The Cine-D lab tests of the Sony cameras doesn't technically show a greater overall dynamic range just a greater dynamic range above the noise floor. The total patch size for the FX3 was only 14.6 stops where as the Pocket was 15.7; however, the FX3 has 12.4 stops at a S/N ratio of 2 and 13.6 at an S/N ratio of 1 where as the Pocket has 11.8 stops at a S/N ratio of 2 and 12.9 at a S/N ratio of 1, which means the remainder lie in the noise floor. Also remember the FX3 has noise reduction applied in camera, which is going to increase the baseline for its usable dynamic range out of camera while reducing the detail. With that said the Pocket in RAW also has highlight recovery which in certain circumstances can get one up to another stop and a half in the highlights. For things like clouds, highlight recovery is fantastically useful ; however, for skin tones the colors get a bit janky. The tests in this video showed that exact jankyness because the scene wasn't lit and exposed ideally for the pocket. The end result, in my opinion is this video gives a false impression that the pocket is the weakest of the cameras when in actuality it has better dynamic range potential if things are properly exposed for it, post noise reduction is used, and highlight recovery is used in the proper situations.
With the pocket, iso plays big role, it should be different for different scenerios, for more DR in highlights I would choose 500-800 and for darker image 400 and below. Overall Sony likes to be overexposed and with BM it's better to espose normally or underexpose.
This test was done at ISO 400. You are completely right that you can get better highlight performance at the cost of sacrificing shadow information by raising up the ISO on the Pocket cameras
True what you said about FX3. I just wish FX3 was at least 4K DCI; 6K would have been better advantage as FF. Because, I need it minimum. I don't want UHD 4K.
Thank you for these tests. They have made me feel good about my picking up the FX30. The slight magenta shift in the FX30 from under exposure I believe can be tackled in post. Overall, the FX30 seems to perform quite well next to the FX3 and P6K Pro.
These people are still trying to market Sony cameras. All of these cameras are great if you know what you're doing. The fact is, 6k is still going to be sharper than 4k. The truth is, braw is going to give you a more detailed image. Imo, the person behind the camera is the most important issue.
The BMPCC6K and Davinci Resolve are a perfect match!. Now with image data stabalization. Make a mistake with the ISO or exposure you can still make adjustments in DR.
@@torsrive8920 Okay but add the Lens, thats the most important and expensive. Expensive lens on a bmpcc 6k will worth it more than a cheap one on fx3 cause you ran out of budget...
Very good tests. In fact the sharpness of the BM stands out in all the tests I've seen. I'd like to see a test with the FX-30's external recording that goes up to 16-Bit ProResRAW to see how sharp this image is compared to BM Pro.
The main difference is that Pocket don't have noise reduction at all and rely on postproduction. So if you want to test noise level - you have to record RAW on Sony too (or just make a photo) Sony better than BMPCC if you need autofocus, smaller body, IBIS and for run-n-gun use. BMPCC have much better color rendition and amazing big screen. Still wondering why Sony can't make bigger screen and using smaller one with huge borders...
Yes the pocket is doing minimal noise reduction and so post production NR will work better. However the quality of the noise in the first place does matter and I find the pocket 6K sensor to have quite a bit of chroma noise at high isos which isn’t ideal. I didn’t record raw on the sonys for multiple reasons. Firstly it wasn’t enabled on the ninja V for the FX30 yet as this was a pre-release camera. Secondly you have to add a Ninja V which is an extra cost. So wouldn’t be fair in a comparison like this to the pocket 6K. I agree on the screens point though!
The screen. Yes I took one look at the size of the screen and pushed it back to the sales guy. Nup. It belongs on a dad cam. Big screen to shoot with. Great colour to work with. Very important or all the decisions that have to be made at the critical moments.
@@GingersnapRacing thank you for the correction, that prevented me from making an expensive oopsie looking at Sony cameras for the very first time. Do you know if this incompatibility is a bug or intended behavior by the two companies? I was so happy thinking I just had to check for RAW-over-HDMI on the camera side to be able to just use a Video Assist there to also get BRAW.
Ok the FX30 is really affordable but when you're on a low budget shooting with a very light crew, the biggest need is to be able to shoot without much light in any circumstances, because it can save your film and spare you a LOT of money so I would still go with a A7S3 or an FX3 any day.
I don’t know of many situations where you’re going to be shooting in such low light that it’s going to be an issue. For the money saved from the FX30, you can get some good glass, lighting and audio for your projects, then the low light capability doesn’t really factor in. If you’re mainly shooting in situations where you can’t control the light then absolutely.
it depends very much on the usage. For some the Fx3 and Fx30 are more than perfect, super cameras. But for getting a more filmlike look you better go with Blackmagic, because they Sonys tend to have a digitaly video look. Don't get me wrong, this look can also been wantet to achieve, for a lot of videowork such as Vlogs, RUclips, filming daily life things this digital sharper look from the Sonys can be better. For Commercial, cinema and Documentary I prefer Blackmagic
It's always baffled me that Sony calls these cinema cameras yet they don't even shoot in DCI 4k and no one calls them out on it lol. I mean cinema is cinema right?
“Cinema Camera” is becoming a strange term nowadays. I prefer to think of cameras like this as video content creation cameras. But no one likes to say that as “cinema camera” is more impressive. In all honesty the Venice is the only Sony camera regularly used in cinema production as an A camera.
@@carlyates2487 The RUclips Crowd gave a new meaning to the word 'cinematic': shadow depth of field and flashy editing. But how often do you really see this in cinema?
I have 1 Sony fs7 and 1 fx3 and I can't to see me switching to BM, BRAW many guys see that RAW like another level but we have to be honest, Sony Raw, the slog 3 and the dual high ISO of Sony cameras is another thing. I have ND filter, 4096k and Cine EI since 2015 with my fs7 and now BM brings am ND filter but magenta problems in the footages and are cameras very fools in low light condition, Sony is one best leader in many options in the film industry and BM in davinci resolve and broadcast and equipment editing stuff are the best. So is much better get the best of the worlds and everybody is gonna be happy 😂. Great video Master. Cheers 🍻
Black Magic needs to bring a new body to their "pocket" line, because that form factor does not make much sense. A cube or a "mini"-mini Ursa body style would be better. The Fx3, 30 and the Sigma Fp have shown the path
@@bmefilms6879 for its price add a small gimbal and still cheaper than the Sony. But I was talking about form factor, small and "pocketable" not video specs. The Fp may be more niche due to its quirks but is a beast, nonetheless.
@@juanQuedo gimbals are a pain in the rear. In a run and gun situation, you need to be quick and in tight and moblle. your camera needs to be weighted so micro jitters aren t a thing.
I see people getting Sony but I just think blackmagic should not be added here only because is a camera for a different type of user. I am a Sony shooter ( A7iv ) and also own a pocket 6k and I see myself only using Sony when size is relevant but for everything else the black magic is superior, BRAW is also a joy to work with and you have so much flexibility in post. I’m a underwater cinematographer and color change at depth due to the lack of light so adjusting your WB every 5-10ft is a must do but having the flexibility of changing WB in post with the pocket 6k is great. 10 bit is not enough to bring color back when diving 200ft deep
There’s auto wb on the Sonys along with much better autofocus, battery life, and in the case of the FX3, better high iso performance. It seems to me that Sony makes a better camera for your needs.
@@Murilo_Resende the By the time I was searching I tried getting something less expensive but couldn’t find anything reliable so end up getting Nauticam and now I am happy I did because I can use the same ports and focus ring with the housing for the R5C
FX3 is obviously going to win by miles due to it being full frame. can you test FX30 against similarly priced aps-c cameras instead? such as the X-H2s, and the A7iv in crop mode.
Yes, like I said at the beginning of this video I aim to do exactly that. However for the one day I had to make this test, the only relevant cameras available in our showroom were the fx3 and pocket 6K
The dynamic range distribution changes depending on which iso setting you are on, it seems that you were somewhere at iso 400 or below with the blackmagic? To distribute the stops for overexposure, you need to be at a higher iso, barely under the second native iso, like 1600, but below 3200 (2nd native iso). There is a nice graph of the distribution of the dynamic range stops at different iso values if you google it.
So there are basically two separate circuits for the two sets of native ISOs. For the pocket 4k, the second “stage” starts at 1250 and ends at 6400, though the “native” being 3200.(that doesn't matter because you can change the iso values in resolve within the stage’s range) and changing to the second ISO stage MOVES the entire dynamic range down, so the highlights are more likely to be clipping with similar exposures, but you get more stops in the shadows. So technically you should use the first stage ISOs(100-1000) to get the most stops above 0ev. There’s a very clear chart on blackmagic’s website showing how selecting the two different native ISOs shifts your dynamic range.
Shooting at or below 1000 gives you the most dynamic range, but if the image gets too noisy, use 1250 or above to get a much cleaner shadow. You don’t always need the full DR.
@@zechenwei1139 got it. Thanks for the info. I just started with BRAW and didn’t quite understand why the iso ranges allowed what they did…until you’ve explained it.
@@judnichols 🙂Glad I could help! I was also quite confused by it. Also, if you are shooting BRAW, the ISO values are only recorded as metadata. so changing your ISO within the range of each "stage" during a clip will not change the actual exposure of the video(when played back in Resolve), unless you jump between the two native ranges. That said, everything above 6400 is a different story, I believe.
It would be awesome if we see a comparison between FX30, Pocket 6k Pro and Fuji X-H2S.... and maybe Canon R7? But please don't add something like FX3, it's a full frame camera and it doesn't make any sense to be here.
I don’t think it’s about the sensor size when deciding which cameras should be compared. I think it’s about the price point. I’d also include the gh6 and a7r4
Best test, as no one is really is going to be shooting at those crazy ISO levels, is just line up each camera, shoot a brief scene that is properly exposed and graded, then let everyone know why the Blackmagic image is superior to the Sony.
Fx30 and pocket 6k are kinda the same bit different, if u want best quality for the dollar u go with the pocket and an external SSD to record that sweet braw but the fx30 u can slap on that cheap 18-105mm f.4 pz and run and gun full autofocus no sweat, they are both cheap workhorses but for slightly different work, I would give an edge to the Sony for the lens selection, af and because u can always put a ninja on it to get your good codec but u can't make the pocket compact and have good battery+ af
My reasoning for choosing Prores wasn’t to “hobble” the camera. It was that RAW would only be worth doing if we were trying to get the best image possible by applying noise reduction in post. Instead we wanted the best image the camera was capable of providing straight out of camera.
FX3 any day. That amazing full frame sensor makes all the difference with higher dynamic range and much superior low light performance. Rolling shutter performance is incredibly good and have a better signal to noise ratio, image is super clean even at 12800. It’s a brilliant camera and the only Netflix approved of the bunch which says a lot. You get what you pay for.
I agree, It’s the camera of the 3 here I would choose as well. However it does cost a lot more and I think it’s very impressive how well both the fx30 and pocket 6K do in different areas.
i love my FX30, i think the crop is the only thing i realy hate about it, or maybe in Prores Raw the 6k to 4.7k downsampling, thanks Sony, now Release a FX3 Sline Quattro with FF and 6K without throttle
Never underestimate the importance of that huge screen on the back of the BM. It makes shooting quality footage easy. You need to see what you are shooting. You need to feel the impact of your composition. There are many technical differences and similarities but is it a joy to rock? The massive BM screen makes shooting compelling, and is the reason why the camera has such a superb user interface.
Question on 8:30 mark about th dynamic range, at what iso this was shooting? I ask because blackmagic cameras are tircky in the way they use the dunamic range for example i will shoot at iso 1250 on +4 stops and iso 400 or 3200 on -4 stops for better results since this is where they suggest on their offcial charts. And sony cameras has no indication on dynamic range interpretation on the camera so best is use native for those i guess
This was a rather interesting comparison. The FX30 looks great on paper, but real world use, it’s quite a bit different than the FX3. I’ve got a bunch of FE lenses, but would need to go out and buy new aps-c lenses to use with FX30, esp at the wide end. Do u think the FX3 will ever go on sale?
@@johanbraanen2108 You absolutely can use FF lenses on the FX30. FF lenses will obviously be larger and heavier, but I regularly use my 12-24 and 20mm with my ZVE-10 with ZERO issues whatsoever.
Sony needs to make a new Alpha camera based on the FX30 sensor ASAP. Hopefully, it will have a great viewfinder along with everything else that is good about the FX30.
It won't happen. Alpha line is different from cineline. But I surely hope they can build a 4k60p 10 bit log crop alpha, but I won't expect cine ei, top handle with audio controls, focus breathing control or depth mash like fx30. Probably 1 sd card only too
FX3 is by far a superior camera. Higher dynamic range, much better low light performance and signal to noise ratio, much faster rolling shutter performance, ability to shoot swallower depth of field, among many others features.
@@davidmurray5926 FX3 has 15+ stops of DR compared to only 14 on the FX30. Rolling shutter performance of the FX3 is much faster also, the FX30 doesn’t even come close, not even talking about the low light performance at 12800. That’s why the massive price tag difference, FX3 has an amazing full frame sensor. It’s a fact, not an opinion.
@@FlipDeRiviera I've been shooting video for 20 years now and I can't imagine many scenarios where ISO 12800 would be necessary for proper exposure, unless the type of content you aim for primarily takes place in the dark. Even then it's better to add light so you have control instead of raising the exposure indiscriminately.
What does the rollin shutter look like in the case of these three cameras? Do you have data on sensor read times at different frame rates and resolutions? And how do they compare to BMPCC 4K?
Hello! I have an important question that is decisive to buy this camera, it will seem silly but I want to know if it is capable of recording to an external SSD... And I am not talking about Atmos recorders but about connecting an SSD hard drive like other blackmagic cinema cameras , since most hybrid cameras can't, like the a7iv
Yeah, how about 12bit vs 10, 1500nits, BRAW...??? 12bit still huge futureproof! Sonies have some pros, for sure, but could build much better, delayed/reserved technologies for marketing - no thanks.
Correction: Sony is incompatible with the Blackmagic Video Assist regarding RAW-over-HDMI :( (Suggestion for additional tests: Get a Blackmagic Video Assist 12G HDR and record the RAW over HDMI output from the Sony cameras in BRAW. With this roundabout way you can also record to USB-C media which is something I’d never be able to give up again.)
@@DineshBhadwal With a Sony camera by itself that’s correct. Check out what a BMD Video Assist 12G does, it’s not just an HDMI recorder, if the camera can output RAW-over-HDMI like Sony’s do you can actually record third-party cameras in BRAW.
@@DineshBhadwal Do you mean that Sony’s RAW-over-HDMI is incompatible with the Video Assist to record BRAW or do you mean recording BRAW directly in the Sony camera?
I'm a colorist and I have a 6k Pro but I really like Sony's skin tones better, I'm thinking of switching to this fx30 along with an atom ninja V to shoot at 16 bit.
When the pocket gen 2 cameras came out, they were revolutionary and really quite amazing. But it’s time for Blackmagic to find a new way to innovate. Most people (people, not DP’s) would rather have autofocus and 10-bit over having RAW but in a huge camera that has so many quirks and limitations that you don’t find on the Sony’s. It seems clear that the consumer and prosumer market is being decidedly cornered by the mirrorless hybrid manufacturers, and Blackmagic needs to carve out a niche with a new product that can retain its user base. Something like a super 35 zcam with Blackmagic raw, not as limited in terms of battery, doesn’t rely on external storage solutions, with built in nd’s and PLEASE for the love of god ditch that absolute horrible design for the pocket cameras. Too big, too bulky, not ergonomic to hold in the slightest.
I think they need to ditch EF mount for RF mount (a lot more adaptable) & ditch Compact Flash media for CF Express Type A or B. Those 2 changes alone would modernize the cameras, & possibly shrink the size. It would still probably be bigger than a hybrid camera, but could be smaller than it is. I wouldn’t be opposed of a box design w/ various mounting points like the Panasonic BGH1/BSH1
@@carlyates2487 I was so tempted by it in so many ways, but I really need super good video AF, so the FX30 seems the better option. Do you have a different opinion?
@@quiztasiarocks What genre do you shoot? XH2S seems reliable for interviews or tracking shots. The only major downside I see right now is the lack of touch to track in 2022. Canon has been doing it since 2017, and the XH2S does it in stills mode. Not sure why it's not available in video.
@@quiztasiarocks Yes both Canon and Sony have vastly superior AF tracking in video, if you really need to depend on AF on a regular basis then i would not get an X-H2s. For me personally, i use AF on some shots only, the other advantages make up for that.
Sony really neutered the FX30 by not giving us a 6k resolution recording mode. It has the media speed and processor capable for it... they purposely left it out which is dumb.
You only format that a good v90 SD can’t handle on the FX3 and A7S3 is the 4K 100p XAVC SI. And that’s not possible on the fx30 anyway. So as far as I’m aware a v90 sd card will record everything the Fx30 can do
I don't know what's happens with my fx 30 compare everyone been so exciting and saying how amazing and good pro this camera is on youtube. Our studio received it a while before release. We tried it for 3 projects, and no one likes it.. We compared to the image from bmpcc, fx3, c70, komodo, even non video focused camera like Eos r5 r6.. the new fx 30 seems a very budget based camera that gives up a lot of its quality on the final video output. In a simple word, really bad... I would only use it if I'm doing non pro job, or just play for fun. It's not even good for youtuber since almost all camera I metioned above can beat it. The only advantage is probably price, this is to be honest just another a6000 or zve10 camera with fx3 shell, it's not at the same level as fx3 at all. far behind. But good for sony's profit since the price and the appearance of camera actually affect their sale over performance when in amature market.
@@zachk.5597 to be specific, the image is not as clean as fx 3, or not as sharp as bmpcc 6k, and the output is always too "digital" and some low bit rate video sort of feeling, and the crop is way too much when use high frame rate, since this is a 2022 camera, and really not that budget friendly if you compare something also new in 2022 , the fujifilm xh2s. Fx30 is only good if you already in sony eco system and can't afford another fx3. Otherwise, just go double fx3 for works. No point to purchase the fx30 for secondery camera since it's way behind fx3.
@@carlyates2487 Hi, your result is pretty accurate to be honest. However, in our experience the noise lever and image quality was way behind our expectation, we were really exciting for this new s35 super compact camera body especially after use the xh2s that is also s35 and released just not long ago of fx30. we were thinking about, well Sony can't win fuji color that's for sure, but at least give some fx3 level low light performance since it's appear exactly the same as fx3. But in reality, the low light performance, noise level is bad, image clarity is not as good as other s35 6k camera, and color won't even matching other Sony cinema camera (it's not matching fx3 or fx6, especially compare to fx6,the fx30 is way too green), and final output image looks really "digital", not due to too sharp compare to fx3,6, bmpcc is sharper but looks organic. I think fx30 is not ready to be called a "cinema" camera, it's most likely a high performance compact video camera, maybe some future firmware will give some better result, currently it's not worth the price imo, we got so many better options, newly released does't mean it's the best.
The Cine-D lab tests of the Sony cameras doesn't technically show a greater overall dynamic range just a greater dynamic range above the noise floor. The total patch size for the FX3 was only 14.6 stops where as the Pocket was 15.7; however, the FX3 has 12.4 stops at a S/N ratio of 2 and 13.6 at an S/N ratio of 1 where as the Pocket has 11.8 stops at a S/N ratio of 2 and 12.9 at a S/N ratio of 1, which means the remainder lie in the noise floor. Also remember the FX3 has noise reduction applied in camera, which is going to increase the baseline for its usable dynamic range out of camera while reducing the detail. With that said the Pocket in RAW also has highlight recovery which in certain circumstances can get one up to another stop and a half in the highlights. For things like clouds, highlight recovery is fantastically useful ; however, for skin tones the colors get a bit janky. The tests in this video showed that exact jankyness because the scene wasn't lit and exposed ideally for the pocket. The end result, in my opinion is this video gives a false impression that the pocket is the weakest of the cameras when in actuality it has better dynamic range potential if things are properly exposed for it, post noise reduction is used, and highlight recovery is used in the proper situations.
You have conducted a very important and helpful test. Many people are now choosing between FX30, BM6K and H2S. Thank you very much!
The FX30's noise doesn't look too bad at higher ISO's, and I like that the colours mostly stayed intact.
Agreed
With the pocket, iso plays big role, it should be different for different scenerios, for more DR in highlights I would choose 500-800 and for darker image 400 and below. Overall Sony likes to be overexposed and with BM it's better to espose normally or underexpose.
The same for Sony now. They implemented a new feature, now it have native ISO 800 and 2500. It will be not easy not use without internal NDs...
This test was done at ISO 400. You are completely right that you can get better highlight performance at the cost of sacrificing shadow information by raising up the ISO on the Pocket cameras
True what you said about FX3. I just wish FX3 was at least 4K DCI; 6K would have been better advantage as FF. Because, I need it minimum. I don't want UHD 4K.
@@michaelrmarak5597they added DCI 4k via firmware
Thank you for these tests. They have made me feel good about my picking up the FX30. The slight magenta shift in the FX30 from under exposure I believe can be tackled in post. Overall, the FX30 seems to perform quite well next to the FX3 and P6K Pro.
These people are still trying to market Sony cameras. All of these cameras are great if you know what you're doing. The fact is, 6k is still going to be sharper than 4k. The truth is, braw is going to give you a more detailed image. Imo, the person behind the camera is the most important issue.
@@jamescook5931 Well put .... Learn how to shoot, use light meter, you will get good results with just about any camera
The BMPCC6K and Davinci Resolve are a perfect match!. Now with image data stabalization. Make a mistake with the ISO or exposure you can still make adjustments in DR.
I throw the suggestion of a Blackmagic Video Assist in there to record BRAW via RAW-over-HDMI from the Sony cameras ;)
@@torsrive8920 Now compare the FX3 price and the BMPCC 6K pro price :)
@@torsrive8920 Okay but add the Lens, thats the most important and expensive. Expensive lens on a bmpcc 6k will worth it more than a cheap one on fx3 cause you ran out of budget...
@@torsrive8920 It depends of your preferences ig
This makes me think i should have chosen the fx30 over the Blackmagic, but i still love it!
Very good tests. In fact the sharpness of the BM stands out in all the tests I've seen. I'd like to see a test with the FX-30's external recording that goes up to 16-Bit ProResRAW to see how sharp this image is compared to BM Pro.
has anyone done this comparison yet?
@@Andythehuman47 that I know of, no
The main difference is that Pocket don't have noise reduction at all and rely on postproduction. So if you want to test noise level - you have to record RAW on Sony too (or just make a photo)
Sony better than BMPCC if you need autofocus, smaller body, IBIS and for run-n-gun use. BMPCC have much better color rendition and amazing big screen. Still wondering why Sony can't make bigger screen and using smaller one with huge borders...
You don't have to record raw on Sony to compare because it's external. But you have to do NR on post for pocket because that's the way to do it.
Yes the pocket is doing minimal noise reduction and so post production NR will work better. However the quality of the noise in the first place does matter and I find the pocket 6K sensor to have quite a bit of chroma noise at high isos which isn’t ideal.
I didn’t record raw on the sonys for multiple reasons. Firstly it wasn’t enabled on the ninja V for the FX30 yet as this was a pre-release camera. Secondly you have to add a Ninja V which is an extra cost. So wouldn’t be fair in a comparison like this to the pocket 6K.
I agree on the screens point though!
The screen. Yes I took one look at the size of the screen and pushed it back to the sales guy. Nup. It belongs on a dad cam. Big screen to shoot with. Great colour to work with. Very important or all the decisions that have to be made at the critical moments.
Sony need to use braw for win the battle again Blackmagic! We need Braw not prores Raw...
correct
With a Blackmagic Video Assist you can record BRAW via RAW-over-HDMI from the Sony cameras.
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 video assist does not support BRAW from Sony cameras.
@@GingersnapRacing thank you for the correction, that prevented me from making an expensive oopsie looking at Sony cameras for the very first time. Do you know if this incompatibility is a bug or intended behavior by the two companies? I was so happy thinking I just had to check for RAW-over-HDMI on the camera side to be able to just use a Video Assist there to also get BRAW.
Ok the FX30 is really affordable but when you're on a low budget shooting with a very light crew, the biggest need is to be able to shoot without much light in any circumstances, because it can save your film and spare you a LOT of money so I would still go with a A7S3 or an FX3 any day.
Movies like 28 Days Later and Tangerine where shot on cameras that are smaller than any regular DLSR from 6 years ago.
yea low light quality of a7S3/FX3 is impressive, I hope Sony will use same sensor from FX30 for other new apsc hybrid bodies
I don’t know of many situations where you’re going to be shooting in such low light that it’s going to be an issue. For the money saved from the FX30, you can get some good glass, lighting and audio for your projects, then the low light capability doesn’t really factor in.
If you’re mainly shooting in situations where you can’t control the light then absolutely.
it depends very much on the usage. For some the Fx3 and Fx30 are more than perfect, super cameras. But for getting a more filmlike look you better go with Blackmagic, because they Sonys tend to have a digitaly video look.
Don't get me wrong, this look can also been wantet to achieve, for a lot of videowork such as Vlogs, RUclips, filming daily life things this digital sharper look from the Sonys can be better. For Commercial, cinema and Documentary I prefer Blackmagic
It's always baffled me that Sony calls these cinema cameras yet they don't even shoot in DCI 4k and no one calls them out on it lol. I mean cinema is cinema right?
“Cinema Camera” is becoming a strange term nowadays.
I prefer to think of cameras like this as video content creation cameras. But no one likes to say that as “cinema camera” is more impressive.
In all honesty the Venice is the only Sony camera regularly used in cinema production as an A camera.
@@carlyates2487 The RUclips Crowd gave a new meaning to the word 'cinematic': shadow depth of field and flashy editing. But how often do you really see this in cinema?
They do now 😂
The “pocket” 6k is absolutely massive next to the fx3 😂. I don’t think they should call the series “pocket” anymore.
Blackmagic Tote-Bag Cinema Camera
I have 1 Sony fs7 and 1 fx3 and I can't to see me switching to BM, BRAW many guys see that RAW like another level but we have to be honest, Sony Raw, the slog 3 and the dual high ISO of Sony cameras is another thing. I have ND filter, 4096k and Cine EI since 2015 with my fs7 and now BM brings am ND filter but magenta problems in the footages and are cameras very fools in low light condition, Sony is one best leader in many options in the film industry and BM in davinci resolve and broadcast and equipment editing stuff are the best. So is much better get the best of the worlds and everybody is gonna be happy 😂. Great video Master. Cheers 🍻
I'm downloading. Update later.
Black Magic needs to bring a new body to their "pocket" line, because that form factor does not make much sense. A cube or a "mini"-mini Ursa body style would be better. The Fx3, 30 and the Sigma Fp have shown the path
dude the fp footage handheld is unusable. Sony is saved by in body stabilization, which you cant have internal nds.
@@bmefilms6879 for its price add a small gimbal and still cheaper than the Sony. But I was talking about form factor, small and "pocketable" not video specs. The Fp may be more niche due to its quirks but is a beast, nonetheless.
@@juanQuedo gimbals are a pain in the rear. In a run and gun situation, you need to be quick and in tight and moblle. your camera needs to be weighted so micro jitters aren t a thing.
I agree, I’d love to see a new form factor from Blackmagic. Just look at the size difference in the thumbnail of this video!
@@bmefilms6879 i alwasy shoot hand held its amazing. Just some light stabilisation in davinci and its great.
I see people getting Sony but I just think blackmagic should not be added here only because is a camera for a different type of user.
I am a Sony shooter ( A7iv ) and also own a pocket 6k and I see myself only using Sony when size is relevant but for everything else the black magic is superior, BRAW is also a joy to work with and you have so much flexibility in post.
I’m a underwater cinematographer and color change at depth due to the lack of light so adjusting your WB every 5-10ft is a must do but having the flexibility of changing WB in post with the pocket 6k is great.
10 bit is not enough to bring color back when diving 200ft deep
There’s auto wb on the Sonys along with much better autofocus, battery life, and in the case of the FX3, better high iso performance. It seems to me that Sony makes a better camera for your needs.
I'm out of the topic here, but just out of curiosity, what underwater housing do you use with the pocket 6k? I'm searching some options for myself
@@Murilo_Resende the By the time I was searching I tried getting something less expensive but couldn’t find anything reliable so end up getting Nauticam and now I am happy I did because I can use the same ports and focus ring with the housing for the R5C
sorry I just saw the free viewfinder on the pocket 6k pro at 2100 and whimpered a little bit since I bought mine at launch. great comparison
The image from bmpcc6kpro is way better than the fx3 or fx30
for sure
FX3 is obviously going to win by miles due to it being full frame. can you test FX30 against similarly priced aps-c cameras instead? such as the X-H2s, and the A7iv in crop mode.
Yes, like I said at the beginning of this video I aim to do exactly that. However for the one day I had to make this test, the only relevant cameras available in our showroom were the fx3 and pocket 6K
The dynamic range distribution changes depending on which iso setting you are on, it seems that you were somewhere at iso 400 or below with the blackmagic? To distribute the stops for overexposure, you need to be at a higher iso, barely under the second native iso, like 1600, but below 3200 (2nd native iso). There is a nice graph of the distribution of the dynamic range stops at different iso values if you google it.
This I did not know. So ideal shooting is just below 3200?
So there are basically two separate circuits for the two sets of native ISOs. For the pocket 4k, the second “stage” starts at 1250 and ends at 6400, though the “native” being 3200.(that doesn't matter because you can change the iso values in resolve within the stage’s range) and changing to the second ISO stage MOVES the entire dynamic range down, so the highlights are more likely to be clipping with similar exposures, but you get more stops in the shadows. So technically you should use the first stage ISOs(100-1000) to get the most stops above 0ev. There’s a very clear chart on blackmagic’s website showing how selecting the two different native ISOs shifts your dynamic range.
Shooting at or below 1000 gives you the most dynamic range, but if the image gets too noisy, use 1250 or above to get a much cleaner shadow. You don’t always need the full DR.
@@zechenwei1139 got it. Thanks for the info. I just started with BRAW and didn’t quite understand why the iso ranges allowed what they did…until you’ve explained it.
@@judnichols 🙂Glad I could help! I was also quite confused by it. Also, if you are shooting BRAW, the ISO values are only recorded as metadata. so changing your ISO within the range of each "stage" during a clip will not change the actual exposure of the video(when played back in Resolve), unless you jump between the two native ranges. That said, everything above 6400 is a different story, I believe.
It would be awesome if we see a comparison between FX30, Pocket 6k Pro and Fuji X-H2S.... and maybe Canon R7?
But please don't add something like FX3, it's a full frame camera and it doesn't make any sense to be here.
I don’t think it’s about the sensor size when deciding which cameras should be compared. I think it’s about the price point. I’d also include the gh6 and a7r4
Must make use of dual iso on the pocket, then it would be no problem to overexpose and then go back -4EV
Best test, as no one is really is going to be shooting at those crazy ISO levels, is just line up each camera, shoot a brief scene that is properly exposed and graded, then let everyone know why the Blackmagic image is superior to the Sony.
The best compare i'v seen.
Fx30 and pocket 6k are kinda the same bit different, if u want best quality for the dollar u go with the pocket and an external SSD to record that sweet braw but the fx30 u can slap on that cheap 18-105mm f.4 pz and run and gun full autofocus no sweat, they are both cheap workhorses but for slightly different work, I would give an edge to the Sony for the lens selection, af and because u can always put a ninja on it to get your good codec but u can't make the pocket compact and have good battery+ af
But the 6k pro it's a different talk
FX30 is APS-C, while 6KPro is Super35. Advantage goes to FF Fx3.
i would like to see the high iso tests redone on the 6k in raw at 6k instead of hobbling it in prores at 4k
That is so CVP. Not surprised.
My reasoning for choosing Prores wasn’t to “hobble” the camera. It was that RAW would only be worth doing if we were trying to get the best image possible by applying noise reduction in post. Instead we wanted the best image the camera was capable of providing straight out of camera.
FX3 any day.
That amazing full frame sensor makes all the difference with higher dynamic range and much superior low light performance. Rolling shutter performance is incredibly good and have a better signal to noise ratio, image is super clean even at 12800.
It’s a brilliant camera and the only Netflix approved of the bunch which says a lot.
You get what you pay for.
I agree, It’s the camera of the 3 here I would choose as well. However it does cost a lot more and I think it’s very impressive how well both the fx30 and pocket 6K do in different areas.
FX3 is the KING!
p.s. we don't care about what netflix approved or not
So true!
I love the choices Sony gives us, & body size/weight, FX3 for videography, a7S3 for hybrid use, both compact enough for travel/hobby
What do you think about the FX30 versus the GH6? The GH6 is on sale now for the same price too!
What camera would you suggest for podcasting. I’m wanting a nice camera. Looking at similar prices to these cameras
Thanks, great review.
Great video, would love to see FX30 vs A7 IV
i love my FX30, i think the crop is the only thing i realy hate about it, or maybe in Prores Raw the 6k to 4.7k downsampling, thanks Sony, now Release a FX3 Sline Quattro with FF and 6K without throttle
Never underestimate the importance of that huge screen on the back of the BM.
It makes shooting quality footage easy.
You need to see what you are shooting. You need to feel the impact of your composition.
There are many technical differences and similarities but is it a joy to rock? The massive BM screen makes shooting compelling, and is the reason why the camera has such a superb user interface.
The Pocket 6K doesn’t have less DR, it is just distributed differently. Shoot the P6K at 1000ISO and enjoy more DR in the highlights.
Yes, like I said in the video, this is a non-scientific test which only shows one part of the picture. These tests were done at ISO 400
Sir which camera should I purchase for making feature film and music video album ?
Question on 8:30 mark about th dynamic range, at what iso this was shooting? I ask because blackmagic cameras are tircky in the way they use the dunamic range for example i will shoot at iso 1250 on +4 stops and iso 400 or 3200 on -4 stops for better results since this is where they suggest on their offcial charts. And sony cameras has no indication on dynamic range interpretation on the camera so best is use native for those i guess
This was a rather interesting comparison. The FX30 looks great on paper, but real world use, it’s quite a bit different than the FX3. I’ve got a bunch of FE lenses, but would need to go out and buy new aps-c lenses to use with FX30, esp at the wide end. Do u think the FX3 will ever go on sale?
Why can't you use the same lenses?
@@johanbraanen2108 You absolutely can use FF lenses on the FX30. FF lenses will obviously be larger and heavier, but I regularly use my 12-24 and 20mm with my ZVE-10 with ZERO issues whatsoever.
Sony needs to make a new Alpha camera based on the FX30 sensor ASAP. Hopefully, it will have a great viewfinder along with everything else that is good about the FX30.
It won't happen. Alpha line is different from cineline. But I surely hope they can build a 4k60p 10 bit log crop alpha, but I won't expect cine ei, top handle with audio controls, focus breathing control or depth mash like fx30. Probably 1 sd card only too
Wouldnt that be A7IV? Has a crop and EVF.
@@dathofilms that's ff camera. needs to be crippled more
If you dont see the noise at minute 11, switch the playback to 4k. Then youtubes smoothing isnt that hard.
It's so funny they call that a pocket cinema camera with that sizs
fx 3 and fx 30 footage looka like photography camara . blackmagic looks a real film camara . you do not see this difference?
FX3 is by far a superior camera.
Higher dynamic range, much better low light performance and signal to noise ratio, much faster rolling shutter performance, ability to shoot swallower depth of field, among many others features.
It’s not. They’re pretty close tbh….
Exactly, the FX3 has a much superior sensor. Full frame makes all the difference. And it’s Netflix approved which says a lot.
@@davidmurray5926
FX3 has 15+ stops of DR compared to only 14 on the FX30. Rolling shutter performance of the FX3 is much faster also, the FX30 doesn’t even come close, not even talking about the low light performance at 12800.
That’s why the massive price tag difference, FX3 has an amazing full frame sensor.
It’s a fact, not an opinion.
@@FlipDeRiviera p.s. we don't care about what netflix approved or not. relax
@@FlipDeRiviera I've been shooting video for 20 years now and I can't imagine many scenarios where ISO 12800 would be necessary for proper exposure, unless the type of content you aim for primarily takes place in the dark. Even then it's better to add light so you have control instead of raising the exposure indiscriminately.
Hello, I would like to know which camera did you use to make this video. Thank you very much.
what lens would you choose for the FX30?
Nobody is able to help you with a question this broad.
Do you have a compatarive video like this betwen fx3, r5 and r5c and if dont, which camera do you think its better for video??? Thankyou my friend!!!
Sony FX 30 india Rupees ? Launching date
What does the rollin shutter look like in the case of these three cameras? Do you have data on sensor read times at different frame rates and resolutions? And how do they compare to BMPCC 4K?
the rolling shutter is bad with the 6K. I have an A7siii and 6K pro. The two are worlds apart on rolling shutter.
Hello! I have an important question that is decisive to buy this camera, it will seem silly but I want to know if it is capable of recording to an external SSD... And I am not talking about Atmos recorders but about connecting an SSD hard drive like other blackmagic cinema cameras , since most hybrid cameras can't, like the a7iv
It cant
The FX30 can’t record onto a USB-C ssd drive I’m afraid.
Would you recommend the FX30 or BM6K Pro for live streaming for church ? It’s a small church would be 1 camara set up.
Neither
Yeah, how about 12bit vs 10, 1500nits, BRAW...??? 12bit still huge futureproof!
Sonies have some pros, for sure, but could build much better, delayed/reserved technologies for marketing - no thanks.
Correction: Sony is incompatible with the Blackmagic Video Assist regarding RAW-over-HDMI :(
(Suggestion for additional tests: Get a Blackmagic Video Assist 12G HDR and record the RAW over HDMI output from the Sony cameras in BRAW. With this roundabout way you can also record to USB-C media which is something I’d never be able to give up again.)
You cannot shoot BRAW on Sony Cameras.
@@DineshBhadwal With a Sony camera by itself that’s correct. Check out what a BMD Video Assist 12G does, it’s not just an HDMI recorder, if the camera can output RAW-over-HDMI like Sony’s do you can actually record third-party cameras in BRAW.
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 We have a petition going on. Consider signing it if you are that eager. As for now, BRAW is not available for Sony cameras.
@@DineshBhadwal Do you mean that Sony’s RAW-over-HDMI is incompatible with the Video Assist to record BRAW or do you mean recording BRAW directly in the Sony camera?
What about the Panasonic s5?
Nice test! I'm a sony fan, but it seems that the BM6k renders the skin better..What do you think?
That’s my normal assumption for the two brands yes, although the gap is getting closer with recent releases.
I'm a colorist and I have a 6k Pro but I really like Sony's skin tones better, I'm thinking of switching to this fx30 along with an atom ninja V to shoot at 16 bit.
As a bmpcc4k shooter, BRAW is SOOOO great
does anyone know what microphone capsule it is being used in this video?
When the pocket gen 2 cameras came out, they were revolutionary and really quite amazing. But it’s time for Blackmagic to find a new way to innovate. Most people (people, not DP’s) would rather have autofocus and 10-bit over having RAW but in a huge camera that has so many quirks and limitations that you don’t find on the Sony’s. It seems clear that the consumer and prosumer market is being decidedly cornered by the mirrorless hybrid manufacturers, and Blackmagic needs to carve out a niche with a new product that can retain its user base. Something like a super 35 zcam with Blackmagic raw, not as limited in terms of battery, doesn’t rely on external storage solutions, with built in nd’s and PLEASE for the love of god ditch that absolute horrible design for the pocket cameras. Too big, too bulky, not ergonomic to hold in the slightest.
I think they need to ditch EF mount for RF mount (a lot more adaptable) & ditch Compact Flash media for CF Express Type A or B. Those 2 changes alone would modernize the cameras, & possibly shrink the size. It would still probably be bigger than a hybrid camera, but could be smaller than it is. I wouldn’t be opposed of a box design w/ various mounting points like the Panasonic BGH1/BSH1
Blackmagic makes cinema cameras, This Is they target.
I never do footage that is 4 stops underexposed. Since that's the case, shouldn't I use Sigma FPs?
Why the sigmas?
@@carlyates2487 Full frame, raw footage, very low price.
Is the fx30 using the exact same autofocus system as the fx3 ?
Yes it is
The question is: FX30 or A 7 IV?
I will try to test that once we get our production unit.
Lumix s5 should be there, same price range. Gh6 is worst
FX30 basically killed the GH6. Although it lacks all the assist features that Panasonic is famous for.
I'd choose the X-H2s even if a little bit pricier, better image, colors and dynamic range than any of these
if only the AF was reliable
The X-H2s is a fantastic camera
@@carlyates2487 I was so tempted by it in so many ways, but I really need super good video AF, so the FX30 seems the better option. Do you have a different opinion?
@@quiztasiarocks What genre do you shoot? XH2S seems reliable for interviews or tracking shots. The only major downside I see right now is the lack of touch to track in 2022. Canon has been doing it since 2017, and the XH2S does it in stills mode. Not sure why it's not available in video.
@@quiztasiarocks Yes both Canon and Sony have vastly superior AF tracking in video, if you really need to depend on AF on a regular basis then i would not get an X-H2s. For me personally, i use AF on some shots only, the other advantages make up for that.
I think - FX30 wins
Sony really neutered the FX30 by not giving us a 6k resolution recording mode. It has the media speed and processor capable for it... they purposely left it out which is dumb.
i want that FX30 but the coast type a media cost 🤦🏽♂
You only format that a good v90 SD can’t handle on the FX3 and A7S3 is the 4K 100p XAVC SI. And that’s not possible on the fx30 anyway. So as far as I’m aware a v90 sd card will record everything the Fx30 can do
@@carlyates2487 👍🏾
that pocket 6k looks like ca camel's pocket.
I don't know what's happens with my fx 30 compare everyone been so exciting and saying how amazing and good pro this camera is on youtube. Our studio received it a while before release. We tried it for 3 projects, and no one likes it.. We compared to the image from bmpcc, fx3, c70, komodo, even non video focused camera like Eos r5 r6.. the new fx 30 seems a very budget based camera that gives up a lot of its quality on the final video output. In a simple word, really bad...
I would only use it if I'm doing non pro job, or just play for fun. It's not even good for youtuber since almost all camera I metioned above can beat it. The only advantage is probably price, this is to be honest just another a6000 or zve10 camera with fx3 shell, it's not at the same level as fx3 at all. far behind. But good for sony's profit since the price and the appearance of camera actually affect their sale over performance when in amature market.
What did you not like about it
Interesting. What did you think of the results from my test here? Did they match with what you were seeing?
@@zachk.5597 to be specific, the image is not as clean as fx
3, or not as sharp as bmpcc 6k, and the output is always too "digital" and some low bit rate video sort of feeling, and the crop is way too much when use high frame rate, since this is a 2022 camera, and really not that budget friendly if you compare something also new in 2022 , the fujifilm xh2s. Fx30 is only good if you already in sony eco system and can't afford another fx3. Otherwise, just go double fx3 for works. No point to purchase the fx30 for secondery camera since it's way behind fx3.
@@carlyates2487 Hi, your result is pretty accurate to be honest. However, in our experience the noise lever and image quality was way behind our expectation, we were really exciting for this new s35 super compact camera body especially after use the xh2s that is also s35 and released just not long ago of fx30.
we were thinking about, well Sony can't win fuji color that's for sure, but at least give some fx3 level low light performance since it's appear exactly the same as fx3.
But in reality, the low light performance, noise level is bad, image clarity is not as good as other s35 6k camera, and color won't even matching other Sony cinema camera (it's not matching fx3 or fx6, especially compare to fx6,the fx30 is way too green), and final output image looks really "digital", not due to too sharp compare to fx3,6, bmpcc is sharper but looks organic.
I think fx30 is not ready to be called a "cinema" camera, it's most likely a high performance compact video camera, maybe some future firmware will give some better result, currently it's not worth the price imo, we got so many better options, newly released does't mean it's the best.
X-h2s wins
Auto focus lol
6k pro should improve...
From what I know 6k, 6k g2 and 6k pro has the same sensor. The difference should be when usiing different iso's for different scenerios.
FX3 is the KING!