It's amazing to read the comments on furling booms when I'm sure most have no experience with them. You don't need a hydraulic vang at all, most are manual spring loaded vangs, the booms on larger vessels are both carbon shell and carbon mandrel making them quite light and they are amazing and fast to reef. There's nothing slow about hoisting or lowering the sail of a furling boom it's determined by the speed of the halyard winch. They are certainly superior to in mast furling options except in pricing and a cleaner set up to slab reefing.
Yeah, I can agree with this! It’s just change.. people don’t like it! Mind you, slab is still the best for performance and safety but I think the boom furler is probably the best for the majority.
@JimKJeffries I’m sure Magnus Rassy would argue with a lot of people, the main ones being Najad whom went out of business by sticking to their laurels. Meanwhile Rassy still exists, there’s a reason for that. Their boats are great but it’s worth noting that they found ways to drop their costs etc and also take on common belief where it aids sales. Not saying I don’t like the guy, I’ve not met him and I like his boats, just saying it’s worth realising he’s exceptional at business, not just boat building.
Thanks for doing this, some nice features there. As far as your own boat is concerned and the question of inboom furling - introducing the price premium into the decision matrix is likely to rule it out (well unless you get a generous sponsor).😉
@normanboyes4983 hey Norman, good to hear from you. Yeah… a sponsee would be just grand! However I really do want to go to the arctic. For my self and to see how electric works out up there.. so I think we’re going to go pretty basic and be a straight forward boom. Mind you, we did like the Swan and we will likely be going down some light weight interiors build when we get started. Mind you….. we need to get some miles in too!!
An advantage of boom furling is, it lowers the center of gravity when the sales are not in use. A big plus in rough weather. Also , you can slowly extend your sails so you can inspect them..
Great video and we'll explained. Picked up some ideas, which is why your videos are so beneficial, always something new to learn. Obviously a very high quality yacht, congrats to Swan! Cheers guys 🍻🍻
Hello, thanks for the visit... I was the skipper of the first Swan 46 mkII for 3 years in 1990, the ancestor of this 48. In 1988 I skippered a swan65, sister ship of the famous Mexican "Sayula", I also skippered other Swan (53, 57,61) until the 2000s. Is true Swans are fantastics under sail ! But, For liveabord full time, I prefer...multihulls !!😁 Well when I see this 48, I would not exchange any of them with this 48, which has lost what largely made the reputation of the Nautor Swan. Boats designed for the high seas in all weathers! One thing to know from Swan, at the origins these boats where design for crews and gentlemens racers, so the deck plan is not a spéciality of Nautor for single handed!! This 48, which must work well both close-hauled and downwind, I have no doubt about it, has nothing more seaworthy in terms of layout or deck plan! Today's boats have become day boats and for the most luxurious and (horribly) expensive, status boats and made for cocktails in the marina! sit close to the chart table, lie down in a central bed, take one of those right angles of the table in the hip. Nice floor to play ice hockey!! and the electronics screens intalled in flat position on the cockpit without protection,, nice for the rain and waves! Nautor. Like many manufacturers, throws a lot of dust in your eyes and lives on its legend that the old Swans wrote. Paying for a Swan 2 to 3 times the price of an equivalent boat is no longer justified... Sorry for my English I'm French... :)) Ps: Dyneema is strong and efficient, easy to change at sea and cheaper than Winchard stainless stuff .. winchardwinchardwinchard
Criekey! Your not impressed then! It’s a hard game building boys that’s for sure! Everyone’s got a lot of personal beliefs and expectations that’s for sure and then there’s price point, being able to compete with the other manufacturers and of course making sales! I’m just glad I don’t own a yard!
Sure, I think it’s a valid comment indeed. Maybe a little harsh in places. It’s just come from 3k miles of sailing to the Arctic and back so it can’t be all bad! That being said, a lot of the differences are hidden andI quite like its modesty but then it’s just not so obvious. There are the obvious, the saloon is huge and there is minimal hand holds yet the boats got two aft cabins, a heads near the companion way and a galley in the aft too. There’s really no reason to be going up front much. It’s a new look at it all which of course can be confused with a modern charter boat but the fact is. It’s not. Anyhow, it’s not like I’m going to go out and buy one, but I have taken some tricks for our boat build. It’s been a great viewing for myself!
I’ll start with saying, I’m a relatively new Yachtmaster, and a USCG unlimited mate with around 70,000 miles. Sail is not my forte, but boat builders are clearly catering to how sailors spend the vast majority of their time on their boat…and I don’t think that’s necessarily wrong. With reliable access to forecasts/internet, getting caught out in unexpected weather is less of an issue than in the past (but obviously still happens). The point is that even full time world cruisers should be able to avoid most serious weather with proper voyage planning. Therefore, the old school Swan builds are somewhat less relevant today. Since our host is also a camper van builder, it’s like someone decking out their van with a serious 4x4 off-road kit, but using it less than 2% of the time. Is that really a good use of money? This is my two cents, and everyone has their preferences, but boat designs, like anything, change with the times…because the times change.
You can tell that Swan is now an Italian company, all about design, looks to impress. This boat is not intended for blue water cruising but to show off wealth in marinas. The older Swans were made for cruising, guess that's out of fashion nowadays.
I sailed a swan 44 from 1973 recently. Chartered her for a week. it’s basically 4 feet shorter overall but the difference modern hull shape gives in interior volume is just insane The interior of the 44 would be equivalent to a quarter of what you see in this boat. Boggles the mind.
I got the impression from the title that you were going to rip Swan a new one. Quite the opposite. I think you were very good to Swan for probably good reason. They build a good boat. I can't understand why so many reviewers are so hard on these production boats. I haven't seen many truly new ones. But from what I can see. These boats are modern day wonders. Thanks for the nice video.
Hi Keith, thanks for that. I think credits due where it’s due, sadly we need a title of interest otherwise people just don’t watch it and it not worth our time to make!!! Glad you enjoyed it and yeah, they are wonderfully made 👍
I think it’s still a valid question: so all these features make it TOO easy for sailors to take on a sailboat with too much power/too reliant on the aids? Nothing will prevent that, of course, but as a non-sailor (ex-Navy used to things failing), I see plenty of areas where loss of power could lead to dangerous situations.
@gregoryf9299 hey Gregory, thanks for your thoughts, it’s seems to be the case with. OST modern boasts ay! What areas concern you in particular? I I again the boom furler is one?
Very very good review. Bravo. And the boat is, OMG what a nice boat. Wowww... I like Awan but this one is special really. Thanks a lot for this great review.
Nice vid! Can’t beat synthetic rigging and the underdeck furling gear is clever. Interesting reading some folks’ comments that this isn’t a “serious cruiser”… I mean, it’s a boat with loads of space and performance. By their logic not a single lightweight cat or tri is a “serious cruiser” either😂
@SAILBOATJACARANDA errrrr….. slow 🤦♂️ the hunt for a place to melt the keel has become such an issue everything else has had to take a back seat. So I’ve not even looked for a spot on the hard for her UK debut! Still, we’re getting there and thugs are progressing! Once we get the van done we now have a few options, mind you… they ain’t easy!
The galley is surprisingly good, the sink position is what makes it not too small and the position is great for draining on either tack. Funnily enough, they lost one of the trademark features that traditionally came with this location in a Swan: the drying cabinet. All Finnish homes have a cabinet on top of the sink that have a drying rack bottom and in older swans, this was one of the features that always got so many ooh's and aah's, it just makes sense reactions from non-finns who came on board swans.. So should I win the lottery, I'd have that on top of the sink, I'm sure it would require no explanation when demanded as an option :)
Hey thanks fella! I knew they were massive but had to look them up…. 128’ for cruising and 125’ for racing. If you buy one be sure to invite us along for a ride! 👍😃
I went to southampton boat show last saturday, it was good fun running round all these multi million pound boats and seeing some of the historic ones. Shame I won't be able to afford any anytime soon.
Great walk through probably helped by the skills of the camera person lol. They are fab boats from way back and they as a builder are up front on innovation and mixing the two animals. As usual for me I always like a dedicated nav station, but I do come from the past lol. I saw Gentoo in Newport after the Trans CIC earlier this year. I think James just missed out on qualifying for this years Vendee but he's young and has a lot of potential.
Hi Ian! Glad you enjoyed it, yeah Jenni did super with the camera, we’re finding working together is becoming both easier and better now! For sure the Swans are fab, we’ve done a few races on a 1970’s Swan 44 recently. She’s super stable!! As for Gentoo, a hell of a beast and aye, James is sound and mega keen, we’ve got a wee interview and tour of that coming soon too!👍
Hello again. The interior passed the Jordy boy quality fiinish test, windows are Wow. Nice chatch on the washer Jen, Great giggle in the main cabin. Which cabin is for the livein tech for all the breakable and failalbes on the deck?
Hey up lad! Good to hear from you, yeah she’s a beauty! As for the breakables…. I class myself as the most likely thing to break here, the amount of times I bump my toes and bang my head on boats is unreal. I’m taking the port quarter 😝
It`s an fantastic boat one of the few downsides is the small dieseltank 360 liters, and the throttle control could be moved up to the pedestal. If i had the money i would buy one today! Thanks for the nice look around!
I’m pretty sure you can opt for more diesel tankage if you want. I think the idea was that there are 3 tanks and you can choose how you want to divide those between water and diesel.
Three cabin 6+ berth 48'...I feel like it can compete with some of the great 50' company's like kraken, hallberg-rassy, amel. I'm not sure I've seen oysters that really fit what I'm liking in the top five. But this boat definitely grinds some good stuff.
I mean, the advantage to dyneema sheets is pretty straightforward. Soft shackles are stronger and lighter and reduce chafe. But they don't last as long as the hard shackles. You can see the wear, so it shouldn't be a big deal. But it is a tradeoff.
So envious you get to look at gorgeous boats (aka 1.2M£!) like this and scheme your own build with a more or less blank canvas. I suspect you will do much more with much less. Don't rush your decisions, what you think is a great idea now may not be so in a year's time - that's the great thing about time.
Hey! Thanks mate, yeah…. We’re pretty lucky that’s for sure and we’re living it! As for our own boat, she’s going to be something a little different to most things we’ve seen, possibly all things. It’s cool to get ideas everywhere but we need to use our own tin box for a bit before we think too much. Right now it’s planning the winter and getting her back into the UK - it should be an adventure for sure!! Thanks for the advice, defo taken on board 👍😀
Yeah SIBS is pretty good for boats kind you they need to uk their game with sustainable boats and products on show! There want much on show for our boatbuild!
@SailHub Yep for cruising yachts. To get the full convenience out of it, an electric winch is a big plus as they do take a lot of winding. My only fear with it is it braking in an isolated area, unlikely but anything is possible. Slab reefing can not be beat for reliability.
That’s true, you can’t beat the slab! I do wonder how well the boom furls in heavy weather if the sail has battens - I’d they don’t run in straight I can imagine a rather large problem however.. do we need full length battens on cruisers?
@SailHub it's very important to have the correct boom angle. You need a rod kicker that can be pre set before reefing or fixed at the correct angle...the angle needs to be about 87 degrees to the mast on the system i know. Having a fully battened main is no issue. If you don't have the boom angle correct you can damage the sail at the luff or have too much leach tension putting excess strain on the system. If all is set up correctly it works well. I don't even come up into the wind to reef, just take load off a bit, keep sailing on course, reef and load up again. (with an electric winch ;)
Love the interior and good quality of the boat. I don’t understand how the main sheet works going through the pipes in the cockpit. Not a fan of main sheeting in the cockpit on a cruising boat. It can be deadly with accidental jibes. An arch can fix that easily. Nice review
Thanks Patrick! Yeah, a bit weird the old mainsheet tubes, but I think it’s a positive solution to having an end sheeted boom that allows you to have a table up. I like end sheeted booms due to the much lower sheet loads but I can see why a lot of cruisers will shy away from them, if your not paying attention you could get a surprise, mind you at Leah with the tube idea it’s not taking you out from under your feet!
I have an Ultra which came with the boat. It's good but not as good as the Spade on my last boat. I also have doubts about rod rigging for cruising. I viewed a 6 year old X-Yacht, never raced, which a bit of research showed had been dismasted in the English Channel in moderate (F5) conditions because the rigging failed catastrophically. Never heard of wire failing at that age. Very good review, though. Thanks.
Cheers for that, some great info there. People need to see both sides and I appreciate you reporting your findings. My experiences to day have found the Ultra superior to the spade but I guess it depends on the sea bed, each will be better in circumstances, that I’m pretty sure of. As for rod rigging, my findings to day are that it is generally the stemball that fails. The problem is you can’t see it unless you take that part of the rig off. The other problem is that the system doesn’t like articulation a huge amount. So it’s depending on the rigger who installed it. I would generally suggest that if the owner of. Boat doesn’t know enough to recognise a problem with it they probably should stay with wire. Unless of course they have a carbon mast and then the rod rig should be the minimum choice. This is due to the reduction in stretch over wire which benefits the carbon. Anyhow, hard to point fingers without seeing the breakage and set up really. Another thing to note though, most rod manufacturers recommend a dismantle and check every 7 years .
If you're wanting to take a boat to the artic circle I feel like vertical wind turbine (mast mounted) and hydroelectric is a great thing to look into maybe flexible solar infused on the deck could also help
Great looking boat and good review but no discussion on hull shape (plumb bow, huge wide stern ... rudder and keel?), and the pros and cons of this type of design for cruising
Sweet, we did a good job! My intentions were an overview of modernising a boat with modern materials and that is what I did. For sure we will go into that stuff, we really just didn’t have time at this show.
Ah cool, that’s nice to hear! We’re on with boat building techniques in our van at the moment. A roadboat 😆 but it’s our home for completion of the boat build we’re starting! Can’t wait 👍
I like twin helm however the Sirius 35 and 40 DS have a great solution using a single helm. I also like the twin keels on the Sirius which would also do well in the artic. Just saying like, something to think about
Sure man, I appreciate the feedback! Not so sure on the twin keels, sure they have a place and are becoming more efficient however I like the righting moment from a deep fin and the increased efficiency is really important to us! Mind you, shallow draft is too, which is why she is a lifter. As for the helms. I really can’t decide, I do like the Jefa swing pedistal but I am questioning a tiller. To be honest we may just experiment and try both!
No main traveler and what happens to that stainless pedestal when you ease the mainsheet? Not sure why you'd have wire backstays rather than some kind of high strength rope like Dyneema that'd save 10s of pounds aloft. The two sided nav table is nice because people will want to work onboard so it give a lot of useful space for that. I wonder if the table drops so that area can be an additional settee/berth. He didn't point out that there's a vent fan over the stove (which I assume vents outside) which I've never seen on a boat but that's great for getting cooking smells and heat out of the boat. I'd prefer an electric stove and there's no provision on the outside for placing solar panels which is a miss on a proper cruising boat.
Hey up, thanks for the notes, sole great point s for people to take on board there 👍 I like the nave table too, I’m pretty sure it’s fixed, mind you the Elans have a cool system that spins around to become a berth too. Traveler is obviously an option in these, I think I would opt for that personally and yeah, the oven vent. Cool ay 👍 Hope to see you in the next one, Chris 👍
Ahhhh, she’s a beauty! It’s Gentoo,s imoca 60! Formally “Hugo Boss” What’s better is that we have a tour and interview with the skipper coming up! Such a cool boat!
I'm very pro dynima. But I've sailed with cruisers who aren't. Firstly, on old boats they often play badly with the existing winches, causing slipping lines etc, which means that older boats tend to use over speced line. This can lead to damagingvdeck harsware, as the weak link is no longer cgeap poly line, but expensive toe rails/ blocks.
Hey Ben, yeah… I can se me that as I’ve seen it many times before however that’s just badly specified. We can get softer casings and the likes but you’ve got to go with your boat really. I mean, old wooden gaffers and the likes don’t want dyneema ropes, neither do wooden hulls most of the time, we need to let those things flex and move as the should. So yeah, dyneema is great. But like many things, we can’t blame the product for its misuse!
I can't help but wonder what she will look like in 40 or 50 years. How will the light weight cored doors etc hold up compared to the current 50 year old Swans? Same with the teak decks (love the connection to planting) how thick are they? I'm concerned about the safety of these boats that could see a couple in real trouble on an Atlantic if any one of several things broke (electric winches, boom furling being very obvious ones).
Hey up, good to hear from you! It seems to me the experience the Swan guys have has really paid off in this boat, on the face of it I can see why there is a marmite approach for many. For me, being totally honest inthi n they have made some great choices and given the build quality is better than ever I was actually really impressed. Nomex is just brilliant. It’s stronger than any ply based door was and there’s less effort working against it too due to the light weight. The teak, yeah.. cool that they have a forest, they appear considerably thicker than most yards use. I didn’t question it ti be honest, it just looked ‘right’ however it will of course wear out at some point, but there are no through grp fixings to worry about so no leaks at least. As for the electric winches, the harken ones on show here are the same as the mechanical option, when you pop a winch handle in the top it mechanically disengages the motor so there’s no energy loss by going manual. The boom furler, you can just drop it like a traditional main if you want too so that takes considerable stress away. So it leaves me thinking there’s not much to complain about!
@@SailHub I get that the winches can be used manually, but can a couple who rely on the electrics cope if the winch fails s (as Sailing Cadoha managed with their Seldon in a crash gybe). Probably more of a problem on yachts the next size up or two. I get that the sales pitch for the boom furler but I'm not convinced they are a safe seaworthy option for world cruising. Chances of being stuck somewhere waiting for parts among the reasons.
@@SailHub can you do a more detailed follow up about your comments on the varnish on rebates cracking (trim on the forehatch vs the heads door frame). We got a bit confused.
For sure mate I get your point, mind you I’m not into sales pitch’s man. I’m just speaking how I feel. The boom furler, I think they are great but I wouldn’t have battens in it. If we were going around the world I would get some soft eyes in the sails too and prep the mast before you leave. That way it’s ready to run it as a slab reefing system without any parts, if it goes pear shaped. I actually spent quite a bit of time a couple of years back looking into furlerboom as an option for our boat and met them in person too. I had an in mast which was riddled with trouble until I re-rigged it and changed the rake and the sails. After that it opens my mind a bit, but not enough to do it again. It was then that I started looking into furling booms and the engineering behind them with more detail. The only reason I moved away from it is the cost and the potential of freezing, which is probably very unlikely. They are just too dammed expensive. Anyhow, you may not like them and that’s cool too. Anyhow, we’re going slab reefed and that’s a hassle enough with a 56m2 main. It’s not massive but for a shorthand crew do I like simple.
Sure, although the electrics are most likely a custom offering so not really why effects the purchase as for the motor. Yeah, it would have been good to get a look but we were short in time. Next time!
Yeah it would! I hope that our channel grows a bit and we get the recognition to gain a bit more time on board at the shows to manage this and also get out on the water! 👍
For cruising, I don't think Dyneema is a good choice for standing rigging, maybe more so for cold climates, as the dyneema actually expands when it gets cold. And the coefficient of thermal expansion is large enough that you would lose all tension in the rig.
It doesn’t have one! We didn’t have time and we don’t really have permission to start taking things apart.. Hopefully we will get know for it and then we may get more time and opportunity 🤞
Really? Probably worth watching the video again. The devil is in the details, this is so far from a production boat the merely looks the same on the face.
Yeah, it’s does sound pretty good, but compared to a standard boom, the increase in weight is pretty hefty. Either way, I’m planning on making a carbon boom as it’s cheaper than buying an alloy one! That being said, if the price was right I would save the fabrication hassle!
@mattdouglas5570 oh no mate. That’s not happening here! I’m right in your camp fella! No boatyard hanging around for us, I’ve spent far to many days working in them already! The plan is to get going as soon as we can, a build focused on efficiency and experimentation. So we need to get going and keep modifying until we have a plan and then spend some time on her, bit by bit and get it right! Can’t wait! 👍
The only thing that I don't understand is that Swan has done away with a forward facing chart table. A real work space, where you will spend a good deal of time while cruising. And then they've put the table in the salon instead of at the bottom of the steps for ease of use.
To be honest I think it will have come from market research, Han if recently spent a few years cruising I think I could count the amount of chart table users in both hands. I’m one of the few and when it comes to building our own boat it will be interesting to see what we choose. The reason I say that is because for the first few sails she will be empty of furniture so I will need to learn alternative methods
Nice, apart from the now-obligatory giant rectangular picture windows in the hull. I don't want to know about the glue specs, the testing, the certification, the reinforcement of the surrounding edge, the oblating of corners. Just give me a complete hull please.
Let’s not forget this leaking issue had a lot to do with the hull flex found on many boats. I think they will be just fine in this boat personally. I’m not fond of them myself as I like the idea of high latitude sailing and it just doesn’t make sense, but then neither does this boat for that use for that matter. I also wouldn’t touch them on production boats or many other boats but in believe the swan should be grand.
@@et1161 It's not so much leaking that concerns me as hull integrity. I don't live in the Med or Caribbean but in NZ. A couple of years ago the Commodore of a local yacht club was sailing back from Tonga on a Bav 46. Some serious seas were enough to sink her. Boat started flexing. Then, if memory serves, windows popped out. (Now we have another layer of stupid bandaid regulations as a result). I don't even know if it was hull windows that popped or cabin ones but down here I want all the structural integrity I can get. I don't want disparate materials meeting in stressed areas. More than that, even if it were mathematically proven to be safe, I just wouldn't _feel_ secure in it. It's that glass-floored bridge effect. Right now I'm sitting in an old 38ft steel boat with tiny cabin windows and absolutely no shortage of light.
I think dyneema is fantastic. The more bits of steel you can take off the boat, the lower the cost of maintenance will be, and the higher the chance is that the maintenance will actually be done when it should be. Before everything was held together with steel it was held together with rope. I think it's good that we're going back, now that we've got better rope.
For sure, no probs with a backstay or runners. Not sure how I feel about going to the arctic with Pbo caps though. They are probably fine… but my initial thoughts are the thermal expansion
I just wonder about the underbody shape. Does it have a short, deep, bulbed keel ? Does it have twin, spade rudders? If it has these features, I would expect it to be extremely vulnerable to killer-whale assaults and keel strikes.
For sure! That makes sense, if you after one I’m sure you would check it out ay. It’s all compromises! So hard to build the perfect boat. That’s what the guys at Kraken are trying to do. For sure a belter of a boat but to much compromise on performance and sailing ability for me. Tricky game boatbuilding ay!
🤭😂 I can see why you would think that!! Mind you the owner of this has just come back from 3k mikes sailing up to the Arctic and back. Maybe it’s not quite as it seems on the face of it?
For me the acid test is could I safely make an upwind passage in her-get across the salon, use the heads, cook, sleep securely, helm comfortably etc. There were overhead grab rails to get across the salon, the sink is midline, but otherwise not sure.
The heads is right next to the companion way what more do you want? The quarter berths are the norm on passage for comfort, your gonna struggle to fall out of them. I’m not really sure there is a problem here?
One head should have a fore-aft toilet, hope there are lee boards and lee cloths for berths, grabbing the deck chairs looks frightening in a seaway. Would you trust the fridge to keep closed on port tack without a backup latch? The dodger does not have outboard grab bars to go forward. It does not appear that there is any way to pull the sprit tack point aft to connect a code sail.
@madisonian50 the deck chairs are to be stowed away 😩… Anyhow, your probably forgetting these are a semi custom build anyway. You can specify what you want just as the owner of this one specified what they wanted. Lee cloths are most likely an option, although easily added after, some times extra grab rails are an extra, as some people want a clean look and they can handle the standard fiddle grabs on the table and bulkheads ext. As for the heads. Really? Your that fussy? I mean, fair enough you can probably get single shower option and you achieved your goal. However you loose the washing machine and your in search of expansive laundromats as you cruise. It’s always a compromise and I’d say this is pretty sweet and easy to adapt for some pretty hardy sailing if that’s your choice! That being said, it’s super hard to build a boat to tick all the boxes, just try to spec your dream boat and it becomes compromise after compromise.
On the plus side there is I think a deck fitting for a removable inner forestay. Would probably be nice to have a staysail rather than depend on a “triple reefed” furled genoa.
@@madisonian50 oh mate, your not wrong there. A staysail would be epic, looking at the rig and the hull it’s most likely going to be a Solent stay, pretty good for most cruising situations.
Dingy lockers, to me, are such a colossal waste of space. All of that could be interior volume which could also be used for storage. When did davits cease to be a thing?! Faster, cheaper and easier to use in anything but flat water.
Maybe, I would think that’s a personal choice though. It’s still storage and you can still put davits on. The divers generally live a dinghy locker. Also great for cyclists 👍
@@SailHub If you look on youtube most of the emergency situations are caused by rollerfurlers. They jam at the worst possible time and are then impossible to drop.
@TheCoolhead27 to be fair you are correct. Mind you RUclips probably isn’t a good place to use for reliability research. I would suggest the vast majority of problems are user error, it’s remarkable the things that have come to us over the years. Im my experience when used properly and maintained there isn’t usually a problem with them.
That's true, they can be operated safely if you are careful and you get them rolled up early before the wind really comes on. I just think it's so risky, especially putting them on charter boats. People have a tendency of getting in over their heads to begin with.
@TheCoolhead27 oh yeah! You right about folk getting in over their heads… Mind you, how likely do you think the average could drop a 140% Genoa on a 50’ boat safely? I highly doubt most would know where to start. There would likely be sheets and sail flying everywhere and total carnage!
@wrobelda 👍 mind you… There is the question that as we go further north the earth spins at lower speed. Could this reduction in circular motion create a phenomenon where the rotational velocity of a furling mandrel is also effected? I’m sure someone somewhere would think so? 🤔🤦♂️
Personally I like that, they always seem to get knocked by people or caught in ropes. Where it is is easily accessible and protected by the helmsman. What do you think?
@@SailHub Personally I find I have more control and less distraction with pedestal or fly bridge mount. It looked to me like the boat was set up for sailing performance and the engine almost an after thought. Swan probably offer all sorts of configurations and to each their own.
@matthewsellers82 hey Mathew, she was sure set up for some performance cruising!! I imagine you could have the throttle in a different place as you suggested. I guess it’s horses for courses and I can completely understand why you may want it if easy access, it makes a lot of sense.
Each to their own but she is an open cockpit boat and the bow is a long long way from the helm stations. With the Bimini and the dodger up I’m sure it will be well protected.
you know it's a serious boat builder when they have fixed anchor points for lee-cloth in the cabins! warms my heart! the common mainstream cruisers today do not come with this equipped! I had a Jeanneau 49 DS from 2007. a great boat. sailed fantastic and not much sound down below when pushing her in bad weather in the north sea but i allways felt it was a compromise between being a open water sailor and a great choice for day cruising the med. And with the owners suite up front with a center bed with space to almost walk beside you could forget having a good night of sleep while underway but it looked awesome in harbour. so they've thought of a lot. And Swan being a performance oriented producer of sailboats for many years it seems like they propose to the cruisers with this boat and setup. It would be awesome to see how it sails. most likely as great as her siblings! I liked your tour of the boat. Not biased and bought by the yard it seemed! When it comes to the Dynema to the Harken block on the mast my first thought was wear and tear. When you have a mast with that great finish you do not want a steel shackle rubbing against the coating when pushing the boat. That would lead to unnecessary cost while this setup will not scratch the surface but maybe rub it a bit. I considered an early 2000 swan, 48 mk2 for a while back. Did not go for it tho as i felt the cockpit was outdated for sailing with kids and family. It is quite strange. Once i wanted the Swan/Baltic setup with a small cockpit for socialising and a sailors cockpit aft with all winches and steering wheel but now with kids, this is what you want. You want a performance cruiser you know can handle a regatta to Shetland, crossing the atlantic and cruise the med/pacific with kids. And the cockpit here can handle everything. It is a compromise maybe but it sells in to more customers than the more performance oriented sailors want! Keep the vids coming. I'll sure check out who you/you guys are and what you do! Cheers from Norway.
Cheers for that! Some great point made there and I’m pleased that first of all you enjoyed it and secondly that we don’t come across biased as we’re not, it just my beliefs and that’s it. The North Sea is surely a fun place to sail and you need a boat that is as prepared as it’s crew! But like you said, if your in the business of selling boats you need to compromise and to me this seems sensible. I would probably change a few things personally but then, wouldn’t we do that on all boats! I’ve always said that when I see something on a boat that I can’t understand, I just means I’ve not found the angle to look at it right. It’s always a compromise and it’s always going to suit someone! Mind you building a boat for ourselves turns out to be the hardest thing, somehow I find it easier for others!!
My comments can definitely be seen as a bit to guess in Cheek, gi en how badly I Lusted after a Swan Sailboat Decades ago, but then again I have learned more and even forgotten more than I ever thought possible, and to me most bui Dersingham of Sailboats today, apart to have totally missed the Point, and have been utterly distracted by the Rather Stupid and Meaningless Words - Blue Water Cruiser, given that pretty much any boat can be made Safe enough to Cross Oceans in . 🤔 What exactly is the point of Sticking very Tall Masts made out of Carbon on a Sailboat, given anyone with a Survivalminstinct hurls a Carbon Flysishing Rod well clear of their bodies at the first hint that there is Any Lightning around ? Yes in Mast Furling has become pretty much indispensable for protecting Sailcloth from horrific And rapid Sailcloth damage by UV exposure,many Not just in the Tropics, and Selden do make perfectly good in Mast Furling Masts out of Aluminium ? For maximum Access, entry and departure from the Widest range of places, demands Shallow Draft and a very low Height Air Draft Mast, and it isca very safe bet that this Swan Fails miserably at both Necessities ? Why drool over a bloody Ultra Anchor by the Way ? I have seen them Fail at their job far toonoften , but will they actually Failmat the right time to save the Boat from being pushed over so far that it was on the brink of capsizing? My oversized Lewmar Delta sets fast, but when my boat was hit by an extremely powerful Tornado on the Starboard side, and the VHF Aerialmon top of the Mast was buried under water on the Port Side, water was over the side decks and was up to the lip of the Cockpit, and With a Bang, the boat popped upright like a Cork as the wonderful Anchor got Pushed out Sideways saving the boat, and saving me from a Swim in the Harbour. Withbthe Anchor alarm screaming, all I had to do was start the engine, glance behind and pick a route between the boats to get into Clear water, put it in neutral for the Anchor and Chain to settle, then put it in Reverse and revving hard, it set instantly, and the boat didn't budge despite being hit by a half dozen or more Tornadoes during the rest of the night. Guess ehat my Main Anchorbis going to be on my next Sailboat? Hint : it won't be a bloody Ultra Will it . 🤔 Best Wishes Bob, who also won't be buying a bloody ridiculous Swan. 👍
Hey up chap. Not really sure what to say. You clearly have you opinions and that’s cool by me. Mind you, I think it’s worth looking up some of your facts a bit, some may be a little outdated. That being said your opinions are welcome here and it’s intertribal hear. I do hope you can see that out content is based upon fact, I’ve been in the boatbuilding world long enough to realise that even the weirdest of thing s is usually correct for someone so I try to take that into account when building or modifying boats. Maybe you don’t like carbon, however maybe there’s some research to be done on that. Dyneema for a rig.. you may note that there’s no talk about that for the structuring in the video, that’s because I done recommend it for cruising. Anchors, I mean… if there were sever a debatable topic it’s that one, let’s not even go there ay. For what it matters we will be doing some testing on anchors later and whatever we find we will put up, I’m not into hiding the truth I’m more interested in finding the truth. The Swan, well where do we go here, it’s underwater shape and bla bla bla, it’s a great boat for sure. It’s excellence lies in the bigs you can’t see which is why many will see it as being the same as a modern Beneteau etc, only it’s not the same, it’s far from it. It is of course built for a customer, one which isn’t you. It’s not me either but that doesn’t mean it can’t be a good cruising boat for someone. It’s also worth noting that the owner of this boat has just come back from 3.5k miles up to the Arctic and back so it can’t be all that bad. Anyhow, I hope to see you in the next one.
@@SailHub 👍 I do sort of make a point of being controversial in hopes of getting people to stop and think, and Rethink many issues Surrounding Sailing Boats, Construction, and Design which personally started for me after the 1979 Fastnet Race Tragedy, and sadly have continued with other Tragedies Since, as old serious flaws seeming to keep reappearing, and even being added to. Sailboat Racing for example, instead of improving the breed like it is supposed to, keeps having a negative effects on Sailboat Design, as bad as it did with the old IOR Rules. Too much of the Racer Racer Cruisers, and not enough of the Cruiser Cruiser Cruisers, and the inclusion of extremely Expensive Exotic Materials for the sake of it, for no practical Benefits, just to drive up the price to Outrageous levels ? What actual Benefits to Carbon laminate components actually bring to the table, other than as bloody expensive visible advertising, and the same Fad is seen in Motorbike and Car featured inclusions in a Bling Effect that ropes in Suckers with more money than Sense in what is really a Blatant misrepresentation of products in my honest opinion, which is all part of things to have a Fundamental Rethink about imho. Best Wishes. Bob. 🤔🌟🌟🌟👍
@toggtlas7099 😂 it’s a headline! How on earth else are we supposed to get you to watch it? Unfortunately “the amazing X brand” just doesn’t work. It’s a sad state of affairs and I think we’re doing alright to be honest, shy of getting more skin on show what else can we do? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
This just sounds like a sales pitch to me. 1) boom furling takes too much time. 2) Ultra is not the best anchor and SS anchors is great for those who anchor for the weekends but not good for serious cruisers. 3) You don't impress anybody by anchoring in sand. Try a hard bottom like Bocas Del Toro. I could watch anymore of this after the Ultra is the best sales pitch.
Ok fella, it’s no stress to me. I’m not working for anyone here and I have nothing to gain. If you really think I would suggest this based on one anchorage you must be bonkers. We tested it for over a year on our previous boat before we returned it. My comments are based on my experience and I am confident in my words and for your reference. There was no financial benefit for me testing the Ultra, at all. Mind you, your free to have your opinion too, that’s all good.
@@FranklinGray mate, come on. I’m not going to sit here and have you troll me. I am sorry for removing your last comment and I will happily leave your comments up if you are just decent enough to respect the creator. It’s ok to doubt our credibility but given we have never spoken and you don’t know me, my situation, experience, testing or reasons to make videos I think you should maybe get to know that before making rather rude accusations. Anyhow, feel free to comment your thoughts on anchors all day fella. That, I have no problem with 👍
For sure, it looks a bit mad up however it’s worth noting it is end boom sheeting so the forces are a lot lower than they would be on a mid boom sheeting. Having built several stainless structures over the years I would suggest they are more than strong enough and I find it hard to believe that Swan would not run the numbers to exceed the required loads. All that being said, it does make you question it on first thoughts.
@@SailHub yah, it think the structure would probably survive, it was the deck that I was worried about! My guess (hope?) would be there’s some sort of large steel plate underneath the deck to spread the load more than the little plate above the deck
@peterjmcgowan yeah! I’d hope so too! 👍🫣 im pretty sure they will have this well under control, mind you it’s kinda worrying that we all briefly questioned it, it tells a story of what goes on with elsewhere in the marine world! Quite frightening!
@@SailHubPersonal choice but I think there will be an increase in friction at the two rubbing points, increased chafe on the sheet, increased danger on the gybe, a poor sheeting angle downwind, and high risk of catching between the wheel-consoles and the table.
@jsytac hmm, I can see the chafe issue despite the friction ring style ends. I think the pedestals are far enough behind not to cause an issue but I still see the risk. However, in comparison to a floor mounted track, all of these problems are amplified, for ocean crossing I would take that any day over mid boom sheeting.
You think so? I’m not convinced by that. Had a great email from the owner too. He’s just finished 3.5k up to the arctic and back. I think it’s the fact you can’t see the innovation that’s the problem. It may look like a Beneteau on the surface but under the skin it’s a different animal.
@blueyhis.zarsoff1147 interesting, I’ve seen quite a few versions now and I can say that the Lewmar and Solimar both appear to be good. The rest however don’t have a difficult enough barrier for the water to get through. Thanks for the info - much appreciated 👍
@@SailHub I dont have a boat with them but got plenty of complaints from owners with them who have had boats before. They get busted lots from sheets being caught on them to.
Totally appreciate that! Sorry, we will correct the subtitles. This one was a little rushed so I didn’t have time before we launched. Happy to have you watching and will try our best to ensure the spelling it corrected and ready for next weeks launch too 👍🏼 “hold fast” (not sure how well this translates but it’s a traditional sailing term that means continue to believe) 😉 Thank you
When swans become floating condos you know to start looking at older boats. I’m so happy I don’t have to be jealous that I can’t afford one. Looks like a fucking Hanse, yuck.
Oh man, your right… in general the modern boys look super similar however they are just big the same.. untried to show some of the differences in the video. The list is endless but sadly it seems that the majority just see the face of it and not what it’s made from or how it is made. Those guys at Swan deserve a good pat on the back if you ask me. The magic is still there it’s just stealth.
Nothing cutting edge to see except possibly carbon rig. Teak decks are disastrous: they are too hot to walk on barefoot in the summer and are either leaky, or thin enough to crack & split. Either way, they are heavy. Roller furling main is highly avoidable. Slab reefing is still the best by far. All flush hatches I have used are terrible. All of them leak, especially the Lewmar. They are decorative only. Ultra anchors are very good as is the Maxwell windlass. This boat isn't a serious cruising boat: no dinghy stowage, no place for outboard or solar panels inadequate protection for the crew. It's a boat for the Mediterranean summer, not a live aboard cruiser.
That’s a big harsh chap, everything is there, the dodger is huge! There is a bleeding garage for the dinghy and you can leave the motor on it. Flush hatches, usually depends on the drainage system put in by the manufacturer, yup. Teak gets hot, but in higher latitudes that’s fine. It’s not likely to leak as that’s production boat boatbuilding techniques your referring too - there’s no screws or pins here chap. As for the furlerboom, have you personally used one made by them? Things are changing.
To much tech in my eyes, dont like rod rigging, slab reefing and a stack pack, dont need 2 wheels as 99.9% of the time its auto pilot while cruising. The anchor roller set up looks flimsy. This is a racer weekend med boat, not for extended cruising. I do believe in the quest for speed and space, seaworthiness is being lost in modern designs. I have little doubt being a swan, its build quality is very sound.
Hey, I get you points there Frog!! Mind you to me the build seems pretty sweet. Mind you it’s worth noting the owner has just come back from 3k miles around the arctic. As you said though he suggested a stack pack to me for my own boat and I think we’re looking into even putting a tiller in her to make some space.
@@SailHubnice review by the way, I much prefer a tiller myself, it is way more windvane friendly and there is less to break and is easy to repair. On repairs, one can carry wire rigging and norseman or sta lock fittings to replace shrouds or stays. Rod rigging not so much, KISS principle is important for extended cruising, to me 3000nm is a short trip.
I'd say he is pretty chilled already, nothing to be nervous about maybe you have been watching too many sailing channels advertising better help all the time?
Thanks mate. Your comment is so appreciated. I was taking a look into the things thy have changed in cruising and effect the build and sailing performance. As for the motor, it’s a diesel, and the generator, well.. that’s up to you what you choose. There’s your answer, does it really matter which one it is? Are you going to make your decision to buy based on the engine? If your a sailor, I really doubt it
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This is by far the best yacht review I have seen on RUclips. Fantastic detail explained by someone who actually knows boatbuilding.
Hey Keith! Cheers for that fella! Glad you enjoyed it 👍😃
Agree!
Thanks Steven! 👍
It's amazing to read the comments on furling booms when I'm sure most have no experience with them. You don't need a hydraulic vang at all, most are manual spring loaded vangs, the booms on larger vessels are both carbon shell and carbon mandrel making them quite light and they are amazing and fast to reef. There's nothing slow about hoisting or lowering the sail of a furling boom it's determined by the speed of the halyard winch. They are certainly superior to in mast furling options except in pricing and a cleaner set up to slab reefing.
Yeah, I can agree with this! It’s just change.. people don’t like it! Mind you, slab is still the best for performance and safety but I think the boom furler is probably the best for the majority.
Magnus Rassy would/does disagree with you, as in mast is his companies preference. Know your/you're love
@JimKJeffries I’m sure Magnus Rassy would argue with a lot of people, the main ones being Najad whom went out of business by sticking to their laurels. Meanwhile Rassy still exists, there’s a reason for that. Their boats are great but it’s worth noting that they found ways to drop their costs etc and also take on common belief where it aids sales. Not saying I don’t like the guy, I’ve not met him and I like his boats, just saying it’s worth realising he’s exceptional at business, not just boat building.
Thanks for doing this, some nice features there. As far as your own boat is concerned and the question of inboom furling - introducing the price premium into the decision matrix is likely to rule it out (well unless you get a generous sponsor).😉
@normanboyes4983 hey Norman, good to hear from you. Yeah… a sponsee would be just grand! However I really do want to go to the arctic. For my self and to see how electric works out up there.. so I think we’re going to go pretty basic and be a straight forward boom.
Mind you, we did like the Swan and we will likely be going down some light weight interiors build when we get started. Mind you….. we need to get some miles in too!!
Great to see the detail your boat builders eye brings to a walk around.
Cheers bud 👍
An advantage of boom furling is, it lowers the center of gravity when the sales are not in use. A big plus in rough weather. Also , you can slowly extend your sails so you can inspect them..
Sure, I can certainly see that over an in mast furler. I had no though of it for unrolling t check the sails mind 👍👌
Great video and we'll explained. Picked up some ideas, which is why your videos are so beneficial, always something new to learn.
Obviously a very high quality yacht, congrats to Swan!
Cheers guys 🍻🍻
Wahey! Cheers to you too 👍😊
Hello, thanks for the visit... I was the skipper of the first Swan 46 mkII for 3 years in 1990, the ancestor of this 48. In 1988 I skippered a swan65, sister ship of the famous Mexican "Sayula", I also skippered other Swan (53, 57,61) until the 2000s. Is true Swans are fantastics under sail ! But, For liveabord full time, I prefer...multihulls !!😁
Well when I see this 48, I would not exchange any of them with this 48, which has lost what largely made the reputation of the Nautor Swan. Boats designed for the high seas in all weathers! One thing to know from Swan, at the origins these boats where design for crews and gentlemens racers, so the deck plan is not a spéciality of Nautor for single handed!!
This 48, which must work well both close-hauled and downwind, I have no doubt about it, has nothing more seaworthy in terms of layout or deck plan! Today's boats have become day boats and for the most luxurious and (horribly) expensive, status boats and made for cocktails in the marina! sit close to the chart table, lie down in a central bed, take one of those right angles of the table in the hip. Nice floor to play ice hockey!! and the electronics screens intalled in flat position on the cockpit without protection,, nice for the rain and waves! Nautor. Like many manufacturers, throws a lot of dust in your eyes and lives on its legend that the old Swans wrote. Paying for a Swan 2 to 3 times the price of an equivalent boat is no longer justified... Sorry for my English I'm French... :))
Ps: Dyneema is strong and efficient, easy to change at sea and cheaper than Winchard stainless stuff ..
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Criekey! Your not impressed then!
It’s a hard game building boys that’s for sure! Everyone’s got a lot of personal beliefs and expectations that’s for sure and then there’s price point, being able to compete with the other manufacturers and of course making sales! I’m just glad I don’t own a yard!
I would tend to agree with him.
Sure, I think it’s a valid comment indeed. Maybe a little harsh in places. It’s just come from 3k miles of sailing to the Arctic and back so it can’t be all bad!
That being said, a lot of the differences are hidden andI quite like its modesty but then it’s just not so obvious.
There are the obvious, the saloon is huge and there is minimal hand holds yet the boats got two aft cabins, a heads near the companion way and a galley in the aft too. There’s really no reason to be going up front much.
It’s a new look at it all which of course can be confused with a modern charter boat but the fact is. It’s not.
Anyhow, it’s not like I’m going to go out and buy one, but I have taken some tricks for our boat build. It’s been a great viewing for myself!
I’ll start with saying, I’m a relatively new Yachtmaster, and a USCG unlimited mate with around 70,000 miles. Sail is not my forte, but boat builders are clearly catering to how sailors spend the vast majority of their time on their boat…and I don’t think that’s necessarily wrong. With reliable access to forecasts/internet, getting caught out in unexpected weather is less of an issue than in the past (but obviously still happens). The point is that even full time world cruisers should be able to avoid most serious weather with proper voyage planning. Therefore, the old school Swan builds are somewhat less relevant today. Since our host is also a camper van builder, it’s like someone decking out their van with a serious 4x4 off-road kit, but using it less than 2% of the time. Is that really a good use of money? This is my two cents, and everyone has their preferences, but boat designs, like anything, change with the times…because the times change.
You can tell that Swan is now an Italian company, all about design, looks to impress. This boat is not intended for blue water cruising but to show off wealth in marinas. The older Swans were made for cruising, guess that's out of fashion nowadays.
They’re certainly changing with the times and it’s worth noting the differences are hidden under the skin with the new Swan’s
Nice video, easy Saturday morning watch. 👌👌👌👍⛵
Cool! Glad you enjoyed it 🙂
Beautiful boat ❤
She certainly is! 👍
I sailed a swan 44 from 1973 recently. Chartered her for a week. it’s basically 4 feet shorter overall but the difference modern hull shape gives in interior volume is just insane
The interior of the 44 would be equivalent to a quarter of what you see in this boat. Boggles the mind.
Yeah it’s mad ay! We’ve been racing on a 70’s Sean 44 this year too. It’s mental the difference!
I got the impression from the title that you were going to rip Swan a new one. Quite the opposite. I think you were very good to Swan for probably good reason. They build a good boat. I can't understand why so many reviewers are so hard on these production boats. I haven't seen many truly new ones. But from what I can see. These boats are modern day wonders. Thanks for the nice video.
Hi Keith, thanks for that. I think credits due where it’s due, sadly we need a title of interest otherwise people just don’t watch it and it not worth our time to make!!!
Glad you enjoyed it and yeah, they are wonderfully made 👍
I think it’s still a valid question: so all these features make it TOO easy for sailors to take on a sailboat with too much power/too reliant on the aids? Nothing will prevent that, of course, but as a non-sailor (ex-Navy used to things failing), I see plenty of areas where loss of power could lead to dangerous situations.
@gregoryf9299 hey Gregory, thanks for your thoughts, it’s seems to be the case with. OST modern boasts ay! What areas concern you in particular? I I again the boom furler is one?
@@gregoryf9299 I’m a tug captain in NY Harbor. A loss of power is always serious shit.
Ohhh yeahhh! Never great news!
Very very good review. Bravo. And the boat is, OMG what a nice boat. Wowww... I like Awan but this one is special really. Thanks a lot for this great review.
Thanks! So glad you enjoyed it, hope to see you in the next video 👍
Fully agree Ultra Anchor is amazing
Well done brilliant video
Oh yeahhhhhh!
Nice vid! Can’t beat synthetic rigging and the underdeck furling gear is clever. Interesting reading some folks’ comments that this isn’t a “serious cruiser”… I mean, it’s a boat with loads of space and performance. By their logic not a single lightweight cat or tri is a “serious cruiser” either😂
Hey up, nice to have your input, you clearly look at not just the boat but the overall picture too 👍
Cheers, Chris
Great Review. Lots of practical cruising considerations.
Cheers princess!! 👍
Makes for a very heavy boom. Not a problem as long as the autopilot is working well and you are careful with gybes.
Cheers 👍
Cool stuff. Cant wait to see your boat build.
Thanks man! I can’t wait to sort the rig and all that jazz, after that is gonna be all guns blazing in some super light build spec. That’s for sure👌
How's the hunt for a UK boat home going?
@SAILBOATJACARANDA errrrr….. slow 🤦♂️ the hunt for a place to melt the keel has become such an issue everything else has had to take a back seat. So I’ve not even looked for a spot on the hard for her UK debut!
Still, we’re getting there and thugs are progressing! Once we get the van done we now have a few options, mind you… they ain’t easy!
@@SailHub Never are. 😆
Amazing rig. Looking forward to seeing half of that in your build. Well, washing machine at least 👍👍
Hey, thanks fella! Me too!
Loving the interior
It’s a beauty!
Dyneema loops and softchackles is the bomb, and with some tools and training you can make and repair them yourself.
For sure! It’s too easy. It all makes perfect sense to me. 👍
The galley is surprisingly good, the sink position is what makes it not too small and the position is great for draining on either tack. Funnily enough, they lost one of the trademark features that traditionally came with this location in a Swan: the drying cabinet. All Finnish homes have a cabinet on top of the sink that have a drying rack bottom and in older swans, this was one of the features that always got so many ooh's and aah's, it just makes sense reactions from non-finns who came on board swans..
So should I win the lottery, I'd have that on top of the sink, I'm sure it would require no explanation when demanded as an option :)
Nice one! Great insights to their heritage! Cheers 👍
Good Vid man, thank you. What is the biggest Swan please ?
Hey thanks fella!
I knew they were massive but had to look them up…. 128’ for cruising and 125’ for racing. If you buy one be sure to invite us along for a ride! 👍😃
I went to southampton boat show last saturday, it was good fun running round all these multi million pound boats and seeing some of the historic ones. Shame I won't be able to afford any anytime soon.
Haha! Yeah, we fall into the same category mate!
Great walk through probably helped by the skills of the camera person lol. They are fab boats from way back and they as a builder are up front on innovation and mixing the two animals. As usual for me I always like a dedicated nav station, but I do come from the past lol. I saw Gentoo in Newport after the Trans CIC earlier this year. I think James just missed out on qualifying for this years Vendee but he's young and has a lot of potential.
Hi Ian! Glad you enjoyed it, yeah Jenni did super with the camera, we’re finding working together is becoming both easier and better now!
For sure the Swans are fab, we’ve done a few races on a 1970’s Swan 44 recently. She’s super stable!!
As for Gentoo, a hell of a beast and aye, James is sound and mega keen, we’ve got a wee interview and tour of that coming soon too!👍
Hello again. The interior passed the Jordy boy quality fiinish test, windows are Wow. Nice chatch on the washer Jen, Great giggle in the main cabin. Which cabin is for the livein tech for all the breakable and failalbes on the deck?
Hey up lad! Good to hear from you, yeah she’s a beauty! As for the breakables…. I class myself as the most likely thing to break here, the amount of times I bump my toes and bang my head on boats is unreal. I’m taking the port quarter 😝
It`s an fantastic boat one of the few downsides is the small dieseltank 360 liters, and the throttle control could be moved up to the pedestal. If i had the money i would buy one today! Thanks for the nice look around!
I’m pretty sure you can opt for more diesel tankage if you want. I think the idea was that there are 3 tanks and you can choose how you want to divide those between water and diesel.
For sure! A beaty of a boat indeed, 360l could be seen as poor for cruising but she’s a lift wind sailor. I guess we can’t have it all..🤔
That sounds sensible, cheers for pitching in 👍🙂
Three cabin 6+ berth 48'...I feel like it can compete with some of the great 50' company's like kraken, hallberg-rassy, amel. I'm not sure I've seen oysters that really fit what I'm liking in the top five. But this boat definitely grinds some good stuff.
Yeah, it’s for sure up there. Not too big but feeling well spacious and seaworthy!
I mean, the advantage to dyneema sheets is pretty straightforward. Soft shackles are stronger and lighter and reduce chafe. But they don't last as long as the hard shackles. You can see the wear, so it shouldn't be a big deal. But it is a tradeoff.
Great points, I completely agree 👍
So envious you get to look at gorgeous boats (aka 1.2M£!) like this and scheme your own build with a more or less blank canvas. I suspect you will do much more with much less. Don't rush your decisions, what you think is a great idea now may not be so in a year's time - that's the great thing about time.
Southampton boat show is the place to do this, be confident and respectful, you definitely see where the money is in these yachts…next level
Hey! Thanks mate, yeah…. We’re pretty lucky that’s for sure and we’re living it!
As for our own boat, she’s going to be something a little different to most things we’ve seen, possibly all things. It’s cool to get ideas everywhere but we need to use our own tin box for a bit before we think too much.
Right now it’s planning the winter and getting her back into the UK - it should be an adventure for sure!!
Thanks for the advice, defo taken on board 👍😀
Yeah SIBS is pretty good for boats kind you they need to uk their game with sustainable boats and products on show! There want much on show for our boatbuild!
Nice design
For sure, she’s a beauty!
Boom furling is fantastic. The best thing about it is if it jams you can still drop the main.
Yeah. In general I’ve got to agree, for a cruiser it just makes sense to me.
@SailHub Yep for cruising yachts. To get the full convenience out of it, an electric winch is a big plus as they do take a lot of winding. My only fear with it is it braking in an isolated area, unlikely but anything is possible. Slab reefing can not be beat for reliability.
That’s true, you can’t beat the slab! I do wonder how well the boom furls in heavy weather if the sail has battens - I’d they don’t run in straight I can imagine a rather large problem however.. do we need full length battens on cruisers?
@SailHub it's very important to have the correct boom angle. You need a rod kicker that can be pre set before reefing or fixed at the correct angle...the angle needs to be about 87 degrees to the mast on the system i know. Having a fully battened main is no issue. If you don't have the boom angle correct you can damage the sail at the luff or have too much leach tension putting excess strain on the system. If all is set up correctly it works well. I don't even come up into the wind to reef, just take load off a bit, keep sailing on course, reef and load up again. (with an electric winch ;)
@robertashcroft9435 thanks for that, yeah just like a mast furler then. Although you can use a topping lift if you don’t have a rod kicker.
Love the interior and good quality of the boat. I don’t understand how the main sheet works going through the pipes in the cockpit. Not a fan of main sheeting in the cockpit on a cruising boat. It can be deadly with accidental jibes. An arch can fix that easily. Nice review
Thanks Patrick!
Yeah, a bit weird the old mainsheet tubes, but I think it’s a positive solution to having an end sheeted boom that allows you to have a table up.
I like end sheeted booms due to the much lower sheet loads but I can see why a lot of cruisers will shy away from them, if your not paying attention you could get a surprise, mind you at Leah with the tube idea it’s not taking you out from under your feet!
I have an Ultra which came with the boat. It's good but not as good as the Spade on my last boat.
I also have doubts about rod rigging for cruising. I viewed a 6 year old X-Yacht, never raced, which a bit of research showed had been dismasted in the English Channel in moderate (F5) conditions because the rigging failed catastrophically. Never heard of wire failing at that age.
Very good review, though. Thanks.
Cheers for that, some great info there. People need to see both sides and I appreciate you reporting your findings.
My experiences to day have found the Ultra superior to the spade but I guess it depends on the sea bed, each will be better in circumstances, that I’m pretty sure of.
As for rod rigging, my findings to day are that it is generally the stemball that fails. The problem is you can’t see it unless you take that part of the rig off. The other problem is that the system doesn’t like articulation a huge amount. So it’s depending on the rigger who installed it. I would generally suggest that if the owner of. Boat doesn’t know enough to recognise a problem with it they probably should stay with wire. Unless of course they have a carbon mast and then the rod rig should be the minimum choice. This is due to the reduction in stretch over wire which benefits the carbon.
Anyhow, hard to point fingers without seeing the breakage and set up really. Another thing to note though, most rod manufacturers recommend a dismantle and check every 7 years .
If you're wanting to take a boat to the artic circle I feel like vertical wind turbine (mast mounted) and hydroelectric is a great thing to look into maybe flexible solar infused on the deck could also help
Mate, I have a feeling your gonna like our boatbuild! Cheers for that👍
@@SailHub definitely will
@MistiMoan sweeet! Great to hear!!
It was kind of hard to make out but was the washing machine behind a glass panel? Pretty cool idea
Yeah, it was 👍
Great looking boat and good review but no discussion on hull shape (plumb bow, huge wide stern ... rudder and keel?), and the pros and cons of this type of design for cruising
Hey up fella, thanks for that.
Yeah, we didn’t have enough time to do everything in this one.
We will go into hull shape at a later date though 👍
keel, rudder, safety features, watertight compartments, draft, sail area, engine, electric propulsion? regen ? just wondering about those
Sweet, we did a good job! My intentions were an overview of modernising a boat with modern materials and that is what I did.
For sure we will go into that stuff, we really just didn’t have time at this show.
@@SailHub great. I will tune in to your channel again.
Ah cool, that’s nice to hear! We’re on with boat building techniques in our van at the moment. A roadboat 😆 but it’s our home for completion of the boat build we’re starting! Can’t wait 👍
You NEED a hydraulic vang on a roller boom to make sure the correct angle is maintained between boom and mast for the furler to work
Interesting point mind, it certainly would make life easy. Mind you, a dyneema topping lift should also work just fine.
I like twin helm however the Sirius 35 and 40 DS have a great solution using a single helm. I also like the twin keels on the Sirius which would also do well in the artic. Just saying like, something to think about
Sure man, I appreciate the feedback! Not so sure on the twin keels, sure they have a place and are becoming more efficient however I like the righting moment from a deep fin and the increased efficiency is really important to us! Mind you, shallow draft is too, which is why she is a lifter.
As for the helms. I really can’t decide, I do like the Jefa swing pedistal but I am questioning a tiller. To be honest we may just experiment and try both!
No main traveler and what happens to that stainless pedestal when you ease the mainsheet? Not sure why you'd have wire backstays rather than some kind of high strength rope like Dyneema that'd save 10s of pounds aloft.
The two sided nav table is nice because people will want to work onboard so it give a lot of useful space for that. I wonder if the table drops so that area can be an additional settee/berth. He didn't point out that there's a vent fan over the stove (which I assume vents outside) which I've never seen on a boat but that's great for getting cooking smells and heat out of the boat. I'd prefer an electric stove and there's no provision on the outside for placing solar panels which is a miss on a proper cruising boat.
Hey up, thanks for the notes, sole great point s for people to take on board there 👍
I like the nave table too, I’m pretty sure it’s fixed, mind you the Elans have a cool system that spins around to become a berth too.
Traveler is obviously an option in these, I think I would opt for that personally and yeah, the oven vent. Cool ay 👍
Hope to see you in the next one,
Chris 👍
What's that sailboat w the turquoise hull in the background?
Ahhhh, she’s a beauty! It’s Gentoo,s imoca 60! Formally “Hugo Boss”
What’s better is that we have a tour and interview with the skipper coming up! Such a cool boat!
@@SailHub thanks!
I'm very pro dynima. But I've sailed with cruisers who aren't. Firstly, on old boats they often play badly with the existing winches, causing slipping lines etc, which means that older boats tend to use over speced line. This can lead to damagingvdeck harsware, as the weak link is no longer cgeap poly line, but expensive toe rails/ blocks.
Hey Ben, yeah… I can se me that as I’ve seen it many times before however that’s just badly specified. We can get softer casings and the likes but you’ve got to go with your boat really.
I mean, old wooden gaffers and the likes don’t want dyneema ropes, neither do wooden hulls most of the time, we need to let those things flex and move as the should. So yeah, dyneema is great. But like many things, we can’t blame the product for its misuse!
of course a lot of things are very cool for this money.They also should be.
That comment, is bang on chap!
I can't help but wonder what she will look like in 40 or 50 years. How will the light weight cored doors etc hold up compared to the current 50 year old Swans?
Same with the teak decks (love the connection to planting) how thick are they?
I'm concerned about the safety of these boats that could see a couple in real trouble on an Atlantic if any one of several things broke (electric winches, boom furling being very obvious ones).
Hey up, good to hear from you! It seems to me the experience the Swan guys have has really paid off in this boat, on the face of it I can see why there is a marmite approach for many.
For me, being totally honest inthi n they have made some great choices and given the build quality is better than ever I was actually really impressed.
Nomex is just brilliant. It’s stronger than any ply based door was and there’s less effort working against it too due to the light weight.
The teak, yeah.. cool that they have a forest, they appear considerably thicker than most yards use. I didn’t question it ti be honest, it just looked ‘right’ however it will of course wear out at some point, but there are no through grp fixings to worry about so no leaks at least.
As for the electric winches, the harken ones on show here are the same as the mechanical option, when you pop a winch handle in the top it mechanically disengages the motor so there’s no energy loss by going manual. The boom furler, you can just drop it like a traditional main if you want too so that takes considerable stress away.
So it leaves me thinking there’s not much to complain about!
@@SailHub I get that the winches can be used manually, but can a couple who rely on the electrics cope if the winch fails s (as Sailing Cadoha managed with their Seldon in a crash gybe). Probably more of a problem on yachts the next size up or two.
I get that the sales pitch for the boom furler but I'm not convinced they are a safe seaworthy option for world cruising. Chances of being stuck somewhere waiting for parts among the reasons.
@@SailHub "not much to complain about" I'd hope so for 50x the cost of ours 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@SailHub can you do a more detailed follow up about your comments on the varnish on rebates cracking (trim on the forehatch vs the heads door frame). We got a bit confused.
For sure mate I get your point, mind you I’m not into sales pitch’s man. I’m just speaking how I feel.
The boom furler, I think they are great but I wouldn’t have battens in it. If we were going around the world I would get some soft eyes in the sails too and prep the mast before you leave. That way it’s ready to run it as a slab reefing system without any parts, if it goes pear shaped.
I actually spent quite a bit of time a couple of years back looking into furlerboom as an option for our boat and met them in person too. I had an in mast which was riddled with trouble until I re-rigged it and changed the rake and the sails. After that it opens my mind a bit, but not enough to do it again. It was then that I started looking into furling booms and the engineering behind them with more detail. The only reason I moved away from it is the cost and the potential of freezing, which is probably very unlikely.
They are just too dammed expensive.
Anyhow, you may not like them and that’s cool too.
Anyhow, we’re going slab reefed and that’s a hassle enough with a 56m2 main. It’s not massive but for a shorthand crew do I like simple.
I would’ve enjoyed a look at the engine room and electrical systems. Otherwise it was a nice look at the design 👍
Sure, although the electrics are most likely a custom offering so not really why effects the purchase as for the motor. Yeah, it would have been good to get a look but we were short in time. Next time!
Some Bungee cord would tame those hanging blocks and some pretty sharp corners in the interior furniture.
Can’t go wrong with a bit of bungee!
Would have been nice to see the motor ect
Yeah it would! I hope that our channel grows a bit and we get the recognition to gain a bit more time on board at the shows to manage this and also get out on the water! 👍
I’d prefer some sheer frankly.
Theres plenty options out there for you, curios as to why? Aesthetics?
I'm sure some salty old guys would say it's too modern, but I think it's beautiful
Hey Bill, it seems your right there! I like her too 👍
The chain damages the bottom 100X more than any hook
Your bang on there mate, it, does indeed! We will Go into our anchoring choices when we get to that point, but it all starts from the hook!
For cruising, I don't think Dyneema is a good choice for standing rigging, maybe more so for cold climates, as the dyneema actually expands when it gets cold. And the coefficient of thermal expansion is large enough that you would lose all tension in the rig.
For sure. I couldn’t agree more! Carbon though.. Maybe 🤔
Engine compartment?
It doesn’t have one!
We didn’t have time and we don’t really have permission to start taking things apart..
Hopefully we will get know for it and then we may get more time and opportunity 🤞
In our harbour is a Swan 1974. 43 ft. In excellent condition. Obviously a 2024 Swan will not last more than 20 years.😮
Really? Probably worth watching the video again. The devil is in the details, this is so far from a production boat the merely looks the same on the face.
It’s made in Finnland 😍
Oh yeaaaah!
A empty furler boom when gybing sounds fairly light weight way to go I reckon
Yeah, it’s does sound pretty good, but compared to a standard boom, the increase in weight is pretty hefty.
Either way, I’m planning on making a carbon boom as it’s cheaper than buying an alloy one! That being said, if the price was right I would save the fabrication hassle!
I like your thinking but I just think a project is cool but if it goes on too long too many things can happen and you miss out on the real life fun
@mattdouglas5570 oh no mate. That’s not happening here! I’m right in your camp fella! No boatyard hanging around for us, I’ve spent far to many days working in them already!
The plan is to get going as soon as we can, a build focused on efficiency and experimentation. So we need to get going and keep modifying until we have a plan and then spend some time on her, bit by bit and get it right! Can’t wait! 👍
@@SailHub yer mate I'm a boat builder too I know exactly where you're coming from
@mattdouglas5570 sweet! Mate, thanks for getting involved too, so good to have some experienced minds pitching in. Much appreciated 👍
The only thing that I don't understand is that Swan has done away with a forward facing chart table. A real work space, where you will spend a good deal of time while cruising. And then they've put the table in the salon instead of at the bottom of the steps for ease of use.
To be honest I think it will have come from market research, Han if recently spent a few years cruising I think I could count the amount of chart table users in both hands. I’m one of the few and when it comes to building our own boat it will be interesting to see what we choose.
The reason I say that is because for the first few sails she will be empty of furniture so I will need to learn alternative methods
Nice, apart from the now-obligatory giant rectangular picture windows in the hull. I don't want to know about the glue specs, the testing, the certification, the reinforcement of the surrounding edge, the oblating of corners. Just give me a complete hull please.
😂👍🏼
Don't worry. Those maxi Windows will leak tomorrow. Or the day after tomorrow.😅😅😅😮
Let’s not forget this leaking issue had a lot to do with the hull flex found on many boats. I think they will be just fine in this boat personally. I’m not fond of them myself as I like the idea of high latitude sailing and it just doesn’t make sense, but then neither does this boat for that use for that matter. I also wouldn’t touch them on production boats or many other boats but in believe the swan should be grand.
@@et1161 It's not so much leaking that concerns me as hull integrity. I don't live in the Med or Caribbean but in NZ. A couple of years ago the Commodore of a local yacht club was sailing back from Tonga on a Bav 46. Some serious seas were enough to sink her. Boat started flexing. Then, if memory serves, windows popped out. (Now we have another layer of stupid bandaid regulations as a result). I don't even know if it was hull windows that popped or cabin ones but down here I want all the structural integrity I can get. I don't want disparate materials meeting in stressed areas. More than that, even if it were mathematically proven to be safe, I just wouldn't _feel_ secure in it. It's that glass-floored bridge effect. Right now I'm sitting in an old 38ft steel boat with tiny cabin windows and absolutely no shortage of light.
I think dyneema is fantastic. The more bits of steel you can take off the boat, the lower the cost of maintenance will be, and the higher the chance is that the maintenance will actually be done when it should be.
Before everything was held together with steel it was held together with rope. I think it's good that we're going back, now that we've got better rope.
Hey! I could not agree more! Great username too👍
You should mention a rough price range when you do these reviews. Otherwise very good quick review.
Cheers! We didn’t out a price in it as we didn’t know it 😆
Thanks for the compliments, we will find out next time!
I have raced boats with dyneema or PBO in the backstays for ages, it will last... and is light..
For sure, no probs with a backstay or runners. Not sure how I feel about going to the arctic with Pbo caps though.
They are probably fine… but my initial thoughts are the thermal expansion
dude that lady in the green pants, backing that up.🍧
Your gonna have to help me out here… a time stamp maybe? I have no idea 🤷♂️
I just wonder about the underbody shape. Does it have a short, deep, bulbed keel ? Does it have twin, spade rudders?
If it has these features, I would expect it to be extremely vulnerable to killer-whale assaults and keel strikes.
For sure! That makes sense, if you after one I’m sure you would check it out ay. It’s all compromises! So hard to build the perfect boat. That’s what the guys at Kraken are trying to do. For sure a belter of a boat but to much compromise on performance and sailing ability for me. Tricky game boatbuilding ay!
Just toss the Orcas a beach ball and they'll leave your boat alone.
Get in! The best solution I’ve heard yet!
Appears all the Euro boat manufacturers are in a competition, to see who can build the largest Med day sailor.
🤭😂 I can see why you would think that!! Mind you the owner of this has just come back from 3k mikes sailing up to the Arctic and back. Maybe it’s not quite as it seems on the face of it?
Words fail me.
Hi Paul, thanks mate. I presume that’s a good thing?
For me the acid test is could I safely make an upwind passage in her-get across the salon, use the heads, cook, sleep securely, helm comfortably etc. There were overhead grab rails to get across the salon, the sink is midline, but otherwise not sure.
The heads is right next to the companion way what more do you want? The quarter berths are the norm on passage for comfort, your gonna struggle to fall out of them. I’m not really sure there is a problem here?
One head should have a fore-aft toilet, hope there are lee boards and lee cloths for berths, grabbing the deck chairs looks frightening in a seaway. Would you trust the fridge to keep closed on port tack without a backup latch? The dodger does not have outboard grab bars to go forward. It does not appear that there is any way to pull the sprit tack point aft to connect a code sail.
@madisonian50 the deck chairs are to be stowed away 😩…
Anyhow, your probably forgetting these are a semi custom build anyway. You can specify what you want just as the owner of this one specified what they wanted.
Lee cloths are most likely an option, although easily added after, some times extra grab rails are an extra, as some people want a clean look and they can handle the standard fiddle grabs on the table and bulkheads ext.
As for the heads. Really? Your that fussy? I mean, fair enough you can probably get single shower option and you achieved your goal. However you loose the washing machine and your in search of expansive laundromats as you cruise.
It’s always a compromise and I’d say this is pretty sweet and easy to adapt for some pretty hardy sailing if that’s your choice! That being said, it’s super hard to build a boat to tick all the boxes, just try to spec your dream boat and it becomes compromise after compromise.
On the plus side there is I think a deck fitting for a removable inner forestay. Would probably be nice to have a staysail rather than depend on a “triple reefed” furled genoa.
@@madisonian50 oh mate, your not wrong there. A staysail would be epic, looking at the rig and the hull it’s most likely going to be a Solent stay, pretty good for most cruising situations.
Price ..... ??
Its one of those you have too ask moments! 1.2m
If you have to ask you likely can’t afford it.
Yup, that’s about it 👍
Dingy lockers, to me, are such a colossal waste of space. All of that could be interior volume which could also be used for storage. When did davits cease to be a thing?! Faster, cheaper and easier to use in anything but flat water.
Maybe, I would think that’s a personal choice though. It’s still storage and you can still put davits on. The divers generally live a dinghy locker. Also great for cyclists 👍
Given how dangerous and prone to failure furling jibs are, the thought of a furling mainsail fills me with dread.
Interesting, what’s happening with jibs then?
@@SailHub If you look on youtube most of the emergency situations are caused by rollerfurlers. They jam at the worst possible time and are then impossible to drop.
@TheCoolhead27 to be fair you are correct. Mind you RUclips probably isn’t a good place to use for reliability research. I would suggest the vast majority of problems are user error, it’s remarkable the things that have come to us over the years. Im my experience when used properly and maintained there isn’t usually a problem with them.
That's true, they can be operated safely if you are careful and you get them rolled up early before the wind really comes on. I just think it's so risky, especially putting them on charter boats. People have a tendency of getting in over their heads to begin with.
@TheCoolhead27 oh yeah! You right about folk getting in over their heads…
Mind you, how likely do you think the average could drop a 140% Genoa on a 50’ boat safely? I highly doubt most would know where to start. There would likely be sheets and sail flying everywhere and total carnage!
it's all nice but the price
@dummylopez6094 Your not wrong there!
Can someone please elaborate on why in-boom furler would be problematic in colder climates?
Mandrel freezing in place and snow and ice fills up in the boom trough.
@@SailHub well, makes perfect sense, I thought it was gonna be something less down to earth!
@wrobelda 👍 mind you… There is the question that as we go further north the earth spins at lower speed. Could this reduction in circular motion create a phenomenon where the rotational velocity of a furling mandrel is also effected? I’m sure someone somewhere would think so? 🤔🤦♂️
Interesting that despite bow and stern thrusters they hadn't put throttles on the pedestals.
Personally I like that, they always seem to get knocked by people or caught in ropes. Where it is is easily accessible and protected by the helmsman. What do you think?
@@SailHub Personally I find I have more control and less distraction with pedestal or fly bridge mount. It looked to me like the boat was set up for sailing performance and the engine almost an after thought. Swan probably offer all sorts of configurations and to each their own.
@matthewsellers82 hey Mathew, she was sure set up for some performance cruising!! I imagine you could have the throttle in a different place as you suggested. I guess it’s horses for courses and I can completely understand why you may want it if easy access, it makes a lot of sense.
the helm area looks to exposed in open ocean heavy weather
Each to their own but she is an open cockpit boat and the bow is a long long way from the helm stations.
With the Bimini and the dodger up I’m sure it will be well protected.
Around $1.5 million US.
It’s a bargain! I’ll have two!
you know it's a serious boat builder when they have fixed anchor points for lee-cloth in the cabins! warms my heart! the common mainstream cruisers today do not come with this equipped!
I had a Jeanneau 49 DS from 2007. a great boat. sailed fantastic and not much sound down below when pushing her in bad weather in the north sea but i allways felt it was a compromise between being a open water sailor and a great choice for day cruising the med. And with the owners suite up front with a center bed with space to almost walk beside you could forget having a good night of sleep while underway but it looked awesome in harbour. so they've thought of a lot. And Swan being a performance oriented producer of sailboats for many years it seems like they propose to the cruisers with this boat and setup. It would be awesome to see how it sails. most likely as great as her siblings!
I liked your tour of the boat. Not biased and bought by the yard it seemed!
When it comes to the Dynema to the Harken block on the mast my first thought was wear and tear. When you have a mast with that great finish you do not want a steel shackle rubbing against the coating when pushing the boat. That would lead to unnecessary cost while this setup will not scratch the surface but maybe rub it a bit.
I considered an early 2000 swan, 48 mk2 for a while back. Did not go for it tho as i felt the cockpit was outdated for sailing with kids and family.
It is quite strange. Once i wanted the Swan/Baltic setup with a small cockpit for socialising and a sailors cockpit aft with all winches and steering wheel but now with kids, this is what you want. You want a performance cruiser you know can handle a regatta to Shetland, crossing the atlantic and cruise the med/pacific with kids. And the cockpit here can handle everything. It is a compromise maybe but it sells in to more customers than the more performance oriented sailors want!
Keep the vids coming. I'll sure check out who you/you guys are and what you do!
Cheers from Norway.
Cheers for that! Some great point made there and I’m pleased that first of all you enjoyed it and secondly that we don’t come across biased as we’re not, it just my beliefs and that’s it.
The North Sea is surely a fun place to sail and you need a boat that is as prepared as it’s crew! But like you said, if your in the business of selling boats you need to compromise and to me this seems sensible. I would probably change a few things personally but then, wouldn’t we do that on all boats!
I’ve always said that when I see something on a boat that I can’t understand, I just means I’ve not found the angle to look at it right. It’s always a compromise and it’s always going to suit someone! Mind you building a boat for ourselves turns out to be the hardest thing, somehow I find it easier for others!!
My comments can definitely be seen as a bit to guess in Cheek, gi en how badly I Lusted after a Swan Sailboat Decades ago, but then again I have learned more and even forgotten more than I ever thought possible, and to me most bui
Dersingham of Sailboats today, apart to have totally missed the Point, and have been utterly distracted by the Rather Stupid and Meaningless Words - Blue Water Cruiser, given that pretty much any boat can be made Safe enough to Cross Oceans in . 🤔 What exactly is the point of Sticking very Tall Masts made out of Carbon on a Sailboat, given anyone with a Survivalminstinct hurls a Carbon Flysishing Rod well clear of their bodies at the first hint that there is Any Lightning around ? Yes in Mast Furling has become pretty much indispensable for protecting Sailcloth from horrific And rapid Sailcloth damage by UV exposure,many Not just in the Tropics, and Selden do make perfectly good in Mast Furling Masts out of Aluminium ? For maximum Access, entry and departure from the Widest range of places, demands Shallow Draft and a very low Height Air Draft Mast, and it isca very safe bet that this Swan Fails miserably at both Necessities ? Why drool over a bloody Ultra Anchor by the Way ? I have seen them Fail at their job far toonoften , but will they actually Failmat the right time to save the Boat from being pushed over so far that it was on the brink of capsizing? My oversized Lewmar Delta sets fast, but when my boat was hit by an extremely powerful Tornado on the Starboard side, and the VHF Aerialmon top of the Mast was buried under water on the Port Side, water was over the side decks and was up to the lip of the Cockpit, and With a Bang, the boat popped upright like a Cork as the wonderful Anchor got Pushed out Sideways saving the boat, and saving me from a Swim in the Harbour. Withbthe Anchor alarm screaming, all I had to do was start the engine, glance behind and pick a route between the boats to get into Clear water, put it in neutral for the Anchor and Chain to settle, then put it in Reverse and revving hard, it set instantly, and the boat didn't budge despite being hit by a half dozen or more Tornadoes during the rest of the night. Guess ehat my Main Anchorbis going to be on my next Sailboat? Hint : it won't be a bloody Ultra Will it . 🤔 Best Wishes Bob, who also won't be buying a bloody ridiculous Swan. 👍
Hey up chap. Not really sure what to say. You clearly have you opinions and that’s cool by me.
Mind you, I think it’s worth looking up some of your facts a bit, some may be a little outdated. That being said your opinions are welcome here and it’s intertribal hear.
I do hope you can see that out content is based upon fact, I’ve been in the boatbuilding world long enough to realise that even the weirdest of thing s is usually correct for someone so I try to take that into account when building or modifying boats.
Maybe you don’t like carbon, however maybe there’s some research to be done on that. Dyneema for a rig.. you may note that there’s no talk about that for the structuring in the video, that’s because I done recommend it for cruising.
Anchors, I mean… if there were sever a debatable topic it’s that one, let’s not even go there ay. For what it matters we will be doing some testing on anchors later and whatever we find we will put up, I’m not into hiding the truth I’m more interested in finding the truth.
The Swan, well where do we go here, it’s underwater shape and bla bla bla, it’s a great boat for sure. It’s excellence lies in the bigs you can’t see which is why many will see it as being the same as a modern Beneteau etc, only it’s not the same, it’s far from it.
It is of course built for a customer, one which isn’t you. It’s not me either but that doesn’t mean it can’t be a good cruising boat for someone. It’s also worth noting that the owner of this boat has just come back from 3.5k miles up to the Arctic and back so it can’t be all that bad.
Anyhow, I hope to see you in the next one.
@@SailHub 👍 I do sort of make a point of being controversial in hopes of getting people to stop and think, and Rethink many issues Surrounding Sailing Boats, Construction, and Design which personally started for me after the 1979 Fastnet Race Tragedy, and sadly have continued with other Tragedies Since, as old serious flaws seeming to keep reappearing, and even being added to. Sailboat Racing for example, instead of improving the breed like it is supposed to, keeps having a negative effects on Sailboat Design, as bad as it did with the old IOR Rules. Too much of the Racer Racer Cruisers, and not enough of the Cruiser Cruiser Cruisers, and the inclusion of extremely Expensive Exotic Materials for the sake of it, for no practical Benefits, just to drive up the price to Outrageous levels ? What actual Benefits to Carbon laminate components actually bring to the table, other than as bloody expensive visible advertising, and the same Fad is seen in Motorbike and Car featured inclusions in a Bling Effect that ropes in Suckers with more money than Sense in what is really a Blatant misrepresentation of products in my honest opinion, which is all part of things to have a Fundamental Rethink about imho. Best Wishes. Bob. 🤔🌟🌟🌟👍
Top range yachts are carbon copies of each other these days ( excuse the pun ). We look after a number of Solaris yachts which are almost identical.
Yeah, they do have a similar build. I guess that’s what the buyers are demanding.
"Has [x brand gone too far]?"
Proceeds to give the most branch shilling segment imaginable. Oh influensers, never change.
@toggtlas7099 😂 it’s a headline! How on earth else are we supposed to get you to watch it? Unfortunately “the amazing X brand” just doesn’t work.
It’s a sad state of affairs and I think we’re doing alright to be honest, shy of getting more skin on show what else can we do? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
This just sounds like a sales pitch to me. 1) boom furling takes too much time. 2) Ultra is not the best anchor and SS anchors is great for those who anchor for the weekends but not good for serious cruisers. 3) You don't impress anybody by anchoring in sand. Try a hard bottom like Bocas Del Toro. I could watch anymore of this after the Ultra is the best sales pitch.
Ok fella, it’s no stress to me. I’m not working for anyone here and I have nothing to gain. If you really think I would suggest this based on one anchorage you must be bonkers. We tested it for over a year on our previous boat before we returned it. My comments are based on my experience and I am confident in my words and for your reference. There was no financial benefit for me testing the Ultra, at all.
Mind you, your free to have your opinion too, that’s all good.
@@FranklinGray mate, come on. I’m not going to sit here and have you troll me.
I am sorry for removing your last comment and I will happily leave your comments up if you are just decent enough to respect the creator.
It’s ok to doubt our credibility but given we have never spoken and you don’t know me, my situation, experience, testing or reasons to make videos I think you should maybe get to know that before making rather rude accusations.
Anyhow, feel free to comment your thoughts on anchors all day fella. That, I have no problem with 👍
Yeah add up a total rig cost of using dyneema...there's yer answer as to why not everyone uses it. We're not all wealthy.
Got ya! Like I said, maybe a step too far! Kerrrrching! Thankfully though, we’re minted too so we’re all good 🤦♂️😝
@@SailHub LOL
No main sheet traveller and the sheets are lead from pipes.... Unconventional.
That’s pretty true. I believe you can have it with a traveler if you want it though.
Right? The lateral forces on the top of those pipes must be massive, especially after a jibe…
For sure, it looks a bit mad up however it’s worth noting it is end boom sheeting so the forces are a lot lower than they would be on a mid boom sheeting. Having built several stainless structures over the years I would suggest they are more than strong enough and I find it hard to believe that Swan would not run the numbers to exceed the required loads. All that being said, it does make you question it on first thoughts.
@@SailHub yah, it think the structure would probably survive, it was the deck that I was worried about! My guess (hope?) would be there’s some sort of large steel plate underneath the deck to spread the load more than the little plate above the deck
@peterjmcgowan yeah! I’d hope so too! 👍🫣 im pretty sure they will have this well under control, mind you it’s kinda worrying that we all briefly questioned it, it tells a story of what goes on with elsewhere in the marine world! Quite frightening!
That mainsheet run, through the table leg is terrible. Utterly ridiculous.
Each to their own but it does take away a trip hazard from a single fixed point on the deck whilst increasing strength and reducing sheet tension.
Each to their own but it does take away a trip hazard from a single fixed point on the deck whilst increasing strength and reducing sheet tension.
@@SailHubPersonal choice but I think there will be an increase in friction at the two rubbing points, increased chafe on the sheet, increased danger on the gybe, a poor sheeting angle downwind, and high risk of catching between the wheel-consoles and the table.
@jsytac hmm, I can see the chafe issue despite the friction ring style ends. I think the pedestals are far enough behind not to cause an issue but I still see the risk. However, in comparison to a floor mounted track, all of these problems are amplified, for ocean crossing I would take that any day over mid boom sheeting.
imagine the forces at play here, custrom lever arm to rip a hole in your deck... not a fan...
No, no, no, those are just show pieces for their owners. 'Dressed to impress' with a tux, while pretending to sail.
You think so? I’m not convinced by that. Had a great email from the owner too. He’s just finished 3.5k up to the arctic and back.
I think it’s the fact you can’t see the innovation that’s the problem. It may look like a Beneteau on the surface but under the skin it’s a different animal.
Flush hatches.....not working forever
Oh dear, I’m not surprised to be reading this comment…Mind, I be got to ask if you have had much to do with the new generation of Lewmar ones?
@@SailHub yes on several brands of boats, they are poor quality.
Cant beat the old aluminium frame version, last for years but no longer trendy
@blueyhis.zarsoff1147 interesting, I’ve seen quite a few versions now and I can say that the Lewmar and Solimar both appear to be good. The rest however don’t have a difficult enough barrier for the water to get through.
Thanks for the info - much appreciated 👍
@@SailHub I dont have a boat with them but got plenty of complaints from owners with them who have had boats before.
They get busted lots from sheets being caught on them to.
@@SailHub yes lots of complaints from new boat owners unless something changed in the last 12 months?
What kind of accent does this guy have - Scottish?
Ah…. Is a hybrid mate! I’m from Durham in the north east of England. We’re special around there 😉
Please work on your spelling, hard to understand for non english speakers as mother language. thanks
Totally appreciate that! Sorry, we will correct the subtitles. This one was a little rushed so I didn’t have time before we launched. Happy to have you watching and will try our best to ensure the spelling it corrected and ready for next weeks launch too 👍🏼 “hold fast” (not sure how well this translates but it’s a traditional sailing term that means continue to believe) 😉 Thank you
When swans become floating condos you know to start looking at older boats.
I’m so happy I don’t have to be jealous that I can’t afford one. Looks like a fucking Hanse, yuck.
Oh man, your right… in general the modern boys look super similar however they are just big the same.. untried to show some of the differences in the video.
The list is endless but sadly it seems that the majority just see the face of it and not what it’s made from or how it is made.
Those guys at Swan deserve a good pat on the back if you ask me. The magic is still there it’s just stealth.
Where you can smuggle small children if you’re into that sort of thing.
Said George nestle coffee pods and Oprah I’m a dietitian.
Well done
Love it
Haha! Cheers man🤙🤭
Nothing cutting edge to see except possibly carbon rig. Teak decks are disastrous: they are too hot to walk on barefoot in the summer and are either leaky, or thin enough to crack & split. Either way, they are heavy. Roller furling main is highly avoidable. Slab reefing is still the best by far. All flush hatches I have used are terrible. All of them leak, especially the Lewmar. They are decorative only. Ultra anchors are very good as is the Maxwell windlass. This boat isn't a serious cruising boat: no dinghy stowage, no place for outboard or solar panels inadequate protection for the crew. It's a boat for the Mediterranean summer, not a live aboard cruiser.
What do you mean no dingy stowage? You could fit an inflated dingy of 2,5 meters.
@@jwxlr where?
@@deerfootnz ruclips.net/video/9HLVDJ6BMnA/видео.html
That’s a big harsh chap, everything is there, the dodger is huge! There is a bleeding garage for the dinghy and you can leave the motor on it.
Flush hatches, usually depends on the drainage system put in by the manufacturer, yup. Teak gets hot, but in higher latitudes that’s fine. It’s not likely to leak as that’s production boat boatbuilding techniques your referring too - there’s no screws or pins here chap. As for the furlerboom, have you personally used one made by them? Things are changing.
Exactly! 😆
To much tech in my eyes, dont like rod rigging, slab reefing and a stack pack, dont need 2 wheels as 99.9% of the time its auto pilot while cruising. The anchor roller set up looks flimsy. This is a racer weekend med boat, not for extended cruising. I do believe in the quest for speed and space, seaworthiness is being lost in modern designs. I have little doubt being a swan, its build quality is very sound.
Hey, I get you points there Frog!! Mind you to me the build seems pretty sweet. Mind you it’s worth noting the owner has just come back from 3k miles around the arctic. As you said though he suggested a stack pack to me for my own boat and I think we’re looking into even putting a tiller in her to make some space.
@@SailHubnice review by the way, I much prefer a tiller myself, it is way more windvane friendly and there is less to break and is easy to repair. On repairs, one can carry wire rigging and norseman or sta lock fittings to replace shrouds or stays. Rod rigging not so much, KISS principle is important for extended cruising, to me 3000nm is a short trip.
This gentleman has a few things to learn.
Here we go…. Spit it out then
@@SailHubI think they're speaking in 3rd person referring to themselves clearly...
Cheers fella! Loving the support, thanks! 👍
Please relax a bit. I get nervous watching your videos
So don’t watch them, jeeez
A first class appreciation of this yacht from an experienced boat builder/ sailor.
BZ on a good job.
Swan should be chuffed.
Haha!! Fantastic!! Thanks for that 👍
Sorry chap, your not gonna change me matey. Shame we were not likely to enjoy a pint sometime at 🤣🍻
I'd say he is pretty chilled already, nothing to be nervous about maybe you have been watching too many sailing channels advertising better help all the time?
I guess this boat doesn't have any engine, generator or electrical system. Pretty SHITTY Tour
Thanks mate. Your comment is so appreciated. I was taking a look into the things thy have changed in cruising and effect the build and sailing performance. As for the motor, it’s a diesel, and the generator, well.. that’s up to you what you choose. There’s your answer, does it really matter which one it is? Are you going to make your decision to buy based on the engine? If your a sailor, I really doubt it