Did he just say that he could push the Pocket 6k's footage even further than the Alexa in some cases? And that film industry politics plays a hand against productions choosing the Pocket 6k over other "acceptable" cameras? That's pretty important info that I wish more people would hear, especially a lot of youtube people who have a bias against Blackmagic Pocket cameras
I am so bias! and my two systems are Blackmagic and Sony for the past 3 years, image quality vs convenience that is the dilema sony vs BM. I will choose BM as much as possible, unless my A7sii is a better low light choice or Autofocus is a must.
I think that actually the A7III is more of direct competitor - also in terms of price. What would be any benefit of the FX3 over a A7III? I am still at the beginning of film making and looking into an upgrade for my Sony a6300. What would be your recommendation if autofocus is a must have?
You should look at the Panasonic S1H instead of either of those... Externally, now it can record both Prores RAW and BRAW depending on your recorder. And the image is fantastic
"ultimately as a compitent cinematographer, whatever happens between your framelines is infinately more important than the brand of camera we're using to create it" - Very well said sir
@@janssenbalneg3752 Not even that!/ The color separation at 2:17 is , to put it mildly, awful. That's a regular H264 export urged to post the video quickly. 🤣
Was DPing a serious project recently with the arri mini and P6k Pro, after about 5mins of filming we decided to use the P6K Pro as the A cam, and the Arri mini as the B cam. For this project the P6K was so good and fast to work with. When i started grading the images from both camera in davinci, it got to a point the P6k looked so good, i was now trying to match the Arri to the P6k. Not saying the P6K image is better than the Arri, but the image is so good (in some case hard to tell the difference).
100% agreed! It’s a crazy time to be a filmmaker that’s for sure. And I know what you mean about the 6k color. The blues and greens in particular seem to hit in a really beautiful and interesting way!
@@reviewgodusa9613 If your lighting is good, with nice lens, colour grading etc then most won't be able to tell difference. "Act of valor" was shot on a canon 5D2 and most didn't know
I don't think it's fair to say that the FX3 autofocus is un-usable because of sound when using Sigma glass and and adapter... Of course adapters sucks. I have the FX3 with both Sony GM glass and Sigma ART E-mount and it's works perfectly and 100% silent.. I also have a good NTG shotgun mic mounted on the provided handle and really no problem whatsoever ... I'm not saying the FX3 is perfect, far from it.. but your video sounded a bit too much as a sale pitch for the BM.. But then again, I'm speaking from a run and gun documentary shooter, not shooting commercials in controlled environments and everyone has his own priorities when it comes to choose a camera. Only 1 year ago, if you would have told me I would buy Sony, I wouldn't have believed you.. but hey.. things changes.. color science have improved so much, even their menu (I actually love the button lock system.. :) ) I love consistency across all formats (10bit / no crop (or very small one) across all the line.. and finally, as you said yourself.. that body / form factor.. is just gorgeous.
Totally! That’s good to know about the G glass and NTG combo. Again I had a feeling it was just the sigmas and my Schoeps mic paired together. I wasn’t trying to tear apart the FX3- I just enjoyed the all-in-one experience of the BMPCC overall a bit better. They’re both incredible cameras!
This turned out to be easily one of the best review videos I´ve ever seen. Not just stat padding or spitting abstract facts, but with actual footage and examples from said camera. I already own a Bmpcc 4k and I don´t think it´s time to upgrade yet. That´s the only reason I´m not buying one after seeing this video.
heckyeah! Glad you like the video. People can talk specs all day long, but until you actually get it in your hands, it's hard to tell which cam works best for your style.
My two cents as an award winning cinematographer who has shot films, tv series, short films, commercials and documentaries with Arri, Sony, Blackmagic, Red etc, I’m going to have to say that FX3 is actually way better than the 6K pro. Just arrived from Qatar, where I shot a low budget, run and gun documentary about the World Cup using an FX3, the A7S3 and the 6K pro. Leaving the infamous 7S3 out of the question, the most reliable camera was the FX3 by a lot. Yes, the BM shot gorgeous images. On location It made me excited about the image I was getting, even though the batteries run out ridiculously fast, and if you don’t have a sophisticated rig it is a pain to handle and operate. Oh and the micro jitters. It’s so shaky it’s insane. And if you want decent shallow depth of field you need pretty fast lenses. Also, images look pretty bad during night shoots. To my surprise, making the 6K pro takes work in post was a pain (had to stabilize and remove noise) and that’s something nobody tells you. The FX3 doesn’t give you the exciting (daylight) image quality as the 6K pro, but it’s full frame sensor gives you awesome shallow dof which makes it look cinematic from the moment you press REC. it has pretty good autofocus (even when using a Sony 24-70mm f4), great dynamic range, it can shoot during nighttime with ease, batteries last a lot, decent audio quality (nothing spectacular) and best of all, a decent image stabilization. Also, it’s compact and doesn’t look like a pro camera that everyone will be weirded about (like it happened with the 6K Pro) If you want to make the 6K pro work the way you intend, you will need a ton of other stuff to make that happen, and if you end up doing that you might as well rent or use an Alexa Mini. The 6K pro is not a run and gun camera at all. The FX3 is. You make the mistake of using the 6K pro as a run and gun camera and you will be ruined and end up with shaky, out of focus shots. No the Gyro thing doesn’t solve the shaky issue, it looks horrible if you don’t shoot to use gyro stabilizer, which beats the purpose of using it on available light situations. Also, after some tests, the LUTs i prefer respond better on the Sony than on the BM but that’s just my preference. My conclusion: the BM offers the very best image quality, contrast and colors of any camera around $4000 below. No question about it. But it’s a pain to make the image actually usable. The FX3 gives you 70 percent of the image pop of the 6K pro, but it’s a beauty to handle. And the menus are pretty great if you get involved into customizing. No one should complain about Sony menus not being great right after unboxing but claim the 6K is great from the beginning as well because that’s not true. You will need a decent gimbal, or a tripod, lights (in some circumstances) and pretty good lenses. Good luck putting your tripod on a crowded place. Honestly, people who are interested in these videos are because they want to get a run and gun camera. Otherwise they would be looking at Alexa or Komodo. I love the image of the 6K pro like I love looking at a Lamborghini that has worn, thin tires. Just remember, that car is gonna crash and burn at the worst moment. For low budget, every -moment-counts camera, Fx3 all the way. Awesome video. Congratulations 🙏🏻
The most thorough response! Thanks for this. Since making this video I actually rebought the FX3, spent loads of time with it and take back basically every negative thing i said about it in this video lol. I rarely shoot on my Alexi Mini anymore for basic stuff and prefer the FX3 strictly for run and gun convenience. Even shot a low budget narrative piece on the FX3 recently. Aaaaand the 6K Pro is currently sitting on a shelf 🫠
The most thorough response! Thanks for this. Since making this video I actually rebought the FX3, spent loads of time with it and take back basically every negative thing i said about it in this video lol. I rarely shoot on my Alexa Mini anymore for basic stuff and prefer the FX3 strictly for run and gun convenience. Even shot a low budget narrative piece on the FX3 recently. Aaaaand the 6K Pro is currently sitting on a shelf 🫠
@@coreyrobn thank you for your kind reply. You’re obviously a hard working and talented film maker so it’s only natural that you organically figured it out. No shame on having a camera on a shelf, (it’s two of us now with the 6K pro lol). Casually, I’ve also shot three short films with the FX3 and really the only thing that I feel lacking is it’s very digital looking color science. Even the Panasonic now has (to me) more flattering skin tones 😔, but i learned that exporting a lut to the FX3, forgetting the 1.7 over exposing bs and just expose the image by eye (or even underexposing a bit) and then rising the blacks a bit in post and adding a tiny amount of film grain, you end up with a very special image that will make anyone proud. Keep up the great work, Corey. I’m looking forward to see your next achievements (new subscriber of yours here) and hope you, and all of us kick butts this 2023.
Wow, a professional DP in RUclips comments who’s not just well informed, but actually level headed and kind?! This was a great write up and more DPs should have an attitude like yours!
@@IJohnSmith thank you for your kind comment. I mean some of us just have run the track for longer, that’s all it is and nothing else, you will all get there if you’re committed, I can assure you that. And the only value my career has is to aid others on their way to success, whether it’s fellow DPs like all of you, Directors, Producers and filmmakers in general. In short, my mistakes and success should be beneficial for all. Specially when a camera purchase these days it’s almost a luxury. Keep it up, John.
Damn near perfect cameras for us. We use to use a lot of Sonys more recently for our professional work but once we got our hands on our first couple Blackmagic's, that it. We're now die hard Blackmagic fan boys, have sold all our other cameras and exclusively shoot with a fleet of Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K Pro's. Love'em.
That what I like to hear! I feel bad that I ripped on them for so long. It’s the only camera other than Arris that I’ve ever heard real Hollywood producers ask for. After using them- totally understand why.
Great work! It’s crazy. I use 2 FX3’s almost everyday with a 55 1.8, Sig 24-70, and a Sony G 70-200 with the Autofocus and I’ve never heard it sound like this video.
DSLR lenses tend to have noise because the focus mechanism is physically coupled to the ring. So it takes more power to drive the autofocus especially for fast moving subjects, and since those are stills lenses, speed/power was prioritized over noise. Mirrorless lenses have the AF mechanism completely isolated from the focus ring hence faster, silent AF, but the drawback is all mirrorless lenses are focus by wire.
There is NO quality on this review as he didn’t even bother to learn how to use a camera that he is putting down. If yo`u want to learn about an FX3 listen to people who actually use the camera and not from someone who a second after throng it off had already made his mind up. Worst review ever.
completely agreed with everything expressed here. Still not a fan of BM, but will give them another shot. Also use Alexa Mini as main camera, Zcam F6 was b cam, now using fx3 and paired with a ninja V its pretty decent combination.
Totally agree with this video. I own an Ursa Mini Pro 4.6k and Pocket 4k and LOVE them. I recently purchased an FX9 solely because alot of corporate clients are asking for it. The FX9 has fantastic colors, great variable ND, amazing auto focus and awesome visuals BUT the menu's are overly complicated. It is not a run and gun camera AT ALL. You have to create several different user profiles to pull from in the field to make quick changes.
My first cinema camera is the 6k pro, like you i was also considering the Fx3. Future plan is to go for a high end camera , and the 6k pro is gonna be the B camera. I must say the moment i switched it on, i could use the whole menu without reading any manual, everything was there and easily accessible. This is really important. The whole blackmagic package is really impressive too, since u get the da vinci studio for free, a pro level editing software, which handles the 6k raw footage easily exactly like you mentioned. Of course if you rig the camera it becomes a cinema beast, but the fact you can have it only with its battery grip and a lens, makes it a great camera for filming even on holidays. Thanks for the nice wrap up. I wonder if RED cameras are the next big thing, or someone has to really go for ARRI for that high end result.
this man talking is EXACTLY the quality that shotgun microphones have in hollywood films... it’s sounds exactly like a big production, not like the most filmmakers here in RUclips who have shotguns mic! seriously, impeccable.
dude. after many many hours over weeks of watching videos on this topic. i think you’ve finally helped me make a solid choice. am I.. changing my mind on Sony?? branding is powerful isn’t it. thanks for helping me to understand. subscribing for this and for the sake of diapers!!! god speed man 🤝
of course it has auto focus noise using adapter ef lens. It can actually still doing great auto focus using sigma ef lens in the first place is already amazing feature. It is a plus for fx3. next tine please use native lens when doing review.
Totally! It’s an amazing feature. One I really wish the BMPCC had. I’ve already invested in loads of EF and PL glass so it made more sense personally to stick with the EF 6k pro. My buddy has some native E glass though. Going to test it with him soon :)
@@coreyrobn really can’t wait man. I’m curious how you managed to work with the sigma 18-35 considering it’s an APS-C lens and the FX3’s sensor should be FF
I love how you talk about all the internal politics in film xD it's so true. "image" is almost more important than camera image in that world, a big camera looks more impressive to a client
Thanks brother! Appreciate it. And yeah its a topic that a lot of "filmmakers" turn a blind eye to. Back in my DSLR days I bought the biggest matte box I could find and slapped in the front. I can't tell you how many times clients would walk up and say "Dang that thing looks expensive!" Perception = Reality.
you gave me a good idea. im going to build a massive hollow rig made out of 3D printed parts and greebles with blinking LEDS. I can show up to the set with a phone camera buried inside and look like a champ!! ha ha
Excellent video Wooley. After finally getting my hands on the Sony for a significant period I can say I fully agree with you here. The Sony definitely has many uses for which I would grab it instead but I too do prefer the 6k. Either they are both just tools that can get fantastic results.
This was the best tutorial I've seen in comparison. I have two BMPCC 6K (not the Pro) and I was bomb out about DCI 4K not on it. However the last update was a game changer. Wooley if you could please do a tutorial on the BMPCC 6k Pro, be cause most film makers use it as a run and gun camera. That's not this camera, I had and oldy but goody RED Scralet-X 4K, sold it and purchase two bmppc 6k. My final thought is Blackmagic Design makes cinema cameras, and It's main purpose is cinematic production. Thanks NBF Film Production...
I’m glad RUclips recommended this to me. An honest and self aware review from a knowledgeable perspective of an industry professional. Don’t get a lot of those in the public sphere, and always glad when I stumble on one Most of all, I appreciate the honest criticisms, particularly for the FX3 as the Sony ecosystem is what I’m currently tied to and upgrading my 5 year old A6300 to a Sony FF that’s good for both photo and video is most financially sound for me. Which is why I haven’t decided to jump over to more affordable cinema oriented camera like the BMPCCs. I know I should probably differentiate the photo and video gear at some point but I’m just a couple of years into doing semi-pro to pro work and camera’s not my main role when doing pro gigs. Although I’d like to be self reliant hence why I’m investing in gears that can be relatively flexible. And the fact that my gig types varies from events, commercials, to short film and recently features Current plan is to get the A7SIII for the relatively codec upgrade from my a6300 and pair it with an external recorder for RAW/RAW-like codec later. But my current priority is getting my own lighting kits, fixtures and modifier Sorry for the rant, but yeah, keen to hear more honest reviews from an industry practitioner ✌️
What criticism? He didn’t learn to use the camera and is putting down something that he made up his mind a second after turning it off. How can you consider that a real review? It is not.
Man, Sony isn't the holy grial of cameras, and don't always come with an affordable price. Look for the camera that fits your needs and allows you to squeeze until the last drop of the capabilites and features brought across. Some times isn't really worth it to get an expensive camera if you can't use it at full capabilities. Think about what are you doing now, which kind of content and for which platform you're producing, you don't need and Arri for Instagram videos, if you know what i mean. One last quid for free, mind the editing time that take for your editing platform to load, color grade, render and export the footage, is it worth to shot raw footage? Get a Sony or a Lumix if you still want to get some pitures out of it.
Got here through Spencer Sakurai. Nice video! I just rented the 6K Pro for a project and I was very happy with the results. I figured I’d have to spend a lot more to get the quality I got, and the work flow was so much nicer than fighting with the C-Log from my canon mirrorless. I might not buy one any time soon, but I’ll definitely rent one for projects going forward. As a total newcomer to the black magic, there was ZERO fussing. Everything is clearly written and laid out on the cam and in the menus, and again, that image! As a sound guy though, what kind of mic would you recommend plugging straight into it for interviews? I’ve been using the hotshoe rode mics for years boomed over the speaker but if I’m renting the BMPCC I’d like to go better with the mics if possible. Thanks again!
Totally agreed! a treat using the 6K Pro. As far as mics go, that's a very loaded question. Though its kind of the same answer as cameras: there's no one-mic-does-all solution unfortunately. For interviews, I use the Schoeps miniCMIT if the room/ space sounds good naturally. It's a very transparent mic and picks up reverberation in a beautiful way. You probably know this but the closer the mic to the source, the better its going to sound. And the "source" is actually the top of the chest/ bottom of the neck. That's where the really good resonance on people is. Not the mouth.
@@coreyrobn Thanks for getting back to me. Google that mic and though I'm sure it's excellent, it's WELL above my budget. So perhaps it'll stay an aspiration :)
Awesome camera seems to be! I was wondering if you had some feedback about battery life? (heard it was quite of a draw back) and what mic did you use for your voice over? Sounds so warm! Thanks in advance!
This is the comparison I've been wanting the all time. You delivered it! Thanks a lot! This makes me wanna get a 6k pro even more. Really liked your channel, you got one diaper money from me. subbed.
I like Black magic design. By the way, You did a great job for me by making this comparison video. I am a sony lover & user but I think if someday i need to buy a B-cam I will definitely try This little beast Pcket 6k Pro
Epic review! Wealth of useful knowledge here and hope you'll continue making vids for youtube man. I'm wondering if I could pick your brain/get some second thoughts! I'm headed off to Europe for a few months this year and wanting to do some shooting and a few personal projects. My A cam is a red Gemini, B cam is a BM Ursa mini. Don't want to take either of those as I'd like something that's obviously smaller and lighter, nice image and that I can just chuck in a backpack with a lens and a small travel tripod. Hesitating between the pcoket 6k and the Fx3. Fx3 batteries seem really small and solid. Review obviously got me unsure on the fx3 but then reading in the comments it seems you love both but have grown to really enjoy the fx3. Would you say it's a good bet and nice, smaller foot print compared to travelling with a 6k/6k pro? Any help/ thoughts would be epic! Cheers
Super late reply- the FX3 is incredible for exactly that. Super small and easy to take anywhere. My lens choice admittedly sucked when I made this vid. Just get some Sony glass and it makes it amazing. I still prefer the 6K color science and the big screen on the 6K but for transportability and ease of AF the FX3 has my heart for run and gun stuff. Also batteries slap. 6K pro batts are so trash so bring a bunch lol
Nice review, lots of good thoughts. Im currently really torn apart which way should i go. I own a pocket 4k and a7siii and honestly, they both work for me in their own ways. I use a7siii a lot on smaller social media projects that need quick setup and delivery. But I am tired of external ND filters on the Pocket 4k so im currently between 6k pro or fx6. I really really really like the BM footage, colors, files and menu system. But on the same time it would make things easier to stay in one ecosystem for 2 camera interviews etc (fx6 and a7siii would match perfectly fine in post). I'm not a fan of Pocket form factor, for me it needs a rear v-mount plate so i can support it against my chest while handheld shooting, which makes the rig quite big and heavy. Fx6 pretty much has usable form factor right out of the box.
@@thegagankhaira neither yet. I'll just keep renting them depending on project until i decide. I did rent fx6 recently for interview project and i had mixed feelings. Love the form factor, love that footage matches perfectly with a7siii, really love the variable nd. I like that its usable right out of the box(my bmpcc needs lot of rigging) But pretty much hated everything else. Menus and settings are quite cumbersome to use compared to bmpcc4k and a7siii. There is no long gop 10bit 4k option like a7siii does. Bmpcc has lots of compression options. Its good to have them for long interviews. No stereo 3.5mm input (i use rode wireless go 2 for quick projects and it would be nice to have separate L and R. Xlr ports are mono)
@@Siimkristjanpariis I feel your pain. They both have their ups and downs. I’m still super torn on wether or not to get something with autofocus. Kinda actually leaning towards something like an R6.
I bought the FX3 and the Sony G Master 50mm F1.2 and I can say that the autofocus is almost completely silent. Haven't used the audio handle yet actually, will try that now.
Damn great video! Im getting a babygirls myself and am on the market for a camera to record her first years with. Im an editor though so no DP but very much switching between FX30 and 6K Pro in my head. Was leaning towards fx30 but that was before seeing this video. Help me decide; what would you pick to film you firstborn with?
I’ve actually since changed my tune a bit. I ended up rebuying the FX3 and it’s been perfect for what I’ve needed lately. Still have and shoot on the 6K Pro but dang the FX3 is nice when you dial it in.
Fx3 is my second Sony. I have an Rx0ii as a crash /underwater cam. Always had a tech crush from afar on Sony just hated the menus. I went to a BestBuy a few years ago and picked one up and immediately put it down after trying to go through the menus. I was on Fuji at the time (which is dead simple and very similar to film). My background for video / photo systems is: Canon > Nikon > Fuji X > Sony > ZCam > Arri > Sony > BMPCC Fuji (photo) and ARRI/ BMPCC (video) are the only cams I’ve kept so far.
Ever shot on an ARRI? Their engineers have already done the hard work for you to find the very best curve for their sensor. There’s one color profile and it’s perfect.
I have the same issue with my Sigma 24 DG 1.4. The auto-focus is to loud. I also have a 85mm Sony 1.8 and a 70-300 Tamron and that doesn't happen (I use it with my Sony A7iv). But I don't remember having this problem when I had it on my Canon 80D. I don't know.
People nowadays compare the Komodo with Arri but actually the best partner for a Arri is the 6k pro or the Ursa 12k, BM should work better on the form factor tho
Great Review ! Congratulation for your child! :) Being a Pocket 6k owner who bought it just 2 months back I am still tempted to get the 6k Pro for the IRND Filters, Tilting 1500 nits screen and better battery life. Only thing beholding me right now is that image quality of both the cameras is same. Unless I want to keep both where one acts as a B cam.
Thanks brother! Man the ND’s are suuuuper handy. If your other one is already rigged out there’s prolly no reason to get the pro. I just wanted to go handheld a lot without building a rig and the pro works perfect for that!
@@coreyrobn True! I rigged out my other one that's the main reason I am unable to invest on the pro version as the visual quality we get out of both is the same that too with same gen5 color science. Instead I am thinking of investing in a good cinema lens and/or Blackmagic Design's Color Grading Micro Panel. But this pandemic has really effected the work so much that investing more on gear seems to be a bad idea. But thanks for your quick response brother! :) May everyone in your family stay safe and healthy. Keep creating good content! Cheers!
What's cool about b raw in DaVinci Resolve you can easily use a color space transform and go from b raw to arri log c and you'll be able to grade your Blackmagic footage just like Arri Alexa footage and they will match up perfectly
for your handheld BMPCC shots, how shaky are the raw footage? Do you need to use a lot of stabilization in post? Or you just have steady hands? Or did you have a shoulder mount?
All that stuff was handheld then stabilized in Davinci. The sigma 24-70 also has stabilization built in which is pretty baller. Although-Davinci's stabilizer gets confused sometimes if you use the stabilization on the lens. In my experience, usually it looks best if all lens stabilization is off and you just stabilize in post.
Similar experience with a Canon R6. Amazing specs, great stills camera but a raging hot mess when it came to the moving image. These big brands doing hybrids need to start again, especially with the user interface. With the action happening right in front of you, digging into menus, fighting with autofocus, working around stabilisation gotchas, the camera working in illogical ways - it destroyed more footage than it captured and nearly sunk me as a creative. I use the BM 6k as my everyday carry and its freaking awesome. Even poorly shot takes are lovely to look at. Its energising. I feel confident filming strangers in the street with this machine. The screen, the controls, the footage and the workflow. All in a device that looks like a chunky DSLR that no one gives a rats about when you pull it out of your bag.
How strange it is that some tiny little company from Australia has had such a massive impact upon the masters of cinematography. I can spend an hour browsing their website and be amazed to see how much kit they offer to us. Unlike Arrie or Red or any other camera maker their grasp of imagery is profound. If you want to create an enterprise then only Blackmagic Design and Devinci Resolve and Fairlight Audio can make that real.
It’s so wild how good that ecosystem is. Was just talking with a buddy last night about BM. If people are familiar with post, they can manipulate the image in incredible ways. Some of the best footage I’ve ever seen has come out of those cams.
Never had a problem with overheating. I had a faulty one with a broken screen at one point and that one had all sorts of problems with overheating… melting? It was weird. New one has been great tho
Heckyeah dude!! Curious to know which one you end up using more often or for which task? My first Arri was the older Classic. It’s finally starting to get in that reasonable price point.
I loved the editing and the look of your video. But you kinda killed it for me when you said you were using Sony with a lens adapter. That's like saying you were test driving a Ferrari, but since you had no Pirelli or Goodyears, you used bike wheels and didn't like the acceleration of the car. Yes, Sony's menu's suck. They feel like they were made by engineers instead of end users. You can improve them by setting up a quick menu, but compared to the BMPCC's touch menu, scrubbing options, and more, they look horrible. I agree. But one of the best features of the Sony is the autofocus. I use eye AF 99% of the time and it works 100% of the time. You have to use lenses made for the camera from Sigma and Sony. There will be no focus noises, no soft focus, no other issues you listed. This is why I prefer Sony over the BMPCC. Having the autofocus taken care of lets me focus (pun!) on the actual composition of the shot, the angle, etc. And the new Cinetone color science is amazing straight out of camera.
I know, I know.... That was a silly thing to say in hindsight. Just didn't want to go buy a bunch of E Glass- and that's not Sony's fault. I love the comparison tho hahah!
I enjoyed this vid. It did sound a tad bias when the focus noise was mentioned. Didn't have native lenses for a cam you were shooting down a bit. The noise is from the MC-11 and there is no auto focus noise on the native lenses. The green tint came from the sigma glass, that was the reason I sold all my Sigmas and went straight native. Also Sony has the most accurate colors so there will be a bit of green in comparison to other cams. Even though it is the most accurate, it is not the most pleasing looking image. That is where having the Picture Profiles really make the Sony come alive. I don't own the FX3, but I do have the A7SIII and the A7III and pretty much know my way around them for the most part. This vid was definitely informative to hear from an experienced Cinematographer and what your feelings and first impressions were on these two cams. Subb'd!
Great simple review @wooley, it compelled me to subscribe.👌🏼 I have watched a tonne of different reviews and Vs on the P6K Pro, but you've almost sold me. I currently run a GH5s and am still considering getting the EVA-1 as an A cam to it. But I have also been considering a total shift to a couple of the P6K Pro's and also making the switch to Reslove from FCPX. I don't care about autofocus. Those BM batteries though!!!
I would like to see this revisited. The FX3 got a lot of improvements through its latest firmware updates that solve many of the problems mentioned. I work with Pocket 4Ks at my Day Job a lot. What I hate most about them is a) not having any usable auto focus and b) it makes you use the touchscreen for pretty much everything. It just doesn’t have enough physical controls and the menu system is incredibly confusing and indescriptive. It took me 15 minutes to figure out how to format a memory card the first time I picked it up.
Totally! Actually shooting a short this week with the Venice as A Cam and FX3 on Ronin as B cam. I’ve totally changed my tune in the last year especially after that Cine EI update. Loving the FX3 so much and were getting them to match on set almost perfectly
@@coreyrobn hmmm so I'm on the fence, deciding between getting a 6k pro or an fx3 as a first actual cinema camera now that I'm getting serious about the quality of my footage, would you say that you recommend the fx3 over the 6k now? I really like the fx3's small size and that it's full frame, but I feel like the 6k pro screen is a good edge and BRAW seems to be pretty amazing. Any new thoughts on these two? I seem to be pulled back and forth on my decision haha
@@ZiroWatt Depends on your use. In a controlled environment with a dedicated focus puller, the 6K Pro makes sense. For a run and gun solo shooter, the FX3 is a treat. That autofocus would change a lot of theories and philosophies around 'pulling focus'. The rolling shutter on the FX3 is just negligible. It is probably the fastest sensor out there. With a sensor read out speed below 10 ms, it's close to the Arri. The 6KPro has a readout around 30 ms! That's a lot of rolling shutter issues. The low light on 6KPro is just bad, the Sony is phenomenal and literally sees in the dark. FX3 would make your life easy and your work shine (no pun intended). And, yes the Sony has Raw now on Ninja V.
I own the fx3 and have used the 6k pro for many shoots as well. If you need anything nimble, or to use all day, that's where the fx3 will be the direction to go. The battery life is horrendous on the 6kpro and any vmount options make this already super heavy camera even heavier, and serves great as an a or b cam but used as a full rig. If you need true run and gun capability, fx3 batteries are great and I can do a full day shoot on only 3 batteries. The weight difference is crazy though even with an atomos monitor attached to the fx3 with prores "raw". Fx3 is way easier on the arms and less fatiguing. I love both but personally for the weight of the 6kpro, would rather just go with a red or arri if budget would allow for a full rigged out camera. I still need a light run and gun camera that can still contend image wise but be something i can throw in a backpack and run around with all day. Your arms will thank you.
Great video! I'm prepping for a micro feature in NYC and was contemplating the Sony FX3 but after watching this in-depth review, it appears the Pocket 6K is a better camera. Oh yeah, diapers are expensive. I just subscribed to you!
The ONLY adv of BM over FX3 is internal raw and internal ND. Prores RAW on the FX3 is amazing, just shot a broadcast commercial with a few FX3's and the client ( big footwear company everyone knows) loved it to bits.
FX3 is a baller cam. Used the Sony’s a decent bit more since this video came out. Actually had a big client specifically request the FX line over the ARRI the other day. Weird times.
CONGRATULATIONS !!!! you've got yourselft a "ONE HIT WONDER" , but I don't think is the best approach trying to crush and trow hate over the brands named here.
Thanks so much for the review. Just rented an a7siii (basically an fx3) and also felt a bit underwhelmed by the results... Next time I'll try the bm6k!
Absolutely! It’s been great so far. Again though- I’m used to Alexa’s which aren’t notorious for being “great” in low light. My philosophy is just add more light if it’s too dark ;)
Seriously appreciate your review and comparison of these two cameras. Been looking at both of these as my next purchase and it's been difficult to decide. Funny that the cheaper one seems to be a much better choice, have to trick my brain since I'm always stuck in the higher price usually means a higher quality product. Thanks for all the practical, real camera operator info!
What an awesome video - and I have to say - the AUDIO on this video is I think the cleanest hands down best audio I have heard on YT. Now, go forth and procure diapers (and congrats)
What camera was used to capture the scene at 2:55. There appears to be a lot of digital noise on the subjects back. Is that due to youtube compression?
Nice comparison! How's the fan-noise on your 6K Pro? On mine that makes the internal microphones (and top mounted shotgun) almost unusable in quiet environments.
Oh weird- I haven’t noticed it at all on mine. I don’t have it in front of me rn but I think there’s a fan setting somewhere in the menu- Could be wrong.
Thank you, I really needed this info for our acting college! I've watched so many breakdowns of so many things, but your's was just simple without being simplistic. Super appreciative. Hope those diapers are well secured!
I've been using 2 BMPCC4K's since 2018 and I love the usability but I've been gearing up to getting an FX3 for a while now for the following reasons: The build quality of the BMPCC cameras seems to be quite low - I've had to return them twice now for various internal and external problems and I'm now experiencing another potential problem. I received a replacement camera on both occasions but it took a long time to arrive which obviously didn't help when I need the camera for work. The 4K is not great in low light at all and this is a constant problem on most shoots. Although I can usually remedy these problems in Resolve, it'd be good to have a camera that produces better low light footage before getting into the edit. Battery life is obviously really terrible on the 4K which is another constant problem as I'm usually shooting on a gimbal I can't use any of the usual, cumbersome battery solutions. The 4K is not weather sealed so any potential outdoor shoots in the rain are at best a worry and worst a real problem that could result in the death of the camera. I think the FX3 will be a lot easier to rig on the RS2 gimbal. I have endless problems with banding on the 4K when shooting a clear, cloudless sky. I have asked on every Facebook group and forum and no one seems to be able to explain or help me with this. And the problem does seem to be in-camera - on a shoot last week I could see banding on the camera screen as I was shooting. Bizarre and inexplicable with 10-bit footage. All that said, I think I know I will REALLY struggle with the FX3's menus and the lack of false colour as well as the absence of 180 shutter angle. I have become so used to the BMPCC4K's ease of use and that's what makes this a really daunting and slightly unappealing choice. I can only hope that I will get used to these things. As stated in this video, I have never been able to understand Sony's need to have such ridiculous menus. Completely unnecessary and an absolute pain in the arse...
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After testing both of these cams, I ended up going with the Pocket 6K Pro as the B cam to my Alexa Mini. Which one do you like better?
Did he just say that he could push the Pocket 6k's footage even further than the Alexa in some cases? And that film industry politics plays a hand against productions choosing the Pocket 6k over other "acceptable" cameras? That's pretty important info that I wish more people would hear, especially a lot of youtube people who have a bias against Blackmagic Pocket cameras
I am so bias! and my two systems are Blackmagic and Sony for the past 3 years, image quality vs convenience that is the dilema sony vs BM. I will choose BM as much as possible, unless my A7sii is a better low light choice or Autofocus is a must.
@@ENSOTAVES that’s it exactly!
I think that actually the A7III is more of direct competitor - also in terms of price. What would be any benefit of the FX3 over a A7III? I am still at the beginning of film making and looking into an upgrade for my Sony a6300. What would be your recommendation if autofocus is a must have?
You should look at the Panasonic S1H instead of either of those... Externally, now it can record both Prores RAW and BRAW depending on your recorder. And the image is fantastic
"ultimately as a compitent cinematographer, whatever happens between your framelines is infinately more important than the brand of camera we're using to create it" - Very well said sir
AF noise is only an issue with adapted lenses. With Sony lenses or native Sigma/Tamron glass it's silent. Nice video otherwise.
My buddy has lots of G Master stuff. Gonna have to get with him and re-test :)
@@coreyrobn yes please
Good to know! Thank you!
Literally subbed just to follow up on that, as I’m already invested in Sony lens ecosystem when I started out
@@AD-lh3jk I have an FX3. It’s silent with native glass 👍
reviewing a 6k camera and uploading. in 1080p you killing me lol
definitely export in 4k atleast
@@janssenbalneg3752 Not even that!/ The color separation at 2:17 is , to put it mildly, awful. That's a regular H264 export urged to post the video quickly. 🤣
Filming in 6k allows you more space to crop in.
Because he is really cheap.
Does shooting in 6K helps when your film will be shown in movie houses?
Jeez at last someone who knows what he is talking about and not saying cinematic 1 million times in a RUclips video. Subbed.
Haha love it. Thanks Taran- glad you’re here!
This review is bull shit. He does not know what he is talking about when he talks about the FX3.
@@Deep-Travel thanks for the example for your point
Was DPing a serious project recently with the arri mini and P6k Pro, after about 5mins of filming we decided to use the P6K Pro as the A cam, and the Arri mini as the B cam. For this project the P6K was so good and fast to work with. When i started grading the images from both camera in davinci, it got to a point the P6k looked so good, i was now trying to match the Arri to the P6k.
Not saying the P6K image is better than the Arri, but the image is so good (in some case hard to tell the difference).
100% agreed! It’s a crazy time to be a filmmaker that’s for sure. And I know what you mean about the 6k color. The blues and greens in particular seem to hit in a really beautiful and interesting way!
do you think you could get away with shooting a blockbuster movie on a p6k pro and not have people tell a difference?
@@reviewgodusa9613 Why use a P6k pro for a blockbuster movie when theres enough budget for a bigger camera with big crew
@@akpevbe obviously you wouldnt but what i am asking is if you could tell a difference in image quality.
@@reviewgodusa9613 If your lighting is good, with nice lens, colour grading etc then most won't be able to tell difference. "Act of valor" was shot on a canon 5D2 and most didn't know
I don't think it's fair to say that the FX3 autofocus is un-usable because of sound when using Sigma glass and and adapter... Of course adapters sucks. I have the FX3 with both Sony GM glass and Sigma ART E-mount and it's works perfectly and 100% silent.. I also have a good NTG shotgun mic mounted on the provided handle and really no problem whatsoever ... I'm not saying the FX3 is perfect, far from it.. but your video sounded a bit too much as a sale pitch for the BM..
But then again, I'm speaking from a run and gun documentary shooter, not shooting commercials in controlled environments and everyone has his own priorities when it comes to choose a camera. Only 1 year ago, if you would have told me I would buy Sony, I wouldn't have believed you.. but hey.. things changes.. color science have improved so much, even their menu (I actually love the button lock system.. :) ) I love consistency across all formats (10bit / no crop (or very small one) across all the line.. and finally, as you said yourself.. that body / form factor.. is just gorgeous.
Totally! That’s good to know about the G glass and NTG combo. Again I had a feeling it was just the sigmas and my Schoeps mic paired together. I wasn’t trying to tear apart the FX3- I just enjoyed the all-in-one experience of the BMPCC overall a bit better. They’re both incredible cameras!
Yeah, agreed. Sigma lenses also make a shit load of sound on the Komodo when using AF because of the adapter. E-mount glass is basically silent
he sucks with any cameras
I have two Pocket 6K (non-Pros) but they have basically no auto-focus at all so it's not an area where the Blackmagic beats the Sony in truth.
@@coreyrobn ohh but for what reason do you choose BM as a second camera i mean the major advantage
This turned out to be easily one of the best review videos I´ve ever seen. Not just stat padding or spitting abstract facts, but with actual footage and examples from said camera. I already own a Bmpcc 4k and I don´t think it´s time to upgrade yet. That´s the only reason I´m not buying one after seeing this video.
heckyeah! Glad you like the video. People can talk specs all day long, but until you actually get it in your hands, it's hard to tell which cam works best for your style.
Great work dude! Also congrats on the baby on the way 🤙
Thanks brother! Love your content. Glad you stopped by.
I'll take the FX3
You’ll have to track down the UPS guy! ;)
@@coreyrobn dammit
My two cents as an award winning cinematographer who has shot films, tv series, short films, commercials and documentaries with Arri, Sony, Blackmagic, Red etc, I’m going to have to say that FX3 is actually way better than the 6K pro.
Just arrived from Qatar, where I shot a low budget, run and gun documentary about the World Cup using an FX3, the A7S3 and the 6K pro. Leaving the infamous 7S3 out of the question, the most reliable camera was the FX3 by a lot.
Yes, the BM shot gorgeous images. On location It made me excited about the image I was getting, even though the batteries run out ridiculously fast, and if you don’t have a sophisticated rig it is a pain to handle and operate. Oh and the micro jitters. It’s so shaky it’s insane. And if you want decent shallow depth of field you need pretty fast lenses.
Also, images look pretty bad during night shoots. To my surprise, making the 6K pro takes work in post was a pain (had to stabilize and remove noise) and that’s something nobody tells you.
The FX3 doesn’t give you the exciting (daylight) image quality as the 6K pro, but it’s full frame sensor gives you awesome shallow dof which makes it look cinematic from the moment you press REC. it has pretty good autofocus (even when using a Sony 24-70mm f4), great dynamic range, it can shoot during nighttime with ease, batteries last a lot, decent audio quality (nothing spectacular) and best of all, a decent image stabilization. Also, it’s compact and doesn’t look like a pro camera that everyone will be weirded about (like it happened with the 6K Pro)
If you want to make the 6K pro work the way you intend, you will need a ton of other stuff to make that happen, and if you end up doing that you might as well rent or use an Alexa Mini. The 6K pro is not a run and gun camera at all. The FX3 is. You make the mistake of using the 6K pro as a run and gun camera and you will be ruined and end up with shaky, out of focus shots. No the Gyro thing doesn’t solve the shaky issue, it looks horrible if you don’t shoot to use gyro stabilizer, which beats the purpose of using it on available light situations.
Also, after some tests, the LUTs i prefer respond better on the Sony than on the BM but that’s just my preference.
My conclusion: the BM offers the very best image quality, contrast and colors of any camera around $4000 below. No question about it. But it’s a pain to make the image actually usable.
The FX3 gives you 70 percent of the image pop of the 6K pro, but it’s a beauty to handle. And the menus are pretty great if you get involved into customizing. No one should complain about Sony menus not being great right after unboxing but claim the 6K is great from the beginning as well because that’s not true. You will need a decent gimbal, or a tripod, lights (in some circumstances) and pretty good lenses. Good luck putting your tripod on a crowded place.
Honestly, people who are interested in these videos are because they want to get a run and gun camera. Otherwise they would be looking at Alexa or Komodo. I love the image of the 6K pro like I love looking at a Lamborghini that has worn, thin tires. Just remember, that car is gonna crash and burn at the worst moment. For low budget, every -moment-counts camera, Fx3 all the way.
Awesome video. Congratulations 🙏🏻
The most thorough response! Thanks for this. Since making this video I actually rebought the FX3, spent loads of time with it and take back basically every negative thing i said about it in this video lol. I rarely shoot on my Alexi Mini anymore for basic stuff and prefer the FX3 strictly for run and gun convenience. Even shot a low budget narrative piece on the FX3 recently. Aaaaand the 6K Pro is currently sitting on a shelf 🫠
The most thorough response! Thanks for this. Since making this video I actually rebought the FX3, spent loads of time with it and take back basically every negative thing i said about it in this video lol. I rarely shoot on my Alexa Mini anymore for basic stuff and prefer the FX3 strictly for run and gun convenience. Even shot a low budget narrative piece on the FX3 recently. Aaaaand the 6K Pro is currently sitting on a shelf 🫠
@@coreyrobn thank you for your kind reply. You’re obviously a hard working and talented film maker so it’s only natural that you organically figured it out. No shame on having a camera on a shelf, (it’s two of us now with the 6K pro lol). Casually, I’ve also shot three short films with the FX3 and really the only thing that I feel lacking is it’s very digital looking color science. Even the Panasonic now has (to me) more flattering skin tones 😔, but i learned that exporting a lut to the FX3, forgetting the 1.7 over exposing bs and just expose the image by eye (or even underexposing a bit) and then rising the blacks a bit in post and adding a tiny amount of film grain, you end up with a very special image that will make anyone proud.
Keep up the great work, Corey. I’m looking forward to see your next achievements (new subscriber of yours here) and hope you, and all of us kick butts this 2023.
Wow, a professional DP in RUclips comments who’s not just well informed, but actually level headed and kind?! This was a great write up and more DPs should have an attitude like yours!
@@IJohnSmith thank you for your kind comment. I mean some of us just have run the track for longer, that’s all it is and nothing else, you will all get there if you’re committed, I can assure you that. And the only value my career has is to aid others on their way to success, whether it’s fellow DPs like all of you, Directors, Producers and filmmakers in general. In short, my mistakes and success should be beneficial for all. Specially when a camera purchase these days it’s almost a luxury. Keep it up, John.
Damn near perfect cameras for us. We use to use a lot of Sonys more recently for our professional work but once we got our hands on our first couple Blackmagic's, that it. We're now die hard Blackmagic fan boys, have sold all our other cameras and exclusively shoot with a fleet of Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K Pro's. Love'em.
That what I like to hear! I feel bad that I ripped on them for so long. It’s the only camera other than Arris that I’ve ever heard real Hollywood producers ask for. After using them- totally understand why.
@@coreyrobn we can't get enough of them! We're throwing around the idea getting the Ursa 12K "just cuz" haha
Great work! It’s crazy. I use 2 FX3’s almost everyday with a 55 1.8, Sig 24-70, and a Sony G 70-200 with the Autofocus and I’ve never heard it sound like this video.
Oh weird!! That’s good to know. I don’t have the FX3 anymore to test but i still think about that cam all the time.
DSLR lenses tend to have noise because the focus mechanism is physically coupled to the ring. So it takes more power to drive the autofocus especially for fast moving subjects, and since those are stills lenses, speed/power was prioritized over noise. Mirrorless lenses have the AF mechanism completely isolated from the focus ring hence faster, silent AF, but the drawback is all mirrorless lenses are focus by wire.
It's called bias
The quality of this review is through the roof. Instant Sub.
Thanks Philipp!
There is NO quality on this review as he didn’t even bother to learn how to use a camera that he is putting down. If yo`u want to learn about an FX3 listen to people who actually use the camera and not from someone who a second after throng it off had already made his mind up. Worst review ever.
completely agreed with everything expressed here. Still not a fan of BM, but will give them another shot. Also use Alexa Mini as main camera, Zcam F6 was b cam, now using fx3 and paired with a ninja V its pretty decent combination.
Totally agree with this video. I own an Ursa Mini Pro 4.6k and Pocket 4k and LOVE them. I recently purchased an FX9 solely because alot of corporate clients are asking for it. The FX9 has fantastic colors, great variable ND, amazing auto focus and awesome visuals BUT the menu's are overly complicated. It is not a run and gun camera AT ALL. You have to create several different user profiles to pull from in the field to make quick changes.
Bingo!
My first cinema camera is the 6k pro, like you i was also considering the Fx3. Future plan is to go for a high end camera , and the 6k pro is gonna be the B camera. I must say the moment i switched it on, i could use the whole menu without reading any manual, everything was there and easily accessible. This is really important. The whole blackmagic package is really impressive too, since u get the da vinci studio for free, a pro level editing software, which handles the 6k raw footage easily exactly like you mentioned. Of course if you rig the camera it becomes a cinema beast, but the fact you can have it only with its battery grip and a lens, makes it a great camera for filming even on holidays. Thanks for the nice wrap up. I wonder if RED cameras are the next big thing, or someone has to really go for ARRI for that high end result.
this man talking is EXACTLY the quality that shotgun microphones have in hollywood films... it’s sounds exactly like a big production, not like the most filmmakers here in RUclips who have shotguns mic! seriously, impeccable.
Schoeps miniCMIT ;) obsessed. Thanks Leo!
@@coreyrobn ooohh thank you bud!
A little bit over acting voice-over, but hey, this is the film industry 😄.
@@Cooper349 👍🏻
dude. after many many hours over weeks of watching videos on this topic. i think you’ve finally helped me make a solid choice. am I.. changing my mind on Sony?? branding is powerful isn’t it. thanks for helping me to understand. subscribing for this and for the sake of diapers!!! god speed man 🤝
of course it has auto focus noise using adapter ef lens. It can actually still doing great auto focus using sigma ef lens in the first place is already amazing feature. It is a plus for fx3. next tine please use native lens when doing review.
Totally! It’s an amazing feature. One I really wish the BMPCC had. I’ve already invested in loads of EF and PL glass so it made more sense personally to stick with the EF 6k pro. My buddy has some native E glass though. Going to test it with him soon :)
@@coreyrobn really can’t wait man. I’m curious how you managed to work with the sigma 18-35 considering it’s an APS-C lens and the FX3’s sensor should be FF
Just got the 6k pro 2 days ago...it's a monster ! Thanks for the review and comparison !@
Heckyeah!
Congrats Corey and thanks for the confirmed purchase on the pocket 6k Pro.
I love how you talk about all the internal politics in film xD it's so true. "image" is almost more important than camera image in that world, a big camera looks more impressive to a client
also keep making youtube videos, i love this video, super well put together
Thanks brother! Appreciate it. And yeah its a topic that a lot of "filmmakers" turn a blind eye to. Back in my DSLR days I bought the biggest matte box I could find and slapped in the front. I can't tell you how many times clients would walk up and say "Dang that thing looks expensive!" Perception = Reality.
This is why I shoot with Profoto lol. The power of perception is real.
you gave me a good idea. im going to build a massive hollow rig made out of 3D printed parts and greebles with blinking LEDS. I can show up to the set with a phone camera buried inside and look like a champ!! ha ha
As a feature producer flirting with shooting as a hobby this POV is exactly what I’m looking for. Killer vid.
Excellent video Wooley. After finally getting my hands on the Sony for a significant period I can say I fully agree with you here. The Sony definitely has many uses for which I would grab it instead but I too do prefer the 6k. Either they are both just tools that can get fantastic results.
Totally agreed!
Great content, one of the best reviews ive seen.
Thanks dude!
This was the best tutorial I've seen in comparison. I have two BMPCC 6K (not the Pro) and I was bomb out about DCI 4K not on it. However the last update was a game changer. Wooley if you could please do a tutorial on the BMPCC 6k Pro, be cause most film makers use it as a run and gun camera. That's not this camera, I had and oldy but goody RED Scralet-X 4K, sold it and purchase two bmppc 6k. My final thought is Blackmagic Design makes cinema cameras, and It's main purpose is cinematic production. Thanks NBF Film Production...
I’m glad RUclips recommended this to me. An honest and self aware review from a knowledgeable perspective of an industry professional. Don’t get a lot of those in the public sphere, and always glad when I stumble on one
Most of all, I appreciate the honest criticisms, particularly for the FX3 as the Sony ecosystem is what I’m currently tied to and upgrading my 5 year old A6300 to a Sony FF that’s good for both photo and video is most financially sound for me. Which is why I haven’t decided to jump over to more affordable cinema oriented camera like the BMPCCs. I know I should probably differentiate the photo and video gear at some point but I’m just a couple of years into doing semi-pro to pro work and camera’s not my main role when doing pro gigs. Although I’d like to be self reliant hence why I’m investing in gears that can be relatively flexible. And the fact that my gig types varies from events, commercials, to short film and recently features
Current plan is to get the A7SIII for the relatively codec upgrade from my a6300 and pair it with an external recorder for RAW/RAW-like codec later. But my current priority is getting my own lighting kits, fixtures and modifier
Sorry for the rant, but yeah, keen to hear more honest reviews from an industry practitioner ✌️
What criticism? He didn’t learn to use the camera and is putting down something that he made up his mind a second after turning it off. How can you consider that a real review? It is not.
Man, Sony isn't the holy grial of cameras, and don't always come with an affordable price. Look for the camera that fits your needs and allows you to squeeze until the last drop of the capabilites and features brought across. Some times isn't really worth it to get an expensive camera if you can't use it at full capabilities. Think about what are you doing now, which kind of content and for which platform you're producing, you don't need and Arri for Instagram videos, if you know what i mean. One last quid for free, mind the editing time that take for your editing platform to load, color grade, render and export the footage, is it worth to shot raw footage? Get a Sony or a Lumix if you still want to get some pitures out of it.
really great, great video Corey, I'm glad I found your channel, I hope the Dyper buying went well now that you're at 4.2k subs haha
You're like a Professor and stand-up comedian at the same time. Killer review. Subbed.
What a beautiful comparison. Loved it. Usually I skip forward a lot on these types of video. Not once today.
Best high quality review of any cameras I’ve seen so far ! The visuals and the sound quality/soundtrack in this is sick !!
Haha thanks Shinro! Glad you liked it :)
Got here through Spencer Sakurai. Nice video! I just rented the 6K Pro for a project and I was very happy with the results. I figured I’d have to spend a lot more to get the quality I got, and the work flow was so much nicer than fighting with the C-Log from my canon mirrorless. I might not buy one any time soon, but I’ll definitely rent one for projects going forward. As a total newcomer to the black magic, there was ZERO fussing. Everything is clearly written and laid out on the cam and in the menus, and again, that image!
As a sound guy though, what kind of mic would you recommend plugging straight into it for interviews? I’ve been using the hotshoe rode mics for years boomed over the speaker but if I’m renting the BMPCC I’d like to go better with the mics if possible. Thanks again!
Totally agreed! a treat using the 6K Pro.
As far as mics go, that's a very loaded question. Though its kind of the same answer as cameras: there's no one-mic-does-all solution unfortunately. For interviews, I use the Schoeps miniCMIT if the room/ space sounds good naturally. It's a very transparent mic and picks up reverberation in a beautiful way. You probably know this but the closer the mic to the source, the better its going to sound. And the "source" is actually the top of the chest/ bottom of the neck. That's where the really good resonance on people is. Not the mouth.
@@coreyrobn Thanks for getting back to me. Google that mic and though I'm sure it's excellent, it's WELL above my budget. So perhaps it'll stay an aspiration :)
Now I want to buy a BMPCC 6K Pro because of this video. Great content and excellent way to tell a review. Thank's!
Dooooo it. Such a great little cam.
Awesome video with honest and great information. Subbed. Keep up the great work my friend!
Awesome camera seems to be! I was wondering if you had some feedback about battery life? (heard it was quite of a draw back) and what mic did you use for your voice over? Sounds so warm! Thanks in advance!
This is the comparison I've been wanting the all time. You delivered it! Thanks a lot! This makes me wanna get a 6k pro even more. Really liked your channel, you got one diaper money from me. subbed.
Ayyye!! Thanks for the sub. Glad you like the vid.
Congrats on the baby, subscribed. Love the footage and jealous of your steady handheld shots!
Heckyeah! Glad you're here. Its all that Sigma 24-70 stabilization. Well... and a hefty amount of resolve post stabilization haha.
@@coreyrobn lol, thanks for sharing your insider secrets to stabilized shots. Much appreciated. 😁
I like Black magic design. By the way, You did a great job for me by making this comparison video. I am a sony lover & user but I think if someday i need to buy a B-cam I will definitely try This little beast Pcket 6k Pro
Epic review! Wealth of useful knowledge here and hope you'll continue making vids for youtube man. I'm wondering if I could pick your brain/get some second thoughts! I'm headed off to Europe for a few months this year and wanting to do some shooting and a few personal projects. My A cam is a red Gemini, B cam is a BM Ursa mini. Don't want to take either of those as I'd like something that's obviously smaller and lighter, nice image and that I can just chuck in a backpack with a lens and a small travel tripod. Hesitating between the pcoket 6k and the Fx3. Fx3 batteries seem really small and solid. Review obviously got me unsure on the fx3 but then reading in the comments it seems you love both but have grown to really enjoy the fx3. Would you say it's a good bet and nice, smaller foot print compared to travelling with a 6k/6k pro? Any help/ thoughts would be epic! Cheers
Super late reply- the FX3 is incredible for exactly that. Super small and easy to take anywhere. My lens choice admittedly sucked when I made this vid. Just get some Sony glass and it makes it amazing. I still prefer the 6K color science and the big screen on the 6K but for transportability and ease of AF the FX3 has my heart for run and gun stuff. Also batteries slap. 6K pro batts are so trash so bring a bunch lol
WHAAAAAT?! This channel is GOLD! Immediate SUB. Looking forward to your content!
100% the review I needed to see, picking up the BMPCC 6k pro instead of fx3/a7s3
Nice review, lots of good thoughts. Im currently really torn apart which way should i go. I own a pocket 4k and a7siii and honestly, they both work for me in their own ways. I use a7siii a lot on smaller social media projects that need quick setup and delivery.
But I am tired of external ND filters on the Pocket 4k so im currently between 6k pro or fx6.
I really really really like the BM footage, colors, files and menu system.
But on the same time it would make things easier to stay in one ecosystem for 2 camera interviews etc (fx6 and a7siii would match perfectly fine in post). I'm not a fan of Pocket form factor, for me it needs a rear v-mount plate so i can support it against my chest while handheld shooting, which makes the rig quite big and heavy. Fx6 pretty much has usable form factor right out of the box.
which one did you end up buying?
@@thegagankhaira neither yet. I'll just keep renting them depending on project until i decide.
I did rent fx6 recently for interview project and i had mixed feelings. Love the form factor, love that footage matches perfectly with a7siii, really love the variable nd. I like that its usable right out of the box(my bmpcc needs lot of rigging)
But pretty much hated everything else.
Menus and settings are quite cumbersome to use compared to bmpcc4k and a7siii.
There is no long gop 10bit 4k option like a7siii does. Bmpcc has lots of compression options. Its good to have them for long interviews.
No stereo 3.5mm input (i use rode wireless go 2 for quick projects and it would be nice to have separate L and R. Xlr ports are mono)
@@Siimkristjanpariis I feel your pain. They both have their ups and downs. I’m still super torn on wether or not to get something with autofocus. Kinda actually leaning towards something like an R6.
What camera would you suggest for podcasting. I’m wanting a nice camera. Looking at similar prices to these cameras
The FX3 with some Sony glass
Great comparison! The best one! What lenses do you recommend to use on the bmpcc 6k pro?
Thanks for watching! There’s so many to choose from! And it depends on what you’re shooting. For quick stuff the sigma 18-35 art lens is great!
I bought the FX3 and the Sony G Master 50mm F1.2 and I can say that the autofocus is almost completely silent. Haven't used the audio handle yet actually, will try that now.
Wow, man! Thanks a lot for sharing this. Congrats on the baby. I just got another kid, too. Just subscribed to your channel.
Absolutely! Congrats on the new one! What a ride.
Loving the quality, loving the content, you’ve convinced me on the blackmagic. Thanks man!! 🤙🏼
for a film school student like me , this video is not just review its a 11 minutes of knowledge. subscribe 👍🏻
Damn great video! Im getting a babygirls myself and am on the market for a camera to record her first years with. Im an editor though so no DP but very much switching between FX30 and 6K Pro in my head. Was leaning towards fx30 but that was before seeing this video. Help me decide; what would you pick to film you firstborn with?
Dope video man! Finally someone with quality again!
Thanks Gregor! Means a lot :)
I'm undecided with these two and I really love the comparison bro!...
I’ve actually since changed my tune a bit. I ended up rebuying the FX3 and it’s been perfect for what I’ve needed lately. Still have and shoot on the 6K Pro but dang the FX3 is nice when you dial it in.
Jesus christ what an amazing video, subbed. Also just got my 6k pro and am absolutely in love with it. Keep it up man 🚀
Haha thank Matt! Dude it’s such a sweet little camera. The thing just WORKS.
great video, have you come from a sony background? or was the fx3 your first sony.
Fx3 is my second Sony. I have an Rx0ii as a crash /underwater cam. Always had a tech crush from afar on Sony just hated the menus. I went to a BestBuy a few years ago and picked one up and immediately put it down after trying to go through the menus. I was on Fuji at the time (which is dead simple and very similar to film). My background for video / photo systems is: Canon > Nikon > Fuji X > Sony > ZCam > Arri > Sony > BMPCC
Fuji (photo) and ARRI/ BMPCC (video) are the only cams I’ve kept so far.
“Everything on the FX3 is customisable and sometimes I just don’t want that”.
I’m on the floor laughing!
Ever shot on an ARRI? Their engineers have already done the hard work for you to find the very best curve for their sensor. There’s one color profile and it’s perfect.
This was by far the best shot review i have ever seen ...
Dang… thanks!!
I have the same issue with my Sigma 24 DG 1.4. The auto-focus is to loud. I also have a 85mm Sony 1.8 and a 70-300 Tamron and that doesn't happen (I use it with my Sony A7iv). But I don't remember having this problem when I had it on my Canon 80D. I don't know.
I’ve since switched to all Sony glass for the FX3 and it’s flawless
I have BMPCC 6K Pro and I love that camera. Any sugestion for the lut? Which one you use?
Yeah! The "Buttery LUTs" are pretty baller. Also if you just use ARRI's Log C to Rec 709 it works pretty freaking well.
@@coreyrobn Great! Thanks for the tip. 😉
People nowadays compare the Komodo with Arri but actually the best partner for a Arri is the 6k pro or the Ursa 12k, BM should work better on the form factor tho
Great Review ! Congratulation for your child! :) Being a Pocket 6k owner who bought it just 2 months back I am still tempted to get the 6k Pro for the IRND Filters, Tilting 1500 nits screen and better battery life. Only thing beholding me right now is that image quality of both the cameras is same. Unless I want to keep both where one acts as a B cam.
Thanks brother! Man the ND’s are suuuuper handy. If your other one is already rigged out there’s prolly no reason to get the pro. I just wanted to go handheld a lot without building a rig and the pro works perfect for that!
@@coreyrobn True! I rigged out my other one that's the main reason I am unable to invest on the pro version as the visual quality we get out of both is the same that too with same gen5 color science. Instead I am thinking of investing in a good cinema lens and/or Blackmagic Design's Color Grading Micro Panel. But this pandemic has really effected the work so much that investing more on gear seems to be a bad idea. But thanks for your quick response brother! :) May everyone in your family stay safe and healthy. Keep creating good content! Cheers!
I have to watch this video again. Not sure if this was a review or a movie, probably both. Love the quality. Great stuff!
haha! Thanks Kris
What's cool about b raw in DaVinci Resolve you can easily use a color space transform and go from b raw to arri log c and you'll be able to grade your Blackmagic footage just like Arri Alexa footage and they will match up perfectly
Yuuuuuuup
FX3 vs BMPCC
what has a better 'Film feel' ?
for your handheld BMPCC shots, how shaky are the raw footage? Do you need to use a lot of stabilization in post? Or you just have steady hands? Or did you have a shoulder mount?
All that stuff was handheld then stabilized in Davinci. The sigma 24-70 also has stabilization built in which is pretty baller. Although-Davinci's stabilizer gets confused sometimes if you use the stabilization on the lens. In my experience, usually it looks best if all lens stabilization is off and you just stabilize in post.
Similar experience with a Canon R6. Amazing specs, great stills camera but a raging hot mess when it came to the moving image. These big brands doing hybrids need to start again, especially with the user interface.
With the action happening right in front of you, digging into menus, fighting with autofocus, working around stabilisation gotchas, the camera working in illogical ways - it destroyed more footage than it captured and nearly sunk me as a creative.
I use the BM 6k as my everyday carry and its freaking awesome. Even poorly shot takes are lovely to look at. Its energising. I feel confident filming strangers in the street with this machine. The screen, the controls, the footage and the workflow. All in a device that looks like a chunky DSLR that no one gives a rats about when you pull it out of your bag.
How strange it is that some tiny little company from Australia has had such a massive impact upon the masters of cinematography. I can spend an hour browsing their website and be amazed to see how much kit they offer to us. Unlike Arrie or Red or any other camera maker their grasp of imagery is profound. If you want to create an enterprise then only Blackmagic Design and Devinci Resolve and Fairlight Audio can make that real.
It’s so wild how good that ecosystem is. Was just talking with a buddy last night about BM. If people are familiar with post, they can manipulate the image in incredible ways. Some of the best footage I’ve ever seen has come out of those cams.
@@coreyrobn Dude what is your audio setup and processing? This video sounds amazing!
Fairlight is trash
Love the narrative and everything you said makes sense. Am considering the Pocket 6K Pro as my first cine camera.
It’s a killer cam. Especially if AF isn’t a need. They’re both amazing cams.
Thanks 🙏.. one question! Is there any over heating with the BM 6K pro?
Never had a problem with overheating. I had a faulty one with a broken screen at one point and that one had all sorts of problems with overheating… melting? It was weird. New one has been great tho
Great Video! Every time I watch a Danny Gevirtz video I always reconsider the fx3 :')
Dude EXACTLY. He's unreal. Then I think to myself- but what would that same video look like if he shot it on a 6k? ;)
Congrats mate on the little girl! Mine is four months!! Thank for the review. Great video. loved the flow.
Thanks Johnny! And congrats on yours as well. What a wild ride.
GREAT STORY and visuals bro, I own both the Fx3 and Pock 6k and 4K, working on getting my self Arri one day
Heckyeah dude!! Curious to know which one you end up using more often or for which task? My first Arri was the older Classic. It’s finally starting to get in that reasonable price point.
What do you recommend me?, FX3 or Pock 6K Pro for Music Videos
Definitely FX3 is your a one man show, I own both and BMCC 6k will need a little setup it’s not a point and shoot 📸
Killer work, Corey! Keep it up.
Thanks!
Amazing voice-over sound in the video! Please tell me how and what did you record it for?
(I apologize for the google translate)
I loved the editing and the look of your video. But you kinda killed it for me when you said you were using Sony with a lens adapter. That's like saying you were test driving a Ferrari, but since you had no Pirelli or Goodyears, you used bike wheels and didn't like the acceleration of the car.
Yes, Sony's menu's suck. They feel like they were made by engineers instead of end users. You can improve them by setting up a quick menu, but compared to the BMPCC's touch menu, scrubbing options, and more, they look horrible. I agree.
But one of the best features of the Sony is the autofocus. I use eye AF 99% of the time and it works 100% of the time. You have to use lenses made for the camera from Sigma and Sony. There will be no focus noises, no soft focus, no other issues you listed. This is why I prefer Sony over the BMPCC. Having the autofocus taken care of lets me focus (pun!) on the actual composition of the shot, the angle, etc. And the new Cinetone color science is amazing straight out of camera.
I know, I know.... That was a silly thing to say in hindsight. Just didn't want to go buy a bunch of E Glass- and that's not Sony's fault. I love the comparison tho hahah!
The Sigma 18-35 is just loud anyway. I use to have it on my Fuji and sent it back and just bought a 24 and 35 1.4. Great review.
Agreed.
I enjoyed this vid. It did sound a tad bias when the focus noise was mentioned. Didn't have native lenses for a cam you were shooting down a bit. The noise is from the MC-11 and there is no auto focus noise on the native lenses. The green tint came from the sigma glass, that was the reason I sold all my Sigmas and went straight native. Also Sony has the most accurate colors so there will be a bit of green in comparison to other cams. Even though it is the most accurate, it is not the most pleasing looking image. That is where having the Picture Profiles really make the Sony come alive. I don't own the FX3, but I do have the A7SIII and the A7III and pretty much know my way around them for the most part. This vid was definitely informative to hear from an experienced Cinematographer and what your feelings and first impressions were on these two cams. Subb'd!
Great simple review @wooley, it compelled me to subscribe.👌🏼
I have watched a tonne of different reviews and Vs on the P6K Pro, but you've almost sold me. I currently run a GH5s and am still considering getting the EVA-1 as an A cam to it. But I have also been considering a total shift to a couple of the P6K Pro's and also making the switch to Reslove from FCPX. I don't care about autofocus. Those BM batteries though!!!
its a killer cam. The batteries SUUUUUCK haha
Great feedback and reasoning behind your professional preference. Thanks again, hoping to get a 6K Pro soon! Shout out from Cape Town, SA.
Dude !! This vidéo is just perfect. I love the way you tell it. You inspired me enormously !
Thanks Julien! Glad you liked it.
I would like to see this revisited. The FX3 got a lot of improvements through its latest firmware updates that solve many of the problems mentioned. I work with Pocket 4Ks at my Day Job a lot. What I hate most about them is a) not having any usable auto focus and b) it makes you use the touchscreen for pretty much everything. It just doesn’t have enough physical controls and the menu system is incredibly confusing and indescriptive. It took me 15 minutes to figure out how to format a memory card the first time I picked it up.
Totally! Actually shooting a short this week with the Venice as A Cam and FX3 on Ronin as B cam. I’ve totally changed my tune in the last year especially after that Cine EI update. Loving the FX3 so much and were getting them to match on set almost perfectly
@@coreyrobn hmmm so I'm on the fence, deciding between getting a 6k pro or an fx3 as a first actual cinema camera now that I'm getting serious about the quality of my footage, would you say that you recommend the fx3 over the 6k now? I really like the fx3's small size and that it's full frame, but I feel like the 6k pro screen is a good edge and BRAW seems to be pretty amazing. Any new thoughts on these two? I seem to be pulled back and forth on my decision haha
@@ZiroWatt Depends on your use. In a controlled environment with a dedicated focus puller, the 6K Pro makes sense. For a run and gun solo shooter, the FX3 is a treat. That autofocus would change a lot of theories and philosophies around 'pulling focus'. The rolling shutter on the FX3 is just negligible. It is probably the fastest sensor out there. With a sensor read out speed below 10 ms, it's close to the Arri. The 6KPro has a readout around 30 ms! That's a lot of rolling shutter issues. The low light on 6KPro is just bad, the Sony is phenomenal and literally sees in the dark. FX3 would make your life easy and your work shine (no pun intended). And, yes the Sony has Raw now on Ninja V.
I own the fx3 and have used the 6k pro for many shoots as well. If you need anything nimble, or to use all day, that's where the fx3 will be the direction to go. The battery life is horrendous on the 6kpro and any vmount options make this already super heavy camera even heavier, and serves great as an a or b cam but used as a full rig. If you need true run and gun capability, fx3 batteries are great and I can do a full day shoot on only 3 batteries. The weight difference is crazy though even with an atomos monitor attached to the fx3 with prores "raw". Fx3 is way easier on the arms and less fatiguing. I love both but personally for the weight of the 6kpro, would rather just go with a red or arri if budget would allow for a full rigged out camera. I still need a light run and gun camera that can still contend image wise but be something i can throw in a backpack and run around with all day. Your arms will thank you.
@@coreyrobn Holy shit that sounded good! What is your voiceover setup?
Great video! I'm prepping for a micro feature in NYC and was contemplating the Sony FX3 but after watching this in-depth review, it appears the Pocket 6K is a better camera. Oh yeah, diapers are expensive. I just subscribed to you!
Heckyeah man! Pumped for your micro-feature. Let me how it goes!
The ONLY adv of BM over FX3 is internal raw and internal ND. Prores RAW on the FX3 is amazing, just shot a broadcast commercial with a few FX3's and the client ( big footwear company everyone knows) loved it to bits.
FX3 is a baller cam. Used the Sony’s a decent bit more since this video came out. Actually had a big client specifically request the FX line over the ARRI the other day. Weird times.
CONGRATULATIONS !!!! you've got yourselft a "ONE HIT WONDER" , but I don't think is the best approach trying to crush and trow hate over the brands named here.
Lmaoo since making this video I went back and bought another fx3 and use it all the time as my main B cam. I love that camera haha
Thanks so much for the review. Just rented an a7siii (basically an fx3) and also felt a bit underwhelmed by the results... Next time I'll try the bm6k!
Heckyeah! they're both amazing cams. Just love the experience of shooting with the 6K Pro. Feels really natural overall :)
Great video! How is the BMP6Kpro in low light? Do you think it's usable?
Absolutely! It’s been great so far. Again though- I’m used to Alexa’s which aren’t notorious for being “great” in low light. My philosophy is just add more light if it’s too dark ;)
Good luck with the baby! Just subscribed so that way you can get those diapers ;) lol crazy that you're about to break 3k any second now! Congrats!
Thanks Alex! Glad you're here.
Great information ! I’m a beginner and this was more helpful than a lot of the videos I’ve seen
Oh heckyah! Glad you got something out of it :)
Seriously appreciate your review and comparison of these two cameras. Been looking at both of these as my next purchase and it's been difficult to decide. Funny that the cheaper one seems to be a much better choice, have to trick my brain since I'm always stuck in the higher price usually means a higher quality product. Thanks for all the practical, real camera operator info!
What an awesome video - and I have to say - the AUDIO on this video is I think the cleanest hands down best audio I have heard on YT. Now, go forth and procure diapers (and congrats)
Who talked in the background? Were it luther clayton („The young Filmmaker“)?
Yours truly.
What camera was used to capture the scene at 2:55. There appears to be a lot of digital noise on the subjects back. Is that due to youtube compression?
Nice comparison! How's the fan-noise on your 6K Pro? On mine that makes the internal microphones (and top mounted shotgun) almost unusable in quiet environments.
Oh weird- I haven’t noticed it at all on mine. I don’t have it in front of me rn but I think there’s a fan setting somewhere in the menu- Could be wrong.
Congratulations on the baby 👏👏👏
Thanks Donald! Rocking my world currently.
I sold my Gh5. Looks like Blackmagic is the one to go for?
If you can wait a little longer I would take a very close look at the upcoming Fujifilm x-h2. Or even the current x-t4.
Dude the X-H2 is looking spicy. Most of my glass is Fuji too.
Congrats for your baby!
Thank you, I really needed this info for our acting college! I've watched so many breakdowns of so many things, but your's was just simple without being simplistic. Super appreciative. Hope those diapers are well secured!
Thanks Kelly! Yeeesss got loaded up on the diapers now!
What is that project @10:16 with the red background? Is that at OCCC?
We shot that at Toucan in OKC. It was a temp setup.
I've been using 2 BMPCC4K's since 2018 and I love the usability but I've been gearing up to getting an FX3 for a while now for the following reasons:
The build quality of the BMPCC cameras seems to be quite low - I've had to return them twice now for various internal and external problems and I'm now experiencing another potential problem. I received a replacement camera on both occasions but it took a long time to arrive which obviously didn't help when I need the camera for work.
The 4K is not great in low light at all and this is a constant problem on most shoots. Although I can usually remedy these problems in Resolve, it'd be good to have a camera that produces better low light footage before getting into the edit.
Battery life is obviously really terrible on the 4K which is another constant problem as I'm usually shooting on a gimbal I can't use any of the usual, cumbersome battery solutions.
The 4K is not weather sealed so any potential outdoor shoots in the rain are at best a worry and worst a real problem that could result in the death of the camera.
I think the FX3 will be a lot easier to rig on the RS2 gimbal.
I have endless problems with banding on the 4K when shooting a clear, cloudless sky. I have asked on every Facebook group and forum and no one seems to be able to explain or help me with this. And the problem does seem to be in-camera - on a shoot last week I could see banding on the camera screen as I was shooting. Bizarre and inexplicable with 10-bit footage.
All that said, I think I know I will REALLY struggle with the FX3's menus and the lack of false colour as well as the absence of 180 shutter angle. I have become so used to the BMPCC4K's ease of use and that's what makes this a really daunting and slightly unappealing choice. I can only hope that I will get used to these things. As stated in this video, I have never been able to understand Sony's need to have such ridiculous menus. Completely unnecessary and an absolute pain in the arse...
Which microphone are you talking to?
Schoeps MiniCMIT
Why did you upload this in 1080p???