STOP TRYING TO BE UPRIGHT DURING SUMO DEADLIFTS

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  • @mattvena226
    @mattvena226  2 года назад +22

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    • @juandeadlift4457
      @juandeadlift4457 2 года назад

      MATT I NEED HELP… when doing sumo deadlift prs, once the bar passes knees, my body starts to tremble as if I’m losing balance. I heard I need to work on glute strength? Wanted to know your thoughts.

  • @mattvena226
    @mattvena226  2 года назад +177

    1st. Been a while since I made a long video! Maybe more if people like it

    • @heimtime_lifting
      @heimtime_lifting 2 года назад +15

      I like it Dad

    • @chaunceyxvi830
      @chaunceyxvi830 2 года назад +9

      @@heimtime_lifting Yeah what he said ^

    • @LikeToWatch77
      @LikeToWatch77 2 года назад +8

      Still shorter than 90 percent of other creators. Very efficient and effective.

    • @skeyron5387
      @skeyron5387 2 года назад +4

      Do it! Short videos don’t pay u shiiii in comparison get ur money

    • @cameronsizer8717
      @cameronsizer8717 2 года назад +2

      Please do. I think this is the first time I've commented on a RUclips video. So that should show you my desire to see more of your content.

  • @roguemaxify
    @roguemaxify 2 года назад +144

    This video is so informational, short, quick to the point and all good info I'm digging this kinda video! Could you possibly do the same video for squats, bench, etc?.
    Thanks for all you do

  • @chrism45
    @chrism45 2 года назад +4

    What I learned from this video is that there are white guys called Jammal

  • @beesmongeese2978
    @beesmongeese2978 2 года назад +77

    Thanks, this was exactly the issue that I was having.

    • @rob5158
      @rob5158 2 года назад +1

      same, sumo felt awful because I tried to go too low with my hips.

    • @SebLeng-x7q
      @SebLeng-x7q 2 года назад

      @@rob5158 me too - i was going way too low. I'm starting way way higher now and it feels awesome.

  • @seifashour1739
    @seifashour1739 2 года назад +39

    Thanks for the info, can you please make a long video/tutorial about low bar squats form and cues. And how to increase it.
    Thanks again i really appreciate the knowledge.

    • @mattvena226
      @mattvena226  2 года назад +25

      It’s planned! These long videos obviously take more time, and it’s way harder to get views on long videos than shorts so harder to grow the channel. Ad revenue for longer videos per view is higher, but accounting for the ease of views again it pretty much balances out, so effort vs reward shorts it way ahead. But I do want to make worthwhile content for people so when I have the time I will make longer videos

    • @byrospyro4432
      @byrospyro4432 2 года назад +1

      @@mattvena226 sometimes a longer video means more quality content and that can build more of a following, shorts are great and all but I prefer longer videos sometimes, especially on topics like form which sometimes need a little bit more of a longer explanation.

    • @cameronsizer8717
      @cameronsizer8717 2 года назад

      @@byrospyro4432 MPMD is a perfect example of long form videos creating a massive fan base to get revenue from. But the time involved and the frequency of uploads is unforgiving. I admit I found Matt through RUclips shorts. But I'm staying in hopes of longer content

  • @baloosd
    @baloosd 2 года назад +7

    do you use sumo or conventional when emptying the trash can?

  • @avargas000
    @avargas000 2 года назад +28

    This video honestly came at a perfect time. I’ve been trying out sumo for the passed week or so and today when I was doing deadlifts, the position I was in felt good and natural. But when I recorded myself and saw how high my hips were I thought I had to fix my form. Watching this though definitely helped with the concern I had about them

  • @boozbottle
    @boozbottle 2 года назад +15

    Agree. Always priortize proper hip height in the starting position over torso angle. So many novice sumo pullers see these super upright pullers and they naturally can't achieve this position without lower their hips into a poor starting position, and then they initiate the lift their hips rise, torso collapse then the bar moves. If you prioritize having high hips and torso will naturally be at the "optimal" position. Degrees of torso angle will always be affected by other factors like leverage (eg. arm length).

  • @TheBrownJumper
    @TheBrownJumper 2 года назад +2

    Or just stop sumo deadlifting it’s not a real deadlift

  • @Ronnock
    @Ronnock 2 года назад +9

    I'm glad you produced this video, because I just got into a discussion on sumo mechanics with a collegiate powerlifter, who suggested I do exactly the thing which you're rebuking in this video.
    To be clear, I perform a semi-sumo ("frog") stance, on account of an inexplicable inguinal hernia sensation I get from conventional, which I no longer perform.
    He suggested to me that I lower my hips and keep my shoulders directly on over the bar, basically executing a sumo squat with the bar in my hands.

    • @Ronnock
      @Ronnock 2 года назад +2

      Suffice it to say, I believed the position he proposed was still leas efficient on account of bar path relative to hip extension (as well as minimizing the ROM and muscle mass used).
      What do you think?

    • @chrisbarney1609
      @chrisbarney1609 2 года назад +4

      I get the same inguinal sensation with my conventional. Long femur short torso crew here

    • @Ronnock
      @Ronnock 2 года назад

      @@chrisbarney1609 whoa! Good to know I'm not the only one! Thank you for sharing and the solidarity!

    • @Ronnock
      @Ronnock 2 года назад

      @@chrisbarney1609 what do you do to work around it?

  • @redgouper9370
    @redgouper9370 2 года назад +1

    nothing more Canadian than having a trash can full of Tim Horton's cups in the background

  • @OptimalLeverage
    @OptimalLeverage 2 года назад +1

    Get your hips as low as you need to lock into your structural leverages “wedge.”

  • @Happy.Stupid.Neighbor
    @Happy.Stupid.Neighbor 2 года назад +1

    A very simple a possible explanation for people lowering their hips to artificially gain an upright posture, would be that the people they model it after have longer arms, and therefore shorter moment arms

  • @Nick-dq5fo
    @Nick-dq5fo 2 года назад +4

    Need more of these for sure

  • @SejerDalum
    @SejerDalum 2 года назад +4

    Great video!
    Another thing to point out is, that when people watch many elite sumolifters, they're usually pulling very heavy weight, sometimes with a very flexible bar & straps, which gives them a much shorter ROM off the floor, making it possible for the lifters to stay even more upright.

  • @WataMelun
    @WataMelun 2 года назад +1

    we like seeing Matt actually talking to the cam w/ body langurage.

  • @shemshem9998
    @shemshem9998 2 года назад +1

    i got a weird body though, when i sumo my hips rise to quite a high level before the lifteven starts, and its even worse for my reg deadlift, and its not like I'm lifting only with my back, I'm tall and I'm mostly legs, but weirdly enough my arms are still shorter in proportion to what they should be when you look at my legs, its wack. so i reach down really far down

  • @dumaland5701
    @dumaland5701 Год назад +1

    Thumbnails is just great memeing material

  • @jackwilliams8428
    @jackwilliams8428 2 года назад +1

    ayeee my question made a video thanks a lot matt!

  • @klickclack5362
    @klickclack5362 2 года назад +3

    I’ve been watching videos on this issue I have for hours. You literally couldn’t have explained it any better. Great video and thank you

  • @zoranagavrilovic9403
    @zoranagavrilovic9403 Год назад +1

    The thumbnail dude 😂

  • @jackdolezal9742
    @jackdolezal9742 2 года назад +1

    i have short ish arms and long femurs so my starting position is super high on conventional but i can externally rotate my hips a lot so sumo is much more efficient i have a video of me doing conventional and it was surprising to me how high my hips had to be

  • @jeffriggins9106
    @jeffriggins9106 2 года назад +2

    Good stuff ! Appreciate it

  • @Sithnix
    @Sithnix 2 года назад

    I think you’re forgetting that most upright lifters like Yousef jammal use deadlift bars which also helps to create a upright position with high hips

  • @JakeONeill
    @JakeONeill 2 года назад

    a good bio mechanical description of what is going on... !

  • @seanramirez3886
    @seanramirez3886 2 года назад +1

    I think also their hips are higher and torso more upright because of bend in the deadlift bar from pulling the slack out which is extreme at those loads. At least that’s what it looks like.

  • @RandomVideos-en2wv
    @RandomVideos-en2wv 2 года назад

    That's The Video I was Looking For Since 1.5 Months

  • @yourforklift1436
    @yourforklift1436 2 года назад

    I round my upperback. That way I can get longer arms and then lift more upright and lift more weight

  • @southerncooker05
    @southerncooker05 2 года назад

    Also you are literally supposed to be as upright as possible. The point is to use little to zero back

  • @112358miau
    @112358miau 2 года назад

    Bruh, that clip guy's legs are stupid long

  • @horseman3222
    @horseman3222 2 года назад +1

    Man, you are a treasure!

  • @sanjusimon1912
    @sanjusimon1912 4 месяца назад

    Oh my God, this could be lifechanging for me

  • @MatthieuAmherst
    @MatthieuAmherst 2 года назад +1

    U motivated me to pull sumo. . I've always done conventional due to discomfort. Gonna play wit it.

  • @Sbeatso
    @Sbeatso 2 года назад +2

    Just want to thank you for this video, helped me a lot in the understanding of where to be and what to feel before my pull. feels more repeatable now!

  • @decekfrokfr3mdx
    @decekfrokfr3mdx 2 года назад +1

    Thoughts on frog/semi-sumo deadlift stance? I am tall but have a long torso with short arms, so conventional doesn't suit me. I also have retroverted hips (so sumo is very uncomfortable). I feel best doing 'frog' stance - is this acceptable?

    • @tanthai3653
      @tanthai3653 2 года назад

      Its acceptable, matt uses frog stance

  • @thorwannabe6810
    @thorwannabe6810 2 года назад

    People gotta remember it's still a hip hinge movement

  • @TokiJStrm
    @TokiJStrm 2 года назад

    This video is way better than your shorts but you will probably get more views from shorts :/

  • @some1else735
    @some1else735 2 года назад

    watch jamal browner, and than this video. interesting

  • @skylinefan4420
    @skylinefan4420 2 года назад

    What would you recommend for people with really short arms?

  • @nathanwratchford7102
    @nathanwratchford7102 Год назад

    Why do my hip flexors tear when doing sumo?

  • @Ak-uj5jr
    @Ak-uj5jr 2 года назад

    Want to do it like Coach Greg , more like a sumo squat and not deadlift

  • @ronihalabi
    @ronihalabi 2 года назад

    Deadlift bar vs stiff also makes quite a difference

  • @jdh8931
    @jdh8931 2 года назад +2

    Thank you. I've been experimenting with sumo and felt aimless with stance width. And the better hip extension made so much sense.

  • @thepastrecedes1635
    @thepastrecedes1635 2 года назад +1

    This is good - please make longer videos

  • @PhotonGames
    @PhotonGames 2 года назад +1

    Congrats on 80k!

  • @Light-jr6yf
    @Light-jr6yf 2 года назад +2

    How long have you been training bro? You can sumo lift a lot and I can definitely tell you’re natural

    • @msl5212
      @msl5212 2 года назад

      "I can definitely tell you're natural",
      That's gonna hurt

    • @Light-jr6yf
      @Light-jr6yf 2 года назад

      @@msl5212 is he not natural?

    • @Light-jr6yf
      @Light-jr6yf 2 года назад

      He doesn’t look shredded or even ripped, he looks pretty normal with a nice aesthetic

    • @taibro3868
      @taibro3868 2 года назад

      @@Light-jr6yf he is huge 30 inch quads. He just isnt flexing in this vidro and not pumped. Also has a shiry on

    • @Light-jr6yf
      @Light-jr6yf 2 года назад

      @@taibro3868 but he’s not ripped or shredded

  • @Dangeousd
    @Dangeousd 2 года назад

    Can you do a video on trapbar deadlift please?

  • @zennar1537
    @zennar1537 2 года назад

    Beefy quads you got there son

  • @songlee962
    @songlee962 2 года назад +2

    Such a good video. How do you know if you’ve found your ideal positioning, or if you need to work on mobility to get there?

    • @mattvena226
      @mattvena226  2 года назад +6

      Generally just trial and error. For most people what is best for them will click pretty instantly. Exception if you have severe mobility restriction you can work on that. I like doing light paused deadlifts, forcing hips open. Find specific weighted work improves mobility better than just stretching

    • @x2lazy2die
      @x2lazy2die 2 года назад +1

      @@mattvena226 with deadlifts and bench i feel like theres a "feels good" and a "best for moving weight" sometimes they overlap but not always. wide grip benching still feels worse than a more modest grip width for me but the reduced ROM is just too much to pass up.

  • @gabem5340
    @gabem5340 2 года назад

    algorithm comment. great vid

  • @whiteou7.
    @whiteou7. Год назад

    The thumbnail is gold

  • @remytherat1357
    @remytherat1357 2 года назад

    the return of >1 min videos?

  • @prescriptionstrength9829
    @prescriptionstrength9829 2 года назад

    THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CALL PEOPLES SUMO OUT WITH “that’s just wide stance conventional” IS TO HIGH! Nice video

  • @ExsoLam
    @ExsoLam 2 года назад

    The first bit about degrees of freedom/dimensions, hip flexion, external rotation and abduction, and vertical displacement was entirely unclear to me. Vertical displacement of what? Why does the number of dimensions you use for analysis influence vertical displacement?

  • @craigcraig5695
    @craigcraig5695 2 года назад

    Are those marks on your shins from deadlifting? Been watching your stuff for a while but never noticed the marks. Keep it up bro!

  • @racebannon7355
    @racebannon7355 2 года назад +2

    Sumo not real deadlift

    • @spadesandaces4543
      @spadesandaces4543 2 года назад

      I understand how you feel but it counts in meets sumo deadlifts is acceptable however a 1-4 inch range of motion on the bench press is not unless you’re a toddler

    • @farbeyonddriven8001
      @farbeyonddriven8001 2 года назад

      Sub 3 plate deadlifter cope

    • @spadesandaces4543
      @spadesandaces4543 2 года назад

      @@farbeyonddriven8001 so it’s three plates bad now….

    • @farbeyonddriven8001
      @farbeyonddriven8001 2 года назад

      @@spadesandaces4543 Only if they cry about sumo pullers pulling more than them. Heres the thing: strong people do not care about sumo vs conventional.

    • @spadesandaces4543
      @spadesandaces4543 2 года назад

      @@farbeyonddriven8001 oh

  • @jeremiahmskowski9645
    @jeremiahmskowski9645 2 года назад

    If you take time and get better quality video and audio and camera angles, you can really start to blow up, because people will take you more seriously (for some reason quality of information can be overlooked these days because of the lack of quality in video)

  • @FuryGlove
    @FuryGlove 2 года назад

    After watching so many voiceovers it is so weird to actually see you talking. Great stuff as always, though!

  • @lifting_weab
    @lifting_weab 2 года назад

    Hey Matt how can I get my gf to do deadlifts? She doesn't even lift.

  • @Nathan-pm9gy
    @Nathan-pm9gy 2 года назад

    Excellent explanation

  • @sammy1995
    @sammy1995 2 года назад

    Good video. I think if you lower your hips too much you run the risk of squatting your deadlift and getting hip hike( hip extension that doesn't contribute to moving the bar) . If your hips are too high, your torso is more face down which makes an inefficient lift.

  • @claybowman1242
    @claybowman1242 2 года назад

    For all the arguments for and against sumo I don’t think it’s cheating for a powerlifter it’s like saying that having short arms means you’re cheating on the bench press but I will say the difference between glute gains to strength gain ratio makes conventional superior for body building for most people, a squat already covers this movement pattern for the most part so you leave a weak link by not training heavy hip flexion, if you love sumo and are a power builder rotate the two for maximum coverage and you’ll see carryover anyway.

  • @axelperez4624
    @axelperez4624 2 года назад

    I have a question, when I do sumo. At the end of the lift or during the set my hips have this pain but idk how I can stop the pain. Please help me

  • @ОгурчикКосмический

    Wait he can talk? 🤔

  • @x2lazy2die
    @x2lazy2die 2 года назад

    how long would u give an adjusted stance width/hip rotation before calling it quits? i have really good mobility. can ATG and max width sumo stance if i want to but i've only tried widening my stance for like 1-2 weeks and it still feels awkward. should i give it a full training cycle? i've tried widening by like 1-2 inch on each side but after 1-2 weeks i was still weaker and it still felt awkward

  • @Retro_Cosmos
    @Retro_Cosmos 2 года назад

    If it wasn’t for your thorough explanation I would say both forms appeared to look identical thank you for breaking it down!

  • @christopherseat9871
    @christopherseat9871 2 года назад

    Love this PODCAST and DEADLIFTING....Thankyou MATT VENA

  • @marktuason418
    @marktuason418 2 года назад +1

    How do you confront fear with heavy weights? I'm at a deadlift plateau and a big reason is I'm intimidated by the heavy weight at times

    • @marktuason418
      @marktuason418 2 года назад

      @@anonymouslykinda145 I'm talking about dealing with mental barriers with a certain weight

    • @x2lazy2die
      @x2lazy2die 2 года назад

      block pulls/pins/etc. is pretty good. even if ur not going the full ROM just lifting partial reps with super maximal loads helps train ur nervous system. as well as maybe just load the bar like crazy, unrack and re-rack. if ur body gets used to unracking like 300kgs then like a 220 isn't that scary and its relatively safe. this is commonly used in olympic weightlifting where ud see lifters unrack like 400-500kgs or even more. they're never going to C&J or snatch that much. if its a squat then u could just unrack/walk out with slightly higher than ur 1rm

    • @edi6722
      @edi6722 2 года назад

      I had this when I first tried maxing out on squat and I was just putting myself over the moon thinking I’m the best person on the planet which is what I do for other lifts now. Not sure how that works for other people but it’s good for me lol

  • @pops3554
    @pops3554 2 года назад

    Good stuff...!

  • @liftingcoffeebag1168
    @liftingcoffeebag1168 2 года назад

    good vid! tired of everyone trying to look like Jamal when they pull sumo. just because something look aesthetically pleasing doesn't mean it's the ideal technique for you (or almost anybody else)

  • @cuh5018
    @cuh5018 Год назад

    Good tips boss

  • @tomshepard9050
    @tomshepard9050 2 года назад

    it’s exactly what happens to me, that’s why I struggle at 180kg sumo, but can do 190-200 conven.

  • @dripshameless5605
    @dripshameless5605 2 года назад

    Thank you dude! Appreciate this vid especially

  • @basicmeme1040
    @basicmeme1040 2 года назад +1

    Danny grisby basically falls backwards

  • @DoctorMisterSexy
    @DoctorMisterSexy 2 года назад

    Nice info all try it thanks

  • @vattmena8488
    @vattmena8488 2 года назад +3

    Hey Matt,
    Hey what ups 😎

  • @MichaelWarrenPerform
    @MichaelWarrenPerform 2 года назад

    We share a lot of philosophies

  • @MP-im7un
    @MP-im7un 2 года назад

    How do you find the optimal amount of rotation?

  • @bryanenty8385
    @bryanenty8385 2 года назад

    Wow this was actually suuppper helpful

  • @JamalPollok
    @JamalPollok 2 года назад

    Incredibly informative.

  • @gainzgrace1458
    @gainzgrace1458 2 года назад

    Thanks for the insight! I feel the same applies for conventional

  • @Waruto
    @Waruto 2 года назад

    dropping that knowledge for us. Thank you :)

  • @tikiortaka
    @tikiortaka 2 года назад

    Thank You Matt. Learning everyday.

  • @saikyouabe
    @saikyouabe 2 года назад

    Long video rocks! Very cool to see an educational demonstration from you instead of just going full speed for reps. Impressive but when you explain the step by step it's more engaging

  • @NikolaTeslaEE
    @NikolaTeslaEE 2 года назад

    Will switching to sumo really save one’s back? I’m am older lifter; I’d like to be in the lifting game for a long time.

    • @thalloutboy
      @thalloutboy 2 года назад +2

      Sumo deadlifts don’t work the back as much, which is where this view comes from. That being said, conventional deadlifts with proper load management and form won’t destroy your back either.

  • @DesoculpadosGamer
    @DesoculpadosGamer 2 года назад

    hey matt i have a question for you i'm trying to deadlift again after seeing your videos, after a long break and i just hit the 90kg mark for 5x5, but my knees keep bending backwards in hyperextention when i lockout it doesn't hurt but feels awkward as fuck for my stability, is this a problem?

  • @Yurickxx
    @Yurickxx 2 года назад

    More videos like this! keep the good work

  • @jonathankwok4874
    @jonathankwok4874 2 года назад

    More content like this. Great educational content while being concise and informative.

  • @carnac333
    @carnac333 2 года назад

    Extremely good content!!!

  • @Dolchanggabbana
    @Dolchanggabbana 2 года назад

    Need more! Thank u

  • @poptartkilla3718
    @poptartkilla3718 2 года назад

    Awesome video, digging this longer format style! you’re super knowledgeable, never heard of the 300% extra on the knees thing. Thanks!! 🙏🏾

  • @kozmo7
    @kozmo7 2 года назад

    Been following you for awhile, loving the hands on tutorial style video, you know your stuff!

  • @thealmightyoragutan612
    @thealmightyoragutan612 2 года назад

    Sumo is the incline bench of Deadlifts

  • @brendygram
    @brendygram 2 года назад

    Jesus, DL is such a pain haha

  • @oskaribrooks9723
    @oskaribrooks9723 2 года назад

    Thank you for this video! I've been trying to figure out how to pull sumo and especially what to do with my hips.

  • @jonahmishaga1995
    @jonahmishaga1995 2 года назад

    Love the content Matt keep it up

  • @donovanhendrix9857
    @donovanhendrix9857 2 года назад

    what are you filiming in? is that a gym? a construction site? there's a pallet jack in the background and sheet wood. No hate just curious

    • @mattvena226
      @mattvena226  2 года назад +1

      Warehouse of my sponsor (equipment company). Gyms are closed for omnicron where I am

    • @ezrajames8238
      @ezrajames8238 2 года назад

      @@mattvena226 just 2 more weeks bud. Enjoy what you voted for :)

    • @farbeyonddriven8001
      @farbeyonddriven8001 2 года назад

      @@ezrajames8238 What?

  • @juanperezwar8748
    @juanperezwar8748 2 года назад

    Thank you Matt this helps a lot.

  • @thomasredulla1971
    @thomasredulla1971 2 года назад +1

    What if you have shorter arms?

    • @mohammadlehmeidi7179
      @mohammadlehmeidi7179 2 года назад

      Round your back to shorten the moment arm

    • @thomasredulla1971
      @thomasredulla1971 2 года назад

      So is rounding okay? Cuz all Ik is that its frowned upon

    • @psv.jr_pl
      @psv.jr_pl 2 года назад

      @@thomasredulla1971 I think he meant round the upper back a bit