Agreed. On IMDB the character Kira isn't even listed. I wonder if Imogene can't remember her mom's face because she was told to "forget ". She tends to block out information and I think her mom knew how to make Imogene forget things. Almost like hypnosis.
@@LoganGraceHope Could be but all the Colliers knew her and doesn't seem to recognize her. But it is so peculiar that they've either picked two actresses who looks so much alike or the same one playing both roles. There has to be a reason for that.
@@basquat76True. There also seemed to be deliberate imagery to imply that Kira is an important figure when Imogene had a "memory " of Mr Collier putting a pearl necklace around Kira's neck. A pearl necklace is a big hint as a pearl necklace is on most of the images of the show title and promo pics.
During the interviews, Llewellyn says twice, quite pointedly "Viktor Sams is not blackmailing Lawrence Collier." Instead of going deeper, Imogene turns the subject back to fact that Rufus hadn't given up the investigation. But it sheds light that VS was blackmailing SOMEONE. Maybe Mrs. Collier, or even Llewellyn himself, or maybe Kira Scott?
You're right, but it's a little different (and more interesting). He says (with my emphasis in CAPS) "LAWRENCE Collier never paid blackmail", "LAWRENCE Collier has nothing to hide". Then his very next line is "You aren't hearing me". He's trying to tell Rufus that it's the wife but he can't tell him directly because he's oddly ethical as their lawyer.
From this latest episode, I'm now thinking that Rufus pulled a "fake fake" on us: he's really IS a good detective. By telling Imogene, in the prior episode, that he was a fake it caused her to willingly take the lead. This led to her finally overcoming her repressed memory--that Rufus had been trying to get her to overcome since he first met her. As for suspects, everything is pointing at Ceila Chun as the master manipulator--but is it only to destroy the Colliers? Ceila & Imogene are now definitely aligned against the Colliers, just as Ceila was with Imogene's Mom. Is this part of Ceila's plan? Has Rufus lied again--and is still working for the Chuns, and against the Colliers? And I don't believe Ceila is Victor Sams and responsible for the murders of Danny and the Governor. I still think the murders are separate from the Ceila Chun Revenge Plot against the Colliers.
Good stuff as always also I feel like you’re pranking me making me read long comments on air lol 😂 jkjk def talking about this on the next one Yes Rufus pulling more 180s than a skateboarder And yes I think there’s more to Celia chun but as of now do not think she is VS
After this episode, I saw a screengrab on reddit of the bar at the beginning of episode 1, moments before Winnie spilled the drink on Danny. It's zoomed in on a specific woman with blond hair, a hat pulled down far enough that we can't see her whole face....and what appears to be a blue wristband. What if Danny- who never forgets a face- had to die because he recognized her as Kira Scott? He was murdered, Kira was driven off the ship using the boat Sunil and Imogene used to get the Ukrainians to safety, and then she choppered back as an "Interpol" agent.
I think Mrs. Collier killed Imogene's Mom. She somehow found out Imogene's Mom where trying to bring them down so she did what she had to do to protect her family. Maybe the priest is the polo player(Who else could it be) and they've been seeing each other all this time and through her he gets a lot of information that helps him be this kingmaker. Maybe. They focus a lot on the hidden drawer, so surely there was some evidence in that drawer. Maybe another journey back into her memory and we'll find out. And they do suggest with Cotesworth and Imogen's mom on the stairs that maybe he's her father, and is out of the picture because he's a poker hustler and con artist. Could be why he insisted on taking the case and refuses to let it go.
The priest could very well be the polo player but I would think that would create tension with Lawerence, maybe the heart break is what caused him to become a priest And yea I thought the vision of coatsworth and Kira was interesting like what is it saying what is it implying it’s is straight up that they were together at one point or is it symbolic And in the episode Imogene says “I thought Danny was the one who wanted to solve the case” Rufus says “you forget we haven’t met you yet” Crazy theory here but what if Danny is Imogene’s father the whole time
@@NerdsAtNite Well if Danny is her father that would suck because he's dead. They are very suggestive with it that it's probably just to throw us of a bit. It is a little to soapy. There's really not many characters left that could be Victor Sams other then the priest.
Yea that would def suck but then would make his death more impactful to the story, also, yea it’s either Katherine father Toby or what about the Ivey league intern who replaced Kira as Lawerence’s assistant…what if that is Sunil, what if he’s playing everyone all along? What if he’s viktor sams blackmailing the colliers? The irony of them renting a boat that was built with their black mail money? And Katherine/ father Toby had Kira killed and that’s a whole separate thing? I went back to watch a few episodes last night and focused in on Sunil …I think the show did a good job to have us think he’s not viktor sams but … maybe just maybe
@@NerdsAtNite Yeah the intern. They didn't tell or show us who it was. I doubt they would have mentioned the intern if it wasn't relevant. I do think Kira's death and Victor Sams are two separate things. Kathrine killed Kira and Victor Sams could be Sunil. His only defense is a story he told, without any real proof.
While chasing herself, she went through the truck that was on the scene when her mom's car blew up (with or without her mom inside it?). I thought that was interesting--has she been in that truck? As a side note, if you're interested in what happens when a company is responsible for a pubic health disaster and then is sold, check out the Union Carbide/Dow merger.
Theory - Kira is alive! So if you look real close you'll see that Kira is played by the same actress that plays agent Hilde...
See i said the same thing a few episodes back. They look so much alike. But if she is wouldn't they recognize her?
Agreed. On IMDB the character Kira isn't even listed. I wonder if Imogene can't remember her mom's face because she was told to "forget ". She tends to block out information and I think her mom knew how to make Imogene forget things. Almost like hypnosis.
@@LoganGraceHope Could be but all the Colliers knew her and doesn't seem to recognize her.
But it is so peculiar that they've either picked two actresses who looks so much alike or the same one playing both roles. There has to be a reason for that.
@@basquat76True. There also seemed to be deliberate imagery to imply that Kira is an important figure when Imogene had a "memory " of Mr Collier putting a pearl necklace around Kira's neck. A pearl necklace is a big hint as a pearl necklace is on most of the images of the show title and promo pics.
@@LoganGraceHope Oh i didn't even notice that. I do have Mrs. Collier on top of my suspect list as the one who murdered Kira.
During the interviews, Llewellyn says twice, quite pointedly "Viktor Sams is not blackmailing Lawrence Collier." Instead of going deeper, Imogene turns the subject back to fact that Rufus hadn't given up the investigation. But it sheds light that VS was blackmailing SOMEONE. Maybe Mrs. Collier, or even Llewellyn himself, or maybe Kira Scott?
Ohhhh good catch!!
You're right, but it's a little different (and more interesting). He says (with my emphasis in CAPS) "LAWRENCE Collier never paid blackmail", "LAWRENCE Collier has nothing to hide". Then his very next line is "You aren't hearing me". He's trying to tell Rufus that it's the wife but he can't tell him directly because he's oddly ethical as their lawyer.
From this latest episode, I'm now thinking that Rufus pulled a "fake fake" on us: he's really IS a good detective. By telling Imogene, in the prior episode, that he was a fake it caused her to willingly take the lead. This led to her finally overcoming her repressed memory--that Rufus had been trying to get her to overcome since he first met her.
As for suspects, everything is pointing at Ceila Chun as the master manipulator--but is it only to destroy the Colliers? Ceila & Imogene are now definitely aligned against the Colliers, just as Ceila was with Imogene's Mom. Is this part of Ceila's plan? Has Rufus lied again--and is still working for the Chuns, and against the Colliers?
And I don't believe Ceila is Victor Sams and responsible for the murders of Danny and the Governor. I still think the murders are separate from the Ceila Chun Revenge Plot against the Colliers.
Good stuff as always also I feel like you’re pranking me making me read long comments on air lol 😂 jkjk def talking about this on the next one
Yes Rufus pulling more 180s than a skateboarder
And yes I think there’s more to Celia chun but as of now do not think she is VS
I think both things are true about Rufus--he's neither as good nor as bad as he pretends to be.
After this episode, I saw a screengrab on reddit of the bar at the beginning of episode 1, moments before Winnie spilled the drink on Danny. It's zoomed in on a specific woman with blond hair, a hat pulled down far enough that we can't see her whole face....and what appears to be a blue wristband.
What if Danny- who never forgets a face- had to die because he recognized her as Kira Scott? He was murdered, Kira was driven off the ship using the boat Sunil and Imogene used to get the Ukrainians to safety, and then she choppered back as an "Interpol" agent.
Whoa! Someone very early on in the season did mention a blonde haired woman so this def tracks and could very much be the case
I think Mrs. Collier killed Imogene's Mom. She somehow found out Imogene's Mom where trying to bring them down so she did what she had to do to protect her family. Maybe the priest is the polo player(Who else could it be) and they've been seeing each other all this time and through her he gets a lot of information that helps him be this kingmaker. Maybe.
They focus a lot on the hidden drawer, so surely there was some evidence in that drawer. Maybe another journey back into her memory and we'll find out.
And they do suggest with Cotesworth and Imogen's mom on the stairs that maybe he's her father, and is out of the picture because he's a poker hustler and con artist. Could be why he insisted on taking the case and refuses to let it go.
The priest could very well be the polo player but I would think that would create tension with Lawerence, maybe the heart break is what caused him to become a priest
And yea I thought the vision of coatsworth and Kira was interesting like what is it saying what is it implying it’s is straight up that they were together at one point or is it symbolic
And in the episode Imogene says “I thought Danny was the one who wanted to solve the case”
Rufus says “you forget we haven’t met you yet”
Crazy theory here but what if Danny is Imogene’s father the whole time
@@NerdsAtNite Well if Danny is her father that would suck because he's dead. They are very suggestive with it that it's probably just to throw us of a bit. It is a little to soapy.
There's really not many characters left that could be Victor Sams other then the priest.
Yea that would def suck but then would make his death more impactful to the story, also, yea it’s either Katherine father Toby or what about the Ivey league intern who replaced Kira as Lawerence’s assistant…what if that is Sunil, what if he’s playing everyone all along? What if he’s viktor sams blackmailing the colliers? The irony of them renting a boat that was built with their black mail money? And Katherine/ father Toby had Kira killed and that’s a whole separate thing? I went back to watch a few episodes last night and focused in on Sunil …I think the show did a good job to have us think he’s not viktor sams but … maybe just maybe
@@NerdsAtNite Yeah the intern. They didn't tell or show us who it was. I doubt they would have mentioned the intern if it wasn't relevant.
I do think Kira's death and Victor Sams are two separate things. Kathrine killed Kira and Victor Sams could be Sunil. His only defense is a story he told, without any real proof.
Bingo!
While chasing herself, she went through the truck that was on the scene when her mom's car blew up (with or without her mom inside it?). I thought that was interesting--has she been in that truck? As a side note, if you're interested in what happens when a company is responsible for a pubic health disaster and then is sold, check out the Union Carbide/Dow merger.
Yea I noticed that too
Yea that truck was close to where her moms car was when it blew up
And oooohhh I am def gonna look into that thank you
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