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What was the tongue about? What was the spirals about?the cleaning ladies out them on the ice so Annie could take revenge? I still don't get how resale was connected to the mine. Was it them causing the deaths in Ennis? This season started out so good yet the finale was really a let down.
Clark's version of Annie's death doesn't line up with the video she made because in the video she is in the process of trying to explain what she found and suddenly starts screaming. In Clark's version, she is smashing everything when the scientists find her, she does not have her cell in her hands, making a video.
The best part is the idiot writer/director is going to be responding to tons of comments on Twitter on her horrible writing and will just lazily call people misogynists for asking questions.
No way to confirm yet, but I don't think the references to season one was pointless. If the creators wanted to subtly keep building up the Tuttle family as villains to be explored in future seasons, establishing them as pharmaceutical giants looking for shady ancient microorganisms as to extend human life for themselves is a pretty good way to start.
That’s what happens when you have a bunch of diversity hires more interested in pushing their personal political agenda than telling a component, compelling story.
@@SPIKESPIEGEL1969 riiight, well the character Navarro wasn't and if you really want to bring real life into it she could have won 10 world titles no-ones getting beaten unconscious with a fire hydrant, waking up and overpowering her attacker.
So the scientists' clothes were barely covered with snow when Narravo found them, but no sign of or tracks from the big a$$ truck the hit squad cleaning ladies took them out there in?!
@@bobreaderman5542exactly. The men were missing days before the search for them was underway. You know how quickly tracks can be covered. People have disappeared and been searched for in 24 hours and tracks have been lost in such a short amount of time.
According to scientific research, this season had a serious case of Gameofthronitis: crammed too much into too short of a season. Nothing was fully developed, and too many plotlines were left untouched/unresolved.
The plot was so dumb they had to mask it with a lot of supernatural visions of ghosts and innuendo to keep the audience intrigued until the end. Unfortunately they eventually had to reveal the actual story, and that's when the whole show comes crumbling down like a big pile of stupid.
@9:11 bear with me on this but I think this is the answer: I think Raymond was seeing Navarro during this scene. Not that Navarro was there during the murders BUT he was seeing Navarro standing there in the future. He was merely freaked out by her “presence” because, well, “Time is a flat circle.”
Well, we all overthought this one. None of the mythology of the native culture came to fruition. Navarro’s hallucinations not explained. “Night Country” was an overly ritzy name for a tunnel of ice caverns. We still don’t know what the scientists really found in their work. The spiral was never explained except perhaps as a fossil under the ice. Some characters did not really add to the story. Jules character was wholly underdeveloped. Everyone here was an unreliable narrator. The cleaning crew as killers? I don’t know but I had expectations to be blown away in the finale. Wasn’t.
@@autk the comparison to the Dyatkov Pass incident was dead on until the last episode and that disappeared into the cleaning ladies murder?? The polar bear was given short shrift. Under developed polar bear!? Just a lot of red herrings. Annie’s tongue not explained.
Nah. Some of you overthought this one. I wanted them to do more with the supernatural and hoped they would, but if you were still championing one of these Sedna theories after episode 5 when the name hadn’t been mentioned in the show then I don’t know what to say.
This show is even more frustrating than other disappointing shows because there was a lot of potential. Great setting, strong cast, many good ideas... but ultimately let down by bad writing failing to tie it all together. Also probably a separate discussion all on its own, but I found the romantisization of Navarro's suicide extremely off-putting.
Is Navarro Alive? How did Annie’s tongue get there? What is the relevance of Twist and Shout? What does “ She’s awake” mean? What happened while Navarro was in combat? How were Otis Heis injuries sustained? What’s up with the polar bear, the pointing ghosts, the cross necklace and the visions?
"She" is referring to the spirit that the cleaning ladies let decide if the scientists would live or not. She may or may not exist depending on your interpretation. However, Clark was a nut and believed "she" was Annie K.
How could Clark go so crazy over spiritual things when he's a scientist? they don't believe in that stuff. Maybe he was drinking the polluted water and it messed up his brain.
The things they leave unanswered are the most unexplainable things that happened on the snow. Why did the carabou jump off a cliff? What was the deal with the polar bear? What was with the hallucinations? Why does Liz see a hub cap, a necklace in her hair and wtf was with the tongue spot having an expanding ice spot. Even the thing with Navarro seeing into the past to what Clarke did made no sense. What about Navarro getting bleeding ears at the dredges and on the ice? What about what happened with Heiss in his freak accident that he initially survived? Bizarre choices imo for them to leave those things so vague and ambiguous.
Right, and how did Navarro know about the half peekaboo game that Liz and Holden played...she couldn't have! I was NOT wanting a supernatural explanation.
I’m not trying to defend the season( cause it’s a mess) but 🤓, the caribou jumped off because of the environmental damage from the mine maybe, polar bear was just cause of the doll?, hubcap explained below, necklace in her hair was Nazarros sisters or moms. I think that spot is like a time portal. The tongue leaving a frozen spot, Navarro seeing Clark and him seeing her(mistaking her for Annie). My guess is people are time traveling and being injured by the time travel/ maybe ghosts. It was weird
The caribou were affected by the pollution, driving them mad or whatever, thus jumping off the cliff. The polar bear signified Holden's stuffed bear. The hallucinations could be a result of the pollution, I guess? The hubcap was related to the accident that killed Liz's husband and son. The necklace and spot where the tongue was found? No idea about those. Navarro seeing Clarke in the past was pointless, for sure.
So my theory is that Navarro was able to pass the test to be spared by the spirit when she crossed the desert landscape in that hallucination. When Navarro began bleeding from the ears, she closed her eyes. I think, had she kept them open, she would have suffered the other effects of the spirit such as the burnt corneas, and would have lost her life. There was wailing happening as her ears bled, as if terrifying images of violence and death were soon to be seen. Perhaps the doctors' faces frozen in fear were another indication of them having their eyes open and seeing what made those screams.
This is a fun theoy! Admittedly I’m not smart enough to figure out what happened to Navarro on my own 😂 but this feels better than her dying so I’ll go with this!
That's good. I also think in that moment you're describing, she finally had control too. Over her emotions and reactions. She was finally truly "listening"
@@gemmagemma-wx2bsYea, I got that too. She finally seemed at peace with all that had been afflicting her, so by the end it seemed she felt internally found and would not commit suicide. I’d like to believe she’s with Oliver Tegaq in peace, in nature, her true home, where her spirit truly belongs.
Oh wow! This is beautiful. Im a fan of jodi foster, but when I first heard there was a supernatural element to this show, I didnt want to bother watching it. Hearing your analysis of it makes me want to actually watch it now. thank you.
To everyone who has all of these questions that they feel were left unanswered: You're asking the wrong question. The question is why did you waste your time watching this show?
I think there’s a small element of time travel/alternate parallel universes…Clark mentions something about time being a loop, the first thing I thought was how is twist and shout still playing when Danvers ripped it out in episode one. Could also explain why the tongue was still in such good shape 6 yrs later.
Episode five talks about the flat Circle of Time, Wen McConaughey and Harrelson find the two guys holding the two children hostage. The one guy in handcuffs talks about “the flat circle of time”
Ok i love this theory i hope this thread expands lol i also thought there was some time travel sci-fi stuff going on with that weird clark/navarro scene, and i caught the tape still playing i was like “are they BOTH trippin right now being back in time??” This has always been the case with the series, theres hints and bits of cosmic horror & weird fiction thrown in, blended with the spiritual and grounded with human experiences
I wanted to like this season so bad, but the writing and pacing were unforgivable. This season had so much going for it on paper and I'm left wondering what it could have been in the hands of a competent writer
Honestly, I am not sure I believe you wanted to like it. You wanted it to be season 1, right? Been there, done that. This was different and also very good.
@@kathryncainmadsen5850 I hoped this would be like season 1 as well since the creators baited on season 1 so much saying it would be "coNnEcted" and all that shit. After the first episode I gave up on that and tried to enjoy the season as a stand alone, but it didn't do well even on it's own. This season was just terrible.
I'm saying that how did Clark not tell the cops who killed the scientists since the cops helped cover up the murder of the girl and were involved with the mine cover up. Clark saw the woman come in. This makes no sense.
I don't think Raymond made the shrine to Annie. I think it was the women that made the shrine to commemorate her, it seems more fitting with all the animal bones, native decorations, and the spiral on the roof
They could have really used you and this idea in the writers room on this show, not gonna lie, I do not believe they thought this story out that far, as this idea could have easily made it into the ending house scene reveal.
@@CobblesteinSwobblepopyeah it just didnt make sense for him to have made it. Like the teacher that Liz had the afair with even said how they "never left the station". I was really enjoying the series but the more I think about it, the more holes I pick in the plot. Shame.
I think the "Hawaii" coffee mug from Danvers' debrief scene is the same one they were drinking from at Tsalal Station at the end. Like did Liz keep it as a souvenir?
I don’t think Navarro is dead. I think she went wherever Oliver Tagaq went. That’s probably her on the porch. She went looking for her roots with her new name.
There’s a moment in S7 of Game of Thrones when they’re beyond the Wall and Barrick suggests killing the Night King to defeat every single White Walker and Wight. The camera ominously rotates to the Night King, and Jon Snow says, “You don’t understand.” As if there’s some epic mystery yet to be revealed. Of course, there wasn’t … just crap writing for a cheap thrill in the moment. This season of True Detective is best summed up by Clark’s quote in the middle of the finale … “Time is a flat circle…” Uh, what?? That was nothing more than a mindless Easter egg. What wasted potential.
The redeeming Easter egg was Jodie Foster. She is the most mis-applied under-appreciated talent in all of Hollywood history. She is quite possibly one of the best actors of all time. But that can't ever be proven due to all the crappy roles she has accepted. We really didn't need her stealing the show in "Nyad", an after school special about trying to swim yourself all the way to death. Other than that, and now this, you have to go back a few years to see them really casting her, say Hannibal back to Sommersby or all the way back to Taxi Driver. Before most people here's birthdate. Long blanks in the timeline. Maybe she just didn't want a ton of roles and pursued the directing instead, as stated on her Wiki. But she was really good in this one.
The best part was how Danvers broke the glass of the refrigerator by repeatedly hammering on it with the iron bar. She even had to hoster her gun to take a full swing with both hands... when she could simply have shot the glass. A close second is how the handprint on the hatch can be matched to exactly the one person in the whole town who had mangled fingers - talk about a lucky break! Oh and the hatch leading to the ice lab, that was conveniently hidden under floor tiles so the forensic team in Ep1 couldn't find it, but was also conveniently left unlocked so the cleaning lady could get to the lab in Ep6.
You do a really good job on your breakdowns, they’re really entertaining to watch. Your breakdowns on the first two episodes actually persuaded me to watch the entire show as I had not seen any of it before then.
drill - naaree (Hindi) is Woman, in Somali it's Hell Woman Female -a daughter of eve- dril -NAARI- NarI Beatrice Literary: beloved heroine of Dante's "Divine Comedy" and of Shakespeare's "Much Ado About Nothing". So for me there's plenty of esoteric elements here, the sign; a helix is Kundalini in Hindi. It reminds me of The X files, always about black oil, aliens= strange woman, aliena in Latin. It's the 9/11 awakening of the feminine kundalini energy, which supposedly leads to enlightenment...''pure consciousness''. So the esoteric was there for those looking, others just saw a police procedural plot, it's up to the viewer to decide...the Last circle in Dante's Inferno is the 9th for Treachery..Trapped in the ice, each according to his guilt, are punished sinners guilty of treachery against those with whom they had special relationships.
Raymond talked about time being a flat circle. When Navarro saw him after his death, it was her seeing the past, while he saw her in the future in that moment.
@@boomslangCAthat's it. The reference to the spiral is above the king in yellow or the Tuttles. It's the flat line existence. We just got drawn there because people wanted so badly for the connection to be another, that they were utterly disappointed, when both are the same in the two seasons.
@@susanavieira8009no, the writers blatantly used it as a Red Herring, abusing season one folklore for interest whilst taking a dump on the same and making a joke of season one.
One thing I noticed was, once Liz fell bellow the ice, her repressed memories of her son came to light. She had buried them below the surface. The shot itself represents this.
The aggressiveness in which the scientists killed Annie was ABSURD and even more unbelievable considering how pathetically submissive they were to Eskimo cleaning women…
@@ErickaWilliamsCC Even if it could happen, this whole season was so little about the scientists and so much about Annie K, so it's hard to understand their sudden motivation based on a few seconds of flashback. We never really knew who they were, what relationship they had with each other, how it was working there for them. So in essence - bad writing regardless. Good writing would've been making it make sense. Just like Daenerys going mad in GoT. It could've worked, if they showed how it happened successively during the show. Not if it's just built up very suddenly with little to no grounds for it.
No you guys just thought to hard and didn't let the show just be the show. You needed a logical explanation for everything so you ruined it for yourself
@@nightfall902 nah the people that came here and dug and dug ruined it for themselves a friend of mine enjoyed it and didn't watch a single RUclips video.
@@Pilot646 But....were they thinking about it as they watched? It's like a Tom and Jerry cartoon....we know that Jerry hitting Tom with a frying pan, should be fatal or at least cause severe injury...we just don't think about that part. You're not supposed to think about it. If you raise questions, however; you expect the audience to think about possible answers.
Man, this season was kind of a mixed bag for me but ultimately great performances by all the leads. I hope to see Kali Reis in more acting ventures soon.
Like everything else, the twist reveal of the killer was stolen from season 1. Errol Childress was an easily overlooked menial worker who was questioned by detectives repeatedly on unrelated questions. Same with the killers in this season. They even threw in the minor bad guy hitting them with "time is a flat circle" right before dying. Who wrote this, Claudine Gay?
Errol Childress was just one of the killers. The audience never finds out who the other killers are, except for maybe Reverend Tuttle. Tuttle was involved, but it’s never made clear if he killed anyone.
It is a very bad sign when fan theories are so much better than what is actually happening on screen that people become invested in them instead. Dear HBO, in case you missed it people want light supernatural stuff and delving in the mythos of the Yellow King Cult. Not whatever nonsense your edgy creator wants to make season 5 about.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 the first episode i myself thought someone forced the scientists outside and made them strip, but then i thought nah there’s no way it’s that obvious
Vitamin C from oranges and sulfur-limonene can absorb mercury so if the mine is polluting the water supply it’s got to be linked to how Julia and Navarros mom loved oranges and peels, perhaps triggering psychosis?
Interesting,but wouldn't that require one grows oranges in Alaska? There's a reason Florida's the state famous for oranges...Is the affinity between mercury and vitamin c such that washing oranges off in the sink could be enough to contaminate them? Unfortunately I think your idea is more interesting than anything that was ultimately written into the show...
@@whitekony1006I don’t see the need for growing them there when everything is imported. In the finale in Tsalal you see oranges stockpiled in the fridge. When Danvers peels one it drops where the tongue was. A silvery substance (mercury) is on the floor where Annies tongue was and starts to pull toward the orange like a magnetic field. Danvers is fixated on this before Navarro startles her and bumps her head.
@@patrickpeterson5835 huh,I missed that I guess. I thought the silvery substance was frost,and more supernatural bait and switch. I think your idea is interesting and compelling, but I don't see how imported oranges are going to absorb dangerous quantities of contaminants if they aren't in direct contact with them through the water supply or wherever else....I mean, generally I don't keep my oranges packed in mine tailings,maybe they do things differently in ennis. For the record,though I crack wise I'm hoping you don't take it for insult. I think your theory is really neat and the interaction is scientifically fascinating subject in its own right. If there were a plausible way for the oranges to absorb the contaminants I think that that your idea may indeed be a purposeful Easter egg that was placed for canny viewers like you.
- Why did Clark have a premonition that "She's awake" before the women busted into the station to kill all the scientists? - They made a big deal out of the electricity going out at the station before all the scientists died and the same thing happened in the video Annie was recording when she died. But when we see Annie's murder she's not being chased while on the phone and then the power goes out. She is smashing up the samples with the power on, phone nowhere to be seen, and then she is attacked. - If Annie wasn't murdered in the way Clark described then weren't all the vigilante women actually the bad guys? - Where did the tongue come from? - Why did the residue left by the tongue grow? - Who was tossing the oranges? - What was the importance of the song Twist & Shout? - How was there still a scientist alive in the that pile? - Why was there a necklace in Liz's hair? - What is the point of the polar bear? There are many more.
@@SACosby-lp5td No it was just bad.. The entire mystery wasnt solved at all.. The video Annie took as she was murdered didnt match up with the retelling of her murder.. so we dont know what actually happened with Annie or why her tongue was cut out or who did it or why it appeared 6 years later.. We also dont know why Navarro's ears bled, or the scientists ears bled or what killed them considering they said they died before they froze.. and they had the same condition that the drug addict had after an "accident" that also wasnt explained.. So we dont know how any of the victims died.. we dont know who killed anyone.. we dont know how.. So what mystery did the women solve? Im left with more questions after the finale than i had after episode 1..
@@SACosby-lp5tdiam a women too. But this season it just flopped. Not because it was just two women but the screenplay was lazy. Don't bring cheap white feminism into everything. Not everything is about it.
@@SACosby-lp5td Im mad at the writer, he wrote them like buffoons, do you know how shows work? You realize the women are not just improvising? You must be slow
such bs I was laughing during the feral gurl power screaming in the background when they were rounding them up. I was like of course a bunch of middle aged to granny level chicks some missing fingers took all those guys out.
The hand was her sister Julia's who knew she didn't know her real name> This was her sister's way of telling her she reunited with their mother and was able to get that information. It could of also been Annie and her way of letting Evangeline know she's at peace now and Thanking her.
It was staged so badly and without apparent motivation; Clark watching and “agonizing”, then suddenly strangling her was just stupid. No, worse: it was STOOPID.
He had to be the one that killed her. He knew she was going to die. It could have been someone else to finish the job and he did not want to live with what could have happened. He did it as a twisted way to show mercy
at the very end... I have a question about that video confession (on Navarro"s cell phone) that they said Navarro got from Raymond Clark. (the leaked video) When could she have recorded it? In the video he looked cleaned up, very coherent & not crazy at all. In E6 from the first contact, Danvers & Navarro had with Clark...until he died... he looked crazy, filthy. Then he was bloodied & messed up when they were interrogating him. When/how? could he have been recorded confessing what the scientists/mine were doing?? I'm confused.
@@dameongeppetto I don't doubt there was time to create his video confession. But in the video he was all cleaned up & he had NO wounds on his face. For the entire E6, he looked like a crazy homeless man. The video is not consistent with how he was portrayed for the entire E6.
@@starcat58 okay, I answered your question but you seem to expect everything spelled out perfectly. The 6 episode format rushed things and cut out a lot of room for explanations. The True Detective name forced too much fan service filler, IMO. I liked the story and will leave it there, as not everything has to be clearly resolved to enjoy the media.
@@dameongeppetto nah it was hot garbage. Throw a ton of unrelated plots and never revisit most of them and you think that’s some sort of “ you figure out what it means.” That’s lazy writing and Jody Foster was less then thrilled how the show ended up after her first meeting she said it never went to the places she was told it would go and she doesn’t bad mouth it because it was still going on but watch and see if she doesn’t bitch about the way the season went nowhere and everywhere that really contradicted itself over and over. Lost was guilty of this in the next to last season. Stars of Lost said it seemed like the writers had so many sub plots that would never line up with later developments and they would quietly act like not bringing them back up no one would notice. It almost ruined the series. Someone needed to talk to the creator/ writers/ producers of season four this year and ask them to explain it to them. They had a great setting and the night factor 24/7 and a great start and allowed it to get bogged down with really bizarre writing. Loved how Jody Fosters step daughter/ runs away and out of the blue without settling anything goes from total disgust to forgives her and they hadn’t even talked. Wasted time on that and the great actor that played Hank’s character was like an abridged version because they touched on a few things like his mail order bride and the best was his son shooting him in the head as opposed to a non lethal shot so he could get info from him. Nope just shoot your dad dead we don’t need to know anything. And the guy Liz was sleeping with, her supervisor that was in on the pollution thing but allows her to work the case even though the lady from the company wanted no one snooping around but allows Liz to keep investigating. Made no sense. It would lead back to him but we don’t know cuz he wasn’t mentioned or seen in the last episode. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Back in ep 4 Liz deduced about a generator existing in the ice cave based on Annie's death footage where the power goes out yet after revealing the power outage was caused by the women cleaners before the scientists' deaths, it doesn't match w the murder reveal of Annie since the power never went out and there's no relation between these two events. Also, Annie's video stopped recording as we find out that Clarke had stepped on the phone that ended the recording which I find inconsistent based on the time it took Clarke to get to the caves and interrupt her murder. I'm going to assume it took Clarke at least 3 minutes or so to get to the caves from his bedroom AFTER Annie's screams took place. End of ep 3, we were shown how Annie died and her screams went on for a good 10 seconds I believe and followed by ep 4 as Liz was closely viewing the footage the video ended 2-3 seconds after Annie's scream due to the power outage (or Clarke stepping on the phone) which originally the video should last longer than that. The writing feels sorta lazy how the caves was deduced by Liz due to the discontinuity of the footage and the two separate events that took place.
My favorite part is when Danvers is trapped in the walk-in freezer with the glass door and despite the fact that she has a gun in her hands and Clark is about to kill Navarro, she holsters her gun and looks for something to break the glass. Some of the best and most air-tight writing right there.
So let me get this straight... Women CSI find out that men at the station are involved with a murder, but they don't know whom specifically. Instead of investigating and finding the person at fault, as revenge they decide to KILL EVERYONE there. Regardless of their job at the station. Let me remind you that THE WOMAN IN CHARGE OF THE MINE IS STILL ALIVE and got away with it! Also also, the man who is for sure the real murderer (Clark), SURVIVED THE WOMEN CSI hunt (because he hid in the basement ladder thing). To summarize, a bunch of women killed everyone at the station EXCEPT the person who murdered Annie (and they did this for revenge), and the other person involved with Annie is off scot-free.
I don't find it hard to believe the scientists would kill Annie to keep their secret since they were already gradually poisoning & murdering an entire town.
I do. There's nothing in this story to indicate these scientists were so desperate to keep their secret as to kill someone. They could just have her arrested for destruction of private property by the corrupt cops.
That's stupid there was a group of scientist from all over ther world. It is hard to believe that all the cointries just let slide their death and shut down the lab in which was invested millions already.
Yes, they were killing babies and didn't care for their work. Why wouldn't they get a woman who ruined years and years of work that they thought was changing the world
So we are supposed to believe that these geniuses found the cure for World hunger etc but couldn't fathom a brain cell between them to try to overpower these women, yet ran off starkers to face certain death. What a crock of.....
I really liked the supernatural elements added this season. And while some things we know for sure happened like the main incident with the scientists being killed. Some things are still left unanswered. Everyone denies cutting out the tongue. And the people who claim to see ghosts have a family history of mental illness. Save for the older woman that finds the scientists bodies. Glad the same team is coming back for season 5.
18:40 I felt something similar when I used to live on the shore of Lake Michigan. There was something about the lake in the wintertime that makes you want to run as far as you can. Past the horizon. Almost like a pull.
**POSED THIS QUESTION BEFORE I WATCHED THIS VIDEO**Did I miss it or was it never explained how Danvers son & husband died? And was the step daughter her husband's biological child? I kept waiting for those dream sequences/fever dreams to explain it whenever the child appeared.🤷🏾♀️
Excellent and comprehensive video.. I watched all 6 episodes twice - but you still filled in a couple of small gaps for me.. I got my arms around all the nooks and crannies of the plot now because of this video.. thank you.
Really liked the first two episodes. The middle kinda wore me down, and it's like the writers were scrambling to pull it all together in a final episode. Liz's character was a little too "forced" for me. The crazy father shooting, and the tooth in the wall, magic, man that was so unexpected. A little bit more depth on the native beliefs, and a bit more on the stronger linkage to the Tuttle family would have been nice (I missed it until it was discussed here). Nothing beats the first season, but I enjoyed the depth of the cold, and desperation of the darkness on this series.
Having rewatched the final episode, here are my thoughts …. Things that made me laugh/feel warm and fuzzy: • Longest cold open ever! 😃 • Didn’t they drive reeeeaaaally far, just to end up right underneath Tsalal? 🤣 • Why couldn’t Danvers just shoot out the freezer door?🚪 • The power outage on the road out of town was brilliant! • So many parka changes! 😄 • The way Danvers says, “fuck” is hilarious. 😆 • “I am not merciful.” Beauty! 👍 • The hubcap …. good jump scare. 😱 • Bea’s story: scientists were killed by the great spirit, because they dug into the ice, woke her up, and killed Annie. The spirit took the the scientists, when offered: “I guess she ate their fucken dreams from the inside out, and spit their frozen bones. But …. it’s just a story.” Love it! 🥰 • The fact that the corrupt coverup actually ended up absolving the Iñupiaq women is delicious. Mwah! 🤓 • Danvers kept the Hawaii mug from the New Year’s toast with Navarro at Tsalal. She’s sentimental, now. 😊 • Holden can see her through the bear - I love that! ♥️ …. Infuriating true things: • Virtually every man who ever killed his significant other claims to have loved her, and states, “I would never hurt her.” They ALWAYS say that, and it’s always a lie. • Clark forgot to mention suffocating Annie with his t-shirt. 😒 • Such arrogance! Clark still claims he loves Annie, but clearly nothing was more important to him than his ‘world-changing’ work. • It all smacks of colonialism, racial condescension and gender bias. Clark and the other scientists believed that their work was so important that the lives of the villagers were just the cost of ‘their grand quest.’ 🙄 …. Some things I’ve gleaned: We assumed a single person/entity was responsible for leaving/moving the items, and for the visions - but turns out it’s busy in the land of the dead …. • Navarro’s mom was responsible for the whispers, Navarro’s visions, the oranges and the necklace; • Holden was responsible for the polar bears 🐻❄️ (both stuffed and gigantic), both women’s bear visions, and finally for bloody “Twist and Shout.” 😆 It was SO obvious, and yet I missed it. The song was playing on the boombox in the pivotal “I see you” scene. And that’s why Danvers hates it - because it reminds her of her loss. I was certain it was going to be playing in the crashed car, but since she wasn’t there (see further down), she wouldn’t have heard it. • Annie must have been responsible for the tongue. 👅 No one else had access to it, nor had knowledge of its connection to Tsalal. • It’s good that Lund suffered the most, since he was Annie’s original attacker. • The woman screaming in the generator background was Navarro’s mother, trying to tell her what her Iñupiaq name is. The soldier with half a head missing was so close to death that her mom could break through the veil. She attempted to say her Iñupiaq name, but failed for some reason. 🤷🏼♀️ • The sound of the screaming appears to make the ears bleed. • Danvers didn’t see anything, once she was in the water - she was just dying. • In her vision of the car accident, Danvers is wearing the same blanket she has on at Tsala, so she’s not there. She wasn’t there when it happened, and she agonizes about Holden’s last moments. • Rose has seen and done some things. 😳 She knows what “comes after .… forever.” So, she’s clearly killed somebody, likely Travis (with his permission). • Navarro is dead. She was no longer afraid of the calling/screaming, once she realized it was just her mother trying to “tell her something she needed to know,” per Rose. • Navarro did “come back” to both of the people who asked her to, mainly to return their stuff. 😁 • Dead Navarro was responsible for returning the stuffed polar bear to Danvers (the final time), the phone with the confession on it, and the Sponge-Bob toothbrush to Eddie. • I realized that “come back” and “try to come back” both were intentionally referring to after death. • “This is Ennis; nobody ever really leaves.” Navarro is gone, but not really gone. …. Things I don’t know for sure: 🤷🏼♀️ • Whose baby was that at Wheeler’s? Was it Darwin?! I think it’s Darwin! Does the timeline work? Because no one ever says anything about Kayla having been pregnant. And the “He doesn’t really look like you” comment about Holden could easily also be applied to Peter and Darwin. Darwin doesn’t resemble Peter at all. So, when Pete tells Kayla, “I ruined your life. You never wanted the baby,” he could well have been talking about bringing home an orphaned child. • Is the orange that leads Danvers to the tongue imprint on the floor important? Was it Annie taking credit? Navarro’s mom? 🤔 Was it just a spiritual psych gag? 🤪 • How did Clark end up buried to his waste in ice? 🧊🤨 • Why didn’t Navarro tell Danvers right away that she had gotten a recorded confession from Clark? 🤷🏼♀️ • Navarro’s whispering mother stopped her going outside to freeze, then showed her a replay of Clark’s seizure - why? • the women who were at Bea’s house “super- early:” do they all live there? They had coats on, so did they all just show up? Did somebody call them? Are they ALL victims of domestic violence? • May 12, first long day of the year - any relevance? • Same hunter at the beginning and end. Meaning? …. One thing that bugged me a little: • I know it was cold 🥶 out, but Navarro could’ve tried harder to get the generator going. And it really should have started easily - it’s for emergencies, after all. That is all. ☺️
All of that stuff didn’t get wrapped up because the writing was sloppy. Tried to fit too much in. Season 1 Easter eggs just to drag people to watch it. Then not answer anything about it. Then had to madame web it at the end. I actually liked all the girl power stuff. Until the jumping of the shark when a bunch of elderly obese women kill everyone. So the native men have no balls or don’t care about their own? They just rolled over and took it? Natives matter but only native women apparently.
Maybe she killed rusts dad?? But the no hospital records doesn't point to that. Rusts dad was a "survivalist" and they lived in the middle of nowhere. Didnt seem to have a lot of money. So its very likely he just never got treated. "Shes not on the ice" is referring to her NOT ending herself. Thats what shes saying. And we see her st the end for whatever reason, and they should just be her. It makes no sense. Its nonsense Tha avalanche thing was completely wrong. Like completely confirmed wrong. It was just part of the cover up. Did you miss that part? It was beyond shady. The mine lady was there when they told her and everything. Plus they'd never be frozen like that in that position, plus they weren't on a hill, plus they went over it with prior. Like when thry did the "ask questions" and determined that made no sense. "some answers dont have answers" is such a cop out. They didnt explain shit. This was a MASSIVE let down. The first season had such a good finale. They did NOTHING with the spiral, nothing with that weird worm, nothing with the Rust cole connections, just wtf.
Just go rewatch season one.. the fact that your talking about rust dad and you thought they were gonna give you season 1 stuff in final last episode. This show went over your head. season 1 didn’t answer everything and coming to your on conclusion is immensely more satisfying than what Russ coming back and arresting they lady and the tuttles in 30 min get real
He's talking about Rust' dad (Travis) because they put Ghost-Travis in the show! They put some season 1 stuff in & you expect people to not talk about it & rather turn around & watch season 1?! That makes no sense
@@AkiTerry This is the issue with the show and its writing. Too many people are holding onto season one. The writers of the current season know the fan base too well. So they add small connection to the first season for marketing purposes and to draw viewers in. But as you know these shows are anthologies so there is no link at all to the first season. There is no True Detective universe.
@@1975sabu lol the writers are the ones that made it a DIRECT sequel! Lol. A direct sequel. It's not a small link, it is the same universe. That's literally Rusts dad in the first episode. They connect rust seeing ghosts in episode one. They connect THE TUTTLES in this season, they literally name drop them. The last season LITERALLY teases this too. With the documentatian looking for info on the spiral and the cult. They literally name drop Rust and Marty in season 3. So?mm
Navarro walked out onto the ice WITH CLOTHING, peeps. If she was headed to The Spirit World, she would have done so buck-azz neked lol Honestly, it was such a hoot to come to know that The Ladies Club was responsible for what initially happened to the men, but that "Annie" did come back for them at the later half of that, forcing the men to bite themselves with delirium (giggles). The actress who portrayed "Rose" was astonishing -- why are The Brits (persons from England, Wales, Ireland/North Ireland and Scotland) so fucking good at Acting? True Detective 2025, bring it on... "we ready for y'all"!
Is no one going to talk about how Navarro had a different colored hat when she was at the bon fire at first and walking out on the ice, then had a different green hat after pulling Liz from the ice?
i did see that! i think it was set designers mistake, the people who are responsable for making the diff scene be excastly as the last. Like a modern water bottle was visble in the scene og GOT, and nor edited out, because no one caught it in postproduction
I think the best parts of this season involved Liz’s grief. There were some nice sentimental moments. Great acting by the leads and nice cinematography. That’s what kept me watching up to the last episode. The plot was awful. The scientist murders could have been solved based on the fingerprints already from episode 2 (most RUclipsrs caught this one). The scientist motivation to have the mine pollute more the water does not make any sense from a physics point of view (it was really hilarious😂). Assuming that these guys were truly looking for a microorganism, we are talking about some high level research. And Annie managed to understand everything just based on scribbles?! Having goddess Sedna lead Annie to the truth is actually a way more realistic explanation 😂😂😂 this is a very weak plot when it comes to the actual mystery. And it’s a pity for a show called true DETECTIVE.
Yeah man,I was looking for this comment; if you need samples so pure,rare,ancient and unusual that you have to drill into arctic ice caps to get at them, in what world are toxic contaminants going to help with that? Especially if it's supposed to be fragile genetic material? What did the pollutants do to the ice that made extraction easier without harming the samples? I could go on and on, it's so ridiculously unscientific, and poorly written from a whole multitude of story angles-they never really established what they are even looking for or what anyone could do with it in the first place beyond a school teacher shooting a load at the idea of some vague anti-senesence macguffinry. What a giant let down. This was an insultingly stupid resolution and the whole "multiple interpretations" handwaving isn't making this a smartly executed, mysterious experimental narrative, I swear dude the three comments I've seen defending this abortion seem to think they've just watched a David Lynch film and think we're stupid for wanting some things explained to us, when we noticed that this shit doesn't fit back together very well and that that isn't an explanation in and of itself when it doesn't serve the narrative.
No doubt answers could have been more clear with less open ends but I am gonna miss not seeing this series on Sunday nights. Jodie Foster is a great actor!!
Thank you for your video. I thought it was a good season with a bad ending. I would’ve wished that they could’ve explained somethings a little bit more and not just leave it up to us. For me these type of shows are for more logic than supernatural.
I think the ladies put the tongue there. The lady that does the cremation could’ve saved it. She said it’s just a story, so maybe she lied about that part of the story 🤷🏾♀️. Why those women didn’t have that same energy for Liz’s boyfriend?
Bee specifically tells the story of finding the underground lab, so if the tongue was kept there she could have found it. I tend to think she would have wanted to bury it with the rest of Annie K's body, but it is possible.
I liked the ending. It explained enough and the rest was left to your imagination. It should have been 8 episodes to fill out some of the other storylines tho.
I enjoyed the whole season, had a lot of fun trying to figure out what was going on. I’m ok not having all the answers wrapped in a bow at the end, that’s part of the fun, open to interpretation and intriguing discourse. Acting was also phenom! The setting was different and a character in itself. Really enjoyed the women centered plot as well as the indigenous people and historical fiction that’s such a big part of our country. Plus supernatural/spiritual/ origins of life/ science stuff… what more do you want?! Although I would have loved to explore the caves a bit more 🤓
I enjoyed your video. Season Four just wraps up the show for me, more questions than answers, but like whatever-it’s just a series and I’m not emotionally invested in any of the characters nor events; it was fun to watch.
I like your breakdowns and are usually right on the money. I am still undecided as to my feelings about Pt 4 of the series. I liked it but there were too many loose ends and unexplained things. 1- why even bother with the repeated call back to season 1 with absolutely no payoff or explanation. It's like they were trying to suck us in with the red herrings but no resolution. 2- what was the mine even mining and what was causing the pollution? 3- how did Otis survive so long? 4- Is Navarro dead or alive? I am tired of lazy showrunners copping out to "It's up to you to decide" Bullshit!! 5- I agree it was too short and at least 2 more episodes would have helped to flesh some of this out. I did like it and Jodi Foster was great as were the supporting cast but it could have been sooo much better. Season 1 is still my fave followed by S3 and this season.
That was a great video. Thanks. I disagree with your final conclusion, but I think that is very subjective. Some people like ambiguous endings. I am personally really tired of them with supernatural stories. I wasn't set one way or the other that this had to end with realism or with ghosts, but I'm tired of stories that say hey, maybe it was this, maybe it was that, you decide. More so, the show had too many things like ghosts in the background that the character didn't see so it was hard to say it was a subjective hallucination, it was the show having us the audience see a ghost in the background. That kind of thing just pulls me out of the story when it's left unresolved.
Not if it's a paranormal story. That would be like criticizing a crime story for having criminals be behind everything. The problem with this show is it couldn't make up it's mind, or it tried to have it both ways. Some people somehow like the ambiguity, but most of us find it murky and confused. @@sophiag612
Thanks for the awesome summary and analysis. In addition to the references you already pointed out from Season 1, there is also the use of the "time is a flat circle" line during the interrogation scene. I also wonder who wrote the "we are all dead" note on the research board in the lab. What strikes me is there also seem to be many similarities to AMC,s show The Terror. Specifically the arctic setting, the huge polar bear, cutting out of tongues, and the way she fall through the ice and seems to drift down with her arms in the air (as seen by the diver removing ice from the rudder in The Terror). Also when Navarro sees the guy shaking and light seems to come out of him like he was possessed and it has now left him, a similar effect is used when the monster bear in The Terror is killing and eating the sailors, almost like it is taking their souls. Maybe it is coincidence, but I found myself thinking of The Terror a lot while watching True Detective Night Country.
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What was the tongue about? What was the spirals about?the cleaning ladies out them on the ice so Annie could take revenge? I still don't get how resale was connected to the mine. Was it them causing the deaths in Ennis? This season started out so good yet the finale was really a let down.
season was crap and it just solidifies in my mind that there shouldn't have been any more seasons after the first
Hopefully this was a one off for the ladies
@@nikkirobertson2341the video and the season literally just answered all that
Season 4 was a waste of time. And I’m saying that as somebody who loved season 1, and really enjoyed season 2 and 3. The writing sucked in this.
The cleaning lady that found the drill bit is clearly The True Detective in this season.
😂😂😂 right
Lol, "I saw water go in the floor" , "it's the drill bit" I know what happened...yes what a sleuth 😂
And also the coast guard.
Lets not forget about the bucket of water that spilled 😂😂😂😂
Banger
Clark's version of Annie's death doesn't line up with the video she made because in the video she is in the process of trying to explain what she found and suddenly starts screaming. In Clark's version, she is smashing everything when the scientists find her, she does not have her cell in her hands, making a video.
Oh so Hank carried Annie’s body up a 100 foot ladder and then cut her tongue out in the hallway just for fun, this show sucked
Good catch 👍🏽
@@GonzoGolf Love how the explanation for the tongue was, “Who knows? LMFAO”
Easy catch
The best part is the idiot writer/director is going to be responding to tons of comments on Twitter on her horrible writing and will just lazily call people misogynists for asking questions.
I am so pissed that the creators of the show baited the audience by bringing in details from season 1 (travis, Tuttle, spiral) for no good reason.
No way to confirm yet, but I don't think the references to season one was pointless. If the creators wanted to subtly keep building up the Tuttle family as villains to be explored in future seasons, establishing them as pharmaceutical giants looking for shady ancient microorganisms as to extend human life for themselves is a pretty good way to start.
This x infinity
It's a nice call back and a tribute to the 1st and 3rd seasons and shows all 3 stories share the same universe
"This is a world where nothing is solved..."
That’s what happens when you have a bunch of diversity hires more interested in pushing their personal political agenda than telling a component, compelling story.
My favourite part was Navarro waking up from being knocked unconscious with a fire hydrant and immediately overpowering her attacker.
hahaha yes we didnt even need to see the fight the overpowering was ofc no problem
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@@SPIKESPIEGEL1969 riiight, well the character Navarro wasn't and if you really want to bring real life into it she could have won 10 world titles no-ones getting beaten unconscious with a fire hydrant, waking up and overpowering her attacker.
Overpower? She nearly beat him to death. Because boss chicks have no time for reality.
@@SPIKESPIEGEL1969 her vharacter isn't though
strong black woman. weak white man. all you need to know.
The tattooed hand is Julie, her sister. We saw her tattoos earlier this season.
So the scientists' clothes were barely covered with snow when Narravo found them, but no sign of or tracks from the big a$$ truck the hit squad cleaning ladies took them out there in?!
I too was wondering about all the tracks of the heavy trucks in the snow, they really whiffed on this one
But not enough clothes for the men, where are the rest? Oh we don't care about that plot hole 😂
I think because it snowed all night
The flash avalanche almost buried the men. It would have certainly covered any tire tracks.
@@bobreaderman5542exactly. The men were missing days before the search for them was underway. You know how quickly tracks can be covered. People have disappeared and been searched for in 24 hours and tracks have been lost in such a short amount of time.
According to scientific research, this season had a serious case of Gameofthronitis: crammed too much into too short of a season. Nothing was fully developed, and too many plotlines were left untouched/unresolved.
The plot was so dumb they had to mask it with a lot of supernatural visions of ghosts and innuendo to keep the audience intrigued until the end. Unfortunately they eventually had to reveal the actual story, and that's when the whole show comes crumbling down like a big pile of stupid.
Horrible script!
lol I like the name of that case because it’s soo true
the entire season could have been two episodes
@@TheBasedDogg It might as well have been. Everything that happened in all the other episodes turned out to be pointless.
I would of been down if Clark just said “ya we are trying to wake Cthulhu”
would have* not "would of"
I was hoping for that.
@@bulbasaur1232 don’t you dare
@@bulbasaur1232ugh 😑🙄 do you really have to nitpick grammatical errors?
@@bulbasaur1232That was so petty.
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bulls**t" is True Detective: Night Country.
lololololololololollol so TRUE!
I think was a really cool and interesting story . The final clues were really well done and I love the indigenous ppl getting their revenge 😊
Exactly!
From the playbook of the makers of Lost.
yep
@9:11 bear with me on this but I think this is the answer: I think Raymond was seeing Navarro during this scene. Not that Navarro was there during the murders BUT he was seeing Navarro standing there in the future. He was merely freaked out by her “presence” because, well, “Time is a flat circle.”
Well, we all overthought this one. None of the mythology of the native culture came to fruition. Navarro’s hallucinations not explained. “Night Country” was an overly ritzy name for a tunnel of ice caverns. We still don’t know what the scientists really found in their work. The spiral was never explained except perhaps as a fossil under the ice. Some characters did not really add to the story. Jules character was wholly underdeveloped. Everyone here was an unreliable narrator. The cleaning crew as killers? I don’t know but I had expectations to be blown away in the finale. Wasn’t.
Yeah the prehistoric skeleton just left alone..." It's a danger sign" ridiculous...you blatantly abused season one lore
@@autk the comparison to the Dyatkov Pass incident was dead on until the last episode and that disappeared into the cleaning ladies murder?? The polar bear was given short shrift. Under developed polar bear!? Just a lot of red herrings. Annie’s tongue not explained.
Stupid ass show! Ending was a bunch of swifties as the heroes.
@@skylark1250 Facts..True Detective "Red Herring Country"
Nah. Some of you overthought this one. I wanted them to do more with the supernatural and hoped they would, but if you were still championing one of these Sedna theories after episode 5 when the name hadn’t been mentioned in the show then I don’t know what to say.
Even Hanks fiancee didnt want to be seen in this show
Lol
lol she was there in spirit they just ran out of episodes.
😂😂😂
😂😂
@travelinlight1141 you meant she flew back away in SPIRIT AIRLINES on that Xmas eve
My heart breaks for Qavvik😢
I know. I hope she’s not dead but I think she is 😢
Yeah he lost a lover and a bar waitress
He was a secondary character that had like 3 scenes 🤣
My heart breaks for everyone who watched this season
I was pretty sure he was the killer. He simply was too nice.
This show is even more frustrating than other disappointing shows because there was a lot of potential. Great setting, strong cast, many good ideas... but ultimately let down by bad writing failing to tie it all together. Also probably a separate discussion all on its own, but I found the romantisization of Navarro's suicide extremely off-putting.
Someone said Annie’s tongue was Clark’s attempt to bring her back to life with what they found in the ice, that’s why it looks fresh and not decayed
Is Navarro Alive? How did Annie’s tongue get there? What is the relevance of Twist and Shout? What does “ She’s awake” mean? What happened while Navarro was in combat? How were Otis Heis injuries sustained? What’s up with the polar bear, the pointing ghosts, the cross necklace and the visions?
"She" is referring to the spirit that the cleaning ladies let decide if the scientists would live or not. She may or may not exist depending on your interpretation. However, Clark was a nut and believed "she" was Annie K.
ssshhhh... "men bad, women good". gn
Sometimes supernatural things happen. Grow up
She is not alive, when she comes to screen at right side, Jodie Foster didn't turned his head to her
How could Clark go so crazy over spiritual things when he's a scientist? they don't believe in that stuff. Maybe he was drinking the polluted water and it messed up his brain.
The things they leave unanswered are the most unexplainable things that happened on the snow. Why did the carabou jump off a cliff? What was the deal with the polar bear? What was with the hallucinations? Why does Liz see a hub cap, a necklace in her hair and wtf was with the tongue spot having an expanding ice spot. Even the thing with Navarro seeing into the past to what Clarke did made no sense. What about Navarro getting bleeding ears at the dredges and on the ice? What about what happened with Heiss in his freak accident that he initially survived? Bizarre choices imo for them to leave those things so vague and ambiguous.
The only thing I can answer here is the hubcap. Liz was seeing flashback/visions of the car crash her husband and son apparently died in.
Right, and how did Navarro know about the half peekaboo game that Liz and Holden played...she couldn't have! I was NOT wanting a supernatural explanation.
I’m not trying to defend the season( cause it’s a mess) but 🤓, the caribou jumped off because of the environmental damage from the mine maybe, polar bear was just cause of the doll?, hubcap explained below, necklace in her hair was Nazarros sisters or moms. I think that spot is like a time portal. The tongue leaving a frozen spot, Navarro seeing Clark and him seeing her(mistaking her for Annie). My guess is people are time traveling and being injured by the time travel/ maybe ghosts. It was weird
The caribou were affected by the pollution, driving them mad or whatever, thus jumping off the cliff. The polar bear signified Holden's stuffed bear. The hallucinations could be a result of the pollution, I guess? The hubcap was related to the accident that killed Liz's husband and son. The necklace and spot where the tongue was found? No idea about those. Navarro seeing Clarke in the past was pointless, for sure.
The pollution impacted the wildlife.
So my theory is that Navarro was able to pass the test to be spared by the spirit when she crossed the desert landscape in that hallucination. When Navarro began bleeding from the ears, she closed her eyes. I think, had she kept them open, she would have suffered the other effects of the spirit such as the burnt corneas, and would have lost her life. There was wailing happening as her ears bled, as if terrifying images of violence and death were soon to be seen. Perhaps the doctors' faces frozen in fear were another indication of them having their eyes open and seeing what made those screams.
This is a fun theoy! Admittedly I’m not smart enough to figure out what happened to Navarro on my own 😂 but this feels better than her dying so I’ll go with this!
That's good. I also think in that moment you're describing, she finally had control too. Over her emotions and reactions. She was finally truly "listening"
@@gemmagemma-wx2bsYea, I got that too. She finally seemed at peace with all that had been afflicting her, so by the end it seemed she felt internally found and would not commit suicide. I’d like to believe she’s with Oliver Tegaq in peace, in nature, her true home, where her spirit truly belongs.
You are looking into this horribly written show way too much. Sorry.
Would have been cool if they explained literally any of this in the show but I think honestly you might be giving the writers too much credit here
Oh wow! This is beautiful. Im a fan of jodi foster, but when I first heard there was a supernatural element to this show, I didnt want to bother watching it. Hearing your analysis of it makes me want to actually watch it now. thank you.
Jodi was amazing in it, as always. Worth your time as long as you are aware the ending is a letdown.
To everyone who has all of these questions that they feel were left unanswered:
You're asking the wrong question. The question is why did you waste your time watching this show?
Most of the fans were jebaited by spiral symbolism & other "supposed" season 1 connections.
@@crozraven110% true
Lmao sorry Jodie Foster
Nice!
I think there’s a small element of time travel/alternate parallel universes…Clark mentions something about time being a loop, the first thing I thought was how is twist and shout still playing when Danvers ripped it out in episode one. Could also explain why the tongue was still in such good shape 6 yrs later.
Nice Touch! I also thought Navarro was the one who freaked out Clarke in Episode 1 seeing him in Episode 6 - it was a closed time loop.
@@Ramiroocampothat’s make sense
Episode five talks about the flat Circle of Time, Wen McConaughey and Harrelson find the two guys holding the two children hostage. The one guy in handcuffs talks about “the flat circle of time”
lol
Ok i love this theory i hope this thread expands lol i also thought there was some time travel sci-fi stuff going on with that weird clark/navarro scene, and i caught the tape still playing i was like “are they BOTH trippin right now being back in time??”
This has always been the case with the series, theres hints and bits of cosmic horror & weird fiction thrown in, blended with the spiritual and grounded with human experiences
I wanted to like this season so bad, but the writing and pacing were unforgivable. This season had so much going for it on paper and I'm left wondering what it could have been in the hands of a competent writer
Honestly, I am not sure I believe you wanted to like it. You wanted it to be season 1, right? Been there, done that. This was different and also very good.
@@kathryncainmadsen5850this person did not even mention season 1 and is clearly not saying that lol
Wimminz write drivel..
i'm sure they'll fix it when the game comes out "Night Country - Rewind"
@@kathryncainmadsen5850 I hoped this would be like season 1 as well since the creators baited on season 1 so much saying it would be "coNnEcted" and all that shit. After the first episode I gave up on that and tried to enjoy the season as a stand alone, but it didn't do well even on it's own. This season was just terrible.
So the people who clean and found the hatch didn't clean their own prints?
Hahaha good one. You are the true deceive this season
The fingerless gal removed her gloves, the others didn't.
I'm saying that how did Clark not tell the cops who killed the scientists since the cops helped cover up the murder of the girl and were involved with the mine cover up. Clark saw the woman come in. This makes no sense.
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Ennis PD can't investigate their own asses so why worry about that?
I don't think Raymond made the shrine to Annie. I think it was the women that made the shrine to commemorate her, it seems more fitting with all the animal bones, native decorations, and the spiral on the roof
That makes more sense.
They could have really used you and this idea in the writers room on this show, not gonna lie, I do not believe they thought this story out that far, as this idea could have easily made it into the ending house scene reveal.
@@CobblesteinSwobblepopyeah it just didnt make sense for him to have made it. Like the teacher that Liz had the afair with even said how they "never left the station". I was really enjoying the series but the more I think about it, the more holes I pick in the plot. Shame.
I think the "Hawaii" coffee mug from Danvers' debrief scene is the same one they were drinking from at Tsalal Station at the end. Like did Liz keep it as a souvenir?
disappointing ending would be an understatement
I was very disappointed ☹️
Disappointing season, it really went downhill after ep 1
@@boost3188 But Ep 5 was really very good too.
@@moniqueengleman873 Me too!
@@hansborne4929 true, it raised my expectations hoping the season could be salvaged by a strong two episode finish
I don’t think Navarro is dead. I think she went wherever Oliver Tagaq went. That’s probably her on the porch. She went looking for her roots with her new name.
I love this. I hope it’s true.
@@rebeccaclark1018
So they having season 6.1 soon?
@@NorNor-bb6dnthere are unfounded rumors of them making this into a series. Depends on the ratings or whatever they use now lol.
Yeah I think its meant to be open ended. I was assuming Danvers was covering and she was with her but I like your theory better.
Oh she dead
There’s a moment in S7 of Game of Thrones when they’re beyond the Wall and Barrick suggests killing the Night King to defeat every single White Walker and Wight. The camera ominously rotates to the Night King, and Jon Snow says, “You don’t understand.” As if there’s some epic mystery yet to be revealed. Of course, there wasn’t … just crap writing for a cheap thrill in the moment.
This season of True Detective is best summed up by Clark’s quote in the middle of the finale … “Time is a flat circle…” Uh, what?? That was nothing more than a mindless Easter egg. What wasted potential.
They used s1 Easter eggs just to bait the audience
I cringed when he uttered that line.
You are missing all the metaphysic, quantums and neutrons here. You're not trascending to the next life form.
Kai'Sa K'Sante Rek'Sai!!! 🙌🏻☀️
The redeeming Easter egg was Jodie Foster. She is the most mis-applied under-appreciated talent in all of Hollywood history. She is quite possibly one of the best actors of all time. But that can't ever be proven due to all the crappy roles she has accepted. We really didn't need her stealing the show in "Nyad", an after school special about trying to swim yourself all the way to death. Other than that, and now this, you have to go back a few years to see them really casting her, say Hannibal back to Sommersby or all the way back to Taxi Driver. Before most people here's birthdate. Long blanks in the timeline. Maybe she just didn't want a ton of roles and pursued the directing instead, as stated on her Wiki. But she was really good in this one.
i think you absolutely nailed it here and i gotta thank you for helping me understand the finale a HELL of a lot more.
The best part was how Danvers broke the glass of the refrigerator by repeatedly hammering on it with the iron bar. She even had to hoster her gun to take a full swing with both hands... when she could simply have shot the glass. A close second is how the handprint on the hatch can be matched to exactly the one person in the whole town who had mangled fingers - talk about a lucky break! Oh and the hatch leading to the ice lab, that was conveniently hidden under floor tiles so the forensic team in Ep1 couldn't find it, but was also conveniently left unlocked so the cleaning lady could get to the lab in Ep6.
You do a really good job on your breakdowns, they’re really entertaining to watch. Your breakdowns on the first two episodes actually persuaded me to watch the entire show as I had not seen any of it before then.
My theory was that Annie was contaminated by the organism on the drill bit functionally giving her immortality and letting her be the killer.
drill - naaree (Hindi) is Woman, in Somali it's Hell
Woman Female -a daughter of eve- dril -NAARI- NarI
Beatrice Literary: beloved heroine of Dante's "Divine Comedy" and of Shakespeare's "Much Ado About Nothing". So for me there's plenty of esoteric elements here, the sign; a helix is Kundalini in Hindi. It reminds me of The X files, always about black oil, aliens= strange woman, aliena in Latin. It's the 9/11 awakening of the feminine kundalini energy, which supposedly leads to enlightenment...''pure consciousness''. So the esoteric was there for those looking, others just saw a police procedural plot, it's up to the viewer to decide...the Last circle in Dante's Inferno is the 9th for Treachery..Trapped in the ice, each according to his guilt, are punished sinners guilty of treachery against those with whom they had special relationships.
Thank you for the Super Thanks Ibrahim! :)
@@ThinkStory Thanks for the videos
Raymond talked about time being a flat circle. When Navarro saw him after his death, it was her seeing the past, while he saw her in the future in that moment.
Isn't the flat circle another call back to Season 1? I think Rust said that to the detectives during his interview.
@@boomslangCA Yes, it's perhaps the most obnoxious and out of place reference to season 1 in the whole season
It's just a shit throwback, dude.
@@boomslangCAthat's it. The reference to the spiral is above the king in yellow or the Tuttles. It's the flat line existence. We just got drawn there because people wanted so badly for the connection to be another, that they were utterly disappointed, when both are the same in the two seasons.
@@susanavieira8009no, the writers blatantly used it as a Red Herring, abusing season one folklore for interest whilst taking a dump on the same and making a joke of season one.
One thing I noticed was, once Liz fell bellow the ice, her repressed memories of her son came to light. She had buried them below the surface. The shot itself represents this.
So deep. Like a ice cave! See what i did there? Can i get a show too now HBO? I promise only strong women. What a joke.
That’s a really good point!
You effing nailed this one…. almost like we shared completely unrelated (but equally traumatic) experiences and mind-melded. Bravo
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
The aggressiveness in which the scientists killed Annie was ABSURD and even more unbelievable considering how pathetically submissive they were to Eskimo cleaning women…
This is the secret research facility in which no one comes and goes. Except the vending machine guy and half the women from the Eskimo village. Bravo
They’re men. Don’t you know all men are just bloodthirsty killers in disguise? Women are all good
Mob effect..it can happen
@@ErickaWilliamsCC Even if it could happen, this whole season was so little about the scientists and so much about Annie K, so it's hard to understand their sudden motivation based on a few seconds of flashback. We never really knew who they were, what relationship they had with each other, how it was working there for them. So in essence - bad writing regardless. Good writing would've been making it make sense. Just like Daenerys going mad in GoT. It could've worked, if they showed how it happened successively during the show. Not if it's just built up very suddenly with little to no grounds for it.
Wow. Sounds like you have nothing but contempt for "Eskimo" cleaning women. Yes, that story Raymond told was probably not entirely true.
Show Name: True Detective
Main Characters: Bad Detective(s)
Of course Denver’s is the true detective… she’s the last one alive.
Supernatural detective is Navarro
@@robertdavis5753 for a Supernatural Detective she solved absolutely no mysteries except her Cherokee name or whatever lmao they were both useless
@@robertdavis5753both trash useless girlboss
Pure trash!
Plot summary: Grumpy detectives argue with each other while they wait for frozen people to melt.
I just love when every theory out there is better than what we all saw on the screen.
Lol. True
No you guys just thought to hard and didn't let the show just be the show. You needed a logical explanation for everything so you ruined it for yourself
@@Pilot646 You're probably right. The people that don't think, most likely, did enjoy it more. An excellent point.
@@nightfall902 nah the people that came here and dug and dug ruined it for themselves a friend of mine enjoyed it and didn't watch a single RUclips video.
@@Pilot646 But....were they thinking about it as they watched? It's like a Tom and Jerry cartoon....we know that Jerry hitting Tom with a frying pan, should be fatal or at least cause severe injury...we just don't think about that part. You're not supposed to think about it. If you raise questions, however; you expect the audience to think about possible answers.
Man, this season was kind of a mixed bag for me but ultimately great performances by all the leads. I hope to see Kali Reis in more acting ventures soon.
I really enjoyed the series. I also enjoyed your clarifications of some of the events. Thanks for your insights.
Like everything else, the twist reveal of the killer was stolen from season 1. Errol Childress was an easily overlooked menial worker who was questioned by detectives repeatedly on unrelated questions. Same with the killers in this season. They even threw in the minor bad guy hitting them with "time is a flat circle" right before dying. Who wrote this, Claudine Gay?
@@SPIKESPIEGEL1969 Agreed. Wasn't this story originally submitted as it's own unrelated project and then "tweaked" to fit into True Detective?
@@urielthelesserwell season one had the Alaska reference in it
@@Ramiroocampo yes it did. So?
Errol Childress was just one of the killers. The audience never finds out who the other killers are, except for maybe Reverend Tuttle. Tuttle was involved, but it’s never made clear if he killed anyone.
The best breakdowns on True Detective this season by far. Thank you for the videos
Do check out Pete Peppers
I’m sorry but doesnt Clark have the tattoo of the spiral on his chest?? I didn’t see it in the finale episode. Correct me if I’m wrong
He did he had the tattoo
He got it after her death
@@ErickaWilliamsCCah gotcha
How far this show has come down from the first season, amazing. I wont be wasting my time with this show.
"oranges. my mom loved oranges."
orange you glad this season is over?
More questions are left than answers. Season 1 is still the goat. Seeing the indigenous perspectives was pretty cool.
Agreed. The setting was really cool too.
Their perspectives are the same as always. This season was horrible in every way nearly. The ending was absurdly disappointing also.
it’s kinda funny thinking about all the theories and twists everyone was coming up with when the actual ending could’ve been guessed on episode 1
It is a very bad sign when fan theories are so much better than what is actually happening on screen that people become invested in them instead.
Dear HBO, in case you missed it people want light supernatural stuff and delving in the mythos of the Yellow King Cult. Not whatever nonsense your edgy creator wants to make season 5 about.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 the first episode i myself thought someone forced the scientists outside and made them strip, but then i thought nah there’s no way it’s that obvious
And then dying on the ice is a freezing falling asleep death, not dying in an instant with terror on your faces
I personally think it was a joke on the audience who thought they were the "true detective".
It would be funny if it weren’t so sad. Why even include the cool Easter eggs from Season 1? Oh yeah … 💰
Vitamin C from oranges and sulfur-limonene can absorb mercury so if the mine is polluting the water supply it’s got to be linked to how Julia and Navarros mom loved oranges and peels, perhaps triggering psychosis?
Interesting,but wouldn't that require one grows oranges in Alaska?
There's a reason Florida's the state famous for oranges...Is the affinity between mercury and vitamin c such that washing oranges off in the sink could be enough to contaminate them? Unfortunately I think your idea is more interesting than anything that was ultimately written into the show...
@@whitekony1006they were probably California oranges.
@@whitekony1006I don’t see the need for growing them there when everything is imported. In the finale in Tsalal you see oranges stockpiled in the fridge. When Danvers peels one it drops where the tongue was. A silvery substance (mercury) is on the floor where Annies tongue was and starts to pull toward the orange like a magnetic field. Danvers is fixated on this before Navarro startles her and bumps her head.
@@whitekony1006lol ...this comment actually made me lol-- very loud!
@@patrickpeterson5835 huh,I missed that I guess. I thought the silvery substance was frost,and more supernatural bait and switch.
I think your idea is interesting and compelling, but I don't see how imported oranges are going to absorb dangerous quantities of contaminants if they aren't in direct contact with them through the water supply or wherever else....I mean, generally I don't keep my oranges packed in mine tailings,maybe they do things differently in ennis.
For the record,though I crack wise I'm hoping you don't take it for insult. I think your theory is really neat and the interaction is scientifically fascinating subject in its own right. If there were a plausible way for the oranges to absorb the contaminants I think that that your idea may indeed be a purposeful Easter egg that was placed for canny viewers like you.
I quite enjoyed this season. Nothing can ever touch season one. But I was happy they answered all my questions
- Why did Clark have a premonition that "She's awake" before the women busted into the station to kill all the scientists?
- They made a big deal out of the electricity going out at the station before all the scientists died and the same thing happened in the video Annie was recording when she died. But when we see Annie's murder she's not being chased while on the phone and then the power goes out. She is smashing up the samples with the power on, phone nowhere to be seen, and then she is attacked.
- If Annie wasn't murdered in the way Clark described then weren't all the vigilante women actually the bad guys?
- Where did the tongue come from?
- Why did the residue left by the tongue grow?
- Who was tossing the oranges?
- What was the importance of the song Twist & Shout?
- How was there still a scientist alive in the that pile?
- Why was there a necklace in Liz's hair?
- What is the point of the polar bear?
There are many more.
"who was tossing the oranges?" 🤣🤣🤣 LMAO
I need to watch the first season to get this taste out of my mouth
😂
You still mad it's two women solving the mystery 😅
@@SACosby-lp5td No it was just bad.. The entire mystery wasnt solved at all.. The video Annie took as she was murdered didnt match up with the retelling of her murder.. so we dont know what actually happened with Annie or why her tongue was cut out or who did it or why it appeared 6 years later.. We also dont know why Navarro's ears bled, or the scientists ears bled or what killed them considering they said they died before they froze.. and they had the same condition that the drug addict had after an "accident" that also wasnt explained.. So we dont know how any of the victims died.. we dont know who killed anyone.. we dont know how.. So what mystery did the women solve? Im left with more questions after the finale than i had after episode 1..
@@SACosby-lp5tdiam a women too. But this season it just flopped. Not because it was just two women but the screenplay was lazy. Don't bring cheap white feminism into everything. Not everything is about it.
@@SACosby-lp5td Im mad at the writer, he wrote them like buffoons, do you know how shows work? You realize the women are not just improvising? You must be slow
Unfortunately, I think the only thing I'm gonna remember from this season is "Cleaning Lady Girl-Power Hit Squad"
Lol ...and why use all the "The Thing" character references...Cheap plot device
And one has her CDL
such bs I was laughing during the feral gurl power screaming in the background when they were rounding them up. I was like of course a bunch of middle aged to granny level chicks some missing fingers took all those guys out.
😂😂
Set the new year stare down wakeup timer!
“It’s Ennis, nobody ever leaves.” 😂
Literally made me cringe 😂😂
Other than season 1 no other seasons of true detective has reached that peak of perfection.
How could you
Season 3 was a million times better than this bullshit
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Your joke is not funny
3 was close. 1 was just the best 8 episodes of television ever.
The hand was her sister Julia's who knew she didn't know her real name> This was her sister's way of telling her she reunited with their mother and was able to get that information. It could of also been Annie and her way of letting Evangeline know she's at peace now and Thanking her.
One of the killer women has a grim reaper tee shirt on. Also Prior has Sgt stripes at the interview.
I didn’t catch that! TY. ❤️
Good catch
Omg that’s so wholesome. Sgt Prior
i cant beleive all the men just ganged up and killed annie
No one can. It makes no sense
The cleaning lady with CSI skills to solve the murder in 60 seconds was super believable
It was staged so badly and without apparent motivation; Clark watching and “agonizing”, then suddenly strangling her was just stupid. No, worse: it was STOOPID.
He had to be the one that killed her. He knew she was going to die. It could have been someone else to finish the job and he did not want to live with what could have happened. He did it as a twisted way to show mercy
yeah cause its unbelievable and sloppy writing.
at the very end...
I have a question about that video confession
(on Navarro"s cell phone) that they said Navarro got from Raymond Clark.
(the leaked video)
When could she have recorded it? In the video
he looked cleaned up, very coherent & not
crazy at all.
In E6 from the first
contact, Danvers & Navarro had with Clark...until he died...
he looked crazy, filthy.
Then he was bloodied
& messed up when they were interrogating him.
When/how? could he have been recorded
confessing what the scientists/mine were doing?? I'm confused.
Danvers left to go sleep and then woke up in the cold because the power went out. Plenty of time for a confession to happen off screen.
@@dameongeppetto
I don't doubt there was time to create his video confession. But in the video he was all cleaned up & he had NO wounds on his face. For the entire E6, he looked like a crazy homeless man. The video is not consistent with how he was portrayed for the entire E6.
@@starcat58 okay, I answered your question but you seem to expect everything spelled out perfectly. The 6 episode format rushed things and cut out a lot of room for explanations. The True Detective name forced too much fan service filler, IMO. I liked the story and will leave it there, as not everything has to be clearly resolved to enjoy the media.
Yea I caught that too this season was so bad 😢
@@dameongeppetto nah it was hot garbage. Throw a ton of unrelated plots and never revisit most of them and you think that’s some sort of “ you figure out what it means.” That’s lazy writing and Jody Foster was less then thrilled how the show ended up after her first meeting she said it never went to the places she was told it would go and she doesn’t bad mouth it because it was still going on but watch and see if she doesn’t bitch about the way the season went nowhere and everywhere that really contradicted itself over and over. Lost was guilty of this in the next to last season. Stars of Lost said it seemed like the writers had so many sub plots that would never line up with later developments and they would quietly act like not bringing them back up no one would notice. It almost ruined the series. Someone needed to talk to the creator/ writers/ producers of season four this year and ask them to explain it to them. They had a great setting and the night factor 24/7 and a great start and allowed it to get bogged down with really bizarre writing. Loved how Jody Fosters step daughter/ runs away and out of the blue without settling anything goes from total disgust to forgives her and they hadn’t even talked. Wasted time on that and the great actor that played Hank’s character was like an abridged version because they touched on a few things like his mail order bride and the best was his son shooting him in the head as opposed to a non lethal shot so he could get info from him. Nope just shoot your dad dead we don’t need to know anything. And the guy Liz was sleeping with, her supervisor that was in on the pollution thing but allows her to work the case even though the lady from the company wanted no one snooping around but allows Liz to keep investigating. Made no sense. It would lead back to him but we don’t know cuz he wasn’t mentioned or seen in the last episode. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Back in ep 4 Liz deduced about a generator existing in the ice cave based on Annie's death footage where the power goes out yet after revealing the power outage was caused by the women cleaners before the scientists' deaths, it doesn't match w the murder reveal of Annie since the power never went out and there's no relation between these two events. Also, Annie's video stopped recording as we find out that Clarke had stepped on the phone that ended the recording which I find inconsistent based on the time it took Clarke to get to the caves and interrupt her murder. I'm going to assume it took Clarke at least 3 minutes or so to get to the caves from his bedroom AFTER Annie's screams took place.
End of ep 3, we were shown how Annie died and her screams went on for a good 10 seconds I believe and followed by ep 4 as Liz was closely viewing the footage the video ended 2-3 seconds after Annie's scream due to the power outage (or Clarke stepping on the phone) which originally the video should last longer than that. The writing feels sorta lazy how the caves was deduced by Liz due to the discontinuity of the footage and the two separate events that took place.
My favorite part is when Danvers is trapped in the walk-in freezer with the glass door and despite the fact that she has a gun in her hands and Clark is about to kill Navarro, she holsters her gun and looks for something to break the glass. Some of the best and most air-tight writing right there.
So let me get this straight...
Women CSI find out that men at the station are involved with a murder, but they don't know whom specifically. Instead of investigating and finding the person at fault, as revenge they decide to KILL EVERYONE there. Regardless of their job at the station.
Let me remind you that THE WOMAN IN CHARGE OF THE MINE IS STILL ALIVE and got away with it! Also also, the man who is for sure the real murderer (Clark), SURVIVED THE WOMEN CSI hunt (because he hid in the basement ladder thing).
To summarize, a bunch of women killed everyone at the station EXCEPT the person who murdered Annie (and they did this for revenge), and the other person involved with Annie is off scot-free.
Yeah, why did they think ALL the scientist killed her? Cuz they covered it up so they're all guilty?
Your video was a very comprehensive breakdown. I really enjoyed this season. Thanks for covering it so extensively.
I don't find it hard to believe the scientists would kill Annie to keep their secret since they were already gradually poisoning & murdering an entire town.
I do. There's nothing in this story to indicate these scientists were so desperate to keep their secret as to kill someone. They could just have her arrested for destruction of private property by the corrupt cops.
That's stupid there was a group of scientist from all over ther world. It is hard to believe that all the cointries just let slide their death and shut down the lab in which was invested millions already.
Yes, they were killing babies and didn't care for their work. Why wouldn't they get a woman who ruined years and years of work that they thought was changing the world
Good one
So we are supposed to believe that these geniuses found the cure for World hunger etc but couldn't fathom a brain cell between them to try to overpower these women, yet ran off starkers to face certain death. What a crock of.....
I really liked the supernatural elements added this season.
And while some things we know for sure happened like the main incident with the scientists being killed. Some things are still left unanswered.
Everyone denies cutting out the tongue. And the people who claim to see ghosts have a family history of mental illness. Save for the older woman that finds the scientists bodies.
Glad the same team is coming back for season 5.
I had to watch each episode a few times to catch all the clues I missed, and I still didn't figure out what was happening until the last two episodes
18:40 I felt something similar when I used to live on the shore of Lake Michigan. There was something about the lake in the wintertime that makes you want to run as far as you can. Past the horizon. Almost like a pull.
Beware the ice mountains.
@@quinnzykir feels like Mountain of Madness
@@conq1273 it felt like it. Happens when ice sheets push together. Never tried to go up to them on my snowmobile. I was afraid the ice was too thin
@@quinnzykir is it true Frozen Lake can 'sing' ?
@@conq1273 they can.
**POSED THIS QUESTION BEFORE I WATCHED THIS VIDEO**Did I miss it or was it never explained how Danvers son & husband died? And was the step daughter her husband's biological child? I kept waiting for those dream sequences/fever dreams to explain it whenever the child appeared.🤷🏾♀️
It was a car accident. You didn’t see it but it was a car crash. And yes Leah was her step daughter.
Danvers made a comment about Holden being in a car. He & her husband died in a car accident.
She is the baby from when Danvers and Navarro shot the wife beater
@@sonnydaze8008s
She cannot be.
@@sonnydaze8008sNo
Excellent and comprehensive video.. I watched all 6 episodes twice - but you still filled in a couple of small gaps for me.. I got my arms around all the nooks and crannies of the plot now because of this video.. thank you.
Really liked the first two episodes. The middle kinda wore me down, and it's like the writers were scrambling to pull it all together in a final episode. Liz's character was a little too "forced" for me. The crazy father shooting, and the tooth in the wall, magic, man that was so unexpected. A little bit more depth on the native beliefs, and a bit more on the stronger linkage to the Tuttle family would have been nice (I missed it until it was discussed here). Nothing beats the first season, but I enjoyed the depth of the cold, and desperation of the darkness on this series.
Louisianna (S1) is very, very oil rich. Makes sense that the Tuttles are there *and* in Alaska (also oil rich).
Having rewatched the final episode, here are my thoughts
….
Things that made me laugh/feel warm and fuzzy:
• Longest cold open
ever! 😃
• Didn’t they drive
reeeeaaaally far,
just to end up
right underneath
Tsalal? 🤣
• Why couldn’t
Danvers just shoot
out the freezer
door?🚪
• The power outage
on the road out of
town was brilliant!
• So many parka
changes! 😄
• The way Danvers
says, “fuck” is
hilarious. 😆
• “I am not merciful.”
Beauty! 👍
• The hubcap ….
good jump scare.
😱
• Bea’s story:
scientists were
killed by the great
spirit, because
they dug into the
ice, woke her up,
and killed Annie.
The spirit took the
the scientists,
when offered:
“I guess
she ate their
fucken dreams
from the inside
out, and spit their
frozen bones.
But …. it’s just a
story.”
Love it! 🥰
• The fact that the
corrupt coverup
actually ended up
absolving the
Iñupiaq women is
delicious. Mwah!
🤓
• Danvers kept the
Hawaii mug from
the New Year’s
toast with Navarro
at Tsalal.
She’s sentimental,
now. 😊
• Holden can see her
through the bear -
I love that! ♥️
….
Infuriating true things:
• Virtually every man
who ever killed his
significant other
claims to have
loved her, and
states, “I would
never hurt her.”
They ALWAYS say
that, and it’s
always a lie.
• Clark forgot to
mention
suffocating
Annie with his
t-shirt. 😒
• Such arrogance!
Clark still claims
he loves Annie, but
clearly nothing was
more important to
him than his
‘world-changing’
work.
• It all smacks of
colonialism, racial
condescension
and gender bias.
Clark and the other
scientists believed
that their work was
so important that
the lives of the
villagers were just
the cost of ‘their
grand quest.’ 🙄
….
Some things I’ve gleaned:
We assumed a single person/entity was responsible for
leaving/moving the items, and for the visions - but turns
out it’s busy in the
land of the dead ….
• Navarro’s mom
was responsible
for the whispers,
Navarro’s visions,
the oranges and
the necklace;
• Holden was
responsible for
the polar bears 🐻❄️
(both stuffed and
gigantic), both
women’s bear
visions, and finally
for bloody “Twist
and Shout.” 😆
It was SO obvious,
and yet I missed it.
The song was
playing on the
boombox in the
pivotal “I see you”
scene. And that’s
why Danvers hates
it - because it
reminds her of her
loss.
I was certain it was
going to be playing
in the crashed car,
but since she
wasn’t there (see
further down), she
wouldn’t have
heard it.
• Annie must have
been responsible
for the tongue. 👅
No one else had
access to it, nor
had knowledge
of its connection
to Tsalal.
• It’s good that Lund
suffered the most,
since he was
Annie’s
original attacker.
• The woman
screaming in the
generator
background was
Navarro’s mother,
trying to tell her
what her
Iñupiaq name is.
The soldier with
half a head missing
was so close to
death that her
mom could break
through the veil.
She attempted
to say her Iñupiaq
name, but failed for
some reason. 🤷🏼♀️
• The sound of the
screaming appears
to make the ears
bleed.
• Danvers didn’t see
anything, once she
was in the water -
she was just dying.
• In her vision of the
car accident,
Danvers is wearing
the same blanket
she has on at
Tsala, so she’s not
there.
She wasn’t there
when it happened,
and she agonizes
about Holden’s last
moments.
• Rose has seen and
done some things.
😳
She knows what
“comes after .…
forever.”
So, she’s clearly
killed somebody,
likely Travis (with
his permission).
• Navarro is dead.
She was no longer
afraid of the
calling/screaming,
once she realized it
was just her
mother trying to
“tell her something
she needed to
know,” per Rose.
• Navarro did “come
back” to both of
the people who
asked her to,
mainly to return
their stuff. 😁
• Dead Navarro was
responsible for
returning the
stuffed polar bear
to Danvers (the
final time), the
phone with the
confession
on it, and the
Sponge-Bob
toothbrush to
Eddie.
• I realized that
“come back” and
“try to come back”
both were
intentionally
referring to after
death.
• “This is Ennis;
nobody ever really
leaves.”
Navarro is gone,
but not really gone.
….
Things I don’t know
for sure: 🤷🏼♀️
• Whose baby was
that at Wheeler’s?
Was it Darwin?!
I think it’s Darwin!
Does the timeline
work? Because no
one ever says
anything about
Kayla having been
pregnant. And the
“He doesn’t really
look like you”
comment about
Holden could
easily also be
applied to Peter
and Darwin.
Darwin doesn’t
resemble Peter at
all.
So, when Pete tells
Kayla, “I ruined
your life. You never
wanted the baby,”
he could well have
been talking about
bringing home
an orphaned child.
• Is the orange that
leads Danvers
to the tongue
imprint on the
floor important?
Was it Annie taking
credit? Navarro’s
mom? 🤔 Was it
just a spiritual
psych gag? 🤪
• How did Clark end
up buried to his
waste in ice? 🧊🤨
• Why didn’t Navarro
tell Danvers right
away that she had
gotten a recorded
confession from
Clark? 🤷🏼♀️
• Navarro’s
whispering
mother stopped
her going outside
to freeze, then
showed her a
replay of
Clark’s seizure -
why?
• the women who
were at Bea’s
house “super-
early:” do they
all live there?
They had coats
on, so did they all
just show up? Did
somebody call
them? Are they
ALL victims of
domestic violence?
• May 12, first long
day of the year -
any relevance?
• Same hunter at
the beginning and
end. Meaning?
….
One thing that
bugged me a little:
• I know it was cold
🥶 out, but Navarro
could’ve tried
harder to get the
generator going.
And it really should
have started easily
- it’s for
emergencies, after
all.
That is all. ☺️
This is a brilliant and underrated comment 🙌
@@sarahlpw
Thank you! 😊
All of that stuff didn’t get wrapped up because the writing was sloppy. Tried to fit too much in. Season 1 Easter eggs just to drag people to watch it. Then not answer anything about it. Then had to madame web it at the end. I actually liked all the girl power stuff. Until the jumping of the shark when a bunch of elderly obese women kill everyone. So the native men have no balls or don’t care about their own? They just rolled over and took it? Natives matter but only native women apparently.
That's good, now get back in the kitchen
Wow. Thank you for commenting.
Maybe she killed rusts dad?? But the no hospital records doesn't point to that. Rusts dad was a "survivalist" and they lived in the middle of nowhere. Didnt seem to have a lot of money. So its very likely he just never got treated. "Shes not on the ice" is referring to her NOT ending herself. Thats what shes saying. And we see her st the end for whatever reason, and they should just be her. It makes no sense. Its nonsense
Tha avalanche thing was completely wrong. Like completely confirmed wrong. It was just part of the cover up. Did you miss that part? It was beyond shady. The mine lady was there when they told her and everything. Plus they'd never be frozen like that in that position, plus they weren't on a hill, plus they went over it with prior. Like when thry did the "ask questions" and determined that made no sense.
"some answers dont have answers" is such a cop out. They didnt explain shit. This was a MASSIVE let down. The first season had such a good finale. They did NOTHING with the spiral, nothing with that weird worm, nothing with the Rust cole connections, just wtf.
Just go rewatch season one.. the fact that your talking about rust dad and you thought they were gonna give you season 1 stuff in final last episode.
This show went over your head. season 1 didn’t answer everything and coming to your on conclusion is immensely more satisfying than what Russ coming back and arresting they lady and the tuttles in 30 min get real
He's talking about Rust' dad (Travis) because they put Ghost-Travis in the show!
They put some season 1 stuff in & you expect people to not talk about it & rather turn around & watch season 1?! That makes no sense
@@AkiTerry This is the issue with the show and its writing. Too many people are holding onto season one. The writers of the current season know the fan base too well. So they add small connection to the first season for marketing purposes and to draw viewers in. But as you know these shows are anthologies so there is no link at all to the first season. There is no True Detective universe.
@@Youwereseriousabouthat I LITERALLY just watched it. They explain what's important in season 1. They do not do that here at all.
@@1975sabu lol the writers are the ones that made it a DIRECT sequel! Lol. A direct sequel. It's not a small link, it is the same universe. That's literally Rusts dad in the first episode. They connect rust seeing ghosts in episode one. They connect THE TUTTLES in this season, they literally name drop them.
The last season LITERALLY teases this too. With the documentatian looking for info on the spiral and the cult. They literally name drop Rust and Marty in season 3.
So?mm
This season was terrible. It was hard to understand. Thank goodness for your channel to explain to me what was actually happening.
Navarro walked out onto the ice WITH CLOTHING, peeps. If she was headed to The Spirit World, she would have done so buck-azz neked lol Honestly, it was such a hoot to come to know that The Ladies Club was responsible for what initially happened to the men, but that "Annie" did come back for them at the later half of that, forcing the men to bite themselves with delirium (giggles). The actress who portrayed "Rose" was astonishing -- why are The Brits (persons from England, Wales, Ireland/North Ireland and Scotland) so fucking good at Acting? True Detective 2025, bring it on... "we ready for y'all"!
you wrote a better series than the writers.
Is no one going to talk about how Navarro had a different colored hat when she was at the bon fire at first and walking out on the ice, then had a different green hat after pulling Liz from the ice?
i did see that! i think it was set designers mistake, the people who are responsable for making the diff scene be excastly as the last. Like a modern water bottle was visble in the scene og GOT, and nor edited out, because no one caught it in postproduction
I believe it represented her going from the logical/rational/living/yang realm to accepting her role in the ethereal/mysterious/dark/yin realm.
I think the best parts of this season involved Liz’s grief. There were some nice sentimental moments. Great acting by the leads and nice cinematography. That’s what kept me watching up to the last episode. The plot was awful. The scientist murders could have been solved based on the fingerprints already from episode 2 (most RUclipsrs caught this one). The scientist motivation to have the mine pollute more the water does not make any sense from a physics point of view (it was really hilarious😂). Assuming that these guys were truly looking for a microorganism, we are talking about some high level research. And Annie managed to understand everything just based on scribbles?! Having goddess Sedna lead Annie to the truth is actually a way more realistic explanation 😂😂😂 this is a very weak plot when it comes to the actual mystery. And it’s a pity for a show called true DETECTIVE.
Yeah man,I was looking for this comment; if you need samples so pure,rare,ancient and unusual that you have to drill into arctic ice caps to get at them, in what world are toxic contaminants going to help with that?
Especially if it's supposed to be fragile genetic material? What did the pollutants do to the ice that made extraction easier without harming the samples?
I could go on and on, it's so ridiculously unscientific, and poorly written from a whole multitude of story angles-they never really established what they are even looking for or what anyone could do with it in the first place beyond a school teacher shooting a load at the idea of some vague anti-senesence macguffinry.
What a giant let down.
This was an insultingly stupid resolution and the whole "multiple interpretations" handwaving isn't making this a smartly executed, mysterious experimental narrative, I swear dude the three comments I've seen defending this abortion seem to think they've just watched a David Lynch film and think we're stupid for wanting some things explained to us, when we noticed that this shit doesn't fit back together very well and that that isn't an explanation in and of itself when it doesn't serve the narrative.
No doubt answers could have been more clear with less open ends but I am gonna miss not seeing this series on Sunday nights. Jodie Foster is a great actor!!
True detective hasnt been the same since season 1
Thank you for your video. I thought it was a good season with a bad ending. I would’ve wished that they could’ve explained somethings a little bit more and not just leave it up to us. For me these type of shows are for more logic than supernatural.
The tool was a drill bit.
The drill bit was a weapon
I think the ladies put the tongue there. The lady that does the cremation could’ve saved it. She said it’s just a story, so maybe she lied about that part of the story 🤷🏾♀️. Why those women didn’t have that same energy for Liz’s boyfriend?
Now that they know no one cares he’s gonna be a goner. Why were all of them living in one house?
The women couldn't have cut out her tongue though. They attacked the scientists after her body was found with her tongue cut out.
@donkeysaurusrex7881 they weren't just came over when they saw police.
I’m pretty sure her tongue was missing when her body was found. They reference her tongue being cut out when they found her body.
Bee specifically tells the story of finding the underground lab, so if the tongue was kept there she could have found it. I tend to think she would have wanted to bury it with the rest of Annie K's body, but it is possible.
The Native women didn't even know who killed Annie. They just assumed it was everyone.
What if it was only 1 person who killed her.
I liked the ending. It explained enough and the rest was left to your imagination. It should have been 8 episodes to fill out some of the other storylines tho.
definitely too rushed in the last episode
I enjoyed the whole season, had a lot of fun trying to figure out what was going on. I’m ok not having all the answers wrapped in a bow at the end, that’s part of the fun, open to interpretation and intriguing discourse. Acting was also phenom! The setting was different and a character in itself. Really enjoyed the women centered plot as well as the indigenous people and historical fiction that’s such a big part of our country. Plus supernatural/spiritual/ origins of life/ science stuff… what more do you want?! Although I would have loved to explore the caves a bit more 🤓
I’m with u, I enjoyed it
Me too, I really enjoyed it! Loved it so much I had to see some videos talking about it!
I enjoyed your video. Season Four just wraps up the show for me, more questions than answers, but like whatever-it’s just a series and I’m not emotionally invested in any of the characters nor events; it was fun to watch.
Even the very beginning scene with the deer or caribou running off the cliff? What was that from?
At the end it said that the excessive pollution poisoned the animals and humans. Honestly I think the whole town went crazy in their own special way.
Ngl i've enjoyed listening to your analysis over the show itself!
The way I was stalking your page for this ..... thank you love your channel ❤❤
Thank you for finally clearing up the connection to season 1 for me.👍🏽
Everybody hollering bout Sedna fina be super disappointed 🤣🤣
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@@DrDonWario_MD I did maybe it’s your comprehension skills.
It's like they wrote a crime drama set in Alaska and filled it with unanswered supernatural phenomena like those we saw in LOST
I like your breakdowns and are usually right on the money. I am still undecided as to my feelings about Pt 4 of the series. I liked it but there were too many loose ends and unexplained things. 1- why even bother with the repeated call back to season 1 with absolutely no payoff or explanation. It's like they were trying to suck us in with the red herrings but no resolution. 2- what was the mine even mining and what was causing the pollution? 3- how did Otis survive so long? 4- Is Navarro dead or alive? I am tired of lazy showrunners copping out to "It's up to you to decide" Bullshit!! 5- I agree it was too short and at least 2 more episodes would have helped to flesh some of this out. I did like it and Jodi Foster was great as were the supporting cast but it could have been sooo much better. Season 1 is still my fave followed by S3 and this season.
Too many loose ends in my opinion to make it satisfying… the tongue one was CRIMINAL
That was a great video. Thanks.
I disagree with your final conclusion, but I think that is very subjective.
Some people like ambiguous endings. I am personally really tired of them with supernatural stories.
I wasn't set one way or the other that this had to end with realism or with ghosts, but I'm tired of stories that say hey, maybe it was this, maybe it was that, you decide.
More so, the show had too many things like ghosts in the background that the character didn't see so it was hard to say it was a subjective hallucination, it was the show having us the audience see a ghost in the background.
That kind of thing just pulls me out of the story when it's left unresolved.
Ghost aspects were fun at first. But it’s very lazy to me when a writer uses a ghost or spirit explanation for any unresolved plot points.
Not if it's a paranormal story. That would be like criticizing a crime story for having criminals be behind everything.
The problem with this show is it couldn't make up it's mind, or it tried to have it both ways.
Some people somehow like the ambiguity, but most of us find it murky and confused. @@sophiag612
This was such a thorough and brilliant breakdown. Love it!
Thanks for the awesome summary and analysis. In addition to the references you already pointed out from Season 1, there is also the use of the "time is a flat circle" line during the interrogation scene. I also wonder who wrote the "we are all dead" note on the research board in the lab. What strikes me is there also seem to be many similarities to AMC,s show The Terror. Specifically the arctic setting, the huge polar bear, cutting out of tongues, and the way she fall through the ice and seems to drift down with her arms in the air (as seen by the diver removing ice from the rudder in The Terror). Also when Navarro sees the guy shaking and light seems to come out of him like he was possessed and it has now left him, a similar effect is used when the monster bear in The Terror is killing and eating the sailors, almost like it is taking their souls. Maybe it is coincidence, but I found myself thinking of The Terror a lot while watching True Detective Night Country.