BigDWiz actually my 1st system in the 90s was the Boss Audio Chaos Series that has the Clear Plexiglass on it and was a killer amp back then..but later in 2008 I return in car audio I bought the Boss Audio Phantom Series and was a ok system for me..2-12's Phantom subs in a Prefabricated box in a Boss PH-3000.1D and for the mids an highs a PH-2000.4! know I'm going all the way with Rockford P1000x5
mike kotecki_brew city bass . my friend had one of them "high power" planet audio's. I have it now, sitting in an almost melted pile. It's just to look and laugh at now
Hey hi big d, im doing a system the front consist of cdt hd as, I was shocked how good it sounds also bought the cdt e0 o2, midrange /tweeter, the hd62 as comes with the main tweeter and image tweeter which you place on top corner of windshield, rear doors are going with vibe sa60 audiophile, they don't make them any more, and for trunk area another with the morel mdt12 tweeter, it's a 2012 subaru forester, sorry for this book lol, the question is how good are those subwoofers you have can they be used as a audiophile subwoofer,is the qts below .40
Generally speaking, putting car audio stickers on your car is just like saying 'Rob this car!'...but putting that Boss sticker on your car would have the opposite effect.
We do a smaller version of this amp in our 5 o'clock special subwoofer combo package. Reliability wise, we never get them back. It would be nice if they did not over rate them like they do. For the price and performance, people might take it more serious. They are not bad little amps.
Hell, if they named this amp "AR-1000D" it would still be legit (won't deliver a 1000w of clean power, but will still do more than 1000w uncertified or dynamic), and if they actually put rated RMS power in the manuals for all the ohm loads.. well, let's say 400w in 4 ohms, 700w in 2 ohms, and 1000w in 1 ohm, that would have been an amazing deal for 100 bucks.
true but ull prob fry it 3 months down the line and thats if your vehicle doesnt catch fire first lol My aunts husband was running one in his escalade and that thing caught fire the good thing is his kid wasnt in the his truck because usually shes in the rear seats but that day he was rolling alone and that thing caught fire like a mutha.
You should have like a leader board for most watts per buck.. like Top Gear does for their track times for each car.. doesn't say anything about quality of build bit maybe a "long term torture test" could be developed.. like put it on a 4 ohm dummy load for a month see how long it survives?
I've blown my JL RD 1000/1 I had this Boss amp sitting in my garage....I hooked it up 2 years ago to my single Alpine type X 12".....and it's still kicking ass!!! Lol.
true dat, lol and BigD that picture in picture head shake about rocking the decal made a little pepsi come out my nose, lol Even cats running Boss don't sport the decals
+Bob Snow I agree it is MUCH nicer looking than most amps out there. Back in the day, the amp's heatsink design was a priority. These days it seems to be an afterthought.
BigDWiz to I loved the 1st gen Mtx Thunder amps, but someone liked my 2300 more then me 😢 still have the 2160' 240, & 4160. Be using them on my next install would like another 2160 and 2300. P.s. Love what you do for us car audio crowd. Enjoy the dyno tests. You also give us your take on the sound quality.
That's exactly what a real audio custom installer home or shop would do too. Or do like I did when I was 16 and I had some white coned realistic speakers and went to the stereo store and stole the BOSE tags off the speaker grills and pinned them to my grills on those poopy realistics. lol. People were stupid fooled just believing what they saw and bragged all over the school... Nifty got those Bose 12's yo!!!!! lololol. If you are truly unique you would use no brand name and make your own brand name and put it on everything you own like red hot sauce. My name back then for installation and comp was Vigorous Sounds. I ripped all tags off every speaker dust cap and magnet as well as the amps and repainted and relabeled into my color scheme and name. This isn't a Boss ride or a Rockford ride it's fkn Vigorous Sounds mufuckaaaaaaa!! lol.
I'm currently running the first model of the Boss Phantom series A/B 2ch.1500-"3000 watts" max bridged. Paired with the "2300" watt Phantom 12's and they bang pretty hard for over 4yrs of daily bumpin.
I have a Boss 1600 watt 2 channel(bridged) pushing a 1500 watt 15" sub strongly. I've had it for 4 years and it's still going strong and has never over heated. I've read alot of reviews bc people say Boss amps suck. In general people seem overall happier with the 2 channel vs mono-blocks. Mine seems alot closer to the actual numbers specified. Would love to see a dyno of a 2 channel to compare with the mono-block.
I used to work for a small shop where Boss was the biggest brand we could get legitimately. This is back in 1995 when they were almost unknown. At the time, they seemed to be wanting to compete with the larger brands and had a pro line as well as offer a base line. Their pro stuff was rock sold and I'd even say the ratings were accurate. Their base line stuff was exaggerated, but similar to this review. The price was so good that people forgave it. And honestly, all of our customers were very happy. We were able to set people up with a very loud system for under $500 using a "600w" Boss amp and a pair of Earthquake Annihilator subs installed. That was cheap in the day. They always came back to us saying how they kept up with people who had $1000 systems. We never tried to convince people that their amps were top end stuff, just a good value. And comparing the Boss amps to other cheap brands (Pyramid, Power Acoustik, Rockwood, etc.) at the time, Boss came out way ahead. I have always thought that Boss had many good heatsink designs through the years. Particularly the AVA-600M or AVA-400M. Oh and I still have a couple of those amps from 1995 and they still work perfectly. Sadly, I can't say that about a lot of the Rockford/Soundstream/Phoenix Gold amps I have.
love your channel, found it along time ago when looking for info on my US AMPS 100A and wondered about the boss line up. you saved alot of people time with this video, very detailed information great job as always!
that's whats always pissed me off about boss amps... they always make up some number that would never happen even if u put enough power to this amp to catch it on fire... if it were branded as a 1200 watt amp I would buy it and even give boss a good review but they always try to pull some shit and it makes the people who just start out in the audio game look stupid when they tell an audio veteran about their 4000 watt amp for under a hundred dollars... knowing that they are willing to lie about their amp specs so blatantly its also affected my opinions about all of their products like single and double din stereos and speakers but I remember a time when the dollar per watt was so much higher that we would've chopped a toe off to pay less than a hundred dollars for 1400 watts at 1 ohm
+The hair on your screen I let Boss off easy, should have done a rant like I did on the Belva amp. I agree the MAX numbers are ridiculous and only confuses the consumer. Hopefully this video helps get the truth out
yeah, pretty obvious bullshit (even if the brand name was obscured and you only saw the specs and fuses, simple math tells you it couldn't possibly even reach HALF the claimed power.
If anyone remembers Pyramid speakers and amps they were the worst. It sucked that Boss would be put in the same class as them too. I always felt bad for Boss on that tip.
I think for anyone new to the game would know to look at specs and learn what to look for. Anyone even when I bought my Boss amp at age 16 I knew better to tell nobody especially the JL audio and Rockford or PPI heads. NOPE. I just pulled up and banged just as good our louder than they had. My ugly ass car has hoes hopping in no problem. lol.
I have a newer 1500 watt BOSS. It pushes my 12'' Boston G3 no problem for $60 I consider it worth it. If I had to guess it's probably 375-400 rms at 2ohms
Tyler Padgett I also have a newer 1500 watt boss amp I would say it’s much closer to 200 Watts it struggles to push my 12” kicker cvx I’m upgrading to the 3000 watt boss amp and am hoping it will be in the 500-700 watt rms range
Nice vid man! If the manufactures would just state true numbers, they wouldn't see such bad reviews. Over 1k @ 1ohm for $100, hard to argue with that. Even if the parts are not above average grade. Should be an (AR1500.1)
Bj Hammon everybody who's paid any attention to the car audio scene knows what's up with boss at this point, least they should anyway. i personally don't mind cheap equipment- it serves a purpose. Even with that tho I'd probably recommend this amp after watching his test, those are some good numbers for $80-90 bucks. specially considering how expensive car audio can get.
Rico K -100% on that one mane 👌🏾 To each his own I say. Sometimes people wanna spend top shelf and sometimes they don't. There's plenty of options out there. People are just caught up in the "youtube hype", thinking they need the biggest, baddest car audio to beat. Farthest from the truth. I've built, seen and heard systems from both ends of the spectrum. It's a preference in the end. I love them all, but like seeing budget systems over high-end any day. If you hook it up right and put it in descent inclosure, it's gonna bang.
Derek, I decided to order this amp today, 2/7/20, based on your review. I didn't pay $85.00 you paid, as Amazon's price went up to $114.95. But I wound up paying $109.95 for it on Walmart.com, which still seemed like a pretty good deal, even though it was a bit more than I wanted to spend. I watched several of your amp dynos, as well as many of Budget Gems. Despite the fact that Boss grossly exaggerates, and sensationalized their ratings with their fictitious figures, I found I was quite hard pressed to find an amp actual dyno tested figures of power this high for $100. The watts per dollar in the neighborhood of 950 + watts dynamically at 2 ohms looks pretty hard to beat. And nothing beats the validated research you do, and dyno results. I'm thinking this should drive my two JBL 12" subs, at 4 ohms each for a final 2 ohm load quite nicely. Interested in hearing your thoughts and opinions on that. I was also impressed with your thoughts on the build quality, and the fact you had a hard time destroying a Boss, short of dropping shreds of copper wires inside of the chassis. That in itself speaks volumes of what one might anticipate in terms of an amps durability, and longevity. I considered many amps, and found a few that did come close, but went up in price dramatically since being dynoed. One in particular was the Walmart in store stock Power Acoustic amp for $69 when dynoed by Budget Gems, which is now almost $100.00 in store. No doubt retailers like Amazon and Walmart are watching these dynos, and marking up their price. In any case, I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your videos, and how influential, and helpful they are for us naive consumers out here, who are quite easily duped by market strategy, deception, and baloney some of these snake oil salespeople will try to have us believe. At least those of us armed with knowledge you provide can make educated choices, and find value for our hard earned dollar. For that sir, I thank you for all your efforts.
A guy came to my shop with 2 of those "monsters" and 2 boss "2300watt" 12s he thought it banged. And was the loudest setup on the block.AAAnd it sounded like crap especially with the gain up all the way also on one battery rip off red top. 1000ca. And don't forget the box was one big rattle trap. His voltage drop tremendously were the car wanted to shut off. But after I redid the wiring with stinger 1/0 to the And for the big 3/4 also reinforced his box with some dail rods and a extra baffle. I also added a XS power D1200 in the back. Did the speaker wire as well (12gauge Rockford fosgate) each amp was tuned with a DD1 and gain match with a CC1. The system actually surprised the heck out of me according my to APM-1 he meter A 143db sealed. So it's loud for the price he paid. Boss maybe knocked but in the right box and tuned correctly it can bang That goes for any manufacturer. It's up to the installed to make it awesome.
djbz bruce-zabala that is very true back in the 90s people knew I could hook up stereos and they would always bring me a bunch of crap. I would hook it up and surprise everybody how good it ended up sounding.
For $100, this amp is not a bad deal at all though 1400w dynamic for that price. But there are better budget options out there, such as the Pioneer GM-D9601
Best amp under $200. Its basically a JBL GTX500 that goes to 1 ohm which the JBL can't. This Boss though beats that JBL when running 1 ohm and both were priced similarly. Keep in mind that this Boss is 58.5% efficient running it like you see in this video (at least going by my math I could be wrong) where that JBL will around 80%. 160 amps and 13.7v at 100% efficiency would be 2192 watts. This is only seeing 1425 watts. At 80% efficiency you would get 1753 watts which is realistic for a better quality amp. You will not get an amp like this for even close to $100 though.
Which just goes to show ya, if your amp is equipped with fuses, rule of thumb is every 10 amps will be.. normally in any given situation good for a 100watts :) Distortion is always give or take pertaining to brand/ make.
the last couple videos ive seen its like hey this things sucks but its a GREAT DEAL. no thanks. lets see something that is GREAT at an accessible price.
Probably did. The Armor 1600D version used to be under $60 Canadian on Amazon and went to well over $100 over the course of a few weeks. Guess it was selling well so they just kept creeping up the price.
I dunno. I think I'd go with sounds "balanced". Boss is usually third rate now. Seems like Boss, Planet Audio, Dual, and Blaupunkt are oddly similar now.
+BoomZoom808 I do these reviews for you guys, not the mfg's...even though Some want me to, I prefer to stay independent. You guys help me out by watching, sharing and using my links for eBay/Amazon. Helps me buy the stuff I test for you. I'm not doing this to get rich, doing it for the love 👍
I love boss. It's cheap stuff but great for first time installers, extra budget friendly installs. Have always been satisfied by the price quality ratio for boss just did my nephew's first sound system with a boss amp and he smiles from ear to ear now.
The purpose of this video may have been misunderstood. It wasn't really to bash Boss, but to show what you should expect from a 4kW rated amp for $100. In all honesty, it's a ton of amp for the money and perfect for the budget conscious. You can always upgrade when the funds allow.
256 watts total at 1 ohm. You have to realize it's not 120 amp it's rated for. It's only 40 amps. Cuz anytime anything over 40 amps runs across any one of those 3 fuses it's gonna pop a fuse if it's continuous.
Hey Big D. I bought 2 Boss audio Armor 4,000 watt amp because of you. I trust what you say and I enjoy your videos. I strapped my two AR 4,000 together and wired my two Audiopipe Txx BDC 15s down to 1 ohm and I have to say Big D !!! You are right!!! Not bad for the price. These subs are frickin slammin with two amps strapped and two amps for only $200 bucks a person really can't go wrong. I'm happy with AR 4,000 for the price. Thanks for your honesty.
Keep in mind that when strapped together the minimum impedance changes from 1 ohm to 2 ohm. You say your wired down to one ohm, but I think in reality you're amplifiers are not seeing a signal below 2 ohm due to box rise or impedance rise. The AC impedance is always going to be higher than your measured DC resistance.
Whoa - the box says 4000W PEAK POWER instead of max - are these manufacturers attempting to change marketing tactics (slightly)??? My guess was 850-900W dynamic into 1 ohm, 700-800W RMS non-cert into 1 ohm. So it did so better then my guesstimate, making me quite pleased to see the results. In terms of assembly, it does look like some of these Chinese makes are attempting to step up the game a bit (though I'd like to see a wider sampling before I commit to that). But it's still a lousy move to market a 1400W Dynamic power amp as a 4000W amp (be it peak, max, etc.). I'd be ecstatic to pay $85 for this amp if it had 900W label. Heck, I'd be just as happy if it had a 1400W Dynamic label. Not to mention, I'd be significantly less apprehensive. That's what I wish many of these manufacturers would learn...
Randy Hunt Really?! Oh jezzz. I'm being facicous if your not getting my point - I am aware that peak and max are interchangeable. My comment was it was a different TACTIC (strategy) then the usual MAX label used by marketing companies.
To be fair though - For people that even somewhat know what they're doing (IE: Watching BidDWiz's amp reviews) they will likely stay away from these sorts of brands (Pyle, Planet Audio, Boss, etc..) in the first place. The company most likely gets more sales due to individuals who do no research and are just looking at big numbers for a low price (there's a LOT of those people compared to those who do their homework). I get your point though, if they were more honest I'd definitely be more willing to purchase their gear.
I have always seen it as peak. Max apparently has been used as well and I know max and peak are the same. I really wanted this particular amp to be a gem but long term use caused it to shit. Still don't know what happened to it but it got hot and went into protect then never worked again.
Everytime you give a cheap amp a good review as it comes close or surpasses it watts claim. Amazon and Ebay crank up the price. Personally I have 3 amps because of your videos. u have the best car audio channel on utube Keep up the good work
Build quality was better than expected. I was expecting poor fitment, cheap feeling and lacking bass. I was pleasantly surprised as my low expectations were apparently too low...
Sucks that Boss started out great, being made by ZED, then ending up as low buck gear. Gotta admit though, the guts look like it's pretty well made. Overall, not a bad little amp for a rookie. Great video BigD!! 👌
No shit?. Like I said, there are many people like him and there are superior design patents today than his. Enthusiasts have way over glorified his companies brand.
Pimphand Gamester Not saying his designs are the best. But what once were the brands he made amps for are garbage today, compared to what they used to be. Everyone has there preferences. Me personally, I'm a PPI guy anyway.
As an individual that has put aftermarket stereo systems in his car since the age of 18, I'm 35 now and I can tell you the main things you look for in amps are: it being "D class" and it being a monoblock.
I've been waiting for a video like this to show the real numbers.. I had this amp when it first came out and it sounded great and pushed pretty hard. at the time I was getting a reliable 800 watts out of it pushing 4 cheapo 10s in my truck. it was an awesome sounding budget system
I had one and was running two polk momo 12's in a ported box and two old xplode 12's in a sealed box, in a 2000 grand Cherokee, my rear window used to Flex a lot actually
I think your generous on the 15V assumption. Granted some people do run 16V for better performance, but all car alternators are 15V Ice cold, to 14.4V expected Voltage to 13.8V hot, with internal regulator. So I hope no one runs a large system without the car on. LOL. Still I would give this amp a generous 1656 watt rating at it's lowest possible Ohm rating. Myself I owned a good Boss amp over 20 years ago, it came with a 6 year warranty, and it actually held up. Eventually it suffered from vibration damage.
Had a boss amp in high school. It banged for a couple months then a cooler tipped over in my trunk and spilled water all over it...rip...lol...upgraded to soundstream and never looked back. Surprised boss is still around 20 years later! Top of the line for flea market amps in my opinion...
Yeah it's alot easier to get a larger voltage drop the higher the voltage you have to run it. If I remember correctly their amps are 200 volts! The cool thing is you can shock the shit out of someone on your door handles. lolol.
+shawn hilton I really need to get some subs hooked up and wired at 1 ohm so I can really give these amps a true test with subs after the Dyno test. My 4 ohm Infinity Perfect sub barely makes them sweat
I have a Boss 3500 watt amp similar to this to this for the past 8 years. Still running strong pushing two MTX 12" subs that shake my doors at only %50 power.
It blows my mind that this is #1 on mono amp in amazon... But i guess i get it. They design is clean and the build will get you by. Like you said perfect for a noob. I had a Sound Storm lab ab-class 2000w and it was made by boss. It put out some bang but it wasn't the cleanest watts and clipped very easy and got hot as hell. I beat the shit out of it though. Good for starters
If I bought 9 of these amps for the price of one Rockford T1500.1bdcp... I think the dude with just the one T1500.1bdcp would fkn cry when you turn up the system and watch those cones fry!!!!
#1 on amazon probably cause of the price point and so many people just wanting a decent budget system. for $100 give or take afew bucks its definitely not a bad buy if your broke or just wanr a little bump and dont care about competition level setups for the 1000s and 1000s they cost. Makes sense its the #1 selling amp
When boss first came out I had a small 250 watt that was pushing 2 10inch tubes and it was more than enough. I wired for mono and took out 1 tube when I started getting indigestion from the bass bouncing the acid in my stomach up.
at around 5:20 BIG D is asking how much? mi guess was 800 watts RMS and yes at 1 ohm and surprisingly it did more. i have a ARMOR 2500 and i think it hits around 350 watts RMS it is a good amp for the price it would be nice if they would put the real RMS value on there amp.which BIG D would test one ; )
3 of these on 6 12's would do some SPL! I love budget stuff! I have probably watched this video 10 times. Its never disappointing! LOVE BUDGET STUFF!!!
+Jeffrey Barton You're right. Running 1 ohm on these boss amps will over heat and kick in and out of protection mode. If you do use a boss for hours just fold down the seats and crack the windows and viola.
Running at one ohm kills all amps faster than 2ohm. It's like red lining an engine while driving every time, all drive long. Further heat, vibration, age, and moisture are the demise of all electronics.
I was right there with ya Big D thinkin this thing is gonna be hilarious, I was surprisingly shocked also, not enough to purchase one, but yeah that flea market amp is coming up in the world.
+nirrad ztnil I can't please everybody, maybe I'll eventually test something you consider a real amp. I don't currently take amps from viewers for many reasons, but this may change in the future...we'll see
BigDWiz I can see giving out your address for shipping from viewers, and potential liability claims for blowing up their vintage amps on the dyno.... not sure how to solve that last issue, but a PO box to have them ship the amps to would solve the address privacy issue.
BigDWiz bigwiz I’m a new viewer like 3 days in and I think this guy has a point. More amps that people let u Dyno the more videos means more views u will get. Change ur crazy policy !!
+indopleaser not really buy my subscriber base, but I do seem to have a lot of views based on a limited subscriber base. Tells me my subscribers are really into my vids, which I greatly appreciate 🤘
silent saucepan it is legal. They don't advertise themselves as CEA-2006 compliant which is still not much of a standard since manufacturers like to test their amps at 14.4v instead of the 13.7v you'll experience at idle.
Yep, it's 100% legal. And the car audio market isn't the only place you see these practices. Ever look at computer speakers? My servo drive Yamaha multimedia speakers where advertised as 100W "max" though the manual said 12W RMSx2. Yeah they are quite old now (but still work and sound great) - I don't think Yamaha makes computer speakers any more (too bad). Oh heck, just look at consumer home audio gear (esp the no-name brands).
Takes double the power for +3db which in loudness perception is basically just barely perceptible. So it wouldn't really matter much anyway. You can see here the real world numbers, it's a $100...what does anyone expect? It could be half the power and no one would even notice because most normal people don't max out their volume knob with correct gain settings anyway.
+Swaglife 81 thanks man! Please share with your friends. I put a lot of time and effort into my vids and although I'm VERY grateful for my current subscribers, I feel like I should have more 🤔
I bought 4 of these in the past, 3 of the caps inside blow after a while driving at 2 ohms. You'll see my review on amazon to replace them. This is a good amp for the buck, really is, and as BigDWiz says great for starter setup because that was when I had my starter setup. I had the 2000, then the 3000, then the 4000, and I actually liked these amps until they started blowing those caps. But in reality if you want power just dish out the money ahead of time and get good amps and good power. As with any amp make sure you have enough power to push these, you don't need much extra especially if you just have 1 amp, a HO alternator and maybe a second battery.
I had this amp way back in the day on one t1 15 at 1 ohm. I knew it wouldn't do near rated but thought for the price why not. I haven't watched the video yet but I shall see shortly. Love what you do man!
For the money I'm not disappointed. It pushed my one RF t1 15 well. This video makes me want to snag another to push my treo ssi 10.22, not too bad. Thank you sir.
Thanks for the video! I like that you call it like it is. It might be cheap but for $100 bucks is a good deal and the build quality is decent. Thanks again!
I have to say.. Boss are surprisingly good for a budget brand! I'm quite impressed with the way it protects there too! I've kept an old Boss Audio amp for years, it claims 160w x2 or 320w bridged to 4Ohms.. It does nowhere near that but really is 2Ohm stereo stable! Protected by a 20A fuse it does seem to put out more than 80WRMS per channel! Had it mounted on my wall for a while driving two pairs of speakers, running from a switchmode PSU, only giving it 12v but the brick was capable of 203 Watts (guess what brick i used!) and certainly made the neighbours complain.. The speakers were a pair of 8Ohm 8" Acoustic Solutions Powerforce 1000s (i think) and a pair of Mission 750 Anniversary edition (6Ohm) which sounded surprisingly good! Helps it was driven by a rather good sound card too. I also replaced the mediocre 4558D op-amp preamps for NE5532s. Only 'issue' with the amp is...it's pink!
I just got a Boss R2000M mono block amp that's rated 2000 peak and 1500 RMS to power 2 12" Boss CXX12 subs rated at 1000 watt peak and 500 RMS. Paid just shy of $120 all together. They aren't winning any sound comps by any means, but for that kind of price, I really can't complain about their performance.
Thank you for you kind words....your statement is what Ive been saying all along....these are designed for the movice or someone just getting started...but that price is why tbe company buys as many chinese made amps and audio. I wish that they remove that max power rating and label the product as it really is and it would change how most view it...if installed as it should they perform well but they also sell a few paper weights as well so be warned...again thanks for that 90 cent per watt thingy
Your prediction was pretty spot on. No where near 4k. It made some good power considering the price of the amp. Twenty years ago, 4k watts would have cost a fortune. Speaking of, I'd still rather have an old orion than a new Boss
Don't think anyone can really say much negative towards it. Biggest issue is some user buying subs according to the supposed wattage. However, if the true wattage was actually stated, the amp probably would sell just as good and garner more respect. That's why I love these amp dyno vids... nothing like having actual proof.
what I just don't understand is why the manufacturer just can't throw the rated power out there where else can you get a $100 thousand watt amp I mean would they seriously sell you less if they said rated power thousand Watts if anything people would be able to brag about it thank you for the video
Those are very respectable numbers for the price and it is a good looking amp. My only complaint is that they don't give you an honest RMS power output rating.
Thanks for spending the time and money for our benefit, Big D! Love the vids. Keep up the good work! Have you considered raffling off the amps you buy in order to recoup some funds? $5-$10 per ticket should do the trick ;)
I bought 4 of these 4000 watt boss amps and they all burnt up 1 lasted a month 1 lasted 1 week and two of them i strapped together to two 15 inch rockford p3's they lasted two weeks and burnt up in my experience with the boss ar line the only one that i found to be a good one was the ar 1500 i put it on 4 rockford r2's and lasted for a year and a half then sold it and the r2 subs to upgrade to all rockford prime 1200 amps and rockford p3 subs been two years now and no problems Rockford fosgate prime 1200 Is a great little amp that is reliable And p3 subs hit clear and hard Rockford = quality & dependability Just my real life experience with all these products
Willing to bet it on the cheap ass capacitors. Fingers crossed on my "1200 watt" 4 channel, solid so far. I have two channels bridged running my sub and the other 2 for my speakers, with the gains properly set it's impressive for the price I paid, definitely better than head unit power. Considering putting a 1500 watt monoblock in for the sub and running the 1200 watt as a dedicated 4 channel.
I didnt wait till the end, but I was expecting the aml to do a max of 1500 watts. Better than I expected. You should do the boss dclass 5000 watt phantom amp next
Ive never used any Boss products except for their cheap lil non cd stereo. I put it in my daughters truck and its great. Lots of power. The number is 612 i think. Its their cheapest one. After 2 yrs of abuse it still rocks.
For what it [actually] puts out, it's not a bad deal for $85. It actually performed better at 1 ohm than I expected. There's better options out there too. But my biggest gripe is these cheap amp manufacturers with bogus claims like "4000 watts" when then fusing makes it obvious that it would be impossible (unless this amp could somehow handle 36+ volts lol). I don't expect everyone who's dropping $85 on an amp to have extensive electrical knowledge, but I would hope that something could be done about these companies that make false claims of their output/capability. Decades ago I was turned on to JL Audio because they rated their speakers at true RMS. The first 500 watt monoblock Class D amp they ever made, I bought one, it cost me $450 at the time (about $1200 in today's current money). It was advertised at 500 watts RMS. The certified paper that came with it said 1720 watts peak, which I believe because I was pushing a set of W3's that I was blowing line fuses with regularly until I went with a 100-amp breaker that I would only occasionally trip when I tried pushing it too far. In older age now I don't need something that rattles windows half mile away, but I still buy higher-end stuff just for the fidelity and capability to support a robust soundstage. That's the most important thing I learned once I jumped from cheap bargain stuff to more expensive brands, the quality of what you're hearing goes up dramatically regardless of loudness. I'll take 500 watts of clean volume over 800 watts of clipping every day.
thank you for the review on this amp.. as im getting ready to do a new build, i was looking at this amp.. and wasnt believing that it could possibly produce 4000w at that price.. but, 1 per sub should bump.. lol
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BigDWiz actually my 1st system in the 90s was the Boss Audio Chaos Series that has the Clear Plexiglass on it and was a killer amp back then..but later in 2008 I return in car audio I bought the Boss Audio Phantom Series and was a ok system for me..2-12's Phantom subs in a Prefabricated box in a Boss PH-3000.1D and for the mids an highs a PH-2000.4! know I'm going all the way with Rockford P1000x5
next would be nice to see a planet audio, or pyle amp lol
yeah one of the "big" planet audios like the BB4000.1
mike kotecki_brew city bass . my friend had one of them "high power" planet audio's. I have it now, sitting in an almost melted pile. It's just to look and laugh at now
Hey hi big d, im doing a system the front consist of cdt hd as, I was shocked how good it sounds also bought the cdt e0 o2, midrange /tweeter, the hd62 as comes with the main tweeter and image tweeter which you place on top corner of windshield, rear doors are going with vibe sa60 audiophile, they don't make them any more, and for trunk area another with the morel mdt12 tweeter, it's a 2012 subaru forester, sorry for this book lol, the question is how good are those subwoofers you have can they be used as a audiophile subwoofer,is the qts below .40
Generally speaking, putting car audio stickers on your car is just like saying 'Rob this car!'...but putting that Boss sticker on your car would have the opposite effect.
LOL
Hahah!! I agree!!!
Lmfaoooo
LMAO!!!!!!😂🤣
LOL
We do a smaller version of this amp in our 5 o'clock special subwoofer combo package. Reliability wise, we never get them back. It would be nice if they did not over rate them like they do. For the price and performance, people might take it more serious. They are not bad little amps.
+Five Star Car Stereo great info, thanks Dean 👍
If Boss just said hey 900 watt amp for $100 that'd be a steal and nobody would bitch but the lying has got to stop
lol
Hell, if they named this amp "AR-1000D" it would still be legit (won't deliver a 1000w of clean power, but will still do more than 1000w uncertified or dynamic), and if they actually put rated RMS power in the manuals for all the ohm loads.. well, let's say 400w in 4 ohms, 700w in 2 ohms, and 1000w in 1 ohm, that would have been an amazing deal for 100 bucks.
You gotta admit 1100-1400 watts for a $80-$100 amp isn't really that bad
It is when it lasts a week and you have to buy a new one.
Cheap DIRTY power.
With a 56% effiency it really is a waste of money
true but ull prob fry it 3 months down the line and thats if your vehicle doesnt catch fire first lol My aunts husband was running one in his escalade and that thing caught fire the good thing is his kid wasnt in the his truck because usually shes in the rear seats but that day he was rolling alone and that thing caught fire like a mutha.
I had a powerbass amp fry after 6months. And it was professionally installed.
Max power must be when lightning strikes.
too funny
48v maybe
😂😂😂😂😂😂
lol
At 1.21 Jigawatts even
You should have like a leader board for most watts per buck.. like Top Gear does for their track times for each car.. doesn't say anything about quality of build bit maybe a "long term torture test" could be developed.. like put it on a 4 ohm dummy load for a month see how long it survives?
+Ebacherville I would need to use a "Big Dummy" load 😂
love top gear, are you cought up oit with the GT series?
I've blown my JL RD 1000/1 I had this Boss amp sitting in my garage....I hooked it up 2 years ago to my single Alpine type X 12".....and it's still kicking ass!!! Lol.
we would have killed for a 1k amp for 100 bucks 20 plus years ago lol too bad they dont advertised the REAL numbers, probably would sell better.
+Preston Cooper I think Boss is selling as many of these as they can make. Dey be makin' bank like a "Boss" 😜
true dat, lol and BigD that picture in picture head shake about rocking the decal made a little pepsi come out my nose, lol Even cats running Boss don't sport the decals
How do you really wire up 4 - 10" duel voice coil subs to a 1 ohm amp all planet audio equipment
THESE DO NOT LAST WORTH A SHIT>..... And if you do anything past 4 OHM on it, well IT WONT LAST A WEEK>.
No joke. 1994 I would have given my left nut.
Nowadays I dont even hear anyone bumping like the ol'days around my town.
They would get more respect if they sold it as a 900 watt amp.
20% of rated power is pretty low, but yea good for under $100.
20%? Max power is a made up number by marketing wanketeers. It has no meaning. This amp is a 900W RMS amp.
For $90 it's not a bad buy, polish the silk screen numbers off pull the badge it's a really good looking amp.
+Bob Snow I agree it is MUCH nicer looking than most amps out there. Back in the day, the amp's heatsink design was a priority. These days it seems to be an afterthought.
Bob Snow exactly...hate the big chrome badge...
BigDWiz to I loved the 1st gen Mtx Thunder amps, but someone liked my 2300 more then me 😢 still have the 2160' 240, & 4160. Be using them on my next install would like another 2160 and 2300.
P.s. Love what you do for us car audio crowd. Enjoy the dyno tests. You also give us your take on the sound quality.
That's exactly what a real audio custom installer home or shop would do too. Or do like I did when I was 16 and I had some white coned realistic speakers and went to the stereo store and stole the BOSE tags off the speaker grills and pinned them to my grills on those poopy realistics. lol. People were stupid fooled just believing what they saw and bragged all over the school... Nifty got those Bose 12's yo!!!!! lololol. If you are truly unique you would use no brand name and make your own brand name and put it on everything you own like red hot sauce. My name back then for installation and comp was Vigorous Sounds. I ripped all tags off every speaker dust cap and magnet as well as the amps and repainted and relabeled into my color scheme and name. This isn't a Boss ride or a Rockford ride it's fkn Vigorous Sounds mufuckaaaaaaa!! lol.
I'm currently running the first model of the Boss Phantom series A/B 2ch.1500-"3000 watts" max bridged. Paired with the "2300" watt Phantom 12's and they bang pretty hard for over 4yrs of daily bumpin.
I have a Boss 1600 watt 2 channel(bridged) pushing a 1500 watt 15" sub strongly. I've had it for 4 years and it's still going strong and has never over heated. I've read alot of reviews bc people say Boss amps suck. In general people seem overall happier with the 2 channel vs mono-blocks. Mine seems alot closer to the actual numbers specified. Would love to see a dyno of a 2 channel to compare with the mono-block.
Can't believe this thing put out more than 10% it's rating. I'm fairly impressed.
Hey Big D! Thank you for making such high quality content! I'm super happy I found your channel!! Your doing an incredible job brother!
Happy to have you here brother 🤙
100 for that 🤔 not bad at all ! I'm honestly impressed.
I used to work for a small shop where Boss was the biggest brand we could get legitimately. This is back in 1995 when they were almost unknown. At the time, they seemed to be wanting to compete with the larger brands and had a pro line as well as offer a base line. Their pro stuff was rock sold and I'd even say the ratings were accurate. Their base line stuff was exaggerated, but similar to this review. The price was so good that people forgave it. And honestly, all of our customers were very happy. We were able to set people up with a very loud system for under $500 using a "600w" Boss amp and a pair of Earthquake Annihilator subs installed. That was cheap in the day. They always came back to us saying how they kept up with people who had $1000 systems.
We never tried to convince people that their amps were top end stuff, just a good value. And comparing the Boss amps to other cheap brands (Pyramid, Power Acoustik, Rockwood, etc.) at the time, Boss came out way ahead. I have always thought that Boss had many good heatsink designs through the years. Particularly the AVA-600M or AVA-400M. Oh and I still have a couple of those amps from 1995 and they still work perfectly. Sadly, I can't say that about a lot of the Rockford/Soundstream/Phoenix Gold amps I have.
+Mickey Pietrzak great info, thanks 👍
I'd really like to see you strap 2 of these together and test it out
I'm in the same boat. If I dont get to it first. One pushed four twelves for me hard, now I'm down to two subs but one on each would be dope.
love your channel, found it along time ago when looking for info on my US AMPS 100A and wondered about the boss line up. you saved alot of people time with this video, very detailed information great job as always!
Thank you for watching and commenting
that's whats always pissed me off about boss amps... they always make up some number that would never happen even if u put enough power to this amp to catch it on fire... if it were branded as a 1200 watt amp I would buy it and even give boss a good review but they always try to pull some shit and it makes the people who just start out in the audio game look stupid when they tell an audio veteran about their 4000 watt amp for under a hundred dollars... knowing that they are willing to lie about their amp specs so blatantly its also affected my opinions about all of their products like single and double din stereos and speakers but I remember a time when the dollar per watt was so much higher that we would've chopped a toe off to pay less than a hundred dollars for 1400 watts at 1 ohm
+The hair on your screen I let Boss off easy, should have done a rant like I did on the Belva amp. I agree the MAX numbers are ridiculous and only confuses the consumer. Hopefully this video helps get the truth out
The hair on your screen dude i litterally tried to blow and swipe the fuckin hair off my screen..... Nice....
yeah, pretty obvious bullshit (even if the brand name was obscured and you only saw the specs and fuses, simple math tells you it couldn't possibly even reach HALF the claimed power.
If anyone remembers Pyramid speakers and amps they were the worst. It sucked that Boss would be put in the same class as them too. I always felt bad for Boss on that tip.
I think for anyone new to the game would know to look at specs and learn what to look for. Anyone even when I bought my Boss amp at age 16 I knew better to tell nobody especially the JL audio and Rockford or PPI heads. NOPE. I just pulled up and banged just as good our louder than they had. My ugly ass car has hoes hopping in no problem. lol.
I had a 1500 watt boss amp when I was like 17. It was more like 150 watts... lol
+Gnik4144 this one beats the 10 percent rule, lol
Gnik4144 no impossible when you plug the numbers in
I have a newer 1500 watt BOSS. It pushes my 12'' Boston G3 no problem for $60 I consider it worth it. If I had to guess it's probably 375-400 rms at 2ohms
Even though no amp I've ever seen had a super weak 20% efficiency you are claiming your Boss amp was less than 20% efficiency? I hardly doubt that.
Tyler Padgett I also have a newer 1500 watt boss amp I would say it’s much closer to 200 Watts it struggles to push my 12” kicker cvx I’m upgrading to the 3000 watt boss amp and am hoping it will be in the 500-700 watt rms range
Nice vid man! If the manufactures would just state true numbers, they wouldn't see such bad reviews. Over 1k @ 1ohm for $100, hard to argue with that. Even if the parts are not above average grade. Should be an (AR1500.1)
Amen brother. Big claims and low prices sell amps though
BigDWiz Try the Massive Audio E4
Jorge Aviles I wish he could
Bj Hammon everybody who's paid any attention to the car audio scene knows what's up with boss at this point, least they should anyway. i personally don't mind cheap equipment- it serves a purpose.
Even with that tho I'd probably recommend this amp after watching his test, those are some good numbers for $80-90 bucks. specially considering how expensive car audio can get.
Rico K -100% on that one mane 👌🏾 To each his own I say. Sometimes people wanna spend top shelf and sometimes they don't. There's plenty of options out there. People are just caught up in the "youtube hype", thinking they need the biggest, baddest car audio to beat. Farthest from the truth. I've built, seen and heard systems from both ends of the spectrum. It's a preference in the end. I love them all, but like seeing budget systems over high-end any day. If you hook it up right and put it in descent inclosure, it's gonna bang.
Derek, I decided to order this amp today, 2/7/20, based on your review. I didn't pay $85.00 you paid, as Amazon's price went up to $114.95. But I wound up paying $109.95 for it on Walmart.com, which still seemed like a pretty good deal, even though it was a bit more than I wanted to spend. I watched several of your amp dynos, as well as many of Budget Gems. Despite the fact that Boss grossly exaggerates, and sensationalized their ratings with their fictitious figures, I found I was quite hard pressed to find an amp actual dyno tested figures of power this high for $100. The watts per dollar in the neighborhood of 950 + watts dynamically at 2 ohms looks pretty hard to beat. And nothing beats the validated research you do, and dyno results. I'm thinking this should drive my two JBL 12" subs, at 4 ohms each for a final 2 ohm load quite nicely. Interested in hearing your thoughts and opinions on that.
I was also impressed with your thoughts on the build quality, and the fact you had a hard time destroying a Boss, short of dropping shreds of copper wires inside of the chassis. That in itself speaks volumes of what one might anticipate in terms of an amps durability, and longevity.
I considered many amps, and found a few that did come close, but went up in price dramatically since being dynoed. One in particular was the Walmart in store stock Power Acoustic amp for $69 when dynoed by Budget Gems, which is now almost $100.00 in store. No doubt retailers like Amazon and Walmart are watching these dynos, and marking up their price. In any case, I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your videos, and how influential, and helpful they are for us naive consumers out here, who are quite easily duped by market strategy, deception, and baloney some of these snake oil salespeople will try to have us believe. At least those of us armed with knowledge you provide can make educated choices, and find value for our hard earned dollar. For that sir, I thank you for all your efforts.
A guy came to my shop with 2 of those "monsters" and 2 boss "2300watt" 12s he thought it banged. And was the loudest setup on the block.AAAnd it sounded like crap especially with the gain up all the way also on one battery rip off red top. 1000ca. And don't forget the box was one big rattle trap. His voltage drop tremendously were the car wanted to shut off. But after I redid the wiring with stinger 1/0 to the And for the big 3/4 also reinforced his box with some dail rods and a extra baffle. I also added a XS power D1200 in the back. Did the speaker wire as well (12gauge Rockford fosgate) each amp was tuned with a DD1 and gain match with a CC1. The system actually surprised the heck out of me according my to APM-1 he meter A 143db sealed. So it's loud for the price he paid. Boss maybe knocked but in the right box and tuned correctly it can bang That goes for any manufacturer. It's up to the installed to make it awesome.
djbz bruce-zabala that is very true back in the 90s people knew I could hook up stereos and they would always bring me a bunch of crap. I would hook it up and surprise everybody how good it ended up sounding.
I completely agree, a good installer can make dog shit equipment sound GOOD!
Back in the day when they said boss... You told them to get lost. And now for the price not bad at all.
For $100, this amp is not a bad deal at all though
1400w dynamic for that price.
But there are better budget options out there, such as the Pioneer GM-D9601
G6 Liara yeah people dont realize boss amps are actually really good for the price
G6 Liara love my GM-D9601!
yeah but that Pioneer is almost double the price so that defeats your point on a good deal or better budget option.
Best amp under $200. Its basically a JBL GTX500 that goes to 1 ohm which the JBL can't. This Boss though beats that JBL when running 1 ohm and both were priced similarly. Keep in mind that this Boss is 58.5% efficient running it like you see in this video (at least going by my math I could be wrong) where that JBL will around 80%. 160 amps and 13.7v at 100% efficiency would be 2192 watts. This is only seeing 1425 watts. At 80% efficiency you would get 1753 watts which is realistic for a better quality amp. You will not get an amp like this for even close to $100 though.
right now this amp is only 95 dollars. I want it NOW. next paycheck I will buy one through your channel so I can support you.
If they called it a 1k certified amp I'd buy it
Back in the 90s, amps that could do these kind of numbers were unheard of. And if they existed, they cost $$ thousands.
A lot of them did these numbers, but the amp was rated way less.
Nobody:
Boss audio: 10kw monoblock amplifier only 100 dollar very good deal 💯 % real
Which just goes to show ya, if your amp is equipped with fuses, rule of thumb is every 10 amps will be.. normally in any given situation good for a 100watts :) Distortion is always give or take pertaining to brand/ make.
This video sold a shitload of boss amps, that's for sure.
Lmao
the last couple videos ive seen its like hey this things sucks but its a GREAT DEAL. no thanks. lets see something that is GREAT at an accessible price.
Probably did. The Armor 1600D version used to be under $60 Canadian on Amazon and went to well over $100 over the course of a few weeks. Guess it was selling well so they just kept creeping up the price.
The trick with Boss Audio is to pair their amps and subs together. When everything is overrated it equals out and sounds just fine.
I dunno. I think I'd go with sounds "balanced". Boss is usually third rate now. Seems like Boss, Planet Audio, Dual, and Blaupunkt are oddly similar now.
Love the honest review thumbs up 👍🏽
+BoomZoom808 I do these reviews for you guys, not the mfg's...even though Some want me to, I prefer to stay independent. You guys help me out by watching, sharing and using my links for eBay/Amazon. Helps me buy the stuff I test for you. I'm not doing this to get rich, doing it for the love 👍
I love boss. It's cheap stuff but great for first time installers, extra budget friendly installs. Have always been satisfied by the price quality ratio for boss just did my nephew's first sound system with a boss amp and he smiles from ear to ear now.
The purpose of this video may have been misunderstood. It wasn't really to bash Boss, but to show what you should expect from a 4kW rated amp for $100. In all honesty, it's a ton of amp for the money and perfect for the budget conscious. You can always upgrade when the funds allow.
I'm more Impressed that you Actually received it.
Big D I gotta say I appreciate what you do man. I was surprised to see this myself. It is a nice amp when it comes to looks
+Brian Miles thanks for watching and commenting. I enjoy testing amps and making vids, glad you guys appreciate the effort I put into this channel
Be careful the plastic bag is probably worth more than the amp.
OR it probably has more dynamic static than the amp
It probably has enough static to increase the power rating
256 watts total at 1 ohm. You have to realize it's not 120 amp it's rated for. It's only 40 amps. Cuz anytime anything over 40 amps runs across any one of those 3 fuses it's gonna pop a fuse if it's continuous.
Not bad at all. Great video you've got things down to a science very cool 😎
Thank you sir!
Hey Big D. I bought 2 Boss audio Armor 4,000 watt amp because of you. I trust what you say and I enjoy your videos. I strapped my two AR 4,000 together and wired my two Audiopipe Txx BDC 15s down to 1 ohm and I have to say Big D !!! You are right!!! Not bad for the price. These subs are frickin slammin with two amps strapped and two amps for only $200 bucks a person really can't go wrong. I'm happy with AR 4,000 for the price. Thanks for your honesty.
Keep in mind that when strapped together the minimum impedance changes from 1 ohm to 2 ohm. You say your wired down to one ohm, but I think in reality you're amplifiers are not seeing a signal below 2 ohm due to box rise or impedance rise. The AC impedance is always going to be higher than your measured DC resistance.
Whoa - the box says 4000W PEAK POWER instead of max - are these manufacturers attempting to change marketing tactics (slightly)??? My guess was 850-900W dynamic into 1 ohm, 700-800W RMS non-cert into 1 ohm. So it did so better then my guesstimate, making me quite pleased to see the results. In terms of assembly, it does look like some of these Chinese makes are attempting to step up the game a bit (though I'd like to see a wider sampling before I commit to that). But it's still a lousy move to market a 1400W Dynamic power amp as a 4000W amp (be it peak, max, etc.). I'd be ecstatic to pay $85 for this amp if it had 900W label. Heck, I'd be just as happy if it had a 1400W Dynamic label. Not to mention, I'd be significantly less apprehensive. That's what I wish many of these manufacturers would learn...
Reggie Reginato peak is max
Randy Hunt Really?! Oh jezzz. I'm being facicous if your not getting my point - I am aware that peak and max are interchangeable. My comment was it was a different TACTIC (strategy) then the usual MAX label used by marketing companies.
To be fair though - For people that even somewhat know what they're doing (IE: Watching BidDWiz's amp reviews) they will likely stay away from these sorts of brands (Pyle, Planet Audio, Boss, etc..) in the first place. The company most likely gets more sales due to individuals who do no research and are just looking at big numbers for a low price (there's a LOT of those people compared to those who do their homework).
I get your point though, if they were more honest I'd definitely be more willing to purchase their gear.
I just realized this comment is a year old....my bad.
I have always seen it as peak. Max apparently has been used as well and I know max and peak are the same.
I really wanted this particular amp to be a gem but long term use caused it to shit. Still don't know what happened to it but it got hot and went into protect then never worked again.
Everytime you give a cheap amp a good
review as
it comes close
or surpasses it watts claim. Amazon and Ebay crank up the price. Personally I have 3 amps because of your videos. u have the best car audio channel on utube
Keep up the good work
hey you get what you pay for 100 dollars is a deal for that many watts
Build quality was better than expected. I was expecting poor fitment, cheap feeling and lacking bass. I was pleasantly surprised as my low expectations were apparently too low...
actually a $100 is a steal compared to amp prices 20 years ago.
jhue73 true I remember dollar a watt prices
Realdude rec true!!! in 1998 ish I had a punch 1000 it was $1000 and they didn't have the technology to dyno amps...if they did we didn't know it
Ryan Smith they were definitely real power back then lol I had the same amp on 4 jl audio w6 12s back then going crazy blew them bout 3 times
Sucks that Boss started out great, being made by ZED, then ending up as low buck gear. Gotta admit though, the guts look like it's pretty well made. Overall, not a bad little amp for a rookie. Great video BigD!! 👌
+Danny Caballero thanks my old school friend!
Zed as a brand doesn't mean anything special these days. There are many engineers like mantz, and superior patented designs
Pimphand Gamester Who do you think was behind most, if not all the designs at ZED Audio? Mantz himself. 😉
No shit?. Like I said, there are many people like him and there are superior design patents today than his. Enthusiasts have way over glorified his companies brand.
Pimphand Gamester Not saying his designs are the best. But what once were the brands he made amps for are garbage today, compared to what they used to be. Everyone has there preferences. Me personally, I'm a PPI guy anyway.
As an individual that has put aftermarket stereo systems in his car since the age of 18, I'm 35 now and I can tell you the main things you look for in amps are: it being "D class" and it being a monoblock.
I've been waiting for a video like this to show the real numbers.. I had this amp when it first came out and it sounded great and pushed pretty hard. at the time I was getting a reliable 800 watts out of it pushing 4 cheapo 10s in my truck. it was an awesome sounding budget system
I had one and was running two polk momo 12's in a ported box and two old xplode 12's in a sealed box, in a 2000 grand Cherokee, my rear window used to Flex a lot actually
I think your generous on the 15V assumption. Granted some people do run 16V for better performance, but all car alternators are 15V Ice cold, to 14.4V expected Voltage to 13.8V hot, with internal regulator. So I hope no one runs a large system without the car on. LOL. Still I would give this amp a generous 1656 watt rating at it's lowest possible Ohm rating. Myself I owned a good Boss amp over 20 years ago, it came with a 6 year warranty, and it actually held up. Eventually it suffered from vibration damage.
1400 watts for a C-note is a Steal!🕵🏿 👮🏻🏃🤑🚔🚨 But I would buy a CAB amp instead😜...if I was a budget hound.
Get the Pioneer 8601 for about $110 free shipping. 800w RMS
Its not a steal when you have to replace ur amp 10 times
Had a boss amp in high school. It banged for a couple months then a cooler tipped over in my trunk and spilled water all over it...rip...lol...upgraded to soundstream and never looked back. Surprised boss is still around 20 years later! Top of the line for flea market amps in my opinion...
kris Martin hifonics is top of the line flea market amp
Steve Bellen I’m talking back in the 90’s...was hifonics around back then? I don’t remember seeing that brand back then....
A Taramps 4k would fit in a mailbox and still give you 4k rms.
taramps is a Brazilian board, almost guarantee you would see 4k out of it.
tramps do good power, but blow pretty easy if your electrical isn't in that sweet spot for volts.
Yeah it's alot easier to get a larger voltage drop the higher the voltage you have to run it. If I remember correctly their amps are 200 volts! The cool thing is you can shock the shit out of someone on your door handles. lolol.
Tim Germany Crapamps? You're better off with Mmats..
I have the ar2000 and I've been running it hard for a year now. Can't beat these amps for the price
Half tempted to order 2 of them and strap them on my power hx2s and see how they do
+shawn hilton I really need to get some subs hooked up and wired at 1 ohm so I can really give these amps a true test with subs after the Dyno test. My 4 ohm Infinity Perfect sub barely makes them sweat
Hmm.. Something like a Sundown SA-12 wouldn't be too bad though.
Those subs comes with an optional D2 or D4 coil, and are rated at 750w RMS
shawn hilton don't... Get soundstream rub 2500... Really good and for around 200 bucks
I have a Boss 3500 watt amp similar to this to this for the past 8 years. Still running strong pushing two MTX 12" subs that shake my doors at only %50 power.
It blows my mind that this is #1 on mono amp in amazon... But i guess i get it. They design is clean and the build will get you by. Like you said perfect for a noob. I had a Sound Storm lab ab-class 2000w and it was made by boss. It put out some bang but it wasn't the cleanest watts and clipped very easy and got hot as hell. I beat the shit out of it though. Good for starters
Amazon can't keep them in stock. I've been watching for a few months and prices vary between 82 (lowest I've seen) and around 110.
Umm.. if it "clipped" that because you had your gains/bass boost/head unit settings or volume too high.
bavarianblessed I wasn't talking about BigD's on the video... I was replying to BlocKustomz comment about his experience with his amplifier.
If I bought 9 of these amps for the price of one Rockford T1500.1bdcp... I think the dude with just the one T1500.1bdcp would fkn cry when you turn up the system and watch those cones fry!!!!
#1 on amazon probably cause of the price point and so many people just wanting a decent budget system. for $100 give or take afew bucks its definitely not a bad buy if your broke or just wanr a little bump and dont care about competition level setups for the 1000s and 1000s they cost. Makes sense its the #1 selling amp
When boss first came out I had a small 250 watt that was pushing 2 10inch tubes and it was more than enough. I wired for mono and took out 1 tube when I started getting indigestion from the bass bouncing the acid in my stomach up.
i think about 800 watts rms
MRnounoursSQ at 1 ohm
at around 5:20 BIG D is asking how much? mi guess was 800 watts RMS and yes at 1 ohm and surprisingly it did more. i have a ARMOR 2500 and i think it hits around 350 watts RMS it is a good amp for the price it would be nice if they would put the real RMS value on there amp.which BIG D would test one ; )
3 of these on 6 12's would do some SPL! I love budget stuff! I have probably watched this video 10 times. Its never disappointing! LOVE BUDGET STUFF!!!
seems like a good deal for hundred bucks but how would this amp hold up to hot summer days thumping in the trunk for extended periods of time? lol
Anthony B D my guess is those bargain bin capacitors would quickly get out of spec and start wreaking havoc within a year or two.
Anthony B D read the amazon reviews. A lot say they run hot. I probably wouldnt go 1 ohm on it at consistant high volume
+Jeffrey Barton You're right. Running 1 ohm
on these boss amps will over heat and kick in and out of protection mode. If you do use a boss for hours just fold down the seats and crack the windows and viola.
lilkamabeast 😂😂😂
Running at one ohm kills all amps faster than 2ohm. It's like red lining an engine while driving every time, all drive long. Further heat, vibration, age, and moisture are the demise of all electronics.
Better numbers than I was expecting! Normally MAX means drop a zero, and double it... 4000=400x2 RMS
I was right there with ya Big D thinkin this thing is gonna be hilarious, I was surprisingly shocked also, not enough to purchase one, but yeah that flea market amp is coming up in the world.
Can we as followers send you amps to test? I love your Channel but I feel like I haven't seen a real amp in a while
+nirrad ztnil I can't please everybody, maybe I'll eventually test something you consider a real amp. I don't currently take amps from viewers for many reasons, but this may change in the future...we'll see
BigDWiz I can see giving out your address for shipping from viewers, and potential liability claims for blowing up their vintage amps on the dyno.... not sure how to solve that last issue, but a PO box to have them ship the amps to would solve the address privacy issue.
BigDWiz bigwiz I’m a new viewer like 3 days in and I think this guy has a point. More amps that people let u Dyno the more videos means more views u will get. Change ur crazy policy !!
your one of the biggest names in the car audio youtube scene! and well deserving. rather watch a big d production then the others.
+indopleaser not really buy my subscriber base, but I do seem to have a lot of views based on a limited subscriber base. Tells me my subscribers are really into my vids, which I greatly appreciate 🤘
is it even legal to advertise such BS numbers?
silent saucepan it is legal. They don't advertise themselves as CEA-2006 compliant which is still not much of a standard since manufacturers like to test their amps at 14.4v instead of the 13.7v you'll experience at idle.
Yep, it's 100% legal. And the car audio market isn't the only place you see these practices. Ever look at computer speakers? My servo drive Yamaha multimedia speakers where advertised as 100W "max" though the manual said 12W RMSx2. Yeah they are quite old now (but still work and sound great) - I don't think Yamaha makes computer speakers any more (too bad). Oh heck, just look at consumer home audio gear (esp the no-name brands).
Takes double the power for +3db which in loudness perception is basically just barely perceptible. So it wouldn't really matter much anyway.
You can see here the real world numbers, it's a $100...what does anyone expect? It could be half the power and no one would even notice because most normal people don't max out their volume knob with correct gain settings anyway.
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First video of yours I watched. RUclips needs more stuff like this. To many RUclipsrs wanna do an unboxing and nothing else
+Swaglife 81 thanks man! Please share with your friends. I put a lot of time and effort into my vids and although I'm VERY grateful for my current subscribers, I feel like I should have more 🤔
Some of these amps are so cheap its amazing. The power and performance they give its a steal for $100.Great review. Keep em comming.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
man 900 watts rms suprising !!!!
but not bad for the price
i have a boss AR2500M and it's sound not bad at all
I bought 4 of these in the past, 3 of the caps inside blow after a while driving at 2 ohms. You'll see my review on amazon to replace them. This is a good amp for the buck, really is, and as BigDWiz says great for starter setup because that was when I had my starter setup. I had the 2000, then the 3000, then the 4000, and I actually liked these amps until they started blowing those caps. But in reality if you want power just dish out the money ahead of time and get good amps and good power. As with any amp make sure you have enough power to push these, you don't need much extra especially if you just have 1 amp, a HO alternator and maybe a second battery.
Bro you don't need extra power to push these I got mines stock and it does just fine
All I can say you got charisma and your consistent, love the things you do.
+eduardo batista thanks 👍
I had this amp way back in the day on one t1 15 at 1 ohm. I knew it wouldn't do near rated but thought for the price why not. I haven't watched the video yet but I shall see shortly. Love what you do man!
For the money I'm not disappointed. It pushed my one RF t1 15 well. This video makes me want to snag another to push my treo ssi 10.22, not too bad. Thank you sir.
I remember expecting to pah $1.00 a watt for any quality amp back in the day so im impressed
I got this amp on 2 - 15in sundowns and it got my trunk whamming no lie and done had the amp like 3 years now
I just got mine today and hooked it up to a Rockville k9 12, it hammers like hell.
Thanks for the video! I like that you call it like it is. It might be cheap but for $100 bucks is a good deal and the build quality is decent. Thanks again!
Love your channel I've been watching all your videos and I've learned so much about car audio than I ever expected.
Thanks man!
Man, about 11 years ago my neighbor had a Boss amp pusing 2 12's, i could hear him coming down the road about 1/4 a mile away
I have to say.. Boss are surprisingly good for a budget brand! I'm quite impressed with the way it protects there too! I've kept an old Boss Audio amp for years, it claims 160w x2 or 320w bridged to 4Ohms.. It does nowhere near that but really is 2Ohm stereo stable! Protected by a 20A fuse it does seem to put out more than 80WRMS per channel! Had it mounted on my wall for a while driving two pairs of speakers, running from a switchmode PSU, only giving it 12v but the brick was capable of 203 Watts (guess what brick i used!) and certainly made the neighbours complain.. The speakers were a pair of 8Ohm 8" Acoustic Solutions Powerforce 1000s (i think) and a pair of Mission 750 Anniversary edition (6Ohm) which sounded surprisingly good! Helps it was driven by a rather good sound card too. I also replaced the mediocre 4558D op-amp preamps for NE5532s. Only 'issue' with the amp is...it's pink!
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I just got a Boss R2000M mono block amp that's rated 2000 peak and 1500 RMS to power 2 12" Boss CXX12 subs rated at 1000 watt peak and 500 RMS. Paid just shy of $120 all together. They aren't winning any sound comps by any means, but for that kind of price, I really can't complain about their performance.
+Eric Henry what makes you happy is all that matters. Enjoy your system 👍
Thank you for you kind words....your statement is what Ive been saying all along....these are designed for the movice or someone just getting started...but that price is why tbe company buys as many chinese made amps and audio.
I wish that they remove that max power rating and label the product as it really is and it would change how most view it...if installed as it should they perform well but they also sell a few paper weights as well so be warned...again thanks for that 90 cent per watt thingy
Your prediction was pretty spot on. No where near 4k. It made some good power considering the price of the amp. Twenty years ago, 4k watts would have cost a fortune.
Speaking of, I'd still rather have an old orion than a new Boss
+Clinton Swart lots of noobs buy these, so I thought I could do the community a service 👌
Thanks Big D I asked for a dyno a while back thank you again because it hits way lower notes than my ct/execution audio 1500.1
Don't think anyone can really say much negative towards it. Biggest issue is some user buying subs according to the supposed wattage. However, if the true wattage was actually stated, the amp probably would sell just as good and garner more respect. That's why I love these amp dyno vids... nothing like having actual proof.
+Denis M I'm guessing their subs have bloated ratings to match the amps, so as long as you stick with the same brand you can match them 🤔
I'd even go as far as saying it would be ideal to use on decent quality subs of about half power or so to ensure the amp isn't stressed.
what I just don't understand is why the manufacturer just can't throw the rated power out there where else can you get a $100 thousand watt amp I mean would they seriously sell you less if they said rated power thousand Watts if anything people would be able to brag about it thank you for the video
Been shaking my head at boss audio since 95 . The heat sinks made them have a huge appearance but sported tiny circuit boards and guts.
+clearme2 this one has decent guts. I show them near the end of the video
ive been rocking 2 audiopipe 12's with one of theese strapped to each one for a few years now, been a good experience
Awesome 👏
Those are very respectable numbers for the price and it is a good looking amp.
My only complaint is that they don't give you an honest RMS power output rating.
Thanks for spending the time and money for our benefit, Big D! Love the vids. Keep up the good work! Have you considered raffling off the amps you buy in order to recoup some funds? $5-$10 per ticket should do the trick ;)
+Dom Yan yes, I should start doing this for sure
I bought 4 of these 4000 watt boss amps and they all burnt up 1 lasted a month 1 lasted 1 week and two of them i strapped together to two 15 inch rockford p3's they lasted two weeks and burnt up in my experience with the boss ar line the only one that i found to be a good one was the ar 1500 i put it on 4 rockford r2's and lasted for a year and a half then sold it and the r2 subs to upgrade to all rockford prime 1200 amps and rockford p3 subs been two years now and no problems
Rockford fosgate prime 1200
Is a great little amp that is reliable
And p3 subs hit clear and hard
Rockford = quality & dependability
Just my real life experience with all these products
Willing to bet it on the cheap ass capacitors. Fingers crossed on my "1200 watt" 4 channel, solid so far. I have two channels bridged running my sub and the other 2 for my speakers, with the gains properly set it's impressive for the price I paid, definitely better than head unit power. Considering putting a 1500 watt monoblock in for the sub and running the 1200 watt as a dedicated 4 channel.
I didnt wait till the end, but I was expecting the aml to do a max of 1500 watts. Better than I expected. You should do the boss dclass 5000 watt phantom amp next
I like boss amps I run one now sounds really good 👍
thats not bad. Much better than I expected. I was expecting about 1000 rms
Ive never used any Boss products except for their cheap lil non cd stereo. I put it in my daughters truck and its great. Lots of power. The number is 612 i think. Its their cheapest one. After 2 yrs of abuse it still rocks.
I'm glad you did this one.
I asked about it a while ago!
+Gabriel Dignard I told you to stick around, I may get around to testing 👍
These videos are very informing! Keep them comming
I have a Boss R2400D hooked up to two Rockford Fosgate P3D4-12 and it really bangs when I crank it up. Total for these three parts was $340
+Matt Merrill hey man if it works well for you that's all that matters 👍
I fast forward every video to the testing part 🤗
That’s fine, some people want to see more than the test, but that’s up to the viewer 😊
For what it [actually] puts out, it's not a bad deal for $85. It actually performed better at 1 ohm than I expected. There's better options out there too. But my biggest gripe is these cheap amp manufacturers with bogus claims like "4000 watts" when then fusing makes it obvious that it would be impossible (unless this amp could somehow handle 36+ volts lol).
I don't expect everyone who's dropping $85 on an amp to have extensive electrical knowledge, but I would hope that something could be done about these companies that make false claims of their output/capability.
Decades ago I was turned on to JL Audio because they rated their speakers at true RMS. The first 500 watt monoblock Class D amp they ever made, I bought one, it cost me $450 at the time (about $1200 in today's current money). It was advertised at 500 watts RMS. The certified paper that came with it said 1720 watts peak, which I believe because I was pushing a set of W3's that I was blowing line fuses with regularly until I went with a 100-amp breaker that I would only occasionally trip when I tried pushing it too far.
In older age now I don't need something that rattles windows half mile away, but I still buy higher-end stuff just for the fidelity and capability to support a robust soundstage. That's the most important thing I learned once I jumped from cheap bargain stuff to more expensive brands, the quality of what you're hearing goes up dramatically regardless of loudness. I'll take 500 watts of clean volume over 800 watts of clipping every day.
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These types of amp test are my favoratite.
+blkmustang007 thx bro. Takes some time to make, glad U appreciate the work involved 👍
Armor were always my favorite boss amp back when I was broke
thank you for the review on this amp.. as im getting ready to do a new build, i was looking at this amp.. and wasnt believing that it could possibly produce 4000w at that price.. but, 1 per sub should bump.. lol