@@Luminary2024 almost certainly yes. Just measure the oil level on a regular basis. If it doesn't get past 20% or so, try replacing the oil level sensor. If you still have the problem after that, it's time to replace the pump.
@@Syncopia Plus the small series 2-door had gained about 1500 pounds over the course of the last 40 years. Despite desperate weight saving measures, such as all the plastics. How much heavier does anyone want a sporty car to be.
Hi Kevin, great video! For people running the JB4 I've added oil pressure as a logging channel starting in v25 B58 firmware. If we can get a consensus for how oil pressure looks before the pump itself fails we can have the JB4 just monitor for that all the time in the background then warn people ahead of time. Having to change your oil pump sucks but having it take out the whole motor is a really bad day. - Terry
Had a friend of mine with a 2020 2-port Supra and a broken pump. Telltale sign was 100psi of oil pressure no matter what the car was doing. His tuner caught it in a log.
Even if you are not able to measure your oil level it does not need to mean that the pump is broken. These are the two issue that I've encountered myself and nearly gave me a heart attack thinking that it was the pump. 1. Bad oil filter. There are two designs of oil filters that are available for purchase. -OEM type. The bottom o-ring is fully supported. - cheap one. The bottom o-ring is only supported with little plastic tabs which allow the o-ring to stretch under pressure and fail. If that happens the oil pressure will drop as the engine gets up to temperature. It will read less than 2 bar on idle, even though it would normally be 2.5 bar. But it has no effect on the pressure under load. 2. The tune. I never though it may potentially affect it. But I've recently have had an issue where I haven't been able to measure the oil level and the pressure while measuring the oil would read above 3.3 bar. I was 100% sure that my pump was failing. But it only started happening after last MHD update. I didn't correlate these two at first, but then the MHD released another update and the issue went away. Strangely, MHD did not mention it in their path notes. Now, if you are wondering why oil pump and oil pressure affect the oil measuring procedure. For the measuring process to complete the oil pressure must remain at 3 bar throughout the process(+/- 0.25 bar). If it exceeds that range the process will stop and it won't give you any info why. Hope it saves someone hair from going grey:)
my bm3 tuned 2020 m340i hasn't read the oil level for 2 years lol. I did just update to the latest tune version so I'll see if it reads now. also my oil analysis hasn't been great but not horrible either. switched to api sp 5w30 about 10k miles ago and seems to be better.
@ have u ever tried checking your oil pressure to see if it was too high when the read fails cause i heard it has to be a certain temp and if the psi is too high it will fail
Kern for president 2024. That intro furthered my belief that this man is a natural treasure 😂 I’d have no other man spearhead b58 research and represent our community.
Clarifying one thing: People are saying that the internals are metal now. However, I haven't seen one torn down with metal internals. Makes me wonder what (if anything) actually changed. Also makes me curious since I can't find an old vs new part number if that actually happened. That's why I think maybe there was just an issue with the plastic due to contamination, maybe voids in the plastic making it weaker, etc. We'll see as more info comes to light.
I was gunna ask if the gen 1 pump is any different or why they don’t seem to have this issue. But that bad batch of plastic theory would also explain that. Also please do a video on how the oil reading works!
@@kern417 Also we would need more information. Does this tend to happen on manual or auto transmission models more? Hint: extreme downshift-to-engine-break syndrome instant rpm-spike. Does this tend to happen in cold or warm climates more?
@@mrtopcat2OCI would be a valuable datum also. When chain guides were failing in the early 90s, longer OCI seemed to be a greater risk than shorter OCI.
The ‘plastic’ part is made of duroplast and has been since the n55 so I wouldn’t say the the b58tu is the only ones with plastic adjustment rings, the likelihood is that there was a defect with a specific production run either a material or manufacturing issue. I would also assume that adverse driving conditions will have an effect as the engine goes through multiple heat cycles. Great work explaining the system btw everything you said on the map controlled operation was spot on.
Talked to Stephan Papadakis at a Formula D event and they disabled volumetric features of the oil pump due to oil pressure drops in deferent conditions when they were first developing the b58 for competition. I wonder if that's how they have had a reliable oil system with an engine living on the Rev limiter under high load.
As an engine builder I never use these type of oil pumps. A simple oil pump that can provide a proper amount of volume at proper pressure can always provide less volume at the proper pressure by using a return system such as a spring loaded bypass. Simple is reliable. Not a fan of variable oil pumps. Best of luck! Great video!
Variable pumps save some fuel. I think that’s why they are used. Fuel economy is quite important in most European countries because of taxing schemes. Here in the Netherlands for example, a large and not very efficient car will cost at least €50k extra. Unfortunately all these added systems increase the chances of something failing.
I had code 1c0101 which did not cause a CEL but I was hitting near 120psi when the pump was in emergency mode. The dme controls the oil pressure relief valve and in my experience it’s usually around 4-12% duty cycle. When the pressure requested by the dme does not match the actual pressure the duty cycle drops to 0% and the valve is wide open which causes the oil pressure to go up with rpm. I found out that if you stop the car and try to measure the oil level the pressure control valve starts operating again and it will repeat the cycle of going into emergency mode when the pressure is out of tolerance.
Happy and sad I found this video. I recently changed the oil in my 2019 G05 x5 40i and it will not complete an oil level measurement, failing at 20%. I guess I’m screwed lol
Try replacing the oil level sensor. That's what my problem ended up being on the same car with same symptoms. I actually did the pump too because I wanted the peace of mind, but my pump's internals were just fine when I tore it down and inspected. It did have plastic internals though (adjustor/stator).
Very informative and to the point. BMW should get right with the owners now because this is a dead bang loser for BMW when someone files a class action suit.
Is their a diffrent oil pump on the gen 1 and gen 2 with ztk option? I’m going to guess it’s harmonics and temperature causing cracks. It can happen to metal too. Coyotes have similar issues. Oil pump is metal but the gears can shatter if you bounce off the rev limiter too much.
Vane rotary pumps are typically used as air pumps. You will see them in garage compressors. Oil pumps utilize a trochoidal (geared) pump that is why an engine or transmission that is run without oil will break up the pump. BMW using vane pumps is reinventing the wheel and these pumps are guaranteed to fail. Not popular.
While chasing a separate issue I was having with my 2020 M40i (Oct2019), BMW replaced mine while I was still under warranty, when the car was around 2.5 years old, so prob summer of 2022. Never had any sort of issue that I was aware of, but I was told that it was making noise. I have had issues with reading oil level, even after the replacement, so I'm not sure what that's all about. Hopefully the one they installed was the newer version.
@@No-vj5or Unfortunately, get used to it. Every car manufacturer has them in some form. You either lease and lease-return within the warranty period. Or you invest in fixing them on your own. Although according to my experiences, with the time, effort and money on tools and parts spent, it is a wash. Regardless, I prefer the latter.
@@Zurdo_Grease some these comments say its normal for it to go a bit over 100 on wot but if its high or low on idle then that’s a issue idk tho i’ve never had a problem i always do my oil changes every 3k miles or so
@@sphinxore4499 Has nothing to do with oil. It was a bad batch of oil pumps with faulty plastic seals. If you have a gen2 B58 built 2021 and later you will be fine. The problem was with 2019 and 2020 vehicles.
Don’t buy BMW. BMWs have constantly convert every single part into plastics. And BMW always use the worst quality plastics. They fail right after the warranty finishes.
Do these carry over to the S58? I see they seem to have the same oil pump with a secondary booster. Curious if it is a shared (bigger) issue than just b58
I have been getting a "stop carefully: engine oil pressure low" about once every 2 months. 2019 b58. This happens when driving on the highway. Pulling over and restarting the car works. it wont come back for months. Nothing too wrong yet, car makes great power and feels great. Any help greatly appreciated.
Replace the pump! Or try measuring the oil level when engine is warmed up. If it doesn't get past 20%, that should be your sign to definitely do the pump. $3.5k to replace the pump (indy) is much better than grenading your engine.
I have a 2020 model year (built early 2019, received August 2019) gen 1 M240i. This sounds like it could affect my car. Are there any aftermarket options being worked on?
@loxxrider that's the thing if you try looking for the pump with the metal internals it's almost nearly impossible to find. Factory build part numbers and the part number itself are different yet it's the same plastic components
1. So I assume the B48 engine is affected too? 2. I would think you would get a low pressure light immediately if you lose pressure, right? 3. I would like to see real numbers of failed pumps. 4. How much to just get a new pump installed?
Hello gents! I’m a new BMW owner, as in my first BMW - 2020 X5 w/m package has 87k miles. Just started looking for BMW shops for maintenance and perhaps performance in my area. Should I be concerned with this issue, any other issues first before doing MHD stage 1 ?
It is best to take things with a grain of salt. Among others, I have a B58 too. I know about the ‘supposed’ oil filter disintegration, yet never had an issue. I always inspected my removed OEM oil filters, the same filters that people were complaining about. They were robust as it can be. Even the paper element alone was like a rock. So then why all those bad stories and examples? My guess is that it is either the occasional bad luck, or some people are ‘forgetting’ to mention some ‘key details’. Things are probably very similar with this oil pump issue. Can it happen? Apparently yes. Is it a wide spread problem? Unlikely. Are there many other possible pitfalls? You bet. But why worry about things that may or may not happen? Enjoy you vehicle.
as someone with a 2020 m340i that just went stage 1 mhd this is what I learned. I thought stage 1 would be easy and wouldnt need much support but I learned when I went with the 91 tune the 91 gas around me is trash and the car did not like it (logs), I tried mixing a little E85 to it and it improved but I just ended up going with the E40 tune and it loved it. Then I started making more tq than the car liked so now I need xhp to support it. Another thing now I need to do is my motor mounts which I hear is a popular issue with my car (the increased tq obv didnt help lmao). The car runs good but I thought stage 1 would be pretty simple but I learned a lot through the process just make sure all your maintenance is good and up to date.
To understand this better, my 2019 M40i has the 1st gen B58. Its not a TU engine as those started in 2020 X3 M40i models. Im assuming my oil pump is safe?
What planet are you from ? Bmw has always been having this issue . Wtf ! It’s either loose oil pump nut eating rod bearing or coolant loss blowing head gasket . You called that robust ? Must be one of them guys who just put gas in the car and go ?
Thank you for the video, but its a bit alarming. You really should go into detail around which B58s have this issue, there are a ton of variants of the B58. Early generations, and post 2019s seem to be OK (the 2023+ with the cylinder deactivation is a whole other video, we'll save that for a later date) Someone really needs to dive into what chassis use what B58, and then determine which oil pumps are in them. B58 in 540 G30 was 10/2015 to 08/2018. Oil pump is 11417643046, doesn't appeared to have changed revisions. B58C in 540 was 08/2018 to ????. Oil pump part number is 11418646453, revised part #11419895359 (B58C is mainly one with the concern) There is another oil pump, part # 11418646454 that is used in 7 series, 8 series, X5, X6 and X7. Those also use the B58C. Unsure where that pump stands. 3 series G20 uses a specific pump, part 11419895359 which is revised part number per my research (so many damn oil pumps, sheesh BMW) Lastly, more info on a software update to resolve some oil pump issues: static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCRIT-21V598-2797.pdf
Does anyone know if a 2016 F30 340i has an aux battery? I'm getting codes that coincide with a failing one. If so, where is it located. I've looked everywhere and can't find it. Thank you in advance.
Why can't I find a video showing details on how to replace the B58 oil pump? Must be something serious because I can't find anything. Heard it was $3,000 done by dealer. You have to drop the whole engine or something?
On the Supra the most complicated part is dropping the front subframe, you have to support the engine, not drop it. The pump is in the oil pan, easily removable, it's just tedious to get to it
It's a lot of work, so I suspect most people let an indie do it. Dealers quote around 8k for the work because the labor hours are like 26 hours or something like that by the book. Parts cost is around $1500 (pump is $600, but there are a ton of single use bolts that have to be replaced, etc.). I had a few indies quote around $3500 which I think is a fair price for doing the job. I ended up doing it myself, but wouldn't recommend it unless you're very good at wrenching as it's a very in depth procedure, and if you get something wrong the risk is high that you can get hurt, or will have oil leaks, etc.
This comment is at least 10 years out of date. Alike, when people claimed that Japanese cars were bad. Made in China THESE DAYS is MOSTLY a synonym for TOP quality. Additionally, many technical research papers are increasingly originating in China.
Plastics came long way though. There are literally thousands of formulas. One of my vehicles has some 25 year old vinyl-alike injector lines, running in a high heat area - and still as strong and good as new. Same story with vinyl-alike intake manifolds. Just keeps going like the Energizer bunny.
@@dcrasta You started out on a wrong premise already (O-Rings) and continue to disregard new developments and related R&D. Think what O-Rings are made of. Then check how many different type of O-Ring base materials exist and their intended applications. Same goes for plastics. They can be tailored to have specific properties as desired. Best example is the ‘plastic’ oil cooler housings. People come up with tails about them leaking. Really? It is the seals that are leaking and they do so on metal or plastic oil coiler housings regardless. If you don’t believe it, try to make one crack. I bet you cannot. They are strong as steel. Last but not least, I trust you understand that I am just trying to help you. I get where you are coming from. I have been there done that as well. But then I started looking into this more. Last straw was exactly the oil cooler housing, which is as mentioned, practically indestructible.
@@mrtopcat2 Applications matters. I retort - rubber timing belts in oil baths fail. Also BMW notoriously fail with plastic parts , radiators etc. I won't argue my opinion. It's just an opinion, don't be triggered by an opinion.
@@dcrasta I have been trying to be helpful. If I was trying to be sarcastic, I would have only wrote one replied word to your original statement: "O-Rings". So I am unsure why you would think that I am triggered. Having said all that, your initial comment was a very much a statement and no opinion. As far as timing or rubber belts in oil bath go, some no longer fail either. The Duramax 3.0 has an oil submerged, rubber belt driven oil pump. Like I said from the beginning, there is a lot of engineering going into materials these days.
Typical BMWs, they leak and they have plastic components everywhere that cracks right after the warranty expires. In other words these cars are not designed to last past the warranty period.
The German’s fetish for plastic is annoying. I understand that they want to save money, but for what they charge it’s inexcusable to say the least. How can the Japanese put high quality ALL METAL oil pumps in their engines yet the ultimate driving machines can’t?!?? I guess the Japanese vehicles are the ultimate reliable cars.
Without trying to be a fanboy, I am going out on a limb and say that this may be far more about weight savings than cost. While it is common to refer to these components as plastic, many of these are actually high tech, trademarked materials with lot's of R&D and related amortization costs. In many instances (OK, maybe not in this one), nearly as strong as metal.
@@LeverPhile Exactly. 40 years ago, a 1984 BMW 325e used to weight about 2500 pounds. Today’s 440i weighs about 4000 pounds; and that even with weight saving measures such as plastic components and not even a spare tire. Imagine how much heavier the car would be without them.
The ‘plastic’ part is made of duroplast and has been since the n55 so I wouldn’t say the the b58tu is the only ones with plastic adjustment rings, the likelihood is that there was a defect with a specific production run either a material or manufacturing issue. I would also assume that adverse driving conditions will have an effect as the engine goes through multiple heat cycles. Great work explaining the system btw everything you said on the map controlled operation was spot on.
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Come kern you kno the truth let’s talk about that little chump change it not worth ur rep brother your a good dude 😎
Does my 2019 x5xdrive40i have the bad oil pump?
@@Luminary2024 almost certainly yes. Just measure the oil level on a regular basis. If it doesn't get past 20% or so, try replacing the oil level sensor. If you still have the problem after that, it's time to replace the pump.
I think we should remove BMW's plastic parts priviliges.
They’ve been doing this for years. It will never change. They make lease cars.
@@Syncopia It is a trend across all manufacturers.
@@mrtopcat2it was a trend. Now it is standard procedure. 😢
@@Syncopia Plus the small series 2-door had gained about 1500 pounds over the course of the last 40 years. Despite desperate weight saving measures, such as all the plastics. How much heavier does anyone want a sporty car to be.
There is got to be someone that can fabricate parts to replace plastic parts it’s a shame beautiful cars
Hi Kevin, great video! For people running the JB4 I've added oil pressure as a logging channel starting in v25 B58 firmware. If we can get a consensus for how oil pressure looks before the pump itself fails we can have the JB4 just monitor for that all the time in the background then warn people ahead of time. Having to change your oil pump sucks but having it take out the whole motor is a really bad day. - Terry
Had a friend of mine with a 2020 2-port Supra and a broken pump. Telltale sign was 100psi of oil pressure no matter what the car was doing. His tuner caught it in a log.
JB = Just Broken
@@dustwhynmines only 100 plus when in sport and stepping on it heavy
@@Spaz0768 He meant the pressure will be high even on idle, not while pushing the car where it will be high naturally.
Even if you are not able to measure your oil level it does not need to mean that the pump is broken. These are the two issue that I've encountered myself and nearly gave me a heart attack thinking that it was the pump.
1. Bad oil filter. There are two designs of oil filters that are available for purchase.
-OEM type. The bottom o-ring is fully supported.
- cheap one. The bottom o-ring is only supported with little plastic tabs which allow the o-ring to stretch under pressure and fail.
If that happens the oil pressure will drop as the engine gets up to temperature. It will read less than 2 bar on idle, even though it would normally be 2.5 bar. But it has no effect on the pressure under load.
2. The tune. I never though it may potentially affect it. But I've recently have had an issue where I haven't been able to measure the oil level and the pressure while measuring the oil would read above 3.3 bar. I was 100% sure that my pump was failing. But it only started happening after last MHD update. I didn't correlate these two at first, but then the MHD released another update and the issue went away. Strangely, MHD did not mention it in their path notes.
Now, if you are wondering why oil pump and oil pressure affect the oil measuring procedure. For the measuring process to complete the oil pressure must remain at 3 bar throughout the process(+/- 0.25 bar). If it exceeds that range the process will stop and it won't give you any info why.
Hope it saves someone hair from going grey:)
mines never is able to read had the car for 11 months now i am stage 2 e rn but it does tell me when i need to add oil test always fails at 18 percent
Great information!
I really hope that’s what mine needs😭😭
my bm3 tuned 2020 m340i hasn't read the oil level for 2 years lol. I did just update to the latest tune version so I'll see if it reads now. also my oil analysis hasn't been great but not horrible either. switched to api sp 5w30 about 10k miles ago and seems to be better.
@ have u ever tried checking your oil pressure to see if it was too high when the read fails cause i heard it has to be a certain temp and if the psi is too high it will fail
Kern for president 2024. That intro furthered my belief that this man is a natural treasure 😂 I’d have no other man spearhead b58 research and represent our community.
Clarifying one thing: People are saying that the internals are metal now. However, I haven't seen one torn down with metal internals. Makes me wonder what (if anything) actually changed. Also makes me curious since I can't find an old vs new part number if that actually happened. That's why I think maybe there was just an issue with the plastic due to contamination, maybe voids in the plastic making it weaker, etc. We'll see as more info comes to light.
I was gunna ask if the gen 1 pump is any different or why they don’t seem to have this issue. But that bad batch of plastic theory would also explain that. Also please do a video on how the oil reading works!
From the Supra/Toyota side of the house, previous part iterations are:
15100-WAA01
15100-WAA02
New part is:
15100-WAA03
Please be aware that replacement parts may not be the same as the factory installed parts.
@@kern417 Also we would need more information. Does this tend to happen on manual or auto transmission models more? Hint: extreme downshift-to-engine-break syndrome instant rpm-spike. Does this tend to happen in cold or warm climates more?
@@mrtopcat2OCI would be a valuable datum also. When chain guides were failing in the early 90s, longer OCI seemed to be a greater risk than shorter OCI.
The ‘plastic’ part is made of duroplast and has been since the n55 so I wouldn’t say the the b58tu is the only ones with plastic adjustment rings, the likelihood is that there was a defect with a specific production run either a material or manufacturing issue. I would also assume that adverse driving conditions will have an effect as the engine goes through multiple heat cycles. Great work explaining the system btw everything you said on the map controlled operation was spot on.
Talked to Stephan Papadakis at a Formula D event and they disabled volumetric features of the oil pump due to oil pressure drops in deferent conditions when they were first developing the b58 for competition. I wonder if that's how they have had a reliable oil system with an engine living on the Rev limiter under high load.
As an engine builder I never use these type of oil pumps. A simple oil pump that can provide a proper amount of volume at proper pressure can always provide less volume at the proper pressure by using a return system such as a spring loaded bypass. Simple is reliable. Not a fan of variable oil pumps. Best of luck! Great video!
Variable pumps save some fuel. I think that’s why they are used. Fuel economy is quite important in most European countries because of taxing schemes.
Here in the Netherlands for example, a large and not very efficient car will cost at least €50k extra.
Unfortunately all these added systems increase the chances of something failing.
I run my car hard and sometimes it ask me to put two quarts in. My coolant as well but otherwise, nothing happens.
@@filonizYou are losing large amounts of coolant and lubrication in a short period of time and you are not concerned?
This made way more sense than what I was reading in the forms. The images of the pump and explanation really helped, thanks!
I had code 1c0101 which did not cause a CEL but I was hitting near 120psi when the pump was in emergency mode.
The dme controls the oil pressure relief valve and in my experience it’s usually around 4-12% duty cycle. When the pressure requested by the dme does not match the actual pressure the duty cycle drops to 0% and the valve is wide open which causes the oil pressure to go up with rpm. I found out that if you stop the car and try to measure the oil level the pressure control valve starts operating again and it will repeat the cycle of going into emergency mode when the pressure is out of tolerance.
so is over 100psi bad when driving?
How come there no action law suit or even resolution from BMW? they should replace FOC for all affected b58s.
Uncle Kern thanks for the content. Love the opening.
So the oil pump on the B58 1st gen is not a problem?
Yeah can we get an answer for this one lol
@kern417 Where's this answer at?
Commenting to get the answer to this
@@wummrs he said its mostly early TU cars from 2019-2020 that have the issue
@@JPDenali thanks bro
Happy and sad I found this video. I recently changed the oil in my 2019 G05 x5 40i and it will not complete an oil level measurement, failing at 20%. I guess I’m screwed lol
Try replacing the oil level sensor. That's what my problem ended up being on the same car with same symptoms. I actually did the pump too because I wanted the peace of mind, but my pump's internals were just fine when I tore it down and inspected. It did have plastic internals though (adjustor/stator).
I have 2020 sdrive40. Please post back here what you find.
@@rocomilano1396 it was the oil pump.
@@Lil_Kiwi888how did you test it?
Very informative and to the point. BMW should get right with the owners now because this is a dead bang loser for BMW when someone files a class action suit.
Great info as always , thanks !
2020 M340I (5/19 build date) approaching 60k miles I got it at 42k no issues with it so far🤞
lol hoping my m440 doesnt start having issues now that i crossed into 50k
Mines is at 70k and I'm getting high psi symptoms. On idle it goes up to 50psi and on full throttle it goes up to 116 psi
That’s the same issue ..
Ty for making this Video. Im also intrested how the oil level works.
Is their a diffrent oil pump on the gen 1 and gen 2 with ztk option? I’m going to guess it’s harmonics and temperature causing cracks. It can happen to metal too. Coyotes have similar issues. Oil pump is metal but the gears can shatter if you bounce off the rev limiter too much.
My understanding was that the early gen 2 with the ztk came with the improved oil pump, it's the non ztk that's the issue
My 2021 M340I was built in July 2020. Does this issue affect my car?
Your done … really soon
I have a 2019 x5xdrive40i, I’m guessing I have the bad one based on what you said?
My 540xi is on the way any advice?
Vane rotary pumps are typically used as air pumps. You will see them in garage compressors. Oil pumps utilize a trochoidal (geared) pump that is why an engine or transmission that is run without oil will break up the pump. BMW using vane pumps is reinventing the wheel and these pumps are guaranteed to fail. Not popular.
While chasing a separate issue I was having with my 2020 M40i (Oct2019), BMW replaced mine while I was still under warranty, when the car was around 2.5 years old, so prob summer of 2022. Never had any sort of issue that I was aware of, but I was told that it was making noise. I have had issues with reading oil level, even after the replacement, so I'm not sure what that's all about. Hopefully the one they installed was the newer version.
so are the pre tu b58 metal or are they still plastic adjuster plz , i have a 2018 m240i and in uk
Whew!! So the original B58 so far not affected i have a 2017 540i.
these problems are absolutely ridiculous for how much these sticker prices are. please respond to more of these comments.
@@No-vj5or Unfortunately, get used to it. Every car manufacturer has them in some form.
You either lease and lease-return within the warranty period. Or you invest in fixing them on your own.
Although according to my experiences, with the time, effort and money on tools and parts spent, it is a wash. Regardless, I prefer the latter.
My B58 Gen1 Does this since i bought it … It does when i drive it hard then i check it stop az certain percentage , if i wait little it measures it 🤷
can you do a video on what the pressure is supposed to be when the car is idling or at high rpms
Its supposed to be 30-40 psi on idle and on WOT it's supposed to be 70-80 if it's at 100 psi on WOT it's time to change the oil pump
@ what do you use to read the oil psi mines around 43 at idle and 90 to 100 on sport plus never got an oil light before or nun
@Spaz0768 same bro I use MHD and the other day when I was hitting WOT on sport plus, I got the code 1c0101 and 1c0201
@Spaz0768 I use mhd to read the psi. I did get 1c0101 and 1c0201 but no codes that states low oil pressure
@@Zurdo_Grease some these comments say its normal for it to go a bit over 100 on wot but if its high or low on idle then that’s a issue idk tho i’ve never had a problem i always do my oil changes every 3k miles or so
What oil should I use to prevent oil pump failure?
@@sphinxore4499 Has nothing to do with oil. It was a bad batch of oil pumps with faulty plastic seals. If you have a gen2 B58 built 2021 and later you will be fine. The problem was with 2019 and 2020 vehicles.
Did you not watch the first 30 seconds of the video?
@@day4061 I'm joking
Don’t buy BMW.
BMWs have constantly convert every single part into plastics. And BMW always use the worst quality plastics. They fail right after the warranty finishes.
Fresh synthetic with OEM filters
Do these carry over to the S58? I see they seem to have the same oil pump with a secondary booster. Curious if it is a shared (bigger) issue than just b58
It does have oil pressure problem that’s why those motor eats rod bearing
I have been getting a "stop carefully: engine oil pressure low" about once every 2 months. 2019 b58. This happens when driving on the highway. Pulling over and restarting the car works. it wont come back for months. Nothing too wrong yet, car makes great power and feels great. Any help greatly appreciated.
Replace the pump! Or try measuring the oil level when engine is warmed up. If it doesn't get past 20%, that should be your sign to definitely do the pump. $3.5k to replace the pump (indy) is much better than grenading your engine.
Oil pressure low is serious. You need to have that looked at.
@@chrisbradley3224 thanks chris bradley
N52 and n62 were the first to get those volumetric oil pump
I have a 2020 model year (built early 2019, received August 2019) gen 1 M240i. This sounds like it could affect my car. Are there any aftermarket options being worked on?
Just get the oem pump with the metal internals. I would not go aftermarket on a part like this.
Gen 1 is fine. It’s not f chassis related.
@loxxrider that's the thing if you try looking for the pump with the metal internals it's almost nearly impossible to find. Factory build part numbers and the part number itself are different yet it's the same plastic components
hey what oil should i use for my coolant?
So BMW plastic strikes again?
BMW started buying parts from bimmer network and they got it from china 🇨🇳 (trump voice )
Is this a problem on the N55 engine? Does the oil pump on N 55 have the same type of plastic ring that is what I am wondering
doesnt matter if its beefy or not, its the plastic material they use low quality
On 2020 bmw x5 sdrive40, Can the oil pan be removed without removing the subframe? Thinking about preemptivellly changing rhe oil pump myself.
DAMN...I have been wanting to get a 2019 or 2020 F36 440i. Now this makes me worried 😟.
Will this also be an issue on the b48 cars as well then?
Does this also apply to early B48tu engines? I have a 2019 330ix
1. So I assume the B48 engine is affected too?
2. I would think you would get a low pressure light immediately if you lose pressure, right?
3. I would like to see real numbers of failed pumps.
4. How much to just get a new pump installed?
B48 has a different part number. Whatever this means for the construction of the pump.
Does the S58 have the same style oil pump? If not, has it improved on this design?
@@uspnightfire115 s58 has a unique oil pump but not sure about the internal differences. I've never heard of this on an S58
S58 has spur gear type oil pump.
Hello gents! I’m a new BMW owner, as in my first BMW - 2020 X5 w/m package has 87k miles. Just started looking for BMW shops for maintenance and perhaps performance in my area. Should I be concerned with this issue, any other issues first before doing MHD stage 1 ?
It is best to take things with a grain of salt. Among others, I have a B58 too. I know about the ‘supposed’ oil filter disintegration, yet never had an issue. I always inspected my removed OEM oil filters, the same filters that people were complaining about. They were robust as it can be. Even the paper element alone was like a rock. So then why all those bad stories and examples? My guess is that it is either the occasional bad luck, or some people are ‘forgetting’ to mention some ‘key details’. Things are probably very similar with this oil pump issue. Can it happen? Apparently yes. Is it a wide spread problem? Unlikely. Are there many other possible pitfalls? You bet. But why worry about things that may or may not happen? Enjoy you vehicle.
@@mrtopcat2Thank You!!!
as someone with a 2020 m340i that just went stage 1 mhd this is what I learned. I thought stage 1 would be easy and wouldnt need much support but I learned when I went with the 91 tune the 91 gas around me is trash and the car did not like it (logs), I tried mixing a little E85 to it and it improved but I just ended up going with the E40 tune and it loved it. Then I started making more tq than the car liked so now I need xhp to support it. Another thing now I need to do is my motor mounts which I hear is a popular issue with my car (the increased tq obv didnt help lmao). The car runs good but I thought stage 1 would be pretty simple but I learned a lot through the process just make sure all your maintenance is good and up to date.
so 2022 chillin?
@@supperswaggdude749 ice cold
To understand this better, my 2019 M40i has the 1st gen B58. Its not a TU engine as those started in 2020 X3 M40i models. Im assuming my oil pump is safe?
this was pre 2021 may production cars m340i
It's a shame how aggressively the accountants got their hands on BMW and ruined it. They used to make robust machines.
What planet are you from ? Bmw has always been having this issue . Wtf ! It’s either loose oil pump nut eating rod bearing or coolant loss blowing head gasket . You called that robust ? Must be one of them guys who just put gas in the car and go ?
Thank you for the video, but its a bit alarming. You really should go into detail around which B58s have this issue, there are a ton of variants of the B58. Early generations, and post 2019s seem to be OK (the 2023+ with the cylinder deactivation is a whole other video, we'll save that for a later date)
Someone really needs to dive into what chassis use what B58, and then determine which oil pumps are in them.
B58 in 540 G30 was 10/2015 to 08/2018. Oil pump is 11417643046, doesn't appeared to have changed revisions.
B58C in 540 was 08/2018 to ????. Oil pump part number is 11418646453, revised part #11419895359 (B58C is mainly one with the concern)
There is another oil pump, part # 11418646454 that is used in 7 series, 8 series, X5, X6 and X7. Those also use the B58C. Unsure where that pump stands.
3 series G20 uses a specific pump, part 11419895359 which is revised part number per my research (so many damn oil pumps, sheesh BMW)
Lastly, more info on a software update to resolve some oil pump issues:
static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCRIT-21V598-2797.pdf
So 2021 chillin ?
My June 2020 built 2021 cars oil pump failed and caused high oil pressure. It was replaced under warranty
@@steveyobs551what was your car model ? Thanks
2017 M240. Still checks oil fine...still a possible problem?
@@kennungesser3203 typically a gen 2 problem
Ok. Breathing a little easier. Thanks, man. Love your vids, and thanks for what you do.
So 2021 x7 should be fine?
So is this not an issue on F30's?
I have a 2018 540i xDrive B58 with 130,303 miles. Are the oil pumps an issue on this car also?
Bruh
No
Does anyone know if a 2016 F30 340i has an aux battery? I'm getting codes that coincide with a failing one. If so, where is it located. I've looked everywhere and can't find it. Thank you in advance.
Like your main 12v battery? It’s in the trunk on the right side under a cover
@roberthatley7415 no I replaced that last year. Everyone mistakes that for an auxiliary battery. This runs all aux power and, ABS, etc.
If the codes are for an ‘emergency battery’ it’s the battery for the telematics unit.
What years were plastic?
You say this seems to be affecting TU cars. What about gen1?
From what I heard the issue was resolved around the time the G42 M240 was released. So probably early 2021.
Yeah I had the same thought! Is it a thing on the Gen1 or not many reports on that?
@@orinoko77 If gen 1 B58 uses the same system, which I believe it does.. My assumption is yes since the issue wasn't resolved till around 2021.
Not seeing the issue on gen 1. That's why i think it may have just been a bad batch of adjusting rings. Gen 2 also has a unique oil pump setup.
@@kern417 Thanks, dude! I've already had my valve cover go bad on my gen1, I don't want anything else!
Is this gen 1? Or gen 2?
My oil just stopped reading I think it’s the oil pump and I’m hearing 7k for the job 🤦🏾♂️😂 pray for me
Why can't I find a video showing details on how to replace the B58 oil pump? Must be something serious because I can't find anything. Heard it was $3,000 done by dealer. You have to drop the whole engine or something?
On the Supra the most complicated part is dropping the front subframe, you have to support the engine, not drop it. The pump is in the oil pan, easily removable, it's just tedious to get to it
It's a lot of work, so I suspect most people let an indie do it. Dealers quote around 8k for the work because the labor hours are like 26 hours or something like that by the book. Parts cost is around $1500 (pump is $600, but there are a ton of single use bolts that have to be replaced, etc.). I had a few indies quote around $3500 which I think is a fair price for doing the job. I ended up doing it myself, but wouldn't recommend it unless you're very good at wrenching as it's a very in depth procedure, and if you get something wrong the risk is high that you can get hurt, or will have oil leaks, etc.
i got 6port gr supra am i safe???
Sounds like not, he said tu cars
Where bots and their comments?
@@n0t_fast let them sleep. They aren't welcome here.
“Actual” count over 9000
China part🇨🇳
This comment is at least 10 years out of date. Alike, when people claimed that Japanese cars were bad. Made in China THESE DAYS is MOSTLY a synonym for TOP quality. Additionally, many technical research papers are increasingly originating in China.
@@mrtopcat2In industrial settings outside China, most Chinese companies refuse to use Chinese sourced products, especially steel.
@@thomasburns3345 When was that?
Did you not watch the video ?? The oil pump clearly stated made in Italy.
Typical sht for brain idiot blaming China for everything. Prob blames China for his iq being in the single digits too.
Has anybody found a way to just add a damn dipstick ??
im scared now
Plastic and oil don’t mix, like rubber and oil .
Plastics came long way though. There are literally thousands of formulas. One of my vehicles has some 25 year old vinyl-alike injector lines, running in a high heat area - and still as strong and good as new. Same story with vinyl-alike intake manifolds. Just keeps going like the Energizer bunny.
@@mrtopcat2 immersion of plastics in hot oil doesn’t end well. Not talking theories or one off ‘my car’ stories.
@@dcrasta You started out on a wrong premise already (O-Rings) and continue to disregard new developments and related R&D.
Think what O-Rings are made of. Then check how many different type of O-Ring base materials exist and their intended applications.
Same goes for plastics. They can be tailored to have specific properties as desired. Best example is the ‘plastic’ oil cooler housings.
People come up with tails about them leaking. Really? It is the seals that are leaking and they do so on metal or plastic oil coiler housings regardless. If you don’t believe it, try to make one crack. I bet you cannot. They are strong as steel.
Last but not least, I trust you understand that I am just trying to help you. I get where you are coming from. I have been there done that as well. But then I started looking into this more. Last straw was exactly the oil cooler housing, which is as mentioned, practically indestructible.
@@mrtopcat2 Applications matters. I retort - rubber timing belts in oil baths fail. Also BMW notoriously fail with plastic parts , radiators etc. I won't argue my opinion. It's just an opinion, don't be triggered by an opinion.
@@dcrasta I have been trying to be helpful. If I was trying to be sarcastic, I would have only wrote one replied word to your original statement: "O-Rings". So I am unsure why you would think that I am triggered. Having said all that, your initial comment was a very much a statement and no opinion.
As far as timing or rubber belts in oil bath go, some no longer fail either. The Duramax 3.0 has an oil submerged, rubber belt driven oil pump. Like I said from the beginning, there is a lot of engineering going into materials these days.
Typical BMWs, they leak and they have plastic components everywhere that cracks right after the warranty expires.
In other words these cars are not designed to last past the warranty period.
these cars never give peace of mind
@@No-vj5or but they provide the endless joy of making repairs.
@@LeverPhile yeah if you enjoy being a grease monkey, then you will enjoy the frustrating repairs.
as a 2020 m340i owner I pray everytime I go to measure my oil lmaooo
When they say b58 is bulletproof 😂😂😂…… there is r any bmw engines that is bulletproof
If u gonna talk shit at least make the sentence make sense 😂😂
@@alexd5240lol…. Auto spell check didn’t even realize 😂….. talk shit about what tho?
Diddy party in that oil pump
The German’s fetish for plastic is annoying. I understand that they want to save money, but for what they charge it’s inexcusable to say the least. How can the Japanese put high quality ALL METAL oil pumps in their engines yet the ultimate driving machines can’t?!?? I guess the Japanese vehicles are the ultimate reliable cars.
Without trying to be a fanboy, I am going out on a limb and say that this may be far more about weight savings than cost. While it is common to refer to these components as plastic, many of these are actually high tech, trademarked materials with lot's of R&D and related amortization costs. In many instances (OK, maybe not in this one), nearly as strong as metal.
They make lease cars. They don’t care lol
@@mrtopcat2 I agree, plastic used for weight savings to meet ever increasing mileage requirements for environmental regulations.
@@LeverPhile Exactly. 40 years ago, a 1984 BMW 325e used to weight about 2500 pounds. Today’s 440i weighs about 4000 pounds; and that even with weight saving measures such as plastic components and not even a spare tire. Imagine how much heavier the car would be without them.
dont buy bmw ! all time problems
Variable vane pumps have been used in auto transmissions for decades and engines for about 15 years. Using nylon for the housing is ridiculous.
The ‘plastic’ part is made of duroplast and has been since the n55 so I wouldn’t say the the b58tu is the only ones with plastic adjustment rings, the likelihood is that there was a defect with a specific production run either a material or manufacturing issue. I would also assume that adverse driving conditions will have an effect as the engine goes through multiple heat cycles. Great work explaining the system btw everything you said on the map controlled operation was spot on.