For me, it is a question of perspective. Legendary pre-update records didn't vanish, we get new challenges, and it doesn't discredit previous records. What made MK8DX's history remains, and it will continue to be written. I welcome the new meta as a wonderful fresh start, full of potentialities.
completely agree. we quite literally have an exact date where wave 4 was dropped so all those legacy time trials still remain just as impressive as they once were in my eyes
Not afraid to say it: Pii is the best content creator this community has right now. The level of quality, the knowledge, the storytelling, it's all so perfect. I really hope the community doesn't take these videos for granted.
i love this kind of thoughtful, in depth content you make for mk8dx. it's so refreshing when most other mk8dx content is either tournament clips or how-to's
Speaking as someone who really only races online and almost never plays TTs, I welcome buffs and a shakeup of the meta. The fact that the meta has shifted to middle weight characters and karts means that there's not as much sameyness in online racing builds and that's awesome. I think a good solution by Nintendo would be to allow players to toggle "legacy stats" at least for time trials or single player modes. That would make for two different leaderboards but it would be a good olive branch to the TT community that's probably responsible for a good half of all man hours ever spent playing this game, lol. Part of me is excited to see where the world records go with buffed vehicles capable of even faster records. But seeing inside drift records and long standing records go down in flames is sad, no doubt.
You can't have it both way. The stat buffs cannot both change the entire game, and as you say later in the video "do nothing." Games update, either track leaderboards pre-patch like many other games do, or adapt. A game should not go stagnant because it makes people have to try again for records.
Thank you for saying this. I like this guy’s video but this felt like such a boohoo whiny moment for nothing. Like just learn the new meta and get better, it’s much more fun to keep things fresh with updates rather than have the same unchanging meta forever. People that had records don’t want to play their favorite tracks anymore because they balanced out the game? Tough luck buddy just suck it up and keep practicing
Obviously for top players it will take time to get used to the new meta, even if lower level players easily took their longstanding WRs, as soon as the top players adjust, they'll outclass the lower level player's WR by sheer class and experience and skill with the new meta. I sympathise with them for the man hours put into the TT grind, but a change one way or another was needed, Waluigi, Wiggler combo made the game very samey, at least there is more than 1 competitive combo to play if you want to stay meta.
this maybe effects .00001% of the players (those that hold WRs and are upset). it made the game way more interesting and refreshing, IMO even for most of that very top % of players too. if someone is upset about "having" to grind again, maybe take a step back and realize you don't actually "have to". its a video game and if it's not something thats fun/you dont look forward to, its not an obligation. the same people still have all the WRs anyway. it just gave them something else to strive for in a game I assume they highly enjoy playing since they are putting so much time into it in the first place. 😯 I'm not going to lie though, it does suck for that guy who was a week away from hitting 1000 days. Nintendo could have at least waited a week or two. 😅
This is one of the first videos that I watch one night but have to go to sleep so i end it early, but it was so good that I watched it first in the morning. (In short you make high quality content) 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I’d be very surprised if they were to nerf anything. They pretty clearly tried to avoid nerfing Waluigi Wiggler, I think they will continue with buffs if they do any more changes
11:05 One of the players on that DK Jungle leaderboard had just prior to the update gotten worldwide tops (.868) using Waluigi Wiggler, which took a lot of effort. Within hours they were pushed out of tops, and within a day they were able to take 2nd Worldwide themself. The top 10 on that track was incredibly refined, but the new combos are just too fast now.
(Kind tone) I think you need to remember how hyperfocused you are on this specific aspect of the game. It's devastating because it's change, not because it's bad, or even unwelcome. And it's be silly to have different stats for vehicles in races and time trials. After all, TTs are used by many people to practice tracks without CPUs. Outside of intense time triallers, I haven't seen anyone truly upset about the meta changes. It'll be okay
i feel like this MK8 meta is taking away the real fun when competing with global players. Everybody wants to use the best combination because its pretty obvious no one likes losing online. The VR point system online that was originally placed on the Wii shouldn't have been there to begin with, it contributes to the chaotic Meta all together, I mostly prefer a rank system that doesn't require VR points but letting your Overall PlayTime on MK8 determine your rank online. That's something about Nintendo I don't understand. All changes to MK started from MKDS with the infamous broken snake bug online. Instead of fixing the bug, they revamped the entire control surface inputs altogether. They did it to make the game easier but they still implemented competitive/Meta measures that defeated the pupose of the adjustments overall.😡🤦♂
I see both sides, for example, I think that the new karts are far too buffed and feel terrible for people who loaded their records. On the other hand, I’m so glad I don’t see that god awful Waluigi Wiggler anymore, so I’m torn on this change
Really poignant video. I wish more people would make an effort to understand how huge of an effect wave 4 had on the speedrunning scene. I was moving steadily away from the game in 2021, but the announcement of the booster course pass made me excited about the game again. It's ironic that part of this DLC is what finally pushed me to quit the game almost completely... If I seriously grind anything again, whether that be time trials or RTA speedruns, it'll be well after wave 6 comes out. It doesn't feel like there's any reason to achieve anything if it will become irrelevant in a few months. The least I can hope is that the game settles in a spot that's actually more balanced than it began, rather than making time trial combos less diverse than online combos ever were.
And obviously I'm not a top time trialer, but I don't think that matters. These changes affect personal goals as well as tt wr competition, not to mention other aspects of the game like NITA timesheets centered around certain combos (Adam/Jet spent SO much time and effort documenting waluwig times) and RTA speedruns. The community will adapt, and new metas and baselines will settle, but it still just seems so pointless to me.
Dude, I don't do time trials, I just play, and only now did I realize how much this affected previously passionate time trialers who grinded to put out their best work. It's crazy.
@@pianist1562 remember how I said, just before wave 4 released, that I thought Nintendo might add a new character class that could have better stats than Walu/DK/Roy? I realized I technically got that right with all the stat changes to existing classes. I know you’re not really playing but My only hope now, is that they don’t change more sats in the coming waves
The stat buffs are available regardless of owning DLC! The only thing you wouldn't have access to is Birdo specifically, but Yoshi/Peach/Daisy are all available. Well, that and the DLC tracks.
For me, it is a question of perspective. Legendary pre-update records didn't vanish, we get new challenges, and it doesn't discredit previous records. What made MK8DX's history remains, and it will continue to be written. I welcome the new meta as a wonderful fresh start, full of potentialities.
completely agree. we quite literally have an exact date where wave 4 was dropped so all those legacy time trials still remain just as impressive as they once were in my eyes
content of beautiful quality 🙏
Es muchas Loco
Not afraid to say it: Pii is the best content creator this community has right now. The level of quality, the knowledge, the storytelling, it's all so perfect. I really hope the community doesn't take these videos for granted.
I disagree, it is me
I saw you on the leaderboard for sky-high Sundae around my time
I love how phil edits his video
It's just beautiful to look forward to
i love this kind of thoughtful, in depth content you make for mk8dx. it's so refreshing when most other mk8dx content is either tournament clips or how-to's
マリオカートについて、こんなに深く真剣で愛情深いコンテンツが見れることに感謝！
Speaking as someone who really only races online and almost never plays TTs, I welcome buffs and a shakeup of the meta. The fact that the meta has shifted to middle weight characters and karts means that there's not as much sameyness in online racing builds and that's awesome. I think a good solution by Nintendo would be to allow players to toggle "legacy stats" at least for time trials or single player modes. That would make for two different leaderboards but it would be a good olive branch to the TT community that's probably responsible for a good half of all man hours ever spent playing this game, lol. Part of me is excited to see where the world records go with buffed vehicles capable of even faster records. But seeing inside drift records and long standing records go down in flames is sad, no doubt.
tbh i like that yoshi and birdo are the meta characters bcuz they offer alot of color options lol
I love how this feels like a documentary but also has the style of a story video
You can't have it both way. The stat buffs cannot both change the entire game, and as you say later in the video "do nothing." Games update, either track leaderboards pre-patch like many other games do, or adapt. A game should not go stagnant because it makes people have to try again for records.
Thank you for saying this. I like this guy’s video but this felt like such a boohoo whiny moment for nothing. Like just learn the new meta and get better, it’s much more fun to keep things fresh with updates rather than have the same unchanging meta forever.
People that had records don’t want to play their favorite tracks anymore because they balanced out the game? Tough luck buddy just suck it up and keep practicing
Obviously for top players it will take time to get used to the new meta, even if lower level players easily took their longstanding WRs, as soon as the top players adjust, they'll outclass the lower level player's WR by sheer class and experience and skill with the new meta. I sympathise with them for the man hours put into the TT grind, but a change one way or another was needed, Waluigi, Wiggler combo made the game very samey, at least there is more than 1 competitive combo to play if you want to stay meta.
Good for zomen, they seem to have grown back their hair since quitting speed running. 😂
this maybe effects .00001% of the players (those that hold WRs and are upset). it made the game way more interesting and refreshing, IMO even for most of that very top % of players too. if someone is upset about "having" to grind again, maybe take a step back and realize you don't actually "have to". its a video game and if it's not something thats fun/you dont look forward to, its not an obligation. the same people still have all the WRs anyway. it just gave them something else to strive for in a game I assume they highly enjoy playing since they are putting so much time into it in the first place. 😯 I'm not going to lie though, it does suck for that guy who was a week away from hitting 1000 days. Nintendo could have at least waited a week or two. 😅
Thank you for your service sir! Always a pleasure!
I really love how you use the quality of the video 🤝
こんな影響から2ヶ月経っても、まだ更新されていないミューパ、ドーナツ平野、ワルピン、エキバ、リボンロード(全て150cc)は偉大
INCREDIBLE VIDEO AS EXPECTED FROM THE GOAAAAAAAT
This is one of the first videos that I watch one night but have to go to sleep so i end it early, but it was so good that I watched it first in the morning. (In short you make high quality content) 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Awesome video, hope this gets more attention
Great vid love your editing
There is also the worry that they will nerf stats instead of buff, meaning it would be impossible to get a WR after an update.
I’d be very surprised if they were to nerf anything. They pretty clearly tried to avoid nerfing Waluigi Wiggler, I think they will continue with buffs if they do any more changes
Your content is so good i thought you were a RUclipsr with 100k! Too bad you aren’t because this quality and editing deserves 100k!
Sick video, can't wait for more to come!
This video was awesome! Really appreciate the work you put out! 😁😁😁
wow pii beautiful video man. keep up the great content
The worst part is that Nintendo already does this with Splatoon, changes in that game only apply to multiplayer meaning speedruns are kept the same
This content is what mk8dx has needed for ages!! Love ityt
Love you. Nice work on the world records. You should be proud too.
Really informative video - how'd you manage to capture those cinematic shots of the tracks?
It would be nice if Nintendo added a section for each version of the game records.
Everything explained extremely well!!! 🙏
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11:05 One of the players on that DK Jungle leaderboard had just prior to the update gotten worldwide tops (.868) using Waluigi Wiggler, which took a lot of effort. Within hours they were pushed out of tops, and within a day they were able to take 2nd Worldwide themself. The top 10 on that track was incredibly refined, but the new combos are just too fast now.
Only 2.9k subs with this quality ???? He deserves more subs
What do you use to get the cinematic camera angles? Are they custom camera paths?
it’s prob a mod
@@twhylerm I have no doubt in that
Keep up the quality!
It is certainly sad that really strong world records were beaten so easily but i think the update unlocked new frontiers of time trialing.
(Kind tone) I think you need to remember how hyperfocused you are on this specific aspect of the game. It's devastating because it's change, not because it's bad, or even unwelcome.
And it's be silly to have different stats for vehicles in races and time trials. After all, TTs are used by many people to practice tracks without CPUs.
Outside of intense time triallers, I haven't seen anyone truly upset about the meta changes.
It'll be okay
Great video again!! 👏👏
How do you get those cinematic shots?
The person that made the balance patch, you’re not invited to my birthday party.
well they are to mine!
amazing video bro proud of you 😎😎
Idk, this happens all the time in speedrunning when new tricks are discovered
Yeah, along with wave 3’s custom items but this is good too
I’d like to see a world records update by you, love your vids
I was in exam so i didn't see it, but it was Amazing super work !
wait the MT stat affects trick boost duration too?
Can't they separate the leaderboards between versions?
How do u check character stats?
This video perfectly encapsulates the sour feeling I got with this update.
One more example of the internet ruining gaming.
I hope we get Sonic in the next wave. 😉🌀
Goated video from the goat himself
i feel like this MK8 meta is taking away the real fun when competing with global players. Everybody wants to use the best combination because its pretty obvious no one likes losing online. The VR point system online that was originally placed on the Wii shouldn't have been there to begin with, it contributes to the chaotic Meta all together, I mostly prefer a rank system that doesn't require VR points but letting your Overall PlayTime on MK8 determine your rank online.
That's something about Nintendo I don't understand. All changes to MK started from MKDS with the infamous broken snake bug online. Instead of fixing the bug, they revamped the entire control surface inputs altogether. They did it to make the game easier but they still implemented competitive/Meta measures that defeated the pupose of the adjustments overall.😡🤦♂
What font do you use?
That mute city story makes me sad
Wait so I beat a world record a few years ago and didn’t know it!
imagine if they do this for every new character
That would suck tbh
Great video keep up the good work bro
Make a seperate category for pre-wave 4 if the world record going down is so bad
there are vehicles used on wrs before wave 4 that got buffed so this is just impossible
Did you HAVE to put Don't Ever Forget as the intro?
Bro! for God sake! top content here😛 new sub👏
Phenomenal content
I see both sides, for example, I think that the new karts are far too buffed and feel terrible for people who loaded their records. On the other hand, I’m so glad I don’t see that god awful Waluigi Wiggler anymore, so I’m torn on this change
Really poignant video. I wish more people would make an effort to understand how huge of an effect wave 4 had on the speedrunning scene. I was moving steadily away from the game in 2021, but the announcement of the booster course pass made me excited about the game again. It's ironic that part of this DLC is what finally pushed me to quit the game almost completely... If I seriously grind anything again, whether that be time trials or RTA speedruns, it'll be well after wave 6 comes out. It doesn't feel like there's any reason to achieve anything if it will become irrelevant in a few months. The least I can hope is that the game settles in a spot that's actually more balanced than it began, rather than making time trial combos less diverse than online combos ever were.
And obviously I'm not a top time trialer, but I don't think that matters. These changes affect personal goals as well as tt wr competition, not to mention other aspects of the game like NITA timesheets centered around certain combos (Adam/Jet spent SO much time and effort documenting waluwig times) and RTA speedruns. The community will adapt, and new metas and baselines will settle, but it still just seems so pointless to me.
Dude, I don't do time trials, I just play, and only now did I realize how much this affected previously passionate time trialers who grinded to put out their best work. It's crazy.
@@pianist1562 remember how I said, just before wave 4 released, that I thought Nintendo might add a new character class that could have better stats than Walu/DK/Roy? I realized I technically got that right with all the stat changes to existing classes. I know you’re not really playing but My only hope now, is that they don’t change more sats in the coming waves
@@Lando_Calzonian_MK8 They basically did with Birdo + giving her stats better than Waluigi
banger as always
Even if the changes only applied to multiplayer they’d still annoy me. For a game that’s seen no balance patches for years just leave it be
Best in the game 🫡
❤this content keep it up. ❤❤❤
このアップデートからこのゲームはおかしくなった
第3弾も大概だったけど
Mfw even Nintendo's DLC comes off as anti-consumer
I find it really discouraging to grind a WR for a map just for getting it destroyed by a random Nintendo buff
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Wave 5 lol
This is just dumb you're telling me that you now have to pay to have a chance of winning on some tracks? That's so stupid from Nintendo
The stat buffs are available regardless of owning DLC! The only thing you wouldn't have access to is Birdo specifically, but Yoshi/Peach/Daisy are all available. Well, that and the DLC tracks.