Undone is even WORSE than you think... | Dead by Daylight
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- Опубликовано: 16 мар 2024
- Undone is a new perk that accumulates power for each missed skillcheck, resulting in a bigger generator regression and temporary block afterwards. However, there are several problems...
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*Why is Undone a bad perk?* I think it comes down to 3 main reasons:
1 - The first and most obvious issue is that this perk does literally nothing if Survivors don't miss skillchecks before the endgame. Against most Killers that aren't Doctor, skillchecks are typically fairly easy to avoid for decent Survivors. Even if you do play against newer Survivors that miss skillchecks frequently, there's MANY perks that are way more punishing towards them than Undone.
2 - In terms of effect, Undone doesn't even come close to other regression and stalling perks that have far stronger effects (like Pop) or trigger more consistently (such as Deadlock). It doesn't matter how good the rest of your build is or how many times Survivors do miss skillchecks, it's almost guaranteed that you would be better off with a different 4th perk.
3 - The fact that Undone blocks the gen actually hurts its regression potential. For example, if you kick a gen with 9 stacks of Undone, you will inflict about ~8.1s worth of extra damage but also lose about ~2.25s because the blockage pauses the regression. This means that unless Survivors are trying to jump back into the gen immediately, the blockage serves basically no purpose other than to make the perk worse.
Otz, Do you think that BHVR should stall off on new releases in order to fix the already existing issues like maps,add-ons,perks,kits ?
Maybe to fix the blocking issue, maybe we could make the gen being blocked only when you tap it, just like No way out, and make each skillcheck giving 5 stacks, to make us getting to the cap quicker ? It wouldn't be as efficient as pop or deadlock, but it could be at least worth it... Thoughts about that ?
How would you buff/change the perk?
I think making it give some combination of a stack every missed skill check/every great/every 3 successful skill check. Also give it a passive effect of letting blocked generators regress to give it some synergy with other gen blocking perks and to make that part of the perk not detrimental while also give it a niche if nothing else.
The stacks need to build up for every loud noise notification instead of just missed skill checks
Point 1: The fact it hinges upon your victims sucking is enough to make Undone bad. Undone = Unreliable.
Point 2: The fact it needs to build up tokens before smacking a Gen makes it a weak Perk if not outright useless most of the game. Undone = Underpowered.
Point 3: The fact it gives Survivors time to draw you away from the blocked Gen long enough to let their buddies jump on it when it unblocks means you need a chase-worthy build that can down the bait and a way to punish distant Survivors. Undone = Unimpressive.
That said, Doctor can pressure Survivors into making mistakes and has the ability to make long-range moves. Unfortunately, Doctor is pretty much the only Killer that Undone is a passable option for.
When i saw that the max value you could get was EQUAL to a Pop goes the Weasel while needing a 10000x more work to get i knew this was a horrible perk
Its better than Pop tho, Pop does 30% of current progress. Undone does 30% of total progress.
Full power Pop happens at 99.9 of a gen, which is basically dropping it back to 70%. At 50%, Pop drops it back to 35% (excluding the initial flat 5% with a kick, making it 65% and 30% respectively)
Undone drops a 50% gen back to 20% (also excluding the 5% basekit, making the max effect basically 35%)
This is really powerful on paper, especially since survivors only need 10 missed skillchecks, which happens more often than you think (sometimes if you let go of a gen, it will give you the skillcheck sound and break instantly, instead of giving you 1 second room to let go. This mechanic was implemented back when people tapped gens to 100% to avoid old hex ruin skillchecks. Those ones are unavoidable).
This perk also has some nice potential with perks like Overcharge and Oppression, which both are generator skillchecks and a lot easier to miss.
The real problem is the fact that it blocks a gen for 1 second per stack. Which is only really nice in 3-gen scenarios, which were specifically changed to no longer be as harmful.
Its a good perk if you remove the genblocking, or if you use other perks to aid it's regression speed (Overcharge will be going at full power if you block the gen for 30 seconds). But its awful on its own.
@@Predated2 If we analyze 1 time uses sure it looks better
But to reach a substantial amount with undone you need ridiculous luck or really go out of your way to do so.While Pop gives you value by simply playing like you should(hooking survs and kicking gens).In the long run,Pop provides more value with more reliability and easier use than undone
Yeah, I thought it would at least be usable in the impossible skill check build, but like you said it’s a worse version of pop, there’s many perks that can do better in its place.
@@coldseraphim you're absolutely right, just not that it does equal value.
@@impachoblue1301 Yeah, i didn't use the best expression
This perk synergises greatly with the current meta of skillchecks only appearing the moment you decide to let go of a gen
Id really love to have a mechanic like, 5 seconds after a skillcheck you cant get a new one. so at least you can wait for one and then let go...
@@Merumyathats probably how it works already, and the problem arrives when you cannot wait to get a skill check because of time delicacy or literally having the killer down your neck.
@@ellisman5019 ive had it where I wait for one, and right after i get that skillcheck and hit it another pops up right when I leave the gen
@@Merumya Nah it should be the opposite. 5 seconds after fixing a gen you can still get a skill check 😂
I'll lever forget that Otz video where he explained the 16% chance to fail a skill check at any given time you let go.
The Perks were rather underwhelming, but I do enjoy the one that transfers your terror radius to the generator. It catches people offguard sometimes.
On the unknown itself it’s actually a really good perk ngl
It's definitely an interesting perk, would be horrible on Myers, given that he has a 16m tr and the perk makes the fake tr a 32m. But I am curious what builds on which killers could get the moat value
@@misery1500 From what I've seen so far killers with terrible mobility-ie Trapper, Huntress, Plague or ranged ones like Slinger- get the most value out of it: either they get to sneak up on unwary people and yank them off gens or gapclose to almost get hits in, or they can set up shots to snipe people without giving away the fact they're closer than they should be.
Almost every Trapper I've seen runs it, for example.
I run this with Tinkerer and the addon that makes survivors Oblivious. It isn't the most effective build out there, but it's still incredibly fun when you're feeling a bit mischievous
Honestly that perk is my new fave, I run it on Plague to get stealth hits (shorter cooldown than Trail of Torment + fixed duration but can't be taken away from you)
I have played 15 games as Doctor with Undone, Huntress Lullaby, Undying and Merciless, and I can count on one hand how many times I’ve gotten more than 20 tokens, and only once did I get 30, and neither of those times did the perk feel substantial. (1300 hours, not a doctor player)
Meanwhile if you had Pop that'd be an average of at least 4-5 times you get to use it per game, regardless of their skillcheck success. I know we shouldn't compare every perk to the absolute best perks out there, but it's still kinda crazy how mediocre it is.
@@notOtzdarva I think, the worst part about it is: When your Lullaby gets cleansed, Undone becomes useless alongside with it. Pop would still be there, at least.
Lullaby isn't actually that good for making them miss skill checks because you need like +3 stacks before it becomes meaningful and it's a totem. Oppression is better.
@@notOtzdarva Why shouldn't you compare perks to the best ones? Making a weaker version of an already existing perk is a failure of game design.
my question is how do you find killer fun
I still love how the perk art makes the Unknown look like a proud toddler showing his parents a toy he broke.
😂
Haha...
Haha I love that, now I can't unsee it.
I think we might be getting to a point where it’s getting increasingly more difficult to create new good perks without either just making them better than old ones (power creeping them out of the meta) or creating a new category (such as hex, boon, scourge hook)
It strikes me as a similar conundrum to what designers for card games go through
The worst part is that this is a "Win More" perk in the worst sense of the phrase
Where it only gets strong in scenarios where you don't need it. If your Survivors are missing that many skill checks, you probably don't need any regression to begin with. They're already doing all the regression themselves.
I guess you could say the perk has come Undone
go back into the tv, sadako
Do you want to destroy my sweater?
@@yuzee6693into the well
I'm going to put a tv in front your well so its a infinite loop
Sounds painful- At some point, sadako's gonna end up lying on the floor, lying on the floor.
For the editor of this video. I have respect for what your doing, it’s really not as easy as some people make out but those constant zoom in edits gave me whiplash.
Its definitely easy to NOT zoom in every few seconds. Thats actually less work than this.
yeah i was coming to the comments to see if someone else was gonna mention this - its a really jarring editing choice. not a fan, personally.
Second that. This back and forth zoom and unnecessary sound effects made it nearly impossible to watch.
Agreed, not a huge fan. It's a fine editing style, but I don't think it fits otz videos personally.
it definitely felt a little unnecessary. I totally get how frustrating it would feel to get that feedback after trying something new though.
This perk seems like the kind to get buffed later on and become the most meta shit ever for some time
I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing
until the skill check aspect is removed I don't think this will ever be meta. it's so rng dependent that i don't think people are going to run it that often
we've heard that one before.@@totallynotgay553
Otz, did your editor got swapped? Video feels wierdly different in terms of editing desicions
No we just tried a new style, we're paying attention to all feedback, so thank you for that!
@@notOtzdarva I think the new style is great, the it was really fun to watch! Great video as usual ❤
@@notOtzdarva Appreciated Otz, thanks for the feedback as well, have a nice day
I was gonna point out the same, personally i dont like it, it takes you away from the game and makes the reactions less engaging when he is ibterrupting the game.
@@Parainsomne I also do think the same way. Otz ain't like Ochi'Do or Demi where something goofy or out of place will fit into the content
I don't really like how often in this video things get zoomed in on.
Definitely not a fan of this editing style
@@JT-zl8ls Same
Same here, it was quite annoying
Feels like a mr beast video or something
I miss shrimping for otz
This feels like a pirated movie on youtube with all the zoom ins.
Undone players working their arses off for 30% regression by forcing 10 missed skillchecks Vs. Pop players getting the same effect for one hook.
And if you miss a skillcheck it's 10% regression already. So a fully stacked Undone is already a full generator of progress the survivors have lost, that extra 30% is... really not good.
The perks only really effective when players turn their heads from the screen for 0.5 seconds and the skill check pops up.
Or when leaving the gen at a random moment
Or when you wanna take a sip of your drink and the skill check comes up at the same time
How do the devs not know? I have 600 hours on DBD and I knew as soon as I read the description that it's a completely useless perk lmao.
Cuz they dont play the game, there is a perk that lets you put a boon totem that allows survivor to see chests in a short radius, like, how tf is that gonna be helpful in a game lmao?
its gens and chests. it also shows aura's across the whole map, not a short radius. maybe you should actually try the perk first before calling it trash. @@bubba2922
incompetence
@@bubba2922 if u talk about boon illumination then it makes a bit more, but point still valid, trash perk.
Illumination isn't an incredibly good perk, but seeing gens across the whole map can save a lot of time, especially in solo queue
"Sometimes people send themselves to this map because there is a difficult achievement." I FINALLY got that achievement last week, just in time to get 100% before Unknown released. I was so happy. That achievement sucks so much.
Great educational video. But the camera shifting is a bit disorientating.
It's so random sometimes its distracting lol
We'll avoid this in the future, thanks for the feedback friendos.
We are approaching an event horizon where there are so many perks covering the same niches and isn’t a reason to use the outdated or suboptimal ones anymore. A good example of this is whispers and ultimate predator. UP will pretty much ALWAYS outclass whispers that we will wonder why whispers still exists. I wish there were more wacky builds/perks and synergies with killer powers but we always end up seeing the same 10 perks from both sides over and over it feels like. But perks like undone are both suboptimal, and not really that fun.
Ultimate weapon isn't a free perk, so newer players probably won't have it
I noticed the change in editing style and while it is a bit more "in" and more towards the funny parts, i think it needs to be scaled down a slight bit. Some moments felt refreshing but after the third or fourth it felt worn out and more annoying.
Otherwise, great video and lets hope next chapter is better :D
Behavior recently came out and said that when they design perks they tend to follow these guidelines: one that’s good for beginners, one that’s good for advanced players, and one silly one for meme builds. I think this was the beginner one. If I just bought this killer after just downloading the game, then yeah. I’d be good. Past the first few weeks of playing though? Not really.
Undone is just proof that op perks are another reason to nerf the pig.
Yo guys it's been like 5 years and the Pig has only been buffed since. Maybe it's time to get new jokes.
@@notOtzdarva dbd community seems to be full of immortal elves who don't percieve time as we do
@@notOtzdarva True. We should make more Twins being bugged. That's not changed at least.
Buff, the pig? @@notOtzdarva
@@notOtzdarva this is so sad, maybe we can nerf Myers
It works as well when they miss skill checks for healing up. Another gimmic build I like to run that rivals Doctors impossible skill check build is Wesker. Distressing, Hex: Lullaby, Unnerving Presence and Clown Phobia (w/e it's called) with the Green add-on that inflicts mangled. It's a lot of missed skill checks. Could maybe switch out Distressing for Undone. Haven't tested it yet, but could have potential to be good.
Me personally, I've created a blight build that on average get's way more skill checks missed then doctor. It combines a constant onslaught of silent skillchecks, and it works very well!
Something that might be neat to see is making it scale with *Good* Skillchecks instead of missed ones. It's right in the name, "Undone," you are undoing all the progress someone made on a generator. It'd also provide an earlygame combo with perks like Gearhead, allowing you to track which survivors are succeeding their skillchecks - and thus, which generators need a solid thwack - providing a different way of approaching pressure, rather than trying to work its way into the existing niche of "Missed Skillcheck Doctor Build."
I have an idea on how to fix this perk without feeling overpowered:
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Whenever in chase with a survivor, Undone gains a token for every 10/9/8 seconds in chase, up to a maximum of 20 Tokens.
Performing the Damage Generator Action on a generator consumes all accumulated Tokens and applies the following effects:
Instantly regresses the damaged Generator by -1 % per Token of its total Progression.
Blocks the damaged Generator for 1 second per Token.
Causes the damaged Generator to start regressing once it becomes unblocked.
Undone has a cool-down of 60 seconds.
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Personally, I believe this would make it more viable as the longer it takes to down a survivor, the more value you will get out of it. If you run good add-ons or have a high-tier killer to down survivors fast, this perk won't feel oppressive as you are already putting a lot of pressure upon the survivors. In other words, this perk will help lower-skilled or M1 killers more than killers like Wesker or Nurse
I’ve actually used undone with some success, here are my perk combos.
1. Undying, lullaby, overcharge.
2. Distressing, unnerving, coulrophobia.
3. Overcharged, oppression, surge/ultimate weapon
So other things to add are killer add-ons. Recommend using add-on that inflicts sloppy B effects, oblivious, or terror radius transfer. Skull merchant actually has a few of these plus a lullaby claw trap.
So, on paper, really nice, as it does 1% of total progress, not current progress.
Some notes to make:
1. Overcharge would be at full power the moment the generator is unblocked, assuming you have 30 stacks of Undone.
2. Oppression works amazingly in tandem with this perk. As you kick a gen, and basically gain another stack that you wont lose for another 60 seconds.
And since healing skillchecks also count:
Coulrophobia is amazing.
I love people who think critically 👍 great observations 👌
A perk can sound great on paper, but that's in theory, in practice, the perk isn't so good even with those other two
@@misery1500nah I got 30 stacks twice with unknown in the PBE because of lullaby and coulrophobia and I WASNT doctor lol. Just kept disrupting their heals with a nurse's calling
@@dirky1185 Like another one said, thinking critically Is the key. Otzdarva just regurgitates something and his sheeps say yes. Personally i love all Unknown perks, my favorite is Unbound, i will use it on some fun builds on Amanda, Trapper, Sadako, Wesker and Legion. About Undone then... It's not the best perk but it's not the worst, to use it correctly you need Distressing,Unnerving Presence and Oppression in par to make It really shine. I have a build on Doctor with It: Distressing, Unnerving Presence,Pop goes the weasel and Undone with the Add-ons to recharge faster the static blast.
@@mattiacicchetti3778 if requires your whole build to revolve around it but you can make it work yeah lol
Het Otz, was watching your darkest dungeon playthrough and was thinking about how amazing your content has gotten. Loved watching your dd stuff and you've just gotten better, much love :)
Cool video! Definitely seems like the perk is lacking some zest. If I may, little bit weird editing with all the half-zooming in going on. I like the actual contextual edits like zooming on your reaction or at the perks, just not so much the random semi-zoom. Love as always
Me running undone on killer & autodidact/fast track on survivor (I enjoy “token” perks a lot more than I probably should)
I think a good rework would be for the stacks to be permanent but obviously have the regression penalty be signficantly smaller, like an additional .3% per 3 stacks. That way by 30 stacks you get a permanent 3% regression bonus to kicking gens. This would be decently strong but not overpowered, keeping in mind that getting to 30 stacks in the first place is difficult as it is, plus you only get 8 kicks per gen now, so I don't think it would be busted.
Really loved the editing style of the beginning of this video. I like the experimenting!
You must be 14 if you like this editing style. It’s fucking awful and it’s infecting almost every gaming you tuber nowadays.
That was a horrifying face to start the video with, I’m glad he used the Unknown’s face to disarm you after that. Very effective jumpscare.
Im sorry but I cant go over it, why does the video randomly zoom into places? its a bit disorienting
Idk who this editor or what this editing style is but man that's exhausting to watch all the cuts and zooms
Maybe allow the perk to regress blocked gens, so it synergises with other block perks. Like ruin for blocked gens but it’s not a hex obviously
Hey Otz, I know you said you were dissapointed by the killer perks, but I am having a lot of fun with unforseen. I know people will say "just use trail of torment" but the terror radius transfer on the gen absoloutley confuses survivors, and it is fun to see. It also potentially makes them scared to work on the applied gen, even if it's for a few seconds. It works well on unknown too, as you can tp across the map and have no terror radius. Hope you have been giving it a try!
Hey Otz did you get a new editor for this video?
Yeah, the perk is bad
A perk where the killer who uses it can chose 3 spots on the screen to have skill checks appear would be pretty cool. Maybe you select a 3 skill check pattern that repeats would work. And it’d be fun because you can decide where the appear
It gets stacks on missed healing skillchecks too right? I'm a little curious about it as a regression perk on an anti-healing build with caulrophobia.
Unforeseen is probably his best perk
Yeah, the simplicity and simple trigger requirements are always a good thing.
@@notOtzdarva Also, as opposed to Trail of Torment (which is still probably overall better because it forces action) Unforeseen has ZERO tells except if you have Alert so guaranteed value every time. Or is there something I’m missing ?
Yesterday a friend and I went against an Unknown using this, and I called it when someone else was in chase, but the tr was on shack, which is where they weren't.
Editing does not feel like Otz' style.
I tested it on baby survivors with the best skill check build as an experienced killer. This perk does not contribute, instead it will discourage me to kick generators where I should have. The total stack I have on baby survivors throughout a whole game (where i left them alone and they constantly miss skill check) is around 50~60.
Nea on RPD played impressively well, felt nice to watch your chases with her!
About editing, I think its cool when editor tries something new. It does feel weird, distracts off of the match a bit, but still interesting to see something new.
What's up with the constant zooming in?
gen alpha brainrot ADHD potion style editing = more viewer retention = more ad revenue. If you want to survive as a youtuber it must be done
Just trying it for this video
I gotta say I absolutely hate the weird zoom in on the face and silly echo effect that all editors are doing to youtube.
I did similar test with doctor when this perk came out and I found ONE reason this perk would be better than ANYTHING else.
And that is the fact that it blocks it for a short time. I found some situations where otherwise a survivor would tap the gen (now 5 sec) and would stop the regression, with this perk the survivors would leave because of the time they have to wait for it to unblock. And even then it only happened once or twice….
We appreciate your dedication to showing off all the new and cool things this game has to offer
I don't think anyone has mentioned this. But I'm loving the new editing style in this video.
While I appreciate trying new editing, I wasn't a fan of it in this video. The constant zoom ins and cuts to Otz only cam while doing things with the audio or distorting his face felt really out of place and gave me whiplash with how much was going on. I much prefer the calmer less chaotic and distracting editing. No hate to the editor just some feedback
Oh!? Different editing, very interesting!
And ofcourse good job on the vid, very insightful
Otz what do you think if they changed it to every time the successfully did a good skill check you got a point? And then upped it to 1.5 more damage or 2 more damage per stack??
What a nice new way to edit a video, its engaging
Great vid as always, not a fan of the new editing style tho
editing this video is really awkward, way too many random zoom ins
We'll try to nail it next time, no worries and thanks for the feedback!
No problem I appreciate the response 😊
Kinda unrelated, but can I just say that it is so damn cool seing the mascot of your favorite band on the thumbnail of an Otz DBD vid?
I think this perk would benefit more as a perk that with each token will increase the amount of regression for missed skill checks by X percent, maybe only resetting once a survivor is killed or something akin to Ruin. That way you can more value out of the missed skill checks as a passive form of regression to be used alongside standard regressing perks like Pop.
The constant zooms in this video are pretty disorienting and jarring.
YOU’RE DISORIENTING AND JARRING
Holy Zoom in Batman! Did editor discover the zoom in tool and now it HAS to be in every 10 seconds ? :D
The new editing style is pretty nice. Feels different and fresh.
I saw a comment with an idea for a buff for undone to have it gain 3 stacks for hitting a survivor and 5 if they miss a skillcheck, i think that could make it more usable on other killers
I brought an RPD map offering on accident when I swapped characters. My friend said it was alright she still needs to get the achievement. That's why I had it on in the first place so it worked out. It's the only offering I use to take me somewhere. Such an annoying achievement to get.
Do bots fail skillchecks?
Yes. A lot.
Otz did you change your editor. The editing on this video was awful. A zoom every 5 secs, or zoom in to your face. It breaks the immersion for me.
I haven't played that many games with Doctor and Undone but I went with Undone, Distressing, Unnerving Presence and Coulrophobia. Huntress Lullaby gives harder penalties for missing skill checks but it doesn't make them THAT harder to hit once you know the hex is in play. However, making them harder to hit is what you need to squeeze the tokens out of Undone.
Coulrophobia and Unnerving only apply in your terror radius, so you need to expand it as much as possible. Therefore you get Distressing + purple and yellow "Calm" addons give you a huge TR. Unnerving presence makes skill checks appear more often and the hit zones are smaller. Caulrophobia makes the skill check move faster while healing. I usually get more stacks from failed healing checks than repair checks. Waiting for maximum stacks is just wasting time. 9 or 12 stacks to kick a gen is enough, anything above is a nice bonus.
There is also the gen blocking. Players sometimes manage to hide around the gen and once the killer leaves, they start repairing immediately again. If it gets blocked (and they don't know for how long) they often leave, which enables the gen to regress more before someone comes back to it. Although, reading Otz's last point, this can be very situational.
However, it is true that people can get way more regression and more consistently from Pop goes the weasel. Maybe they could buff the effect to give 2% regression and 2 seconds blocking time per stack. That way it could potentially outperform Pop but with the added downside of needing way more perks to make it strong. Plus, it would still be probably only worth it on the Doctor, so it would still remain far away from a "good perk".
Did you get a new editor? I like the experimentation with editing gags. I think the frequency in this video is tasteful
can I just say that these new cuts and zooms are really bad? The video was nauseating, you should keep those in check next time
Nah you’re weak the zooms are cool shut up
This comment is nauseating
Calm down lmao
This video is very badly edited the random zoom ins every 5 seconds is super distracting
Otz you should try out the double terror radius build with dark devotion and unforeseen with either a anti healing build or gen regression like this doctor one
While learning doctor use
Zanshin tactics until you get good at window and pallet knowledge it's really helpful seeing the loops through walls for doctor so learning them like Otz has is key to making doctor great at chase ⚡
I don't know if you got a new editor or if they're just trying something new, but this editing style was really difficult for me. I don't want to be rude to the editor or anything, but I was legitimately having a difficult time watching. I'm not trying to be dramatic but I honestly don't think I could watch your videos anymore if this was the new norm, it was really disorienting to watch.
please stop this zooming into the facecam or other parts of the screen thing. its almost never warranted and incredibly jarring. use it sparringly
Hey otz, have you checked. Out the lightborn buff and the shadowborn rework? They are kinda usefull against flashlights
Wesker can make good use of it with Coulrophobia, Distressing and Unnerving Presence, especially on a smaller map. Spread out the injuries
I love the new editing style
I think the funniest application for this perk is to run Unforeseen and Unnerving so one gen becomes nearly impossible to work on safely for a good 30 seconds, and you get Undone value out of it. I think an easy way to make Undone at least USABLE is to just remove the cooldown, since regressing and blocking a gen so little and having basically no input on when you get tokens isn't good enough to be locked behind a cooldown.
Also there's currently a bug where every stack of Undone counts as ONE regression on a generator for the anti-regression block, so even two missed skillchecks block off a gen from being regressed further right now
That green and pink plaid pattern pog shirt is one of my favorite otz drips
Doctors regular skill checks go backwards and upside down I miss those so many times. I think Doctor could run undone passively and still get more missed skill checks than most killers. Merciless storm is good maybe keep that. But the other 2 perks could've been pain res and you could increase the impact of undone with pop because the effects should stack.
Does the perk apply two regression events? You get 2 damage generator events, so does it use 2 events aswell?
I think the singular use case for this is combining it with Pop to get post-hook gen ahnialations. Specifically with the doctor.
This one is a little overedited. Otz you do such a good job being entertaining on your own that you don't really need all this extra fluff.
Nice build. I basically use the same one (without undone) on my doctor. It seriously fun on doc, tho I experiment a bit with the 4th perk,
HONESTLY, the best use for Undone is the time it locks the gen from stopping its regression. like 24 seconds of unstoppable regression is actually solid, pair it with Sadako's perk that makes regression go at 125% faster and it does add up more than the regular regression from undone. You could also pair undone with Pop to build up the damage more
We got trail of torment and pop goes the weasel at home for this chapter lmao
Blight with the Soul Chemical add-on works well, too. Try it sometime.
I've been using the same Doctor build over the past few days, even the same add-ons! I even originally used Merciless Storm, but good survs can weather MS. I switched itout for Oppression so almost every kick will get you Undone stacks (just be sure to sue it when it's off cooldown). I've been dominating as someone with 2.3k hours, but IDK if I go against the survs Otz does.
Hey Otz, I love your content and streams! Ages ago you made a build around Thrill of the Hunt and Devour Hope, and I think you ought to revisit a variation of it with new perks that came out! Ultimate Weapon, Hex: Undying, Hex: Thrill of The Hunt, Hex: Ruin. I have yet to get to a match where people have broken my ruin totem and it's pretty oppressive to deal against as The Doctor!
12:53 Tbh i love this chapter's perks a ton. Interesting new stuff on the survivor side, and for killers Unbound has been AMAZING on Wesker for me (and I assume will be good on Legion once they fix the whole "Legion gets stuck in a wall when using Unbound and their power) and honestly Unforeseen has allowed me to do some funny stuff too. Even if Undone and Unforeseen are just alternatives to Pop Goes the Weasel and Trail of Torment, I appreciate them doing something different with shifting terror radius and a regression perk thats natural counter is playing well and not missing skillchecks.
And man the survivor side is great, a self healing perk that works fast and gives good info, an unhook perk that can stop a basement snowball and gives good info on unhook, and a new type of perk opening up a whole suite of opportunities.
Like, this is the best chapter BHVR has put out in a LOOOOOONG time. It's a shame a bunch of bigots in the community have shown themselves after the implication of Sable and Mikaela being more than friends and Susie and Julie being canonical "roommates" and oh my lord the insane bigotry towards the voice actress of the Unknown and the bigotry people have been using a fun cheerleader skin for.
I think something interesting with this perk would be to double the amount of regresion per stack, double past 20, something like that.
Or make it so the perk's regresion is on top of the base regression, doesnt lose stacks, but goes on CD. And balance it through the CD and curb since this perk would still be +15% regresion if you are lucky.
i wouldnt be against them reworking the perk into being something that rebuilds your hex totem, build up a bunch of tokens and get an automatic destroyed totem undone would give the perk a unique game interaction while still being balanced around skill
I had an idea for a small rework for Undone, which could be a bit overtuned or not, but here it is anyways.
Whenever dealing a damage state to a survivor gain 1 token to a maximum of 6/8/10 tokens. Performing the Damage Generator action consumes all accumulated tokens and applies these effects:
Instantly regresses the damaged Generator by 3% for each token (Max of 30%)
Blocks the damaged generator for 3 seconds per token.
It’s the same as current except less tokens, and you gain them by actively doing something you have to do anyways. Making the gameplay feel more rewarding. This can encourage a hit and run play style but with the change of generators only being able to take 8 damages before you can’t damage it anymore I think the hit and run wouldn’t be effective after you damage the gens so much and then can’t anymore.
I like the new smoother higher framerate game footage from Otz and his new beast of a PC.
But now I can no longer say I have a better computer than Otz lol
I wonder if making it great skill checks instead of missed skill checks would actually be a good idea, and crank up the values so it gives a lot more for every great skill check. Might even synergize with Unnerving Presence because that perk honestly makes great skill checks easier.
i like the kind of new editing style. cool video DBD sir
About the editing, I liked that the video didn't have music in the background, but the zoom ins and outs were really bothering.
One way to change the perk is have it give 5 tokens per missed skill check instead, and still keep the max at 30. Make it slightly better for people who miss only a few skill checks.
I kind of wish it was a different trigger, maybe like how fast track gains stacks when the killer progresses their goal (getting hooks). What if it was based on good skill checks? It would trigger more often then at least. And if that is too oppressive then make it so there is a cooldown before you can gain more stacks like how play with your food is. I feel in this scenario undone can still be good against new survivors while not being too powerful like pop, just giving it some more consistency.
unknown is the strongest killer ever and i dont know why hes considered b tier. He's a ranged teleport killer that requires disarms that could kill the survivor cause he teleports. If you learn him well then hes uncounterable as his richoquet M2 is unavoidable in most situations