the your aiming for Mallorca, the most overcrowded , expensive and windless spot in the med??? BOY!!!!!
Boy, are you right about windless med! Either too much or too little wind. We have been shoe stringing along the coast of France for the last couple weeks. Lots of motoring. Fortunately Brittney was life-changing and wonderful. Biscay was fair, so was Portugal and the beginning part of the med…Thanks for the comment!
Did you consider waiting fo some better weather?
We did, but the weather in Northern Europe was terrible all of June. There was a permanent low that sat rotating on the North Sea. When that one moved another would replace it. All of these systems presented us with headwinds. It was a matter of finding a window and hitting the go button! Then shelter. Then go. The North Sea was quite bad at times. It eventually gets better, but not until after we sheltered in Hamble for three days.
Great video! Looking forward to the next one. What camera are you filming with. /Daniel (Linjett sailer from sweden)
Thank you!! Just a go pro and iPhone!
That hardtop saves you from the weather. typical of HR. To enjoy upwind sailing you need a bigger boat or catamaran, Due to HR quality, you can at least be sure that it will handle bluewater sailing in a good way. Other brands looking like small flats inside don't have that luxury. All new boats look the same with fat ass, flat bottom and twin rudders. Good for downwind, not for upwind. I think the older HR models with longer keel and protected single rudder are more seaworthy but not as fast. My personal favorite is the Kraken brand.
Yes, I looked at Kraken and Amel as well. I felt most comfortable with HR. It’s paying off as their post-purchase support is impeccable. Wish the fore foot of the hull had a little more cut!!
Great video, thanks for posting! As I live on the swedish westcoast we are used to sailing in a lot of wind meters from islands, the really narrow parts you really have to know what you are doing and can often fit just one boat at the time. Surprised that you were drifting towards the lighthouse, thougt this boat should just golike it didnt care. Do you think this boat is a bit underpowered with 75hp?
That’s a great point…the mast is 70 ft and with the hardtop and rigging, it’s a lot of windage. Maybe underpowered for this situation. This far, I’ve been satisfied with the balance between speed and fuel consumption (4L/hr at 6kts). I envy the Swedish waters. Truly breathtaking.
Thats a great consumption! You should sail here some day, when th weaher is better. 😂 You should have gone to Fiskebäckskil instead, just south och Lysekil. Lysekil is a terrible harbour when its windy, I suffered when I saw the boat rocking at berth. A tip is to buy more flexible lines, best thing I’ve done.
Thank you! That is great advice. I was worried about the stiffness of the lines. It was something I watched for hours when we were stuck on the dock. They were pulling so hard. I have two flexible lines, I need to get more.
@@sailinghaldisI felt the same thing😂, it was painfull to watch. I have Polyropes storm x. Works great and are really elastic.
That slamming, it's just too flat in front. Swedish boats used to be mostly full keels. I'm rather getting an old one like that.
Yes, sailing into weather will be more tolerable with a full keel.
why is the genoa on the inside of the lifelines? it should clear the life lines in all conditions.
Not on this one. The Genoa is inboard and very low cut so it will drape over the lines unless sheeted in tight. The boat is main dependent and the Genoa is 110% I believe. I would urge readers to not opt for the self tacking option. The code sail is of course outside the lines to the blocks at the rear of the boat.(see previous video).
@@sailinghaldis if you don’t have kids on the boat you might want to look into removing one or two stanchions at the bow and have the life lines angle down earlier which would give a clear area for the Genoa. It would bother me to look at that and it will wear the sail creating a very early failure point by constantly rubbing. Nice boat, must be exciting to pack up and sail away on a brand new build!!!!
Not a bad idea. What do you think about just getting a higher cut Genoa?
@@sailinghaldis you would lose sail area so I would not do that but it’s an option for sure. Yours is self tacking, so you can’t increase to 135 or 150 to make up for the lost area.
Mine is not self tacking. But the sail area issue could present a problem. I was told that Magnus likes the look of the low-cut sail. Same thing with the large steering wheel. The problems I have with this sail is it draped over the life line and you don’t have visibility on the leeward side.
Have you actually baptized your ship yet?!
Not yet!
Oh my, what a beautiful boat. The slamming is a bit surprising for HRs in my view?
Me as well. It was quite bad at times
My pipe dream. HR 40c
That’s a beautiful boat.
You don't sail, vdo you?
I do
Bad planning by a bad Captain
I suppose. The price of sailing to a schedule.
Sure. The camera stoped woriking LOLOOLOLOL typical...LOLOL Click bait. So sad.
It really did! The battery died. But I think the video showed enough. The wind lasted another 10-15 minutes after we cleared the narrow gap. There was poor visibility so I used the instruments for navigation. Beyond the gap there was more room except for one shallow area. It’s interesting to see on Navionics or even google earth. Search for Ellös.