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Probably also important to note that strongman doesn’t allow sumo, so even if a lot of those guys could pull 1000+ pounds with sumo, they don’t have a reason to.
This is true. But you still would see most heavyweight deadlifters pull sumo if it were easier for them (the vast majority pull conventional). You’d also suspect many powerlifters to pull >1,000lbs sumo, but to my knowledge only 1 ever has.
Dreonix What’s cap? That people’s body can be different so we use different methods to accommodate? Edit: he deleted his reply because people were flaming him too much, poor guy.
@@nicecontent3158 nope u clearly don't know wat ur talking bout. When it comes to deadlifts almost everyone except those with injuries should be able to do conventional and sumo, if u think any different ur inexperienced or just don't know wat ur talking bout. That's why I chose to simply say cap. That will be all from me. Catch urself up to speed with wat u need to know so u don't end up with an injury and ur able to make significant gains. good luck :)
@@yoyo9winner now, while I am inexperienced I just want to say this, OP said that it it easier depending on your body shape, he didn't say whether different body shapes couldn't do it and it makes sense that your body can dictate what method you use because maybe doing sumo at a higher weight class doesn't fit the standard body shape of that weight class, just an outsiders point of view
@@Loading-lg6hs not necessarily better. sumo uses more leg drive and takes a lot of the load off the lower back. conventional has less leg drive so the lower back is the main mover.
It was the opposite for me . When I first started lifting I did conventional. Was weak af at it. Then one day decided to try sumo and the weight was moving so smoothly. Immediately switched to sumo from that day on. Also I'm just 120 pounds lol
When your heavy and you sit down into a conventional correctly your body weight helps as a counter balance. Brian shaw has an awesome video on how he can dead lift 225 a few inches off the ground just by getting in position
Ill have to look for that one but theres also one on elite fts that gave this same info as I also will tend to rock back right before initiating the lift
but why, dont allow some dumbass on the internet to make you feel bad about how you lift, if you are more efficient sumo just pull sumo, and who the fuck cares if somebody says that it does't count they are just pissed because you probably lift more than them
I feel you. I have pulled more with sumo when i got the technique down but I chose stick with conventional exclusively after. Sumo never brought me the joy that conventional does as its much less challenging for me
@@enricopravato6677 whenever me and my mates lift and I see them sumo I fuck around with them because well they the bros...like as a joke sometimes when they finish 1 set then ill go wait you finished ur set?? I didn't even see the bar move😂😂there's a time and place for everything
@@itzwilza7189 of course, i am not saying that you shouldn't joke around, i am decent at both sumo and conv. until now i mainly trained sumo even tho i am now thinking about switching back to conventional, since it feels like it's more reliable, less pain and less grip issues. I often joke around with my friends telling them that i am stronger just because i cheat or shit like that. but if you feel bad about how you lift because of some stupid shit online there is something wrong in my opinion
I’m weaker sumo, but I have an easier time repping out lower weight doing sumo for some reason. But lifting heavy conventional is easier because of my leverages.
Sumo is and will always be tougher than conventional because your pressing force is at an angle unlike in conventional where you're pushing against the gravity directly.
@@Rk76742 No it's not. Conventional has a higher range of motion, don't forget that. One of the major differences is also the change in angles that requires different muscles for the lift. The most important thing though is the persons size,the structure of the hip and limb length. Neither sumo nor conventional is harder in general, it depends on the person.
I did Sumo when I was in highschool but told to stop because it wasn't a real deadlift. When I tried doing conventional the movement was extremely awkward for me and I couldn't get the correct movement pattern no matter how much I trained and focused on it. Now I do strictly do Sumo and it feels great when I do it.
The guys in this video doing conventional have shorter stubbier limbs, whereas the guys doing sumo have longer farther limbs. That's intentional. The best deadlift for them is the one that suits their anatomy needs
It always seemed to be a strange argument to me because most of the people I know that claim that sumo is cheating have never actually tried to use it in competition. How the hell can you say it is easier if you have never done it? I pull almost the exact same weight either way, and I personally find sumo the much harder lift from a technical perspective. I suppose at the end of the day, if the rules allow it, opinions won't change the records.
Some of the guys doing conventional are just as tall but they’re wider so they look shorter and stubbier when their really just more muscular and have a lot more width on their limbs.
I lift sumo because my legs are long, arms are short and my hips are wide. If I pull conventional I’m much more bent over or sit to low to make a more explosive movement
I'm 6"5.5 and I used to pull conventional back from 2006-10 at 18-22yo (best was a bit over 455lbs) then had lower back issues stemming from work/sport and gravitated towards the machines whenever I was fit enough to train out of fear of reinjury/dumb advice. Didn't deadlift for 8 years until I was prescribed RDL and trap bar variations which I never went heavy with due to fear of reinjury (135lbs for reps), but found it did help strengthen the lower back. Started sumos this year from advice from another physical therapist, feeling way way way better and less compromised pulling sumo, opens my hips up well. The biggest problem I will encounter eventually is my grip strength as I'm not too keen on a mixed grip and rather go with the overhand (generally started mixed gripping when I went heavier than 315 conventional back then)
@@Convultus thanks for the advice Yeah I'm holding on for now with double overhand, I have hook gripped a couple of times on humid days when my hands were a bit sweaty, but tbf I'm not pushing big numbers either, moreso happy just to be getting the reps in every week pain free and getting the lower back area stronger. I haven't been over 300lbs yet post injury on the sumos, 275 is my best so far, normally train between 225-265 for reps, I did bench 320lbs on Xmas Eve but which I was rapt with. I will probably buy a better barbell later in the year as I train at home too. An Ohio Power bar is high on the wishlist, however depends on budget, just need something that's more aggressive than what I'm currently using and hopefully that'll help with the grip too.
How much do u weight? Im 6'3,3 weighting 232 lb with like...16% fat. Im natural and i look better than 99,9% of naturals of my gym, but with some sweaters looks like i dont even lift. With tight shirts i look pretty big and super aesthetic 👍💪💪💪
@@theyliedtoyouaboutworldwar1944 bro nobody looks like they lift in sweaters💀. Even Mr Olympias will just look like a fat dude if they wear a baggy sweater.
Tried both. I've found sumo to be easier. I can pull more weight in sumo then the regular one. Using my legs to push the weight up more then the regular one.
@@u.ssecretservice7783 how to get mobility I am 6 2 Do I have leverages??? Plz explain I am new!! With conventional I can pull 465 with reps But tried sumo last night and I just pulled 315 and after that I couldn't 😳 It felt much pressure on back!
@@peschannel9815 height isn't the only factor. Your arm lengths in relation to your torso length, as well as the lengths of your femurs all play a role
@@michaelgriggs7839 I would believe ROM isn't everything if I didn't see 1/4" bench press records because someone spread their arms out enough, flexed their wrists out of its socket, and arched their back more than the golden arches to reduce ROM to that 1/4".
@@High_Rate136 that’s an entirely different lift. you can’t compare the two. If rom was everything every person that does sumo would just stand with their toes at the plates but they don’t because it’s harder to generate efficient leg drive even though the rom is shorter. Sumo is easier for some people because it recruits different muscles than conventional not because of rom
If you have the flexibility, sumo IS EASIER, that’s why ANYONE who can do sumo does it with more weight, it’s easier, no argument, they do it because it’s a shorter rom and they can show off better by pulling more, but it will never be considered as impressive as conventional. That’s why sumo pullers always seem so insecure about their lifts lol they know it’s a loophole.
I think it's also related to your quads/glutes/abductors strength. Conventional lifters usually have very strong squat, shorter limbs, whereas sumo lifters are better deadlifters than squatters and are usually equipped with long limbs.
Sumo is far easier. We see guys who are sub 200 lbs sumo deadlifting 800 lbs, 900 lbs and even 1000+ lbs and guys who weigh 140+ lbs sumo deadlifting over 600+ lbs. Difference is....lotta of the guys who pull conventional dont want to pull sumo because its easier. Just like how lots of guys dont want to "exorcist arch" when theyre bench pressing. It has everything to do with pride.
Yeah it's not really a weird thing tbh that's pretty standard and I'm the same. For 1 rep it's all about your leverages and strengths, the argument people say about sumo ROM being less so it's easier is entirely BS because it is impossible to completely deplete energy in the time it takes to do one rep, the extra few inches doesn't change anything. But for multiple reps, the work done equation comes into play and so even if you are technically worse at sumo, you are able to sustain the required force for more reps since each one drains less energy.
I am no expert Matt but I think it has a lot to do with the hip bone and the hip joint in particular. Simply people with a slightly wider hip and femur attachment finds conventional more natural than sumo. In fact they find Squats with narrow stance better too. I am one of them.
@@zercherspecialist127 Since I am an example here too. I am athletic and very lean and I can do Sumo with proper form. I lift more in conventional. It's more skeletal than Fat/Mobility here.
@@tikiortaka yes it can be for both reasons, you can be stronger in conventional even if you are a light guy, because of leverage, muscle inserction and hip mobility, but on top of that if you are a really big guy your size may prevent you from pulling sumo altogether
@@gbaby6774 Damn that boi stronk. Before close downs my best was 495, when I attempted another day with sumo I couldn't pull it. Maybe now I can because I've trained sumo, but I still favor conventional @163 lbs as of right now
@@ichbinkrass1237 That would be Eddie Hall's lesser known identical twin brother. He has no competition history except matching Eddie's 500k deadlift. He disappeared after that.
Think about the muscles involved. Sumo has knees outward, likely indication of increased gluteal contraction. Better stability(the contraction drives the feet and legs down, helping with the push) in the lower limb makes it easier to lift. That's just my observation, though. Any professional sports science thoughts?
That last clip with Eddie was also for the conventional record with calibrated plates on a standard bar so he couldn’t have done sumo even if he wanted (which I’ve never seen a strongman do sumo, prolly cause it’s not allowed in comps)
It’s more about the height of the lifter instead of the weight from what I’ve seen. Shorter people (including myself) sumo DL and taller people conventional deadlift. Not true for everyone, but that’s what I’ve seen
Sumo plays more towards your body type and leverage + the mobility it requires, a lot of people overlook. You can muscle up a conv but not a sumo. Technique rules all in sumo
I added 20kg to my sumo in 4 weeks just by changing my feet placement going from focusing on spreading the floor and changing to what Jamal recommended which is to treat the sumo like a leg press and keep my torso vertical was fucking insane
In case your wondering why the guy at the end collapsed after lifting that weight, that was because he set the world record for deadlifts at 463 KG in 2015 he had serious health problems for weeks after including bleeding from his ears, eyes and nose and his family was worried for him, however he did survive.
A few months ago I weighed 270lbs. I’m 230lbs now and always prefer sumo. It used more quads and less lower back which is great because a deadlift is more like a reverse leg press than a lower back exercise.
The whole point of a deadlift is to work the posterior chain, including the lower back. When you think of someone with a huge deadlift you think of something with a huge thick back and hamstrings, glutes neck traps etc. No one thinks a deadlift = big legs. big legs come from squatting. Sumo is just changing the mechanics to make it more like a squat which is why its easier.
@@Nachtgeist. You fail to realize that exercises, especially compound ones work more than 1 muscle group. It’s impossible to isolate. Your back is being used to stabilize your body on bicep curls. I never said deadlifts or squats or leg presses only work the quads, you’re the only one who misinterpreted what I said. World record holders including Eddie Hall use the reverse leg press analogy because you push your feet into the floor and drive your hips forward when you lift it up. It’s true the deadlift uses many body parts, but it’s mainly the legs, and if you think otherwise you’re definitely not lifting as much as you can and you’re heading towards injury. Sumo uses more quads to compensate for the lack on hamstrings, so people with bigger quads and shorter arms will benefit more. It’s not easier than conventional, it’s using different muscles.
same thing for me - i am just a beginner, but i can bench more than i can squat, so my legs are far behind the rest of my body. I started doing deadlifts like a month ago, and well, i am unable to lift my conventional PR any distance when trying it sumo. Even by looking at the movement itself, with conventional you lean more to the front, which makes you use your back more. Some professionals when deadlifting sumo barely lean forward, they almost only grab the bar by squatting
@@FactifyEveryday if you can bench more than you squat, you're a novice lifter. Alot of people start off that way since the upper body is trained more often in general population, and the squat has a higher learning curve for those that have never trained legs (running and machines doesn't count as training legs)
@@watermelon1221 yes, i do realise that i am a novice (i specified that i have been doing deadlifts for only a month), but trying both variations pretty much equally often, conventional lets me pick up heavier weight
The whole reason sumo is used is because it keeps the bar from turning in your hand with all the weight so in return you can lift more. That's the reason its banned in Strongman
Conventional dead is my fav lift, by far. I tried sumo for a while thinking it was a free lunch. It wasn’t. Went back to conventional. Weird thing is not only was my sumo weaker, it just wasn’t fun. My conventional 1rm is 222.5kg (~490lb in freedom units lol) so I’m an intermediate middle aged hack lol…. Definitely gonna hit 500lb in 2022 though!!
Experienced lifters train both to bring up sticking points. One will always be stronger than the other depending on that person's body type as you you stated. Also has to do with leverages.
I used to pull conventional until I noticed it strained my back a lot, I then switched to sumo and got set back a couple of plates but then ended up surpassing conventional I alm also a slimmer guy so this makes sense I have more mobility. Either way my conventional is still pretty high just feels like it’s higher risk fuc* whatever u think looks cooler js
For me my hip adductors feel bad. But only past a certain weight. When i go past like the 455 zone. But with conventional they just never hurt even 495+. In conclusion frick sumo😂
if you feel it all in the hip flexors, it's a sign you have poor mobility and weak glutes. Try working eccentric movements such as a wide stance squat where you go down real slow. You'll feel it in the hip flexor at first, until you learn the correct movement pattern
@@watermelon1221 definitely not glute weakness, as I can glute bridge my deadlift max for 10+ reps. Could be mobility but I dont lack mobility for other lifts such as Jefferson deadlifts/low bar squats where there's extension in the flexor region. I think I'm just not built for pulling sumo
The answer overall is yes, it’s the same reason bench press with a big arch is easier (the weight is moving a shorter distance). Leverage and mobility are the limiting factors
Deadlift is full body exercise, but it will work your legs more, the most muscled worked for deadlift is glutes, hamstring and lower back, secondary muscles is your lats, traps, forearms, calf, hips.
It basically comes down to your body type. I'm personally way stronger with conventional. But the thing is, people who pull better with sumo have much higher numbers usually (compared to bodyweight), because the moment arm is shortened. so if you're body type favors sumo you will be able to progress to bigger numbers, like how people with broad shoulders and short arms are practically made for bench pressing
@@mrRunist how do you come to that conclusion genius? Why have weight classes in MMA, Boxing, Powerlifting? If the guy that is 340 is only pulling 150 lbs more than the guy that’s 220….who’s stronger? That’s how you win the overall at a powerlifting meet…strongest guy pound for pound
@@jakeinthebox1 You idiots say "This is guy who weighs 60 kg and lifts 250 kg is actually stronger than a guy who weighs 200 kg and lifts 500" I say it's bullshit and the weights say it's bullshit. Weights don't give a shit what your body weight is, gravity doesn't give a shit what your body weight is. If you're 80 and I'm 90 and you lift 199 kg and I lift 200 I'm stronger than you. I can move more weight. All else is just stupid semantic games. Weight classes are to give the little guys a shot at the sports mentioned, even though it really doesn't count. The best weightlifter is of course the guy who moves the most weight and the best boxer is of course the guy that can knock everyone out.
Say what you want, but personally sumo deadlifts are harder to me mentally because of how slow it is off the ground, sometimes it feels like an eternity just trying to break it off the floor. Sumo is much more technical than conventional and can take months and even longer just for someone to become efficient at it. Having to learn how to wedge and pulling the slack out all while trying to find the proper hip height without being too far in front of the bar is a lot to learn whereas conventional is a bit more simple to learn.
I definitely disagree I think it’s mostly based on your body especially your legs. Speaking for myself I can do sumos easier as I’m tall long legs etc. But I also have a friend who’s 6 or so inches shorter then me and he always uses conventional because of his shorter legs.
I’ve asked this question I even don’t like lifting as a sport those are my personal preferences but even still this video is satisfying to listen to and it’s one of those things that make me go “huh that’s so cool” W VIDEO NO DIFF
It also depends on where you're strongest. If you have a big squat you're going to be stronger on sumo due to being a more quad dominant version of a deadlift. If you're stronger in your back and hamstrings you'll get more doing conventional. Happy lifting🤙🤙
Sumo should be it's own lift, not competing against the harder conventional, Yuri and that other clown Jamal are taking liberties pulling sumo thinking their lifts are more impressive than Konstantinov's 939 absolutely raw deadlift.
I have a pretty long torso- I’m 5’11” with only a 30” inseam, so it’s difficult for me to pull conceptual without rounding my back. Sumo helps me keep my back straight.
I'd also hypothesize that smaller people have lower core strength (due to smaller waists) so using a more upright sumo pull is more advantageous. Conversely, larger lifters (with their large power belly) can use that power in their lifts benefit rather than it being a weak point.
That’s a good hypothesis ! At least having a shoulder / waist ratio close to 1 should be benefical to conventional lifters since they have a relatively big core for their body, or at least the bigger the waist the better, whatever your shoulder witdh is
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Probably also important to note that strongman doesn’t allow sumo, so even if a lot of those guys could pull 1000+ pounds with sumo, they don’t have a reason to.
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rauno heinla pulling over 1000lbs on sumo first try for shits and giggles tells a story
@@allylilith5605 "first try" -> powerlifting background where he had pulled and been familiar with sumo in the past
@@allylilith5605 Guy was a powerlifter before
This is true. But you still would see most heavyweight deadlifters pull sumo if it were easier for them (the vast majority pull conventional). You’d also suspect many powerlifters to pull >1,000lbs sumo, but to my knowledge only 1 ever has.
Dang the last one when Eddie hall got the world record and almost went blind 😳
Him and Thor are beyond human
@@lewisjones284 fr Thor is insane, I saw him in GoT and that’s why I started watching the strong man stuff, Brian is crazy strong too that mf is huge
@@jacobdiaz1190 Eddie is also taller than average but compared to Brian and Thor he seems short
@@theoneabovemost7865 and Robert, Oberst is 6’7
He actually almost died from a brain hemorrhage. Too much pressure burst a a few vessel in his brain
It's almost like the shape of your body will influence which lift is more effective and efficient for you
Science :o
That’s cap
Dreonix What’s cap? That people’s body can be different so we use different methods to accommodate?
Edit: he deleted his reply because people were flaming him too much, poor guy.
@@nicecontent3158 nope u clearly don't know wat ur talking bout. When it comes to deadlifts almost everyone except those with injuries should be able to do conventional and sumo, if u think any different ur inexperienced or just don't know wat ur talking bout. That's why I chose to simply say cap. That will be all from me. Catch urself up to speed with wat u need to know so u don't end up with an injury and ur able to make significant gains. good luck :)
@@yoyo9winner now, while I am inexperienced I just want to say this, OP said that it it easier depending on your body shape, he didn't say whether different body shapes couldn't do it and it makes sense that your body can dictate what method you use because maybe doing sumo at a higher weight class doesn't fit the standard body shape of that weight class, just an outsiders point of view
note that 1000lbs pulls are often done under strongman rules where sumo is actively banned
But why though I wonder
Because it's a woman's lift. It looks weird and weak.
@@janoycresnova9156 Okay
@@qpghostqp9551 it's not banned, it's simply a different exercise.
@@davorzdralo8000 it is banned
I was on team “sumo is easier” until I actually tried it. Shit was so hard lol but now I prefer it. My lower back thanks me.
The pull off the floor is hard as shit with sumo versus the lockout being the harder part with conventional in my opinion
If you're not trained in a lift it's going to be harder regardless of whether the movement is comparatively easier like for like.
Sumo is better for your lower back?
@@Loading-lg6hs not necessarily better. sumo uses more leg drive and takes a lot of the load off the lower back. conventional has less leg drive so the lower back is the main mover.
It was the opposite for me . When I first started lifting I did conventional. Was weak af at it. Then one day decided to try sumo and the weight was moving so smoothly. Immediately switched to sumo from that day on. Also I'm just 120 pounds lol
"69% of all lifters pull conventional."
*Balanced as all things should be.*
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When your heavy and you sit down into a conventional correctly your body weight helps as a counter balance. Brian shaw has an awesome video on how he can dead lift 225 a few inches off the ground just by getting in position
Ill have to look for that one but theres also one on elite fts that gave this same info as I also will tend to rock back right before initiating the lift
Link plZz
video name ?
I hope all you guys rushing to get that video are close to Shaws height and weight
This is HILARIOUS.
*leans 225 off floor
I wish conventional was as easy as sumo for me. It would feel better hitting a PR in conventional.
but why, dont allow some dumbass on the internet to make you feel bad about how you lift, if you are more efficient sumo just pull sumo, and who the fuck cares if somebody says that it does't count they are just pissed because you probably lift more than them
@@arobik3131 awww and why should i? you got offended that somebody else had a different opinion than yours?
I feel you. I have pulled more with sumo when i got the technique down but I chose stick with conventional exclusively after. Sumo never brought me the joy that conventional does as its much less challenging for me
@@enricopravato6677 whenever me and my mates lift and I see them sumo I fuck around with them because well they the bros...like as a joke sometimes when they finish 1 set then ill go wait you finished ur set?? I didn't even see the bar move😂😂there's a time and place for everything
@@itzwilza7189 of course, i am not saying that you shouldn't joke around, i am decent at both sumo and conv. until now i mainly trained sumo even tho i am now thinking about switching back to conventional, since it feels like it's more reliable, less pain and less grip issues. I often joke around with my friends telling them that i am stronger just because i cheat or shit like that. but if you feel bad about how you lift because of some stupid shit online there is something wrong in my opinion
Eddie is a beast he pulled that off for like 6 seconds witch is insane since the weight of the deadlift is 500kg
I think he was having issues locking out
@@tybogit what do you expect, it is 500kg record, he did it in competition style unlike Thorbjørnsen 501😄
Eddie is fucking beast.
@@tybogit no he was showing off
@@nolansullivan4656 He didn’t really lock out.
How much pounds is 500kg?
I’m weaker sumo, but I have an easier time repping out lower weight doing sumo for some reason. But lifting heavy conventional is easier because of my leverages.
Sumo is and will always be tougher than conventional because your pressing force is at an angle unlike in conventional where you're pushing against the gravity directly.
@@Rk76742 No it's not. Conventional has a higher range of motion, don't forget that. One of the major differences is also the change in angles that requires different muscles for the lift. The most important thing though is the persons size,the structure of the hip and limb length. Neither sumo nor conventional is harder in general, it depends on the person.
@@Rk76742 LMAO sumo isn’t tougher it’s for bitches who can’t deadlift like a normal person
@@isaactaylor1833 😂😂😂
@@Rk76742 sumo is not “always tougher” even matt just said it depends on the person lol
I did Sumo when I was in highschool but told to stop because it wasn't a real deadlift. When I tried doing conventional the movement was extremely awkward for me and I couldn't get the correct movement pattern no matter how much I trained and focused on it. Now I do strictly do Sumo and it feels great when I do it.
That's good you listen to your body. I also do sumo
Preference. They both load differently. As they say-
“Different strokes for different folks”
The guys in this video doing conventional have shorter stubbier limbs, whereas the guys doing sumo have longer farther limbs. That's intentional. The best deadlift for them is the one that suits their anatomy needs
Yea, having longer legs favors sumo usually. Allows you to focus more on the leg drive than the pull from your glutes and lower back
It always seemed to be a strange argument to me because most of the people I know that claim that sumo is cheating have never actually tried to use it in competition. How the hell can you say it is easier if you have never done it? I pull almost the exact same weight either way, and I personally find sumo the much harder lift from a technical perspective.
I suppose at the end of the day, if the rules allow it, opinions won't change the records.
Good explanation, I appreciate this one!
🤞🏼 Give me a reason.
Some of the guys doing conventional are just as tall but they’re wider so they look shorter and stubbier when their really just more muscular and have a lot more width on their limbs.
I lift sumo because my legs are long, arms are short and my hips are wide. If I pull conventional I’m much more bent over or sit to low to make a more explosive movement
I'm 6"5.5 and I used to pull conventional back from 2006-10 at 18-22yo (best was a bit over 455lbs) then had lower back issues stemming from work/sport and gravitated towards the machines whenever I was fit enough to train out of fear of reinjury/dumb advice.
Didn't deadlift for 8 years until I was prescribed RDL and trap bar variations which I never went heavy with due to fear of reinjury (135lbs for reps), but found it did help strengthen the lower back. Started sumos this year from advice from another physical therapist, feeling way way way better and less compromised pulling sumo, opens my hips up well. The biggest problem I will encounter eventually is my grip strength as I'm not too keen on a mixed grip and rather go with the overhand (generally started mixed gripping when I went heavier than 315 conventional back then)
@@Convultus thanks for the advice
Yeah I'm holding on for now with double overhand, I have hook gripped a couple of times on humid days when my hands were a bit sweaty, but tbf I'm not pushing big numbers either, moreso happy just to be getting the reps in every week pain free and getting the lower back area stronger. I haven't been over 300lbs yet post injury on the sumos, 275 is my best so far, normally train between 225-265 for reps, I did bench 320lbs on Xmas Eve but which I was rapt with.
I will probably buy a better barbell later in the year as I train at home too. An Ohio Power bar is high on the wishlist, however depends on budget, just need something that's more aggressive than what I'm currently using and hopefully that'll help with the grip too.
@@Convultus yeah got chalk, not a big fan, moreso prefer it for benching actually
I’m 6’4 and on the thin side of life. I prefer conventional
How much do u weight? Im 6'3,3 weighting 232 lb with like...16% fat. Im natural and i look better than 99,9% of naturals of my gym, but with some sweaters looks like i dont even lift. With tight shirts i look pretty big and super aesthetic 👍💪💪💪
@@theyliedtoyouaboutworldwar1944 bro nobody looks like they lift in sweaters💀. Even Mr Olympias will just look like a fat dude if they wear a baggy sweater.
@@theyliedtoyouaboutworldwar1944 bro you good?
@@vimos.9996 Im fine ty. How are u?
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Tried both. I've found sumo to be easier. I can pull more weight in sumo then the regular one.
Using my legs to push the weight up more then the regular one.
Most likely because u have the leverages and mobility to make it happen.
@@u.ssecretservice7783 how to get mobility
I am 6 2
Do I have leverages???
Plz explain I am new!!
With conventional I can pull 465 with reps
But tried sumo last night and I just pulled 315 and after that I couldn't 😳
It felt much pressure on back!
@@peschannel9815 height isn't the only factor. Your arm lengths in relation to your torso length, as well as the lengths of your femurs all play a role
Well , sumo still have less range to travel the barbell through , so , it helps for sure
Exactly. There’s a power lifter that has a video where he compares his sumo and conventional. It was over an inch difference
@@High_Rate136 but rom isn’t everything. Sumo is way harder off the floor compared to conventional where you can just yank the bar off the floor
@@michaelgriggs7839 I would believe ROM isn't everything if I didn't see 1/4" bench press records because someone spread their arms out enough, flexed their wrists out of its socket, and arched their back more than the golden arches to reduce ROM to that 1/4".
@@High_Rate136 that’s an entirely different lift. you can’t compare the two. If rom was everything every person that does sumo would just stand with their toes at the plates but they don’t because it’s harder to generate efficient leg drive even though the rom is shorter. Sumo is easier for some people because it recruits different muscles than conventional not because of rom
Sumo is easier homie no point in arguing about it lol
If you have the flexibility, sumo IS EASIER, that’s why ANYONE who can do sumo does it with more weight, it’s easier, no argument, they do it because it’s a shorter rom and they can show off better by pulling more, but it will never be considered as impressive as conventional. That’s why sumo pullers always seem so insecure about their lifts lol they know it’s a loophole.
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I think it's also related to your quads/glutes/abductors strength. Conventional lifters usually have very strong squat, shorter limbs, whereas sumo lifters are better deadlifters than squatters and are usually equipped with long limbs.
That's the opposite of true.
it’s the other way around. Sumo uses more leg muscles than conventional so squat directly correlates with sumo.
I think it all depends on leverage for the specific person. And also depends on rule of specificity, I mean strongman only trains conventional
Sumo is far easier. We see guys who are sub 200 lbs sumo deadlifting 800 lbs, 900 lbs and even 1000+ lbs and guys who weigh 140+ lbs sumo deadlifting over 600+ lbs.
Difference is....lotta of the guys who pull conventional dont want to pull sumo because its easier. Just like how lots of guys dont want to "exorcist arch" when theyre bench pressing.
It has everything to do with pride.
The only true comment among this thread with all these mentally slow skinnyfat "experts".
Amen.
Was anybody else not paying attention and just watching these guys lift
I have this weird thing where I am better at conventional for singles, but better at sumo for reps.
Meaning you are comfortable with conventional on high weights but not comfort in sumo
@@mehakkalirona6208 Yes.
Probably because conventional burns out your lower back a lot quicker.
Yeah it's not really a weird thing tbh that's pretty standard and I'm the same. For 1 rep it's all about your leverages and strengths, the argument people say about sumo ROM being less so it's easier is entirely BS because it is impossible to completely deplete energy in the time it takes to do one rep, the extra few inches doesn't change anything. But for multiple reps, the work done equation comes into play and so even if you are technically worse at sumo, you are able to sustain the required force for more reps since each one drains less energy.
@@wuhhday4003 This makes a whole heap of sense. Thank you.
I am no expert Matt but I think it has a lot to do with the hip bone and the hip joint in particular. Simply people with a slightly wider hip and femur attachment finds conventional more natural than sumo. In fact they find Squats with narrow stance better too. I am one of them.
Bigger guys cant even get into the position to pull sump most of the time bc they arent mobile enough
@@zercherspecialist127 Since I am an example here too. I am athletic and very lean and I can do Sumo with proper form. I lift more in conventional. It's more skeletal than Fat/Mobility here.
@@tikiortaka yes it can be for both reasons, you can be stronger in conventional even if you are a light guy, because of leverage, muscle inserction and hip mobility, but on top of that if you are a really big guy your size may prevent you from pulling sumo altogether
@@enricopravato6677 Elaborate Big. Tall? Big Belly? or Someone like Big Ramy?
@@enricopravato6677 Would you consider Cailer Woolam big?
I'm 5'7 and I favor and feel conventional easier than sumo, but that's my take on it
I dont even know what the fk is the difference
Ik this kid that sumos 600 and he’s 5’7 140lbs
@@gbaby6774 Damn that boi stronk. Before close downs my best was 495, when I attempted another day with sumo I couldn't pull it. Maybe now I can because I've trained sumo, but I still favor conventional @163 lbs as of right now
@@josemercedes1265 weights are heavy sometimes lol
Im the same, I dont pull sumo I dont like the position im in, maybe its cause im not use to it and Im not efficient at it.
That Eric hall clip is crazy. That lift almost killed him, he gave himself a brain bleed.
Who is Eric Hall?
@@ichbinkrass1237 That would be Eddie Hall's lesser known identical twin brother. He has no competition history except matching Eddie's 500k deadlift. He disappeared after that.
Eric hall is eddie hall’s parallel universe ghost
This also explain why Women skew sumo so hard. With men it’s a pretty even split. With women it’s like 75/25 sumo favored.
Probably just has to do with they aren't called a phaggot after pulling sumo
@@danboofin5094 😂
Women have wider hip structure because they have to give birth, that wider hip structure is way more favourable towards sumo
Think about the muscles involved. Sumo has knees outward, likely indication of increased gluteal contraction. Better stability(the contraction drives the feet and legs down, helping with the push) in the lower limb makes it easier to lift.
That's just my observation, though. Any professional sports science thoughts?
That Eddie Hall lift is always tough to watch when you know that it very nearly killed him.
Props for bringing Eddie's world record in there with them.
That last one was unreal! I can't even imagine being that strong 😶
_Sits her down in the living room_ … _clears throat_ “the industrial revolution and its consequences”
That last clip with Eddie was also for the conventional record with calibrated plates on a standard bar so he couldn’t have done sumo even if he wanted (which I’ve never seen a strongman do sumo, prolly cause it’s not allowed in comps)
It wasn't a standard bar, it was a deadlift bar. No way in hell he would pull 500 kg on a real power bar, lol.
@@Jeneric81 he deadlifted 460kg beltless on a stiff bar years before, so yes he could.
@@RustyIsScared Cool, where can I see that?
@@Jeneric81 RUclips lol
@@Jeneric81 actually its been deleted for some reason, idk why. But theres a vid of him deadlifting 463kg beltless at competition.
It’s more about the height of the lifter instead of the weight from what I’ve seen. Shorter people (including myself) sumo DL and taller people conventional deadlift. Not true for everyone, but that’s what I’ve seen
Well said 💯. Thank you for your efforts on this!! This was great!!
Sumo plays more towards your body type and leverage + the mobility it requires, a lot of people overlook. You can muscle up a conv but not a sumo. Technique rules all in sumo
I added 20kg to my sumo in 4 weeks just by changing my feet placement going from focusing on spreading the floor and changing to what Jamal recommended which is to treat the sumo like a leg press and keep my torso vertical was fucking insane
i disagree, since my femurs are so long(i’m 6ft 4in…) it’s a lot harder to do standard deadlift than sumo
The last guy lifting had a heart attack.
In case your wondering why the guy at the end collapsed after lifting that weight, that was because he set the world record for deadlifts at 463 KG in 2015 he had serious health problems for weeks after including bleeding from his ears, eyes and nose and his family was worried for him, however he did survive.
A few months ago I weighed 270lbs. I’m 230lbs now and always prefer sumo. It used more quads and less lower back which is great because a deadlift is more like a reverse leg press than a lower back exercise.
The whole point of a deadlift is to work the posterior chain, including the lower back. When you think of someone with a huge deadlift you think of something with a huge thick back and hamstrings, glutes neck traps etc. No one thinks a deadlift = big legs. big legs come from squatting. Sumo is just changing the mechanics to make it more like a squat which is why its easier.
@@Nachtgeist. You fail to realize that exercises, especially compound ones work more than 1 muscle group. It’s impossible to isolate. Your back is being used to stabilize your body on bicep curls. I never said deadlifts or squats or leg presses only work the quads, you’re the only one who misinterpreted what I said. World record holders including Eddie Hall use the reverse leg press analogy because you push your feet into the floor and drive your hips forward when you lift it up. It’s true the deadlift uses many body parts, but it’s mainly the legs, and if you think otherwise you’re definitely not lifting as much as you can and you’re heading towards injury. Sumo uses more quads to compensate for the lack on hamstrings, so people with bigger quads and shorter arms will benefit more. It’s not easier than conventional, it’s using different muscles.
Can it be that sumo is easier when u have strong legs? Because i find conventional A LOT easier and my legs are really weak
same thing for me - i am just a beginner, but i can bench more than i can squat, so my legs are far behind the rest of my body. I started doing deadlifts like a month ago, and well, i am unable to lift my conventional PR any distance when trying it sumo. Even by looking at the movement itself, with conventional you lean more to the front, which makes you use your back more. Some professionals when deadlifting sumo barely lean forward, they almost only grab the bar by squatting
In conventional, the bar usually moves more from hip than knee extension, and vice versa in sumo.
you need strong adductors. You haven't trained sumo as long as you trained conventional.
@@FactifyEveryday if you can bench more than you squat, you're a novice lifter. Alot of people start off that way since the upper body is trained more often in general population, and the squat has a higher learning curve for those that have never trained legs (running and machines doesn't count as training legs)
@@watermelon1221 yes, i do realise that i am a novice (i specified that i have been doing deadlifts for only a month), but trying both variations pretty much equally often, conventional lets me pick up heavier weight
I mean, I’m 184, 6’ 1” and I LOVE conventional, mainly because I can feel it working instead of just feeling awkward
I can feel this man's tongue in my mouth as he speaks.
It’s cause when you’re big mad have it limits flexibility so a lot of them can’t pull sumo even if they tried
I’m 5’11 and I’ve always like conventional more, sumo feels weird in my hips but it could be a technique error.
Same
The whole reason sumo is used is because it keeps the bar from turning in your hand with all the weight so in return you can lift more. That's the reason its banned in Strongman
Conventional dead is my fav lift, by far. I tried sumo for a while thinking it was a free lunch. It wasn’t. Went back to conventional. Weird thing is not only was my sumo weaker, it just wasn’t fun. My conventional 1rm is 222.5kg (~490lb in freedom units lol) so I’m an intermediate middle aged hack lol…. Definitely gonna hit 500lb in 2022 though!!
Experienced lifters train both to bring up sticking points. One will always be stronger than the other depending on that person's body type as you you stated. Also has to do with leverages.
I always feel like they're 1-2 inches away from smashing their foot
Thanks for the information
Great research thank you
Conventional is so hard on my back
I used to pull conventional until I noticed it strained my back a lot, I then switched to sumo and got set back a couple of plates but then ended up surpassing conventional I alm also a slimmer guy so this makes sense I have more mobility. Either way my conventional is still pretty high just feels like it’s higher risk fuc* whatever u think looks cooler js
@Samoht Still Lives!!! trying new weight strains my back as opposed to sumo
Great analysis
Samn this was an actually informative RUclips short👍👍
I’m 150 pounds and I can lift more with conventional. It’s funny how that works but everyone’s different
He’s talking about height not weight, smaller people are better at sumo while taller people are better at conventional
Im 6'2 160 pounds and i am way better at sumo so it really does depend on the person.
@@flynnnijs8750 damn 6,2 160lbs do you compete in some sport or something?
@@Ghost-wb6fe I'm 6'3 with very long arms and I find sumo easier. I think it's random.
@@nikolakaravida9670 yeah i didnt say everyone is like that, just statistically more people are like that, doesnt mean there are not people who arent.
When I pull sumo I feel like my hip flexors, knees and ankles are going to explode. Conventional all the way for me
For me my hip adductors feel bad. But only past a certain weight. When i go past like the 455 zone. But with conventional they just never hurt even 495+. In conclusion frick sumo😂
Same here
if you feel it all in the hip flexors, it's a sign you have poor mobility and weak glutes. Try working eccentric movements such as a wide stance squat where you go down real slow. You'll feel it in the hip flexor at first, until you learn the correct movement pattern
@@watermelon1221 definitely not glute weakness, as I can glute bridge my deadlift max for 10+ reps. Could be mobility but I dont lack mobility for other lifts such as Jefferson deadlifts/low bar squats where there's extension in the flexor region. I think I'm just not built for pulling sumo
Their legs 🦵 are lookin jacked
The answer overall is yes, it’s the same reason bench press with a big arch is easier (the weight is moving a shorter distance). Leverage and mobility are the limiting factors
Bigger guys cant even get into position to pull sumo, and almost all the 1000+ pulls are done in strongman where sumo is t even allowed
Conventional just feels like it’s less focused on my quads, which is what I’m looking for in a deadlift tbh
That's odd since a deadlift is primarily a back exercise. To each their own tho 🤷♂️
@@Rumpled4SkinFU2 deadlift is primarily glutes and hamstrings, not back
Deadlift is full body exercise, but it will work your legs more, the most muscled worked for deadlift is glutes, hamstring and lower back, secondary muscles is your lats, traps, forearms, calf, hips.
It basically comes down to your body type. I'm personally way stronger with conventional. But the thing is, people who pull better with sumo have much higher numbers usually (compared to bodyweight), because the moment arm is shortened.
so if you're body type favors sumo you will be able to progress to bigger numbers, like how people with broad shoulders and short arms are practically made for bench pressing
I just like it cuz it puts less stress on my spine
Stronger people pull conventional. That’s all that points out.
Yuri Belkin is one of the strongest pound for pound deadlifters ever …..pulls sumo
@TheFragilitize he’s a world record holder in the dead and total. Definitely not a Joe shmo
@@jakeinthebox1 Pound for pound is stupid.
@@mrRunist how do you come to that conclusion genius? Why have weight classes in MMA, Boxing, Powerlifting? If the guy that is 340 is only pulling 150 lbs more than the guy that’s 220….who’s stronger? That’s how you win the overall at a powerlifting meet…strongest guy pound for pound
@@jakeinthebox1 You idiots say "This is guy who weighs 60 kg and lifts 250 kg is actually stronger than a guy who weighs 200 kg and lifts 500" I say it's bullshit and the weights say it's bullshit. Weights don't give a shit what your body weight is, gravity doesn't give a shit what your body weight is. If you're 80 and I'm 90 and you lift 199 kg and I lift 200 I'm stronger than you. I can move more weight. All else is just stupid semantic games.
Weight classes are to give the little guys a shot at the sports mentioned, even though it really doesn't count. The best weightlifter is of course the guy who moves the most weight and the best boxer is of course the guy that can knock everyone out.
If you look at large dudes stance width, their conventional is almost like sumo
Bro that eddie hall lift still blows my mind 🤯😱
One dude literally became a fucking red hulk
Say what you want, but personally sumo deadlifts are harder to me mentally because of how slow it is off the ground, sometimes it feels like an eternity just trying to break it off the floor. Sumo is much more technical than conventional and can take months and even longer just for someone to become efficient at it. Having to learn how to wedge and pulling the slack out all while trying to find the proper hip height without being too far in front of the bar is a lot to learn whereas conventional is a bit more simple to learn.
I definitely disagree I think it’s mostly based on your body especially your legs. Speaking for myself I can do sumos easier as I’m tall long legs etc. But I also have a friend who’s 6 or so inches shorter then me and he always uses conventional because of his shorter legs.
That's so ez to learn. Conventional deadlift is taxing on lower back especially +5reps. Sumo is hitting legs asf
i am 6’4 and i weight almost 300 pounds. i can barley get 315 conventional but i can get 350 easy using sumo🤷🏻♂️
I’m about your size. My deadlift went way up when I started emulating Brian Shaw’s technique. Stance as wide as possible inside my arms.
I use a particular variation, and will do anything to proove that it is better
I’ve asked this question I even don’t like lifting as a sport those are my personal preferences but even still this video is satisfying to listen to and it’s one of those things that make me go “huh that’s so cool” W VIDEO NO DIFF
The second lifter looks cool he should start a RUclips channel, a brand and open up a gym
😂
Just lift whichever is more biomechanically efficient for you. Stay strong everyone and lift safe💪🏼
Thank you for using eddies wrl
It also depends on where you're strongest. If you have a big squat you're going to be stronger on sumo due to being a more quad dominant version of a deadlift. If you're stronger in your back and hamstrings you'll get more doing conventional. Happy lifting🤙🤙
“Don’t lift with your back”
Pro’s - back muscles, let’s get it!
That last guy ripped his shin
Ouch that last one...
1st
And reuploaded because apparently premieres don’t work as shorts
@@mattvena226 second
Not really but whatever
Sumo range of motion is less than convention
It’s literally all determined by your body and the way you train
I looked at the second guy and was like:
„Is that Cyclops?“
Sumo should be it's own lift, not competing against the harder conventional, Yuri and that other clown Jamal are taking liberties pulling sumo thinking their lifts are more impressive than Konstantinov's 939 absolutely raw deadlift.
I switched from sumo to conventional.... because I felt conventionals feel more Beastly 😂.
My kneecaps are quaking watching this
Its not a lifting video without THE BEAST
Which one should I go with since I'm 6'7ft?
Whichever feels comfortable to you. And make sure to have proper form.
Try both out and give both time.
Probably conventional, but do whatever feels best
You have to try both of them. It all depends by the mobility in your hips.
do what ever the fuck you wanna do
Eddie hall looks tiny when he’s next to other world strongest men but he is far from it
Yooooo last dude looked like my ark character bean
That one dude at the end lol
That last dude was using the Advance
For recreational: I like sumo becuz it's the best workout for the glutes, imo.
I have a pretty long torso- I’m 5’11” with only a 30” inseam, so it’s difficult for me to pull conceptual without rounding my back. Sumo helps me keep my back straight.
I saw 83 kilos and thought, wait i can lift that! Until i realized it’s the lifters bodyweight xD
My trap bar deadlift was 485 and I felt really good about that for being 14 and weighing 160lbs
I doubt that. I'm 6 3 245 and I basically just rep 355 and that's not easy. And I'm 31.
Juice doesn't make a huge difference if you're not dedicated. It's not a miracle tonic
The fourth guy was huge
Sumo genetics + good mechanics = Overpowered
I'd also hypothesize that smaller people have lower core strength (due to smaller waists) so using a more upright sumo pull is more advantageous. Conversely, larger lifters (with their large power belly) can use that power in their lifts benefit rather than it being a weak point.
That’s a good hypothesis ! At least having a shoulder / waist ratio close to 1 should be benefical to conventional lifters since they have a relatively big core for their body, or at least the bigger the waist the better, whatever your shoulder witdh is