Why S58 is better? Bigger bore and Less stroke. This engine is less under-squared meaning less stress on cylinder walls. It’s also an advantage for thermal properties. It can also rev higher. Valves are bigger as well. It’s a great combo for racing!
Shorter stroke has disadvantages too... Higher piston speed, more angle forces on the rods etc. Longer stroke is also more efficient, because you can use the combustion stroke much better
Hey man, i've seen your videos for quite a while now. Just wanted to say I appreciate how much dedication you've put into content like this. These videos and your deep-diving is invaluable for those of us that would want to better understand these engines and repair these vehicles. You're easily one of the most important channels to the BMW community.
Its worth noting there are slight differences in the s58 found in F97/F98 to the G80/G82. The crankshaft used in the G8x is different - lighter and optimized for the higher torque & rotational speed. The right engine mount is designed to be more rigid than the left engine mount for the torque increase which should reduce force on the drive system. Pre-production 11/2020 F9X S58s have different cooling. The pre-production F9x S58s are missing an external radiator the G8X have. Also BMW decided to include stone chip protection guards on the coolant radiators.
Yeah technically this was made before the G8x was even out, so tried to weed through some of those specific details. Like the intake integration with the engine cover
They also rotated the spray pattern of the B58TU injectors. They were trying to prevent warping of the upper cylinder. Lower compression ratio, bore and stroke changes, less flowing injectors... reliability and boost were in mind.
I came to the right channel. Your information about s58 is very helpful. Im looking forward to trade in my 2018 q50 for m440i as a daily so i don't want to have worry big issues with the car so i dont have to spend big money as a young adult early 20s
Thanks for doing all the work to learn this stuff. I have a 2024 BMW and am a first time owner of a new BMW. I'm wondering about the problems down the road because of direct injection without port. Will there be need valve cleaning down the road? Thanks, Dean in Oregon
12:50 Concerning the about estimated power output of the S58 and you assuming it's capable of doing about 30% more power with the injectors, I want to tell you, you are pretty much right! There is a german tuner called Benny from "BK Performance" and about 4 years ago when the S58 came out with the X3M and X4M models, he already got his hands on the X3M and tested it's "limits", he ended up at 757hp with everything stock besides installing a different Downpipe (and what I'm not sure about is, he might have changed his Intercooler to a Wagner one, I don' remember exactly no more), BUT what I know is, he definitely didn't change anything else than I mentioned. The car was also featured on quiet a few other RUclips channels like "AutoTopNL", he could have went for slightly more power as well but he wanted to run a safe setup. He even drove the X3M with that power with 310km/h+ !GPS measured! on the Autobahn :D
Good info, here. I am thinking of getting a bmw. But I am more concern with RELIABILITY more than luxury. Which X3 do you think is best, currently? I am an old 70yrs. old and would like to drive a bmw that is durable, as it will be the last suv that i will buy, before I go "up yonder".
Idk imo the s58 connecting rod look stronger at least on the bottom side where the bearing goes you can tell it’s beefier and the the way the profile is it’s designed better but I agree it’s thinner
Love your work! Since a clean used F80 is 10k cheaper then a G80. Which one do you prefer? Can you please make a comparison video? Keep up the great work !
I have been driving the F8X for almost 6 years. I was the biggest F82 fanboy. Just switched to the G82 Comp RWD, and I have yet to look back. These cars are simply a different level!
Hello Kern, I just came across your channel and I am very grateful what you’re sharing with us. Thank you! I recently bought a 2024 BMW M440i Xdrive coupe and running 94 octanes pump gas on JB4 map 3. I also installed a VRSF 200 cell catted down pipe. Do you think I will be okay to keep the stock fuel pump as well as injectors if I upgrade to a Vargas GC mid turbo? Also, if the gas consumption would suffer with normal driving habits after the upgrade? What do you think about my approach? Warm regards. Alfred. July 9, 2024
thinking along the same concept as s58 head on a b58.... would it be possible to explore s58 head on S55 because some of the systems exist in s55 to support it? or are there simply too many architectural differences in block/mating surface to be viable?
Hahaha lol at the intro "the b58 is you" 😂😂😂 what would be nice is a comparison of bang for buck performance. A 30k b58 gen 1 with 30k in mods vs a s58 with a tune for example. All tough a M car will be sharper from factory. Many of yall only seem to drive in a straight line for a couple of meters. So that doesn't matter as well. 😂😂😂 Keep it up Kevin. 💪🏻
Hey so I have a question, I’m afraid that I might hurt my engine. Im eventually going to go down pipe tune, but right now I’m stock and I needed a oil change. So I used 5w-30 for thicker oil instead of the recommended 5w-20. I’m afraid it will hurt my engine since I’m stock as of now? Please give me some answers cause I’m worried.👍
I don’t think it will have any affects on it but I just want to make sure nothing will happen since I’m not modded yet. I only got 5w-30 oil mainly because I’m going full bolt on soon
I have a g87 m2 2023. I like the car alot, but with only 9000 miles on it I blew the motor with only an Areeve piggyback tune dinan cold air kit and IRL midpipe. Very disheartening since BMW will not cover it so I had to eat the cost. Not sure what went wrong but not to happy right now.
Hi sorry to ask this but its a oil Q I HAVE A 2023 M3 COMP XDRIVE BROOKLYN GREY STOCK AND STAYING STOCK FOR NOW IN THE UK . THE OIL REC over hear IS 0W30 THE Q IS IS THIS JUST FOR THE OPF FILTER COZ I WANT TO LOOK AFTER MY ENGINE CAN ANY ONE GIVE ME SOME ADVICE PLEASE. PROFILE PHOTO OF A45S PLUS OIL REC IS 0W20 416HP
Kevin, thanks as always. Are the S58 injectors plug and play in a Supra/Gen 2 or do the seals need to be replaced? I'm looking to do this and have heard both...TIA
Lol 3 pick ups in the pan is more things togo wrong. And weaker piston rods is bad news. Online 6 weaknes through out time has been weak piston rods. The thicker the better. Otherwise besides the amount of plastic it seems solid.
Lol why would anyone be worried about an engine that’s not even in the 7s… I think you meant S58 Is you Gen2B58 is the one your girlfriend tells you not to worry about 😂😂
This is such a brain dead comment lol. You think if someone stuck an s58 in a tiny Supra they couldn't go 7s??? Ever heard of power to weight? Physics is a thing🤡
@@durin23 Gen2B58 already in the mid 7s, go eat a cake and drink some tea lil bro 😂😂😂 and don’t forget while you do that the quickest and fastest BMW in the world is the M240😂😂
@@TurboThreeOhcongrats…but you know that’s because it’s in a smaller lighter car with an engine that’s easier to obtain. If you take a stock s58 and run it in a m240 and put it against a stock b58 give them both fbo who wins? That trend would continue into building the engines.
Watch that video, it shows a very good comparison of S55/S58/B58 rods and bearings and S58 parts are not getting a good rating there. You can switch on English automatic translation: ruclips.net/video/WA-k3p8zM2M/видео.html
Translation is not good I see, basically S58 bearings are already slighly worn after 10000 km while B58 is even with 100000 or 200000 km still like new. So they say S58 bearings will become a problem like S65, so after like 60000 to 80000 km you have to change them. Pistons from B58 are ok but not the best. S58 pistons are better. B58 rods are the best, S58 is not as strong.
I'm so fed up with these so called incredible bmw engines Who cares about all of these accolades, when they start burning oil at 50-70k miles and start having major issues under 100k miles.?.. Yes, S58 is great while you're leasing your X6M.. Big deal
X6m doesn’t have an s58 first of all second of all the b58 and s58 haven’t had any oil burning issues so far and a lot have made it past 100k miles no issues
And we're fed up with ignorant people like you who don't even know what cars carry these engines, let alone know nothing about the engines themselves. Nice try... 🤡
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We need this man on the S58 platform NOWWWWW
Trying 😭
Buy him one
@@kern417 Sell them two busted ass B58's and go get yourself a G87 M2 🤣J/K
This guy is highly educated. Fantastic videos
Why S58 is better? Bigger bore and Less stroke. This engine is less under-squared meaning less stress on cylinder walls. It’s also an advantage for thermal properties. It can also rev higher. Valves are bigger as well. It’s a great combo for racing!
S55 enine still better engine overall
@@maximusEagleare you okay ?🤣
Shorter stroke has disadvantages too... Higher piston speed, more angle forces on the rods etc. Longer stroke is also more efficient, because you can use the combustion stroke much better
Hey. Can you do technical training on the s54 and s52 as well please
@@maximusEagleyou’re high
Hey man, i've seen your videos for quite a while now. Just wanted to say I appreciate how much dedication you've put into content like this. These videos and your deep-diving is invaluable for those of us that would want to better understand these engines and repair these vehicles. You're easily one of the most important channels to the BMW community.
I second this! And im not even a bmw fan or owner :D. I do appreciate all the information and explanations in these videos
I have a G87, loved hearing about this engine in detail and why it such an amazing platform. Excellent video👌🏾
best technical BMW channel on YT this man bringing that advanced knowledge to the community! 😤
Its worth noting there are slight differences in the s58 found in F97/F98 to the G80/G82. The crankshaft used in the G8x is different - lighter and optimized for the higher torque & rotational speed. The right engine mount is designed to be more rigid than the left engine mount for the torque increase which should reduce force on the drive system. Pre-production 11/2020 F9X S58s have different cooling. The pre-production F9x S58s are missing an external radiator the G8X have. Also BMW decided to include stone chip protection guards on the coolant radiators.
Yeah technically this was made before the G8x was even out, so tried to weed through some of those specific details. Like the intake integration with the engine cover
Who owns a pre production vehicle.
@@isaiah6838 Any X3m or X4m with a build date before 11/2020. All G8x will have the updates.
I have a 22 and it has everything the g80 got
Great video, hadn't come across your channel before but am impressed with your knowledge and clear passion for the engineering.
first 3 seconds should be a wallpaper or a shirt haha or maybe a sticker
This was really good super informative easy to listen to no BS just straight facts. Now I need x3m m competition
Just picked up an 24' X3MC. Phenomenon!
@@DS_37 congratulations!
Shout out to the beat-boxing at the end.
hahaha I was going to say the same.
Time will tell how the rod bearing will hold up but so far it’s freakin sick! Thanks for the informative video.
Thank you!! Really don't see many videos out there with the real info somehow. This is wonderful!
Can’t believe I’m just now seeing this channel. Awesome video man.
They also rotated the spray pattern of the B58TU injectors. They were trying to prevent warping of the upper cylinder. Lower compression ratio, bore and stroke changes, less flowing injectors... reliability and boost were in mind.
I came to the right channel. Your information about s58 is very helpful. Im looking forward to trade in my 2018 q50 for m440i as a daily so i don't want to have worry big issues with the car so i dont have to spend big money as a young adult early 20s
Thanks for doing all the work to learn this stuff. I have a 2024 BMW and am a first time owner of a new BMW. I'm wondering about the problems down the road because of direct injection without port. Will there be need valve cleaning down the road? Thanks, Dean in Oregon
My S58 INJECTORS upgrade netted me a substantial gain. Able to run E55 @33 psi on a DAW in my M340, making account 660whp
I loved the video, only thing I’m unsure about is, the rod bearings do actually have coating on the top bearings for S58 and not the bottom ones.
12:50 Concerning the about estimated power output of the S58 and you assuming it's capable of doing about 30% more power with the injectors, I want to tell you, you are pretty much right! There is a german tuner called Benny from "BK Performance" and about 4 years ago when the S58 came out with the X3M and X4M models, he already got his hands on the X3M and tested it's "limits", he ended up at 757hp with everything stock besides installing a different Downpipe (and what I'm not sure about is, he might have changed his Intercooler to a Wagner one, I don' remember exactly no more), BUT what I know is, he definitely didn't change anything else than I mentioned. The car was also featured on quiet a few other RUclips channels like "AutoTopNL", he could have went for slightly more power as well but he wanted to run a safe setup. He even drove the X3M with that power with 310km/h+ !GPS measured! on the Autobahn :D
Break down the s55 next
Then the S63
It might breakdown before he breaks it down
@@tumisosenyolo9046 really i have a big turbo one w pi and i’ve never had an issue w it in nearly 30k hard driven miles.
One of the better informative videos out there 🎉
Good info, here. I am thinking of getting a bmw. But I am more concern with RELIABILITY more than luxury. Which X3 do you think is best, currently? I am an old 70yrs. old and would like to drive a bmw that is durable, as it will be the last suv that i will buy, before I go "up yonder".
the cylinder head is not 3d printed. the inlet for the casting is 3d printed.
Bro I learned so much from your video. This was dope.
So very informative! Thanks for the presentation. Impressive mill.
New to the channel, epic outro music 😅❤
No problems here with my s58. Just lots of giggling.
great insight! would love to see a deep dive on why the S63TU is good
Beatboxing was sick 👍
I'd love a breakdown of an N63TU2. And compare it to an N63 OG to see how its different.
Nice work and incredible detail
2:34 - it's only the sand cores for the head casting that are 3D printed.
Idk imo the s58 connecting rod look stronger at least on the bottom side where the bearing goes you can tell it’s beefier and the the way the profile is it’s designed better but I agree it’s thinner
If you blow your s58 how much is a new long block replacement? I can’t find it anywhere. Without calling a dealer.
Love your work!
Since a clean used F80 is 10k cheaper then a G80. Which one do you prefer?
Can you please make a comparison video?
Keep up the great work !
ZF transmission >DCT all day
I have been driving the F8X for almost 6 years. I was the biggest F82 fanboy. Just switched to the G82 Comp RWD, and I have yet to look back. These cars are simply a different level!
Hello Kern, I just came across your channel and I am very grateful what you’re sharing with us. Thank you!
I recently bought a 2024 BMW M440i Xdrive coupe and running 94 octanes pump gas on JB4 map 3.
I also installed a VRSF 200 cell catted down pipe.
Do you think I will be okay to keep the stock fuel pump as well as injectors if I upgrade to a Vargas GC mid turbo?
Also, if the gas consumption would suffer with normal driving habits after the upgrade?
What do you think about my approach?
Warm regards.
Alfred.
July 9, 2024
Hi, do you know if 2025+ G8Xs will be affected by the new DME lock(the one that debuted on the B58TU2 and S68)?
I’m considering getting the 2025 M2 Xdrive with this motor.
@@weduhpeople8504 they made that official?
thinking along the same concept as s58 head on a b58.... would it be possible to explore s58 head on S55 because some of the systems exist in s55 to support it? or are there simply too many architectural differences in block/mating surface to be viable?
Midwest love. 🍻
What with carbon buildup on intake valves? There is no multipoint injection..
Are we gonna see kern in an s58 soon?
X3m?
S58 is big money
Thanks for the video
Yes! This is gonna be good
Just FYI, the cylinder head is not 3D printed. Parts of the casting tooling is 3D printed.👍🏻
How does this compare to the s63? Can s58 make more power?
Thanks for this fire videoooo
Content! 🫶🏽💯💯💯🏎️💨💨💨💨
Hahaha lol at the intro "the b58 is you" 😂😂😂 what would be nice is a comparison of bang for buck performance. A 30k b58 gen 1 with 30k in mods vs a s58 with a tune for example. All tough a M car will be sharper from factory. Many of yall only seem to drive in a straight line for a couple of meters. So that doesn't matter as well. 😂😂😂 Keep it up Kevin. 💪🏻
No plastic oil pump impeller right? How is the blowby and valve coking (common with boosted DI engines)?
Please make a vid on the new Vargas x drive controller 🙏🏼 is it better than xhp?
Hey so I have a question, I’m afraid that I might hurt my engine. Im eventually going to go down pipe tune, but right now I’m stock and I needed a oil change. So I used 5w-30 for thicker oil instead of the recommended 5w-20. I’m afraid it will hurt my engine since I’m stock as of now? Please give me some answers cause I’m worried.👍
I don’t think it will have any affects on it but I just want to make sure nothing will happen since I’m not modded yet. I only got 5w-30 oil mainly because I’m going full bolt on soon
What is the best B58 equipped car?
I see him getting a gen 2 b58
Worst part of s58 ownership is not having your guidance anymore 😢
Lmao right on the nail
wow you known your stuff
Thank u
I have a g87 m2 2023. I like the car alot, but with only 9000 miles on it I blew the motor with only an Areeve piggyback tune dinan cold air kit and IRL midpipe. Very disheartening since BMW will not cover it so I had to eat the cost. Not sure what went wrong but not to happy right now.
Any idea what specofically went wrong with it?
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Hi sorry to ask this but its a oil Q I HAVE A 2023 M3 COMP XDRIVE BROOKLYN GREY STOCK AND STAYING STOCK FOR NOW
IN THE UK . THE OIL REC over hear IS 0W30 THE Q IS IS THIS JUST FOR THE OPF FILTER COZ I WANT TO LOOK AFTER MY ENGINE CAN ANY ONE GIVE ME SOME ADVICE PLEASE.
PROFILE PHOTO OF A45S PLUS OIL REC IS 0W20 416HP
S58 gang
So much abbreviations is this the supra engine?
Yes!!
B58 B58 B58
0:57 What if you're the b48/6 :(
Jokes aside thanks for the content
Kevin, thanks as always. Are the S58 injectors plug and play in a Supra/Gen 2 or do the seals need to be replaced? I'm looking to do this and have heard both...TIA
@@mikew4796 it's plug N play besides needing a tune
@thefastforte2854 thanks! I just saw some new posts on Facebook where the same debate continues.
Lol 3 pick ups in the pan is more things togo wrong. And weaker piston rods is bad news. Online 6 weaknes through out time has been weak piston rods. The thicker the better. Otherwise besides the amount of plastic it seems solid.
We need S55 lol
Lol why would anyone be worried about an engine that’s not even in the 7s…
I think you meant S58 Is you Gen2B58 is the one your girlfriend tells you not to worry about 😂😂
This is such a brain dead comment lol. You think if someone stuck an s58 in a tiny Supra they couldn't go 7s??? Ever heard of power to weight? Physics is a thing🤡
you sound worried,relax bro s58 will be in 7s soon also and haul 1000lbs extra with 4 doors and xdrive
@@durin23 Gen2B58 already in the mid 7s, go eat a cake and drink some tea lil bro 😂😂😂 and don’t forget while you do that the quickest and fastest BMW in the world is the M240😂😂
@@TurboThreeOh why you so worried bud?
@@TurboThreeOhcongrats…but you know that’s because it’s in a smaller lighter car with an engine that’s easier to obtain. If you take a stock s58 and run it in a m240 and put it against a stock b58 give them both fbo who wins? That trend would continue into building the engines.
Is that s58 in the 2024 bmw x3 m40i
@@kennethbascom5023 no only X3M
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🔥
❤️
Tom wringly be like 😂😂😂😂😂
B58 WITH TOYOTA S58 JUST BMW ?
Watch that video, it shows a very good comparison of S55/S58/B58 rods and bearings and S58 parts are not getting a good rating there. You can switch on English automatic translation: ruclips.net/video/WA-k3p8zM2M/видео.html
Translation is not good I see, basically S58 bearings are already slighly worn after 10000 km while B58 is even with 100000 or 200000 km still like new. So they say S58 bearings will become a problem like S65, so after like 60000 to 80000 km you have to change them. Pistons from B58 are ok but not the best. S58 pistons are better. B58 rods are the best, S58 is not as strong.
The 2025 zr1 Corvette engine blows it away
M3 S55 Engine still the Best engine
DAZA on top
U mean the engine u have to build at 700hp😭 while an s58 makes 700whp w just a downpipe and tune
I'm so fed up with these so called incredible bmw engines
Who cares about all of these accolades, when they start burning oil at 50-70k miles and start having major issues under 100k miles.?..
Yes, S58 is great while you're leasing your X6M.. Big deal
X6m doesn’t have an s58 first of all second of all the b58 and s58 haven’t had any oil burning issues so far and a lot have made it past 100k miles no issues
@@borisspaseski8934 mine has a B58 in it and at 70k burns about 3 qts per OCI. Many friends of mine are having the same results
And we're fed up with ignorant people like you who don't even know what cars carry these engines, let alone know nothing about the engines themselves.
Nice try... 🤡
I guess the S55 sucks then...whomp whomp
The S55 engine still the best hands down
@@maximusEaglelol at your crankhub 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
First
My k20 turbo civic is faster and stronger
That's embarrassing
Still driving a civic😭
b58 still better
i agree,if you broke
@@durin23b58 is more reliable
Insane cope
Go tell BMW to put a B58 into a M car instead of S58, lol🤣
Why is the B58 better? What makes you say that?
It is a bmw, in other words, crap.
It’s not 2008 anymore
Bearings?