As soon as it showed Bruce in the foreground with his parents on the ground representing Batman, joker woke up and that represented him becoming joker as well so I agree
Glowkite not just that, I also believe that it was for the overall theme. Arthur wasn’t a hero, what he was doing wasn’t in any way justified. Even if he did get some form of gratification in the end that shot of Bruce reminds us that because of his actions he gave birth to a force that would some day kick his ass. . . Over and over again.
U miss it They were already in the cinema before the riot started, a protest was going on yes, but it was when joker shot Murray that the RIOT started with the street on fire So when the waynes were done with their movie, they tried to escape the street so the alley was the best option. Thomas was just trying to protect his family Hope u get it now
I don’t know RUclips wanted a name for me loved that they saw zorro gay blade. About a man impersonating the real zorro. Another example of how we wear masks awesome
The people dont want to take accounts ability for their actions especially some weirdo SJW behind a key board with a following like an online blogger. It means they have to treat people better. They'd rather die
Just stupid people blaming movies and videogames for premeditated actions. No, the themes of the media you consume aren't an excuse for you to a garbage human being.
That’s the thing oI Joker is some one who thinks the world I hypocritical and the most hypocritical thing he did was going from someone dressing up as a clown to make people happy then dressing up as a clown and killing people to make society realize how hypocritical it truly is
Small details I love about this movie: - Arthur slowly gains more weight after his mother's in the hospital. - Arthur wasn't exaggerating when he said people just yell and scream at each other because throughout the film with scenes in his apartment complex, you can hear muffled screams and yelling through the walls. - You can spot Penny's letters to Thomas Wayne throughout the film like when Arthur was writing his material on the dining table. - Penny didn't care about Arthur's 'date' and just asked him to send her letter before going to bed. Hinting at her narcissistic disorder. - The purple lights were prominent backstage at Murray's show when Arthur was about to make his appearance. - Penny's hair color changed from dark brown to ginger when Arthur found out he was adopted. - That lady on the bus didn't give Arthur his card back. Even though she was supposed to as written on the card. - Hoyt, Arthur's boss, is unironically the only person in the film who verbally mentioned he knew Arthur wanted to be a comedian. Arthur's social worker and mother didn't know even though he told them so. - You can actually see Arthur get apprehended by police in the shot where they showed multiple news channels. At the last moment beside the first screen we saw, Arthur finishes his line and gives a laugh before some men tackled him off the screen. - There were eight shots fired in the subway before it clicked empty, so realism? - In Arthur's journal entry about hoping his death would make more 'cents' than his life, Arthur describes him coming across a dead body of a homeless man with paramedics around as people walked past and over, and he writes about how baffled he was to see it before wondering if that was how the homeless man wanted to die. So the line "If it was me dead on the sidewalk, you'd walk right over me" has more weight than just hyperbole. - Arthur's last meeting with his social worker had him say he heard a song on the radio recently about a man singing how his name was the same as Arthur's clown name. In the scene before this at his workplace, that song played on the radio and throughout the scene as Arthur made his grand exit from his workplace. - In the end when he was on top of the car, the street they were on was the same street Arthur was chasing the kids. They ended where they began. I spent ludicrous amounts of money to see this film on theatres and just noticed these things. I am now broke. It's still a fantastic film.
Awesome list. Another nice one, the Joker's suit and make up is inspired by Murray's array of curtains. Red on the outside, yellowish beige, then white for the makeup and lastly blue for the eyes.
Kudos to you for noticing all of those things! I really love when movies include details that they really didn't need to but do anyway. It goes to show how much thought was put into it.
I got one for you. When he's on the date and we see him and Zazzies character through the window we see "Donuts" in neon lights. Donuts spelled backwards is "Stunod" pron. Stoo-nod which if you look up the definition is "Stupid or crazy, out of touch with reality". Nice touch by Philips.
Tyrone Riboet I got goosebumps when little Bruce was just standing there, watching his parents dead (not in a weird way ofc) because just imagine if there's a follow up Batman movie, like goddamn, that would be awesome.
My favourite haunting scene is on the train when he first starts laughing and you can see the fear and anxiety in his eyes when he catches the 3 guys attention but he cant stop laughing. Hes shaking his head, laughing uncontrollably but at the same he looks terrified. He looks like he wants to cry because of the situation his illness is getting him into. Its acting at its peak.
I liked that train scene too but I thought it could be done better like to be more raw and gruesome....but, I understand why they did it, because the bullet to Murray's head needs to be RAW and Realistic. And it fucking was. My jaw was dropped the whole time. It's like hey look at our boy, we clapped for him as he suited up ready to go into the Show we are proud of him, now look at him he killed Murray shot him no remorse into the head... then my jaw dropped again at the car scene surrounded by mobs. Amazing movie.
But he also had complete control when he laughed out of the clown room and then stopped on a dime. Was his condition fabricated? All part of his costume? We may never know.
Marshall Frost yeah and in the commentary version they say that Arthur is right handed and the joker is left handed that’s why sometimes you see him write with his right hand and other times with his left, he also shot Murray with his left hand, I thought that was pretty cool
For as morbid as that scene is thematically, with the fact that there is a firearm withing lethal distance of children, the way he picked it up and the shushing motion he made were kinda fucking funny.
I didn't see him die when he strangled his mother... I saw him die when he killed the talkshow host. That was he Author died, that was when he commited suicide. He was still there when he killed his college, it was Author that let the little guy get out, but after that his persona, his illness won the battle, and he killed himself with the bullet that entered head of the talkshow host, from that on, Author was never on screen again.
Bree De'Leon it’s because Arthur lets his suffering out through laughing instead of crying. So no matter how he feels, he expresses his emotion through laughter
@@margarethmichelina5146 my local theater had a sign up; they weren't allowing masks or full clown makeup. I'm okay with people not being themselves so much in public places.
@Here to comment/watch weird stuff Really? You don't understand the metaphor? The persona of Joker is his "mask". On top of that, he has the make-up and everything.
Alexual Also, I've worked with people with mental illness. This is how they run. Joaquin actually studied mental patients and how they act believe it or not
@@mahspce that is the dumbest fucking sentence ive ever read...and not what he did....also mental illness covers alot of fuckin things annnnnd i dont run like a dude in clown shoes...
Christian Tompkins he wasnt her dr. She was an employee of his. And the picture of her with thomas waynes initials complimenting her smile suggests he found her attractive because he signed and gave it to her personally. Plus why does arthur have the same dissociative personality disorder as his adopted mother? Seems like it’s genetically passed down from mother to son. Even the resemblance between wayne and arthur in the bathroom is visable. To me the certificate of adoption seems fabricated after introducing the picture of his mom being complemented by wayne. So in the end thomas waynes actions are the catalyst for both the joker and batman
NairVision I thought the joke was “Why so serious?” Because it makes sense. Bruce Wayne was so upset over his parents dead bodies. The joker thinks death is funny.
The imagery of him using his blood to make the smile on his face while he stands on the hood of the crashed cop car in front of rioters taking his side while the city is burning was absolute pure supervillain imagery. And I loved it.
It’s definitely the scene that I can’t stop thinking about. It’s beautiful, but I can’t decide how I feel about it. Part of me looks at it as this misguided mob glorifying a sick murderer, and I’m disgusted by it. Another part of me recognizes that people always have the capacity to do terrible things with the proper push, and that scene shows it perfectly.
ElfHostage Well since he was talking about in that situation before he became a psycho murderer, with all due respect you’re a little crazy for saying that
I'm still fucked up from that scene after a day, same feeling I had when I watched Under the Skin with it's the beach scene. It's not how Joker killed Murray, it was that feeling of realness. That shot afterwards when Joker's legs are just bouncing from adrenaline and Murray is dead next to him, it was just how eerily real is looked, like I was on set seeing it all happen. Movie has people talking, and I think that's what a movie is supposed to do so I'd give props to Todd Phillips if I could for making a film I'll remember for a long time.
Even when there wasn't any music, I tapped along to the beat of the conversation. Then, when the music had started, I thought I was insane because the music went to the very same beat I was tapping
@@gabbyhoyte525 I know right!!! some weirdo is stalking you.. you confront him about it and he say yes and all of a sudden y'all go together I knew right then he was imagining all that crap from that scene😂🤣😂🤣
I'd feel it dismissive if we didn't recognize the greatness of the score/music of this movie. Hilder Guonadottir. That deep, rumbling cello brings the movie such a dark vibration that simply latches on to Aurthur Fleck and exacerbates his illness, his isolation and ultimately his transformation. It resonates throughout the entire movie. Everything about this movie is brilliant.
Agreed. Just saw it and the music was incredible. It could set the tone as intense and unsure or playful and upbeat in the same scene. It shifted regularly and was just so perfectly orchestrated for the scenes they were played over.
I actually liked that they connected the Waynes' deaths with the civil unrest. It concretely connects the city to Batman. He isn't a sad kid looking for something to do because his parents died, he wants to restore the city that stole them from him.
@@DeeWunnHybrid I can now imagine Joker abusing Harley simply cause he thinks she's another hallucination. "Fool me once shame on me Fool me twice Imma beat the shit out of my imaginary lover".
Arthur said “you always been good to me, thanks” game him a kiss... wow! it wasn’t funny to me, everyone was chuckling.. I thought he also had it coming... pew.
The moment when the midget was terrified after Arthur stabbed the fat guy to death and as the midget tried walking out and Arthur scares him by screaming at him was the best moment to show what the joker is all about.
I also loved how he opened the door for him. He opened it so slowly and with such tension. The potential of him slamming it shut as a sick joke had me on the edge of my seat
Anon Ymous at first he opens it a crack and then he shuts it and kisses is head and I was like oh fuck he’s gonna kill him but then he opened it again... the scene had so much tension
The little hug and kiss he gave him almost made me cry though. He was always nice to Arthur, and because of that Arthur couldn't hurt him. It was like he was giving all the love he had left in him to his little person friend.
Anon Ymous that scene had me laughing yet tense at the same time. I was really thinking he was going to slam the door on his head on the way out then I let out a nervous chuckle after he let him go
I remember watching the movie and thinking “why would she just show up at his door and flirt? She doesn’t even know him or have any reason to want to know him.” The twist was a great moment
Same here, I was surprised Arthur was bold enough when he went for the kiss down the hall (I was thinking about her poor kid having to listen to that lol), which made the twist even better. That also made his kiss on the Murray Show EVEN better because he finally had that boldness to do so, to live in that moment, as The Joker. Spectacular stuff.
Normally, that would have clued me in to the fact that it wasn't real except that Hollywood doesn't do a very good job of realistically portraying relationships in the first place. Characters often get thrown together even though they don't have any real chemistry. Men will often do sappy needy things and women will unrealistically think it's "cute." I remember a friend of mine was watching the Bond film Casino Royale specifically to see how Bond seduces a woman and he says one line and then it immediately cuts to them having sex. Obviously, some of it is pacing, but I believe that generally most people don't really understand enough about attraction to write a convincing romance. We don't really teach how attraction really works because the idea of a man taking action to seduce a woman has a stigma against it because it makes women feel uncomfortable to give men any sort of power over sex and feminist society assumes that seduction is just men lying to women to "trick" them into sex.
I also liked the moment when Arthur tells the little man he won't kill him because he was always nice to him. Shows that there ist still a little bit humanity left in arthur at this point.
That scene also kinda suggests Arthur didn't leave Sophie alive. His best friend didn't recognize him, probably told him he had to go. He might've tried to kiss her or whatever... I sense maybe a cut scene to keep Joker as sympathetic as possible until after the end. Since Gary was "the only one" who was ever nice to Joker, it left me concerned for Sophie's well-being.
Maybe this is just me, but... it was kinda obvious...? The only scenes where she really are in them are in the elevator, when Arthur follows her and when he breaks into her apartment. Don’t get how people didn’t realize she wasn’t in those other scenes. Their relationship went too well, the dialogue was too good for Arthur, Sophie constantly smiled at him despite him following her and being creepy as hell, and the color palette of the films had subtle cues when it would go from reality to imagination
Aris Kapelanos it was pretty obvious tbh. The movie was so well done and fleshed our, I couldn’t believe there was a character they just casually glazed over
Seems like he was so broken from the start (we don’t realize until later how early it starts) and was so desperate for companionship/acceptance that he created a faux relationship in his own head. I feel like this happens after just one person (other than his mother and shitty co-workers) talks to him, which would be the black woman he meets in the elevator. I had a strange feeling about it all after he starts walking to his apartment, turns around to stop her, and says “hey!” and does the fake “blowing your brains out” hand gesture back to her....and the timing of it was so awkward and strange, like he was too socially-retarded to actually respond to her in the elevator. Freaky.
Agreed now I can only imagine that he lead Harley Quinn into her insanity because of his condition there’s so many questions opened up with this movie I need more Phoenix or this character or joker portrayer’s
I remember thinking it was all ridiculous. Her laughing at the gun gesture. Her asking if he was following her and then proceeding to ask him out. Them immediately making out. At first I thought: This is such a poorly written and unrealistic relationship. Even for Hollywood. Then the twist happened and I was like: “Oooh... brilliant!” Honestly that and the shooting scene at the end really made the movie for me.
And Bruce Wayne died when his parents died in the alley. That is why Joker and Batman are so perfect against each other. You either come out one way or another way after a tragedy.
The reason I love this movie is because of: - It provides an incredibly unique backstory for the joker, nothing like Arthur Fleck was ever done before(at least that I know of). - It makes you sympathize with the Joker, which to some people is bad, but any bad guy characters that I can relate to are automatically complex,which is an immediate sign of a good written character. - It tackles a LOT of issues, like social divide and mental health, which makes it a discussion, and its made all the better by the fact that we see the movie from Arthur's perspective,and how, and I quote," Nobody thinks what it's like to be the other guy." The movie is both biased AND unbiased at the exact same time. - It has the media in an uproar. Why, you might ask? Because the movie makes the media see just how bad they are. It makes certain rich people see that they look down on the poor, it makes talk certain show hosts see how they make fun of people at their expense, and these are just two examples. I will make no attempt to say I am unbiased, hell, I am RIDICULESLY biased toward hating certain,and this is just my opinion, STUPID figures In the media. The media hates this movie because they want to live in a lie where they are the good guy, And let me make myself clear, that thinking you are the good guy is just dumb. None of us are the good guy, and none of us are the bad guy, And this movie is Awesome. I'm sorry that the last point turned into a rant but I just had to. Thank you for reading, And PLEASE, give me a counterargument, i want a conversation, alright? Alright. I really hope that this isn't lost in the comment section.
I love that they did, "The Killing Joke" comic book justice. Anyone shocked that the Joker is a violent villain clearly doesn't know the character. Joker is THE baddest of the bad and always has been. His origin simply reveals the time just before his transformation into the Joker. I Loved this movie.
@@blaster915 Holy fucking shit lmao This was so long ago, I was a wee little boy when I typed this out, the grammatical errors are ridiculous. Thank you though, that was a hell of a trip down memory lane, it's been a really long time since I watched Joker anyways lol
This scene reminded me of when Alfred tells Bruce in the Dark Knight that some people just live to see the world burn. His eyes filling with joy just illustrated that line to me.
It's so ironic that the movie literally depicts what it would take to drive someone to commit a mass shooting and the media completely ignored that and say the movie is going to cause violence. The system itself is broken and that it was will cause violence, this movie showed that perfectly and now they dont want you to see it.
Literally, I've been thinking all this time since the shooting related with the movie thing started that the problem is not that the movie will cause a shooting but that a movie could be capable of doing that. Like, how fucked can a society be in order to only need a movie to do those types of things.
That's because leftist media doesn't actually care about the problem, they just want to virtue signal. Oh, and the Joker supporters are depicting Antifa, which offends the Left (and exposes their lunacy). So of course they want to steer people away from seeing the truth.
@@SmoothJK imma be honest I dont follow politics too much so I dont know much about the left and the right, but what I will say, is they both want us to live in fear. They use stuff like this as a distraction from the real issues that take place. Both sides are corrupt and the only thing that will change that is unity amongst people
mikey4483 yeah and in the original script when he’s walking down the hallway with full joker makeup after he let the midget go, he was going to leave a letter to her that said “watch the Murray show tonight” and give her the magic wand flowers, you can see him with the flowers in the trailer
Daryl Gilmore Because before that moment I was so confused with their relationship and thought the whole idea was dumb (him killing the guys then walking through her apartment and smashing right after) until that moment which made everything make sense
I would argue that Zazie Beatz's Sophie character was important. Sure, she was a little hallow, but she was a manifestation of Arthur's desire to have some sort of normal relationship.
@Michael Anderson I'm not sure when I thought it but I did peep that she may not be how he thinks of her and when it was revealed to be so it was such a sad but satisfying moment.
For how many times we saw Bruce's parents getting killed, this version was the most realisic one. This was the version where I said "Yeah, I can understand that"
Tex Corps because Thomas Wayne had called mentally ill people clowns and neglected them so it makes more sense than being shot for pearls espically when they weren’t resisting
Tex Corps in my country, a prime minister was shot down because he had opinions that some of the public didn’t agree with. A man , more extreme , took a gun and shot him dead because of that so that scene reminded me what happened. Thomas Wayne was gunned down in this movie because some of the public didn’t agree with what he said
I loved this movie completely. The most underrated scene in my opinion, and the one that got under my skin the most, was when Arthur's boss said "If you don't return the sign, I'm taking it out of your paycheck" and Arthur had that glare/smile.That is the most sinister glare I've ever seen.
J. C. The sounds were from the next shot of Arthur beating the shit out of some trash bags in an alleyway. But yeah, I’m pretty sure that was the intention lol
The funniest scene was when he was doing the if you're happy and you know it dance. The transition from happy cancer patient kids and nurses look at him in shock as the gun awkwardly falls out of his pocket is hilarious. He has this horrified look of shock and tries to play it off as a joke.
In Batman Begins, they walked to the alley because Bruce was traumatized after see Zoro play about bats and they went to the other exit door which was the alley. In Tim Burton's Batman they went to alley for shortcut, I think the same as Gotham Tv Shows
Watching Arthur break down on the neighbor’s couch after his “Bad day” was heartbreaking. But finding out he was a stranger to her shattered me. Joker’s script is incredible, so many great twists!
Nick Bode exactly, it’s not just Taxi driver or King of comedy re wrote, it does something unique with that genre! If this was gonna be good yet generic, Arthur’s mom or Arthur’s girlfriend would’ve died making him snap like I expected. Instead it subverted expectations, he snaps causing to only imagine his girlfriend the whole time and kills his mom himself cause she wasn’t the “innocent naive ill loving mom that’s the only thing in his life that’s important” stereotype. It’s way darker and more clever than one thought
Mouse Trap Gotham is a city within New York. Gotham is a city, not a state. If you meant New York City, then also no, because New York City is also mentioned in the comics.
@@mousetrap773 So comic book wise, nah it's just kind of a generic urban American city. In the Nolan franchise, Gotham was basically Chicago with some sets in other Rust belt cities. This movie was definitely more NYC style Gotham tho
Somewhat of a rehash of Ledger's comparison of a gangbanger or soldier dying compared to a school shooting. Don't get me wrong, the line's still great. Just not what I'd call original or surprising.
@@H34rtofFire not really. Not really at all. Because in here he's talking about class. About how in Gotham people at the bottom die all the time. But the media only cared about the deaths and investigated it when the victims were high class rich boys from Wall Street.
@@alanmassey1138 ledger's Joker was talking about soldiers and how they are ignored because they are far away and aludes to his real background as a soldier. This is about class. Not the same.
@@rafaelneumann8365 You're ignoring the mention of gangbangers. His actual point was about how people ignore the deaths of soldiers, gangbangers and the like because that's "expected". Has absolutely nothing to do with them being far away, nor his own possible past. As he himself says, them dying is "all part of the plan". It's a part of life that society's grown to expect and accept. While he doesn't explicitly mention it, the same would naturally apply to more class-based roles. Bums on the side of the road, orphans, etc. Point is, the idea behind the two phrases may not be identical, but are certainly very similar. To ignore that would be playing on semantics, and nothing more. One being more tied to class doesn't magically make it some transcendent philosophical statement when compared to the other. Besides all that, Arthur claims to not give two shits about any of that, anyway, so take that for what you will.
He actually taught he had something... That scene in the hospital staircases where he realises is whole life was a lie is fucking heart breaking man...
I think they should try. It CAN be done. A good sequel, of a young Batman facing this Joker. It would be hard, and they would need to keep the ultrarealistic ultraserious tone. It would be a Batman like no other. If it fails, well, we still have this movie. If it succeeds, it would be EPIC.
I don't want a sequel, because to tie him into a Batman film means it would have to be R rated, and Batman would have to be written out and developed like Joker. You can't shoe horn this version into a PG 13 film.
@@nadirbaitsaleem7270 I will never understand how people go to the bathroom during movies, unless you are sick or have a condition... Like at what part of a movie do you go yeah I don't need to see this...
Marius Møller you’re usually in the theatre for about 3 hours total for a movie, you really think you have to be sick or have a medical condition if you need to go pee at some point during that timeframe? Maybe you’re just dehydrated.
In my theater, during the scene where Joker kills the big guy. The moment that the small guy left the room, you could hear the ENTIRE audience have a sigh of relief.
Its another one of the movies really good scenes, where it balances tension with a little dark humour really well. You’d think Arthur would kill him too but he’s just ‘nah man we cool you can leave’
I really liked the subway scene when Arthur was laughing as the guy approached him and you can see the look of terror on Arthur's face despite the laughter and you feel for him as someone who cannot express the feelings of fear and anxiety in a way others would understand. Joaquin did the disconnect between the laughter and his face beautifully, if mute the scene you'll realize that he was screaming not laughing.
Also when he smiles the way he did when his boss at work is giving him shit for the sign board. He's smiling but he's very angry and can't express it to his boss. That was sublime performance!
@@hodhod9919 I like how all of Arthur's kills are presented as disturbing, tense and fucked up. Even when he's killing shitty people who probably deserve their fates, it still doesn't feel 'good' when Joker kills them.
Did you notice how when Bruce's parents died and Bruce was looking over them, the joker woke up from the comma caused by the ambulance. It's kinda symbolic that Bruce and Arther were reborn at the same time- like they arelinked somehow.
Probably one of the reasons why he can relate to joker at some degree (the killing joke) is because they are both victims of society and bruce sees this.
Caden _t_k the timeline kinda throws it off but I don’t think any actual Batman - Joker movie, even with this Joker, could be much different than Dark Knight. But the way these 2 are set up here, Joker would be like 60 by the time Bruce becomes Batman. It is a movie of course so I’m sure if the studios and Phoenix want that payday again, they’ll make it work somehow 😂
"Now I realise, it's a f****** comedy" the f word can be argued as being the most expressive word in the English language. By having Arthur say it helps show how much emotion he has behind his revelation.
@@venomsnake225 this is why I hate and love movies like these. i love the movies but i hate the stupid idiots who think they're geniuses because they can quote another person.
Bro I said this line to my mom BEFORE I had watched the film and AFTER she watched it, because I heard in the trailers, little did I know the context and then I knew why my Mom was shocked when I said that lmaaaao
This movie is a rare home-run. It's a character study first and foremost, it's a heartbreaking, it's raw and gritty. It's the descent into darkness. Even the colour palette is dank or the city is dirty, broken, just like Arthur. Brilliant
Agree. Every scene is either fluorescent, dirty, or has trash, and he’s always smoking. It makes you want to shower right after and a movie making me feel that so viscerally is amazing.
Victor Vargas I don’t think of ever walked out of a film emotionally fucked. Especially the scene where he kills those 3 guys. Even though they were dicks there deaths were so real and disturbing.
Beginning of the movie: Laughs because he has to End of the movie: laughs because he wants to The course of the movie is how he discovers the "funny side" of life.
He finally embraces his insanity, because he never fit in or was accepted, and after all those people began mentioning him in the news and all rioters becoming inspired, I think he finally felt at home and loved....thanks to insanity and chaos.
BikeLifezx10rT oh man I was glad he killed the talk show host, the dudes on the subway, but felt uncomfortable when he constantly laughed which is great!
You're idiots. The reason i hate seeing movies in packed theaters cause you sensitive brats are afraid of being shocked so you mask seriousness by laughing. Please torrent and stay home.
Kliché Krazy I think the intention for some of them was to actually be uncomfortably funny. Like when he kills his coworker and lets the other go or when he drops the gun in the hospital.
@Triple-D26 yeah, the moment after he kills Murrrrray, the way Joaquin behaved was very much like Heath's take on the Joker. I never realized I wanted that moment, where he becomes Heath's Joker, so badly.
It's my headcanon that Heath Ledger's Joker is just a guy born after the clown riots who (after getting disfigured in Afganistan) dug up a lot of information on Arthur Fleck and thought: "yeah this guy had the right idea's."
My thoughts exactly. It could be in the DC universe they wanted to transition Phoenix’s Joker motivations to that of Heath’s joker. 1) After riots ended Phoenix escapes from Arkham Asylum to build his street power 2) Someone (Heath) kills Phoenix allowing someone else become the Joker. Both Batman and Joker are symbols now.
@@theappmaster3422 i like to think that joker made arthur up in the asylum since he has no origin story. you know, he even said he likes his past to be multiple choice. so i think he was laughing at the thought of how his made up story character, arthur, killed batmans parents. thats assuming joker was locked in the asylum the whole time after dark knight (or you can say he simply just got caught) when he got caught. this also means todd and Phoenix can go anywhere to continue this story, even adding him to robert pat's batman.
I think the Wayne’s death scene was to ground this movie back into the comic book genre. It was so dark and so real, I think it needed that to remind you it is an act of comic book fiction.
Definitely. He IS the joker. However, you have to be fair to Ledger, who wasn’t given his own movie, but rather had to play an antagonist, and an already pre-established character. Phoenix was pretty much given carte blanche, and he blew it out of the park.
eating sugar no papa In my opinion he’s surpassed Heath Ledgers Joker. But AGAIN, it’s not really fair to compare them because Heath was never given the freedom in the role in the same way. But if Joaquin Phoenix died tomorrow, he’d go down as the best joker, because people value your work more when you’re dead.
When he believed Thomas Wayne was his father, it reminded me of this scene in the dark knight, "You remind me of my father, and I hated my father!". It all made sense...but then...yeah...
Except TW could be his father. On the back of the photo of his mother that he balls up it said something like "you have a nice smile. T.W" So while the things about her being crazy and him being abused were true it could also be true that Tommy like to fuck crazy"
@@UmarFarooq-mp3iw kind of reminded me of 10 cloverfield lane. You spend the whole movie wondering if he is crazy or if there really are aliens taking over the planet...turns out both things can be true
The photo of Arthur's mom with TW signature could be pointing to Wayne lying about his relationship with her, but not about being Arthur's father. Both those things can be true.
When they tied Bruce into it, I got absolute chills. Seeing the Joker stalk this quiet kid standing alone, who we know will one day become the legendary Dark Knight, his nemesis, is just so amazing.
I kinda love how he technically even his name Arthur Fleck isn’t his real name , I mean because he’s adopted I just like to see it in a way that maybe even his real birth name isn’t given to us
How awesome would it be if this movie embraced and mixed all of joker’s origins rumoured stories into one? I mean he was abused as a kid which could lead to his father doing the why so serious, sophie could’ve been his wife or at least the imaginary one and somehow he would fall into chemicals to get that last look from the joker
Another thing about joker is the cruel irony. He latched the lock for the little guy specifically because he knew it would be funny that he couldn't reach the latch, its psychotic and that's why it's so good
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Arthur Fleck's biggest nemesis: automatic sliding doors.
Haha
Automatic sliding exit doors
Iol I literally jumped out of my seat when he walked right into it. I wasn't expecting that haha.
LOOOOL
hahahaha bro
I think the point of showing the Wayne’s getting shot was to show that the Joker and Batman were born on the same day.
nice one mate
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
As soon as it showed Bruce in the foreground with his parents on the ground representing Batman, joker woke up and that represented him becoming joker as well so I agree
Glowkite not just that, I also believe that it was for the overall theme. Arthur wasn’t a hero, what he was doing wasn’t in any way justified. Even if he did get some form of gratification in the end that shot of Bruce reminds us that because of his actions he gave birth to a force that would some day kick his ass. . . Over and over again.
Verbal April well said my friend
The scene with the guy who can’t reach the lock was the blackest comedy I’ve ever seen and I loved it.
Yes. I openly laughed at that. It was so joker I thought he had planned it to kill him too.
I know that was funny
I wanted to laugh at that part but then joker told the guy “you were the only one that was nice to me”. Killed me.
Plus that kiss on his head right after killing the other guy had me rolling lol
Cameron Jacobs low key I was laughing but then got really sad because he was the only one that was really nice to him
*clowns start rioting*
the wayne's: C I N E M A T I M E
That scene made me understand how rich people really doesn't care about what happening in society until the riot comes to them
U miss it
They were already in the cinema before the riot started, a protest was going on yes, but it was when joker shot Murray that the RIOT started with the street on fire
So when the waynes were done with their movie, they tried to escape the street so the alley was the best option.
Thomas was just trying to protect his family
Hope u get it now
@Ekechukwu Uzoma i mean there was already immense civil unrest not to mention when thomas wayne was in a theatre that protests broke out
I don’t know RUclips wanted a name for me loved that they saw zorro gay blade. About a man impersonating the real zorro. Another example of how we wear masks awesome
The scene where Arthur met Thomas face to face is just Arthur's imagination.
Blogers having not seen the movie: "JoKer CausEs ViolaNce"
me after seeing the movie: "we need to treat each other better"
The people dont want to take accounts ability for their actions especially some weirdo SJW behind a key board with a following like an online blogger.
It means they have to treat people better. They'd rather die
"blogers"
YESSSSS
Exactly
Just stupid people blaming movies and videogames for premeditated actions. No, the themes of the media you consume aren't an excuse for you to a garbage human being.
"In a world of oversaturated 'funny' comic book movies, the only serious one is about a clown."
Boom.
Daksh Massey Logan
Daaaaamnnn
Well there’s 2 of them
That’s the thing oI Joker is some one who thinks the world I hypocritical and the most hypocritical thing he did was going from someone dressing up as a clown to make people happy then dressing up as a clown and killing people to make society realize how hypocritical it truly is
if Joaquin doesn't win an oscar, all I will have are negative thoughts
If Joaquin doesn't win, we riot lol!
if Joaquin doesn't win an oscar, all I will have will be bruh moments
Javier Landaverde In clown masks?
Mcheetah it’s the sad truth I’m sure I saw something about Oscar voters saying joker shouldn’t win an academy award due to the violent themes
Javier Landaverde the oscars are bullshit anyways.
Small details I love about this movie:
- Arthur slowly gains more weight after his mother's in the hospital.
- Arthur wasn't exaggerating when he said people just yell and scream at each other because throughout the film with scenes in his apartment complex, you can hear muffled screams and yelling through the walls.
- You can spot Penny's letters to Thomas Wayne throughout the film like when Arthur was writing his material on the dining table.
- Penny didn't care about Arthur's 'date' and just asked him to send her letter before going to bed. Hinting at her narcissistic disorder.
- The purple lights were prominent backstage at Murray's show when Arthur was about to make his appearance.
- Penny's hair color changed from dark brown to ginger when Arthur found out he was adopted.
- That lady on the bus didn't give Arthur his card back. Even though she was supposed to as written on the card.
- Hoyt, Arthur's boss, is unironically the only person in the film who verbally mentioned he knew Arthur wanted to be a comedian. Arthur's social worker and mother didn't know even though he told them so.
- You can actually see Arthur get apprehended by police in the shot where they showed multiple news channels. At the last moment beside the first screen we saw, Arthur finishes his line and gives a laugh before some men tackled him off the screen.
- There were eight shots fired in the subway before it clicked empty, so realism?
- In Arthur's journal entry about hoping his death would make more 'cents' than his life, Arthur describes him coming across a dead body of a homeless man with paramedics around as people walked past and over, and he writes about how baffled he was to see it before wondering if that was how the homeless man wanted to die. So the line "If it was me dead on the sidewalk, you'd walk right over me" has more weight than just hyperbole.
- Arthur's last meeting with his social worker had him say he heard a song on the radio recently about a man singing how his name was the same as Arthur's clown name. In the scene before this at his workplace, that song played on the radio and throughout the scene as Arthur made his grand exit from his workplace.
- In the end when he was on top of the car, the street they were on was the same street Arthur was chasing the kids. They ended where they began.
I spent ludicrous amounts of money to see this film on theatres and just noticed these things. I am now broke. It's still a fantastic film.
Awesome list. Another nice one, the Joker's suit and make up is inspired by Murray's array of curtains. Red on the outside, yellowish beige, then white for the makeup and lastly blue for the eyes.
I thought he actually shot 9 times, but maybe it was 8, after all that would make much more sense
Kudos to you for noticing all of those things! I really love when movies include details that they really didn't need to but do anyway. It goes to show how much thought was put into it.
I got one for you. When he's on the date and we see him and Zazzies character through the window we see "Donuts" in neon lights. Donuts spelled backwards is "Stunod" pron. Stoo-nod which if you look up the definition is "Stupid or crazy, out of touch with reality". Nice touch by Philips.
I hope you didn't actually go broke. Although Joker is a fantastic film.
I really liked how instead of Batman creating Joker, Joker created Batman.
Tyrone Riboet I was angry for little Bruce.......
I feel this movie where bruce parents died makes more sense
That's how it happened in Batman 89.
Tyrone Riboet I got goosebumps when little Bruce was just standing there, watching his parents dead (not in a weird way ofc) because just imagine if there's a follow up Batman movie, like goddamn, that would be awesome.
‘I made you, you made me first’
The same way Arthur imagined him being in a relationship with his neighbor reminds me of how his mom imagined herself being with Thomas Wayne
Crisin Snow First time I’ve heard this take, couldn’t agree more though. Shitty parents make shitty children
So he was hers? AND the father is TW?😳
Damn that’s a pretty good connection
Crazy connection
@@kev1257ful Adopted children too
My favourite haunting scene is on the train when he first starts laughing and you can see the fear and anxiety in his eyes when he catches the 3 guys attention but he cant stop laughing. Hes shaking his head, laughing uncontrollably but at the same he looks terrified. He looks like he wants to cry because of the situation his illness is getting him into. Its acting at its peak.
I liked that train scene too but I thought it could be done better like to be more raw and gruesome....but, I understand why they did it, because the bullet to Murray's head needs to be RAW and Realistic. And it fucking was. My jaw was dropped the whole time. It's like hey look at our boy, we clapped for him as he suited up ready to go into the Show we are proud of him, now look at him he killed Murray shot him no remorse into the head... then my jaw dropped again at the car scene surrounded by mobs. Amazing movie.
You could see the FEAR in his eyes its Fkg EPIC
Dude for fucking real. Still beyond impressed by his acting
Dude you’re so epic
But he also had complete control when he laughed out of the clown room and then stopped on a dime. Was his condition fabricated? All part of his costume? We may never know.
The more "Joker" Arthur got, the lesser he laughed unintentionally... just one of my observations.
Marshall Frost yeah and in the commentary version they say that Arthur is right handed and the joker is left handed that’s why sometimes you see him write with his right hand and other times with his left, he also shot Murray with his left hand, I thought that was pretty cool
He started unintentionally laughing less and less ... but began to truly laugh more and more 😈
Shows how he’s getting more control of his life
@@johnpalcon7570 By becoming more insane. The irony.
Fuck ur profile pic
The scene in the children’s hospital when the gun falls out his pocket was wild
For as morbid as that scene is thematically, with the fact that there is a firearm withing lethal distance of children, the way he picked it up and the shushing motion he made were kinda fucking funny.
I laughed so hard in thst scene idk why.. i guess dark humor just get me easily.
I burst out during this scene after the gun slipped. I immediately felt awkward as people sitting beside me didnt find it funny.
@Rhys Wong oh shit! That is why i felt uncomfortable.
@Rhys Wong well people in my hall didnt "get the joke"
“Arthur Fleck died with his mom” is both the most beautiful and most disturbing sentence ever, and yet it’s so true. Love this statement lmao
...and his death made more sense than his life.
@@grproteus Cents*
We need Andrew yang. One joker is enough.
Have you never heard another sentence in the English language until that moment ?
I didn't see him die when he strangled his mother... I saw him die when he killed the talkshow host.
That was he Author died, that was when he commited suicide.
He was still there when he killed his college, it was Author that let the little guy get out, but after that his persona, his illness won the battle, and he killed himself with the bullet that entered head of the talkshow host, from that on, Author was never on screen again.
"I never heard him cry, he was always such a happy little boy"
I get it now.
I still don't get it.
Bree De'Leon It’s because Arthur was always laughing instead of crying
Bree De'Leon it’s because Arthur lets his suffering out through laughing instead of crying. So no matter how he feels, he expresses his emotion through laughter
@@kianhughes6309 ooooooooooooh ok thank you.
@@wbhurt01 omfg, I get it... Dammit, I'm not crying. You're crying!
"no one cared who i was until i put on the mask"
^This line makes the most sense in Joker
"Give a man a mask and he'll become his true self"
@@margarethmichelina5146 my local theater had a sign up; they weren't allowing masks or full clown makeup. I'm okay with people not being themselves so much in public places.
Max Covfefe so allow the society to dictate how someone lives? Careful the worlds full of clowns. Dont wanna start a movement . HAHAHA
@@acehole4514 Nah, live however you want in your house, on your property. I think it's ok to forego masks in pubic. It's fine.
@Here to comment/watch weird stuff Really? You don't understand the metaphor? The persona of Joker is his "mask". On top of that, he has the make-up and everything.
Every scene he runs.. well, he runs like a person with clown shoes. Even when he's not wearing clown shoes. I loved that detail.
Alexual
Also, I've worked with people with mental illness. This is how they run. Joaquin actually studied mental patients and how they act believe it or not
@@mahspce why do they run like that?
@@mahspce that is the dumbest fucking sentence ive ever read...and not what he did....also mental illness covers alot of fuckin things annnnnd i dont run like a dude in clown shoes...
@@mahspce thats such a fucking bullshit statement lol there are so many mental illnesses I doubt every person with a mental illness runs like that lol
DUKE NUKEM stfu
I feel the “joke” at the end was the fact that his acts left Bruce orphaned after Thomas Wayne had previously taunted him about his adoption..
"I can't be your son because I'm an orphan? Well, now *your son* is an orphan! Take that!"
That was pretty obvious right? I mean they literally cut to the iconic scene if Bruce over his parents bodies just before Arthur mentions the "joke".
Christian Tompkins he wasnt her dr. She was an employee of his. And the picture of her with thomas waynes initials complimenting her smile suggests he found her attractive because he signed and gave it to her personally. Plus why does arthur have the same dissociative personality disorder as his adopted mother? Seems like it’s genetically passed down from mother to son. Even the resemblance between wayne and arthur in the bathroom is visable. To me the certificate of adoption seems fabricated after introducing the picture of his mom being complemented by wayne. So in the end thomas waynes actions are the catalyst for both the joker and batman
NairVision
I thought the joke was “Why so serious?” Because it makes sense. Bruce Wayne was so upset over his parents dead bodies. The joker thinks death is funny.
I'm an orphan??? Now you're the orphan 🤣🤣🤣
The imagery of him using his blood to make the smile on his face while he stands on the hood of the crashed cop car in front of rioters taking his side while the city is burning was absolute pure supervillain imagery. And I loved it.
I thought if he did that before after killing his former colleague. His lipstick has a crimson tinge to it.
Preston Garvey one of the single greatest joker moments to ever appear on screen. Any screen.
It’s definitely the scene that I can’t stop thinking about. It’s beautiful, but I can’t decide how I feel about it. Part of me looks at it as this misguided mob glorifying a sick murderer, and I’m disgusted by it. Another part of me recognizes that people always have the capacity to do terrible things with the proper push, and that scene shows it perfectly.
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pure genius...10 out off 10
“If it was me who was dead, you would’ve walked right over me”
Dam, sad but true. Acting at its peak
ElfHostage Well since he was talking about in that situation before he became a psycho murderer, with all due respect you’re a little crazy for saying that
It’s a sad truth. How many times do you see something on the news or homeless ppl and you are just like “ oh, that’s sad” and go on with your life.
The way he also says that line is so well done
Blue_ Flame that whole scene was brilliantly done. This was probably the best casting choice ever for the Joker outside of Ledger
Random Channel I don’t care
I loved the Wayne killing. It was the First Time that the murder wasnt just some random killing. It actually made cents
I see what you did there :)
Cents ;)
Purdbull I very much agree however I wish it was alluded to rather than shown to us
It doesn’t make sense that Thomas Wayne is out in a theatre while he’s a Target in Gotham
Daniel Ochoa woosh
The talk show scene was just a masterclass in tension building.
I'm still fucked up from that scene after a day, same feeling I had when I watched Under the Skin with it's the beach scene. It's not how Joker killed Murray, it was that feeling of realness. That shot afterwards when Joker's legs are just bouncing from adrenaline and Murray is dead next to him, it was just how eerily real is looked, like I was on set seeing it all happen. Movie has people talking, and I think that's what a movie is supposed to do so I'd give props to Todd Phillips if I could for making a film I'll remember for a long time.
Even when there wasn't any music, I tapped along to the beat of the conversation. Then, when the music had started, I thought I was insane because the music went to the very same beat I was tapping
@@garygotgameclips Fax. Pheonix better win a fucking Oscar.
I was nervous for pretty much half the movie
It felt like I was actually watching a real life talk show where someone was actually killed.
"I'm waiting for a punchline"
"There is no punchline"
Peter Ping “you want to tell me your joke?”
“Heh heh- you won’t get it.”
Of course theres no punchline. It isnt a Marvel Movie.
wanna know what you get?
@@lilman1156ify what you fucking deserve!!!
Joker killing him was the punchline
Had a weird feeling about the girlfriend. Ain’t no man about to become the joker if he’s really clapping those cheeks.
she hot af
I knew she was a figment of his imagination cuz I agree with you 1000% you would stay sane to keep hitting that
@@gabbyhoyte525 I know right!!! some weirdo is stalking you.. you confront him about it and he say yes and all of a sudden y'all go together I knew right then he was imagining all that crap from that scene😂🤣😂🤣
Lol lol lmao
Shit had me laughing all day
@@gabbyhoyte525 My mind gave it the romcom excuse & just moved on!
I loved the way the he ran, it was like he always had clown shoes on.....
Yes! Thank you! Loved the way he ran
And the Dance he did after he killed Murray. Nerdgasm 💦
RUNNING FOR HIS LIFE
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.
Xavier Gutierrez extremely chaplin
Marvel: “Endgame made billions.”
DC: “It’s not about the money, it’s about sending a message.”
Dooky how about, you’re both right.
Quality > Money....
Endgame: Money > Quality
Joker: Quality > Money... will probably make loads anyway so win win for joker.
@Dooky Nah endgame was generic and Overhyped. I feel like the whole Thanos thing was dragged On... script was meh
@Dooky the first time i watched endgame i loved it but the 2nd it was so boring but with joker i can watch it 100 times
When joker killed the guy in his house and told the little guy he could leave then jumps and scares him as he walks past. 😂😂😂😂😂. so joker.
Bro the fact that he couldn’t reach for the lock and has to ask Arthur to undo it literally made me burst out in laughter
That was bravoosi tyrion!!
@Bif Webster dude! my buddy and I did that. For some strange reason we just keep on laughing after the movie was over.
Kaydengames that shiiit had me dead lol no one else laughed
HipHop Fate THAT WAS HILARIOUS AND SCARY AF😂😂
I'd feel it dismissive if we didn't recognize the greatness of the score/music of this movie. Hilder Guonadottir. That deep, rumbling cello brings the movie such a dark vibration that simply latches on to Aurthur Fleck and exacerbates his illness, his isolation and ultimately his transformation. It resonates throughout the entire movie. Everything about this movie is brilliant.
Agreed. Just saw it and the music was incredible. It could set the tone as intense and unsure or playful and upbeat in the same scene. It shifted regularly and was just so perfectly orchestrated for the scenes they were played over.
They piped in the score for certain scenes, including the opening where Walk-een Phoenix cried
Agreed, especially the Bathroom Dance scene
I actually liked that they connected the Waynes' deaths with the civil unrest. It concretely connects the city to Batman. He isn't a sad kid looking for something to do because his parents died, he wants to restore the city that stole them from him.
yup, and now their reason for going down that ally actually makes sense
Yeah they also kinda flipped it, In the comics Batman Indirectly created the Joker in the Movie the Joker indirectly created Batman.
SUPERIOR SHAGARI
It always did
alfa01spotivo not to me, i was always wondering why they were dumb enough to go down that ally
SUPERIOR SHAGARI
It wasn't called crime alley until after they were shot
The “I forgot to punch out” scene was one of my faves
I know right
Mine as well ..loved it ..lol
And people say Arthur is a bad comedian when that was gold lol
your avi is one of my faves 😍
My life doesn’t make CENTS 😔
"When you hand me my Oscar, can you introduce me as JOKER?"
@Mr420Spy Agreed...👍
seen that a couple times, never get tired of it.
Fuck yeah with full make up and suit
With the current climate, I doubt he'll even get nominated. Which is criminal
O_o
I was like "come on , at least Arthur has a girlfriend"
Plot twist happens
"...nevermind..."
I was like "WTF worst incel movie ever! He fucks!... O... O no..."
Joker's only girl is and always be Harley lol that's what ive Iearned
@Something New 😂😂😂 hilarious when u think about it
@@DeeWunnHybrid I can now imagine Joker abusing Harley simply cause he thinks she's another hallucination. "Fool me once shame on me Fool me twice Imma beat the shit out of my imaginary lover".
The only part I didn't buy of the movie was him opening the unlocked door of her apartment. If you live in the ghetto, you have 5 locks on your doors.
“Hey Arthur, could you get the door?”
That dude must be shit in his pant
Arthur said “you always been good to me, thanks” game him a kiss... wow! it wasn’t funny to me, everyone was chuckling.. I thought he also had it coming... pew.
First time in a long time I’ve been in a theater we’re literally everybody laughed
That shit was funny as hell, I actually didn’t think he was gonna let him leave but he said “you were the only one that was good to me” 😂
@@MadCisco I knew he wouldnt kill him.. he knew the pain the guy felt..
The moment when the midget was terrified after Arthur stabbed the fat guy to death and as the midget tried walking out and Arthur scares him by screaming at him was the best moment to show what the joker is all about.
Truuuue
I also loved how he opened the door for him. He opened it so slowly and with such tension. The potential of him slamming it shut as a sick joke had me on the edge of my seat
Anon Ymous at first he opens it a crack and then he shuts it and kisses is head and I was like oh fuck he’s gonna kill him but then he opened it again... the scene had so much tension
The little hug and kiss he gave him almost made me cry though. He was always nice to Arthur, and because of that Arthur couldn't hurt him. It was like he was giving all the love he had left in him to his little person friend.
Anon Ymous that scene had me laughing yet tense at the same time. I was really thinking he was going to slam the door on his head on the way out then I let out a nervous chuckle after he let him go
I remember watching the movie and thinking “why would she just show up at his door and flirt? She doesn’t even know him or have any reason to want to know him.” The twist was a great moment
But kinda make me think did arthur really follow her or is that also only in his mind
Same here, I was surprised Arthur was bold enough when he went for the kiss down the hall (I was thinking about her poor kid having to listen to that lol), which made the twist even better. That also made his kiss on the Murray Show EVEN better because he finally had that boldness to do so, to live in that moment, as The Joker. Spectacular stuff.
He's cute and an easy lay
I knew it wasn’t real as soon as she said Arthur cos he hadn’t introduced himself.
Normally, that would have clued me in to the fact that it wasn't real except that Hollywood doesn't do a very good job of realistically portraying relationships in the first place. Characters often get thrown together even though they don't have any real chemistry. Men will often do sappy needy things and women will unrealistically think it's "cute." I remember a friend of mine was watching the Bond film Casino Royale specifically to see how Bond seduces a woman and he says one line and then it immediately cuts to them having sex. Obviously, some of it is pacing, but I believe that generally most people don't really understand enough about attraction to write a convincing romance. We don't really teach how attraction really works because the idea of a man taking action to seduce a woman has a stigma against it because it makes women feel uncomfortable to give men any sort of power over sex and feminist society assumes that seduction is just men lying to women to "trick" them into sex.
The part where he's in the cop car made me smile because I felt like it was a nod at Heath ledgers similar scene
right?!! i loved it when he stood up on the police car and embraced the rioters as his own
@@adad87821 me too. And when he used the blood in his mouth to put the smile back on omg so good
It wasn't but it was still a great scene.
I thought the clown mask design was a nod to Heath's clown mask from the bank heist
He fought his laugh in the beginning of the movie. He embraced it in the end.
Last time I was this early Thomas Wayne was still alive.
Dhandip Brahmbhatt o.o
Last time I was this early they didn't need the Waynes to die in everything Batman related.
Ouch!!
bruh
Too soon? ...again?
I also liked the moment when Arthur tells the little man he won't kill him because he was always nice to him. Shows that there ist still a little bit humanity left in arthur at this point.
Also no one wants to see a dwarf killed on screen lol
You spelled midget wrong
@@franzcaseros1112 edgy
That was probably the last act of humanity Arthur will do.
That scene also kinda suggests Arthur didn't leave Sophie alive. His best friend didn't recognize him, probably told him he had to go. He might've tried to kiss her or whatever... I sense maybe a cut scene to keep Joker as sympathetic as possible until after the end. Since Gary was "the only one" who was ever nice to Joker, it left me concerned for Sophie's well-being.
The script and the acting deserves an Oscar. This movie goes deep to show eyes the world through the eyes of a criminally insane.
Cholofelo Malunga true
I still can't believe it's got a 59% from critics every one of them should be fired for blatant bias.
@@TrueNorthProductions they dont like the truth. The movie just emphasises day to day corruption/inequality and critics wanna deny it.
Icyyy_aaron weew was a
@@TrueNorthProductions 69%, but still. I agree
That scene where he's looking out the police car window had some serious Dark Knight vibes
Wonder if it’s a nod.
You already know they're paying homage to heath ledger bruh
Isn't it beautiful?
I believe it was an homage
“Who would do something that cold- blooded? Someone who hides behind a mask”
Oh Mr Wayne you have no idea what’s coming.
He should see his other self in flash point
Lol a common misconception of people who see people who are bad is they don’t know even know the person and they still judge them
nr99 you get what you deserve
Antifa?
Because thats his kid. The mom is nuts just like Joker.
Batman is nuts and wears a mask just like Joker.
My biggest shock moment is when you realize he didn’t have a “girlfriend” and it was all in his mind. That’s when you know he was freaking crazy
I know, my jaw hit the fucking floor. That was amazing!
I saw it coming from a mile away but i freaking loved how they did it
Maybe this is just me, but... it was kinda obvious...? The only scenes where she really are in them are in the elevator, when Arthur follows her and when he breaks into her apartment. Don’t get how people didn’t realize she wasn’t in those other scenes. Their relationship went too well, the dialogue was too good for Arthur, Sophie constantly smiled at him despite him following her and being creepy as hell, and the color palette of the films had subtle cues when it would go from reality to imagination
Really? It was so obvious from the beginning. They never developed any sort of relationship besides them smiling at each other
Aris Kapelanos it was pretty obvious tbh. The movie was so well done and fleshed our, I couldn’t believe there was a character they just casually glazed over
Arthur: Wanna hear another joke Murray
Murray: Sure gimme your best shot
He got what he fucking deserved.
Always remember, that’s life
“Very poor choice of words”
*POW*
Thank god he didn’t kill the little person. When he kissed his forehead it was so sweet. “You’re the only one who was nice to me” :,)
Yeah. That was a really great scene. (It also feels very jokery with the whole "intense murder followed by a joke" thing.)
That's the penguin. Probably.
One of maybe 2 or 3 scenes where my theater was genuinely laughing hysterically. Out of comedy or raw fear, it was hard to gauge.
It's the movie adaptation of "Don't come to school tomorrow" and it was done fantastically.
@@GiulianoM14 damn 👍🏻
Once he’s off his meds, he starts having the hallucinations of the relationship and the Joker persona starts to come to life.
SkiJumpp could it be he imagined everything after he got off his meds?
Gadiel Diez kinda wondering about that too
Seems like he was so broken from the start (we don’t realize until later how early it starts) and was so desperate for companionship/acceptance that he created a faux relationship in his own head.
I feel like this happens after just one person (other than his mother and shitty co-workers) talks to him, which would be the black woman he meets in the elevator. I had a strange feeling about it all after he starts walking to his apartment, turns around to stop her, and says
“hey!”
and does the fake “blowing your brains out” hand gesture back to her....and the timing of it was so awkward and strange, like he was too socially-retarded to actually respond to her in the elevator. Freaky.
Agreed now I can only imagine that he lead Harley Quinn into her insanity because of his condition there’s so many questions opened up with this movie I need more Phoenix or this character or joker portrayer’s
I remember thinking it was all ridiculous. Her laughing at the gun gesture. Her asking if he was following her and then proceeding to ask him out. Them immediately making out. At first I thought: This is such a poorly written and unrealistic relationship. Even for Hollywood. Then the twist happened and I was like: “Oooh... brilliant!” Honestly that and the shooting scene at the end really made the movie for me.
"ARTHUR FLECK DIED WITH HIS MOM " well said.
And Bruce Wayne died when his parents died in the alley. That is why Joker and Batman are so perfect against each other. You either come out one way or another way after a tragedy.
He 100% did, and after that the movie went crazy good!
The reason I love this movie is because of:
- It provides an incredibly unique backstory for the joker, nothing like Arthur Fleck was ever done before(at least that I know of).
- It makes you sympathize with the Joker, which to some people is bad, but any bad guy characters that I can relate to are automatically complex,which is an immediate sign of a good written character.
- It tackles a LOT of issues, like social divide and mental health, which makes it a discussion, and its made all the better by the fact that we see the movie from Arthur's perspective,and how, and I quote," Nobody thinks what it's like to be the other guy." The movie is both biased AND unbiased at the exact same time.
- It has the media in an uproar. Why, you might ask? Because the movie makes the media see just how bad they are. It makes certain rich people see that they look down on the poor, it makes talk certain show hosts see how they make fun of people at their expense, and these are just two examples. I will make no attempt to say I am unbiased, hell, I am RIDICULESLY biased toward hating certain,and this is just my opinion, STUPID figures In the media. The media hates this movie because they want to live in a lie where they are the good guy, And let me make myself clear, that thinking you are the good guy is just dumb. None of us are the good guy, and none of us are the bad guy,
And this movie is Awesome.
I'm sorry that the last point turned into a rant but I just had to.
Thank you for reading,
And PLEASE, give me a counterargument, i want a conversation, alright? Alright.
I really hope that this isn't lost in the comment section.
I love that they did, "The Killing Joke" comic book justice. Anyone shocked that the Joker is a violent villain clearly doesn't know the character. Joker is THE baddest of the bad and always has been. His origin simply reveals the time just before his transformation into the Joker. I Loved this movie.
It takes a lot from both Taxi Driver and King of Comedy....Both great films.
I agree with everything you said
Great comment, boy I'm glad I scrolled down far enough to come across it.
@@blaster915 Holy fucking shit lmao
This was so long ago, I was a wee little boy when I typed this out, the grammatical errors are ridiculous.
Thank you though, that was a hell of a trip down memory lane, it's been a really long time since I watched Joker anyways lol
*Gotham literally in flames and drowned in crime*
The Waynes: Aight imma head out
Thanks for the chuckle. ;)
😂
This scene reminded me of when Alfred tells Bruce in the Dark Knight that some people just live to see the world burn. His eyes filling with joy just illustrated that line to me.
Without any security and bodyguards
I'm sure the riots started while he was in the theater
Joker is the most effective anti-bullying ad
Oh yes nice profile picture your doing me a fascinate
"You were the only one who was nice to me"
If I’m not nice to people they’re gonna fuckin murder me?
@@DFGjfgnkfjlngdjngkjb If you're not nice to ANYONE they could murder you.
If someone is mean to you you could get angry and kill them.
Just hoping that the biggest deterrent to not being a dick is the fear of being killef
It's so ironic that the movie literally depicts what it would take to drive someone to commit a mass shooting and the media completely ignored that and say the movie is going to cause violence. The system itself is broken and that it was will cause violence, this movie showed that perfectly and now they dont want you to see it.
Literally, I've been thinking all this time since the shooting related with the movie thing started that the problem is not that the movie will cause a shooting but that a movie could be capable of doing that. Like, how fucked can a society be in order to only need a movie to do those types of things.
That's because leftist media doesn't actually care about the problem, they just want to virtue signal. Oh, and the Joker supporters are depicting Antifa, which offends the Left (and exposes their lunacy). So of course they want to steer people away from seeing the truth.
"virtue signal" "leftist media"
any more snore words to add?
@@SmoothJK imma be honest I dont follow politics too much so I dont know much about the left and the right, but what I will say, is they both want us to live in fear. They use stuff like this as a distraction from the real issues that take place. Both sides are corrupt and the only thing that will change that is unity amongst people
@@formula2233 If you keep rolling your eyes whenever you see a word you don't know, you're never gonna learn anything man.
I think the fact he didn’t kill the midget shows us he didn’t kill his fake girlfriend. She was nice to him too.
mikey4483 yeah and in the original script when he’s walking down the hallway with full joker makeup after he let the midget go, he was going to leave a letter to her that said “watch the Murray show tonight” and give her the magic wand flowers, you can see him with the flowers in the trailer
Just a Guy thanks, didn’t know that.
Nah man the ambulance is meant to indicate that she died and so did her kid.
@@jamainegardner4193 no, it's absolutely not. Idk what ambulance you're even talking about but that's not true. He didn't harm her or the boy.
Reading the script, the interview with Murray Franklin was gonna be shown from Sophie's perspective too
The scene at apartment when she ask "Your name is Arthur right?" give me freakin' chills.
Mike Echo I said out loud, “Oh my god that’s perfect!”
Daryl Gilmore You really realise their relationship was all in his mind.
Daryl Gilmore Because before that moment I was so confused with their relationship and thought the whole idea was dumb (him killing the guys then walking through her apartment and smashing right after) until that moment which made everything make sense
I found it to be quite telegraphed. Especially when he's roasted on Deniro's show.
Alan Massey maybe for you, but I don’t really see how it was telegraphed seeing as though they were pretty sparring with her character
I would argue that Zazie Beatz's Sophie character was important. Sure, she was a little hallow, but she was a manifestation of Arthur's desire to have some sort of normal relationship.
Ni ck exactly
Totally agree with you, her character was important even if not fully developed.
I feel like her being hollow was the point. It's all in his head and she just serves to prop him up like he wants.
It was another event that added to the shit storm he was having
@Michael Anderson I'm not sure when I thought it but I did peep that she may not be how he thinks of her and when it was revealed to be so it was such a sad but satisfying moment.
For how many times we saw Bruce's parents getting killed, this version was the most realisic one. This was the version where I said "Yeah, I can understand that"
Can you explain? I don't see how it's anymore realistic than any other version?
Tex Corps because Thomas Wayne had called mentally ill people clowns and neglected them so it makes more sense than being shot for pearls espically when they weren’t resisting
Tex Corps in my country, a prime minister was shot down because he had opinions that some of the public didn’t agree with. A man , more extreme , took a gun and shot him dead because of that so that scene reminded me what happened. Thomas Wayne was gunned down in this movie because some of the public didn’t agree with what he said
People get shot randomly all the time
Danny Hernandez don't forget the shooter was inspired by Joker killing Murray, making him say the same thing.
If you didn't feel any sort of tension throughout the whole movie, something's wrong with you.
i know i did
@@adad87821 cool
I did and LOVED IT
Identity Withheld a lot of the internet apparently felt sexual tension towards the joker
“You brought me here to make fun of me”
Man the look in his eyes, in that 20-30 second rant. "You're awful Murray". Holy shit he fucking nailed it.
When he pulled out the gun and shot him i was just sitting there with my mouth open like this😦
Steven Landsman scary hours
@@omniman332 I literally looked at the total stranger beside me, both our jaws on the floor, and was like "HOLY SHIT DUDE".
Ciel hahaha yes i was in shock bro. The whole theatre went dead silent
Not enough people are talking about the PHENOMENAL soundtrack
Its amazing
Yeah, Gives some new feelings to old songs, namely Rock n roll part 2
It's got The Last of Us feel to it too
Ye
First comment i made after i saw it.
TOAOM123 I like the one where he was dancing down the stairs in his Joker outfit. Anyone know the soundtrack to that?
I loved this movie completely. The most underrated scene in my opinion, and the one that got under my skin the most, was when Arthur's boss said "If you don't return the sign, I'm taking it out of your paycheck" and Arthur had that glare/smile.That is the most sinister glare I've ever seen.
J. C. The sounds were from the next shot of Arthur beating the shit out of some trash bags in an alleyway. But yeah, I’m pretty sure that was the intention lol
a mixture of sadness, happiness and craziness portrayed in one sequence,, hauntingly beautiful
That look freaked the shit out of me. Joaquin really did a great job in this.
Yes! That was the ‘oh shit here we go’ moment
The look on Arthur's face when he said that was the single most terrifying look I have ever seen on another human being's face.
gotham: filled with rioters and protesters who hate thomas wayne
Thomas Wayne: it's a perfect time to take my family to the movies
marco maneja that was the point
One of the theme was the disconnect between the rich and the poor
The clown comes around the corner: Here we go again.
bro rich people don't know the problems of poor people and this is fact
The “I forgot to punch out” scene is gonna become a gif. Mark my words
And the dance scenes as well.
Gif or meme?
CitfosIla most likely a gif. I’d rather send the video of that to my boss with the caption ,”mood” rather than a still picture
The funniest scene was when he was doing the if you're happy and you know it dance.
The transition from happy cancer patient kids and nurses look at him in shock as the gun awkwardly falls out of his pocket is hilarious. He has this horrified look of shock and tries to play it off as a joke.
Devin McQueen make it into one
Loved the cop car scene at the end. Felt like a good homage to Ledger’s Joker.
That's what I thought!!
It kinda was right?
Woodrow Simmons exactly what I thought!!
I just said this, didn't see your post but yes, I totally agree
F
It does FINALLY give a reason as to why the hell the Waynes went down the dark and dangerous alley! The streets were on fire
@godzillarex888 if the riot wasn't happening when they got there?
In Batman Begins, they walked to the alley because Bruce was traumatized after see Zoro play about bats and they went to the other exit door which was the alley.
In Tim Burton's Batman they went to alley for shortcut, I think the same as Gotham Tv Shows
I know, right?
godzillarex888 the riots didn’t go out of hand before then. It all went to shit after Joker shot Murray.
godzillarex888 shit didn’t truly hit the fan until after he killed Murray. Wayne’s stepped out of theater to a riot that already started hours before.
Watching Arthur break down on the neighbor’s couch after his “Bad day” was heartbreaking. But finding out he was a stranger to her shattered me. Joker’s script is incredible, so many great twists!
Nick Bode exactly, it’s not just Taxi driver or King of comedy re wrote, it does something unique with that genre! If this was gonna be good yet generic, Arthur’s mom or Arthur’s girlfriend would’ve died making him snap like I expected. Instead it subverted expectations, he snaps causing to only imagine his girlfriend the whole time and kills his mom himself cause she wasn’t the “innocent naive ill loving mom that’s the only thing in his life that’s important” stereotype. It’s way darker and more clever than one thought
Moral taken: Be nice to everyone, especially people who might scare you.
And raise your kids right
Exactly
Especially ugly virgins, also known as incels.
And help people with mental problems
Why would be mean to people in the first place?
"You never listen to me."
"Bad news, our funding was cut."
Seems appropriate
Confirmed that Gotham is located in America
Paul Garcia - isn’t it a stand-in for New York?
Mouse Trap Gotham is a city within New York. Gotham is a city, not a state.
If you meant New York City, then also no, because New York City is also mentioned in the comics.
@@mousetrap773 So comic book wise, nah it's just kind of a generic urban American city. In the Nolan franchise, Gotham was basically Chicago with some sets in other Rust belt cities. This movie was definitely more NYC style Gotham tho
@j4s2v1 The nickname part is correct, however it's been inspired by several other cities aside from NYC.
I loved this movie so much. No cgi, just a old fashioned character driven movie. We desperately need more of those
@dimitri alexander the movie was shot in new york and some areas were closed for filming
The majority of the blood was CGI
Fabian Lopez lmao look up the directors breakdown of the film. Tons of cgi just not over used
@@levialgol8886 yeah exactly they used it at the right times only when it was necessary
There is a lot of cgi used in the film. Watch the video where the director breaks down the opening scene.
The blood smile was just pure art
His line "If that were me dead on the side on the road, no one would care." That was the one punch that hit me out of nowhere.
Somewhat of a rehash of Ledger's comparison of a gangbanger or soldier dying compared to a school shooting. Don't get me wrong, the line's still great. Just not what I'd call original or surprising.
@@H34rtofFire not really. Not really at all. Because in here he's talking about class. About how in Gotham people at the bottom die all the time. But the media only cared about the deaths and investigated it when the victims were high class rich boys from Wall Street.
@@rafaelneumann8365 that's exactly the same thing that Ledger was talking about.
@@alanmassey1138 ledger's Joker was talking about soldiers and how they are ignored because they are far away and aludes to his real background as a soldier.
This is about class.
Not the same.
@@rafaelneumann8365 You're ignoring the mention of gangbangers. His actual point was about how people ignore the deaths of soldiers, gangbangers and the like because that's "expected". Has absolutely nothing to do with them being far away, nor his own possible past. As he himself says, them dying is "all part of the plan". It's a part of life that society's grown to expect and accept. While he doesn't explicitly mention it, the same would naturally apply to more class-based roles. Bums on the side of the road, orphans, etc.
Point is, the idea behind the two phrases may not be identical, but are certainly very similar. To ignore that would be playing on semantics, and nothing more. One being more tied to class doesn't magically make it some transcendent philosophical statement when compared to the other. Besides all that, Arthur claims to not give two shits about any of that, anyway, so take that for what you will.
When I saw Martha wearing the pearls my first thought was "oh she's so gonna die right now"
Same happens to me when i saw it was el zorro
WHY DID YOU SAY HER NAME?!?!
@@666deadtheironbeast same
For me it was when they turned into the alley.
Mine Was I Saw The Zorro Movie Banner
"I've got nothing left to lose. nothing can hurt me anymore." edit: and then you realized, he never had anything in the first place...
🔫🔫🔫🤡🤡
Dude cents*
Lambodriver217 that’s how it was written in the journal.
He actually taught he had something... That scene in the hospital staircases where he realises is whole life was a lie is fucking heart breaking man...
It got even worse when he realized he never had a girl. His life went from shit to diarrhea.
If this movie had come out in the 80's I would so take up smoking.
Jason Hills as a smoker myself, this movie is hard to watch without smoking a few ciggs while watching it lol.
Smoking legit causes cancer
@@tman4534 lol ok take a few years off ur life because of a movie. Smh
The nerd in me wants this to have a sequel and tie in somehow.
The artist in me doesn't.
DC is at home like we can't outdo ourselves this is it lol
Everything is gonna suck after
It's probably impossible, but a tie-in into the Nolan movies.
I think they should try. It CAN be done. A good sequel, of a young Batman facing this Joker. It would be hard, and they would need to keep the ultrarealistic ultraserious tone. It would be a Batman like no other. If it fails, well, we still have this movie. If it succeeds, it would be EPIC.
I don't want a sequel, because to tie him into a Batman film means it would have to be R rated, and Batman would have to be written out and developed like Joker. You can't shoe horn this version into a PG 13 film.
I laughed when, he “punched” out on his last day of work. Good joke.
Poopnoodle36 great part of the movie lol
I actually missed this scene because I went to the bathroom :_)
@@nadirbaitsaleem7270 I will never understand how people go to the bathroom during movies, unless you are sick or have a condition... Like at what part of a movie do you go yeah I don't need to see this...
Marius Møller you’re usually in the theatre for about 3 hours total for a movie, you really think you have to be sick or have a medical condition if you need to go pee at some point during that timeframe? Maybe you’re just dehydrated.
@@DingusDangus42069 mabye you are overhydradet, I've haven't left a movie to take a piss since I was a child
In my theater, during the scene where Joker kills the big guy. The moment that the small guy left the room, you could hear the ENTIRE audience have a sigh of relief.
Its another one of the movies really good scenes, where it balances tension with a little dark humour really well. You’d think Arthur would kill him too but he’s just ‘nah man we cool you can leave’
People were laughing at my theatre and I got VERY scared...
Scott Free it’s funny because he’s small and had to ask for help. That’s it. Him our is subjective. Stop being a pussy
@@louminouz loved the part when he let him leave and said you can go you were the only one who was ever nice to me
Gh Ys thanks man
I don't want this film to be franchised. It's just a great 'one and done.'
Soooo joker 2 is happening
I think one with Batman would be good. As a second film yet also it's own film. With hints of joker in it.
“My mom died, I’m celebrating “
Genius
I think it was a metaphor for him finally having managed to sever his mother's smothering control over him.
@@lsipahelut OH REALLY?
Laurens Sipahelut oh fucking really, golly gosh I didn’t know that.
idiot man and Zayde
Why are you being dicks for no reason?
@@multiplemysteries5242 Fr, did they not take anything from the movie? 😂
I really liked the subway scene when Arthur was laughing as the guy approached him and you can see the look of terror on Arthur's face despite the laughter and you feel for him as someone who cannot express the feelings of fear and anxiety in a way others would understand. Joaquin did the disconnect between the laughter and his face beautifully, if mute the scene you'll realize that he was screaming not laughing.
YES!! that was my favourite scene as well and although I don't like violence but when Arthur killed those guys I wasn't mad at all!🤷🏻♀️
Damn.
That was the scene that really stood out to me. It was so unsettling.
Also when he smiles the way he did when his boss at work is giving him shit for the sign board. He's smiling but he's very angry and can't express it to his boss. That was sublime performance!
@@hodhod9919 I like how all of Arthur's kills are presented as disturbing, tense and fucked up. Even when he's killing shitty people who probably deserve their fates, it still doesn't feel 'good' when Joker kills them.
Did you notice how when Bruce's parents died and Bruce was looking over them, the joker woke up from the comma caused by the ambulance. It's kinda symbolic that Bruce and Arther were reborn at the same time- like they arelinked somehow.
Probably one of the reasons why he can relate to joker at some degree (the killing joke) is because they are both victims of society and bruce sees this.
Wow that’s a great catch 👌 I love that.
They are linked I almost wanna see a joker 2 with Batman but it would ruin the story they’ve down if not down men well
Heath said... Me and you aren't all that different ya know.
Now we know why
Caden _t_k the timeline kinda throws it off but I don’t think any actual Batman - Joker movie, even with this Joker, could be much different than Dark Knight. But the way these 2 are set up here, Joker would be like 60 by the time Bruce becomes Batman. It is a movie of course so I’m sure if the studios and Phoenix want that payday again, they’ll make it work somehow 😂
We got 3 Classics in the future in 2019:
The Lighthouse
Parasite
Joker
2019 was a damn good year for films.
And little woman
“I used to think my life was a tragedy. Now I realize it’s a comedy”. I had no idea just how dark this part would be when it’s said in the movie.
I laughed so hard even though it wasn't supposed to be funny 🤣
"Now I realise, it's a f****** comedy" the f word can be argued as being the most expressive word in the English language. By having Arthur say it helps show how much emotion he has behind his revelation.
@@venomsnake225 this is why I hate and love movies like these. i love the movies but i hate the stupid idiots who think they're geniuses because they can quote another person.
Bro I said this line to my mom BEFORE I had watched the film and AFTER she watched it, because I heard in the trailers, little did I know the context and then I knew why my Mom was shocked when I said that lmaaaao
@@aristonaragao3171 lmfao
This movie is a rare home-run. It's a character study first and foremost, it's a heartbreaking, it's raw and gritty. It's the descent into darkness. Even the colour palette is dank or the city is dirty, broken, just like Arthur. Brilliant
lillithdv8 This movie had ‘Taxi Driver’ vibes for me, the grittiness of it was perfect! Haven’t loved a movie like this in years 👌🏻
Agree. Every scene is either fluorescent, dirty, or has trash, and he’s always smoking. It makes you want to shower right after and a movie making me feel that so viscerally is amazing.
That's the way Got ham is always portrayed
lillithdv8 and it’s not like Batman vs Superman where everything is dark and bland trying to be edgy. This just feels real
Victor Vargas
I don’t think of ever walked out of a film emotionally fucked. Especially the scene where he kills those 3 guys. Even though they were dicks there deaths were so real and disturbing.
Beginning of the movie: Laughs because he has to
End of the movie: laughs because he wants to
The course of the movie is how he discovers the "funny side" of life.
Discovers the "funny side" of life through insanity
He finally embraces his insanity, because he never fit in or was accepted, and after all those people began mentioning him in the news and all rioters becoming inspired, I think he finally felt at home and loved....thanks to insanity and chaos.
Beautifully said
"now he sees the funny side. Now he's always smiling."
This movie is a masterpiece in every sense and detail
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@@mjstory1976 Yes
@@mjstory1976 Why you liked your own comment?
Agreed
This was honestly the first movie in a LONG time that made me feel physically uncomfortable. In a brilliant type of way.
Every death was a ohh shit moment
You should watch midsommar it’ll make you uncomfortable also in a good confusing way
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xlilyaax better yet Hereditary, made by the same guy... Both make you feel super uncomfortable but Hereditary is traumatizing
BikeLifezx10rT oh man I was glad he killed the talk show host, the dudes on the subway, but felt uncomfortable when he constantly laughed which is great!
This film made me laugh at scenes I shouldn’t have.
Just like how Arthur/Joker laughed at things he shouldn’t have.
I get him.
Maximum Carnage most underrated comment
Same here, my buddy and I were the only two who laugh at those scenes.
You're idiots. The reason i hate seeing movies in packed theaters cause you sensitive brats are afraid of being shocked so you mask seriousness by laughing. Please torrent and stay home.
Kliché Krazy I think the intention for some of them was to actually be uncomfortably funny. Like when he kills his coworker and lets the other go or when he drops the gun in the hospital.
I ain’t gonna lie I was laughing so much when he would keep laughing.
Watching The Dark Knight after finishing this movie is going to feel like a weird but perfect continuity.
@Triple-D26 yeah, the moment after he kills Murrrrray, the way Joaquin behaved was very much like Heath's take on the Joker. I never realized I wanted that moment, where he becomes Heath's Joker, so badly.
It's my headcanon that Heath Ledger's Joker is just a guy born after the clown riots who (after getting disfigured in Afganistan) dug up a lot of information on Arthur Fleck and thought: "yeah this guy had the right idea's."
My thoughts exactly. It could be in the DC universe they wanted to transition Phoenix’s Joker motivations to that of Heath’s joker. 1) After riots ended Phoenix escapes from Arkham Asylum to build his street power 2) Someone (Heath) kills Phoenix allowing someone else become the Joker. Both Batman and Joker are symbols now.
@@theappmaster3422 i like to think that joker made arthur up in the asylum since he has no origin story. you know, he even said he likes his past to be multiple choice. so i think he was laughing at the thought of how his made up story character, arthur, killed batmans parents. thats assuming joker was locked in the asylum the whole time after dark knight (or you can say he simply just got caught) when he got caught. this also means todd and Phoenix can go anywhere to continue this story, even adding him to robert pat's batman.
I swear to God, the shot where Arthur is in the back of the police car watching the riots, he looks almost exactly like Heath Ledger's Joker.
I think the Wayne’s death scene was to ground this movie back into the comic book genre. It was so dark and so real, I think it needed that to remind you it is an act of comic book fiction.
I think at the root of Arthur Fleck’s problem is he tried to pursue the wrong career. Should’ve been a dancer!
Duet with Third Raimi's Spiderman
And pennywise
Christopher Balster hahaha
You can dance if you want to.
Pheonix when he went through the curtain felt like magic. The whole sequence was magic. He is right up there with Ledger as the quintessential Joker.
Definitely. He IS the joker. However, you have to be fair to Ledger, who wasn’t given his own movie, but rather had to play an antagonist, and an already pre-established character. Phoenix was pretty much given carte blanche, and he blew it out of the park.
eating sugar no papa In my opinion he’s surpassed Heath Ledgers Joker.
But AGAIN, it’s not really fair to compare them because Heath was never given the freedom in the role in the same way. But if Joaquin Phoenix died tomorrow, he’d go down as the best joker, because people value your work more when you’re dead.
Yeah but the movie was shit trash
@eating sugar no papa well that's your opinion, my opinion is that this joker is better then heath
Don't forget Hamill
Did anyone else realize that Kimmel did exactly to Joaquin...what Murray did to the Joker?
Yeah the Kimmel interview is so meta. I wanted to say, "Um...Kimmel, you saw the movie. How about don't be a talkshow host making fun of your guest."
It was staged performance art. There are a few videos about it.
I was thinking that too I wonder if it was planned by the both of them, I doubt that, but I wouldn't be surprised of it turned out that way.
@@winstonsol8713 I knew it I thought I was the only one who thought that lol.
@@winstonsol8713 where can I find these? it did seem a little staged
I seen someone say that this movie "Needed a hero" i was like smh 🤦
Kenvy people like that are the ones great didn’t understand the movie
ikrrrr
When he believed Thomas Wayne was his father, it reminded me of this scene in the dark knight, "You remind me of my father, and I hated my father!". It all made sense...but then...yeah...
Except TW could be his father. On the back of the photo of his mother that he balls up it said something like "you have a nice smile. T.W"
So while the things about her being crazy and him being abused were true it could also be true that Tommy like to fuck crazy"
@@kevinsmithfan37 I thought I was the only one who noticed that. That photo gave it away. Probably banged her and sent her away after.
@@UmarFarooq-mp3iw kind of reminded me of 10 cloverfield lane. You spend the whole movie wondering if he is crazy or if there really are aliens taking over the planet...turns out both things can be true
50 shades of crypto well if you watched the first Cloverfield you would’ve known the answer from the beginning....
The photo of Arthur's mom with TW signature could be pointing to Wayne lying about his relationship with her, but not about being Arthur's father. Both those things can be true.
“When you hand me my Oscar, could you introduce me as Joker?”
And then he declares the Oscars fake and shoots the host.
@@byronsenior6499 Best Oscars ever.
Aaron Toh 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@@byronsenior6499 wrong because the oscars don't have hosts anymore
@@carlosruiz2413 Do they have parasites instead?
Most underrated line in the movie:
"You're a good dancer. You know who's not? Him! *BANG!*"
What movie is this from ?
@@infamouskano It's from Joker. The part when he's in his apartment, dancing by himself with the gun in his hand.
@@danielclark241 ohhh yeah right right now I remember
I didn't understand that line. Who was he referring to?
@@mandatorial Arthur is referring to his imagination of someone being there and he just shoots the wall unexpectedly
When they tied Bruce into it, I got absolute chills. Seeing the Joker stalk this quiet kid standing alone, who we know will one day become the legendary Dark Knight, his nemesis, is just so amazing.
I thought so too
The final act of this movie had me actually speechless.
The scene when after he killed the talk show host and just chilled on the couch all nonchalantly, that’s when i was like, “that’s joker!”.
and the face and dance he did after the shots is just brilliant and great acting
I kinda love how he technically even his name Arthur Fleck isn’t his real name , I mean because he’s adopted I just like to see it in a way that maybe even his real birth name isn’t given to us
Well since he was abandoned at birth he never even had any other name
How awesome would it be if this movie embraced and mixed all of joker’s origins rumoured stories into one? I mean he was abused as a kid which could lead to his father doing the why so serious, sophie could’ve been his wife or at least the imaginary one and somehow he would fall into chemicals to get that last look from the joker
It's his clown name not his real one.
well... yeah. The joker never had or will, an origin name... which was kinda the obvious point of him being adopted
Ha had no name so it stays true to comics he has no name
Another thing about joker is the cruel irony. He latched the lock for the little guy specifically because he knew it would be funny that he couldn't reach the latch, its psychotic and that's why it's so good