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The Hobbit (2013) - Battle of the five Armies - Part 1 - Only Action [4K] (Directors Cut)
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3:25 To this day, I just...I can't even. WHAT?
Elves, the WHOLE idea of that formation is to take the brunt of the charge. Pinning the enemy in place, allowing an easily outflank. Phalanx formations have been doing it since antiquity. It's like that for the same reason shields are broad and heavy armor is thick - to take the hit. By jumping over it, you merely demonstrate incompetence. And probably get some of your own number skewered on Dwarven spears in the places where it becomes a crush.
I can't help but imagine the Dwarven officer's grunt of frustration at 3:42, because they now have to break their own phalanx in order to charge forwards and join the melee...with spears. Probably losing more soldiers, trying to save the Elves from themselves and their inexperience.
**Edit** - Imagine you're watching a gritty war film on the Second Battle of Fallujah. And during the climax of the film, the music swells, and the soldiers charge out of their positions to run across an open courtyard to start clubbing the enemy with their rifles. And rather than simply shoot them, the enemy do the same, getting up and having a melee, for seemingly no reason. Then the tank crews do it. Followed by the helicopter pilots, who land their vehicles, dismount, and get stuck in with fisticuffs.
It's not played for comedy. The Hans Zimmer music is blasting. And the director is filming this completely straight. Expecting it to look epic.
But all it does is shine a spotlight on the directors lack of understanding. Lack of even preliminary research. And it makes the characters (particularly the losing characters) look like fools. THAT is the Battle of the Five Armies.
Yeah, same thing with the stupid Holywood idea, when all archers releasing arrows at the same time. Its like yeah lets waste our best skirmish weapon by shooting in volley so the enemy know when to rise the shields and take cover. And they do this in every damn movie
I have found a stray womble
Time for a Lord of the Rings Bullshittery?
Ah I see you were also brought here today, nice. To be fair, I imagine Thranduil's call was something like "Don't let those dwarf fucks outdo us, rush the orcs!" But also, the battle direction is really bad and silly.
Womble apparently you don't get warfare, it's all about how epic you look while your fighting.
When you do something epic, everything will turn slow motion, giving you valuable time to assess the situation.
I mean if not that, than why wouldn't they fall back into erebor and dale or fall back to the high ground instead of charging an outnumbering opponent on a plane fucking field!
You gotta give it to the Dwarves. Their anti-arrows defense is on another level...
Lucky that the elves are dumb enough to fire a volley rather than just expending the same arrows in a withering rain. Even luckier that having seen it spectactularly fail once they immediately repeat the same mistake.
To be fair, the dwarves had too much plot armor to make not only such a ballista possible, but also have the elves be stupid enough to fire simultaneously two times instead of making a ranked volley, simply to make their ballistas effective.
I mean, I am a fan of the dwarves but the whole scene was too set to make them look good
Why are these elves not as quick as Legolas.... Something wrong in there!
@lappansommer546 0
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Love how the dwarves don't think twice about charging the orcs
Dwarves hate elves and Elves hate them back. but both hate Orcs more XD
How people from Boston and people from NYC react when Russia invades.
pet detective I am 100% certain you are wrong, because we have our own Russians here, and they fucking hate Russia.
Nahoy blyat.
@Estro-Jen Мany Russians too hate Russia, but when some little yankee says it -in us a bear wakes up.
Don't forget, we Russian don't fucking care how many us die, but we take win
@discodictator8981 K bud. My best friend is from Vladivostok, you dont scare me. Chill out and enjoy some doctorska kolbasa on rye. Eta zybis
"Don't you think it'd be better to wait till they kill each other? "
"Nah, send them out. It's gonna look epic."
Also: "let's jump over the dwarfen shield wall for 0 reason so the orcs can push us back into the dwarfen spears"
200 iq battle tactics!!
LMAO
Yes that's what I was telling everyone
@Hard.Determinism they survived the jump and were fighting, the wall opened up and joined them in battle right after their jump. They broke the tide. It wasnt a complete waste
Lmaooo 💀
It captures my heart everytime. How they unite despite their differences. It's something we long for in the real world.
Sun Tzu writes "The Art of War" in 500 BC.
People in 501 BC:
Hahaha underrated comment 🤣
@Carter Johnson After. When going B.C. you go backwards. 500 B.C is one year after 501 B.C.
@vaterix4202 no thats wrong. B.C. dates work backwards the closer you move towards the future.
@vaterix4202 499 B.C. is after 500 B.C. He is referring to people before Sun Tzu so that's 501 B.C., meaning that before the writing of the Art of War, people did not know how to fight, like in this Lord of the Rings scene. Terrible battle tactics.
imnot you you are an absolute thicko
Imagine living for thousands of years and dying by being rammed by a goat with a short hairy person riding it. Glorious.
Wait are they immortal in there youth or just immortal in jeneral
@Lucifer-we5mc I believe that the elves are immortal as long as they don't get killed. So they have an immortal natural life, but they can be killed by others.
@tokomo4 even when they're killed, their souls will be reborn into a new bodies
@Lucifer-we5mc immortals in general in fact, the Elves last as long as the world lasts. But their bodies can be destroyed and they are reborn in Aman, the Blessed Country, from which they can never leave. So it's as if they disappear forever from the world. I do not know how the Dark Elves take the fact of being stuck there but I think they should not be happier.
To be honest of all the "good" races of Tolkien, the godlike beings not included, the dwarves are the one I'd be most afraid of fighting. While individual elves are far superior to dwarves, the dwarves in general are a very physically powerful race that's been forced into a warlike culture and who has the most difficult towns to conquer.
Wanna beat humans? Level their towns and fields.
Wanna beat the elves? Burn that forest.
Wanna beat dwarves? Now.. How the shit do we dismantle a mountain while having an army of tiny roided dudes fighting in cohesive units sallying out. (this especially holds true for the movie version, since the unit formations presented by the dwarves are VASTLY superior to anything both elves and men present. The typical elven formation we see seems to have a focus on mobility and skirmish power, while the dwarven legions seems to have a massive focus on tactical flexibility, to clarify they show technologically advanced field artillery, roman like formations made up of infantry fully armored and with tower shields. An army like that would be nigh on impossible to beat for the typical elven or human armies we've seen in all the movies combined. Bows are typically useless against full armour, especially when said armour is accompanied by tower shields used in unison. All a dwarven army would have to do in a field battle would be to hold their ground and wait for the enemy to run out of arrows, a charge is unlikely due to the combination of their stature, shields and spears and even if anyone were to do so - they'd die.)
Edit: It's heater shields, my bad!
2:47 "The hordes of hell are upon us!"
Dwarves: run to form defensive shield line.
Elves: line up for epic hair commercial.
Gotta have the upper hand with the flowing hair
😂😂😂😂
Yeah just like Favio in old spice !
Lol, I thought it too.
3:20 bolton pike wall
0:56 Really shows how Dwarves preped for the ELF's arrows
If the orcs had waited like 30 minutes it would have been much easier
XD underrated
@SEN_kyn YEZ I remember my dad saying that when we went to watch it
The creepy worms don’t work for the orcs, they just let them pass to the surface.
true but 1 when have the orcks ever ben smart and 2 it whoudnt have en as fun to watch :)
Barley an inconvenience
I love how the elves are perfect at everything, but they still can’t compare to the dwarves ingenuity and teamwork
the high elves (although undeniably snobbish) are experts in hybrid missile infantry (much better than shown here) with good melee, armor and more importantly speed. their only weakness is artillery which coincidentally is the strong suit of dwarves so together they truly make the most formidable fighting force.
@wofll-k9u I believe all wood elves are high elves but not all high elves are wood elves
@wofll-k9u the differences are marginal and only appear in their magic and mounts (high have celestial magic and ride horses wood have earth magic and ride stags) so really not much diff in tactics or genetics. Another difference is high elves can summon the eagles but wood elves can summon treekin but that's about it
@wofll-k9u great catch! But warhammer is 90% borrowed from Tolkien with bits of Micahel Moorcock and Fritz Leiber so imho the lore stands
@wofll-k9u true probably shouldn't have used that as example but couldn't think of any other differences between the elves
Dwarves: Builds the perfect spike wall, ready to crush the enemy.
Elves: F*ck it, jump over it guys...
Evles are the typical teammate in RTS games. xD
Chaaaaarge!!!!
Always annoyed me. As someone who has played BFME so much, this move killed me. But now I realize why it’s important - dwarves had set up a defensive wall, would have done excellent, Elvish infantry moves in (making the wall pointless) then dwarves break up and engage. Every death, both dwarf and elf, that happened is due to the Elves pride. They should have stayed in the back and do what they do best - archery. It goes to show the elves wont die for much, but pride is the end all be all for them. So now I don’t feel bad anymore lol
@erickg6797 its actually rather faithful to the book.
"The elves were the first to charge. Their hatred for the goblins is cold and bitter. Their spears and swords shone in the gloom with a gleam of chill flame, so deadly was the wrath of the hands that held them."
It was never about pride, it was about hatred. And to correct you further, elves were considered the best archers, sure, but that wasn't what they were the best at. They excelled in all forms of martial combat, superior to most races in every discipline, be it sword, spear, or bow.
You can tell you've invented a lot of your own headcanon nonsense based off a video game because in BFME, elves are only good for ranged units while rohirrim are the best cavalry and dwarves are excellent for melee. But literally, thats not at all the reality of Tolkiens Middle Earth.
I think the logic behind that move was like that:
If elves didn't engage in the front line, the giant orc army would smash the dwarf wall at the highest speed. The fact that they were stopped by 2 lines of elves is miracle - they should have run over them like a train.
Now the orc army stopped and the dwarves can use their spears in cost of 2 -3 lines of elf suicide squad.
Bro don't say fuck you are not funny or interesting
3:55, this part is so cool when the arrows fly
Elves: * Shoot arrows *
Dwarves: *_Uno reverse card_*
@ Teddy Oshirak , Hah
AHAHAHHA
😂😂😂
To me that was the most impressive, had to replay that scene over and over becouse it was so badass and ingenius.
@corneliuselbourne1044 I did the same
You can tell whoever wrote this scene played way too much total war
well he must be bad then
What kind of TW player charges his cavalry straight into a wall of pikes?
@freyrds8870 me during my first gameplay
@freyrds8870 MMMEEEE
It’s called battle of the five armies. What do you expect?🤓
I love how shocked the elves get when suffering losses. The notion of death is so unnatural to them, they know every loss could have been avoided.
well those elves are all older than everyone on the battlefield so they knew them for hundreds of years... ugh this is annoying to see peopl comment without even bein a fan of the lore idiots actually say much but hear little
@benramon6287 People aren't idiots for not knowing the details of a fucking fictional world.
@MetalCharlo Agreed.
@benramon6287 sheesh wonder why it took so much time for these to get new fans, nasty as an orc are you?
@benramon6287 I bet you felt so supperior writing this.
2:53 why tf these elves look so badass?
They are aura farming instead of engaging the enemy
They look freaking stupid, standing there in the middle of the battlefield.
@turtle25-y6xits called standing by because they haven’t given orders, you idiot 😂
All elves look badass, all the time
Still better strategy than the Battle of Winterfell.
Still they won. Hi, plot armor
Blue Moon THEY LOST. ENDING SUCKED. FUCK BRAN THE PUSSYLESS
I'd say jumping over a shield wall is on the same level of putting your army in front of your moat and outside your walls.
Wolfram von Vyller, the Wizard but then again those are elves not humans 😌
@Lastskykey Swords and spears still harm them.
Elves : fires thousand of arrows
Dwarfs : Destroys all of them
Thranduil : Choked pikachu face
Jarvan IV. Dain : AH AH yO BuGUrS
Pikaaaaa
Pikachu face. my goodness!!!!!??😂😂😂😂😂
That technology right there is pretty useful, I wonder why ancient civilizations in real life dont have that as a way to defend from arrows,
King Well, they had shields😂
After seeing the tactics used by the elves in this, it makes sense they are so few ...
Yes the jumping over an shield wall sucks but the defending against the cav was great
@elano5386 Their volley fire at the same time was hilarious :P
i mean, no not really, you cant technically put the blame on the elves, when a "mistake" like this happens, the blame should be directed to the directors. Sure the elves are just fictional but its still wrong
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@elano5386 jumping over the wall wasn't really about tactics, it was about getting to orcs before dwarves. One person controls what elven army is doing, and that person is pissed and insulted at that moment.
3:52 hog ridaaaaa
Goat raider 😄
@Sivanpayelhe riding a hog tho
Imagine being a hobbit where orcs, goblins, trolls, wargs, men, elves, dwarves, gargoyles, and a giant ring worm all trying to kill each other. Like, wtf my species is back there smoking pot playing with mud and galavanting around
underrated comment 😂
You forgot they play golf too and his neighbors still trying to auction his stuffs
Galavanting
@VannyBranny thank you, my bad. You're beautiful. lol
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I like how the Elves and Dwarves were killing each other a few minutes prior to becoming a well defined Orc slaying unit.
True
@Sauerkraut Jr. They were just about to kill each other, but a near miss doesn't count
They're showing us that both Elves and dwarfes understand and know that "The Orcs" are the big and primary threat to middle earth before they're beef.
@basset6559 Okay, then why did the not go back to killing each other after? It should've stayed like the book where they almost fought but didn't.
@LordVader1094 because both sides were devastated with losses what are you on about
The twiddly-widdly ballistas are possibly the coolest medieval-fantasy tech I’ve ever seen.
That elf guy was all “You can’t do that!” Lmao
Its genius level stuff, like why wasnt this an actual thing it blocks volleys of arrows and causes massive damage to the opposing force.
@krieglocked98 I was thinking exactly the same, such a nice strategy
@krieglocked98 It wasn't actually a thing because you can manage a lot more with CGI animation than you can with actual real world physics and mechanics. Like much of this trilogy, compared to LotR, they let rule of cool override logic.
There's no way you could get a ballista (essentially a giant crossbow on wheels) to launch a huge spear like bolt with long tails, with a rapid enough rotation to maintain flight AND shred a volley of arrows. In reality, if you were to shoot something like that from a ballista, the tail end of the bolt would likely immediately drop and it would wobble slowly, vertically for a short distance, if you were lucky making it far enough that it didn't crash into your own infantry.
The other reason is practicality. A shield wall, historically, was perfectly capable of standing up to arrow volleys. That is a lot more efficient than trying to design an artillery piece like this, and frees up your likely limited artillery selection for either better anti-troop or anti-building fire.
David Copperfield A person asked a question, he answered with an in depth answer. I found it interesting
Thranduils reaction to the anti-arrow defence lmao. Bro's so bamboozled and ragebaited. Love to see the Elves humbled sometimes 😂
Anyone else think the dwarves setting up their shield wall looks awesome? Just how quickly and efficiently they do it too.
And then the Elves skewer themselves on the spears
I personally think they rushed too far up to place the wall, I don't know why they ceded more distance when most of the elves are ranged and a few hundred feet can be the difference between two volleys or none.. especially when the elves jump over the wall. I laughed honestly, I forgot this movie after I saw it and this makes no sense.
@cups_ofjoe Eh being as nimble as they are they could probably jump far enough over the spears
Seeing as one of their kind managed to parkour up a falling bridge?!
i think Dwarves are like the tank class for there size to make a good Atk/ Def combo when need it
No! You're the only one, and 438 others + 5, assuming that the 5 comments agree with you!
Dwarves and Elves: fighting
Orcs: *appear*
Dwarves and Elves: Let’s forget that happened.
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There is no elves and dwarves fight in real movie
when they were going to fight with each others gandalf stoped them...and orcs came..
Movie name
Elves and Dwarves may not like eachothers... but they share a absolute hatred of the Orcs.
@efaristi9737 I was going to comment this too, they both have a common enemy in the orcs.
Lets be real, if the orcs didn't join that fight, the dwarves would have wiped the floor with the elves.
this is false, i can see youre a dwarf fangirl but lets look at the facts here...
the dwarf cavalry was getting funneled into spears most likely being made light work of.
the dwarf infantry is then met with a shield wall instantly stopping them in their tracks in return theyre unable to support their cavalry which is currently separated from dwarf infantry support.
Nah. You'll notice when the dwarves charge the orcs, their ram cavalry is nowhere to be seen. That's because they were all dead within 5 seconds of crossing the elves line. After that it was just a mop up game. Elves would have suffered real losses, but the dwarves would have been routed, likely killed to a man as they probably wouldn't have retreated or surrendered.
Without a doubt
I mean the dwarves would suffer quite a few casualties and thranduil wouldn’t go down easy… but go down all the elves would eventually
In combat, dwarven forces just simply outclass elves
@Theone-n9s8xFalse. There are 3 species of elves in lotr universe. This dwarf army is considered the strongest army at the time sure, they would beat these wood elves. Against the high elves however (Noldor) who fought balrogs, dragons and orcs on steroids in the first age. They could imbue their weapons with magic. Just imagine millions of elronds and galadriels.
No, no they wouldn't. The dwarven cavalry was already basically annihilated by the elves, and the total reliance on a phalanx formation and their inferior numbers meant the elves just had to envelop them and it would be a slaughter. The elves had this until the orcs showed up.
Meanwhile those dead elves and dwarves would be like dafuq we died in vain
They will be ressurected to serve the lich king in another movie
@oraseus90 Please don't give me hope
@oraseus90 I thought it would be appropriate to point out that they, in canon, will be resurrected to fight side-by-side against all the evil forces of the world in Dagor Dagorath
The tragedy of war
poctorDepper42 dagor dagorath isint canon
People are going to complain about cgi and shit, but the sound design of this battle is absolutely off the charts.
Anyone complaining about the CG in this are just being spiteful haters to the core. It may not be quite as spectacular as LOTR, but this is still some of the most complex, well-done CG ever to come out of Hollywood. I watch this and it doesn't even occur to me that it's mostly CG. I'm just too involved in the story and the action. Just like when I watch LOTR, I think of Gollum as a real true character. It's absolutely amazing to me that people are that pretentious and spoiled as to complain about what is essentially some of the best effects they could have done given the scope of the project and timeframe.
@maxxxmodelz4061 but why CG Dain?
@Noold Billy Connolly was cast as Dain. A quick search turned up that the reason they did his character in CG is most likely because of Billy's Parkinson's Disease. They did actually do scenes with him in full costume, but his Parkinson's made his performance difficult and cause him to mess up his lines on set. So they had him do a voiceover with lines in front of him in the studio and replaced him with a CG character.
@Noold Don't forget by the time it came for The Five Armies photography, Billy's Parkinson's had worsened. They really had no choice but to just use his audio and replace his acting for those scenes with the CG double.
@maxxxmodelz4061 ahhh. makes sense.
Girl's locker room: omg ashley's annoying
Boy's locker room:
Amen
true but stfu up with the locker room
itsSean no
Not even relevant anymore
ahahha c'est réel
Why did I hear a wolf howl in 2:58?
It was probably one of the orcs
I love how each race has their own attributes that make them great.
Elves are wise, and elegant; but the dwarves are brave and mighty.
What about the orcs?
@DoGyKG They are just many
@DoGyKG brutal
Orcs in great numbers are relentless. But they start to coware when their numbers fall.
Elves are so wise? They jumped over a defensive wall to be killed.
Elves - Excellent strategists
Dwarves - Excellent craftsmen
Orcs - Numbers, numbers and NUMBERS.
IDK, it seems to me that the dwarves had better strategy in this fight
Also, brute physical power ( For Orcs)
nullified the great phalanx instead of saving the flanks ---> Excellent strategists
Elves - sweet long majestic hairs
Its not an excellent strategy to go in frontofyour phalanx, just saying
2:45 "The hordes of hell are upon us! Fight to the death!"
I love the fact that the Dwarves immediately recognize the threat of the Orcs and waste no time in forming a DOUBLE spear wall and bailing on the Elves. Meanwhile the elves just hold until the last moment when they realize what is happening. This is why I love the Dwarves.
the dwarves are defending their home while the elves are taking their home so make sense
its not that they belatedly realize the threat, i believe that they were unsure of what to do, especially when they were invaders just then, and thranduil didnt issue any further order
Yea they all recognized the goblin and worg army but I saw no orcs or the like
@reaty05 in the books and according to Tolkien himself there is no discernible difference between goblins and orcs
@reedpadgett9056 but where the hell were the bats or all the other bs that was a total rewrite it's a spoof movie in all honesty not very accurate to the book
1:25 Cameraman never dies
🤖
Yea 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The orcs should have waited for elves and dwarves killing each other.
Prolly didnt know about the dwarves
They're not that intelligent...
the orcs are full of themselves, they wouldn't wait any shit
he delete this scene because of what you said
@rileydd08 I don't know...the orcs were the ones who said "Pikes in front, archers behind", whereas the elves leap over a perfectly good shield wall formed by the dwarves...
Those dwarven anti-archer balistas are pretty sick. Not only do they negate the archer volley but they can also attack at the same time. And shocking thousands of years old Elvish king is also a nice bonus.
yeah really cool too see. had the elves shook
ah, the old twiddly widdlys!
would be much less useful if the elves were smart and fired at will,not in a concert
Uhh no. Ever heard of sharpnel?
@lordbry470 No I haven't, but I've heard of shrapnel.
Seeing how the dwarves responded quickly to the arrival of the other army shows that they are naturally impulsive. Whilst the elves are more contained they do not move until they are told to do so.
But above all both creatures fought admirably in this scene.
Except until elves jumped over the shield wall
Then there are humans with pitchforks sitting in the corner like ducks.
What i find a bit bizarre is that the Elves must have kept Guard on the Dwarves so how didn’t they see the Crow AT BRIGHT SUNLIGHT and shoot it down
I wouldn't call it impulsive, I'd call it survival mixed in with good training (A phalanx-shield-wall is just about the best thing against charging infantry (and cavalry, too) - unless you have modern machine-guns, artillery, mortars and mines, but if you don't? Well shield wall and if you have time to prepare? Dig some pits with pointy sticks in them, works on Orcs, too :) - the Elfs shouldn't have jumped over (ruins the effectiveness of the wall!)
I like to think the dwarves are more aggressive and reckless because they are mortal, so they are going to die anyway, doesn't matter when. Whereas, the elves are immortal, so their lives are more costly and fragile as they could live forever, making conserving elven lives more of a priority.
2:22 " oh, come on"😂
"Oh CuhmohN!"
“Eh, howdya like that? The ol’ twiddly widdlies. Haha ye buggars” I can just feel Tolkien’s influence in that line, truly capturing the how dialogue was handled in all of his books.
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lol the snark in this comment is glorious.
Bódi Heni
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Heh, I like Dwarves in Tolkien universe sound so Scottish.
I love how quickly the elves and dwarves teamed up against the orcs despite just now starting a battle
What about side by side with a friend?
The orc general is so stupid... He could have waited for both the Dwarves and Elves to destroy each other first then attack...
@TheGreenB1rd fax
@TheGreenB1rdthe rules of cool comes first
They just warming up
Dwarf: I don't like elf
Elf: I dont like Dwarves
Dwarves and elves: but i despise orc
Das racist
What are them to think of orcs like tha, mate? Some kinda Hitlā? Like, literally Hitlā? Tolkin were so racist, that horrible hetero white man, yuck, the holy trinity of evil> Hetero.and.white.and... Man...
I wanna see orcs making love, im so progressive
... Human:Can I join you? Please :,v
@destrologando2362 you are a special kind of shat
I should be more progressive then, and rewrite tolkien's work to be more fitting to today's societal estandards. You should read some really gooda articles about Tolkien being racist because his orcs are evil. theyre right there on google. Maybe youll find im shatter than that.
"Send in the Goats".
Dwarfs are the best! As soon as they saw the orks, they turned imeediatly towards them and wanted to fight 100vs 1000000
😂😂😂😂😂😂
and continue fighting elves after lol
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They got inspired by sparta style😂
Dwarfs never forget or forgiven. They remember how the orcs slayed the king
"shield walls are formed so we can look cool while jumping over them" - Sun Tzu, The Art of War
"Men, Sun Tzu is an idiot. And if I ever see him, I will punch him in his mouth!" Soldier, TF2
Absolutely bullocks!!
Why does this comment section contain the most experts of strategy
unfortunately most of em right tho
Most of them complain about Azog dumb strategy to interrupt enemy while they fight,but for real, Azog is a villain character inside this story and he is making mistake, i dont see the point of complaining about his strategy, cant we just enjoy the film and seeing villain making a mistake, just that evil character is making mistake to create a chance for good character, its pretty normal in film, even real life people make mistake, why do they even bother, right whatever maybe they just thought they are watching a streamer making mistake in game then so eager to point it out
The experts here think elves and dwarves who hate each other and have never fought as allies should know how to coordinate perfectly.
They also think the berserking bloodthirsty monsters who even hurt and kill themselves in their rage should have the cool collected rationales of pro chess players.
Pls movies send me
@lotrlmao1648 There's no difference between someone named Joe complaining about a stupid strategy and you whining about Joe giving his opinion.
1:16 "How do you like that, the old twirley-whirlies? Ha Ha you buggers 😂" i love this part ❤
I like this battle a lot because it shows the dwarves and elves, both studying and preparing for each other´s tactics but also understimating each other. First the elves, thinking that dwarves are only used to close combat battles in the mines, try to overwhelm them with arrows, but the dwarves were prepared and counter them with ballistas that were clearly designed just for that. But then the dwarves charge at the elves with goats, thinking they are only used to fighting at the distance in the woods behind the trees, only to be surprised by the elves´ incredibly organized spear formation, which traps and slaughters the riders.
Glad you noticed that because most comments only notice the dwarves anti-arrow defence and miss the fact the elves countered the dwarves cavalry charge.
If you look closely you can see elven archers shooting at the riders who are jumping over the first line of spearmen
1:50 The Strategy of the Elves where not good at all, they let the Riders in letting most of their army getting slaughtered behind, now the Elves with shield are also surrounded in both direction, with the Riders and the army pinning them, sure they got some of the riders, but what are they gonna do to those who breached through their second defense/offensive line of armies?
The shields purpose is to block and prevent anything from entering, but they decide that its a good idea to just let the riders get behind the Backline
Next scene on them being an Ally
The Elves jumped over the Dwarves who’s position was already good and would kill and stop most orcs from getting past through, the formation they had was already good
But the elves decided to jump out of those defenses through the spears of the dwarves right through the Orcs, now the dwarves will now have a hard time attacking and also avoiding on harming the elves that is infront of them
3:43 The dwarves charging with their shields and spears is very effective, tho the elves are infront of them still, which would or could get them killed or harmed, and also making it harder for the dwarves overall.
The only good thing the Elves did here was shooting a barrage of arrows on the Orc’s, also the Elves seemed to be loosing when the Riders got through the elves defenses.
@Zenith07 Your second point is true. The Elves jumping over the Dwarven Shield wall was stupid.
But the first point is debatable. While the initial shield wall seems a little unnecessary, and suicidal for the Elves that composed it (I think it was intended as a sort of speed bump), the "pits" their army formed allowed empty spaces in-between that essentially funneled the Dwarven cavalry into kill-zones.
On principle alone, that *will* obliterate any cavalry, as animals will prefer the easiest route and run into the empty space, surrounding themselves and their riders with Elven soldiers on all three sides.
To prove my point: Do you see any more dwarven cavalry after the initial battle other than Dáin's pig? None, because they were obliterated by the Elves.
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The dwarves are so brave in this scene when the orcs arrive. No questions asked, they go straight to their death to deal with the Mordor army. God I love them
Would have been two choices. Death standing and fighting, or death kneeling and begging.
I wish we could've gotten to see more of them in combat. Too bad the OT we only see Gimli.
The dwarves wanted the first taste of orc blood and I love it.
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This is all so cool but almost none of it makes any tactical sense.
ok boomer
@stathisstathopoulos9007 Jokes on you, I'm 29.
Dr.Bright there is non. It’s 5 armies banging this shit out😂
+Dr.Bright Since I'm 36, do you care to write which are the many tactical mistakes??? I'm mean, how many films and movies have been made by Hollywood with almost total disregard of accuracy; in some cases, those are acceptable or bearable, and in others, well, NOT.
In this case, let's start with the fact that is a fantasy film, and though humans are often depicted as how we really are, elves and dwarves have different physical abilities that allows them to execute a wide array of maneuvers, therefore affecting the use of tactics.
@EddyGirón-r4k Dwarfs=Midgets
Elfs=very thin people
We got the real world counter parts,these types of people never changed battle tactics.
Dwarfs & Elfs don't have enough of a physical difference from humans to call for different tactics.
If one was a army of dragons then that physical difference would call for different tactics.
1:38 detailing is so fine
Elves first see orcs: oh shit this aint good
Dwarves firzt see orcs: oi m8 were gonna bash your fookin 'eads in
Thats why i love them
I declare the as canon
Asmar Ahsan where did i malign the Elves?
Asmar Ahsan its a joke dude. You're taking this way too damn seriously
These dwarves are absolute dumbass.
It's 2021 and tons of movies came out but this trilogy and The lord of the rings trilogy will never be forgotten, epic
If you don't know, their will be a Lord of The Rings show coming out in late 2021
yessssss
@colbypyles3831 it will be a soulless cashgrab just like the hobbit was.
Can’t wait for Amazon to ruin the legacy. Sorry but I just don’t have any faith. Hollywood again not letting classics remain legendary and feeling the need to continue recreating them. LOTR is the best trilogy of all time. Period. What makes someone think they can “top” it?!
this isnt lotr ... not exactly
God, a had the best childhood! Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Matrix, Batman, Pirates of Caribbean an others 90s-2000s were great!
Proud to say I've also grew up with those masterpieces
All there with you!
@aduantas But this decade movies are worst apart from Avengers
4/5 of the Pirates movies are terrible.
Meh each generation thinks they had it best. Indiana Jones, Die Hard Lethal Weapon were much better than this.
I could watch this movie all over again and again. This was a master piece in movie world.
Even after the backlash The Hobbit are getting, this is still far better than the 2 seasons of Rings of Power.
This is literally LOTR version of the Prequel Memes.
@mugthemagpie3001 Or, The Hobbit films are the Prequels to a much better trilogy.
RoP and the Disney SW Sequels are not legitimate
@RadRat1978, uhm, no wtf. Star Wars has a bigger fan base and their movies are better, Prequels over Hobbit...
@Faris-o9r GenX only cares about the original unaltered theatrical trilogy (1977-1983); we don't care about the rest, especially the fake Disney stuff. Hipsters really are the assassins of cool
Who gonna remember that woke show
Dwarves are forming a defence line, to let enemy smash on it like Spartans did.
Elves jump over them and go into open fight, instead of waiting them to collapse and jump into their heads.
TaCtIcAl DeCiSiOnS sUmMoNeR.
I know it bugs me too. That was an impressive wall the dwarves had there.
I think their intention was to lessen the blow on the Dwarf defensive line from the Orc onslaught, honestly it would have been smarter if the Elves reinforced the Dwarves as soon as the Dwarves took the impact.
The dwarven testudo was impenetrable 😹😹😹
The elves should have covered the dwarven flanks; which were wide open. The dwarves were asking to be enveloped. The dwarven cavalry should NEVER have been wasted on that head on charge into a spear wall. It is shown that the goats are easily capable of navigating in mountainous terrain. They should have been moved into advantageous positions in the mountains surrounding the elven army. A cavalry that is equally nimble as it has shock value... wasted on a head long charge into a spear wall. Good god. The dwarves had an overwhelming advantage with the number of cavalry they had compared to their own infantry. That was an insanely huge force of heavy shock. God I hate this so much.
Thankfully for everyone though, the elves are significantly weaker in the movies than the books. 10 times better than a human man in every way. 10 times as strong, fast, nimble, intelligent, visioned, etc.. they do not fatigue easily either. They don't even need to sleep. This is not a people you want to fight.. they aren't your typical dainty little forest sprites from every other fantasy.
@Fren69420 I know right. In this movie are shown worst tactical decisions.
Sucks to be an immortal that was killed in The first melee, for nothing really.
Well even if elves die they do reincarnate in the undying lands so
@westley5283 yeah but the wait time is like a thousand years 🤦♂️💀
@aengusog3415 oof
That part of elves always irritates me
@westley5283 they reincarnate only if that certain Valar allows it, if not they remain in something like His dimension or how to explain it. There was an elv that died reincarnated and returned to fight in middle earth
Sauron: "You will lead my armies, Azog."
Azog: "As you wish, Great One."
Sauron: "I trust you won't do anything stupid like interrupting the Elves and Dwarves fighting. Watching our foes slay each other is much more fun."
Azog: "...sure."
Oh thats a good one
not sure how he could relay a message to stop the worms bursting through as the fight started like 2 mins before they came
@jnes624 I fail to see your point.
@Vikingr4Jesus5919 In short. The timing was just bad. Azog had no idea that the elves and dwarves would be fighting at that exact moment. Obviously tactically it's better to let your enemies kill each other then finish them off. But by the time he would know. His army was to close to call them off to let them kill each other being literally minutes away. Despite they were ungerground in the worm tunnels as well so no way to contact them.
@jnes624 Exactly. The timing was way to close to arrival for him to react. Much less they were underground with the worms. Unfortunate for azog for a great opportunity.
Just wanna clarify this does not happen in the books. Gandalf breaks it up.
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@redacted8872 Excerpt from Tolkein Gateway: "When Dain's forces arrived, battle was almost joined between the two sides (now three armies were on the field) but at the last moment Gandalf intervened between the two and revealed that while they were bickering amongst themselves, the Goblins of the Misty Mountains and Grey Mountains under Bolg were using the opportunity to march against them."
@roen5986 daaaamn, dropping some lines from the book
this does not happen also in the movie. that's why this called directors cut
Colin W actually I seen this on TV recently, basically the two forces argue then the Orcs invade but the Dwarves quickly go into battle, then the elves follow suit.
Funny how the cavalry just evaporates as the orcs appear
They went back to their planet
oh, not really. If you look close in the scenes they're still there, they just get absolutely WALLOPED by the trolls.
well most of em got smoked by the elves 😂
@el_wazabi1752 k
Better than seeing nothing but darkness for nearly 10mins. winks
one of the best war scenes in movies.
Elves are OCD about their battle formations and I love it.
Who are elves dwarfs and the others ?
@suryam5957TN
@suryam5957 the elves are the tall blond people, the dwarves the short hairy people, the orcs are the gray things
@whiderboss do i need to watch Lord Of The Rings to understand the whole?
@suryam5957 no
90% talk about GOT
5 % Elves look beautiful
3% CGI
2 % elves vs dwarves
remember when everyone kept shitting on this movie?
goodbye jojo wdym ? That’s definitely in my top 5 ever
Every-time i watch it man so fucking intense and beautiful
1% you
@yugurtz 87& talk about GOT
5% Elves look beautiful
3% CGI
2% Elves and Dwarves
2% Talks about military tactics
1% Me who wants Battle of Dale, Battle under the trees and battle of Lorien to be adapted into a proper movie.
87& talk about GOT
5% Elves look beautiful
3% CGI
2% Elves and Dwarves
2% Talks about military tactics
1% Me who wants Battle of Dale, Battle under the trees and battle of Lorien to be adapted into a proper movie.
What an clever anti-arrow,arrow
Ketchapp agree!
Best part of the fight and when the dwarves charge the elves on goats and the elves just spread out and easily kill the dwarves. Shows off their battle strategies. Wish there were more things like that.
Indeeed
It went like_ nope nope nope nope nope
@SlabOfSteak but it isn't strategic at all. you could just fire the arrows by turns, the ballistas couldn't handle that.
WUHOOOOOO!!!! the synchronicity!!
forming a defensive wall of shield and spears, then having swordsmen jump over your heads, before breaking the formation completely at the last second and charging anyway.. whoever wrote that shit needs a slap
yeah it's absolutely annoying what hollywood thinks is cool.
The battle of winterfell...that is all.
Kinda late for this but actually, the elves did it so the dwarves wouldn't take the glory
rustilldown7 it’s not annoying if you watched it without judging you would realise that this was AMAZING! This whole battle was amazing, if you think this is bad... the battle of winter fell is worse
The high ground you know someone’s raging when they have to insult you 😂
*elves and dwarves fighting*
Orcs: *allow us to introduce ourselves*
Orcs: General Kenobi voice: "Hello there!"
Ourselve's*
NOW THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR ME
Elves and dwarves: SHUT UP CAN’T YOU SEE WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING!! WE WILL FIGHT LATER! .*continues fighting*.
Sonu kathat
Orc: Are you gonna wait until the battle is over and we can destroy the winner?
Arzog: No I dont think I will
Orcs don't think
I dont think Azog had a telephone to tell the worms to standby ^^
Alex The Awsome Sending scouts could days, weeks or months. Since they dont take a shortcut like the worms did. Orcs are more known to be fearless and swarming their enemies by their numbers. They are not known to be wise and use their intelligences.
Alex The Awsome My point is. There's is no reason for Azog to "wait"(From an orc perspective) for the dwarfs and elves to slaughter eachother. Since he want to slaughter both of them. And there's no common sense in orcs. Just obey and kill. And if anyone wins. They will just go in to the mountain. And that will just be harder for the orcs rather than an open field.
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The idea with the balista arrow blocker is really cool, but I wonder if it would work in real life? 1:08
Does anyone else notice how like more than half of each army just vanishes?
When the orcs attack where are the goats? Where are the Tiddlely Widdlelys? What happened to the elve army?
It's like here let's show a big game, but when we bring another army, the budget drops so let's cut half of everything and put them all on the orc side.
it's because it's the directors cut
dont let me down the elves went to help defend the city
@ohno-r9w It's all extra scenes that didn't make the theatrical version that didn't exactly align with the vision of what they wanted so they didn't exactly fix the extended scenes they are just there because why not. If not that then it's very likely continuity mistakes that really always happen.
Ya these movies suck
Some of the eleves and men went to the city to protect people
The elves jumping over the dwarven spear wall before it could impale the orcs was such a stupid tactic.
It looked cool, but I get what you mean.
Wait the elves only stabbed a few orcs, so the other orcs were probably pushed to the spears.
First it seems like the elves are not going to help, so when the elves jump over the dwarves it creates this cool moment of them helping when nobody expected it. Idk if this was the idea behind it, but it could be
@ej8455 Yes, Captain Obvious :D We get the reason behind the plot, it's just a really bad military tactic. They could've lined up at the flanks to extent the line, or flanked around to envelope the orcs, but instead they just jumped over a perfectly fine spear wall. Their archers could've also fired at least two volleys into the advancing orcs, but instead they appear to have had a coffee break. And the dwarven cavalry completely disappeared.
Altogether pretty stupid, to be honest.
@AGH331 bro it’s a movie chill with the total war shit
It never fails to make me cry when I see the elves vaulting over the dwarves shield wall. It’s tactically nonsensical but it’s too epic to be a plot hole. Idk if it’s weird that this makes my eyes leak it’s wholesome af
Nothing makes sense in life 💯
And to be fair to the Elves the Dwarf shield wall would eventually be useless so what’s the point?
@darthnihilus6839 did you just suggest that a phalanx, coupled with the fact its double layered with heavily armoured forces, *is useless?*
Its the best thing for the situation, and the elves jumping over wasted their lives, and the dwarves once they were forced to break ranks.
@theteutonking3306 Everything about what the elves did was nonsense, I get that they get endless respawns but they dont fight like a long lived race. They charged in a lose formation wielding only curved swords that were meant for cutting/slashing against armored and shielded Orcs, it was complete suicide... They should have reinforced the Dwarves flanks with their own heavy spear/shield infantry and fired volleys of arrows at the incoming orcs with their archers.
The elves probably didn't want the dwarves to take the credit. Plus it's in character for elves and dwarves to use opposing tactics.
I can’t see the reason why the directors had to cut this scene...
Me too, most epic i ve ever seen
For time and for reasons for people to buy the cd version
They probably cut the fighting between the dwarves and elves in order to present a simpler story. I can imagine that it's a little confusing if you're not a big Tolkien fan - seeing the "good guys" fight one another with very little reason for doing so. To clarify, if you know of the relationship between elves and dwarves this makes perfect sense, if you've only watched the movies and haven't looked into the backstory you'd probably find it odd (this was likely their thought process)!
Wolfie well even for this instant it doesn’t have any merit. The last time elves and dwarves fought each other was in the first age and perhaps the end of the second age as there has been some talk that Sauron corrupted some of the dwarves of the Far East and may have used wicked dwarves in his armies. HOWEVER, they would have been few and far between.
Wait? They cut this scene? I was at the theaters when they played this and saw this exact moment. Literally gave me the goose bumps.
"Hey, how do you like that! You twiddly widdleys!"
Oh man, classic
I saw ur comment exactly the second the sentence was said in the video ^^
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It's "the ole twiddly widdely"
@JustADinoGuy You're both wrong. Hes calling his anti arrows "the ol' twirly whirlys" but with a Scottish accent.
Ye buggers!
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Interesting
LOL
Dead meme
@levvy3006 yet effective
Levvy still funny
McSquizzy from Open Season roasting the king of the elves was my favorite part of this trilogy.
Still better than game of thrones season 8
Yes ! thank you preach !
What movie do you find it good and enjoyable and having good strategy?
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You can't really complain about GoT's cavalry charge not making sense and simultaneously praise the Elves jumping in front of the shield wall 🤔 Both are prioritizing mindless spectacle over story and logic.
Franz Styles nabhang
Movie director was like: "We'll let the two factions showing impressive racial traits and tactics when they were fighting each other but when the Orcs come we'll throw those tactics out of the window and let them break formation and get into melee fight just to show how desperate the situation is.
Worst part was the elves jumping the perfectly solid dwarven shield wall X( I would have loved to see that wall and the orcs clash, while the elves stay behind and fire volleys
Ian Sin Ikr? No matter which fantasy novel you’ve read they always portrayed elves as highly skilled archers and in the first trilogy even non-readers could tell Legolas and the elves were expert archers. But nope they had to switch to melee with larger, more numerous Orcs because, why not.
@iansin7722 Dwarven phalanx was shallow and a dwarf just has too little mass to hold an Orc tide. The elves diffusing the charge was actually a better move for their combined arms otherwise the dwarves would have been broken through surrounded and cut off. Once the elves and dwarves are combined then the best move is engaging the enemy main force in a defensive melee so Elven arches can have a field day.
@SolusLupi The Dwarf phalanx didn't span the valley and in real life would have been easily flanked. The correct strategy would have been for the Elves to complete the Dwarf phalanx or help them form a square, whilst their artillery and archers fired from behind. The Elves jumping into melee over the phalanx was not a good move, as now they're caught between a numerically superior enemy with a wall of spears at their back. Whilst Elves are vastly superior swordsmen pound for pound against Orcs, the sheer mass of the charge would have pushed them into their allies spears. Against a numerical disadvantage, you need smart strategy to win. This was not that. This also isn't how the battle was written in the novel.
"Never interrupt your enemies when they are making a mistake" Orc: This sign isn't gonna stop me because I can't read.
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One of the best co-op battles I've ever seen
When the dwarf arrives it was a huge army, then when they reformed up to fight the orcs the army size was shrunk. LOL
thats cause the huge army is extended the small army is the normal one
In that short time the elves probs killed most of them easily
then maybe you should watch this scene 10 times so that you can see, hahahah
when the dwarves attack the elves they only use 10-20% of their army, did you hear that they only send them the dwarves with the goats, and the other dwarves army are left in their position!
you better watch 3:15 hahaha
The dwarven rams not hitting any elves in their charge, and being boxed in an elven formation is actually a tactic used by Alexander the great in the battle of Gaugamela. Alexander's troops responded to the enemie's scythed chariots by opening up their ranks, creating alleys through which the chariots passed harmlessly, and finished them off when they were completely encircled.
The romans also did this, against the Carthagenian elephants at the battle of Zama.
So elves were going to beat dwarves had Azog not arrived.
@mrbencroft8251 I think the desperate worried expressions of Thorin and Co are quite telling.
But the dwarves didn't seem to have much going for them aside from their hax artilleries. Goat riders are weak. Many got killed don their way by elven arrows. Infantry crashed into Elven shieldwall. Only Dáin himself seemed elite.
@mrbencroft8251 I watched it on 0.25x speed and it looks pretty confusing. Like a bunch of elves are thrown back. But some stood their ground. It looks like they weren't hurt too badly.
Shit CGI is shit.
And we're not even talking about the fact those projectiles couldn't have possibly hit where they did. They disposed the arrows so they were moving in their direction, which means they should have hit the frontline archers. How the hell did they hit the back rows?!
Ws thinking the same thing
Thranduil: *loses 1/5 of his army because he launches arrows at dwarves*
Also Thranduil: *lets do that again*
"Again, but this time WITH SPIRIT!"
TBF he then sent his light infantry in front of the heavy infantry shieldwall, so at least he keeps the bad tactics consistent.
Don’t think he lost 1/5 of his army, it really just threw away a couple of archers, and in the next scenes, you can see how the army formation is complete, with no holes of dead soldiers, so it really didn’t kill that much
1:00 why can't i find this scene in the movie?
This battle is part of the extended edition
Extended edition
* elves and dwarves are fighting *
Orcs : yo wassup
*TEAM UP ACTIVATE*
lmao
more like
Weyt! Holdup!
I like it that the Elves and Dwarves united to fight a common enemy. They were literally just fighting each other minutes before
Elves majorly messed it up by jumping over perfect lines of spears lined up to break the Orc charge. They should have waited and either flanked the orcs on the sides or jump over literally a few seconds after the Orcs got stuck on the dwarven lines.
I think elves got their pride hurt when dwarves just abandoned fighting them. And also because they appeared first to the orcs.
seconds*
True. But I think the elves were too arrogant to let the dwarves have the first blow@TheElMuffin
Mmmm! Never understood why the orcs attacked. Let the dwarves and elves continue fighting so they slaughter each other and then simply pick off any survivors. Job done!
This has got to be the most satisfying and frustrating battle sequence throughout Jackson's adaptations, from a tactical and C2 perspective. The "twirlie-whirlie" countertactic employed by the dwarves was ingenious (artillery whose only doctrinal shortfall would be its niche operational utility), and then - although captured in only a few seconds - the column formations dynamically taken by the elves to "herd" the dwarven cavalry charge into a spear enclosure has me thinking of the Battle of Zama, 202 BC. The way the elves immediately begin to interoperate with the dwarves by forming up into small sections, opening up lanes for the dwarves to maneuver through. The orc's use of the banner to issue battlefield commands is likewise very cool.
BUT THEN THE ELVES PARKOUR OVER THE DAMN PHALANX!! WHY?! Sure- break up the orcs' charge, but that phalanx was perfectly set up for them to hold the orcs in place, while you did LITERALLY ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO! Reposition archers, or the dwarves their twirlie-whirlies, up onto the embankments and provide fire support; maneuver your swords to the wings of the dwarves' centre, so as to secure their flanks; maneuver troops around to the orcs' rear to neutralise the nydus worms (Starcraft 2 reference), cutting off the flow of troops- LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE WOULD PRODUCE A MORE COST EFFECTIVE BATTLEFIELD EFFECT!
I don't think you are taking in consideration the coolness factor for the phalanx jump.
Well, we all know Grandpa Elf, hates Dwarves all his life after his "precious" gets taken away, it's quite expected that a king would order his men to suicide just because of pride, think about it, the Elves probably hesitated to charge because of the fact that their king would send his men to the front of the phalanx, I mean they know a phalanx themselves so it's basically insane for someone to go over the phalanx when they know what it does. It's cool and it has some benefits like the element of surprise but yeah, suicidal and non-realistic but I will repeat it, it's _cool_
Btw that SC2 reference got me lol, you and I have the same thought on those worms everytime I see them after Starcraft
@gabrielsantiago4929 true, everyone knows coolness > Trueness
I remember seeing that in theater and facepalming. This could have been cool. Elves should have had a few volleys of arrow fire to break the charge. But looks like,e they just sacrificed two lines just for them to die.
Because it's a movie (Major General) I also agree with you though, but 🤣🤣 side characters have no plot armour
TBH, until now. This is still one of the best fight movie.
2:36 i remember the first time i watched this movie, i thought that signal mast was a para-glider, and that big white orc was gonna fly off with it.
Martin Holck this made me laugh
That would have been the greatest scene ever lol
That would be great idea, since it matches the orcs high adrenaline and blood thirst style.
Azog:Hey look at me,I'm batman
Me too
love how elves and dwarves hate each other but work flawlessly together when needed.
Oh but it was very flawed.
It's probably the elves pride to not get defended by their rivals and to be the ones in frontlines.
It's still very stupid though, considering the dwarves already have formed the phalanx formation.
Usually, Elves and Dwarves have *"lots of Prejudices"* against each other. But they do not necessarily hate each other. The Story in Lord of the Rings is that the Dwarves usually hold *ONE HELL of a Grudge* against the Elves for the Story with denying them Help when Smaugh sacked Erebor the lonely Mountain.
Many to most Dwarves seem to think that Elves are Cowards when it really counts and will leave You to die instead of suffering Losses themself when a powerful Enemy appears. This is why Dwarves are suuuuuper-hesitant to ally with Elves.
But the Dwarves should see Reason. There is no use dying against an overwhelmingly powerful Dragon like Smaug. You need the right Weaponry to wound and kill him. Otherwise You are just sending your People to die against him.
@OtherworIdIyдовбень. Ельфи на початку часів полювали на гномів і вирізали їх під корінь вважаючи тваринами
"flawlessly" the elves completely made the dwarf formation irrelevant by charging and dying.
When you suspend your disbelief this is an incredibly enjoyable scene. Then just laugh at what it gets wrong
I watched this scene back when I was a kid and I couldn't think of anything more epic. Now it feels like a one of those cinematic teaser for World of Warcraft. All flashy and good for marketing.
So it's funny bad.
It’s pretty awful compared to the older movies but I won’t lie the elves jumping the dwarf pike wall was pretty cool didn’t make much sense tactical but still cool 😂
Dain: "THE HORDES OF HELL ARE UPON US!"
Elves: *"Look majestic, everyone. Look majestic!"*
@김지섭 it is tho
@김지섭 why the hell are you so triggered?
@김지섭 lol what? Who actually talks like that lmao. you are probably a socially awkward person.
@김지섭 or what? You're gonna punch me? 😂🤣 Lol "shole" you are corny as fuck
@김지섭 lol I know what it means and that slang is rarely used that's why i said you were corny as fuck, You are really funny.
I love how like the elven king was like "the arrow volley didn't work, let's send another volley of arrows"
Literally this battle isn't that good but this is still a 100 x better than GOT season 8
Um no
Lord of the rings whole two towers movie beats both of GOT and this
Both pretty equally bad really
You know nothing Jason L
Shut up
The enemy of my enemy is actually also my enemy so I should turn my back to my enemy and hope that they become my friend so we can both work together to defeat this new enemy
Orcs are the main enemies of dwarfs and elves
zev senesca well no duh.
@Just_som_Ottur Yes they are
Even if the elves still wanted the dwarves dead they'd wait till they were all dead then advance on the orks
Thank you Sir Humphrey (like if you get the reference).
Dear God this was such a good series. This battle in particular!
Nowhere in the literature of Tolkien does he write: ‘ How do ye like that ? The old twiddly widdelues, hey hey you buggers ‘
Barry4B still funny though
I mean he obviously had fun playing his part
Well, his "Hobbit" book was really lame regarding the ending. It was basically... "Bilbo hit by rocc".
Beowulf cant rlly write a battle like this in a book. “ Dwarves charged onto elves riding goats but they had those spinny things and some died but then orcs showed up...”
So what, we all know Hobbit books were awful. If they were went for books movies would've been boring. I loved almost all the changes Jackson did. Hobbit movies are obviously not as good as LOTR, but they don't deserve all the hate they get
@InternalLocuss I'm no writer, but you can definitely write this scene into a novel. and it would work out just fine...
Elves have the coolest marches, and it's really neat how they're all in sync. But they really do suck at fighting.
I would like to see u fight one and anyways their strength comes from there achers
75% of these elves were not soldiers and were impulsively armoured and sent to fight just to increase elven numbers. Plus, the Mirkwood elves are definitely contenders for the spot of being the worst warriors among the elven race. These dwarves, men and orcs would’ve still absolutely no chance against the High Elves of the West or some of the First Age elves. Those fellas were easily the strongest race ever bred in mass numbers and there are account of them killing entire balrogs by themselves. Sad how they were so badly nerfed and shitly depicted in lotr and the hobbit, especially in this battle and the Siege of Helms Deep
seeing as Elves pretty much saved the world on many battles throughout the first, second and third age prior to the LOTR events or Hobbit Events, they are probably good at fighting, it's just the movies that fail to depict them as competent fighters for epicness value with reckless charging.
Darshan Gerald Thranduil fought good, but it’s hella unrealistic how they got butchered by dwarves and how their regular infantry could get taken down by orcs
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