3:25 To this day, I just...I can't even. WHAT? Elves, the WHOLE idea of that formation is to take the brunt of the charge. Pinning the enemy in place, allowing an easily outflank. Phalanx formations have been doing it since antiquity. It's like that for the same reason shields are broad and heavy armor is thick - to take the hit. By jumping over it, you merely demonstrate incompetence. And probably get some of your own number skewered on Dwarven spears in the places where it becomes a crush. I can't help but imagine the Dwarven officer's grunt of frustration at 3:42, because they now have to break their own phalanx in order to charge forwards and join the melee...with spears. Probably losing more soldiers, trying to save the Elves from themselves and their inexperience. **Edit** - Imagine you're watching a gritty war film on the Second Battle of Fallujah. And during the climax of the film, the music swells, and the soldiers charge out of their positions to run across an open courtyard to start clubbing the enemy with their rifles. And rather than simply shoot them, the enemy do the same, getting up and having a melee, for seemingly no reason. Then the tank crews do it. Followed by the helicopter pilots, who land their vehicles, dismount, and get stuck in with fisticuffs. It's not played for comedy. The Hans Zimmer music is blasting. And the director is filming this completely straight. Expecting it to look epic. But all it does is shine a spotlight on the directors lack of understanding. Lack of even preliminary research. And it makes the characters (particularly the losing characters) look like fools. THAT is the Battle of the Five Armies.
Yeah, same thing with the stupid Holywood idea, when all archers releasing arrows at the same time. Its like yeah lets waste our best skirmish weapon by shooting in volley so the enemy know when to rise the shields and take cover. And they do this in every damn movie
Ah I see you were also brought here today, nice. To be fair, I imagine Thranduil's call was something like "Don't let those dwarf fucks outdo us, rush the orcs!" But also, the battle direction is really bad and silly.
Womble apparently you don't get warfare, it's all about how epic you look while your fighting. When you do something epic, everything will turn slow motion, giving you valuable time to assess the situation. I mean if not that, than why wouldn't they fall back into erebor and dale or fall back to the high ground instead of charging an outnumbering opponent on a plane fucking field!
Lucky that the elves are dumb enough to fire a volley rather than just expending the same arrows in a withering rain. Even luckier that having seen it spectactularly fail once they immediately repeat the same mistake.
To be fair, the dwarves had too much plot armor to make not only such a ballista possible, but also have the elves be stupid enough to fire simultaneously two times instead of making a ranked volley, simply to make their ballistas effective. I mean, I am a fan of the dwarves but the whole scene was too set to make them look good
@@CriticalPosthumanism they survived the jump and were fighting, the wall opened up and joined them in battle right after their jump. They broke the tide. It wasnt a complete waste
@@vaterix4202 499 B.C. is after 500 B.C. He is referring to people before Sun Tzu so that's 501 B.C., meaning that before the writing of the Art of War, people did not know how to fight, like in this Lord of the Rings scene. Terrible battle tactics.
@@JACKAL98 It wasn't actually a thing because you can manage a lot more with CGI animation than you can with actual real world physics and mechanics. Like much of this trilogy, compared to LotR, they let rule of cool override logic. There's no way you could get a ballista (essentially a giant crossbow on wheels) to launch a huge spear like bolt with long tails, with a rapid enough rotation to maintain flight AND shred a volley of arrows. In reality, if you were to shoot something like that from a ballista, the tail end of the bolt would likely immediately drop and it would wobble slowly, vertically for a short distance, if you were lucky making it far enough that it didn't crash into your own infantry. The other reason is practicality. A shield wall, historically, was perfectly capable of standing up to arrow volleys. That is a lot more efficient than trying to design an artillery piece like this, and frees up your likely limited artillery selection for either better anti-troop or anti-building fire.
@@highkingthorgrimgrudgebear7468 Мany Russians too hate Russia, but when some little yankee says it -in us a bear wakes up. Don't forget, we Russian don't fucking care how many us die, but we take win
It's probably the elves pride to not get defended by their rivals and to be the ones in frontlines. It's still very stupid though, considering the dwarves already have formed the phalanx formation.
Usually, Elves and Dwarves have *"lots of Prejudices"* against each other. But they do not necessarily hate each other. The Story in Lord of the Rings is that the Dwarves usually hold *ONE HELL of a Grudge* against the Elves for the Story with denying them Help when Smaugh sacked Erebor the lonely Mountain. Many to most Dwarves seem to think that Elves are Cowards when it really counts and will leave You to die instead of suffering Losses themself when a powerful Enemy appears. This is why Dwarves are suuuuuper-hesitant to ally with Elves. But the Dwarves should see Reason. There is no use dying against an overwhelmingly powerful Dragon like Smaug. You need the right Weaponry to wound and kill him. Otherwise You are just sending your People to die against him.
well those elves are all older than everyone on the battlefield so they knew them for hundreds of years... ugh this is annoying to see peopl comment without even bein a fan of the lore idiots actually say much but hear little
2:45 "The hordes of hell are upon us! Fight to the death!" I love the fact that the Dwarves immediately recognize the threat of the Orcs and waste no time in forming a DOUBLE spear wall and bailing on the Elves. Meanwhile the elves just hold until the last moment when they realize what is happening. This is why I love the Dwarves.
its not that they belatedly realize the threat, i believe that they were unsure of what to do, especially when they were invaders just then, and thranduil didnt issue any further order
@@reedpadgett9056 but where the hell were the bats or all the other bs that was a total rewrite it's a spoof movie in all honesty not very accurate to the book
Elves majorly messed it up by jumping over perfect lines of spears lined up to break the Orc charge. They should have waited and either flanked the orcs on the sides or jump over literally a few seconds after the Orcs got stuck on the dwarven lines.
Can’t wait for Amazon to ruin the legacy. Sorry but I just don’t have any faith. Hollywood again not letting classics remain legendary and feeling the need to continue recreating them. LOTR is the best trilogy of all time. Period. What makes someone think they can “top” it?!
I personally think they rushed too far up to place the wall, I don't know why they ceded more distance when most of the elves are ranged and a few hundred feet can be the difference between two volleys or none.. especially when the elves jump over the wall. I laughed honestly, I forgot this movie after I saw it and this makes no sense.
@@sl_ipper Eh being as nimble as they are they could probably jump far enough over the spears Seeing as one of their kind managed to parkour up a falling bridge?!
“Eh, howdya like that? The ol’ twiddly widdlies. Haha ye buggars” I can just feel Tolkien’s influence in that line, truly capturing the how dialogue was handled in all of his books.
the high elves (although undeniably snobbish) are experts in hybrid missile infantry (much better than shown here) with good melee, armor and more importantly speed. their only weakness is artillery which coincidentally is the strong suit of dwarves so together they truly make the most formidable fighting force.
@@thegamingwolf5612 the differences are marginal and only appear in their magic and mounts (high have celestial magic and ride horses wood have earth magic and ride stags) so really not much diff in tactics or genetics. Another difference is high elves can summon the eagles but wood elves can summon treekin but that's about it
Those dwarven anti-archer balistas are pretty sick. Not only do they negate the archer volley but they can also attack at the same time. And shocking thousands of years old Elvish king is also a nice bonus.
I love how quick to adapt the dwarves are. Without hesitation, after the Goblins announce themselves, they all change direction toward the goblins and set up formation, all while the Elves are trying to make sense of whats going on lol. What a scene.
they weren't unaware of what was happening, rather they were unsure if they were to help the dwarves or not seeing as they were supposed to take the mountain for themselves, that was until king Thranduil changed his mind.
@@Lucifer-we5mc I believe that the elves are immortal as long as they don't get killed. So they have an immortal natural life, but they can be killed by others.
@@Lucifer-we5mc immortals in general in fact, the Elves last as long as the world lasts. But their bodies can be destroyed and they are reborn in Aman, the Blessed Country, from which they can never leave. So it's as if they disappear forever from the world. I do not know how the Dark Elves take the fact of being stuck there but I think they should not be happier.
To be honest of all the "good" races of Tolkien, the godlike beings not included, the dwarves are the one I'd be most afraid of fighting. While individual elves are far superior to dwarves, the dwarves in general are a very physically powerful race that's been forced into a warlike culture and who has the most difficult towns to conquer. Wanna beat humans? Level their towns and fields. Wanna beat the elves? Burn that forest. Wanna beat dwarves? Now.. How the shit do we dismantle a mountain while having an army of tiny roided dudes fighting in cohesive units sallying out. (this especially holds true for the movie version, since the unit formations presented by the dwarves are VASTLY superior to anything both elves and men present. The typical elven formation we see seems to have a focus on mobility and skirmish power, while the dwarven legions seems to have a massive focus on tactical flexibility, to clarify they show technologically advanced field artillery, roman like formations made up of infantry fully armored and with tower shields. An army like that would be nigh on impossible to beat for the typical elven or human armies we've seen in all the movies combined. Bows are typically useless against full armour, especially when said armour is accompanied by tower shields used in unison. All a dwarven army would have to do in a field battle would be to hold their ground and wait for the enemy to run out of arrows, a charge is unlikely due to the combination of their stature, shields and spears and even if anyone were to do so - they'd die.) Edit: It's heater shields, my bad!
Seeing how the dwarves responded quickly to the arrival of the other army shows that they are naturally impulsive. Whilst the elves are more contained they do not move until they are told to do so. But above all both creatures fought admirably in this scene.
I wouldn't call it impulsive, I'd call it survival mixed in with good training (A phalanx-shield-wall is just about the best thing against charging infantry (and cavalry, too) - unless you have modern machine-guns, artillery, mortars and mines, but if you don't? Well shield wall and if you have time to prepare? Dig some pits with pointy sticks in them, works on Orcs, too :) - the Elfs shouldn't have jumped over (ruins the effectiveness of the wall!)
I like to think the dwarves are more aggressive and reckless because they are mortal, so they are going to die anyway, doesn't matter when. Whereas, the elves are immortal, so their lives are more costly and fragile as they could live forever, making conserving elven lives more of a priority.
The dwarves are so brave in this scene when the orcs arrive. No questions asked, they go straight to their death to deal with the Mordor army. God I love them
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I like this battle a lot because it shows the dwarves and elves, both studying and preparing for each other´s tactics but also understimating each other. First the elves, thinking that dwarves are only used to close combat battles in the mines, try to overwhelm them with arrows, but the dwarves were prepared and counter them with ballistas that were clearly designed just for that. But then the dwarves charge at the elves with goats, thinking they are only used to fighting at the distance in the woods behind the trees, only to be surprised by the elves´ incredibly organized spear formation, which traps and slaughters the riders.
Glad you noticed that because most comments only notice the dwarves anti-arrow defence and miss the fact the elves countered the dwarves cavalry charge.
1:50 The Strategy of the Elves where not good at all, they let the Riders in letting most of their army getting slaughtered behind, now the Elves with shield are also surrounded in both direction, with the Riders and the army pinning them, sure they got some of the riders, but what are they gonna do to those who breached through their second defense/offensive line of armies? The shields purpose is to block and prevent anything from entering, but they decide that its a good idea to just let the riders get behind the Backline Next scene on them being an Ally The Elves jumped over the Dwarves who’s position was already good and would kill and stop most orcs from getting past through, the formation they had was already good But the elves decided to jump out of those defenses through the spears of the dwarves right through the Orcs, now the dwarves will now have a hard time attacking and also avoiding on harming the elves that is infront of them 3:43 The dwarves charging with their shields and spears is very effective, tho the elves are infront of them still, which would or could get them killed or harmed, and also making it harder for the dwarves overall. The only good thing the Elves did here was shooting a barrage of arrows on the Orc’s, also the Elves seemed to be loosing when the Riders got through the elves defenses.
@@Zenith07 Your second point is true. The Elves jumping over the Dwarven Shield wall was stupid. But the first point is debatable. While the initial shield wall seems a little unnecessary, and suicidal for the Elves that composed it (I think it was intended as a sort of speed bump), the "pits" their army formed allowed empty spaces in-between that essentially funneled the Dwarven cavalry into kill-zones. On principle alone, that *will* obliterate any cavalry, as animals will prefer the easiest route and run into the empty space, surrounding themselves and their riders with Elven soldiers on all three sides. To prove my point: Do you see any more dwarven cavalry after the initial battle other than Dáin's pig? None, because they were obliterated by the Elves.
i mean, no not really, you cant technically put the blame on the elves, when a "mistake" like this happens, the blame should be directed to the directors. Sure the elves are just fictional but its still wrong
@@elano5386 jumping over the wall wasn't really about tactics, it was about getting to orcs before dwarves. One person controls what elven army is doing, and that person is pissed and insulted at that moment.
Anyone complaining about the CG in this are just being spiteful haters to the core. It may not be quite as spectacular as LOTR, but this is still some of the most complex, well-done CG ever to come out of Hollywood. I watch this and it doesn't even occur to me that it's mostly CG. I'm just too involved in the story and the action. Just like when I watch LOTR, I think of Gollum as a real true character. It's absolutely amazing to me that people are that pretentious and spoiled as to complain about what is essentially some of the best effects they could have done given the scope of the project and timeframe.
@@Noold Billy Connolly was cast as Dain. A quick search turned up that the reason they did his character in CG is most likely because of Billy's Parkinson's Disease. They did actually do scenes with him in full costume, but his Parkinson's made his performance difficult and cause him to mess up his lines on set. So they had him do a voiceover with lines in front of him in the studio and replaced him with a CG character.
@@Noold Don't forget by the time it came for The Five Armies photography, Billy's Parkinson's had worsened. They really had no choice but to just use his audio and replace his acting for those scenes with the CG double.
Imagine being a hobbit where orcs, goblins, trolls, wargs, men, elves, dwarves, gargoyles, and a giant ring worm all trying to kill each other. Like, wtf my species is back there smoking pot playing with mud and galabanting around
Dwarves: Set up a strong defensive line so that the elves can reinforce it or provide arrow support and wipe out the orcs Wise elves with thousands of years of experience: cHaRgE! REEEEEEE
@@oraseus90 I thought it would be appropriate to point out that they, in canon, will be resurrected to fight side-by-side against all the evil forces of the world in Dagor Dagorath
What are them to think of orcs like tha, mate? Some kinda Hitlā? Like, literally Hitlā? Tolkin were so racist, that horrible hetero white man, yuck, the holy trinity of evil> Hetero.and.white.and... Man... I wanna see orcs making love, im so progressive
I should be more progressive then, and rewrite tolkien's work to be more fitting to today's societal estandards. You should read some really gooda articles about Tolkien being racist because his orcs are evil. theyre right there on google. Maybe youll find im shatter than that.
This has got to be the most satisfying and frustrating battle sequence throughout Jackson's adaptations, from a tactical and C2 perspective. The "twirlie-whirlie" countertactic employed by the dwarves was ingenious (artillery whose only doctrinal shortfall would be its niche operational utility), and then - although captured in only a few seconds - the column formations dynamically taken by the elves to "herd" the dwarven cavalry charge into a spear enclosure has me thinking of the Battle of Zama, 202 BC. The way the elves immediately begin to interoperate with the dwarves by forming up into small sections, opening up lanes for the dwarves to maneuver through. The orc's use of the banner to issue battlefield commands is likewise very cool. BUT THEN THE ELVES PARKOUR OVER THE DAMN PHALANX!! WHY?! Sure- break up the orcs' charge, but that phalanx was perfectly set up for them to hold the orcs in place, while you did LITERALLY ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO! Reposition archers, or the dwarves their twirlie-whirlies, up onto the embankments and provide fire support; maneuver your swords to the wings of the dwarves' centre, so as to secure their flanks; maneuver troops around to the orcs' rear to neutralise the nydus worms (Starcraft 2 reference), cutting off the flow of troops- LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE WOULD PRODUCE A MORE COST EFFECTIVE BATTLEFIELD EFFECT!
Well, we all know Grandpa Elf, hates Dwarves all his life after his "precious" gets taken away, it's quite expected that a king would order his men to suicide just because of pride, think about it, the Elves probably hesitated to charge because of the fact that their king would send his men to the front of the phalanx, I mean they know a phalanx themselves so it's basically insane for someone to go over the phalanx when they know what it does. It's cool and it has some benefits like the element of surprise but yeah, suicidal and non-realistic but I will repeat it, it's _cool_ Btw that SC2 reference got me lol, you and I have the same thought on those worms everytime I see them after Starcraft
I remember seeing that in theater and facepalming. This could have been cool. Elves should have had a few volleys of arrow fire to break the charge. But looks like,e they just sacrificed two lines just for them to die.
Sauron: "You will lead my armies, Azog." Azog: "As you wish, Great One." Sauron: "I trust you won't do anything stupid like interrupting the Elves and Dwarves fighting. Watching our foes slay each other is much more fun." Azog: "...sure."
@@Vikingr4Jesus5919 In short. The timing was just bad. Azog had no idea that the elves and dwarves would be fighting at that exact moment. Obviously tactically it's better to let your enemies kill each other then finish them off. But by the time he would know. His army was to close to call them off to let them kill each other being literally minutes away. Despite they were ungerground in the worm tunnels as well so no way to contact them.
@@jnes624 Exactly. The timing was way to close to arrival for him to react. Much less they were underground with the worms. Unfortunate for azog for a great opportunity.
Best part of the fight and when the dwarves charge the elves on goats and the elves just spread out and easily kill the dwarves. Shows off their battle strategies. Wish there were more things like that.
Don’t think he lost 1/5 of his army, it really just threw away a couple of archers, and in the next scenes, you can see how the army formation is complete, with no holes of dead soldiers, so it really didn’t kill that much
It never fails to make me cry when I see the elves vaulting over the dwarves shield wall. It’s tactically nonsensical but it’s too epic to be a plot hole. Idk if it’s weird that this makes my eyes leak it’s wholesome af
@@darthnihilus6839 did you just suggest that a phalanx, coupled with the fact its double layered with heavily armoured forces, *is useless?* Its the best thing for the situation, and the elves jumping over wasted their lives, and the dwarves once they were forced to break ranks.
@@theteutonking3306 Everything about what the elves did was nonsense, I get that they get endless respawns but they dont fight like a long lived race. They charged in a lose formation wielding only curved swords that were meant for cutting/slashing against armored and shielded Orcs, it was complete suicide... They should have reinforced the Dwarves flanks with their own heavy spear/shield infantry and fired volleys of arrows at the incoming orcs with their archers.
Just the fact that both elves and dwarves ended their fight the moment the orcs entered the battlefield is astonishing. Elves and dwarves may have a never ending hate against each other but when it comes against orcs they just run and face them off with no second thought.
@Alex The Awsome Sending scouts could days, weeks or months. Since they dont take a shortcut like the worms did. Orcs are more known to be fearless and swarming their enemies by their numbers. They are not known to be wise and use their intelligences.
@Alex The Awsome My point is. There's is no reason for Azog to "wait"(From an orc perspective) for the dwarfs and elves to slaughter eachother. Since he want to slaughter both of them. And there's no common sense in orcs. Just obey and kill. And if anyone wins. They will just go in to the mountain. And that will just be harder for the orcs rather than an open field.
I watched this scene back when I was a kid and I couldn't think of anything more epic. Now it feels like a one of those cinematic teaser for World of Warcraft. All flashy and good for marketing.
It’s pretty awful compared to the older movies but I won’t lie the elves jumping the dwarf pike wall was pretty cool didn’t make much sense tactical but still cool 😂
You can't really complain about GoT's cavalry charge not making sense and simultaneously praise the Elves jumping in front of the shield wall 🤔 Both are prioritizing mindless spectacle over story and logic.
Dwarves are forming a defence line, to let enemy smash on it like Spartans did. Elves jump over them and go into open fight, instead of waiting them to collapse and jump into their heads. TaCtIcAl DeCiSiOnS sUmMoNeR.
I think their intention was to lessen the blow on the Dwarf defensive line from the Orc onslaught, honestly it would have been smarter if the Elves reinforced the Dwarves as soon as the Dwarves took the impact.
The elves should have covered the dwarven flanks; which were wide open. The dwarves were asking to be enveloped. The dwarven cavalry should NEVER have been wasted on that head on charge into a spear wall. It is shown that the goats are easily capable of navigating in mountainous terrain. They should have been moved into advantageous positions in the mountains surrounding the elven army. A cavalry that is equally nimble as it has shock value... wasted on a head long charge into a spear wall. Good god. The dwarves had an overwhelming advantage with the number of cavalry they had compared to their own infantry. That was an insanely huge force of heavy shock. God I hate this so much. Thankfully for everyone though, the elves are significantly weaker in the movies than the books. 10 times better than a human man in every way. 10 times as strong, fast, nimble, intelligent, visioned, etc.. they do not fatigue easily either. They don't even need to sleep. This is not a people you want to fight.. they aren't your typical dainty little forest sprites from every other fantasy.
@@yugurtz 87& talk about GOT 5% Elves look beautiful 3% CGI 2% Elves and Dwarves 2% Talks about military tactics 1% Me who wants Battle of Dale, Battle under the trees and battle of Lorien to be adapted into a proper movie.
87& talk about GOT 5% Elves look beautiful 3% CGI 2% Elves and Dwarves 2% Talks about military tactics 1% Me who wants Battle of Dale, Battle under the trees and battle of Lorien to be adapted into a proper movie.
The crazy thing is, these are Silvan Elves, known to be the lesser of the elves. They're perfect, but it's insane to think the Noldor were the superior fighters and craftsmen.
The dwarves and elves could be such a power house if they fought together like this. The scene where the when arrows rip through the trolls and fist wave is amazing with the dwarves following on their little chariots of doom.
I was happy that dwarves were getting there representation in this series. We knew mankind was cool, elves are badass, orcs are cool, but now my favorite race(dwarf) are being showcased and I love it.
Giving props to the people behind this and have subsequently given us this masterpiece. The production, the scoring, and just the overall layout is more than enough to immerse you in their world.
The dwarven rams not hitting any elves in their charge, and being boxed in an elven formation is actually a tactic used by Alexander the great in the battle of Gaugamela. Alexander's troops responded to the enemie's scythed chariots by opening up their ranks, creating alleys through which the chariots passed harmlessly, and finished them off when they were completely encircled.
@@mrbencroft8251 I think the desperate worried expressions of Thorin and Co are quite telling. But the dwarves didn't seem to have much going for them aside from their hax artilleries. Goat riders are weak. Many got killed don their way by elven arrows. Infantry crashed into Elven shieldwall. Only Dáin himself seemed elite.
@@mrbencroft8251 I watched it on 0.25x speed and it looks pretty confusing. Like a bunch of elves are thrown back. But some stood their ground. It looks like they weren't hurt too badly. Shit CGI is shit. And we're not even talking about the fact those projectiles couldn't have possibly hit where they did. They disposed the arrows so they were moving in their direction, which means they should have hit the frontline archers. How the hell did they hit the back rows?!
Another thing, the Elves strategic defense against the Dwarves was really nice and made a lot more sense than when they just went ape wild and just jumped right in front of a shield wall against enemies charging at full speed.
High Elves excel as warriors, having trained in martial disciplines for the equivalent of many men's lifetimes with a particular focus on hybrid missile infantry units and classical bow/sword combat so the lore holds well here despite a seemingly foolish maneuver
@@veritasabsoluta4285 ideally you would have the Dwarven spearmen hold the line below chest level allowing the taller Elven archers to snipe neck shots all day from the back
Most of them complain about Azog dumb strategy to interrupt enemy while they fight,but for real, Azog is a villain character inside this story and he is making mistake, i dont see the point of complaining about his strategy, cant we just enjoy the film and seeing villain making a mistake, just that evil character is making mistake to create a chance for good character, its pretty normal in film, even real life people make mistake, why do they even bother, right whatever maybe they just thought they are watching a streamer making mistake in game then so eager to point it out
The experts here think elves and dwarves who hate each other and have never fought as allies should know how to coordinate perfectly. They also think the berserking bloodthirsty monsters who even hurt and kill themselves in their rage should have the cool collected rationales of pro chess players.
2:50 idk why but the way the elves regroup into squads while dwarves rushes to form a shield wall is just beautiful. aww man I hope there were others who noticed this. It was a small but nice detail.
There are a lot of moments I enjoyed throughout the Hobbit movies but the moment @3:55 where the elves fire a volley of arrow taking out a big threat in aiding the dwarves is really cool to see because regardless of what issues both sides where dealing with it shows that the 2 sides can easily fight together like one
"How do you like that, the old twirley-whirlies? Ha, ha, you buggers!" Best line in war, EVER. I also love how at 2:47 the elves and dwarves don't care to attack eachother and just form an allience and work together.
That’s line is not only an affront to the entire world of middle earth, but also one of the worst pieces of battle dialogue I’ve ever heard in a movie. Jesus Christ Tolkien is rolling in his grave.
Yeah nothing sounds more awesome than "twirly-whirly", if someone uttered the word bugger at me during war I'd freeze in place, that person must be death incarnate to use such language, incredible.
Yeah, they would indeed. If you could find goats big enough. They have heavily armed and armored heads and are more naturally inclined to charge than any horse that ever lived. It makes sense that dwarves would have goats though. Dwarves live in mountains. Goats live in and on mountains.
Say what you want about the hobbit movies, you have to admit they have some beautiful shots, good world building, the style of armor that all the armies use, and epic battles. Truly underrated movies.
CGI is capable of some spectacular visuals. But it still doesn't look half as good as the original trilogy that knew when to rely on CGI and when not to. Here its just overused and garish. As for world building... I don't know what part of this is good world building.
Beowulf cant rlly write a battle like this in a book. “ Dwarves charged onto elves riding goats but they had those spinny things and some died but then orcs showed up...”
So what, we all know Hobbit books were awful. If they were went for books movies would've been boring. I loved almost all the changes Jackson did. Hobbit movies are obviously not as good as LOTR, but they don't deserve all the hate they get
@@westley5283 they reincarnate only if that certain Valar allows it, if not they remain in something like His dimension or how to explain it. There was an elv that died reincarnated and returned to fight in middle earth
Movie director was like: "We'll let the two factions showing impressive racial traits and tactics when they were fighting each other but when the Orcs come we'll throw those tactics out of the window and let them break formation and get into melee fight just to show how desperate the situation is.
Worst part was the elves jumping the perfectly solid dwarven shield wall X( I would have loved to see that wall and the orcs clash, while the elves stay behind and fire volleys
Ian Sin Ikr? No matter which fantasy novel you’ve read they always portrayed elves as highly skilled archers and in the first trilogy even non-readers could tell Legolas and the elves were expert archers. But nope they had to switch to melee with larger, more numerous Orcs because, why not.
@@iansin7722 Dwarven phalanx was shallow and a dwarf just has too little mass to hold an Orc tide. The elves diffusing the charge was actually a better move for their combined arms otherwise the dwarves would have been broken through surrounded and cut off. Once the elves and dwarves are combined then the best move is engaging the enemy main force in a defensive melee so Elven arches can have a field day.
@@SolusLupi The Dwarf phalanx didn't span the valley and in real life would have been easily flanked. The correct strategy would have been for the Elves to complete the Dwarf phalanx or help them form a square, whilst their artillery and archers fired from behind. The Elves jumping into melee over the phalanx was not a good move, as now they're caught between a numerically superior enemy with a wall of spears at their back. Whilst Elves are vastly superior swordsmen pound for pound against Orcs, the sheer mass of the charge would have pushed them into their allies spears. Against a numerical disadvantage, you need smart strategy to win. This was not that. This also isn't how the battle was written in the novel.
1:39 Gotta love the elves elegant yet neat looking tactical flair in formation. I mean, the whole idea with creating pockets like that to funnel in chariots was practically invented by Alexander the Great and used in great effect at the battle of Gaugamela. This movie really helped showcase the elegant, accurate and skillful tactical prowess of the elven warmachine at display, but also gave us the rough, innovative and robust flair of the dwarfs. Two very distinct methods of warfare that really fits the two races perfectly.
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3:25 To this day, I just...I can't even. WHAT?
Elves, the WHOLE idea of that formation is to take the brunt of the charge. Pinning the enemy in place, allowing an easily outflank. Phalanx formations have been doing it since antiquity. It's like that for the same reason shields are broad and heavy armor is thick - to take the hit. By jumping over it, you merely demonstrate incompetence. And probably get some of your own number skewered on Dwarven spears in the places where it becomes a crush.
I can't help but imagine the Dwarven officer's grunt of frustration at 3:42, because they now have to break their own phalanx in order to charge forwards and join the melee...with spears. Probably losing more soldiers, trying to save the Elves from themselves and their inexperience.
**Edit** - Imagine you're watching a gritty war film on the Second Battle of Fallujah. And during the climax of the film, the music swells, and the soldiers charge out of their positions to run across an open courtyard to start clubbing the enemy with their rifles. And rather than simply shoot them, the enemy do the same, getting up and having a melee, for seemingly no reason. Then the tank crews do it. Followed by the helicopter pilots, who land their vehicles, dismount, and get stuck in with fisticuffs.
It's not played for comedy. The Hans Zimmer music is blasting. And the director is filming this completely straight. Expecting it to look epic.
But all it does is shine a spotlight on the directors lack of understanding. Lack of even preliminary research. And it makes the characters (particularly the losing characters) look like fools. THAT is the Battle of the Five Armies.
Yeah, same thing with the stupid Holywood idea, when all archers releasing arrows at the same time. Its like yeah lets waste our best skirmish weapon by shooting in volley so the enemy know when to rise the shields and take cover. And they do this in every damn movie
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Time for a Lord of the Rings Bullshittery?
Ah I see you were also brought here today, nice. To be fair, I imagine Thranduil's call was something like "Don't let those dwarf fucks outdo us, rush the orcs!" But also, the battle direction is really bad and silly.
Womble apparently you don't get warfare, it's all about how epic you look while your fighting.
When you do something epic, everything will turn slow motion, giving you valuable time to assess the situation.
I mean if not that, than why wouldn't they fall back into erebor and dale or fall back to the high ground instead of charging an outnumbering opponent on a plane fucking field!
You gotta give it to the Dwarves. Their anti-arrows defense is on another level...
Lucky that the elves are dumb enough to fire a volley rather than just expending the same arrows in a withering rain. Even luckier that having seen it spectactularly fail once they immediately repeat the same mistake.
To be fair, the dwarves had too much plot armor to make not only such a ballista possible, but also have the elves be stupid enough to fire simultaneously two times instead of making a ranked volley, simply to make their ballistas effective.
I mean, I am a fan of the dwarves but the whole scene was too set to make them look good
Why are these elves not as quick as Legolas.... Something wrong in there!
@@lappansommer546 0
*are
"Don't you think it'd be better to wait till they kill each other? "
"Nah, send them out. It's gonna look epic."
Also: "let's jump over the dwarfen shield wall for 0 reason so the orcs can push us back into the dwarfen spears"
200 iq battle tactics!!
LMAO
Yes that's what I was telling everyone
@@CriticalPosthumanism they survived the jump and were fighting, the wall opened up and joined them in battle right after their jump. They broke the tide. It wasnt a complete waste
Lmaooo 💀
I love how each race has their own attributes that make them great.
Elves are wise, and elegant; but the dwarves are brave and mighty.
What about the orcs?
@@DoGyKG They are just many
@@DoGyKG brutal
Orcs in great numbers are relentless. But they start to coware when their numbers fall.
Elves are so wise? They jumped over a defensive wall to be killed.
Elves are like, "No, orcs, only we get to bully dwarves. Fuck off."
“No, orcs, only we get to kill Elves. Fuck off”
That's pretty much what it is yeah. *If anyone is gonna kill those point eared bastards IT'S GONNA BE US*
Sun Tzu writes "The Art of War" in 500 BC.
People in 501 BC:
Hahaha underrated comment 🤣
@Carter Johnson After. When going B.C. you go backwards. 500 B.C is one year after 501 B.C.
@@vaterix4202 no thats wrong. B.C. dates work backwards the closer you move towards the future.
@@vaterix4202 499 B.C. is after 500 B.C. He is referring to people before Sun Tzu so that's 501 B.C., meaning that before the writing of the Art of War, people did not know how to fight, like in this Lord of the Rings scene. Terrible battle tactics.
imnot you you are an absolute thicko
The twiddly-widdly ballistas are possibly the coolest medieval-fantasy tech I’ve ever seen.
That elf guy was all “You can’t do that!” Lmao
Its genius level stuff, like why wasnt this an actual thing it blocks volleys of arrows and causes massive damage to the opposing force.
@@JACKAL98 I was thinking exactly the same, such a nice strategy
@@JACKAL98 It wasn't actually a thing because you can manage a lot more with CGI animation than you can with actual real world physics and mechanics. Like much of this trilogy, compared to LotR, they let rule of cool override logic.
There's no way you could get a ballista (essentially a giant crossbow on wheels) to launch a huge spear like bolt with long tails, with a rapid enough rotation to maintain flight AND shred a volley of arrows. In reality, if you were to shoot something like that from a ballista, the tail end of the bolt would likely immediately drop and it would wobble slowly, vertically for a short distance, if you were lucky making it far enough that it didn't crash into your own infantry.
The other reason is practicality. A shield wall, historically, was perfectly capable of standing up to arrow volleys. That is a lot more efficient than trying to design an artillery piece like this, and frees up your likely limited artillery selection for either better anti-troop or anti-building fire.
@David Copperfield A person asked a question, he answered with an in depth answer. I found it interesting
Love how the dwarves don't think twice about charging the orcs
Dwarves hate elves and Elves hate them back. but both hate Orcs more XD
How people from Boston and people from NYC react when Russia invades.
@pet detective I am 100% certain you are wrong, because we have our own Russians here, and they fucking hate Russia.
Nahoy blyat.
@@highkingthorgrimgrudgebear7468 Мany Russians too hate Russia, but when some little yankee says it -in us a bear wakes up.
Don't forget, we Russian don't fucking care how many us die, but we take win
@@discodictator8981 K bud. My best friend is from Vladivostok, you dont scare me. Chill out and enjoy some doctorska kolbasa on rye. Eta zybis
love how elves and dwarves hate each other but work flawlessly together when needed.
Oh but it was very flawed.
It's probably the elves pride to not get defended by their rivals and to be the ones in frontlines.
It's still very stupid though, considering the dwarves already have formed the phalanx formation.
Usually, Elves and Dwarves have *"lots of Prejudices"* against each other. But they do not necessarily hate each other. The Story in Lord of the Rings is that the Dwarves usually hold *ONE HELL of a Grudge* against the Elves for the Story with denying them Help when Smaugh sacked Erebor the lonely Mountain.
Many to most Dwarves seem to think that Elves are Cowards when it really counts and will leave You to die instead of suffering Losses themself when a powerful Enemy appears. This is why Dwarves are suuuuuper-hesitant to ally with Elves.
But the Dwarves should see Reason. There is no use dying against an overwhelmingly powerful Dragon like Smaug. You need the right Weaponry to wound and kill him. Otherwise You are just sending your People to die against him.
@@AszkalonOfVerraдовбень. Ельфи на початку часів полювали на гномів і вирізали їх під корінь вважаючи тваринами
"flawlessly" the elves completely made the dwarf formation irrelevant by charging and dying.
2:47 "The hordes of hell are upon us!"
Dwarves: run to form defensive shield line.
Elves: line up for epic hair commercial.
Gotta have the upper hand with the flowing hair
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Yeah just like Favio in old spice !
Lol, I thought it too.
3:20 bolton pike wall
I love how shocked the elves get when suffering losses. The notion of death is so unnatural to them, they know every loss could have been avoided.
well those elves are all older than everyone on the battlefield so they knew them for hundreds of years... ugh this is annoying to see peopl comment without even bein a fan of the lore idiots actually say much but hear little
@@benramon6287 People aren't idiots for not knowing the details of a fucking fictional world.
@@MetalCharlo Agreed.
@@benramon6287 sheesh wonder why it took so much time for these to get new fans, nasty as an orc are you?
@@benramon6287 I bet you felt so supperior writing this.
2:45 "The hordes of hell are upon us! Fight to the death!"
I love the fact that the Dwarves immediately recognize the threat of the Orcs and waste no time in forming a DOUBLE spear wall and bailing on the Elves. Meanwhile the elves just hold until the last moment when they realize what is happening. This is why I love the Dwarves.
the dwarves are defending their home while the elves are taking their home so make sense
its not that they belatedly realize the threat, i believe that they were unsure of what to do, especially when they were invaders just then, and thranduil didnt issue any further order
Yea they all recognized the goblin and worg army but I saw no orcs or the like
@@reaty05 in the books and according to Tolkien himself there is no discernible difference between goblins and orcs
@@reedpadgett9056 but where the hell were the bats or all the other bs that was a total rewrite it's a spoof movie in all honesty not very accurate to the book
I like it that the Elves and Dwarves united to fight a common enemy. They were literally just fighting each other minutes before
Elves majorly messed it up by jumping over perfect lines of spears lined up to break the Orc charge. They should have waited and either flanked the orcs on the sides or jump over literally a few seconds after the Orcs got stuck on the dwarven lines.
I think elves got their pride hurt when dwarves just abandoned fighting them. And also because they appeared first to the orcs.
It's 2021 and tons of movies came out but this trilogy and The lord of the rings trilogy will never be forgotten, epic
If you don't know, their will be a Lord of The Rings show coming out in late 2021
yessssss
@@colbypyles3831 it will be a soulless cashgrab just like the hobbit was.
Can’t wait for Amazon to ruin the legacy. Sorry but I just don’t have any faith. Hollywood again not letting classics remain legendary and feeling the need to continue recreating them. LOTR is the best trilogy of all time. Period. What makes someone think they can “top” it?!
this isnt lotr ... not exactly
Anyone else think the dwarves setting up their shield wall looks awesome? Just how quickly and efficiently they do it too.
And then the Elves skewer themselves on the spears
I personally think they rushed too far up to place the wall, I don't know why they ceded more distance when most of the elves are ranged and a few hundred feet can be the difference between two volleys or none.. especially when the elves jump over the wall. I laughed honestly, I forgot this movie after I saw it and this makes no sense.
@@sl_ipper Eh being as nimble as they are they could probably jump far enough over the spears
Seeing as one of their kind managed to parkour up a falling bridge?!
i think Dwarves are like the tank class for there size to make a good Atk/ Def combo when need it
No! You're the only one, and 438 others + 5, assuming that the 5 comments agree with you!
Still better strategy than the Battle of Winterfell.
Still they won. Hi, plot armor
Blue Moon THEY LOST. ENDING SUCKED. FUCK BRAN THE PUSSYLESS
I'd say jumping over a shield wall is on the same level of putting your army in front of your moat and outside your walls.
Wolfram von Vyller, the Wizard but then again those are elves not humans 😌
@@Lastskykey Swords and spears still harm them.
Gimli was right, Dwarves really are natural sprinters
If only warhammer thought the same
“Eh, howdya like that? The ol’ twiddly widdlies. Haha ye buggars” I can just feel Tolkien’s influence in that line, truly capturing the how dialogue was handled in all of his books.
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lol the snark in this comment is glorious.
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Heh, I like Dwarves in Tolkien universe sound so Scottish.
I love how the elves are perfect at everything, but they still can’t compare to the dwarves ingenuity and teamwork
the high elves (although undeniably snobbish) are experts in hybrid missile infantry (much better than shown here) with good melee, armor and more importantly speed. their only weakness is artillery which coincidentally is the strong suit of dwarves so together they truly make the most formidable fighting force.
@@thegamingwolf5612 I believe all wood elves are high elves but not all high elves are wood elves
@@thegamingwolf5612 the differences are marginal and only appear in their magic and mounts (high have celestial magic and ride horses wood have earth magic and ride stags) so really not much diff in tactics or genetics. Another difference is high elves can summon the eagles but wood elves can summon treekin but that's about it
@@thegamingwolf5612 great catch! But warhammer is 90% borrowed from Tolkien with bits of Micahel Moorcock and Fritz Leiber so imho the lore stands
@@thegamingwolf5612 true probably shouldn't have used that as example but couldn't think of any other differences between the elves
Those dwarven anti-archer balistas are pretty sick. Not only do they negate the archer volley but they can also attack at the same time. And shocking thousands of years old Elvish king is also a nice bonus.
yeah really cool too see. had the elves shook
ah, the old twiddly widdlys!
would be much less useful if the elves were smart and fired at will,not in a concert
Uhh no. Ever heard of sharpnel?
@@lordbry470 No I haven't, but I've heard of shrapnel.
I love how quick to adapt the dwarves are. Without hesitation, after the Goblins announce themselves, they all change direction toward the goblins and set up formation, all while the Elves are trying to make sense of whats going on lol. What a scene.
they weren't unaware of what was happening, rather they were unsure if they were to help the dwarves or not seeing as they were supposed to take the mountain for themselves, that was until king Thranduil changed his mind.
i think those were orcs, not goblins 😅
@@soulfulleightomato, tomato. Orcs and goblins are completely the same in middle earth, the names are interchangeable
@@carlasmith741 its not lol,orcs and uruks are open world warriors while goblins are cave ones
Imagine living for thousands of years and dying by being rammed by a goat with a short hairy person riding it. Glorious.
Wait are they immortal in there youth or just immortal in jeneral
@@Lucifer-we5mc I believe that the elves are immortal as long as they don't get killed. So they have an immortal natural life, but they can be killed by others.
@@tokomo4 even when they're killed, their souls will be reborn into a new bodies
@@Lucifer-we5mc immortals in general in fact, the Elves last as long as the world lasts. But their bodies can be destroyed and they are reborn in Aman, the Blessed Country, from which they can never leave. So it's as if they disappear forever from the world. I do not know how the Dark Elves take the fact of being stuck there but I think they should not be happier.
To be honest of all the "good" races of Tolkien, the godlike beings not included, the dwarves are the one I'd be most afraid of fighting. While individual elves are far superior to dwarves, the dwarves in general are a very physically powerful race that's been forced into a warlike culture and who has the most difficult towns to conquer.
Wanna beat humans? Level their towns and fields.
Wanna beat the elves? Burn that forest.
Wanna beat dwarves? Now.. How the shit do we dismantle a mountain while having an army of tiny roided dudes fighting in cohesive units sallying out. (this especially holds true for the movie version, since the unit formations presented by the dwarves are VASTLY superior to anything both elves and men present. The typical elven formation we see seems to have a focus on mobility and skirmish power, while the dwarven legions seems to have a massive focus on tactical flexibility, to clarify they show technologically advanced field artillery, roman like formations made up of infantry fully armored and with tower shields. An army like that would be nigh on impossible to beat for the typical elven or human armies we've seen in all the movies combined. Bows are typically useless against full armour, especially when said armour is accompanied by tower shields used in unison. All a dwarven army would have to do in a field battle would be to hold their ground and wait for the enemy to run out of arrows, a charge is unlikely due to the combination of their stature, shields and spears and even if anyone were to do so - they'd die.)
Edit: It's heater shields, my bad!
Elves: * Shoot arrows *
Dwarves: *_Uno reverse card_*
@ Teddy Oshirak , Hah
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To me that was the most impressive, had to replay that scene over and over becouse it was so badass and ingenius.
@@corneliuselbourne1044 I did the same
Dain: "THE HORDES OF HELL ARE UPON US!"
Elves: *"Look majestic, everyone. Look majestic!"*
this isn't funny
@@김지섭-q9t it is tho
@@jrbcodes nope
@@김지섭-q9t why the hell are you so triggered?
@@xcalibre436 stfu before I punch you
This 4 min battle is more epic and emotional than whole 2 season of Rings of Power. if you agree Like
Seeing how the dwarves responded quickly to the arrival of the other army shows that they are naturally impulsive. Whilst the elves are more contained they do not move until they are told to do so.
But above all both creatures fought admirably in this scene.
Except until elves jumped over the shield wall
Then there are humans with pitchforks sitting in the corner like ducks.
What i find a bit bizarre is that the Elves must have kept Guard on the Dwarves so how didn’t they see the Crow AT BRIGHT SUNLIGHT and shoot it down
I wouldn't call it impulsive, I'd call it survival mixed in with good training (A phalanx-shield-wall is just about the best thing against charging infantry (and cavalry, too) - unless you have modern machine-guns, artillery, mortars and mines, but if you don't? Well shield wall and if you have time to prepare? Dig some pits with pointy sticks in them, works on Orcs, too :) - the Elfs shouldn't have jumped over (ruins the effectiveness of the wall!)
I like to think the dwarves are more aggressive and reckless because they are mortal, so they are going to die anyway, doesn't matter when. Whereas, the elves are immortal, so their lives are more costly and fragile as they could live forever, making conserving elven lives more of a priority.
God, a had the best childhood! Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Matrix, Batman, Pirates of Caribbean an others 90s-2000s were great!
Proud to say I've also grew up with those masterpieces
All there with you!
@@aduantas But this decade movies are worst apart from Avengers
4/5 of the Pirates movies are terrible.
Meh each generation thinks they had it best. Indiana Jones, Die Hard Lethal Weapon were much better than this.
I like how the Elves and Dwarves were killing each other a few minutes prior to becoming a well defined Orc slaying unit.
True
Good thing this didn't happen in the book
@@sauerkrautjr They were just about to kill each other, but a near miss doesn't count
They're showing us that both Elves and dwarfes understand and know that "The Orcs" are the big and primary threat to middle earth before they're beef.
@@basset6559 Okay, then why did the not go back to killing each other after? It should've stayed like the book where they almost fought but didn't.
Dwarves: Builds the perfect spike wall, ready to crush the enemy.
Elves: F*ck it, jump over it guys...
The dwarves are so brave in this scene when the orcs arrive. No questions asked, they go straight to their death to deal with the Mordor army. God I love them
Would have been two choices. Death standing and fighting, or death kneeling and begging.
I wish we could've gotten to see more of them in combat. Too bad the OT we only see Gimli.
The dwarves wanted the first taste of orc blood and I love it.
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Facts
I like this battle a lot because it shows the dwarves and elves, both studying and preparing for each other´s tactics but also understimating each other. First the elves, thinking that dwarves are only used to close combat battles in the mines, try to overwhelm them with arrows, but the dwarves were prepared and counter them with ballistas that were clearly designed just for that. But then the dwarves charge at the elves with goats, thinking they are only used to fighting at the distance in the woods behind the trees, only to be surprised by the elves´ incredibly organized spear formation, which traps and slaughters the riders.
Glad you noticed that because most comments only notice the dwarves anti-arrow defence and miss the fact the elves countered the dwarves cavalry charge.
If you look closely you can see elven archers shooting at the riders who are jumping over the first line of spearmen
1:50 The Strategy of the Elves where not good at all, they let the Riders in letting most of their army getting slaughtered behind, now the Elves with shield are also surrounded in both direction, with the Riders and the army pinning them, sure they got some of the riders, but what are they gonna do to those who breached through their second defense/offensive line of armies?
The shields purpose is to block and prevent anything from entering, but they decide that its a good idea to just let the riders get behind the Backline
Next scene on them being an Ally
The Elves jumped over the Dwarves who’s position was already good and would kill and stop most orcs from getting past through, the formation they had was already good
But the elves decided to jump out of those defenses through the spears of the dwarves right through the Orcs, now the dwarves will now have a hard time attacking and also avoiding on harming the elves that is infront of them
3:43 The dwarves charging with their shields and spears is very effective, tho the elves are infront of them still, which would or could get them killed or harmed, and also making it harder for the dwarves overall.
The only good thing the Elves did here was shooting a barrage of arrows on the Orc’s, also the Elves seemed to be loosing when the Riders got through the elves defenses.
@@Zenith07 Your second point is true. The Elves jumping over the Dwarven Shield wall was stupid.
But the first point is debatable. While the initial shield wall seems a little unnecessary, and suicidal for the Elves that composed it (I think it was intended as a sort of speed bump), the "pits" their army formed allowed empty spaces in-between that essentially funneled the Dwarven cavalry into kill-zones.
On principle alone, that *will* obliterate any cavalry, as animals will prefer the easiest route and run into the empty space, surrounding themselves and their riders with Elven soldiers on all three sides.
To prove my point: Do you see any more dwarven cavalry after the initial battle other than Dáin's pig? None, because they were obliterated by the Elves.
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After seeing the tactics used by the elves in this, it makes sense they are so few ...
Yes the jumping over an shield wall sucks but the defending against the cav was great
@@elano5386 Their volley fire at the same time was hilarious :P
i mean, no not really, you cant technically put the blame on the elves, when a "mistake" like this happens, the blame should be directed to the directors. Sure the elves are just fictional but its still wrong
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@@elano5386 jumping over the wall wasn't really about tactics, it was about getting to orcs before dwarves. One person controls what elven army is doing, and that person is pissed and insulted at that moment.
I love the way how the archers PERFECTLY does an volley under king Thranduil's command
Elves - Excellent strategists
Dwarves - Excellent craftsmen
Orcs - Numbers, numbers and NUMBERS.
IDK, it seems to me that the dwarves had better strategy in this fight
Also, brute physical power ( For Orcs)
nullified the great phalanx instead of saving the flanks ---> Excellent strategists
Elves - sweet long majestic hairs
Its not an excellent strategy to go in frontofyour phalanx, just saying
Dwarves and Elves: fighting
Orcs: *appear*
Dwarves and Elves: Let’s forget that happened.
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There is no elves and dwarves fight in real movie
when they were going to fight with each others gandalf stoped them...and orcs came..
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Elves and Dwarves may not like eachothers... but they share a absolute hatred of the Orcs.
@@efaristi9737 I was going to comment this too, they both have a common enemy in the orcs.
"shield walls are formed so we can look cool while jumping over them" - Sun Tzu, The Art of War
"Men, Sun Tzu is an idiot. And if I ever see him, I will punch him in his mouth!" Soldier, TF2
Absolutely bullocks!!
Even after the backlash The Hobbit are getting, this is still far better than the 2 seasons of Rings of Power.
This is literally LOTR version of the Prequel Memes.
Elves : fires thousand of arrows
Dwarfs : Destroys all of them
Thranduil : Choked pikachu face
Jarvan IV. Dain : AH AH yO BuGUrS
Pikaaaaa
Pikachu face. my goodness!!!!!??😂😂😂😂😂
That technology right there is pretty useful, I wonder why ancient civilizations in real life dont have that as a way to defend from arrows,
King Well, they had shields😂
I love how quickly the elves and dwarves teamed up against the orcs despite just now starting a battle
What about side by side with a friend?
The orc general is so stupid... He could have waited for both the Dwarves and Elves to destroy each other first then attack...
@@TheGreenB1rd fax
@@TheGreenB1rdthe rules of cool comes first
They just warming up
Bro this scene never ceases to amaze me.
If the orcs had waited like 30 minutes it would have been much easier
XD underrated
@@sen8634 YEZ I remember my dad saying that when we went to watch it
The creepy worms don’t work for the orcs, they just let them pass to the surface.
true but 1 when have the orcks ever ben smart and 2 it whoudnt have en as fun to watch :)
Barley an inconvenience
People are going to complain about cgi and shit, but the sound design of this battle is absolutely off the charts.
Anyone complaining about the CG in this are just being spiteful haters to the core. It may not be quite as spectacular as LOTR, but this is still some of the most complex, well-done CG ever to come out of Hollywood. I watch this and it doesn't even occur to me that it's mostly CG. I'm just too involved in the story and the action. Just like when I watch LOTR, I think of Gollum as a real true character. It's absolutely amazing to me that people are that pretentious and spoiled as to complain about what is essentially some of the best effects they could have done given the scope of the project and timeframe.
@@maxxxmodelz4061 but why CG Dain?
@@Noold Billy Connolly was cast as Dain. A quick search turned up that the reason they did his character in CG is most likely because of Billy's Parkinson's Disease. They did actually do scenes with him in full costume, but his Parkinson's made his performance difficult and cause him to mess up his lines on set. So they had him do a voiceover with lines in front of him in the studio and replaced him with a CG character.
@@Noold Don't forget by the time it came for The Five Armies photography, Billy's Parkinson's had worsened. They really had no choice but to just use his audio and replace his acting for those scenes with the CG double.
@@maxxxmodelz4061 ahhh. makes sense.
Imagine being a hobbit where orcs, goblins, trolls, wargs, men, elves, dwarves, gargoyles, and a giant ring worm all trying to kill each other. Like, wtf my species is back there smoking pot playing with mud and galabanting around
underrated comment 😂
You forgot they play golf too and his neighbors still trying to auction his stuffs
Galavanting
Thanks Theon
@@VannyBranny thank you, my bad. You're beautiful. lol
Dwarves: Set up a strong defensive line so that the elves can reinforce it or provide arrow support and wipe out the orcs
Wise elves with thousands of years of experience: cHaRgE! REEEEEEE
Meanwhile those dead elves and dwarves would be like dafuq we died in vain
They will be ressurected to serve the lich king in another movie
@@oraseus90 Please don't give me hope
@@oraseus90 I thought it would be appropriate to point out that they, in canon, will be resurrected to fight side-by-side against all the evil forces of the world in Dagor Dagorath
The tragedy of war
poctorDepper42 dagor dagorath isint canon
Dwarf: I don't like elf
Elf: I dont like Dwarves
Dwarves and elves: but i despise orc
Das racist
What are them to think of orcs like tha, mate? Some kinda Hitlā? Like, literally Hitlā? Tolkin were so racist, that horrible hetero white man, yuck, the holy trinity of evil> Hetero.and.white.and... Man...
I wanna see orcs making love, im so progressive
... Human:Can I join you? Please :,v
@@destrologando2362 you are a special kind of shat
I should be more progressive then, and rewrite tolkien's work to be more fitting to today's societal estandards. You should read some really gooda articles about Tolkien being racist because his orcs are evil. theyre right there on google. Maybe youll find im shatter than that.
This has got to be the most satisfying and frustrating battle sequence throughout Jackson's adaptations, from a tactical and C2 perspective. The "twirlie-whirlie" countertactic employed by the dwarves was ingenious (artillery whose only doctrinal shortfall would be its niche operational utility), and then - although captured in only a few seconds - the column formations dynamically taken by the elves to "herd" the dwarven cavalry charge into a spear enclosure has me thinking of the Battle of Zama, 202 BC. The way the elves immediately begin to interoperate with the dwarves by forming up into small sections, opening up lanes for the dwarves to maneuver through. The orc's use of the banner to issue battlefield commands is likewise very cool.
BUT THEN THE ELVES PARKOUR OVER THE DAMN PHALANX!! WHY?! Sure- break up the orcs' charge, but that phalanx was perfectly set up for them to hold the orcs in place, while you did LITERALLY ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO! Reposition archers, or the dwarves their twirlie-whirlies, up onto the embankments and provide fire support; maneuver your swords to the wings of the dwarves' centre, so as to secure their flanks; maneuver troops around to the orcs' rear to neutralise the nydus worms (Starcraft 2 reference), cutting off the flow of troops- LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE WOULD PRODUCE A MORE COST EFFECTIVE BATTLEFIELD EFFECT!
I don't think you are taking in consideration the coolness factor for the phalanx jump.
Well, we all know Grandpa Elf, hates Dwarves all his life after his "precious" gets taken away, it's quite expected that a king would order his men to suicide just because of pride, think about it, the Elves probably hesitated to charge because of the fact that their king would send his men to the front of the phalanx, I mean they know a phalanx themselves so it's basically insane for someone to go over the phalanx when they know what it does. It's cool and it has some benefits like the element of surprise but yeah, suicidal and non-realistic but I will repeat it, it's _cool_
Btw that SC2 reference got me lol, you and I have the same thought on those worms everytime I see them after Starcraft
@@gabrielsantiago4929 true, everyone knows coolness > Trueness
I remember seeing that in theater and facepalming. This could have been cool. Elves should have had a few volleys of arrow fire to break the charge. But looks like,e they just sacrificed two lines just for them to die.
Because it's a movie (Major General) I also agree with you though, but 🤣🤣 side characters have no plot armour
For me, one of the best battle scenes of all time.. ingenuity is just a precious gift, we rarely see these days!!
Dwarfs are the best! As soon as they saw the orks, they turned imeediatly towards them and wanted to fight 100vs 1000000
😂😂😂😂😂😂
and continue fighting elves after lol
Phim tên j vậy
They got inspired by sparta style😂
Dwarfs never forget or forgiven. They remember how the orcs slayed the king
Sauron: "You will lead my armies, Azog."
Azog: "As you wish, Great One."
Sauron: "I trust you won't do anything stupid like interrupting the Elves and Dwarves fighting. Watching our foes slay each other is much more fun."
Azog: "...sure."
Oh thats a good one
not sure how he could relay a message to stop the worms bursting through as the fight started like 2 mins before they came
@@jnes624 I fail to see your point.
@@Vikingr4Jesus5919 In short. The timing was just bad. Azog had no idea that the elves and dwarves would be fighting at that exact moment. Obviously tactically it's better to let your enemies kill each other then finish them off. But by the time he would know. His army was to close to call them off to let them kill each other being literally minutes away. Despite they were ungerground in the worm tunnels as well so no way to contact them.
@@jnes624 Exactly. The timing was way to close to arrival for him to react. Much less they were underground with the worms. Unfortunate for azog for a great opportunity.
"Hey, how do you like that! You twiddly widdleys!"
Oh man, classic
I saw ur comment exactly the second the sentence was said in the video ^^
Xxx
It's "the ole twiddly widdely"
@@isaactroy6899 You're both wrong. Hes calling his anti arrows "the ol' twirly whirlys" but with a Scottish accent.
Ye buggers!
Elves = Organization
Dwarves = Craftmanship
Orcs = Numbers
Humans = Plot Armor
Nah.
Humans have willpower... Anyways, always loose.
Elves first see orcs: oh shit this aint good
Dwarves firzt see orcs: oi m8 were gonna bash your fookin 'eads in
Thats why i love them
I declare the as canon
@Asmar Ahsan where did i malign the Elves?
@Asmar Ahsan its a joke dude. You're taking this way too damn seriously
These dwarves are absolute dumbass.
Elves are OCD about their battle formations and I love it.
Who are elves dwarfs and the others ?
@@suryam5957TN
@@suryam5957 the elves are the tall blond people, the dwarves the short hairy people, the orcs are the gray things
@@whiderboss do i need to watch Lord Of The Rings to understand the whole?
@@suryam5957 no
"Never interrupt your enemies when they are making a mistake" Orc: This sign isn't gonna stop me because I can't read.
Seth St fzstfzt
that shield wall, and elves jumping off it, is probably the most beautiful thing ive seen in my life.
What an clever anti-arrow,arrow
Ketchapp agree!
Best part of the fight and when the dwarves charge the elves on goats and the elves just spread out and easily kill the dwarves. Shows off their battle strategies. Wish there were more things like that.
Indeeed
It went like_ nope nope nope nope nope
@@SlabOfSteak but it isn't strategic at all. you could just fire the arrows by turns, the ballistas couldn't handle that.
Thranduil: *loses 1/5 of his army because he launches arrows at dwarves*
Also Thranduil: *lets do that again*
"Again, but this time WITH SPIRIT!"
TBF he then sent his light infantry in front of the heavy infantry shieldwall, so at least he keeps the bad tactics consistent.
Don’t think he lost 1/5 of his army, it really just threw away a couple of archers, and in the next scenes, you can see how the army formation is complete, with no holes of dead soldiers, so it really didn’t kill that much
It never fails to make me cry when I see the elves vaulting over the dwarves shield wall. It’s tactically nonsensical but it’s too epic to be a plot hole. Idk if it’s weird that this makes my eyes leak it’s wholesome af
Nothing makes sense in life 💯
And to be fair to the Elves the Dwarf shield wall would eventually be useless so what’s the point?
@@darthnihilus6839 did you just suggest that a phalanx, coupled with the fact its double layered with heavily armoured forces, *is useless?*
Its the best thing for the situation, and the elves jumping over wasted their lives, and the dwarves once they were forced to break ranks.
@@theteutonking3306 Everything about what the elves did was nonsense, I get that they get endless respawns but they dont fight like a long lived race. They charged in a lose formation wielding only curved swords that were meant for cutting/slashing against armored and shielded Orcs, it was complete suicide... They should have reinforced the Dwarves flanks with their own heavy spear/shield infantry and fired volleys of arrows at the incoming orcs with their archers.
The elves probably didn't want the dwarves to take the credit. Plus it's in character for elves and dwarves to use opposing tactics.
Just the fact that both elves and dwarves ended their fight the moment the orcs entered the battlefield is astonishing. Elves and dwarves may have a never ending hate against each other but when it comes against orcs they just run and face them off with no second thought.
Orc: Are you gonna wait until the battle is over and we can destroy the winner?
Arzog: No I dont think I will
Orcs don't think
I dont think Azog had a telephone to tell the worms to standby ^^
@Alex The Awsome Sending scouts could days, weeks or months. Since they dont take a shortcut like the worms did. Orcs are more known to be fearless and swarming their enemies by their numbers. They are not known to be wise and use their intelligences.
@Alex The Awsome My point is. There's is no reason for Azog to "wait"(From an orc perspective) for the dwarfs and elves to slaughter eachother. Since he want to slaughter both of them. And there's no common sense in orcs. Just obey and kill. And if anyone wins. They will just go in to the mountain. And that will just be harder for the orcs rather than an open field.
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When you suspend your disbelief this is an incredibly enjoyable scene. Then just laugh at what it gets wrong
I watched this scene back when I was a kid and I couldn't think of anything more epic. Now it feels like a one of those cinematic teaser for World of Warcraft. All flashy and good for marketing.
So it's funny bad.
It’s pretty awful compared to the older movies but I won’t lie the elves jumping the dwarf pike wall was pretty cool didn’t make much sense tactical but still cool 😂
Still better than game of thrones season 8
Yes ! thank you preach !
What movie do you find it good and enjoyable and having good strategy?
Jerr y
You can't really complain about GoT's cavalry charge not making sense and simultaneously praise the Elves jumping in front of the shield wall 🤔 Both are prioritizing mindless spectacle over story and logic.
@Franz Styles nabhang
Battle is so real and Beyond Imagination..Really Hardwork
Dwarves are forming a defence line, to let enemy smash on it like Spartans did.
Elves jump over them and go into open fight, instead of waiting them to collapse and jump into their heads.
TaCtIcAl DeCiSiOnS sUmMoNeR.
I know it bugs me too. That was an impressive wall the dwarves had there.
I think their intention was to lessen the blow on the Dwarf defensive line from the Orc onslaught, honestly it would have been smarter if the Elves reinforced the Dwarves as soon as the Dwarves took the impact.
The dwarven testudo was impenetrable 😹😹😹
The elves should have covered the dwarven flanks; which were wide open. The dwarves were asking to be enveloped. The dwarven cavalry should NEVER have been wasted on that head on charge into a spear wall. It is shown that the goats are easily capable of navigating in mountainous terrain. They should have been moved into advantageous positions in the mountains surrounding the elven army. A cavalry that is equally nimble as it has shock value... wasted on a head long charge into a spear wall. Good god. The dwarves had an overwhelming advantage with the number of cavalry they had compared to their own infantry. That was an insanely huge force of heavy shock. God I hate this so much.
Thankfully for everyone though, the elves are significantly weaker in the movies than the books. 10 times better than a human man in every way. 10 times as strong, fast, nimble, intelligent, visioned, etc.. they do not fatigue easily either. They don't even need to sleep. This is not a people you want to fight.. they aren't your typical dainty little forest sprites from every other fantasy.
@@kayfrenly5460 I know right. In this movie are shown worst tactical decisions.
90% talk about GOT
5 % Elves look beautiful
3% CGI
2 % elves vs dwarves
remember when everyone kept shitting on this movie?
goodbye jojo wdym ? That’s definitely in my top 5 ever
Every-time i watch it man so fucking intense and beautiful
1% you
@@yugurtz 87& talk about GOT
5% Elves look beautiful
3% CGI
2% Elves and Dwarves
2% Talks about military tactics
1% Me who wants Battle of Dale, Battle under the trees and battle of Lorien to be adapted into a proper movie.
87& talk about GOT
5% Elves look beautiful
3% CGI
2% Elves and Dwarves
2% Talks about military tactics
1% Me who wants Battle of Dale, Battle under the trees and battle of Lorien to be adapted into a proper movie.
*elves and dwarves fighting*
Orcs: *allow us to introduce ourselves*
Orcs: General Kenobi voice: "Hello there!"
Ourselve's*
NOW THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR ME
Elves and dwarves: SHUT UP CAN’T YOU SEE WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING!! WE WILL FIGHT LATER! .*continues fighting*.
Sonu kathat
The crazy thing is, these are Silvan Elves, known to be the lesser of the elves. They're perfect, but it's insane to think the Noldor were the superior fighters and craftsmen.
* elves and dwarves are fighting *
Orcs : yo wassup
*TEAM UP ACTIVATE*
lmao
more like
Weyt! Holdup!
The orcs should have waited for elves and dwarves killing each other.
Prolly didnt know about the dwarves
They're not that intelligent...
the orcs are full of themselves, they wouldn't wait any shit
Orcs' weakness; patience.
he delete this scene because of what you said
The dwarves and elves could be such a power house if they fought together like this. The scene where the when arrows rip through the trolls and fist wave is amazing with the dwarves following on their little chariots of doom.
3:24 여기 부분이 멋집니다. 피터잭슨 감독이 엘프 군대 병사들을 모두 고등학생들만 배우로 썼다고 했어요. 긴 금발에 매우 아름답고 전술이 좋은 엘프병사들 모습이 감동적입니다.
I was happy that dwarves were getting there representation in this series. We knew mankind was cool, elves are badass, orcs are cool, but now my favorite race(dwarf) are being showcased and I love it.
and then they got cut from the theatrical release lol. But yeah, I feel ya.
@@Elthenar I want more dwarf armies you know. There passion for battle is so cool.
Dwarves my fav too. Specially Gimli
Elves are definitely my fave but I love dwarves, especially their smithing and crafting abilities.
Aloha Coach if only they made a movie about the war of Dwarves and Orcs or the war in the North
Girl's locker room: omg ashley's annoying
Boy's locker room:
Amen
true but stfu up with the locker room
itsSean no
Not even relevant anymore
ahahha c'est réel
You can tell whoever wrote this scene played way too much total war
well he must be bad then
What kind of TW player charges his cavalry straight into a wall of pikes?
@@freyrds8870 me during my first gameplay
@@freyrds8870 MMMEEEE
It’s called battle of the five armies. What do you expect?🤓
Giving props to the people behind this and have subsequently given us this masterpiece. The production, the scoring, and just the overall layout is more than enough to immerse you in their world.
No.
@mauriziobranthese This trilogy was hot garbage compared to the original LOTR.
The dwarven rams not hitting any elves in their charge, and being boxed in an elven formation is actually a tactic used by Alexander the great in the battle of Gaugamela. Alexander's troops responded to the enemie's scythed chariots by opening up their ranks, creating alleys through which the chariots passed harmlessly, and finished them off when they were completely encircled.
The romans also did this, against the Carthagenian elephants at the battle of Zama.
So elves were going to beat dwarves had Azog not arrived.
@@mrbencroft8251 I think the desperate worried expressions of Thorin and Co are quite telling.
But the dwarves didn't seem to have much going for them aside from their hax artilleries. Goat riders are weak. Many got killed don their way by elven arrows. Infantry crashed into Elven shieldwall. Only Dáin himself seemed elite.
@@mrbencroft8251 I watched it on 0.25x speed and it looks pretty confusing. Like a bunch of elves are thrown back. But some stood their ground. It looks like they weren't hurt too badly.
Shit CGI is shit.
And we're not even talking about the fact those projectiles couldn't have possibly hit where they did. They disposed the arrows so they were moving in their direction, which means they should have hit the frontline archers. How the hell did they hit the back rows?!
Ws thinking the same thing
Another thing, the Elves strategic defense against the Dwarves was really nice and made a lot more sense than when they just went ape wild and just jumped right in front of a shield wall against enemies charging at full speed.
High Elves excel as warriors, having trained in martial disciplines for the equivalent of many men's lifetimes with a particular focus on hybrid missile infantry units and classical bow/sword combat so the lore holds well here despite a seemingly foolish maneuver
@@jacksevert3099 No it doesn't you idiot lmao, you know that's bullshit
@@veritasabsoluta4285 lol yea, I tried
@@veritasabsoluta4285 ideally you would have the Dwarven spearmen hold the line below chest level allowing the taller Elven archers to snipe neck shots all day from the back
“The hordes of hell are upon us, fight to the death!” Man, for little guys, those dwarves sure had massive balls.
bigger than themselves
When they see the real enemies, no speech needed, only action. Bunch of serious wise mans
Why does this comment section contain the most experts of strategy
unfortunately most of em right tho
Most of them complain about Azog dumb strategy to interrupt enemy while they fight,but for real, Azog is a villain character inside this story and he is making mistake, i dont see the point of complaining about his strategy, cant we just enjoy the film and seeing villain making a mistake, just that evil character is making mistake to create a chance for good character, its pretty normal in film, even real life people make mistake, why do they even bother, right whatever maybe they just thought they are watching a streamer making mistake in game then so eager to point it out
The experts here think elves and dwarves who hate each other and have never fought as allies should know how to coordinate perfectly.
They also think the berserking bloodthirsty monsters who even hurt and kill themselves in their rage should have the cool collected rationales of pro chess players.
Pls movies send me
@@lotrlmao1648 There's no difference between someone named Joe complaining about a stupid strategy and you whining about Joe giving his opinion.
The elves are aesthetically pleasing to watch. Long hair, capes, cool armor, disciplined, in sync and skilled …they’re like Batman with big ears
“Come forth my Armies” ! Just that scene and the sound of the horn gives me goosebumps! Best movie no cap!
Pl)
Kirletici Azog 🔥
THIS IS THE MOST EPIC WAR FIGHT I HAVE EVER WATCHED
The dwarfs defense against arrows and the Elves coming in last minute to battle against Orcs was amazing.
it was extremaly stupid and contradicts the idea of the phalanx.
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@@athalbereht9022 Whatever. Yall Tolkien fans are even worst than SW stans 😂
No the elves jumping over a phalanx as orca charge was one of the most retarded things ever created cinematicly
@@mariadoloresgasparino6085 Sh*t take, you probably watch marvel movies on repeat
I'll always love that moment when the dwarves and the elves stand together
I know right
2:50 idk why but the way the elves regroup into squads while dwarves rushes to form a shield wall is just beautiful.
aww man I hope there were others who noticed this. It was a small but nice detail.
Indeed.
I love their fighting style.
Гномы красавцы, техника, тактика, продуманно, эльфы тоже на уровне! Каждый в своём красавчик! Гномы молодцы, организовано ничего не боятся!
There are a lot of moments I enjoyed throughout the Hobbit movies but the moment @3:55 where the elves fire a volley of arrow taking out a big threat in aiding the dwarves is really cool to see because regardless of what issues both sides where dealing with it shows that the 2 sides can easily fight together like one
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"How do you like that, the old twirley-whirlies? Ha, ha, you buggers!" Best line in war, EVER. I also love how at 2:47 the elves and dwarves don't care to attack eachother and just form an allience and work together.
That’s line is not only an affront to the entire world of middle earth, but also one of the worst pieces of battle dialogue I’ve ever heard in a movie. Jesus Christ Tolkien is rolling in his grave.
Yeah nothing sounds more awesome than "twirly-whirly", if someone uttered the word bugger at me during war I'd freeze in place, that person must be death incarnate to use such language, incredible.
People like you are the reason evil exists.
Commander: what would be a good Calvary choice?
Iron foot: large mountain goats will do.
Yeah, they would indeed. If you could find goats big enough. They have heavily armed and armored heads and are more naturally inclined to charge than any horse that ever lived.
It makes sense that dwarves would have goats though. Dwarves live in mountains. Goats live in and on mountains.
@@Elthenar And Dwarfes have a hard time going on a horse. But i freaking love Ironfoots Boar. Thats Awesome.
@@daunleu Thats why Ironfoot is riding his boar, not your mom 😂
@@shadowhunter_ray_9640 I spit out my drink xD
@@aeric257 you're welcome 😂
3:27 im crying .. the best scene of all time
"Hey, how you like that, the ol twirly whirlies. Haha you bugger." The best line.
Ikr LMAO
Hilarious
Twiddly widdlies he says. 🙄
@@jonathan2755 doesn’t sound as good
@@sabre6464 how can it not sound as good? It wouldn't as been as funny if that's not what he said.
“How do you like that you old twirley wirlies” best line said during any war you can’t debate that
I prefer Winston Churchill shouting "Fuck off ya Krauts!" from a fishing boat during the Dunkirk evacuation
Say what you want about the hobbit movies, you have to admit they have some beautiful shots, good world building, the style of armor that all the armies use, and epic battles. Truly underrated movies.
Definitely
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@@kaputt_jay3873 It just looks fake
CGI is capable of some spectacular visuals. But it still doesn't look half as good as the original trilogy that knew when to rely on CGI and when not to. Here its just overused and garish. As for world building... I don't know what part of this is good world building.
@@simonphoenix3789 at least this battle is more fun to watch than the lotr battles i find them boring when rewatching repeatedly
3: 25 scene is the best. I cant . Like the elves just jump and help them . Its giving shivers to me. ❤ Really good films .
Nowhere in the literature of Tolkien does he write: ‘ How do ye like that ? The old twiddly widdelues, hey hey you buggers ‘
Barry4B still funny though
I mean he obviously had fun playing his part
Well, his "Hobbit" book was really lame regarding the ending. It was basically... "Bilbo hit by rocc".
Beowulf cant rlly write a battle like this in a book. “ Dwarves charged onto elves riding goats but they had those spinny things and some died but then orcs showed up...”
So what, we all know Hobbit books were awful. If they were went for books movies would've been boring. I loved almost all the changes Jackson did. Hobbit movies are obviously not as good as LOTR, but they don't deserve all the hate they get
@@InternalLocuss I'm no writer, but you can definitely write this scene into a novel. and it would work out just fine...
Sucks to be an immortal that was killed in The first melee, for nothing really.
Well even if elves die they do reincarnate in the undying lands so
@@westley5283 yeah but the wait time is like a thousand years 🤦♂️💀
@@aengusog3415 oof
That part of elves always irritates me
@@westley5283 they reincarnate only if that certain Valar allows it, if not they remain in something like His dimension or how to explain it. There was an elv that died reincarnated and returned to fight in middle earth
Movie director was like: "We'll let the two factions showing impressive racial traits and tactics when they were fighting each other but when the Orcs come we'll throw those tactics out of the window and let them break formation and get into melee fight just to show how desperate the situation is.
Worst part was the elves jumping the perfectly solid dwarven shield wall X( I would have loved to see that wall and the orcs clash, while the elves stay behind and fire volleys
Ian Sin Ikr? No matter which fantasy novel you’ve read they always portrayed elves as highly skilled archers and in the first trilogy even non-readers could tell Legolas and the elves were expert archers. But nope they had to switch to melee with larger, more numerous Orcs because, why not.
@@iansin7722 Dwarven phalanx was shallow and a dwarf just has too little mass to hold an Orc tide. The elves diffusing the charge was actually a better move for their combined arms otherwise the dwarves would have been broken through surrounded and cut off. Once the elves and dwarves are combined then the best move is engaging the enemy main force in a defensive melee so Elven arches can have a field day.
@@SolusLupi The Dwarf phalanx didn't span the valley and in real life would have been easily flanked. The correct strategy would have been for the Elves to complete the Dwarf phalanx or help them form a square, whilst their artillery and archers fired from behind. The Elves jumping into melee over the phalanx was not a good move, as now they're caught between a numerically superior enemy with a wall of spears at their back. Whilst Elves are vastly superior swordsmen pound for pound against Orcs, the sheer mass of the charge would have pushed them into their allies spears. Against a numerical disadvantage, you need smart strategy to win. This was not that. This also isn't how the battle was written in the novel.
1:39
Gotta love the elves elegant yet neat looking tactical flair in formation.
I mean, the whole idea with creating pockets like that to funnel in chariots was practically invented by Alexander the Great and used in great effect at the battle of Gaugamela.
This movie really helped showcase the elegant, accurate and skillful tactical prowess of the elven warmachine at display, but also gave us the rough, innovative and robust flair of the dwarfs. Two very distinct methods of warfare that really fits the two races perfectly.