Deadlifts - Conventional and Sumo Explained!
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- Matt Wenning breaks down both conventional and sumo deadlifts. How to do them right, when to do them and the benefits of both.
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Quit Sumo because they say it's cheating. Start Sumo again because wenning said so.
If you hear people saying that then it's just arrogance. That would be like saying wide grip bench press is cheating compared to the close grip bench press. Each is a press, but each one helps train and hit muscles from a different angle. Same thing here with the Sumo and Conventional Deadlift.
@@golovinpropertyservices ignorance is the word you are looking for.. the 99% cannot even attain proper depth to begin a sumo (posterior chain dominant), let alone complete the pull.. you see all sorts of bullshit .. most commonly, knees way forward to compensate for weak hips, (improperly) making it a quad dominant movement.. just like on a botched box squat.. be assured, every single anti-sumo commentor has zerrrrrrro friggin clue what he/she is talking about re: anything powerlifting
@@golovinpropertyservices how abput the arch in the back whats your opinion on that
@@chuckobannon2975 If it's the arch in the back related to benching then a neutral arch is not an issue. The structure of the spine has a natural curve (arch), when people start pushing the arch to an unnatural degree then it's definitely a no-go in my opinion. Risking your body's health for a number to me seems ridiculous. Use good form and when your form starts lacking take a moment back and reflect on where and why.
@@golovinpropertyservices yeah i agree im more of its suppose to be a test of strength not how flexible you are i believe your elbows should at the least break parallel but also people need to do things the safest way possible to increase there longevity in the sport i wanna see it grow
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Thank you Matt
Love from India
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There’s a lot of people on here disagreeing with Matt and I’m 99% sure none of them have pulled what he has or coached lifters as successfully as he has
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Great stuff as always, Matt. Thanks for the effort behind these, I know it takes a LOT of time AND money, not to mention the decades of knowledge leading up to this point. MUCH Respect!
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This might be the most informative deadlift video I have seen. Thank you!
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Amazing instruction and introspection into the deadlift. Thanks mate.
Nice work. Wish I had this info 21yrs ago. Could have saved me a lot of pain
Yup!!!!
Matt, best explanation I've had about sump deadlifting. I'm going to try it in the morning! Thank you!!
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Cant thank you enough for sharing your knowledge big man! Youve helped me a ton
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Matt is the real deal. So happy I found this channel.
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Fantastic info and cues I have implemented so many of your tips and techniques in my own training and then apply them to my clients ! Thank you very much for the great videos , I enjoyed your Sumo DL presentation at SWIS and the bench press seminar at the last one ! Hopefully I can see you are at the next one !! Be well and thank you again for all your help .
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Another great video! Keep them coming sir.
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Awesome video. One of the best dead lift tutorials I’ve come across.
Just started playing with sumos this off season, and geez, it’s a different ball game. No hiding doing these.
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Fantastic video. Love the explanation with the visual at the same time 👏💪Definitely helps to hear and see at the same time. Thank you
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Great video Matt.
Awesome deadlift video. Very easy to understand.
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love these videos Matt. You keep it up bubba we appreciate you.
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I'm loving the sumo deadlift! Works better for me, because my knees tend to get in the way, which is not a problem I have with this particular technique.
I do both 6 months of conventional and 6 months of sumo! Just watch Dan Green and Kevin Oak! 💪🏽
So much wisdom in one video.
Thank you
Hell yea now just needs millions of views
well explained vid. Matt you are a wealth of knowledge. I wish I would of started sumo in the beginning.
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Very interesting! Will be trying this out next!
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Sumo cliff notes:
-Squat, don't bend, down to grab the bar
-Arms hang down straight vertical from shoulders, hands not too close on the bar
-Tighten the lats to keep the bar close
-Tighten the upper back & keep head up to keep the chest up throughout the lift
-Push through the heels & out through the knees to emphasize posterior chain & avoid quad/low back taking over
-Quads/posterior, hips/knees should act together as a single unit...should feel like a squat movement pattern
-Hips come forward to lift the bar.
-Like/subscribe bc Matt is awesome.
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Nice & straightforward. Thanks
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Thank you so much for these gems of knowledge 🙏.
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I'm glad I saw this video. It confirms what I feel when I do Sumo vs conventional I feel so much stronger and I really do feel my glutes and hamstrings working in sumo vs conventional deadlift but I do conventional deadlift always have to worry about my lower back
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Matt wenning thank you for these precious gems , these are the kind of videos the real lifters watch. The ones that aren't consumed with getting the most attention just want to educate
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This was an excellent video. Thanks
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Thanks. Can say my deadlift have improved so much 💗
Glad to help!!! Please share around
I hope you the best , thank you for everything .
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Thank you....Started working out after a long, long break (3 years) and was something was just off about my deadlifts.......Saw this 10 minute video before going for a workouttoday and I feel like I nailed it 🙂
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@@WenningStrength Haha...sure!
Great explanation 💪🏼
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Thanks for the info sir..please make an exclusive video about warmups (as u did for benching..3 exercises, 20-25 reps, 4 sets) to prime the main movers and also the accessory exercises for SUMO....
Love and respect from India
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Awesome video
Wish I saw your training video sooner 😏, thanks for the tips💪🏽
Please repost so others can see
I have always found that squatting down to begin the sumo is much easier on my back. But 90% of the videos have you bending the back forward to execute the lift. This video demonstrates it's still effective to squat down to begin the movement to keep upright vs. bending over. Thank You for posting...👍🙏
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Great tips Matt. I’ve noticed with tall athletes, hip mobility is key in order to get into proper position.
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Very good advices as always! the only thing I am not confortable with is the head too high at the start, for me this causes unnecessary tension at the base of the neck and watching myself in video lifting with the head neutral helps me maintaining all the back neutral, feels way better. But that's for me, is a personal preference.
If that were true I’d be dead
Great information.
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I never thought id give sumo deadlifts a try.
It's really hard learning the sumo deadlift and to really find yourself in it... I've been watching a lot of different videos and learned many things along the way... Including from this video. but what many people don't mention is how much rest is needed to actually be in shape, do a good traning session and progress from it.. I work as a car mechanic and my days on my job often reminds me of crossfit. When im done for the day i need food and i need rest from work before i have energy to even lift in the evening... while other people have desk jobs or don't even mention what they are working with or if they work at all.
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Excellent video
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It amazes me that there are people out there claiming that the Sumo DL is not a real DL or that it is cheating. At 6'6" Sumo DL's always felt more natural to me compared to the conventional way. Thank you for the great video. I am going to implement the Sumos back into my workouts.
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Great content as always.
It’s so good, even Conor McGregor @04:50 is collabing with Matt 💪🏻
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Never even thought about sumo till this video
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I do conventional👍 only deficit tho...i feel weird AF off the simple ground.
Converse all the way baby!
Recently switched to sumo, because of Matt
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Making the changes starting today!
Great info. So tired of keyboard warriors saying sumo is cheating.
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@@WenningStrength I was subscribed a couple years ago. It's been rough year and I haven't been lifting regularly. Might sign up again
Imagine doing yard work and you widen your stance to pick something up and someone yells ''Cheater''..
Nice.
Thank you
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I started watching all your videos about a month ago and I’ve set a new PR in bench(235) and deadlift(305) and going to do squats today. After only 3 weeks of trying to mimic your workouts. These r most definitely the best training tips on RUclips
Glad to help
Just got my converse in the mail. First time owning a pair. Time to sumo let’s get it!
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Thank you so much
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Thank you
tried to go too intense on deadlift and got a shocking bone pain around the sacrum. tried to do back squat before it healed and felt the same pain again. ill probably try some sumo tomorrow
Truth! Sumo technique will allow me to better prepare for my 460 kg Deadlift.
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Me: 4:50
Head up cue seems a bit off tbh
Nah it’s personal preference, watch Chinese oly lifters do pulls and they have their heads up
@@jakethebeast02 But its totally different position, clean and deadlift is different exercises
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I had to start pulling sumo because of hip mobility. I slipped a disk 4 days after my first meet (3 years ago at work)and Ive struggled with tightness and discomfort before, during, and after conventional pulls since. Recently I switched to sumo and I really hate myself for waiting so long to try.
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That's amazing video. I've been doing conventional and got to 4 plates but never done sumo. I think is about to time to give a try. Question is how to know when I have correct balance? If I do 4 plates on conventional so now it's better to work on sumo to reach 4 plates? Or I should sumo even more then conventional? Thanks!
I hurt my back several times while doing convy and stopped doing it altogether. I overcame them social media warriors and switched to sumo and man I could pull 315 for reps while my 1RM squat was 315. Now if I try convy, it's pretty close to my sumo.
@Gore4ever FulciLives 99% cannot even get depth wide stance, let alone hit a technical sumo dead.. ignorance
Ohh, man. I wish I had internet, youtube and your videos 32 year ago - when I started lifting...
Love it. Only thing that doesn't work for me is the squat down to position thing. I feel weaker like my muscles aren't primed and ready.
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Great information and video as always!! The fucking man
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Hi Matt my gym is kind of ghetto for strength training so I don't have anything to raise myself for deficit sumo deadlifts. So I started putting on max 25 lbs or 35 lbs plates on the bar to create the deficit. Just another way of doing the same thing.
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Damn wish I'd found your content years ago.
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I have a handful of colleagues who straight up reject the sumo as anything other than useless. I've found them extremely beneficial for my lower back and glutes after injuring my back 10 years ago.
Can’t fix stupid
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Hey Matt just bumped into this video despite it being out a couple years now so I'm not sure if you'll see this BUT with sumo when you bend your knees would you want to pull the slack out of the bar in the process? So that way you can build tension with your hams, glutes, and lats and put not only your body but also the bar in an advantageous position THEN pivot off the ground and meet the hips with the bar. Let me know what you think if you see this. Thanks!
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All the way from South African. We're led ✊
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That guy at 4:55 thinking "Aw man,he's gonna make me cheat now..." before knowing he's gonna get massively strong.
Any advice for foot direction? I see that the chap in the video has his hips rotated out wide while his feet face forward. The opposite I suppose of someone with "knock knees" who when they squat face their feet outwards but their hips are facing straight and thereby place stress on their inner side of their knees. This sometimes forces the knees to buckle inwards once the weights get heavy. Generally with squatting the idea is always to make the hips rotate outwards sufficiently to allow the knee to bend in line with the toes. Surely the same would apply to a sumo? With the technique I see in this video it looks to me like the stress will be placed on the a outer knee ligaments. You are pushing out but your feet are facing forward.
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Do both types of deadlift.
Both are effective.
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Matt. How far from the bar should the shins be when setting up for sumo?
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I've always thought neck and spine should be neutral on Conventional DL. On the Sumo DL should the hips and knee be aligned or should the hip be slightly higher than the knee?
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I have a quick question. In the sumo deadlift my hips shoot up a little bit first and my knees lock out a while before my hips. The same thing also happens in the squat where my hips shoot up out of the hole and I end up doing a good morning. Does this mean that my glutes and hamstrings are weak?
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I always heard from coaches to keep your neck neutral and aligned with spine. Keep yoyr weight balanced over mid foot (3 points) instead of heal ot toe. Can you explain how you compare your advice to the most advise out there in these two areas? Thanks
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I dont get why neck shouldnt be in line with spine, almost every strength coach I watched agree on this. Some say that head can be slightly up but not like girl in this video which looks like she is going to do clean & jerk. Any extra explanation on this?
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Great video as always. One question: when does he breathe? I assume he locks in a breath either when he's still standing or when he pulls the slack out of the bar. Then when does he release it and what about on the way down? That's why I'm trying to figure out in my own journey.
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@@WenningStrength I am actually! Just at a low tier that I can afford. I'll peruse the content more and find out about the breathing. My favorites are Technique Tuesdays.
Watched your vid with the airforce guys I'm now doing sumo 🤗👍
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@@WenningStrength think I have very weak adductors 🤗
Very common issue
@@WenningStrength you've got my Mrs who is a Chiropractor interested in what you are saying
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Always sandals.
Man, there is no one perfect way to do these movements. Everyone I see on RUclips has different techniques. Just do what feels right for YOU!
ricardo Ortega wrong
Agree. Chris Duffin teaches a hip hinge from the start, not a squat. Everyone has different views.
What’s his best squat in a meet??? Case closed
So should I start sumo deadlifting instead of conventional? Every once in a while I will sumo but mainly stick to conventional.
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How high should your deficit be for sumo deadlifts? I'm doing 3 inch deficit right now.
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After 6 years of sumo 1 day about a year ago I couldn't get the position right anything I tried didn't work tried conventional and it just felt right still confused why?
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How do you thicken the middle of your back?
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I see the person in the back ground walking backwards in the treadmill. What are the benefits of doing so Matt?
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You look 65% powerlifter and 45% bodybuilder lol. We all gonna make it brah.
I honestly can’t deadlift or squat heavy without hip pain and low back pain. An old injury that flares. Besides the belt squats and back extensions
Is there anything else I could do to produce that same nostalgia or feeling you get when you squat or deadlift? I find myself not enjoying training as much bc I can’t do these exercises in ways that I could before, if anyone has meaningful insight I’d appreciate it, if you’re gonna be a dick then gladly gfy.
What would you recommend as good warm up exercise for deadlift?
Deadlift at a lighter weight... trololol
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I've heard keep your head neutral, not up or down.. Ed Cohen
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is it ok to do deadlifts and squats on leg days?
Depends on the goals
I don’t agree with the head positioning, in my opinion the head should align with the spin when weightlifting so when deadlifting you should be looking no straight down but a little bit in front or ahead of you so you neck and spin are aligned. I think looking up can injure your neck while deadlifting because it can cause a jerking motion
Interesting- I guess I should be in a wheelchair along w tons of other world class pullers
Matt what’s your opinion on programming for novice lifters in a home gym? Starting Strength, StrongLifts, 5/3/1?
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This one is minimal equipment
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Head up?
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Guys I just realized this was upload on April 1st.. It's a April fools joke
Yeah, I question this advice.
CaptDantastic why do you disagree? Not saying you’re wrong but I’m interested to hear what your thoughts are.
@@zachturner5776 Bret Contreras provided a good argument for it. I think a more neutral spine is ergonomically stronger. Looking up seems to contravene healthy form too. Mark Rippetoe also advocates a more neutral head position. I seem to recall somewhere that looking up at that sharp an angle may be psychological beneficial, but it also has the potential to hurt your neck eventually. Imagine the "S" of your spine, braced and strong and supported, and then at the top of it, it is kinked up? I know it's not the most scientific explanation or description, but it always made sense to me this way.
Ya I disagree completely with head up
Zach Turner, head up is a good way to strain a trap or neck muscle if you are lifting heavy. I’m a little surprised he recommended doing that.
Those are the shiniest plates ive ever seen
What about wrestling shoes?
I am rethinking a lot of things based on your videos!