The Hybrid Xenomorph (New Beast) of Alien III and its influence on Prometheus + Alien Covenant
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- Опубликовано: 4 мар 2020
- Born on Anchorpoint Station, the New Beast of William Gibson's Alien III is a Hybrid Xenomorph containing alien and human DNA. Could the lifecycle of this beast have influenced Prometheus and Alien Covenant?
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The concept of using Bishop as the initial source of the egg on Sulaco makes lots more sense than a lucky random egg just being stuck on board.
Not to mention that the queen doesn't need an egg sac to reproduce, she can inject her eggs into viable hosts just like how a female wasp can egg sting a catapillar and impregnate it.
My guess is that the queen either had another reproductive system when she broke off her sac and stowed away on the Sulaco. I saw somewhere on the net an unofficial chart of the alien queen's anatomy and there were a few ducts that ran from where her egg sac starts which is right underneath her tail
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I’ve always thought it was stupid that the alien Queen somehow had time to run off and hide one final egg before fighting with Ripley!
@@EvilXero359 Absolutely. The queen never needed that long egg sac to lay eggs. That sac was just so she could place eggs around a large area. She can lay eggs out of her body without that. That doesn't lay the eggs, the queen does. So she never needed the egg sac. That would grow over time as she ran out of space to lay eggs, so she didn't have to move around her massive bulk, she could just hang there and lay constantly. And the sac would move around placing the eggs she laid around the room she was in.
I just couldn't get how people couldn't see this. Why does she need that sac to produce the eggs? She doesn't. She never did. That queen was not born with that long egg sac attached to her. Otherwise it would likely kill her to rip away from it like she did.
@@EvilXero359 - The evolution of XenoMorph goop has made the XenoMorph The Ultimate Physical killer, to add damage the original black goo as well as different types of black goo in different areas of space...Perhaps more creatures evolved exist ?!? Face huggers are the lice of space. Where many men have gone before...Lol...even taking out a space jockey. Yes the Yatija Predators are formidable competition or adversary...the epitome of Death before Dishonor, but The XenoMorph has that ninja ability like Jason Vorhees, somehow someway ends up sneaking their victim for the kill (a kind of like an extremely high luck, even when you think they're all dead...they survived somehow. Fusion with an Alpha have created the worst enemy to all life.
Death Walking
This organism in all forms must be contained indefinitely.
Filmmakers: "Shhhh... It was just a lucky egg! Don't question it. Just consume product and get excited for next product."
The body horror in this screenplay rivals that of Carpenter's The Thing.
Let's not go overboard.
For some reason, I can see the Hybrid as acting a lot more aggressive than the Xenomorph. I know that's saying a lot but here's what I mean; Xenomorphs are generally stealth hunters, lurking in shadows and out of sight to pounce on you, whereas I can easily see the Hybrid actively roaring and screaming as it doggedly runs after each and every person it can. Something about its face, with those beady red eyes, makes me think it'd behave more maniacally and frenzied, like the human part of it is crazy with fear and confusion and the Xeno part is actively using that to fuel its actions. Contrasting this to the more cautious and stealthy behaviour of the Xenomorph and I think it'd be a horrifying and jarring sight in a live action movie.
The Unknown SCP I 100% agree. It would be terrifying
It's from a synthetic though, no human parts.
@@waynebryan9496 Huh. Well amending that little detail, I still stand by my viewpoint on how it'll behave. Those red eyes just give me the impression.
Actually I think your correct, the comic version has the spores create what was seen in alien resurrection, no matter where it comes from. I was confused and was mixing up several different things.
@@waynebryan9496 Not to worry man :)
Finally, it’s been awhile sense this channel talked about a Xenomorph species.
I only have one thing to add to the Alien 3 debate, how come no one thought to put an Egg inside the landing gear cavity of the Dropship? The queen was hidden in there for some time and she could have deposited it in that area in the time between escaping Acheron and revealing herself inside the Sulaco, also, the metamorphosis burster is a GREAT idea, an Adult Xenomorph emerging through a host is Terrifying indeed.
You see elements of this in Alien Resurrection too, with the cloning & the Hybrid Alien Creature. Love the channel
Given this, the alien certainly gives the word "Cocktail" a new meaning
You need to become part of the alien team with your vast knowledge of Alien Lore, you are like a database of information.
My thoughts exactly. The misinformed and misguided writers in Hollywood need to use people like Alien Theory to make great stories.
@@RANDYJR72 IMO, they don't give a shit, the higher ups in the film business. They just want to churn out average garbage, written by people with basically a fraction of the knowledge of these films. Just as long as contracts (and quotas) can be fulfilled it's all business to them. Fuck passion or creativity. It's just about the money at the end of the day these bastards want to make, not please us fans.
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It's simple really; unlike the first films the new ones felt completely lacking in creative passion.
A creation that wants to be its own thing, but still connected to a cult classic franchise, with the makers having little to no love for the source material?
What else could have come from this but a hodgepodge mess of a prequel story.
I still adore Alien: Resurrection to this day, but the two latest entries to the franchise failed to entertain me in the slightest.
I agree 💯.. also, nice voice ❣️
@@MrCageCat You're right, the first few films were totally uncreative, made without passion or inspiration. Only money.
I read the unproduced screenplay and it's pretty impressive. I read online a few months ago, and it made my jaw drop when I found out there was going to be Xenomorph hybrids on the station Anchorpoint.
I'll have to look for this. While I did enjoy Alien 3 for what it was at the time, I am very curious where this film goes after the mutation / transformation of the WY / Lab staff.
@@BronzeAgeBryon Audible has done up this story as an audiobook now, it's very well done.
There is a motion comic that goes along with the audiobook. It is really good
Elmreros is the channel that has the audiobook and comic. You will not be disappointed
That hybrid xenomorph looks creepy as hell & I love it! Thanks for these videos!
Hi, as always well done, AT. Although as a Russian i must correct your pronounciation of the word Rodina (Motherland in Russian). You put accent on the letter I, saying rodIna, whereas it should be put on the letter O, pronounced like rhOdeena.
The parallels with the prequels can't be just coincidence
The U.P.P was an interesting addition to the Alien Lore. Meaning there are Space faring Human nations Beyond earth. And opposed to the Corporations of Earth.
And Add Xenomorphs into the mix, It will make for new stories with each faction trying to weaponize them.
Kinda like Sevastapol station and the other corporation mentioned in the Cold Forge book. A pretty awesome idea showing more then just weyland yutani are power hungry.
The Alien RPG i think goes into that lore some
yeah but then it becomes too dated and attached to modern world politics. I'd be happy to have no socialists in the AlienVerse
Skeptical Guardsman But there’s gotta be at least one faction bent on keeping the other factions from doing that.
Majin Yojimbo Capitalism, socialism... don’t matter when they’re arcturian!
Gibson's hybrid is likely where Alien Resurrection got its hybrid from also.
Gibson's 'Alien 3' did some wonderful world building - garibaldi new beast design, exo suit stuff. It goes to show the rich potential of the series as a whole. Thanks for the quality content AT!
Yes I wish neca would release a figure of the hybrid alien I just started collecting neca alien figures I got my neca alien 3 complete
I've been eyeballing NECA Alien figures for a while now and I want to buy every single one lol
@@Jormyyy lmmfao that's what I did for years I finally made my mind up last month bought a big China cabinet and everything lol
@dustisdeadbodies85 yes Im going to get a really big TV stand and turn it in to a kinda Hive lol I'm starting on the alien resurrection wave next getting the queen I'm going to get a bunch of neca alien eggs I'm going to have Hicks Hudson Ripley with facehuggers on them and shit I'm going to try and collect all the neca waves of all the alien movies
@dustisdeadbodies85 I might actually do that
I'm seriously considering making one myself, which I did with the deacon alien a while back. I didn't like the released version. Besides, I prefer them a bit bigger.
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Yeah man I agree. I just found it two days ago and it's very entertaining.
I absolutely love William Gibson's take on the Alien franchise! Even though I don't mind the original Alien 3 myself, he just seems to give all the loved characters of Aliens a better ending, while still leaving room for a fourth. I feel like the characters Bishop and Hicks needed more exploring, which in this version we do get more of an insight. I do wish they had done this rather than the original Alien 3 through but am glade that they've done comics and audio books.
Also, you should do a video on the short story 'Broken' which gives the character Bishop more background. Anyway,
Thanks Alien Theory!
Really? I thought bishop and hicks were developed plenty.
That was awesome. Excellent synchronization, refrencing, timing, and delivery.
Excellent video.
I read the this graphic novel recently and it definitely had some interesting ideas that appeared later in the Alien series, although Gibson says in his foreword that he was working from a treatment so it's unclear which ideas he came up and which were part of the treatment. The Xenomorph/Human hybrids featured in Alien resurrection and them being aggressive towards standard Xenomorphs is also in his script, they also explicitly discuss the Xenomorphs being a developed weapon rather than a naturally occuring lifeform which is a major plot-point of Prometheus and Covenant. It would be interesting to know exactly who came up with these ideas.
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I think the idea that the aliens were made as a weapon is just horrifying. Because who and what would need these creature's. What greater threat could there possibly be
Prior to the Prequel movies (and even to this day technically) my head canon was that the aliens were designed as a Terror weapon or as part of a MAD scenario, a way for the Space Jokey/Engineers to simply threaten possible enemies into submission.
If you go by the prequels, there's really no good answer to the question aside from "just cause" (i.e., narrative convenience). But a lot of the expanded universe works (e.g., books and graphic novels) depict the species that created/cultivated the xenomorphs as being Abusive Precursors. Right bastards that other galactic civs hated and feared. Even the Yautja had a war/run ins with them according to the "newer" books. The xenomorphs are less of defense against a greater threat; more of a case of a tool used by the greater threat to punch down against everyone else.
Apologies to all for the necro-post but I found this post and question quite interesting. Particularly with the current day war and the push towards automated weapons platforms in the forms of drone warfare.
The simple answer as to who or what would need such things; A military mind would likely argue that you can always use more and better weapons. We need look no further than the research and development of biological and chemical weapons. The majority of our species sees the development of such weapons as borderline pure evil yet many of the most advanced nations have in the past and likely are currently developing such weapons. Why? Because. Because we always need better weapons. Or so the idiots at the top think.
It is one of the points I always hated about the Aliens expanded universe. The constant obsession with creating a new weapon out of a nearly uncontrollable beast. Yet, despite the very real fears and warnings against developing AI for military applications, we are running headlong into creating our very own Skynet scenario. Humans as a species, while possessing many great gifts of intellect are quite brainless.
We have a galaxy worth of resources to use and capitalize on yet we fight over a single planet worth of resources. So petty and small minded. We waste valuable assets to kill ourselves while we remain virtually defenseless against a stray asteroid that could in a blink erase us all from creation. It is in that instance that I can see the "Who and what would want one." We would. Because one more weapon. Doesn't matter that the weapon would annihilate us. Doesn't matter that it is functionally worthless to us. We always want the next weapon.
Any way, thank you to those who take the time to read this necro-post. Apologies once again.
......the engineers......because humans were capable of too much violence and so by removing the violence from them, they were left with pure violence......which they decided to use to wipe out the original humans.....but then a lab leak of sorts happened and now the universe is infected with xenomorphs.......
@@deltatea3192 I don`t know why the idea of the Alien as a weapon was brought up - of course the humans may use them as one, just as plague, small pox etc. was discussed as biological weapons in the world wars and beyond. But as I see it, the Alien was some kind of a parasitic life form which is deadly in any conceivable way, be it an embryo, a grown up or even when dead.
I really liked the infectious necromorph from the Alien: Prototype book.
As much as I like the Alien 3 we have, I would have liked to see this one.
Wow dude. You know your shit. These movies are a family tradition. I appreciate that they must be close to your heart as well. Thank you very much. It was a pleasure to watch . Absolutely professional
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Thanks for doing this video AT. I read the leaks of the Gibson script years ago, and I loved seeing it come alive in the comics. I have always wondered why people hated Alien 3 so much and touted this as what should have been, especially when the prequels came out and everybody hated them too. I Adore this franchise and I just can't stand the negativity of it's fan base. The Promethian story is where we were headed with Gibson, I wonder how many people back in the 90s would have shaped the fandom through today by hating on the Gibson Alien 3 movie if it had ever come to be.
Man, I wish we had gotten this movie.
Look up elmreros channel, the does the a motion comic with the audiobook dub. Closest thing we will get to a movie
This would have been a great segway from Aliens to Alien 3. And the whole idea of the Hybrid is terrifying and could create some very interesting (and gorey) scenes and movie(s).
Would love to see this idea being expanded upon, or at least referenced more like in Prometheus / Covenant.
as for the last question - "Do you think we'll see the hybrid?"
*NOPE* i realized when you covered Feifel's transformation from the original proto-xeno design is that it comes down to licesnes and royalties. Maybe Gibson asked for too much or Fox didn't want to make the effort to license those designs, hence they took the concepts and redesigned them.
William Gibson the father of cyberpunk... this screenplay version would have made for an excellent movie.
"In hypersleep noone can hear you snore"
Whoa, learned something new today. I had heard of this neo-version of alien 3, but not the details of it. That would of made for an interesting movie.
I loved this, so well produced, interesting and well narrated!
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It truly is amazing how many fantastic concepts never made it past the cutting room floor. I love Alien 3, and the final product we got, but this concept definitely needs to be in a future installment down the line.
I liked ALIEN3... The Xenomorph coming from a dog or the yak (depending on what cut you watch) was great and it shows how the alien DNA incorporates the hosts DNA into the species.
Thing is doesn't explain why the aliens in aliens look like the alien in the first one aren't they supposed to take on the form of their in ways? If so why is Alien 3 different from the first 2
@@beverlyarcher546 the alien in the original alien was birthed from a human, the aliens in aliens were also birthed from humans, hence why they look similar in the first 2 films (although I’ll admit it’s odd that seemingly none of the colonists had pets or had their pets impregnated/consumed).
Your editing is so great! So is your voice. Good job. Awesome
Really gotten back into this channel. Great video. Love your work and the creepy air you give the discussion of Alien.
Just discovered this channel maybe a week ago. Great content. Keep it up
The truth is while Alien 3 gets bashed and criticized often, it is still a great film that I feel has gotten better with age. I truly think this version of Alien 3 would have been bashed just as severely as Finchers version because of how unique it is. I mean how does one follow the first two film. The truth is, there was no easy way to do so. I personally really enjoy Finchers version and it’s bleak take on the franchise.
NovaPrime Productions But wouldn’t you agree though that it still would not have been received as well as the first two. In a unique way, you could almost say Alien 3 makes the first two even better. Even though, I’m a big Alien 3 fan.
NovaPrime Productions Although it is not executed to the best potential that it could have been, Alien 3 did show how the xenomorph would grow and react different coming from a dog in stead of a human. I think the dog Alien in certain scenes (Im aware it looks awful in certain scenes haha) are some of the best in the entire series.
Just rewatched Alien 3. No. No, it doesn't.
Ive just discovered this channel, its hecking amazing!
Also, your voice sound like cecils from "invincible".
The only downside to the comic adaptation was the art style and the lack in feeling of suspense due to the coloring and not enough emphasis on the hybrid.
Oh hell yeah!, I was about to go to sleep, i,'ll watch this first....
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I’m always up for well written Xenomorph horror/action!
Although I don’t know how there can be another prequel as the last one was really awesome and answered the remaining questions.
Unless we get a new sequel that takes place shortly after Alien 3 and adds in components of the last prequel. That would make for a nice wrap up to the prequels.
Shocked that Hicks was still alive in the DLC Story for Aliens Colonial Marines
They should have made Alien 0 ( where they made a story about Space Jockeys vs Alien's origin ) , Not Humans.
Then, their ship crash lands and Alien 1 starts...
That would be awesome. Almost like how where Star Wars Rogue One ends, A New Hope begins.
I thought Prometheus was going to be literally how Alien starts.
Spoilers:
So what i can work out, the Engineers made "that shit in those vases". That shit somehow makes aliens (like in Prometheus/ Alien 4). They make a Queen (like in Alien 4/ Covenant). It lays the eggs (Aliens/ AVP). The transport ship carrying those eggs crashes into LV-426 (i like to imagine it was attacked by Predators or "gets out" (The Predator/ AVP2)). Alien starts (Alien/ Aliens).
And that's why i like all those movies.
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Yes, indeed!
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It would also make more sense and create a brand new Alien mother ( all of the Aliens! )
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That's also what I thought when I watched the Prometheus... an explanation about the origin of Aliens...
I always figured perhaps the space jockeys were not the developers of the creatures but the crew of a cargo carrier. That way they'd mirror the crew of the towing vessel Nostromo. I'd rather the specifics of who made them or where they came from be kept a mystery.
My thoughts exactly after listening to the audio book. Great job as always. 👍
Alien 3 is dank, and one if my favorite films of all time.
I'd still like to see this though.
Great video as always. Love it!!!
Hey Alien Theory guy!
I love the way you narrate!
Well done. I could listen to you talk for hours.
Hey Alien Theory stay safe during these turbulent times!
Alien Covenant recycled the hybrids idea in Gibson's Alien 3
I had no clue Alien III on Audible was a new story, thank you AT! Gonna pick it up soon!
Nice to see you back on your game
Long time fan, thank you
I just recently read the William Gibson's Alien 3 comic and I have to say the concept of the hybrid was cool and its design was fierce looking and its birth was horrific but I found it strange that the "pure blood" (if you wanna call it that) xenomorph rejected the hybrid and even killed it at the end, I guess it sensed it wasn't 100% like it and took it as some kind of abomination kinda like how Predators look at Predaliens
Would have loved this as a alien 3 instead of the prison film.
Actually, I don't get it as to why they could not make stand-alone movies set in the Aliens universe. That would have allowed for various stories to take place with different heroes. Also, some could appear in more than one movies, perhaps in some of the movies they could appear together etc. but not necessarily. We could have incredible movies. Also, today, we probably do have the tech background to create a series. It would cost less to create a series than it would have 20-30 years ago if CGI is considered. I'd love a Colonial Marines or "Colonies" series. It would rock so much!
Me too
Granted the official film was lame but it was funny
Morse: "GAHH" What the fuk you doing?
Vincent: "Whaa?"
Morse: "Don't hold it like that! Hold it like this!"
Yeah alien 3 was meh and kinda felt like a plot killing film as the struggle the characters go through in aliens just to have them die in the 3rd was I think a series killer the earth wars comics would of made a cool way to continue the film franchise
Would rather have a film that isn’t continuing Ripley story- she’s dead.
Is it so difficult to come up with new characters and locations featuring the titular monster nowadays?
we definitely need the third prequel..
Yeah but sadly rs confirmed we are not gonna see how David used all those hosts to perfect the xeno.. Sad..
The audible play of this is amazing
Great video 💯👏 👏👏 👏
Great catch. Similarities are uncanny.
Would like to see you cover the Necromorph sometime. Or Alien: Prototype which was a pretty good book
Incredible episode! 👏👏👏
Excellent! Thank you so much!
thank you for this video getting more and more interested
Great video brother keep it up
I saw "alien 3" and I was really confused with the hybrid alien since it was on alien resurrection... then I remembered the never filmed script of alien 3 lol
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For the first time, I love a concept from a novel/out of cinema lore. This is an amazing idea for a Xenoverse creature
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This would have been a much better movie. I'm not much of a fan of Gibson's stuff other than his early cyberpunk but I think he knocked it out of the park with this one.
Fascinating! I must track that audio down.
Great post, thanks
I just recently found this on audible, and it's not until I find the graphic novel that I finally understand the ramifications and horrific terror of the transformation. Just imagine if that'd happened. It'd be worse than resident evil's t-virus as you wouldn't know what was happening until the moment it happened, especially if you were somehow aware of it the second before your mind disappeared. If anything, an airborne strain of xenos would be MUCH worse than facehuggers; those would just happen one at a time and would depend on how many eggs were already on hand, but with an airborne means of infection, you could infect hundreds or thousands, and you wouldn't know until it was too late
Love it man.
This was fantastic
This was very intriguing.
Wonderful expansion of this epic story.
I thoroughly enjoyed the Alien 3 audiobook wasn’t aware it was turned into a comic too I’ll have to look out for it.
I appreciate being given a fleshed out explanation on the origins of a creature in horror films. Watching horror and expecting mindless killing and enjoying it is just unappealing and played out for decades now. I enjoyed the prequels. If someone else didn't, good for them. That doesn't change the fact that they exist and are canon😂 Hearing someone complain about them saying it removes the mystery and intrigue is just cringe to read. It isn't a universe you created. At least it isn't post Disney star wars 😅
When George Lucas first screened The Force Awakens, his gut reaction was to shame the “creative” team by saying “There’s nothing new here.” That’s the theatrical release of Alien³.
Everything was new in Alien, Aliens gave us the queen and the hive, William Gibson’s Alien³ would’ve given us the body-burster - which would’ve shocked and floored audiences. It’s a tight, suspenseful story, that continued the world-building with the other governments and so on.
It was a GREAT audiobook!
I like your narration very much! Your voice would be ideal for an audio book of any kind... I can just imagine an ALIEN AUDIO BOOK right now!
:-)
And it was pretty cool to do the narration from Bishop's perspective. Very well done!
And like I said... your voice is awesome!!
Another great video, thanks. You have a wonderful voice, by the way. You should read audio books!
The reports on this channel by Alien Theory are imperial and bar none. The files are very detailed leaving little to assume regarding these inquires. Well done.
I don't think there will be another, I loved all the short stories they should of intermingled them all it helps explain so much.
I just recently read the graphic novel. Was such a great story/idea! Lindeloff ripped it off the big talentless chancer. If this alien 3 was made we would have got a 4th with ripley an newt! Would have been great
In a nutshell Prometheus and Covenant writers copy past Williams Gibson's Alien 3 scrip... BRILLIANT!!!
I was never a fan of Gibson's Alien 3 script, though I've read it like twice and I do wanna listen to both the audio and read the comic.
I always thought the infection through the air was a ridiculous concept but... Well.. Here we are after all.
The way she implodes reminds me a hecking lot of the arcade game Space Gun Taito, which was clearly inspired by Aliens.
And then let's not forget the Egg Morphing that was present in both Alien 1 and the Atari Jaguar game of Aliens vs Predator.
So what I mean with my crazy rambling is that, yeah, it sorta makes sense. That's all.
Though you wouldn't necessarily expect it given the quality of the prequels, I don't think the similarities you found are a coincidence. There must be people working in the background that have the knowledge of Alien lore that are injecting these ideas into the script somehow. If you ask me they should involve fans such as yourself that have the knowledge in future films. Thanks for the video and keep it up.
A young Sigorney Weaver - the perfect organism
Im not an alein fan so much. But the way you narrate is awesome. You have a gift for sure.
I think Ridley has panted himself into a corner ,one he can't ever get out of,as he had the right idea with Prometheus ,but then lost it with Covenant I wanted to see where Elizabeth Shaw was going to ,not to hear she died off camera!?! As That last scene in Prometheus was a great setup and very interesting storyline to finish out the Alien story!,but Ridley succumbed to pressures from the studio,one's that he always avoided early in his career!
This was a very original reversion of xenomorph creation, definitely could've revamped new life into the franchise.
MOTHER...Thank Alien Theory for making my day...AGAIN. .
I feel like Dead Space was inspired by this Gibson version as well.