9 // Maura Murray - Part 9
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Lance Reenstierna and Tim Pilleri interview author James Renner about his new book "True Crime Addict" about Maura Murray, due out in May of 2016. (Pre-order it here: www.amazon.com/...)
Topics include James's 'sociopath' comment from episode six, Alden Howes Olson, Vester Lee Flanagan, James A. Conrad (the former New Hampshire State trooper who recently wrote on Facebook that the NHSP know who murdered Maura), the suspect we believe James A. Conrad is speaking of, the mysterious phone call that Maura's boyfriend Billy Rauch received, Maura's mother, father, and family, the rag in the tailpipe, the missing $4,000, and more.
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I think it needs to be said again that no one without some sort of psych degree is qualified to diagnose a person "after the fact" without even interviewing the person in question.
Even psychiatrists make mistakes sometimes when they make a diagnosis. Imagine how someone without any training might do.
I wonder if the father's rejection of James and his book is somehow (consciously or not) causing James to write about the family in a negative light. He has already come to the conclusion Maura is alive, so he is working backwards from that, which is the antithesis of the Scientific method. I still like him though and plan on buying his book next week.
My personal theory about the family apathy is you have a dysfunctional family in some way and maybe they simply don't care, maybe they didn't like her. I could be wrong. I try not to hold hard truths when it comes to this story and keep an open mind.
TheAlystraStardust excellent writer. Great book. The family hates him because they know he is close to the truth.
Her mother could not participate in search, because of an injury to her foot and ankle.
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I have noticed sometimes when people supposedly in the know make claims they occasionally have it exactly wrong. They do a quick pass over on Forcier but to me if he in fact said that he "saw a woman of Mauras description running down the road" If that is true can you imagine a woman running down the road carrying a backpack with alcohol beverages and likely somewhat Intoxicated after having ban auto accident!? Perhaps it's just me but to think Maura would be running down the road in such condition seems unlikely. If Forcier is therefore lieing that would raise serious red flags to me.
I completely disagree thats she was a sociopath. But, I don't know why this guy gets so much guff for not reporting accurately. He's very interesting. I don't know enough about him or the case but I find what he has to say important. Can anyone explain?
definition: a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.
Dire circumstances can propel an otherwise good person to manifest these characteristics. You don't steal from Fort knox because you're mentally healthy. You steal from fort knox wen your inner monologue is screaming for help or screaming for a change in your life.
Renner doesn't just make things up.
@@unprocessed_life Yes he does at times. He no longer thinks that, either. You are misunderstanding the definition. There is no evidence that it was a major part of her personality. Sociopathy is a personality disorder, which is not a mental illness. People can do bad things without being either mentally ill or personality disordered. It happens every day. Renner was not qualified to make such a diagnosis. There's a true sociopath in the WH. It hardly compares to Maura's actions. Bill Rausch is more of a sociopath than Maura ever was.
@@unprocessed_life The whole "stealing from Fort Knox" is so overrated. It was stealing from a PX...which is like stealing from a Walmart. Stealing is wrong, but it's being made out to be some high level crime that she stole from FT KNOX, as if it was high level valuables or something unimaginable. Calm down!
This case kind of reminds me of the Tiffany Jenks murder, or rather the strange events surrounding it with her family. The more I hear of the Maura case, the more I think she was under MK Ultra mind control.
Well. Some ppl are under the impression if u offer CASH- all of it in CASH- that u might get a better deal. I can see someone thinking that looking for a used car. Maybe Fred just didn't consider it until that Saturday. Too late to go to a bank. And wanted to get it done that weekend -if they could. I'm not saying it's not - still suspicious - but it's not too out of the ordinary if u are looking to buy a used car and get a good deal.
I'm telling you , I know what olsen is saying......Someone(he) killed her in Amherst dumped her in a body of water , then drove her car , and stayed at the ski resort. I think I know where the Bodies of water of video is showing...
Then why drive a car that's running badly so far away? A stop by police along the way would have been a disaster for the perpetrator.
The most glaringly significant thing that I have learned from the two Renner interviews that you have done so far is to learn of the number of people connected to the Maura Murray case who refuse to have anything to do with James Renner.
Renner, on the other hand, proves that he is in fact amazingly naive about the reason why he is being shunned, deciding that, if someone doesn't want to talk to him, then they must be hiding something, when in fact, it is Renner's abusive behavior that is at the root cause of doors being literally slammed in his face. Another wasted hour for Missing Maura Murray.
I enjoy reading about, pondering and trying to solve a mystery as much as the next person does. But over the years, I've come to realize that even the most well-meaning, amateur online sleuths often end up doing far more harm than good. I understand that it is hard to know when the lines have been crossed. But I think that it is safe to say that when a family's private tragedy becomes a public pastime, is reduced to any kind of parlor game-type atmosphere, or worst of all, becomes just another gleeful lark, that this is a definite indication that things may have gone too far. I'm not accusing anyone at Missing Maura Murray of engaging in or promoting that kind of behavior (at least they haven't done anything like that as I type this). But I most certainly feel that they have given far too much of a voice to James Renner, one of the worst perpetrators of the kind of gross insensitivity that no family of a missing person or any other kind of victim should have to endure.
Curt Rowlett , yeah dudes kind of a butt wipe to say the least,
Much more eloquently put than what I was going to say which is Renner is full of it. He's an arrogant, oblivious ass who doesn't seem to understand how much credibility he DOESN'T have.
I'm sick of them giving a platform and the fact that they're making so many assumptions about reactions of the family they know nothing about.
Disclaimer: We are completely full of shit but we are going to broadcast it anyway. Pretty much sums up the entire podcast.
Is that why you listen?
You could also add this as a review for Renner's book.
@@EsotericOccultist it’s such a train wreck it’s kinda hard to look away. Only way I can explain it. Maybe OP feels the same? Also hoping against the odds that it will get better in the next episode and it just keeps getting worse.
I wonder if her family is in denial of abuse that they may have put Maura throughout her life?
TheZavlor I wonder also. Too many family secrets still undisclosed.
"She was a sociopath, of course she was."
I found your podcast really interesting in the beginning, but I can't handle comments like these. It is incredibly irresponsible of Mr. Renner to be diagnosing someone with a psychological issue, ESPECIALLY when that person in question is not a psychologist by profession. It's a shame because this case is so interesting, but I have zero interest in the constant speculative nature and mud-dragging of Maura and her family. I completely understand why her family wants nothing to do with these efforts.
+jennaynay I think it's fair based on her erratic behavior. Sociopaths are much more common than you think. You probably know one or two yourself.
It's disgusting, it's not enough to label her as such bcs of 'erratic' behaviour. There can be all sorts of reasons why someone may behave erratically. It's very irresponsible to put that theory out there, never mind the lack of respect towards her family & ultimately not very useful to the investigation.
atticusphone I wrote this 5 months ago, so i don't really remember my train of thought at the time. I will tell you this...the podcast gets REALLY bad. I bailed a few episodes ahead of where you are.
atticusphone I think they do as well, but wait, it gets worse.
Yeah, I think after this particular episode, I was done.
I find it very entertaining that James Renner is wanting to prosecute a guy and calling him a stalker when the guy shares a Facebook post that Renner himself posted. Earlier in the podcast Renner explained how he had tracked down a woman who clearly didn't want to speak to him and showed up at her door in the early evening and he thinks that is perfectly fine. Renner isn't there in any official capacity, he doesn't work for the police and hasn't been asked to help by anyone involved in the case. Fred Murray not wanting to talk to him is completely reasonable, Renner has inserted himself into this case as a way to self promote and profit from this girl's disappearance. I wouldn't talk to him either.
If I had a family member who was missing under dubious circumstances, I would speak with the devil himself if I thought it could bring exposure to the case. Just my opinion, but like Renner said in his book, never have the family of a missing person been so confrontational, and reluctant. It makes one wonder....
No one here has a uniform theory that they can commit to about what happened to Maura. Why is it so hard to believe that her family is split on theories as well? Isn't it plausible to believe that her brother Kurt thinks something differently than her father?
Excellent point!
Why would the Red Cross call from a prepaid phone card?
J L P L that explanation makes zero sense to me
Still harping on the rag in the tailpipe? I thought we'd established that was something people did to keep a car from smoking.
Is anyone else starting to suspect this vlog just consists of Renner doing three different voices?
Tony Baker maybe Renner has multiple personalities..
Now it all finally makes sense!!
Kkkkkkk
The video plays well enough, but Renner's ego is still buffing.
Regardless of what people say about James Renner. and giving up on his research simply because he called Maura a "sociopath," he makes a lot of valid points. If we're being honest, Maura was a good person, but she had problems. Stealing, drinking, etc. She had a "wild" side. It's a tragedy that she went missing and the case is still unsolved, but if you're going to try to solve a case as this, you have to put your personal feelings aside and go where the facts take you. If that fact ends up painting a somewhat bad picture of Maura or her family, oh well, deal with it. You have to go down rabbit holes. And truthfully, James Renner makes a lot of fantastic points, especially with the weird activity by Fred and her family and friends. You can blame it on grief and people acting different in some form or another when a tragedy happens, but that doesn't mean you accept that "blame" and move on. Everything is important in a case like this. Even the smallest details.
Renner is a fucking narcissistic idiot and I absolutely wouldn't talk to him either if I were in his family's shoes.
That's not a sociopath, tough....
Nerd Father TOTALLY AGREE.
So many people behave like Maura when they are young though. I didn’t. I had a very tranquil teenage/ early twenties, but lots of my friends didn’t. That doesn’t mean they were sociopaths or bad people. Most people live on and get the opportunity grow up,to sort themselves out-Maura didn’t 🙁
None of that makes here a sociopath though lol Renner is just trying to cash in on this story for his own benefit.
So one thing about the ATM withdrawals that makes no sense is that ATM's have a max withdrawal so they can bang people out on fees. You can run the card thru on the same ATM multiple times, usually at $3 a whack. The only thing that would limit your withdrawals would be a limit on the ATM card itself, which most people have. My card allows for max $800 ATM withdrawals per calendar day. Wouldn't matter how many ATM's I tried to use, the card wouldn't allow me to exceed $800 until the next day.
I've had instances where I needed 4 or 500 bucks but the convenient store ATM only allowed $200 withdrawals. So I'd take out $200, complete the transaction and then re-swipe the card. I honestly have no clue why someone would go thru this hassle of using so many different ATM's.
I love the podcast and looking forward to reading James Renners book. However, I think it's really not taking into consideration that the mother might not have had the emotional capacity to look for her daughter whether or not she had a physical capacity due to illness. I feel like that is a reach in regards to painting her as fully apathetic. It sounded like she didn't have an emotional capacity to be in charge of the house if Maura was running the household before she left. I hate when journalist try to start spinning how a family looks by picking on what is "normal". There is plenty evidence that her family was/is strange, but I so often see journalists picking on actions that are understandable to spin their story.
Just started listening to the podcast and had to come on RUclips to see if I’m crazy, but no, this Renner guy is so out of touch. Talk about looking for clues to confirm your suspicions.
There's something wrong with looking for clues to confirm your suspicions? How?
@@EsotericOccultist Confirmation bias gets in the way of finding answers. If you are looking to prove something that you've already decided, you will ignore and disregard contrary evidence.
God these James Renner episodes are nauseating and boring. Pretty much 50-minute long book and blog plugs.
WOW......I simply could not even go past like the first few comments when James Renner starts talking. It is truly sad to me how big his ego is...He really thinks someone with a different opinion or any sort of criticism towards him is a "troll" or people are "trolling" if they talk any negative way about him? He needs to get over himself first of all. You can just hear it in his voice every time he speaks pertaining to this case. Just in the first remarks he makes on this podcast. He just has this way about him that comes off as though he is the only one who has or is able to look into this case. I would think he probably started out like most of us trying to find answers and clues, but he is just way to obsessed. At least he admits it. I agree that this case can make you obsessed with all the theories and the unknowns and trying to find any missing pieces. But, when did he become feeling like he is entitled or the face and name for any answers to this case? With his book and now a documentary? I would imagine that he is well aware that Maura's family is hurt by things he has said (as they should be)and that if there was going to be a documentary about Maura, wouldn't you think that her family should be involved or approve of it? I remember first reading his blogs and interviews and thinking someone is really helping this case, then after years of it, I realized things were not only stated as fact. There was always this underlying opinion of his that has always been slid into everything he does. Sorry, I am just so frustrated that James Renner has this platform he has made, which would be great, if it was truly used only for finding the truth about Maura and not making money and fame on the case. And....that is just my opinion.
Linus Zims blah blah blah. What a looong post this is. You are full of envy.
@@MissesCakes Both Amy and Maura are in WP. Renner is psycho.
In mentioning the "whimper phone call", Renner states that the police knew within days that it wasn't Maura. Sharon Rausch says that the call was made from a prepaid calling card. Would the Red Cross really call a serviceman from a prepaid calling card AND not leave a message? Really? I don't know where that information comes from. Renner indicated that the investigating officer talked directly to this lady, but how do we know that? Is it in a report somewhere? I found it crazy how easily the two hosts accepted Renner's explanation for that.
+Paula Narva This comes directly from Lt. Scarinza. Sharon was wrong. It did not come from a calling card.
Love this series, keep them coming guys!
Nice to know from James Renner himself that those who disagree with his "theories" are just trolls to be dismissed. His complete lack of self-awareness is childish.
I'm enjoying the podcast when Renner is not your guest. He managed to be even more insufferable in this episode than in his last appearance, and he was awful last time. I'm 100% positive I won't be buying his book, which I hear he is the main character and Maura is just a secondary afterthought.
Droopy Dawg lmao, yeah hes kind of a prude
Droopy Dawg . 100 % agree with you .. Every time he is on here or any other show ,they lose credibility in my eyes .He is full of rubbish and is loving the attention. All he cares about is his bloody book and selling it .
He hates the Muray family because they wouldn't work with him ,same with anyone else who disagrees with him .
Amen to that. He's not qualified to label Maura as sociopath. Especially not when he himself is a narcissistic psychopath. His theories are way off, it's like he's just ignored most of the evidence. Shouldn't call himself a journalist when his narrative is 80% fiction. Dude is a total hinderence to truth.
Renner is a complete fraud. Unfortunately, these guys continue to give him a platform for some reason.
How did Fred buy the new Corrolla if his house was being foreclosed on?
Hello! I'm new to the podcast and I love it. I hope this can help find out what actually happened to Maura Murray. But I've been confused about something... How come we never hear about Maura Murrays mom? It's as if she does not exist! Can someone please explain?! Thank you!
RoseP I’ve wondered about her mother myself. Lots of family skeletons
@@MissesCakes Maura’s parents were divorced. Her mother died of cancer years ago.
Having been stalked and harassed, I'm really scared for James and his family. The authorities pay attention only after physical harm has occurred.
If Fred never accounted for that cash and was asked by police - that is weird. But it sounds like we don't know.
Good episode. One question. If there was a party with wall to wall people wouldn't one of those people have come forward by now? I know her friend "can't remember" who was there but, surely someone would remember being there.
+Cynthia Horn Sorry, didn't mean to vote up my own comment.
+Cynthia Horn I was thinking the same thing....my feeling is that Kate doesn't want to talk about the party because there was no party, and if she names even one person, they would be able to say, "there wasn't a party that night". No one has come forward in the years since to say, "I was at that party and Maura was there". I don't believe there was a party, just something that Kate wants no one to know about.
+Paula Narva do you have any ideas on what might have been going on? I realize it would be speculation but, what do you think they were doing that night?
+Cynthia Horn Thar's a good point. I'm open to the idea she might be alive, even though that's a long shot to me. But the idea that several people at that party knew about her plans to get away make this sound like a big conspiracy. How many people at the party knew she was going away? 2, 3, 4 Plus her immediate family? Those people might have told this getaway story to somebody else.
Why wont any of them talk? How does Maura have such a big hold on the people at the party? Is she blackmailing them or something? The idea that nobody at the party talks about this(11 years later), makes it more likely that they dont talk because there's nothing to say. They did not know what she wanted to do. Or at most she told them she was going away for a week and that was it.
I think she is dead unfortunately.
All accounts I have come across have been very consistent in noting that this was actually a small get-together between friends. This "Party" took place in the dorm room of Sara Alfieri, Maura's work associate at an art gallery on campus. Maura brought along her friend Kate, who was friends with Maura through athletics and track. I sincerely doubt that Kate knew many people at that get-together that night (in other words I believe Kate was just tagging along) While Maura and Kate left at the same time (around 2-230) Sara, the host of the party, had passed out hours earlier. Both Kate and Sara have talked to the media in the days after Maura went missing, so I am a little confused as to why they are being portrayed as these sinister characters.
Why is "what happened to the 4K" a mystery? Mr. Murray said he withdrew it because the plan was to buy Maura a "new" car, but they didn't end up finding one she liked. Presumably he just took the money home again. I don't see anything "mysterious" that he owes anyone an explanation about. Yeesh.
It's weird for someone with financial issues to withdraw that large sum of money in one night from multiple places, from Im assuming the same account.
Speaking for me personally, I've never used a bank or had an account where I am allowed to withdraw more than $1000 in a day regardless of number of ATMs.
And no one had heard that she wanted another car. I think it's a little weird TBH.
THAT said, It could very well just be Fred did not want to write a check.
But they did not go car shopping.
Tina Walton instead they went to “the hotel” room. ?????
It's strange because why withdraw cash? Why not go to a car dealership and write a check like normal people did back then?
Okay, so let me get this right, Renner is an investigative journalist but he didn't check this Vester Lee Flannagan account to see if it was a fake? There was activity on the account as recently as this week!
+Bianca Armendy To clarify, it is possible that Vester Lee Flanagan's account was hacked and is now being used by someone else. Or, it could have been a troll wanting us to believe he was Flanagan. The jury is still out on that. Either way, it's disturbing. The interesting thing about blogs and podcasts is they are part of a developing and changing narrative. The book, though, is designed to stand the test of time.
+JamesRenner Are you saying there is a possibility it the original post may have been from Flanagan?
+Bianca Armendy Only James Renner actually calls James Renner an investigative journalist. A much larger number of people refer to him as a total hack and tabloid journalist, myself among them. Do even a small amount of research on Renner and you will quickly learn that he often verbally attacks and purposely seeks to defame people, particularly those who resist his uninvited attempts to interject himself into their lives. It is the meddling from independent hacks such as Renner who generally end up causing more damage to cases than actually helping.
+Cynthia Horn Yes. It's possible it was hacked. We don't know yet.
+JamesRenner Well, it was originally posted a year ago and it's not a common name . I've never heard the name Vester before.
James Renner seems like he's only on this podcast to plug his book... I'm not saying that he's not dedicated to Maura's case or that he genuinely wants to find out what happened to her, but here... he seems like he's just trying to establish some promotion for his upcoming book and I really don't like that
You must have a privileged life if whining about an author promoting his book is on your list of things to complain about. Talk about first world problems geez lmfao
I do not think the family was involved at all. I feel very sorry for her father. He is grieving the loss of his daughter, along with having no closure to start healing.
I think maura was involved with the hit and run and was tortured with the belief she may have killed a man. I think she either committed suicide or succumbed to the outside elements.
I haven't read James' books yet- but I've 'read' he has ended up showing the negative aspects of victims and families' characters before. (Which btw- if these are facts- I understand. Any journalist writing well would not keep negative facts out if they are writing true crime.) But if true is it possible James' reputation could have influenced a fiercely private mans decision? Not wanting any dirty laundry aired about his daughter that 6 years later he had come to terms with never seeing her again? Just curious. That could explain his adamant attitude. As opposed to it being about he had something to hide.
I haven't read anything he's done particularly because I understand that it's not always truth. I have a problem with that because he not only Slanders Maura Murray's name is Landers the family's name and a lot of it from my understanding as I mentioned is not fact. You don't know what fact is from there once someone is called out on something like that. And when I look at comments I see that tons of people have called him out numerous times over the years which I did not know that... Personally I would not waste my money reading anything of his or spend the money to provide him his income on this seemingly cash cow for him
this is my first podcast and im 34 years old! Great show. I always had an interest in true crime etc. ☺
Is anyone who questions James Renner's approach, motives, or reporting a "troll"? He's truly very accomplished, and yet it seems he hasn't learned he'll attract more bees - as well as (credible) sources, (relevant) scoops, and (loyal) readers - with honey than vinegar. He calls the cops "above suspicion" but hurls abuse at Maura's loved ones. Odd battles to pick for a veteran journalist. And odd for a journalist to take a starring role in a story - i.e., the Maura Murray case vs. The James Renner Show.
+Madam Spencer If she hit that guy in the car and the phone call was about that, I could see the boyfriend withholding that information. At this point, though? She's more than likely dead (probably died that first night); I guess nobody wants to come forward now because it would make them look terrible.
+Madam Spencer possibly but I thought I always read that there were no footprints?
+Madam Spencer I am not familiar with this area but based on what I've heard, it would have been heavily snow covered, no?
Madam Spencer exactly.
+Madam Spencer I agree with your theory, I've thought the same thing.
First off...great show...loving getting steeped in this fascinating case. My comment has nothing to do with the case, however, but to the image on screen, the silhouette of the person in the center...which I've been staring at for a while. You can see it as a person standing still and looking away, into the distance, or as someone running towards the "camera". Was this intentional?...because,if so, it really is a brilliant way to emphasize the confusion that arises when studying this case. I'm a graphic designer, so it just popped out at me...anywhooo...great job on the show, very level headed and rational, which is what this case needs if it is ever going to be solved.
Well she was a runner so they might of just did that maybe to emphasize that she may have ran away or that she just was involved in track of something. I dont think obviously it has anything to do with the case
I know thos is an old episode but i threw up when i heard the book plugged by the host. I have to see if there is any proof of james interviewing anybody.
Can you be anymore of a snowflake?
@@EsotericOccultist Whatever that plug did opposite of its intention. Got any other 20-teens lingo you want to throw at me? You amazing name comer upper wither
Can you verify that Maura and Kate even went to a party the night before? Maybe they were scheming Maura’s get-away and there was no party!
Tim, Lance ,Cloey great work crawl space and the Vermont/N.H vanished teens AWAERNES peace n love from Los Angeles
I don't know. Maybe this matters.... But there's a lot of time spent on these players who probably aren't players at all. I get the issue... That we don't know for sure.... But I think they're in it for the attention and we are losing sight of the big picture, that MAURA IS MISSING.
The spidering of the windshield her father says is caused by her head striking the windshield is likely just from air bag deployment
Maura's Mum was in plaster after breaking a bone in the foot but came later to look
the devil is in the details.
Of course Renner is playing all of you like violin! Everyone complaining about him are only giving him more attention and sending more people to his blog. If what he says truly bothers you this much then ignore him and stop making his platform grow bigger & bigger & bigger. Pretty simple folks.
Watchdog give him attention. Buy his book. He is smart and brilliant. Right on!
These were college kids for goodness sake. I imagine her "faulty memory" could be due to popping pills. Something like xanax will definitely make it impossible to remember things. If her schooling, or future career could be compromised by saying, "hey, I was taking xanax that night so, I can't remember", then she's not going to say that.
Even heavy drinking could cause a "black out".
I mean, lots of people do stupid shit in college and expect it to remain in college and not follow them into adulthood/their job etc. UMASS is a wellknown party school like millions of others. While I do think Kate knows a lot more than she will ever reveal, I do not think she knows 100% what happened.
I do think it's a possibility Bill has intimidated Maura's friends.
If this Conrad guy is serious about the police truly believing that she is buried under a house then why haven't there been steps taken to find out if the body is at least there? I understand that they can't just go tearing through house without reasonable evidence to show that she's buried there however they can bring ground-penetrating radar or whatever it is they have to at least do some sort of preliminary testing to see if it's possible. They even have ways of being able to pull out a small sample from soil and ground even under a house to see if it would contain certain deposits of whatever minerals or whatever the hell they look for to see if there is a body decomposing nearby in the ground.
sgt fluffy Yea even a cadaver dog or something ?
Speculation is that if it is RS that Conrad is referring to (in all fairness Conrad could just be getting back at LE after being fired) then RS has family connections to the state attorneys office and this could be being covered up. RS’s family has a concrete form company in proximity to the disappearance. It could also be referring to CM and the concrete pad poured at the aframe...or RF and the fact that construction of his house was going on during the disappearance. There are so many rabbit holes. I have done a lot of armchair detective research and get more confused every day. I give credit to all those that have vested serious time and effort into the case, it could really drive you insane.
what about the supermarket sighting in Woodsville? how come this is never pursued?
I think Forcier needs a deeper look. If the ignored supermarket sighting is untrue, I'd put him as a good suspect based on opportunity and his actions afterwards (yes it is suspicious not to allow a search and suddenly remembering a running girl a month later, which conveniently provided an alibi).
+John McGrath I agree very much with this. I think it is very suspicious that several months after Maura disappeared, he interjected himself into the case. This is quite a common action (or tactic) undertaken by offenders in homicide cases. If you do some reading or googling on the subject, you'll see it is a characteristic that is often noted by crime experts.
Not sure by voice , you mentioned that you had a theory, and mentioned that you didn't think she was murdered and kidnapped?
Another great episode, guys! The family apathy continues to boggle my mind. Could be as simple as protecting her image, but if I had a kid that committed minor credit card fraud or whatever, people knowing about that wouldn't prevent me from doing all I could to find her. But I also wouldn't look too much into those songs lyrics. I don't think it necessarily means they knew she was running away to starting over a new life. If anything, I think her brother is just referencing her leaving school to deal with whatever issues she had instead of turning to family and friends.
It kills me - many of the details, the $4,000 for example, could have such a simple explanation and we can move on already. If you guys could get a family member on, it would be a big break. Good luck!
+kbmast1 Yes, I certainly get that. As someone very interested in this case, I appreciate James' efforts, but I also think the psychopath comments, for example, are a bit much. So I get why the family isn't crazy about him, but at the same time, like you said, there's just something missing about them. If these assumptions about Maura are so off base, why aren't they out there presenting the correct information and laying everything they know on the table? Again, if it were my kid, I would want the public to know everything - the truth - to help find her.
Lauren Williams h
I just Maura is found safe and sound, or if she is dead, then let the family grieve for the daughter and sister that they lost x
Lauren Williams family secrets a huge missing piece to puzzle.
Take in information and evaluate what is said. No need to get upset. Hes not going to change anything.
I wonder if that girl seen in the carcrashsite was Maura? Earlier it was told the busdriver first said she wasn't Maura but later he changed his mind. I understood Kate also went missing for a day or two maybe it was Kate in the car and not Maura? Maybe Maura got killed durin that party and that's why none want to talk about the party. But then again why Fred Murray told he met Maura in the following morning unless he was present in that party too and somehow got involved in Maura's death..? But if Maura Murrey still is alive why would she be living either in USA or Canada when there are tens of other countries to live in? Lol! Much more safe for her to hide in Europe, Asia or Australia maybe,
For a moment, I was intrigued with maybe it was her friend AT the crash scene but the expansion on the theory seems far fetched and it lost me. Now I'm a realist. I know far fetched things DO occur so who am I to say..... I just don't know.
That scenario is pretty farfetched, but even if true, Maura would still be missing.
Maybe she was driving to meet somebody to look at a car
How can I watch the documentary in the uk?
I have no idea why people are so ass-mad about this Renner guy. I am always unbelievably impressed by journalists and investigators that commit all this time and resources to doing this amount of leg work. I truly don't care if he is plugging his book or making inflammatory comments. The effort he put in to tracking down the college roommates and being able to explain how uncooperative they were seems significant.
I'm not saying it is impossible but in most tragic murders, kidnappings and disappearances, it is unlikely that the close family and friends of the victim won't make some effort to inform the public. People practically bankrupt themselves trying to get media and public attention to help find a loved one. In this case, the closest people in Maura's orbit seem to be putting a suspicious amount of effort to avoid getting free media attention to help find Maura.
Again, it's not impossible but showing a hostile refusal to cooperate with people who want to solve this case seems weird.
Totally agree.
My theory is , Maura was involved in the hit and run. That explains everything. the family’s aversion of looking at the events leading to her trip to NH. Fred knew she was going there, to hide or dispose of the car. from the police in Amherst looking into the hit and run.
Does anybody else picture Tobias Funke when James Renner is talking?
tfulk36 no. No one else.
God it's hard for me to listen to Renner, the dude is just whining about Alden Olson 🙄
If Mr Renner truly believes that Maura set up this disappearance to get away from her family why doesn’t he just leave it alone? Leave her alone? She didn’t ask him. Sounds like he found a vehicle to make some money.