"Ruin is bad btw."
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2024
- Hex: Ruin used to be a staple of the Killer meta for years until it eventually got nerfed and replaced by stronger perks like Pain Res and Pop. However, after several changes to the way regression works, Ruin has slowly been gaining its spot back as one of the best slowdown perks in the game. In this match, we played against very solid opponents but we got lucky enough to keep Ruin up a long time!
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"Hello Friends this is Otz, at least according to my reflection in your window"
This sounds like a threat.
🫥🔫👺
*We've* started doing Otz bits now?!
VSauce Otz here energy
@obrinch1579 hi otz here. You're survivor is safe? Or is it?🤨
Hello, friends, this is unreal engine 5, at least according to all the glitches
Ruin is only bad when survivors spawn next to it, and I have to watch them cleanse it with lethal pursuer
It is bad even then. 100% regression is 4x slower than a single survivor. 180 seconds to regress a gen that is halfway done if my math is correct.
@@CaptToilet 1% regres=4sec. 100%=400sec 🤔
Truly the worst feeling
@@SoJ1uct Taken from the wiki
Tier I 50 % -0.125 c/s ~720 seconds (12 minutes)
Tier II 75 % -0.1875 c/s ~480 seconds (8 minutes)
Tier III 100 % -0.25 c/s ~360 seconds (6 minutes)
Even if my math is a bit off, you still can't deny that regression is pants.
@@CaptToilet For frame of reference, it would take a whole minute to shave off just 15 seconds of gen progress. This is assuming that survivors even stay off the gen for that long.
It's just, why would you risk taking this? A perk that will very likely get cleansed and removed from the game within the very first minute of the match, offering you absolutely nothing of value, when you could instead run other perks that are almost universally good in all situations, like Pop, or Dead Man's Pain res, or Grim Embrace? It also doesn't help that Ruin announces to the survivors that it's in play, which means survivors that are smart will start hunting for it, and get it out.
Ruin is something that heavily displaces pressure. You spend NO time kicking generators, leaving a lot of saved time. You don’t have to make the decision between a chase and a generator. You don’t have to go back and kick a generator after hooking a survivor. Killers like Nemesis, Pig, Knight, and even Huntress benefit heavily by forcing survivors away from generators, allowing ruin to regress them.
The best part about is that it no longer goes away when you kill someone and it stacks insanely well with Pain Res & Surveillance!
The worst part of running ruin is when you use gen kicking perks like nowhere to hide and Pop with it because you forgot ruin doesnt let you kick gens LMAO
just cleanse the totem lol
exact reason why i run surge
@@agardragon6979 Pentimento
Therapist: Catalan Otz isn't real, He can't hurt you
Catalan Otz:
I like getting to see Otz speak Spanish or Catalan. Even other than just the cool factor, it's good practice for me.
I laughed so hard and suddenly. I stopped immediately and asked myself if I'm a nerd... I might be
In spain millions of people speak a second regional language like catalán or other smaller languages, im gonna assume you are american due to your lack of knowledge and the bot comment
BISKA
very scary
Otz I want to say thank you for putting the info cards explaining the perks and what you’re taking about. I watch these videos with my Dad who’s new to DBD, so it helps a lot. All your resources are unexpendable ❤️
Hey thats really cool
That knight skin is SICK, I really want it. Especially the helmet
HOLY CATALAN JUMPSCARE
For real though, I almost had a heart attack when I clicked the video. Glad to hear some catalan from you otz! ^^
Tot i que els sabem català som aproximadament el 0.1% dels teus viewers, espero que et puguem tornar a sentir el teu català algun dia!
Gràcies amic, una abraçada enorme!
Catalão é muito parecido com português, entendi tudo que está escrito, haha
@@23LucasFer poisé
@@notOtzdarva i agree
Yes
14:30 - Not only did the person who gave the map offering DC, they also were a legacy-skinned player. So the salt is enormous for DC-ing.
What is a lecacy skinned player ?
Back in 2016 instead of bloody cosmetics you got glowing cosmetics when you prestige a character called legacy but they changed it after like 9 months of the game release. @@minatonamikaze6400
@@minatonamikaze6400 Basically they're players who had prestiged before Patch 1.30. Kinda like a veteran of sorts.
@@minatonamikaze6400 People with Legacy skin gifted to people who prestiged the original survs and killer before the first Bloodweb rework from 2018. So they are playing this game for over 6 years and are still salty
@@ObiadStudio Thanks for the info guys
Ruin is becoming one of my favorites again, what I love about it is that it doesn’t count towards your gen kick limit, which can be so nice in those nail biter games
it doesn’t? i thought it did that’s why i never touched it. I might just try it again.
@@DamnRizzz never noticed it once, and with the frequent regression I feel like I’d notice it if it happened.
@@DamnRizzz okay so I just did some fact checking, the gen kick counter only takes place when regression happens in an instant, such as the killer’s 5% kick, pain res, pop, etc etc. since ruin is a progressive regression it bypasses this rule! I believe oppression also works the same way by this logic, which is super cool I’ve been meaning to dust off that one
@@notgabriel8624 oppression is a great perk, the only thing dragging it down is the cooldown.
The "kick limit" is an "instance damage limit." It limits how many times you can use a perk or kick to remove gen progress. It limits the amount of times you can use Pop to reduce 30% of a gen, other perks that remove progress from a gen, and how many times you can use a kick or guard (for knight) to reduce a gen by 5%. Ruin doesn't apply because it doesn't straight up remove progress, but rather causes the gen to regress when not being worked by a survivor until cleansed.
I think when knight is actually working and not buggy it’s really fun gameplay to play as and to watch.
I was about to comment that this might be the first time I actually enjoyed watching a Knight match. Considering it didn't appear to be a super buggy match for once.
10:58 Coyote and Road Runner
LMAO
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So excited to see both a Ruin video AND a Knight video from you! Ruin + Surveillance is a perk combo that I've always had fun using, and even more so on Knight! He is such a good killer for managing things from a distance, so the mix of info and regression works perfectly for him!
Of course the legacy Meg DCs, Meg: “What are you telling me I…LOST!? I can’t lose!! *DC* hah I didn’t lose”
*lose
@@WutTheDeuceGaming lol thanks
Otz's Law strikes again
Seeing a video as its released is always a great experience - even better when ive been ill all morning ♥️
playing knight is like forcing yourself to eat a bad flavour of ramen cz you want something different in your life
Playing sm is like eating sh1t
When did knight hurt your feelings 😂😂
@@mcahtme2977 I love knight and everything about him but his gameplay sucks, so many bugs it’s insane
@@perf1de37me reading this comment after having just bought him 🗿
Coming home, food is prepared and Otz uploaded a new video. Perfect
This is actually very close to my go to build for Knight. Ruin, Surveilance, Gearhead, Coup, with the same addons. If survivors leave gens, Ruin/Surveilance gives info, if they stay, Gearhead gives info. I tend to look around for survivor auras while chasing so I know where the rest of the team is. Then send guards as often as possible like after a down to keep everyone busy like Otz was doing in the video. And Coup is there for the instances where the guards can't or don't help you. This build has made Knight pretty much my favorate killer to play, despite Knight being... in the state he currently is.
As a Knight Main, I hope he gets some love. I've waited over 500 days 💀
The day I see Knight in a patch notes, the day dbd might improve.
Surveillance on Knight is seriously nutty, my build is Surveilance, Lethal Pursuer, STBFL, Nowhere to Hide, idk why people don't talk about this more
But why gearhead? Isn't that kind of why you have surveilance in the first place? A chase perk might be more useful
@@Soapromancer From my experience, it actually complements the Ruin/Surveilance combo quite well. Gearhead activates when you hit a survivor and stays active for 30 seconds, which is pretty long. And as the counterplay to Knight is generally holding W, you can often find opportunities to do a quick 360 to scope any auras.
Gearhead complements Ruin/Surveilance as the latter does nothing if survivors stay on gens, which they should be doing while you're chasing other survivors. If there's a survivor who just does a gen from 0 to 100% in one go, you'd never know from Ruin/Surveilance, so Gearhead fills in those gaps. Gearhead is generally also always active when you're abke to act on the information it gives. It's often active right before a down, meaning you can check for auras once you down a survivor, after which it activates again, giving you info while you carry the survivor (an optimal time to look around), and then go to the best gen after you've hooked.
Lastly, Ruin can be cleansed, Gearhead cannot. A big reason Ruin/Surveilance why is such a good combo for Knight is that you never have to choose between having a guard kick a gen or chase a survivor. Once Ruin is cleansed, you need to put a lot more resources keeping gens regressing if you want to get your info from Surveilance. Gearhead just always works, which allows you to keep pressure on survivors instead of gens without sacrificing info.
Ruin's fantastic. IMO, I think it's in a decent spot now. It's not overly destructive like it was at 200%, it's not too weak like when it would vanish after a Survivor died (though I think there's an argument to be had that when a typical match is down to three Survs, it's tilted strongly in the Killer's favor (depending on the board state, of course))... it's not bad. I've been using it on Skull Merchant in an all hex build, and it's served well (thanks Pixel Bush), and last night me and friends got rinsed by a Plague on Swamp because we couldn't find it. We got down to one gen left before the game was over, and we spent a ton of time looking for it (and I think that's where we went wrong. We made a bad choice as a team).
It was never too strong, since it was a Hex.
"hola amics Jo soc otz, almenys per el que em diuen Les veus"
Thank you Otz, for taking 20 seconds out of our day to learn about Catalan. ❤
“Hello friends, this is Otz. At least that’s what the police report will say”.
Congrats on the 1 mil subs 🎉🎉🎉
I had to reel & hit 5 survivors today as deathslinger. I didn't check my perks. I'm awful at deathslinger, so my main goal was to reel, hit, and forget about hooks.
Match starts and I find two straight away. They took the absolute piss out of me. It was shameful, embarrassing, I wasn't having fun 😅
Gen after gen was getting done and there was one left to do. Then suddenly I downed the Kate. I'm not an awful killer I'm an awful deathslinger and I proceeded to beat the crap out of them. But hex:ruin bought me the time I needed to even up the score. 😊
They lost, I won. And I got my 5 reeled & hit 😊😊
Based editor for putting the wiki article on screen literally a moment before i tabbed out to look it up.
Escoltar a Otz parlant català es una cosa que mai m'hauria imaginat, que bona intro
Congrats on 1M subscribers Otz!!
Ruin is usually bad personally. For example, if someone starts by the totem or if they get 3 gens done in one chase or if they actually cleanse the totem. However, if they cleanse the totem then there's obviously no use with the perk anymore plus if it's a good team then ruin won't matter
If they get 3 Gens while you are still in your first chase you absolutly have other instead of ruin
@Luna.Tenebra I'm probs being stupid 😂 but what do you mean with this tweet? I'm probs just reading it wrong. XD
@@callumlong1521 nah I worded it weird. Im saying that if your first chase takes enough time that the survivors are able to do 3 Gens then ruin isnt the Problem, the Problem is that you should end your chases quicker
3 gens first chase is a you problem
@Luna.Tenebra ye I get that. But say you chase someone leave chase to pressure gens, chase someone else then 3 gens are done during the 2nd chase, then it's kinda not the killers fault cause they tried to apply pressure. This doesn't apply to the S tier killers for obvious reasons but B and lower it applies alot to
Oh, Ruin stays up even after a kill now?
Bless!
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Otz! A little knight tip: if you want always consistent gen snipes with guards, you just need to put a guard (doesn't really matter which one) a bit further (forward) from the gen so that if survivors try to escape it they'll just run it to them ( and even if they're going the opposite way than they're still on a guard's patrol path, so it doesn't matter). With this trick I always catch survivors of gens. Anyways, nice video, keep up the grind!)
Hearing Otz speaking Catalan feels like hearing that a friend also likes the same indie game you do
Though he's Spanish iirc so it's not that surprising, I think?
Ruin and surveillance were my power couple perks starting out, so much potential info for them
Great little editing at the begining
11:42 "Bluffing skills increased"
When killer has ruin its like my personal goal to get rid of it. Takes some time but its so satisfying.
it’s always the survivor with hope & adren that DCs once they realise there’s a strong chance they won’t get to use half their build
Few killers make use of Ruin as well as Knight does, IMO.
Also, I haven't heard anyone speaking Catalan in well over a decade. Gave me brain whiplash you did.
(I don't speak it, but a friend learned some in preparation after being chosen as an exchange student)
00:20 seenzes and mutes mic just in time dam we also got our ears blessed
Love seeing my favorite killer be played great game otz
ruin+surveillance+thrilling tremors is a really fun combo because each time you trigger thrilling tremors you get full information on every gen since when thrilling tremors ends all gens will start regressing, therefore theyre either white or yelllow immediately, or red if survivors worked on it through thrilling tremors
“Hola amics, aquest és l'Otz, almenys la imitació catalana d'ell”
I literally was like "Wait, that isn't Spanish" when he read that comment out loud and I'm so happy my high school spanish didn't fail me.
No way I paused at the beginning, sneezed twice, resumed and 'Otz' sneezed. We're totally linked.
"Hello friends, this is Otz, but thats what they all say"
1:58 Otz you jinxed it! Its a prophesy now in 8 months time
This video just helped me decide the next killer im going to get to p1
I gotta improve my totem spawns then. Otz's experience clearly shows.
knight might be my favorite killer concept atm, i hope that the devs can fix all of his bugs and make him one of the stronger killers in the game bc he is so engaging and cool
I love surveillance. My main build before the (second) Ruin nerf included Ruin/Surveillance, and on any chase killers after the nerf it was Jolt/Pain Res/Surveillance. It saves an incredible amount of time and drastically boosts your map pressure. Being able to completely focus on chases with no downside *and* know exactly where the survivors you need to pressure are while still having a top tier slow down effect at the cost of 2 perk slots (3 if you used Undying) was insane and unfair. The speed nerf was very necessary for curbing 99'ed gens going to zero because the killer checked on you. That can still happen, but your team can rotate to finish it and not lose quite as much time. I could even approve of an effect like Overcharge, where it starts a bit slower than normal and ramps up to standard speed after enough time. The bigger thing for me with Ruin was actually it disappearing on it's own after a kill. I understand why they did it, and I don't even disagree with it, but the late game was always the time I needed reliable information for very precise macro the most (especially with split gens), and getting someone out was my sigh of relief, and the only potential I had to get back into a losing game at 1 gen. There were scenarios where killing someone almost felt like it somehow made my position even more dire. Admittedly this wouldn't be as big of a problem if I didn't crutch on Surveillance so much that I forgot how to play the game without it, and I know Ruin was still quite good, but I stopped using it because it didn't fill my preferred niche as well.
Now that the self-cleanse effect is gone, it feels really nice again.
For a minute I thought they updated Macmillan where skull merchants hideout is only a variant of that map now.
Waiting for the Otz' Law compilation lmao
Dead man's switch + Hex: Ruin is literally amazing.
when the gen is blocked it stops regressing, literally anti synergy lol
@@syn4621 it is kinda double edge. often long gen-blocks makes survivor leave generators allowing ruin to regress after the unblock. this implies your applying pressure to the team and continuously hooking.
I wish ruin was still 200%.
Literally every game with knight 3:41. The minions missing a person in front of them if you don't have map of the realm. Or the minions walking around a pallet instead of going through it with the changed AI.
First off, he brings Map of the Realm. Secondly, he put that guard still bit too far. Otz should have placed it exactly at the gen rather than in front of it. Since there's a chance the trees or rocks can block the guards' detection
I hadn't logged into DbD in about a year and a half. I saw the Knight skin and had to immediately buy it though. Same with that one gray Plague skin. Nice. I got the impression their cosmetics have been getting better recently?
so, the mistery has been revealed, otzdarva is calatan
Now the dog has a webcam of his own.
Loving the Chupi cam!
To be honest you had best case scenario in this game. Other cases that perk could be gone in 30< seconds (or last decently long) and you played one of the best users for ruin as well. I will say that it can be strong and is good overall with all things being considered. (~ B or B+)
Edit: very nice video the dc was crazy ngl
Otz I don't know if you noticed, but they stealth changed devour hope. Now if survivor deli/kobi you still get stack. Good QOL tbh.
As a brutal strength enjoyer i love ruin. it allows me to focus on chase (the fun part) as i don't have to worry about every gen. ruin is not as strong as something like pop but it doesnt mean its bad and i think people dont realize it doesnt need to be
Someone in the chat already mentioned it, but the Meg might've actually dc'ed because of the Jake. He did go for the gen before trying to pick Meg up and there's a lot of survivors who interpret that as your teammate not caring about the game, so they just leave. But that's a whole problem of it's own
My hypothesis about the "map offering=DC" phenomenon is that whoever is bringing a map offering may be the type who needs predictability for good execution, because map offerings remove the most RNG; which means that they may also be the sort who are the most easily frustrated when things don't go according to plan.
Hey otz I mostly play survivor but have been playing more and more killer lately and was just wondering what your thoughts on this build are. I have been playing it on Chucky but a little on the xenomorph but was overall looking to see if it was a good build or not, also maybe another killer you'd recommend it on other then Chucky or xenomorph
1-lethal pursuer
2-furtive chase
3-friends 'til the end
4-Rancor/pop goes the weasel
Also will listen to any comments that anyone else has🙏 there's just so many perks nowadays and otz is a crazy good killer player so I figured this is where I should come for advice since he's not live at the moment 😅
Happy 1 million!♥️
I want Otz speaking spanish for 5 minutes
i see lots of killers run ruin, i also see it getting cleansed at 5 gens every game its in play
I believe they should make ruin cleanse available when survivors pop 1 or 2 gens then they can cleanse it, the devs could add like a plaything block effect on ruin for a set amount of time or set amount of gens
I still think the knight could've been way cooler if it was just a possessed suit of armor. I had it so thought out and everything even before he came out. There would've been sets of armor scattered around the map that he could teleport too (leaving his previous suit where it was when he teleported). The suits he could teleport too would all give different benefits/ abilities while using certain ones as well. One of them would've had the knight have a oni type dash ability with a spear that upon hitting a survivor immediately puts them into mend state. Another would've let him break pallets faster and or have quicker interactions in general. And lastly a set that allows him to instantly grapple a survivor after a long charge up period (it would be the equivalent of interrupting an action and could be flashy saved) even potentially thought about a unique way to advance hook stages on survivors by consuming them into one of the armor sets and sending them to a maze like area where they slowly lose hook time. The down side being that if you use it the survivor could find the exit to the maze and effectively "unhook" themselves. Idk I didn't really think about much balancing at the time but I feel like a possessed suit of armor would've fit much better then whatever the fuck we got.
I love watching otz play as Skull Merchant and Knight. Mainly bc the game still gives me tooltips for them to let me know to dc early and cancel the match.
I know he's never in my lobby with those killers lmao
What program do you use to run such a convincing hologram?
I now live in fear of Otz just randomly speaking Polish at the beginning of the video...
Some say that jailor travelled far behind the walls of the realm and even stalked nea after she left him in the mud eitg background player.
I do think it could be anywhere from 110% to 125% at the very least to make it a more consistent choice over other perks. Given how much regression some perks like Overcharge have had in recent memory I can't see why it couldn't be just slightly better than normal regression speed in some way considering that you can cleanse it with a totem. 100% with the risk of losing the perk in 10 seconds with an unlucky spawn just feels like a middle finger in the face outside of some niche cases.
"Hello friends this is otz, for legal reasons"
The ChupiCam is now officially required for all future streams
Also a couples of videos ago - "knight is bad btw"
Idk, its so funny to see ruin proof match with knight exactly xd
He is bad, it’s just ruin takes the sting out of it
Hello Otz, this is friend, and I have a question: What's the Unique Streak all about? I don't go on Twitch much so I wouldn't know from your streams, sorry 😅 Also omg that match was amazing. Pulling victory from the jaws as always!
"hello Otz, This is friends"
Incredible match. Incredible plays from both sides.
0:18 Bless you!
I was confused for a second, I'm learning (well re-learning) spanish and I could recognize certain words but not all of them.
took me 6 and a half minutes to notice the chuppi cam OMG
Love that you're playing the knight and showing us more of his gamplay!
It's cool to see that you know so many languages! Do you also speak Galician?
I think the perfect way to nerf survivors without breaking the game is to give them a separate object that is needed to leave the trail,
Yeah cause killers have high 60s and 70s kill rates , survivors need a nerf . Tell me you suck without telling me you suck
@@jilujoilujiut2165 you are definitely a child
The problem isn't with ruin, it's the fact that you can to lose it literally 30 seconds into the match, beacuse bhvr thinks "behind a single blade of grass right next to the surivors spawn location" = hidden
i like how all Otz videos ignoring SWF UNFAIR Advantage existance
small web format?...
No m'ho crec, també parla Català aquest home? Tremendo!
While I do agree Ruin can be strong, I feel like this was also somewhat the courtesy of Surveillance providing the necessary info of which gen is no longer regressing. Would it have been an impossible game without Surveillance? Not at all but Surveillance offered a peace of mind that there was no-one on the specific generators which would have otherwise needed to be checked on.
true, without surveillance they could just be working on them, maybe pausing for a second or two to avoid you then continue, and ruin wouldn't mean anything
This honestly might be the first time I’ve ever seen engaging knight gameplay (which I’m aware is partially a me problem)
Ruin is fine but extremely situational and more importantly unreliable because of how slow basekit regression is and it IS a hex after all.
It also has anti synergy with gen kicking perks until it's gone, so while pop can be used afterwards to replace ruin. It's usually better to just pick a chase/aura reading perk, especially ones that have synergy with the killer and/or their add-ons (like coup for Wesker)
I used ruin on nemi for a while with the same idea as knight with guards, but you cannot control zombies besides minor buffs from add-ons. So it was simply too inefficient and unreliable despite running undying with ruin. Pain res + grim embrace is simply more effective.
Overall, ruin is certainly good on knight, and maybe a buff to it would make it overpowered on knight, but for most killers it just doesn't work well on them. If there was some way to make ruin more effective on more killers, while also preventing it from being OP on knight (like reworking it from a hex to a perk that works only when 4 people are alive) then it would be much better.
I could tell straight away that was Catalan, muy diferente.
Today I learned Otz isn't from Spain, but Catalonia!
Otz bust it down for a real one
I always loved ruin and im happy it doesn't go away when someone dies. The fact that it auto kicks gen is insanely strong.
Otz would you understand Sardinian? Little island under Corse in Italy. Had Catalan roots
I can't get into DBD as it's too complex without much for explanation and any build id want as a new player takes FOREVER to grind for.
I really wish I could enjoy the game more, but as it stands, atleast Otz' videos are well put together and easy to understand, and 21% of the content in them isn't locked behind a paywall.
i feel you. it really feels like that for super long before you start unlocking some perks you finally wanted for so long. though, maybe you already knew since this was three weeks ago, but there was a 3x bloodpoints week, and there's gonna be a 2x bloodpoints one again around vecna's release. With that bonus alone i got literally a million points in just an afternoon. that's 2 full 0 to 50 killers/survivors for very little time investment. and the new system isn't nearly as grindy as before too, what i remember is my own and other's suffering from back in 2018 lol
“Hello friends! This is Otz. Full recipe is in the description.”